The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 135 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: [uuc] Re: E30 brakes E36M3 Brake Problem Re: E36M3 Brake Problem Re: E36M3 Brake Problem Re: E36M3 Brake Problem Re: Are you in the 2% minority? (NO CAR CONTENT) Re: Are you in the 2% minority? (NO CAR CONTENT) Re: [uuc] Re: Are you in the 2% minority? (NO CAR CONTENT) <E36> gas gauge no workie Re: Are you in the 2% minority? (NO CAR CONTENT) Re: Are you in the 2% minority? (NO CAR CONTENT) Re: Are you in the 2% minority? (NO CAR CONTENT) Re: E30 brakes Tight seatbelts Re: Tight seatbelts
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:44:30 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: E30 brakes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've tried factory pads, metal masters & Panther Pluses. All about the same as far as initial feel, but the Panthers are the best modulating. The pedal isn't mushy when it picks up. When the pedal does take up, it'll near throw one through the windshield & has good modulation. It's just that this "pick up" point is down near the accel pedal, & I'd like it to be as soon as the pedal is pressed & then get progessively harder to the full braking. Thanks, Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marco Romani > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 12:40 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: [UUC] E30 brakes > > > Lee, > > If you change pad material does it still feel the same way? > You'd be amazed > at what different pads will do to pedal feel. When I > switched to Hawk pads > on my truck, the typical GM stock mush feel became about 80% > of the M3's. > > Marco > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robinson, Lee > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 8:37 AM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: [uuc] Re: [UUC] E30 brakes > > > > Lee, > > > > Are you using the pedal pumping method to bleed your brakes? > > Try a pressure > > You name it, I tried it. That car has about 10+ L of fluid > through it. 4L > just since the M/C was replaced. > > > bleeder. You may have damaged your master cylinder (see my > > previous post). > > New 25mm master cylinder. Less than 1000 miles. Calipers have been > rebuilt, lines been replaced with stainless, pads & rotors > are new. Same > thing. > > > I can't imagine how you continually feel a crappy brake pedal > > in a BMW M3. > > I used to think that too. The pedal just has absolutely no > initial bite & > doesn't seem to pick up until it's almost in line with the > accel pedal. > Like I said, people who drive other kinds of cars tell me I'm crazy. > > > A long shot would be the booster, I suppose. Or a vacuum > line to the > > booster. Or poor pad selection? > > I replaced all the booster fittings & vacuum lines. Also replaced the > booster filter. The booster looked very good inside & the > diaphram was nice > & supple. I can't imagine the booster failing & actually give more > boost--never heard of something failing & preforming better than it's > supposed too. :) I would think that if I had a booster > problem, the pedal > would start getting more to my preference. > > > > > In an E30 325i, the 25mm master cylinder is too much. I like > > it, but it > > makes the brake pedal extremely difficult to modulate. Even > > I can't handle > > it well under autocross conditions (where you usually have to > > stomp on the > > pedal, as opposed to the track where you can plan the braking > > and be a bit > > more gradual in application). I would be surprised if you > > would not notice > > a significant difference with the 25mm master cylinder on a properly > > functioning M3. > > I was suspicious as well. Basically, it feels exactly the > same as the 150k > master I removed, except that the pedal activates a little > higher. Like I > said, the main benefit is that it's less than half the cost > of the factory > M3 M/C--that alone will cause me to recommend it. > > I was initially suspicious that there's air or bad fluid > trapped in the ABS > unit. However, since there's not way to really get that out > (even Chebbies > have bleed screws on the ABS), there's not much I can do. > There's something > up somewhere as the fluid keeps taking on a shade of blue > (presumably from > the previous fluid--new fluid is clear). However, after > activating the ABS > prolly 100x under track conditions, I'm kind thinking this > isn't the case. > > > > > Stan > > Thanks, > Lee > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:53:44 -0700 From: "J. Ochi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: E36M3 Brake Problem Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Had something weird happen at the autocross yesterday. Went out on a run, hit the brakes on the 95M3 that I was driving, and they worked fine at the first braking point, worked fine at the second braking point. Then, gassed the car through a sweeper and a full-throttle offset, hit the brakes, and the pedal engaged higher than normal, was harder than normal, didn't sink, but the car wouldn't slow down. Pushed harder and the car finally slowed. I'm not a left-foot braker, so wasn't dragging the brakes or anything before the problem occurred. Then, the brakes worked fine for the rest of the run. ABS light wasn't lit, ABS didn't engage anywhere on the run. Went out for my next run, and exactly the same thing happened at the same place on course. Car has fresh brake fluid (ATE Super Blue), and has been bled fairly recently. The fronts do have a Porsche big brake kit installed. There are no signs of fluid leaking - no drips, reservoir is still filled to the line. Haven't experienced this problem before with this car - brakes have been fine up to now. Pads (Ferodo 2500 if I remember correctly) were not overheated, rotors weren't blue. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Jim Ochi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:14:25 -0700 From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36M3 Brake Problem Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 12:53:44PM -0700, J. Ochi wrote: > Had something weird happen at the autocross yesterday. Went out on a > run, hit the brakes on the 95M3 that I was driving, and they worked > fine at the first braking point, worked fine at the second braking > point. Then, gassed the car through a sweeper and a full-throttle > offset, hit the brakes, and the pedal engaged higher than normal, was > harder than normal, didn't sink, but the car wouldn't slow down. > Pushed harder and the car finally slowed. Sounds like you lost vacuum assist momentarily. Dunno why that would be, since there is usually plenty of vacuum available as soon as the throttle plate snaps shut. Just thinking out loud. (My first autocross ride ever was in Jim's car. The added excitement of brake failure is not needed, I assure you. :) -- "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:25:06 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E36M3 Brake Problem Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How high were the rpms? Was your foot also on the gas? I ask because the booster assist decreases with rising rpm. FWD boys (who generally go around corners with one foot on the brake & one on the gas) generally suffer from this as well. In any case, this sounds like you didn't have enough booster assist. Could be that the car in that particular angle or turn or body roll works a hose loose, but I'd bet you were up near the redline of that thing. ;) Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of J. Ochi > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 15:54 > To: UUC Digest > Subject: [UUC] E36M3 Brake Problem > > > Had something weird happen at the autocross yesterday. Went > out on a run, > hit the brakes on the 95M3 that I was driving, and they > worked fine at the > first braking point, worked fine at the second braking point. > Then, gassed > the car through a sweeper and a full-throttle offset, hit the > brakes, and > the pedal engaged higher than normal, was harder than normal, > didn't sink, > but the car wouldn't slow down. Pushed harder and the car finally > slowed. I'm not a left-foot braker, so wasn't dragging the brakes or > anything before the problem occurred. Then, the brakes > worked fine for > the rest of the run. ABS light wasn't lit, ABS didn't engage > anywhere on > the run. Went out for my next run, and exactly the same > thing happened at > the same place on course. > > Car has fresh brake fluid (ATE Super Blue), and has been bled fairly > recently. The fronts do have a Porsche big brake kit > installed. There are > no signs of fluid leaking - no drips, reservoir is still > filled to the > line. Haven't experienced this problem before with this car > - brakes have > been fine up to now. Pads (Ferodo 2500 if I remember > correctly) were not > overheated, rotors weren't blue. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks in advance, > Jim Ochi > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:04:06 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E36M3 Brake Problem Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The booster captures vacuum. You should have one or two brake applications even at full throttle. The moment you let up, full boost comes back. If you left foot brake and modulate at full throttle you will have the problem you describe. Gary Derian > How high were the rpms? Was your foot also on the gas? > > I ask because the booster assist decreases with rising rpm. FWD boys (who > generally go around corners with one foot on the brake & one on the gas) > generally suffer from this as well. > > In any case, this sounds like you didn't have enough booster assist. Could > be that the car in that particular angle or turn or body roll works a hose > loose, but I'd bet you were up near the redline of that thing. ;) > > Lee > > > > Had something weird happen at the autocross yesterday. Went > > out on a run, > > hit the brakes on the 95M3 that I was driving, and they > > worked fine at the > > first braking point, worked fine at the second braking point. > > Then, gassed > > the car through a sweeper and a full-throttle offset, hit the > > brakes, and > > the pedal engaged higher than normal, was harder than normal, > > didn't sink, > > but the car wouldn't slow down. Pushed harder and the car finally > > slowed. I'm not a left-foot braker, so wasn't dragging the brakes or > > anything before the problem occurred. Then, the brakes > > worked fine for > > the rest of the run. ABS light wasn't lit, ABS didn't engage > > anywhere on > > the run. Went out for my next run, and exactly the same > > thing happened at > > the same place on course. > > > > Car has fresh brake fluid (ATE Super Blue), and has been bled fairly > > recently. The fronts do have a Porsche big brake kit > > installed. There are > > no signs of fluid leaking - no drips, reservoir is still > > filled to the > > line. Haven't experienced this problem before with this car > > - brakes have > > been fine up to now. Pads (Ferodo 2500 if I remember > > correctly) were not > > overheated, rotors weren't blue. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Jim Ochi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:10:32 -0400 From: Kathy Lyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: BMWUUCDigest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Are you in the 2% minority? (NO CAR CONTENT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2% - yellow hammer. -- Kathryn M. Lyle, CPA, CVA Lyle & Associates CPA www.lylecpa.com Creating Business Value ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:37:06 -0700 From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Are you in the 2% minority? (NO CAR CONTENT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm abnormal. But I didn't need your test to tell me that. Scott Miller Blue hammer, hammer blue, whatever GGC BMW CCA >Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:06:31 -0400 >From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Are you in the 2% minority? (NO CAR CONTENT) >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >I usually don't pass these on, but, dang, I got totally snagged. >FASCINATING. I can't believe how this works. I'm in the 98%. You? > >vty, > >--Dennis > <test snipped< > >>You have just thought about a red hammer, haven't you? >> >>If this is not your answer, you are among 2% of people who have a different >>if not abnormal mind. <snip> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:17:57 -0400 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Are you in the 2% minority? (NO CAR CONTENT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Maxwell said silver hammer... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (Beatles reference? anyone?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:22:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: <E36> gas gauge no workie Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dumb fuel guage is "stuck". I recall there's a fix for this... something about pulling a fuse? Any tips greatly appreciated. - Kevin Jay '96 328is, red/tan, usual H&R/Bilstein setup, no fuel guage ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:31:37 -0400 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Are you in the 2% minority? (NO CAR CONTENT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, so much for that theory. 1 out of 6 answers (I was a blue wrench) was in the "98%". And that is not counting Gary, who I know came up with "hot pink OBD II scan tool", but refused to admit it! Stan > I'm in the 98%. You? > > Luckily I thought red wrench. > > opposite order: "wrench red." > > "hammer; blue" > > I thought of my swivel 3/8ths ratchet would look with a plastic dipped > blue handle > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:43:09 -0700 From: Kurt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Are you in the 2% minority? (NO CAR CONTENT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My response was yellow DeWalt cordless impact. I wonder what that says about me... Kurt Stan Jackson Jr. wrote: >Well, so much for that theory. 1 out of 6 answers (I was a blue wrench) was >in the "98%". >And that is not counting Gary, who I know came up with "hot pink OBD II scan >tool", but refused to admit it! > >Stan > > > > >>I'm in the 98%. You? >> >>Luckily I thought red wrench. >> >>opposite order: "wrench red." >> >>"hammer; blue" >> >>I thought of my swivel 3/8ths ratchet would look with a plastic dipped >>blue handle >> >> >> > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:29:04 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Are you in the 2% minority? (NO CAR CONTENT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Haha. Actually I thought of a gray crescent wrench. None of my tools are hot pink <grin>. Most of them are rocks and sticks with some string thrown in here and there. Gary Derian > Well, so much for that theory. 1 out of 6 answers (I was a blue wrench) was > in the "98%". > And that is not counting Gary, who I know came up with "hot pink OBD II scan > tool", but refused to admit it! > > Stan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:41:04 -0400 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E30 brakes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wow, Lee. It sounds like you have gone through just about everything. I would second Marco's idea of trying different pads, but I suspect that you may already have. There is supposedly a way to cycle the ABS pump by using the proper BMW electronic tool, so you might try that. Stan > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:36:33 -0400 > From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Lee, > > > > Are you using the pedal pumping method to bleed your brakes? > > Try a pressure > > You name it, I tried it. That car has about 10+ L of fluid through it. 4L > just since the M/C was replaced. > > > bleeder. You may have damaged your master cylinder (see my > > previous post). > > New 25mm master cylinder. Less than 1000 miles. Calipers have been > rebuilt, lines been replaced with stainless, pads & rotors are new. Same > thing. > > > I can't imagine how you continually feel a crappy brake pedal > > in a BMW M3. > > I used to think that too. The pedal just has absolutely no initial bite & > doesn't seem to pick up until it's almost in line with the accel pedal. > Like I said, people who drive other kinds of cars tell me I'm crazy. > > > A long shot would be the booster, I suppose. Or a vacuum line to the > > booster. Or poor pad selection? > > I replaced all the booster fittings & vacuum lines. Also replaced the > booster filter. The booster looked very good inside & the diaphram was nice > & supple. I can't imagine the booster failing & actually give more > boost--never heard of something failing & preforming better than it's > supposed too. :) I would think that if I had a booster problem, the pedal > would start getting more to my preference. > > > > > In an E30 325i, the 25mm master cylinder is too much. I like > > it, but it > > makes the brake pedal extremely difficult to modulate. Even > > I can't handle > > it well under autocross conditions (where you usually have to > > stomp on the > > pedal, as opposed to the track where you can plan the braking > > and be a bit > > more gradual in application). I would be surprised if you > > would not notice > > a significant difference with the 25mm master cylinder on a properly > > functioning M3. > > I was suspicious as well. Basically, it feels exactly the same as the 150k > master I removed, except that the pedal activates a little higher. Like I > said, the main benefit is that it's less than half the cost of the factory > M3 M/C--that alone will cause me to recommend it. > > I was initially suspicious that there's air or bad fluid trapped in the ABS > unit. However, since there's not way to really get that out (even Chebbies > have bleed screws on the ABS), there's not much I can do. There's something > up somewhere as the fluid keeps taking on a shade of blue (presumably from > the previous fluid--new fluid is clear). However, after activating the ABS > prolly 100x under track conditions, I'm kind thinking this isn't the case. > > > > > Stan > > Thanks, > Lee > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:52:57 -0400 From: "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Tight seatbelts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Has anyone tried the CG Lock yet? I got a free sample in the mail a few weeks back. Haven't tried it yet. It's a clamping mechanism that goes upstream of the buckle, locking the lap part of the belt. You still have the inertia reel operational, so it's not as effective as cinching yourself in by moving the seat, except that this can't be unintentionally released, whereas the cinching method can. It's removable, but designed to be disabled without removing, so you can retain normal belt use when you don't need it. See http://www.cg-lock.com/home.htm I have no affiliation, blah blah. Brett Anderson KMS --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:17:20 -0400 From: "Bill Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Tight seatbelts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The guy who invented and brought this thing to market lives down the street from me. I've still got one of his early prototypes that I tested for him in a corner of my tool box. They are amazing, handy and they work. He is an independent marketing consultant who went the whole nine yards with this before he was done, including crash testing in a lab in Detroit. Bill Matthews Hockessin DE 00 M Geeze some Volvos other cars > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brett Anderson > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 7:53 PM > To: UUC Digest > Subject: [UUC] Tight seatbelts > > > Has anyone tried the CG Lock yet? > > I got a free sample in the mail a few weeks back. Haven't tried it yet. > > It's a clamping mechanism that goes upstream of the buckle, > locking the lap > part of the belt. You still have the inertia reel operational, > so it's not > as effective as cinching yourself in by moving the seat, except that this > can't be unintentionally released, whereas the cinching method can. > > It's removable, but designed to be disabled without removing, so you can > retain normal belt use when you don't need it. > > See http://www.cg-lock.com/home.htm > > I have no affiliation, blah blah. > > > Brett Anderson > KMS > > > ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
