The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 128 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: <e46> M3/SMG where's the bleed valve? Re: <e46> M3/SMG where's the bleed valve? Re: <e46> M3/SMG where's the bleed valve? E34 suspensions Re: <E34> 92 535i/5sp suspension upgrade Re: E30 brakes E34 5xx Suspension Recommendations Re: E34 5xx Suspension Recommendations Re: E34 5xx Suspension Recommendations 1984 318i E30 - Paint Shop Shop in Long Beach CA Re: 1 series, hatches, Mini - slightly outdated Re: 1 series, hatches, Mini - slightly outdated Re: [bmwuucdigest] obd2 scan tool & dyno Re: [bmwuucdigest] obd2 scan tool & dyno
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:10:46 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <e46> M3/SMG where's the bleed valve? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Does that system even use brake fluid for the clutch? My guess is it uses the same hydraulic oil as does the shift actuators. Gary Derian > On my E36 I always bled the clutch when I replace the brake fluid. I had > my M3/SMG in for its 1200 mile service; while the transmission cover was > off the techs and I looked for the bleed screw--none found. The tech > said he wasn't sure but thought maybe this transmission is > self-bleeding. Anyone know? > > Has anyone bled a SMG clutch? Madrussian's site has a great picture of > the 6MT bleed valve--it's not in the same place on the SMG! > > Thanks, > > Ken Koch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:28:13 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <e46> M3/SMG where's the bleed valve? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On my E36 I always bled the clutch when I replace the brake > fluid. I had > my M3/SMG in for its 1200 mile service; while the > transmission cover was > off the techs and I looked for the bleed screw--none found. The tech > said he wasn't sure but thought maybe this transmission is > self-bleeding. Anyone know? Self-bleeding clutch, eh? Remind me not to get behind anymore SMG cars at the track..... Maybe the clutch fluid is lifetime like the tranny fluid in the autos. > > Thanks, > > Ken Koch Lee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 14:16:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <e46> M3/SMG where's the bleed valve? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On my E36 I always bled the clutch when I replace the brake > > fluid. I had > > my M3/SMG in for its 1200 mile service; while the > > transmission cover was > > off the techs and I looked for the bleed screw--none found. The tech > > said he wasn't sure but thought maybe this transmission is > > self-bleeding. Anyone know? > > Self-bleeding clutch, eh? Remind me not to get behind anymore SMG cars at > the track..... No worries mate, you won't be behind them long as they pull away from you. ;-) Later, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:56:05 -0700 From: "Michael Andre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Bmwuucdigest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: E34 suspensions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This is a frequent topic of discussion among E34 M5 owners looking to avoid repairing/replacing the load leveling system. I have driven an E34 with BavAuto springs (Mike Holbrook's old car). They are not very impressive and probably just won't work at all with Bilstein HDs. They lowered the car A LOT more than the stock or even M-Tech springs and bottomed out like crazy on Bilstein sports let alone HDs. The car ended up lower than an E34 M5 with almost no front-end travel available. Swapping in Konis helped avoid the bottoming but the BavAuto springs still seemed too soft to me for such a low ride height. Recently Mike H installed the Sachs/Boge kit in his E34 535. Nice package, good price, worked right the first time. The springs are made by Eibach (pictures of these springs compared to Eibach and BavAuto are available at the E34 M5 Yahoo group). Based on the coils and wire diameters plus road behavior, they seem to be slightly softer than the Eibach, slightly stiffer than the BavAuto, much less stiff than H&R. The rear Sachs springs are very similar to Eibach with progressive coils. As it turns out for just a few dollars more, you could maybe put together an Eibach/Bilstein sport package (you must cut-down the bump stops or have Bilstein do it in San Diego when you order them) or go all out for Koni$. This is the sort of mod I don't like doing more than once on a daily driver. Mike A ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:00:59 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E34> 92 535i/5sp suspension upgrade Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My own preference is factory sport springs with Boge shocks. With 17" wheels, the ride is comfortable, but a bit firmer than stock. The factory sport springs lowered the car by approx. 3/4". I also have a 25mm Dinan adjustable front sway bar & 20mm M5T nurburgring-pkg rear sway bar that help keep the car flat. Search the archives at bimmer.info. There's a lot of discussion about the Sach kit vs. M-tech vs. BavAuto. Drew Zacharda '94 6-speed Touring '84 E28 Coupe In a message dated 4/8/2004 4:07:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:38:35 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jonathan Brush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: <E34> 92 535i/5sp suspension upgrade > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Gruppe: > Looking to upgrade suspension on my E34, to a slightly > lower ride height and commensurate firmness. Not too > low or harsh, this is my daily driver. I've been > thinking of a Sachs Sporting Kit but Bekkers doesn't > list it on their website. Trying to avoid the prices > on the Dinan stuff. Any recent advice or experience? > Thanks, > Jon<-- in pothole heaven, Boston, MA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 14:20:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E30 brakes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm dealing with this on my E30 M3. I've basically come to the conclusion > that, while very powerful, E30 brakes just don't provide very good initial > feel. I even upgraded to the mythical 25mm M/C (don't bother, it's not > worth the effort, except it's cheaper than the stock unit). Still, the > pedal acts excatly like yours. I can't speak directly for the crappy brakes on your E30 M3 ;-) but on my 1990 325is, it has the best brake pedal feel I have ever noted with an all stock system except for rebuilt calipers, Fischer SS lines (Steve D), and Ferrodo street pads. The feel is very immediate and firm, no mushiness at all. My 1995 M3 is nearly as good with a completely stock system (calipers to be rebuilt soon though when I do the Fischer SS lines). Later, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:37:07 -0700 From: Michael Holbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: E34 5xx Suspension Recommendations Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I had a 530 with BavAuto springs and Bilstein sports. Front ride was terrible. Every imperfection bottomed the car out. I have a hard time imagining why Bilstein sells their sport shock with this inherent problem. Ask around and you will find that almost everyone has had to trim their bumpstops to make them work. They should work from their factory. I pulled the Bilsteins and put in adjustable Koni Sports. Perfect ride after that. I was also running M5 swaybars 25mm front / 18mm rear. No more bottoming out and the ride was very compliant. My new to me 535im has the Sachs kit springs (made by Eibach) and rear shocks with Koni adjustable sports in the front. M5 front sway bar 25mm and Nurb. touring rear bar 20mm. It is firm. Firmer than the BavAuto. It was not quite as firm with the Sachs front shocks and without the M5+ bars. Call BMA for a good price on the Sachs kit. I think it is around $650. Put the kit in first before you do sway bars. Might be too much for your wife to get used to all at once! Just my .02 cents. Mike Holbrook Spring Valley, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 22:17:20 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E34 5xx Suspension Recommendations Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Exactly, I had the same problem with Bilstein sports. The travel limit is due to the internal bump stop, not a mechanical metal to metal limit, so cutting the stop gives one all the travel needed. Gary Derian > I had a 530 with BavAuto springs and Bilstein sports. Front ride was > terrible. Every imperfection bottomed the car out. I have a hard time > imagining why Bilstein sells their sport shock with this inherent > problem. Ask around and you will find that almost everyone has had to trim > their bumpstops to make them work. They should work from their factory. I > pulled the Bilsteins and put in adjustable Koni Sports. Perfect ride > after that. I was also running M5 swaybars 25mm front / 18mm rear. No > more bottoming out and the ride was very compliant. > > My new to me 535im has the Sachs kit springs (made by Eibach) and rear > shocks with Koni adjustable sports in the front. M5 front sway bar 25mm > and Nurb. touring rear bar 20mm. It is firm. Firmer than the BavAuto. It > was not quite as firm with the Sachs front shocks and without the M5+ bars. > > Call BMA for a good price on the Sachs kit. I think it is around > $650. Put the kit in first before you do sway bars. Might be too much for > your wife to get used to all at once! > > Just my .02 cents. > > Mike Holbrook > Spring Valley, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 23:22:51 -0400 From: "Eric Nghiem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E34 5xx Suspension Recommendations Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Now, the bilstien have 3 models, the touring(cheap) sports(mid priced) and the HD. Has anyone tried the touring? They go for $299 for a set of 4 from shox.com where the sport and hd is $429. i'm not really looking to autocross or race, just an occasional spirited drive. I was leaning toward the touring and a set of bav auto or eibach springs Any ideas? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] E34 5xx Suspension Recommendations > Exactly, I had the same problem with Bilstein sports. The travel limit is > due to the internal bump stop, not a mechanical metal to metal limit, so > cutting the stop gives one all the travel needed. > > Gary Derian > > > > I had a 530 with BavAuto springs and Bilstein sports. Front ride was > > terrible. Every imperfection bottomed the car out. I have a hard time > > imagining why Bilstein sells their sport shock with this inherent > > problem. Ask around and you will find that almost everyone has had to > trim > > their bumpstops to make them work. They should work from their factory. > I > > pulled the Bilsteins and put in adjustable Koni Sports. Perfect ride > > after that. I was also running M5 swaybars 25mm front / 18mm rear. No > > more bottoming out and the ride was very compliant. > > > > My new to me 535im has the Sachs kit springs (made by Eibach) and rear > > shocks with Koni adjustable sports in the front. M5 front sway bar 25mm > > and Nurb. touring rear bar 20mm. It is firm. Firmer than the BavAuto. > It > > was not quite as firm with the Sachs front shocks and without the M5+ > bars. > > > > Call BMA for a good price on the Sachs kit. I think it is around > > $650. Put the kit in first before you do sway bars. Might be too much > for > > your wife to get used to all at once! > > > > Just my .02 cents. > > > > Mike Holbrook > > Spring Valley, CA > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:26:15 -0400 From: "Art Ream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: 1984 318i E30 - Paint Shop Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, Are there any recommendations on re-painting? Go to an authorized dealer? Good Body shop? Suggestions are welcome... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 19:01:18 -0700 From: "Damon's Home" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Shop in Long Beach CA Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anybody know of a good shop to work on my '94 325i in the Long Beach CA area? -Damon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 21:02:03 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 1 series, hatches, Mini - slightly outdated Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry for the late reply, but I'm catching up with the digest posts from a few weeks ago, and when I saw this comment Lee made, I had to respond: > That being said, I wouldn't consider an E30 to be an unsafe car by any > means. Even the light, earlier 318's are were very well engineered & are a > substantial car. Proof is in the pudding: http://presley.ucr.edu/~brian/car.php Some of you might have remembered my posting this a few years ago a little after it happened, but just thought I might chime in about the safety of the E30. I remember having the front door panels off of my old E30 to fix one thing or another (after all, this was an E30 ;) and was absolutely amazed to see that there were side impact beams welded on the interior of the doors (that, for me, was sure a point to the quality of engineering of BMWs). IIRC, I don't recall side impact beams at all being a common feature of cars until the late 80s/early 90s, and even then they seemed to be slowly adopted, mostly by the family minivan market, then progressing to other vehicles. Anyway, see for yourself what my old E30 looked like after the accident, noting that although I had to crawl out the driver's door window to escape the car, I had only the obvious common accident injuries (whiplash, overall muscle soreness), and a half-inch long cut on my upper back. This kinda stuff is why I love BMW (in addition to the sportiness, agility, performance, basic design & construction, etc etc, I could blabber forever, hehehe)... Although I now have an E36 and enjoy it greatly (especially the near 100hp increase in power over the 318, heh), I continue to long for the nimble feel, amazing agility, and overall light weight of the E30. No qualms about safety, other than maybe about airbags. I often feel that many of the electronic gadgets in the newer cars that are proclaimed to help with safety are more of a distraction than a necessity. When I think about how simple the interior controls in the E30 were in comparison to the newer cars, I realize how much easier it is nowadays to get distracted (I wonder the number of accidents attributed to driver distraction then compared to now... but of course advancements in controls technology will be desired by the mainstream market and be touted by the PR depts of the manufacturers). For me, it's always about the basics, because well engineered and designed basics almost always improve the bottom line. I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about (the desire for a return to the enthusiast's level of engineering of the E30 M3, etc). Sorry to anyone if this is WOB, just my $.02 + $.02 + $.02 + .... Brian -RIP '84 318 -'93 325 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 22:20:02 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 1 series, hatches, Mini - slightly outdated Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The E30 is a fine example of a car, but newer ones are safer yet. Door beams have been required in US cars since 1974. Gary Derian > > Some of you might have remembered my posting this a few years ago a little > after it happened, but just thought I might chime in about the safety of the > E30. I remember having the front door panels off of my old E30 to fix one thing > or another (after all, this was an E30 ;) and was absolutely amazed to see > that there were side impact beams welded on the interior of the doors (that, for > me, was sure a point to the quality of engineering of BMWs). IIRC, I don't > recall side impact beams at all being a common feature of cars until the late > 80s/early 90s, and even then they seemed to be slowly adopted, mostly by the > family minivan market, then progressing to other vehicles. Anyway, see for > yourself what my old E30 looked like after the accident, noting that although I had > to crawl out the driver's door window to escape the car, I had only the > obvious common accident injuries (whiplash, overall muscle soreness), and a > half-inch long cut on my upper back. This kinda stuff is why I love BMW (in addition > to the sportiness, agility, performance, basic design & construction, etc > etc, I could blabber forever, hehehe)... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:40:08 -0500 From: "Dave Swingle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [bmwuucdigest] obd2 scan tool & dyno Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have it. Can't say much about it yet. It reads everything out well, I have not played with the dyno functions. The major drawback is fiddling with the palm pilot controls while attempting to drive a car. You can download the software off the web and install it on your palm to try it out in "demo" mode. What you download is exactly the same as the software provided with the kit. All that you need is the $225 cable. . . . Aren't you in the Chicago area? If so I'd be glad to let you try it. Dave Swingle --------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:22:06 -0400 From: "Chris Pawlowicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: obd2 scan tool & dyno one of my non-bmw buddies was asking me if I had a scan tool for obd-2 (his check engine light comes on sometimes but then goes away) and I started thinking it might be a neat toy to have.. doing some research I came across this nifty device http://www.auterraweb.com plugs into a palm pilot, and covers all obd2 protocols including ISO (for bmws I think).. it also does dyno stuff HP and Torque curves (using speed/rpm & vehicle weight, temp, press etc) which seems like a cool toy for doing mod comparisons.. anybody have one? comments? chris pawlowicz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 21:52:45 -0400 From: "Chris Pawlowicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [bmwuucdigest] obd2 scan tool & dyno Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dave thanks for the info nope, I'm in Ottawa, Canada.. a long days drive (800 miles) from Chicago ;) thanks for the offer chrisP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Swingle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] [bmwuucdigest] obd2 scan tool & dyno > I have it. Can't say much about it yet. It reads everything out well, I have > not played with the dyno functions. The major drawback is fiddling with the > palm pilot controls while attempting to drive a car. You can download the > software off the web and install it on your palm to try it out in "demo" > mode. What you download is exactly the same as the software provided with > the kit. All that you need is the $225 cable. . . . > > Aren't you in the Chicago area? If so I'd be glad to let you try it. > > Dave Swingle > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:22:06 -0400 > From: "Chris Pawlowicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: obd2 scan tool & dyno > > one of my non-bmw buddies was asking me if I had a scan tool for obd-2 (his > check engine light comes on sometimes but then goes away) and I started > thinking it might be a neat toy to have.. > > doing some research I came across this nifty device > > http://www.auterraweb.com > > plugs into a palm pilot, and covers all obd2 protocols including ISO (for > bmws I think).. it also does dyno stuff HP and Torque curves (using > speed/rpm & vehicle weight, temp, press etc) which seems like a cool toy for > doing mod comparisons.. > > anybody have one? comments? > > chris pawlowicz > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
