The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 486 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: WSJ article Re: WSJ article Re: WSJ article Re: WSJ article Re: [bmwuucdigest] digest(8 messages) E30 325i fan / radiator issue Re: E30 325i fan / radiator issue Re: E30 325i fan / radiator issue Re: E30 325i fan / radiator issue Re: E30 325i fan / radiator issue Re: E30 325i fan / radiator issue Re: E30 325i fan / radiator issue Re: E30 325i fan / radiator issue Re: E30 325i fan / radiator issue Re: <E36> Bentley coverage
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:37:03 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: WSJ article Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Front page of today's WSJ had an article about BMW. It looks at recent growth and demographics of the buyers at least in so far as the marketing types characterize them. 5's and 7's sales volumes are trending down. -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:56:08 -0500 From: "Delford Chaffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: WSJ article Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'd say sales are trending down because the new 5 is ugly. Look at profile, remove all above the tail light line and you have a Porsche. Look at the slant lights front and rear and it has Japanese written all over it. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 1/6/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:59:23 -0500 From: "Rich Dorffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Delford Chaffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: WSJ article Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have never heard anyone comparing the new 5 series sedans to Porsches... Later, Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Delford Chaffin > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] WSJ article > > > I'd say sales are trending down because the new 5 is ugly. Look > at profile, > remove all above the tail light line and you have a Porsche. Look at the > slant lights front and rear and it has Japanese written all over it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:06:55 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: WSJ article Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Jan 10, 2005, at 7:59 PM, Rich Dorffer wrote: > I have never heard anyone comparing the new 5 series sedans to > Porsches... > I think Delford was thinking of the new 6. If you slice off the trunk, it looks just like a 996-era 911. - Mark ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:57:09 -0600 From: "Dave Swingle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [bmwuucdigest] digest(8 messages) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> BMW did a production overlap that year. The E46 came out as a 99 in late 1998. They kept producing E36 M3 coupes and convertibles only, thru 1999, not much later than May of 1999. They are titled as 1999 cars. I've noticed that the manual ignores that, as well as some parts listings, but they are essentially the same as 1998 with a few minor trim differences (I think the 99 steering wheel is different). I don't think they necessarily expected the M3 E46 to be out two years later, but the M-cars seem to come out at least a year later after a model change. Dave S -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jan 10, 2005 2:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [UUC] <E36> Bentley coverage I'm sure the model is not a distinct mechanical variant of the E36, but why does Bentley not include the '99 model in its description of model types? My E36 is build date 3/99. I'm assuming it's covered in the '98 MY. -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:04:36 -0800 From: "Jason Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: E30 325i fan / radiator issue Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The fan on my 325i is striking the radiator. The fan has broken a couple of blades from striking the radiator. Previously the fan was hitting one of the coolant hoses, resulting in the hose being ripped and the coolant leaking out. I'm trying to determine the reason that the fan is rotating erratically. I know I need to replace the radiator (After replacing all the hoses I've still got a smallish leak, and I think it's the radiator (besides, the nice circle from the fan hitting it is going to seriously prevent airflow)), but I'm trying to determine what else I need to replace. What would cause the fan to not rotate along a single axis? I would go out and investigate myself, but here in sunny Santa Barbara we have had rainy skies for something like 2 weeks, and the race car (sans engine) fills the garage. Thanks for any and all help. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:19:35 -0500 From: Rob Norwalk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Jason Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: E30 325i fan / radiator issue Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> motor mount? Seen that on an E36 Rob 93 325 02 330 Jason Knight wrote: >The fan on my 325i is striking the radiator. The fan has broken a couple of >blades from striking the radiator. Previously the fan was hitting one of >the coolant hoses, resulting in the hose being ripped and the coolant >leaking out. I'm trying to determine the reason that the fan is rotating >erratically. I know I need to replace the radiator (After replacing all the >hoses I've still got a smallish leak, and I think it's the radiator >(besides, the nice circle from the fan hitting it is going to seriously >prevent airflow)), but I'm trying to determine what else I need to replace. >What would cause the fan to not rotate along a single axis? > >I would go out and investigate myself, but here in sunny Santa Barbara we >have had rainy skies for something like 2 weeks, and the race car (sans >engine) fills the garage. > >Thanks for any and all help. > >Jason > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:20:22 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E30 325i fan / radiator issue Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jason, I had a similar problem with my ex 93 325 about two years ago. I was on my way back up to school with my SO from being in San Diego for the day. As I was heading out of a parking lot in SD, I heard an unusual noise that I didn't usually hear. I left the car running and popped the hood, but couldn't see anything glaringly amiss. I shut off the car and checked again. I pulled on the fan blades and -- crap -- the shaft was wobbly; one of the bearings in the water pump had gone south and was allowing the fan to wobble, as well as weeping coolant. I hopped on the freeway and was able to make it home driving a bit slower and keeping an eye on the temperature gauge. Obviously, the water pump had gone out. $80 at the dealer for a new one, and I was all set to pop it in. Good thing it went out in the way it did though -- I discovered I had still had the (problematic) original plastic impeller pump. My fan didn't wobble as much as it seems yours is, because mine didn't hit anything, it was just sounding funny and wobbling. Other than the water pump shaft, the only other things I can think of are a very broken internal portion of your fan clutch, or the fan blades are loose on the fan clutch. HTH, Brian ex 93 325 --- Jason Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The fan on my 325i is striking the radiator. The > fan has broken a couple of > blades from striking the radiator. Previously the > fan was hitting one of > the coolant hoses, resulting in the hose being > ripped and the coolant > leaking out. I'm trying to determine the reason > that the fan is rotating > erratically. I know I need to replace the radiator > (After replacing all the > hoses I've still got a smallish leak, and I think > it's the radiator > (besides, the nice circle from the fan hitting it is > going to seriously > prevent airflow)), but I'm trying to determine what > else I need to replace. > What would cause the fan to not rotate along a > single axis? > > I would go out and investigate myself, but here in > sunny Santa Barbara we > have had rainy skies for something like 2 weeks, and > the race car (sans > engine) fills the garage. > > Thanks for any and all help. > > Jason > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:09:01 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E30 325i fan / radiator issue Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Jan 10, 2005, at 6:20 PM, Brian Ruiz wrote: > I hopped on the freeway and was able to make it home > driving a bit slower and keeping an eye on the > temperature gauge. You are LUCKY. The temp gauge on an E36 is effectively an idiot light. When it starts to move north, it's probably already too late. - Mark ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:19:49 -0500 From: "KMS- Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E30 325i fan / radiator issue Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That's not entirely true. The gauge on an E36, or later, will sit at 12 o'clock over about a 40 degree F range, but if the car is overheating, the gauge will still give warning. It is NOT an accurate gauge, but it's still better than an idiot light. I had an idiot light in a car back in Australia. I was stuck in traffic on a freeway once and it came on, first time I'd ever seen it. I pulled into the emergency lane and accelerated to get air flow through the radiator. Light went out, I pulled back into traffic, just in time to see a revenue collector step out from the bushes, where slime typically grows. When I told him the car was overheating, he wanted me to turn on the ignition so he could see the gauge. Of course, the light was now out.... Next day, I installed the instrument cluster that had a gauge, that I'd owned for months..... Brett Anderson KMS > -----Original Message----- > On Jan 10, 2005, at 6:20 PM, Brian Ruiz wrote: > > I hopped on the freeway and was able to make it home > > driving a bit slower and keeping an eye on the > > temperature gauge. > > You are LUCKY. The temp gauge on an E36 is effectively an idiot light. > When it starts to move north, it's probably already too late. > > - Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:46:16 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E30 325i fan / radiator issue Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Jan 10, 2005, at 8:19 PM, KMS- Brett Anderson wrote: > That's not entirely true. > True - I was simplifying a bit. > The gauge on an E36, or later, will sit at 12 o'clock over about a 40 > degree > F range, but if the car is overheating, the gauge will still give > warning. It moves FAST, though. Not much warning. > It is NOT an accurate gauge, but it's still better than an idiot light. > Barely. - Mark ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:22:31 -0800 From: donna seeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E30 325i fan / radiator issue Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My car did the same thing with a bad water pump. The pump shaft was crooked, letting the fan hit the hoses and radiator. Donna On 1/10/05 6:04 PM, "Jason Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The fan on my 325i is striking the radiator. The fan has broken a couple of > blades from striking the radiator. Previously the fan was hitting one of > the coolant hoses, resulting in the hose being ripped and the coolant > leaking out. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:35:16 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Knight) Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: E30 325i fan / radiator issue Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From Jason Knight > >The fan on my 325i is striking the radiator. The fan has broken a couple of >blades from striking the radiator. Previously the fan was hitting one of >the coolant hoses, resulting in the hose being ripped and the coolant >leaking out. I'm trying to determine the reason that the fan is rotating >erratically. I know I need to replace the radiator (After replacing all the >hoses I've still got a smallish leak, and I think it's the radiator >(besides, the nice circle from the fan hitting it is going to seriously >prevent airflow)), but I'm trying to determine what else I need to replace. >What would cause the fan to not rotate along a single axis? Ok, first thoughts here: 1) Worn/broken/missing engine mounts 2) Worn/broken/missing(?) fan clutch 3) Worn/broken/missing(!) water pump 4) Broken radiatior mounts Is the radiator loose? Is it where it belongs? Is the fan itself loose? Is there a lot of slop in it? It should not wobble on the clutch. If the fan is not parallel to the radiator but still turns in only one plane (doesn't wobble) I would start looking at the engine mounts. If the fan and radiator are in the right place and not loose try taking the belt off the waterpump/alternator and see if the waterpump has a worn bearing or a bent shaft. >I would go out and investigate myself, but here in sunny Santa Barbara we >have had rainy skies for something like 2 weeks, and the race car (sans >engine) fills the garage. Wear a rain coat and suck it up! :) Get back to me when you change the under car fuel pump in 30F and freezing rain. Ok, just because I am dumb doesn't mean you should be too... but rain? Just rain? *sigh* ;) -- Joe, in the frozen wastelands of Worcester MA. -- Joseph M. Krzeszewski Network Operations [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack of All Trades, Master of None... Yet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:27:33 -0500 From: "Chris Pawlowicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jason Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E30 325i fan / radiator issue Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> check motor mounts, this is pretty common with E30s- when the motor mount breaks and you are under braking the engine can lean forward and the fan can eat the radiator also could be the water pump? I know my '89 325i was making weird sounds from the fan and it was pretty wobbly - new water pump and it was all good again chris pawlowicz '89 325i '99 Z3 2.8 ps. if the mounts are broken you can replace them with the same thing, replace them with beefed up versions like modified 5/7 series mounts (?) or with urethane.. I am very happy with the urethane ones I got from Ireland Engineering, the car vibrates a bit at idle but you can't notice it once you are underway From: "Jason Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 9:04 PM Subject: [UUC] E30 325i fan / radiator issue > The fan on my 325i is striking the radiator. The fan has broken a couple > of > blades from striking the radiator. Previously the fan was hitting one of ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:34:27 -0800 From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E36> Bentley coverage Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 02:59:53PM -0500, Brian Daley wrote: > I'm not sure if it's the case with late production E36's, but a car > built in 3/99 may still be a 98 model year vehicle. Wasn't the E46 > introduced in 1999? Model year is not necessarily related to calendar > year. I got it just as bad with my '93 E30 ragtop. It was built in late '92, marked as '92 on the emissions plate, and titled as a '93. Yet when I try to get parts for it, I always run the risk of getting E36 parts. Sometimes when one part of a website knows my car is an E30, another part does not. That reminds me, I have a set of Hawk HPS front pads for an E36 that I will practically give away to a local SF bay area E36 driver who wants them. :) -- "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
