The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 385 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Avg MPG on e30 CPU Re: [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) Avg MPG on e30 CPU Re: Avg MPG on e30 CPU Re: Avg MPG on e30 CPU Re: How much is too much (oil)??? <E36> 325is & M3 DME compatibility Re: <E36> 325is & M3 DME compatibility Re: <E36> 325is & M3 DME compatibility Re: <E36> 325is & M3 DME compatibility Re: <E36> 325is & M3 DME compatibility empty truck and trailer heading back to Midwest Re: Avg MPG on e30 CPU FS: 1995 325i Convertible FS: 2001 330ci Performance Package
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:07:48 -0500 From: Dennis Wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Avg MPG on e30 CPU Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That sounds like the way the trip computer worked in my 330i and the M5, if I recall correctly. I bet John's problem is that he had no memory and is showing current MPG and not average MPG? I have only seen mine rapidly change right after a reset. Dennis 01 M5 silver/black At 02:36 PM 10/01/2004 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On my E36 325is with the full OBC (my M3 just has temp/check control), >resetting the avg mpg at cruising speed could get me an indicated avg >around 28 mpg. If I soon slowed to a stop, the number would count down >rapidly. After driving awhile, the time of the average would extend, >and the avg mpg reading was less sensitive. > >YAVGMPGMV. > >-Jay > >**************************** > > My understanding is that when speed is zero (no odometer cable input) that > > the averaging should stop, else you divide by zero, which is a no-no. > > > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marco Romani > > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:42 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [UUC] Avg MPG on e30 CPU > > > > > > Shut down the engine at the stop light? > > > > Seriously - I don't understand your question. The car isn't moving, >yet it > > is burning gasoline so 0 miles/gallons burned is 0. > > > > Now maybe the calibration is screwed up on the iX but all your cars should > > count down while idling. Maybe it's the M3 that is wrong. > > > > Marco > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of JohnGrills(Home) > > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:40 AM > > To: Bmwuucdigest-Owner; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [UUC] Avg MPG on e30 CPU > > > > > > hey all, > > I got a glitch in my 'puter, esp bad on the iX. The avg mpg figure >sits and > > counts down while at stop/idle..which of course does wonders for the mpg > > reading. Any bright ideas? This also happens, albeit slower on the iC. >M3 is > > solid, of course, adds to the drama (whaddya mean there is no oil level > > sensor in the S14 motor!?!?!!) > > > > cheers, > > John Grills > > DC Capital Chapter > > 88 M3 > > 88 iX > > 87 iC > > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:00:23 -0500 From: "Robert M. Ellsworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Average mpg is calculated by periodically obtaining and integrating instantaneous mpg (or, more accurately converted l/100km) readings, unless BMW does this massively differently from other average/instantaneous computers. I'm a bit pissed that my '96 750iL doesn't have electronic instantaneous-mpg display (only that little vacuum-gauge dial in the dash) -- Lincolns have given you the choice since the very early '80s, although I would have preferred a two-line display (instantaneous over average) instead of 'one or the other'... If I understand John correctly, his computer was NOT counting down the avg. mpg when stopped before, but IS doing it now. This suggests to me that the portion of the circuitry or internal memory that does the integration is not 'working correctly' -- leading to the same effect that a healthy computer will give when the integrated mpg has been recently reset. It also tells me that the sensors that do the mpg calculation -- fuel flow and speedo drive -- are doing the job at least reasonably well when the car is running. "Proof" of this would be that the average mpg displayed will vary more quickly up and down while *driving*, for example when driving long distances it will start going down fairly quickly when going up gentle grades, and improve very quickly when coasting downgrade. The typical advice about good grounds to the computer, etc., and swapping out with a known-good unit (preferably also putting yours in the 'loaner's' car to see if it does its pixilated stuff there too) apply here... I have no idea whether the iX computer can be swapped for an iC or other computer for this purpose... Be sure to check your ground integrity, preferably with something like a megohmmeter if you have one (the ground connection should show very low resistance even under relatively high current, not just with typical multimeter voltage... sometimes they'll read fine with a meter but not take even a few hundred milliamp of current) John: run a couple of tests & let us know the behavior... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:22:06 -0400 From: "Rich Dorffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Avg MPG on e30 CPU Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jay already provided the answer > >On my E36 325is with the full OBC (my M3 just has temp/check control), >resetting the avg mpg at cruising speed could get me an indicated avg >around 28 mpg. If I soon slowed to a stop, the number would count down >rapidly. After driving awhile, the time of the average would extend, >and the avg mpg reading was less sensitive. Based on the original poster's query > > I got a glitch in my 'puter, esp bad on the iX. The avg mpg > figure sits and > counts down while at stop/idle..which of course does wonders for the mpg > reading. Any bright ideas? Yes, like Jay said, the computer determines the avg mpg by calculating the average since you reset it. So, when you first reset it, it is very sensitive to changes (since the numerator and denominator are so easily altered with) so stopping will cause your gas mileage to plummet (the miles is stagnant and the fuel usage is increasing). Let me guess, you reset the avg mpg just before coming to a stop or shortly before? > This also happens, albeit slower on the iC. Let me guess, you reset the avg mpg a while ago? > M3 is solid, of course Let me guess, you reset the avg mpg even longer ago? Regards, Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert M. > Ellsworth > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 6:00 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [UUC] [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) > > > Average mpg is calculated by periodically obtaining and integrating > instantaneous mpg (or, more accurately converted l/100km) readings, unless > BMW does this massively differently from other average/instantaneous > computers. I'm a bit pissed that my '96 750iL doesn't have electronic > instantaneous-mpg display (only that little vacuum-gauge dial in the dash) > -- Lincolns have given you the choice since the very early '80s, > although I > would have preferred a two-line display (instantaneous over > average) instead > of 'one or the other'... > > If I understand John correctly, his computer was NOT counting > down the avg. > mpg when stopped before, but IS doing it now. This suggests to > me that the > portion of the circuitry or internal memory that does the > integration is not > 'working correctly' -- leading to the same effect that a healthy computer > will give when the integrated mpg has been recently reset. It > also tells me > that the sensors that do the mpg calculation -- fuel flow and speedo drive > -- are doing the job at least reasonably well when the car is running. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:13:47 -0700 From: jkerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Marco Romani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Avg MPG on e30 CPU Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bike computers have an average speed for riding time, which is calculated only when the bike is moving. The BMW OBC averages over total running time whether moving or not, however if a cheap $50. bike computer can do discard standing time, why can't a $50,000 car do like that too? If you want to see how inconsistent the BMW OBC does its calculations from one function to another, open up the hidden code to read liter's per 100 k, then switch to the regular consumption button and click the miles/kilometers button to kilometer mode and you/ll see up to 10% higher economy. Also not the wide variation between the hidden function for real time kilometers per hour versus both the speedometer needle and the number you getn cruise control) from clicking the regular button for average speed. Barry $99. Specialized bicycle cyclometer, has average riding speed moving only mode $600. BMW OBC, no average riding speed moving only mode Marco Romani wrote: >The denominator is 'gallons', as in miles per gallon (miles/gallons, mpg), >which is non-zero as long as the motor is running. Dividing by zero would >be bad, but while standing still it's miles that is zero, not gallons. > >Now my bicycle computer has an option not to determine avg spd while I'm >stopped, but that's different. > >BTW - every car I've ever driven that has a avg mpg reading in does what >you're seeing. Especially if it's just reset prior to coming to a stop. > >I've never played with that feature on an E30, but it counts down on my old >E36 and on the E39 when stopped. > >Marco > >-----Original Message----- >From: JohnGrills(Home) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 11:06 AM >To: Marco Romani; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [UUC] Avg MPG on e30 CPU > > >My understanding is that when speed is zero (no odometer cable input) that >the averaging should stop, else you divide by zero, which is a no-no. > >John > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marco Romani >Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:42 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [UUC] Avg MPG on e30 CPU > > >Shut down the engine at the stop light? > >Seriously - I don't understand your question. The car isn't moving, yet it >is burning gasoline so 0 miles/gallons burned is 0. > >Now maybe the calibration is screwed up on the iX but all your cars should >count down while idling. Maybe it's the M3 that is wrong. > >Marco > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of JohnGrills(Home) >Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:40 AM >To: Bmwuucdigest-Owner; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [UUC] Avg MPG on e30 CPU > > >hey all, >I got a glitch in my 'puter, esp bad on the iX. The avg mpg figure sits and >counts down while at stop/idle..which of course does wonders for the mpg >reading. Any bright ideas? This also happens, albeit slower on the iC. M3 is >solid, of course, adds to the drama (whaddya mean there is no oil level >sensor in the S14 motor!?!?!!) > >cheers, >John Grills >DC Capital Chapter >88 M3 >88 iX >87 iC > > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 23:26:22 -0400 From: CsWs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Avg MPG on e30 CPU Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Barry, Your comparison is invalid for average MPG. While your car is not moving it is still burning fuel for MPG. And therefor should be calculated in total running time. If you are truly calculating how long it took to get somewhere that time has to be factored in bicycle or car. I think the average person would rather know how long it took in total than have the computer stop counting at those 5 min lights. Hey Billy Bob I got to your house in record time today 15.5 min. But Jethro you left a half hr. ago! However, for bike riding, having the timer stop when standing still, gives a better idea of the overall speed. Which is more useful to the rider. Karl On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:13:47 -0700, jkerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bike computers have an average speed for riding time, which is > calculated only when the bike is moving. The BMW OBC averages over > total running time whether moving or not, however if a cheap $50. bike > computer can do discard standing time, why can't a $50,000 car do like > that too? > If you want to see how inconsistent the BMW OBC does its > calculations from one function to another, open up the hidden code to > read liter's per 100 k, then switch to the regular consumption button > and click the miles/kilometers button to kilometer mode and you/ll see > up to 10% higher economy. > Also not the wide variation between the hidden function for real > time kilometers per hour versus both the speedometer needle and the > number you getn cruise control) from clicking the regular button for > average speed. > > Barry > $99. Specialized bicycle cyclometer, has average riding speed moving > only mode > $600. BMW OBC, no average riding speed moving only mode > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:32:26 -0400 From: Martin Bullen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How much is too much (oil)??? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Neil, Are you sure it's just oil? Could it be coolant (head gasket?) or gas (more likely: leaking injectors?) that has drained into the oil? Martin Bullen '95 M3 '97 Z3 2.8 On Oct 1, 2004, at 12:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:02:37 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Neil N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Christian Els <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, UUC Digest > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: How much is too much (oil)??? > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I guess I misread John B.'s original reply. I thought > he meant that I didn't fully drain the car last time I > changed the oil. From your message, it sounds like he > meant I dumped this current oil change into a > partially full receptacle. > > A note on this: I have only a small garage, so I > cannot keep dirty, oily pans laying around. > Accordingly, after emptying the oil from the drain pan > into the 5-gal bucket, it is completely cleaned out > with paper towels until bone dry, then put away. > Anal? Perhaps. But necessary. > > So, bottom line - no chance of that. Oil must have > gotten in some other way. > > Neil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:16:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: <E36> 325is & M3 DME compatibility Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gruppe, Here's one question, can a '93 325is (05/93 prod) use the DME from a '95 M3 (01/95+ prod). Reason I ask is they both share the same Bosch part number 0-261-200-413 (Motronic 3.3.1). Of course if you look it up on the ETK the BMW part numbers are different but let me 'splain further before we start talking EWSII (coded EWS). I know there are similarities and differences between the engines, the 3.0L M3 being a bored & stroked M50 with different cams. So here's the deal, I have a set of '95 M3 cams, and I have a Conforti chip for a '95 M3 (had it since I sold my 95 M3 5 years ago). If I install the M3 cams in the 325is and swap the chip with the 95 M3 one will this work? OK for a moment let's say it doesn't, then the next logical step is to purchase the chip from Josh at Eurosport. Can the 325is take advantage of the Euro HFM upgrade like the 95 M3s can? If so then I would order the entire kit once and not have to upgrade in steps and when I get to the track the M3s would be in shock getting outpowered by a lowly 325. :-/ Confused? I am. If anyone knows if this would work let me know, if you're trying to confuse me some more, save it. :-) Carlos 88 325is 93 325is tryin' to squeeze more juice out of this bad boy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 00:03:13 -0400 From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E36> 325is & M3 DME compatibility Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carlos Lopez wrote: >Gruppe, > >Here's one question, can a '93 325is (05/93 prod) use the DME from a >'95 M3 (01/95+ prod). Reason I ask is they both share the same Bosch >part number 0-261-200-413 (Motronic 3.3.1). Of course if you look it >up on the ETK the BMW part numbers are different but let me 'splain >further before we start talking EWSII (coded EWS). > >I know there are similarities and differences between the engines, the >3.0L M3 being a bored & stroked M50 with different cams. So here's the >deal, I have a set of '95 M3 cams, and I have a Conforti chip for a '95 >M3 (had it since I sold my 95 M3 5 years ago). If I install the M3 >cams in the 325is and swap the chip with the 95 M3 one will this work? > Unless I'm mistaken the M3 has higher flow fuel injectors and a different mass airflow meter, so no you can't use the M3 computer unless you swap those parts as well (at a minimum, it's no guarantee it would run right). Considering that injector flow and mass airflow are the two components that determine fuel delivery swapping the cams would be relatively much less critical. The Bosch part number is the same for both engines because it's the same hardware. The differences are in the software which I presume BMW loads at the factory so the ECUs are identical when they leave Bosch's warehouse. The BMW part numbers are different for the same reason - they have to load the calibration before they ship it to you or it's useless. The M3 computer will have different settings for the injectors and a different voltage vs. mass airflow transfer function, among other things probably including targeted air-fuel ratio and spark tables. Brian '94 325ic ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:12:39 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E36> 325is & M3 DME compatibility Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 09:03 PM 10/1/04, Brian Daley talked about: >Unless I'm mistaken the M3 has higher flow fuel injectors I believe the S50 and M50 use the same injectors. This came up in relation to using the S50 cams in the M50 motor. But I could be remembering it wrong. Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP/A5 - w/S50 cams, JimC chip & intake (JimC/Eurosport have an off-the-shelf chip for this exact application) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 07:56:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Jim Bassett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E36> 325is & M3 DME compatibility Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Jim Bassett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 09:03 PM 10/1/04, Brian Daley talked about: > >Unless I'm mistaken the M3 has higher flow fuel injectors > > I believe the S50 and M50 use the same injectors. This came up in > relation to using the S50 cams in the M50 motor. My message was getting a bit long so I didn't mention that but yeah that is correct. In the similarities/differences I was speaking of, I looked up the injectors and the MAF part numbers and the 325is and the M3 use the same parts, same airbox also (which I'll be swapping out with the Conforti intake). Same throttle body, same intake manifold. That's what got me thinking, crap! If I swap cams I could probably use the '95 M3 chip I have. But I'd still like to know for sure I certainly don't want to "experiment" with the car and fux0r something up. :-) Carlos 88 325is 93 325is __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 00:07:06 -0400 From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E36> 325is & M3 DME compatibility Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carlos Lopez wrote: >I know there are similarities and differences between the engines, the >3.0L M3 being a bored & stroked M50 with different cams. So here's the >deal, I have a set of '95 M3 cams, and I have a Conforti chip for a '95 >M3 (had it since I sold my 95 M3 5 years ago). If I install the M3 >cams in the 325is and swap the chip with the 95 M3 one will this work? > One more thing - the chip probably doesn't contain a complete calibration, just the parameters that it's modifying. If it does contain a complete cal it might work. A call to Conforti would be able to confirm that. Brian '94 325ic ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:42:34 -0700 (PDT) From: TREY PORA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: empty truck and trailer heading back to Midwest Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> bladeruner writes: Bringing a Mercedes out to Phoenix for a friend so I have a 4x4 8'bed and 18' pitch deck auto/truck hauler heading back to midwest ( ChicagoLand ) southern route. Available to haul whatever fits/auto? around 16 October( flexable) to drop off anywhere along route up to 6 hours out. Can pick up in LA , San Fran , San Diego, Phoenix Great rate contact e mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Trey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 07:43:49 -0700 From: Brad Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'JohnGrills(Home)'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'Bmwuucdigest-Owner'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Avg MPG on e30 CPU Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As others have pointed out you are burning fuel at red lights. A simple way to look at it is probably the exact way the computer is calculating it: Average MPG = (Total Miles) / (Total Gallons) So while idling at the light the gallons are going up, and the miles are staying the same, so the MPG is dropping. City vs highway driving, "your mileage may vary". I once tried to explain to one of my peers how my OBC was telling me I was averaging 22.5 mph getting to work. He insisted that was ridiculous since the speed limit is 45-50 on the streets I was taking. He couldn't see how sitting at a light was pulling my average down, but when I repeated what my 7th grade math teacher told me, "average speed is total distance divided by total time" he sorta got it. Brad Houser > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > JohnGrills(Home) > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:40 AM > To: Bmwuucdigest-Owner; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [UUC] Avg MPG on e30 CPU > > hey all, > I got a glitch in my 'puter, esp bad on the iX. The avg mpg > figure sits and > counts down while at stop/idle..which of course does wonders > for the mpg > reading. Any bright ideas? This also happens, albeit slower > on the iC. M3 is > solid, of course, adds to the drama (whaddya mean there is no > oil level > sensor in the S14 motor!?!?!!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:49:37 -0400 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: FS: 1995 325i Convertible Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anyone interested? A friend's mother is selling it. 1995 BMW 325i convertible with 85,000 miles, mint condition, never seen a winter, black with leather interior. Asking $13,000. Stan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:50:54 -0400 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: FS: 2001 330ci Performance Package Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A good friend is selling his car. It is located in NH, as is the convertible I just advertised. 2001 BMW 330ci, silver with black interior, 85,000 miles, leather interior, power sunroof, DVD in dash - also have original single CD radio that would be included, has a few blemishes but otherwise in very good condition. Asking $25,000. I also know that it is a Performance Package car and has M wheels, which I do not believe are stock on the 330ci. Stan ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
