The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 429 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Wheel Compatability Re: Wheel Compatability Re: Wheel Compatability Re: Wheel Compatability Re: Wheel Compatability Re: I'm Thinking of Having my E30 Painted... Re: I'm Thinking of Having my E30 Painted... Re: No instrument cluster lighting "Beware 'Made in Europe' label: Consumer Reports finds serious slide in auto quality" Re: E36/iPod Re: [E30Group] E30 Exhaust Recomendation Any IBM people's of importance on this list? Re: Colors Re: Colors Re: Colors
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:54:59 -0600 From: Peter Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "DUNLAP, LARRY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Wheel Compatability Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> e34 will not fit e36 e46 will fit e36 e39 will not fit e46 e30 M3 only, e32, e39, e34, e38, e31, e28, e23, e24 swappable 3 series is the oddball, also new 5 and 7 current prod. won't fit older 5s or 7s (hub centers different - learned that the hard way) Hope that helps On Nov 15, 2004, at 2:33 PM, DUNLAP, LARRY wrote: I was searching through the archives, but can't find what wheels from what model will fit other models... For example, the rims off an E34 will fit and E36, or the rims off an E46 will fit and E39 etc... Seems to me I remember that all the rims had the same offsets and patterns except for the 7 series... is that correct? Has anyone put together a chart on what rims will fit what cars? Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:00:15 -0500 From: Daniel Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Wheel Compatability Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> E30 M3 wheels will fit an E28. There might be a very slight rubbing of the tire on the strut tube depending on the tire but it is very slight (i.e. just enough to keep the dirt off the strut). Diaper Dan On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:54:59 -0600, Peter Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > e34 will not fit e36 > e46 will fit e36 > e39 will not fit e46 > e30 M3 only, e32, e39, e34, e38, e31, e28, e23, e24 swappable > > 3 series is the oddball, also new 5 and 7 current prod. won't fit older > 5s or 7s (hub centers different - learned that the hard way) > > Hope that helps > > > > > On Nov 15, 2004, at 2:33 PM, DUNLAP, LARRY wrote: > > I was searching through the archives, but can't find what wheels from > what model will fit other models... > > For example, the rims off an E34 will fit and E36, or the rims off an > E46 will fit and E39 etc... Seems to me > I remember that all the rims had the same offsets and patterns except > for the 7 series... is that correct? > Has anyone put together a chart on what rims will fit what cars? > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:03:15 -0500 (EST) From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Wheel Compatability Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> E39 (5-series) cannot use wheels from earlier models without the wheels being machined. the centerbore - the hole in the middle of the wheel which is the hub-centric mounting surface for the wheel - is larger on an E39. consequently you can use E39 wheels on other series with use of a (preferrably metal) centering ring. I am not familiar with what centerbore the newer 5/6/7 series cars use, but I at worst you'd need to use the centering rings if you were using a newer wheel on an older car. you can reduce offset (E36 wheels) to allow them to be run on cars which require a lower offset (E34, E28, E24, etc) but you cannot add offset to a wheel without machining it (this is not advisable either as you're taking away material from the hub of the wheel which would necessarily reduce it's strength). offsets are not all the same across chassis types. E36 & E46 are generally 35-45mm offset. E28, E34, E32, E23, E39 & E38 all have approx 15-25mm offset. E31 are slightly oddball but use roughly the same offset as E34's, tho slightly less in most applications. E36 & E46 wheels are generally directly swappable, with E46's having more fender room for some larger wheel/tie combinations than E36's. E28, E34, E24, E32, E31 & E23 wheels are generally interchangeable, tho wider wheels with wider tires will run into problems on some cars, specifically E28's. the mye28.com guys have a pretty comprehensive FAQ about E28 wheel fitments, haven't seen something similar for other chassis types. if you have a specific set of wheels in mind for a specific car you're better off asking about that. none of thise cross-over talk applies to E30's as they have 4x100mm bolt spacing & therefore aren't going to work with the 5x120mm spacing of everything else. E21 wheels have less offset than E30's, but will work on an E30 as long as the tires are not too wide. E30 wheels on E21's & 2002's are possible but there are other details to work out. Ben Larry wrote: > I was searching through the archives, but can't find what wheels > from what model will fit other models... > > For example, the rims off an E34 will fit and E36, or the rims > off an E46 will fit and E39 etc... Seems to me I remember that > all the rims had the same offsets and patterns except for the 7 > series... is that correct? > Has anyone put together a chart on what rims will fit what cars? ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:10:44 -0500 From: "DUNLAP, LARRY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Wheel Compatability Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes he has! Thanks to all who responded! -----Original Message----- From: Scott & Charlotte Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 11:31 PM To: DUNLAP, LARRY Subject: Re: Wheel Compatability Larry, has Ben Keys answered you yet? He has superior wheel knowledge, which goes with the dozens of sets of wheels he keeps in his basement. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:33:17 -0500 From: "DUNLAP, LARRY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Wheel Compatability Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I was searching through the archives, but can't find what wheels from what model will fit other models... For example, the rims off an E34 will fit and E36, or the rims off an E46 will fit and E39 etc... Seems to me I remember that all the rims had the same offsets and patterns except for the 7 series... is that correct? Has anyone put together a chart on what rims will fit what cars? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:02:07 -0500 From: "Bruno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "DUNLAP, LARRY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Wheel Compatability Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think that you got it wrong.... E30 is left alone, but the E30 M3 rims will fit the E34. Any E23, E24, E28, E31, E32 and E38 will fit E34 without any modification. (hub center 72.5 mm) If you want to use E39 wheels on the cars above (hub center = 74mm) you will need hubcentric rings. You need to be careful with E31 wheels... the fronts are generally et10-et13, putting the wheels further outward. They will work but will alter the suspension geometry and widths 235mm or greater may rub at full steering wheel lock. 3-series wheels can be used on the cars above with 20mm hubcentric spacers and longer bolts. I have seen it done although I would not use such large spacers on my own car. E36 - E46 rims are the same, same offset. Around 40something. Bruno Webmaster of the BMW E34 Website: www.bmwe34.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "DUNLAP, LARRY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 3:33 PM Subject: [UUC] Wheel Compatability > > > I was searching through the archives, but can't find what wheels from what model will fit other models... > > For example, the rims off an E34 will fit and E36, or the rims off an E46 will fit and E39 etc... Seems to me > I remember that all the rims had the same offsets and patterns except for the 7 series... is that correct? > Has anyone put together a chart on what rims will fit what cars? > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:28:31 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: I'm Thinking of Having my E30 Painted... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Estoril Blue. My 1990 325i is currently Delphin gray with the > usual peeling hood paint, and also peeling front bumper paint > and a sand-blasted front lower valence. Whadaya think? Scott, Had you priced a decent paint job? Down here in TX (land of cheap and abundant Mexican labor), it will cost you more than the current market value of your E30 (~$3.5K). A concourse quality job will be way north of $5K. > I plan to use the car for a few more years for my daily driver, > and then turn it into a dedicated track/autocross car. Maybe > I'll even get a license and go club racing. Aha - this could be a great excuse to learn DIY painting! > I'd prefer to get away from metallic paint. How come? What difference does it make after a layer of clearcoat. alex f ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:23:57 -0800 From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: I'm Thinking of Having my E30 Painted... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If a non-metallic color gets scratched, you can usually rub or buff it out. If a clearcoat color gets scratched, you have a scratch. The price of a quality paint job is one reason I'm not going in that direction. No sense having paint that is worth more than the car it covers. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] I'm Thinking of Having my E30 Painted... > "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Estoril Blue. My 1990 325i is currently Delphin gray with the > > usual peeling hood paint, and also peeling front bumper paint > > and a sand-blasted front lower valence. Whadaya think? > > Scott, > Had you priced a decent paint job? > Down here in TX (land of cheap and abundant Mexican labor), it will cost > you more than the current market value of your E30 (~$3.5K). A concourse > quality job will be way north of $5K. > > > I plan to use the car for a few more years for my daily driver, > > and then turn it into a dedicated track/autocross car. Maybe > > I'll even get a license and go club racing. > > Aha - this could be a great excuse to learn DIY painting! > > > I'd prefer to get away from metallic paint. > > How come? > What difference does it make after a layer of clearcoat. > > alex f > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:34:01 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: No instrument cluster lighting Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carey, Could be ground lug came loose? -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:37:04 -0500 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BMW List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "911" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ferrari List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: "Beware 'Made in Europe' label: Consumer Reports finds serious slide in auto quality" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ya gotta wonder, how many of these negative reliability incidents result from an S-Class or 7-series actually being unreliable, or just resulting from consumer frustration at trying to use COMAND or iDrive or some other "advance" in technology.... Vty, --Dennis ____________________ Beware 'Made in Europe' label Consumer Reports finds serious slide in auto quality By Shawn Langlois, CBS.MarketWatch.com Last Update: 7:55 PM ET Nov. 9, 2004 SAN FRANCISCO (CBS.MW) - European carmakers have firmly supplanted their U.S. rivals in winning the dubious honor of producing some of the world's most-unreliable cars, according to the latest Consumer Report rankings. European models - mostly high-end vehicles - claimed 10 of the top 11 spots on the magazine's list of least-reliable sedans. The Mercedes-Benz S-Class, with a sticker price starting at about $75,000, topped the list followed by the Jaguar S-Type, retailing at about $45,000. BMW, Saab, Volvo and Volkswagen also placed models on the Top 10 list, which contained only a single U.S. vehicle - the supercharged version of the Pontiac Grand Prix. "These high-end European models carry many of the latest features, and the more stuff you've got, the more likely you're going to have problems," said David Champion, Consumer Reports' director of automotive testing. "But the Japanese manufacturers have similar systems and they get it right. It's all about the attention to detail." This poor-quality showing in the survey of 1997 to 2004 models comes at a time when Mercedes and Jaguar have been a source of mounting losses for parents DaimlerChrysler (DCX: news, chart, profile) and Ford Motor (F: news, chart, profile). Both divisions turned in another month of lower unit sales in October, with Jaguar off 11 percent and Mercedes off 5 percent. See monthly results. "We have requested further information from Consumer Reports in an effort to better understand the metrics used," a Jaguar spokesman said, adding that other quality reviewers like J.D. Power and Associates had given the vehicle high marks. 10 Least Reliable Sedans Mercedes-Benz S-Class Jaguar S-Type BMW 7 Series Jaguar X-Type Mercedes Benz E-Class Mercedes Benz C-Class (V6) Volvo S60 (AWD) Saab 9-3 Pontiac Grand Prix (supercharged) Volkswagen Passat (AWD) American nameplates dominated the "least reliable" list until as recently as four years ago, Champion said, when U.S. automakers began reaping the benefit of heightened attention to the quality of design and workmanship. The U.S. placed three vehicles among last year's 10 least reliable, with Europe claiming the other seven spots. "The domestics are seeing the Japanese coming in and taking large swaths of market share purely on reliability," Champion said. "If they want to compete, they have to improve their reliability and meet them head on -- they're starting to do just that." Still, only two domestic models made it among the top 32 "most reliable" vehicles - the Buick Regal, discontinued for 2005, and ironically, the standard-model Pontiac Grand Prix. Meanwhile, as has been the case for decades, the Japanese almost swept the top rankings across nearly all categories. Of the 32 models earning the highest praise in the survey, 29 were Japanese, including 16 Toyota (TM: news, chart, profile) models and seven from Honda (HMC: news, chart, profile). Broken down by segment, Toyota's Lexus IS300 garnered top honors in the sedan category, followed by the Acura RL and the Toyota Camry. The in-demand Toyota Prius hybrid also took "most reliable" ratings along with the Honda Civic hybrid, which should help quell some concerns the environmentally-friendly line of cars might yield some unexpected glitches. In the small car category, the Toyota Corolla and the Scion xB proved most reliable, while three Volkswagen models - the Golf, the Jetta and the New Beetle - came in last. The Japanese also monopolized the hotly-contested sports utility class with the Toyota Land Cruiser and Highlander leading the way followed by the Mitsubishi Endeavor. The European and American brands, completely absent from the "most reliable" side of the SUV list, fared poorly with such models as the Land Rover Freelander and the Lincoln Navigator jousting for the dubious distinction of least reliable. Not even America's best-selling vehicle could compete with the Japanese as the redesigned Ford F-150 also fell into the "least reliable" category vs. the top showing from the Toyota Tundra. Category Most Reliable Least Reliable Small cars Toyota Corolla Volkswagen Golf Sporty cars/convert. Lexus SC430 Hyundai Tiburon Sedans Lexus IS300 Mercedes S-Class SUVs Toyota Land Cruiser Land Rover Freelander Pickup trucks Toyota Tundra Ford F-150 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:46:38 -0500 From: "M540" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E36/iPod Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks for all of the help guys. This link seems to have the best write-up and recommends a handful of products that essentially do the same thing: http://www.mindspring.com/~pmbenn/iPod/330i.htm Unfortunately, all of them are compatible with 1996 or later cars and don't help my 1995. Is anyone intimately familiar with the connector on the earlier radio? Are there a couple of wires I could just splice to RCA adapters to get the iPod audio signal into my stereo? I know there isn't going to be an elegant solution that will allow radio-button control of the iPod for this year radio so I'm trying to do this as simply as possible. If they'd work on my year some of the products mentioned in the link above would be very nice, but at $200 for a connector? No thanks, it'd be cheaper to swap the head unit out and put a dedicated music drive in the trunk. This car will likely be replaced in the next 12 months though, so I'm really looking for a removable (and cheap) solution. Any ideas? Thanks again, Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:23:03 -0500 From: "marshall lytle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Richard Dorffer'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [E30Group] E30 Exhaust Recomendation Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Disagree on the "ansa being junk" comment. I have had several ansa sport mufflers on various cars. Worked great, sounded good, cheap and lasted a long time. The key is to put a good coat of high temp black paint on them before installing them. They get dinged up in shipping and if you don't cover the exposed metal, they rust out like any other metal would. Marshall -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Dorffer Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 12:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UUC] [E30Group] E30 Exhaust Recomendation --- Nick Ortwein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My 1988 325is, 5-speed, needs a new cat-back Muffler. > I would like to know what you guys suggest? I've been looking at > Ansa, OEM, Supersprint, Ireland, etc. A little louder than stock is > fine, but nothing crazy. > I would really like to spend <$200. Also who do you recommend to buy > it from? You can cross the Supersprint, Ireland and every other after-market "performance" exhaust off your list since you have a $200 limit. You are pretty much stuck with Bosal, Ansa, Eberspacher, etc. (the OEM after-market replacements) and Ansa and Bosal after-market exhausts are routinely junk. Eberspacher will likely cost more than $200 as well. I would recommend a new E30 exhaust from BMW which should be approximately $225. I have a brand new, BMW Original Equipment E30 325is exhaust I need to sell...$175 (never got around to installing it before wrecking my departed 1989 325is). Regards, Rich Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:11:58 -0500 From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Any IBM people's of importance on this list? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If so, please email me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Brett Anderson KMS --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.796 / Virus Database: 540 - Release Date: 11/13/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 05:25:16 +0000 From: "Evan A" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Colors Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Speaking of colors, what does Imola Red look like compared to Henna or Bright Red? Know of any sites that might show examples of those colors? Thanks, Evan (still BMW-less, but looking at one this weekend) --------- original message -------- Avus blue #276 is metallic.There are very few nonmetallic colors for BMW's dakar yellow, alpine white, jet black, imola red. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:41:43 -0800 (PST) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Colors Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Imola is a darker, more "blood red," whereas Henna is very bright and orange-y, and Hellrot is just Red, like Kool-Aid only without the artificial flavors. To bounce back to Scott M., the Hellrot used on the E36 M3 for a few years is a fantastic non-metallic color. True "arrest me" red. -tammer <--prefers Hell to Imola --- Evan A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Speaking of colors, what does Imola Red look like > compared to Henna or > Bright Red? Know of any sites that might show examples of > those colors? > > Thanks, > Evan (still BMW-less, but looking at one this weekend) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:49:02 -0500 From: Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Colors Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I miss Cinnabar. That was a red that a serious car could wear without looking tarted up. - Rob On Nov 16, 2004, at 12:41 AM, Tammer Farid wrote: > Imola is a darker, more "blood red," whereas Henna is very > bright and orange-y, and Hellrot is just Red, like Kool-Aid > only without the artificial flavors. > > To bounce back to Scott M., the Hellrot used on the E36 M3 > for a few years is a fantastic non-metallic color. True > "arrest me" red. > > -tammer <--prefers Hell to Imola > > --- Evan A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Speaking of colors, what does Imola Red look like >> compared to Henna or >> Bright Red? Know of any sites that might show examples of >> those colors? >> >> Thanks, >> Evan (still BMW-less, but looking at one this weekend) > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! > http://my.yahoo.com > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > ___ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW > CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
