The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 501 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: M6 & what's the M3 Competition Pckg??? Re: <E30> Door Connector To be fair... Re: To be fair... Re: To be fair... Re: M6 Speed Warning Function Re: Speed Warning Function Re: Speed Warning Function Re: Speed Warning Function Re: Speed Warning Function Re: Re: Rotors Re: Re: Rotors <FS>E36 15" wheels and Snow tires Re: M6
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:39:57 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: M6 & what's the M3 Competition Pckg??? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I would be thrilled to see an M6 CSL ... remember the > original CSL was a "big" coupe. Cut the electronics, do the Yes it was, and a VERY cool one at that. Picture an M6 with a big spoiler on it, now that IS kind of cool. Stop laughing, I'm serious... > hood/decklid in CF, lighten the doors and seats, lift the > sound deadening, ditch the run-flats ... probably another 400 How expensive you wanna go on this.....cross that 6-figure mark & the competition gets MUCHO harder. > lbs in there somewhere. 500 hp and 3400 lbs would be pretty > ridiculous. It would be C6 Z06 with driver......or a dry Viper GTS. Both of which are pretty darn cool. > > -tammer Lee P.S. I saw an ad for the M3 competition package. According to the ad, it adds the euro brakes, & 19" wheels. Is that it? How much does this cost? I guess this is the US's little gift for not receiving a CSL? I think it'd be cool if BMW would do some real competition package like the dodge ACR cars with more trick bits......of course, as Rich pointed out, someone would have to buy them. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:43:32 -0500 (EST) From: tabe johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E30> Door Connector Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> i All, If anyone has a Carfax account and would be willing to run a VIN for me, would you kindly email? Thanks, --tabe johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:44:24 -0800 (PST) From: P Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: To be fair... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I suspect that some of you can away from the G35/BMW discussion thinking that I'm completely pro Infiniti and anti-BMW. This is really not the case (I did purchase a BMW) and in the interest of being fair (and show that I'm not pro-Infiniti), I'd like voice a complaint of mine regarding the brakes on my wife's G35. The car now has 37k miles and is approx. 16 months old. The brake light just came on so we dropped it off at the stealership. They told us that the front pads/rotors need to be replaced at a cost of $600! The pads had worn all the way down and eat the rotors (they never made a sound, and still don't). Infiniti has a "volutanary recall" for the brakes for a period of 3 years/36k miles. Because I've got 37k, they denied the claim. I was told the claim would be denied "even if you were 1 mile over the limit". Nice, huh. Am I off my rocker, or is less than 37k miles out of a set of pads/rotors on a car driven 150 miles a day to work on the highway not normal? The rotors were destroyed, so obviously the pads/rotors needed to be replaced in less than 37k miles. As I mentioned, this is my wife's car, and she doesn't drive agressively and isn't "on the brakes" all the time. -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:16:54 -0500 From: Ben Keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: To be fair... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> tell the dealership to go f*ck themselves & do the work on the brakes yourself. or consult one of what are sure to be many G35 forums & find out what people prefer for aftermarket pads & rotors & have a local brake shop do the work for you. tell them ahead of time you want to provide the parts yourself, expect to pay a bit more for thier labor than if you'd bought the parts there, (they make money on parts too and will want to make up some of that if you provide the parts) but be secure in knowing you got the rotors & pads you wanted rather than random stuff they might have. maybe the stock pads are overly agressive & tend to eat up themselves & the rotors, hence the "silent" recall or whatever Inifniti/Nissan is offering. 37k does seem pretty short life for pads tho. find another dealer & see whether they'll honor the claim. consult those forums again & see whether there's any way to get Nissan corporate to force the dealer to honor it for you. dealer seem to quote people insane prices for brake work. IIRC I was quoted something like $600 to rebuild a caliper on my M coupe which had a torn dust boot on the piston. tho they may have wanted to replace the whole thing given their like plug-n-play mentality for that sort of thing. Ben Paul wrote : > I suspect that some of you can away from the G35/BMW > discussion thinking that I'm completely pro Infiniti > and anti-BMW. This is really not the case (I did > purchase a BMW) and in the interest of being fair (and > show that I'm not pro-Infiniti), I'd like voice a > complaint of mine regarding the brakes on my wife's > G35. > > The car now has 37k miles and is approx. 16 months > old. The brake light just came on so we dropped it > off at the stealership. They told us that the front > pads/rotors need to be replaced at a cost of $600! > The pads had worn all the way down and eat the rotors > (they never made a sound, and still don't). > > Infiniti has a "volutanary recall" for the brakes for > a period of 3 years/36k miles. Because I've got 37k, > they denied the claim. I was told the claim would be > denied "even if you were 1 mile over the limit". > Nice, huh. > > Am I off my rocker, or is less than 37k miles out of a > set of pads/rotors on a car driven 150 miles a day to > work on the highway not normal? The rotors were > destroyed, so obviously the pads/rotors needed to be > replaced in less than 37k miles. As I mentioned, this > is my wife's car, and she doesn't drive agressively > and isn't "on the brakes" all the time. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:00:35 -0800 (PST) From: P Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Ben Keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: To be fair... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ben, I already ordered new aftermarket rotors/pads and will be installing them myself. Aside from the cost involved in having to take the car to the stealership 10-12k miles if the car was city driven or every 36k miles if highway driven (which is NOT insignificant by the way), it is also a HUGE inconvenience as you can well imagine. -Paul --- Ben Keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > tell the dealership to go f*ck themselves & do the > work > on the brakes yourself. or consult one of what are > sure > to be many G35 forums & find out what people prefer > for aftermarket pads & rotors & have a local brake > shop do the work for you. tell them ahead of time > you > want to provide the parts yourself, expect to pay a > bit > more for thier labor than if you'd bought the parts > there, > (they make money on parts too and will want to make > up some of that if you provide the parts) but be > secure > in knowing you got the rotors & pads you wanted > rather than > random stuff they might have. > > maybe the stock pads are overly agressive & tend to > eat up themselves & the rotors, hence the "silent" > recall > or whatever Inifniti/Nissan is offering. 37k does > seem > pretty short life for pads tho. find another dealer > & see > whether they'll honor the claim. consult those > forums > again & see whether there's any way to get Nissan > corporate to force the dealer to honor it for you. > > dealer seem to quote people insane prices for brake > work. > IIRC I was quoted something like $600 to rebuild a > caliper > on my M coupe which had a torn dust boot on the > piston. > tho they may have wanted to replace the whole thing > given > their like plug-n-play mentality for that sort of > thing. > > > Ben > > > Paul wrote : > > I suspect that some of you can away from the > G35/BMW > > discussion thinking that I'm completely pro > Infiniti > > and anti-BMW. This is really not the case (I did > > purchase a BMW) and in the interest of being fair > (and > > show that I'm not pro-Infiniti), I'd like voice a > > complaint of mine regarding the brakes on my > wife's > > G35. > > > > The car now has 37k miles and is approx. 16 months > > old. The brake light just came on so we dropped > it > > off at the stealership. They told us that the > front > > pads/rotors need to be replaced at a cost of $600! > > The pads had worn all the way down and eat the > rotors > > (they never made a sound, and still don't). > > > > Infiniti has a "volutanary recall" for the brakes > for > > a period of 3 years/36k miles. Because I've got > 37k, > > they denied the claim. I was told the claim would > be > > denied "even if you were 1 mile over the limit". > > Nice, huh. > > > > Am I off my rocker, or is less than 37k miles out > of a > > set of pads/rotors on a car driven 150 miles a day > to > > work on the highway not normal? The rotors were > > destroyed, so obviously the pads/rotors needed to > be > > replaced in less than 37k miles. As I mentioned, > this > > is my wife's car, and she doesn't drive > agressively > > and isn't "on the brakes" all the time. > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:45:11 -0500 From: Ben Keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: M6 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I didn't surf over to the M6 specs, but they have not traditionally put run-flats on M cars, so that weight isn't there to take out. the E46 CLS shows what they can do with a lot of de-contenting in terms of lighter seats & reduced (I believe) NVH mat'ls. I'd presume that you could get the current M6 down by an easy 500 lbs with similar measures. still no featherweight, but not so bad. as another datapoint, the original E24's weren't that piggy if you stripped them out. Erik Branfors has apparently gotten his track car (stripped, but with a pretty extensive cage) down to around 2,900 lbs, which isn't too bad. I also bet you'll still be able to get a full manual when the next M3 comes out, since it's supposed to be a ~400hp V8 based on the M5's V10, it wouldn't have any more torque than the E39 M5 motor did (neither does the V10 actually, come to think of it) so it should be able to manage with the current 6-speed. Ben Tammer wrote: > I'd say the argument was rather, why not accept an > incremental (at that level) increase in price to knock 50 > lbs out of the best possible location on the car? Cutting > 50 lbs on the roof, combined with a lightweight > hood/decklid, really lowers the center of gravity and > improves the car's handling. Better than chopping 100 lbs > out of the lower areas of the passenger compartment. > > I would be thrilled to see an M6 CSL ... remember the > original CSL was a "big" coupe. Cut the electronics, do > the hood/decklid in CF, lighten the doors and seats, lift > the sound deadening, ditch the run-flats ... probably > another 400 lbs in there somewhere. 500 hp and 3400 lbs > would be pretty ridiculous. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:55:03 -0800 (PST) From: P Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Ben Keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] Subject: Speed Warning Function Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why is it that the speed limit/warning function on my on board computer doesn't warn me until I've exceeded the limit by 5 mph. Case in point, I set it at 80 mph, but it doesn't light up until I hit 85 mph? Just curious. -Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:04:39 -0800 From: Raza Uddin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Speed Warning Function Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:55:03 -0800 (PST), P Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why is it that the speed limit/warning function on my > on board computer doesn't warn me until I've exceeded > the limit by 5 mph. Case in point, I set it at 80 > mph, but it doesn't light up until I hit 85 mph? > > Just curious. > > -Paul BMW engineers a speedometer advance in its car to compensate for various factors. >From the TIS: >http://www.georgehendricks.com/DTM/SI%20%20Maximum%20Permissible%20Speedometer%20Error.pdf Hope this answers your question. Drive Safely, Raza ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:10:00 -0500 From: Ben Keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Speed Warning Function Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> another useful bit of information on the subject : http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=4&article_id=1906&page_number=1 amusingly enough the speedo in my E34 M5 is dead nuts accurate. the odo reads about 0.5% low but that's no big deal to me. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:21:26 -0800 (PST) From: P Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Raza Uddin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: Speed Warning Function Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I guess I don't understand, or maybe I didn't explain it correctly. When I set the "Speed Limit" function on my onboard computer to 80 mph, the warning doesn't go off until I exceed the limit by exactly 5 mphs. Is is not that my "true" speed is 80 mph when I'm going 85 mph, or is it? If that's the case, then why don't they simply set the speedo to read 80 mph instead of 85mph? -Paul --- Raza Uddin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:55:03 -0800 (PST), P Kroon > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why is it that the speed limit/warning function on > my > > on board computer doesn't warn me until I've > exceeded > > the limit by 5 mph. Case in point, I set it at 80 > > mph, but it doesn't light up until I hit 85 mph? > > > > Just curious. > > > > -Paul > > BMW engineers a speedometer advance in its car to > compensate for > various factors. > > From the TIS: > http://www.georgehendricks.com/DTM/SI%20%20Maximum%20Permissible%20Speedometer%20Error.pdf > > Hope this answers your question. > > Drive Safely, > Raza > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:28:58 -0500 From: Ben Keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Speed Warning Function Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> borrow a GPS from someone. get on a flat road w/o traffic. set the cruise control at an indicated 80mph. look at the GPS. the GPS will read the true speed. then adjust the OBC to reflect one mph slower than the GPS-indicated speed. the alarm should then go off, showing you that the OBC (and the odometer) is accurate, but that the speedo alone is inaccurate. read the Car & Driver article I posted & you'll see why the speedo is designed that way. Ben Paul wrote :> > I guess I don't understand, or maybe I didn't explain > it correctly. > > When I set the "Speed Limit" function on my onboard > computer to 80 mph, the warning doesn't go off until I > exceed the limit by exactly 5 mphs. Is is not that my > "true" speed is 80 mph when I'm going 85 mph, or is > it? If that's the case, then why don't they simply > set the speedo to read 80 mph instead of 85mph? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:54:19 -0500 From: "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Re: Rotors Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Depends on the car. Different engineers optimize for different things. I know that my early integra had rotors that wore about evenly with pads. They just didn't build much wear into them. Think it may have something to do with the fact that smaller rotors will heat up for lighter duty driving and grab better, though you trade off durability. Race teams make those tradeoffs. so do car manufacturers. Sounds like you need to find a Nissan/infiniti manual and learn how to do brake jobsa on that car. Marc Plante E36 M3/4 (needs a thermostat BADLY) Vienna, VA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:11:16 -0800 (PST) From: P Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Re: Rotors Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Marc, At the risk of sounding argumentative, this car was driven almost exclusively on the highway and has NEVER been raced. I've heard from others with G35s that have been city driven, and the pads/rotors are lasting approximately 10-12k miles. Heck, the oil is supposed to be changed every 7.5k miles, that means I'd have to replace the brakes almost every oil change! I realize that everything is a tradeoff, but doesn't this sound a little abnormal? While the car brakes well, it wasn't designed by a race team for the LeMans series, so the same kind of tradeoffs that are made by a race team are not really applicable. Not to mention that people who have switched to aftermarket rotors/pads (stock sizes) don't experience this kind of wear, and have maintained or decreased the stopping distance. The fact that the rear brakes are completely fine tends to indicate to me that the front/rear bias is off (though this is just a theory, and I have no actual data to support this). -Paul --- Marc Plante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Depends on the car. Different engineers optimize for > different things. I know that my early integra had > rotors that wore about evenly with pads. They just > didn't build much wear into them. Think it may have > something to do with the fact that smaller rotors > will heat up for lighter duty driving and grab > better, though you trade off durability. Race teams > make those tradeoffs. so do car manufacturers. > > Sounds like you need to find a Nissan/infiniti > manual and learn how to do brake jobsa on that car. > > Marc Plante > E36 M3/4 (needs a thermostat BADLY) > Vienna, VA > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:58:40 -0500 From: "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: <FS>E36 15" wheels and Snow tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> After a festive lunch time drive in my M3 with Toyo T1s on it, I'm reminded that I have a set of 15x7 Borbet Type Ts in my garage with 6mm deep Michelin Pilot Alpin tires. Rims are a clean 5 spoke that cleans up easily, and they're in very good shape Fit All Non-M E36s. $350 plus shipping from 22180. Prefer local pickup in the Washington DC area. Marc Plante E36 M3/4 (putting on snow wheels tonight) Vienna, VA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:26:53 -0800 (PST) From: david kroth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: M6 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I went to the BMW delivery facility open house in NJ a couple months ago. There were a bunch of corporate types and field service engineers there to give a presentation on the new M V10. They discussed this funky transmission. The reason they gave for having the gears all over the place was to reduce shift times: one shift fork is moving out of the current gear while another fork is simultaneously moving into the next gear. They showed us graphs of gear change timing between old SMG and new. No mention of reliability. But if there was a reliability issue, I can't imagine them discussing it, either. The "quick change" explanation does not rule out the reliability explanation. Ben wrote: > have you missed the part of the tech discussion on > the new > M5 where they explain that in order to have the > durability that > they require in the 7-speed gearbox they have the > gears located > all over the place ? as in 1st is in the normal > place, but 2nd is > two slots over on the top ? (I don't recall the > exact details of > how they're strewn around the pattern, but it's > something like that) > so you'd have a completely wacked-out shift pattern > if you were > to attempt to shift the trans manually, which isn't > something they > can sell to 99.9999% of customers. ===== David Kroth [EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
