The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 418 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: <E30> FS: Front Strut Brace (again) Re: A little alcohol ain't so bad Re: Mad Mini Re: Mad Mini Re: <E30> strangest check engine code ever E36 Intermittent valve tick Re: E36 Intermittent valve tick Re: Very Stiff/Notchy Shifting - E46 MOT valve?? Re: MOT valve?? Re: MOT valve?? Random BMW Stuff Re: Random BMW Stuff Re: Random BMW Stuff Re: Random BMW Stuff (OT)
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:34:22 -0500 (EST) From: tabe johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: <E30> FS: Front Strut Brace (again) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OOPS! Many apologies for WOB! Here's what I MEANT to say: I'm selling a Front Strut Brace on the Bay. If you're interested, here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/3sou5 Again, sorry for the accident. --tabe johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:15:32 -0800 From: Kurt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: A little alcohol ain't so bad Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OOPs That was supposed to go to another list. Sorry for the WOB. Kurt On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:07:13 -0800, Kurt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Look for Dui.wmv in the files section for those in digest mose. :-) > > Kurt > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:20:12 -0600 From: "Paul Garnier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Mad Mini Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OK, where do I get 1 of these?!?!? http://abum.com/?show_media=2129 Seriously. How is he getting the car to rotate like that? You think he seperated the right & left brakes? You think he eliminated the rear brakes and left the hand brake only for rear? Thoughts? Paul Garnier Fastnetworking.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:24:55 -0800 From: Brian Ghidinelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Mad Mini Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Paul Garnier wrote: > Seriously. How is he getting the car to rotate like that? You think he > seperated the right & left brakes? You think he eliminated the rear > brakes and left the hand brake only for rear? The explanation I heard on another list was a RWD conversion and _extreme_ front brake bias. If you like that one, check this one out also: <http://www.noflatbatteries.com/videos/ChrisEvans.wmv> Brian -- brian ghidinelli > principal > http://www.pukkasoft.com event management software for motorsport event coordinators national events calendar: http://www.pukkasoft.com/calendar ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:42:44 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E30> strangest check engine code ever Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ???? I assume you mean the "stomp test", not the "stop test". The "stomp test" is done with the throttle pedal. Each of the 4 digits should be from 1 to 9, if even that high. If you did a "stop test" using the brake pedal, you are reading some top secret code that I did not know even existed. I'm surprised you even had the patience to count to 56!! Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA 1990 325i >Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:56:38 -0500 >From: "Pharr, Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: <E30> strangest check engine code ever >Message-ID: < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> <snip> >I did the stop test and retrieved the code:� 19 - 17 - 56 - 2 !!! WTF� I >watched it repeat 3 times.� Any clues to the meaning of that code? >Doesn't seem to be on any of the lists I have. > >--Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:51:25 -0500 From: "Ryan and Dee Dee Brenneman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: E36 Intermittent valve tick Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Group I have an early 92 E36 325i with the non-vanos motor. I track this car primarily and have for 4 years. It is still street legal and I drive it to and from events. It has 181k on it and recently it has started to have an intermittent lifter tick. One or two do it for an extended time from startup sometimes and other times they go away normally as the oil pressure comes up. Warm or cold seems not to affect it one way or the other. Other times it just comes and goes while I am driving along. Oil pressure is fine according to my gauge off of the oil filter housing. When it comes while I am driving it is just barely audible over the exhaust and other noises in a stiff track car. But it just sounds like one or two lifters. Not the whole group like at start up. I run Mobil 20/50 and with a temp probe in the oil pan see 250 degrees regularly on the track. From what I can read this temp is fine with Mobil 1. Do individual lifters wear out? Does running this way accelerate the wear on the cam or valves? I am thinking of putting the M50TU from my 525 wagon in the 325 next year after I put an M30 turbo into the wagon. I am staying with a 2.5 because 1. I own the motor I would be putting in it and 2. I want to race the E36 in J Prepared. Will this lifter issue cause a motor failure within the next 10k or so? I know no one can see the future but vague feelings and random thoughts are what I am seeking. TIA Ryan Brenneman 92 325i Wannabe club racer 93 525iT soon to be iTT? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:11:56 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 Intermittent valve tick Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Quoting Ryan and Dee Dee Brenneman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Do > individual lifters wear out? I believe they can, but others more knowledge can say for sure. My first question, though, is what is the usual oil level you run? On both the M3 and the 325is, I run a smidge (technical term :-)) over the MAX mark on the dipstick. The S50/S52 (M3) motors are notorious for having lifter tick when driven hard like at the track or autox. It usually isn't damaging AFAIK, and usually will go away if the car sits with the motor running, allowing the oil to pump back up into the lifters. FWIW, I have had NO issues with this on the M50 motor in the 325is, and it's primarly usage is on the track. > Will this lifter issue > cause a motor failure within the next 10k or so? Doubtful, especially if I understand your description, it usually goes away. Startup tick would be "normal", as there isn't significant oil pressure in the lifters at startup. Similarly, this is what can happen under hard driving conditions - the lifters get starved of oil and tick. If it goes away when you've ceased the "hard driving", this is pretty much "normal" as well. The effect can be mitigated by keeping the oil topped off at or slightly above the MAX level. Other steps include baffling the oil pan to keep oil at the oil pump pick up, among other solutions. Hope that helps, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP/A5 ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:15:30 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Very Stiff/Notchy Shifting - E46 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> John, Transmission mounts are OK? What about motor mounts? Cracks in subframe? -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:38:47 -0800 (PST) From: P Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MOT valve?? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I recently had my 96 328i checked out at a garage. The mechanic said that it has a noisy MOT valve. Is this the same as the air pump?? Thanks, Paul 96 328i 98 Kobra 03 G35 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:52:24 -0500 From: Daniel Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MOT valve?? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sounds like the ball bearings in the Fitzer valve need to be replaced. That sometimes sounds like a noisy MOT valve. DD On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:38:47 -0800 (PST), P Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I recently had my 96 328i checked out at a garage. > The mechanic said that it has a noisy MOT valve. > > Is this the same as the air pump?? > > Thanks, > > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:54:43 -0800 From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MOT valve?? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 03:52:24PM -0500, Daniel Lowe wrote: > Sounds like the ball bearings in the Fitzer valve need to be replaced. > That sometimes sounds like a noisy MOT valve. Better hook that sucker up to the wallet vac. -- "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:23:12 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Random BMW Stuff Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1. Walked back from BART at lunch time with Larry the Alfa/Audi enthusiast. He actually owned some BMW stock for a while, but sold it when Bangle's designs hit the market. He had the best comment I've heard on the direction of automobile design at BMW: "Take the first 'f' out of 'flame surfacing' and that pretty much describes it." 2. Does anyone know what the function of the diode is in an E30 rear defroster switch? Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:59:06 -0800 From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Random BMW Stuff Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 02:23:12PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 2. Does anyone know what the function of the diode is in an E30 rear > defroster switch? No but I can guess... Convertible rear defrosters consist of a heating element and a blower fan. A diode wired into the switch could be there to prevent damage from back-EMF generated by the motor. The switch is probably the same across both models. Just a WAG. -- "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:50:50 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Random BMW Stuff Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The general purpose of diodes is to prevent current flow in two directions. As the rear window defroster is a very high current item (30A I believe) such protection is quite necessary. Brian 93 325 --- John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 02:23:12PM -0800, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > 2. Does anyone know what the function of the > diode is in an E30 rear > > defroster switch? > > No but I can guess... Convertible rear defrosters > consist of a heating > element and a blower fan. A diode wired into the > switch could be there > to prevent damage from back-EMF generated by the > motor. The switch is > probably the same across both models. Just a WAG. > > -- > "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." > -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 21:23:46 -0500 From: "Pharr, Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Random BMW Stuff (OT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Rambling story warning: As a 16 year old kid, I destroyed my grandfather's volt meter trying to troubleshoot a rear window defrost circuit. Not an E30, but a bit older VW Karmann Ghia. It did not occur to me at the time just how much current it took to melt ice and the meter range I chose was not even close. To my credit, I repaired the melted components and still have that meter. Never did fix the defroster. A bit later in life, in my first real engineering job, I learned the difference between the engineering culture and the 'technician' culture. The technicians viewed themselves as underpaid, infinitely capable professionals who did actual work and the engineers saw them selves as tragically underpaid, undervalued assets who couldn't be bothered to get their hands dirty. The truth is somewhere in the middle of all that. The second volt meter I destroyed (MUCH more expensive than the first) gained me unexpected admission to a very privileged club. I was troubleshooting an issue with a large environmental test chamber that had a super heavy door (12 pane glass) and was about 8' by 8'. When the door was open, one of the latches acted as a convenient hang point for my meter. Done with my work, I started to close the chamber door, and once in motion you didn't want to get in the way of this thing. At the last second I remembered the meter but was unable to rescue it before it was crushed in spectacular fashion. I had to return it to the metrology lab as a box of very small pieces a few of which had suffered 125 C heat soak having been trapped inside the chamber. Word got around... As it turned out, destroying your first DVM was a sort of unspoken initiation among the technicians. They saw it as an indication that you had been doing real work. There were very few engineers recognized in their closed technician fraternity and I reaped the benefits of that for as long as I worked at that company. I suddenly had access to the 'up to date' versions of all the schematics, the private inventories of unobtainable components, equipment calibration tricks, missing test equipment, and seemingly infinite tech support... --Jeff > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bmwuucdigest- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Ruiz > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:51 PM > To: UUC Digest > Subject: Re: [UUC] Random BMW Stuff > > The general purpose of diodes is to prevent current > flow in two directions. As the rear window defroster > is a very high current item (30A I believe) such > protection is quite necessary. > > Brian > 93 325 > > > --- John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 02:23:12PM -0800, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > 2. Does anyone know what the function of the > > diode is in an E30 rear > > > defroster switch? > > > > No but I can guess... Convertible rear defrosters > > consist of a heating > > element and a blower fan. A diode wired into the > > switch could be there > > to prevent damage from back-EMF generated by the > > motor. The switch is > > probably the same across both models. Just a WAG. > > > > -- > > "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." > > -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro > > Search the > > > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ __ > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > > founder of the BMW CCA. > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > > home of the Ultimate > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ________________________________________________________________________ __ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
