The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 766 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Restoring a 735 (2nd attempt to send) Re: Restoring a 735 (2nd attempt to send) Re: toyo tires Re: toyo tires Re: Z3 Toyo Tires Re: Toyo Tires <E90>Initial Impressions? Individual Program? Re: <E90>Initial Impressions? Individual Program? Re: <E90>Initial Impressions? Re: <E90>Initial Impressions? Re: toyo tires Re: toyo tires Re: toyo tires
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:53:27 -0700 From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Restoring a 735 (2nd attempt to send) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Sorry if you're reading this twice, I got a cryptic bounce message when I sent this the first time.) Interestingly, this subject came up twice during our GGC car control clinic/autocross weekend. A chapter member owns an E32 750iL. At the car conrol clinic we discussed that there were a lot of things wrong with the car, and the owner wanted to know the most cost-effective way of fixing it up, because she really loves the car. Apparently it needs an engine, one from the dealer is prohibitively expensive, and there are not a lot of sources for good rebuilt engines out there. She wasn't complaining about the transmission, but it was suggested that this could eventually be a problem. But she really loves the car. Sunday at the autocross, as I was changing my tires, said 750 owner pulls in and parks next to me. Then she starts saying to anyone who will listen that it was leaking fuel somewhere near the engine when she started the car in the morning. So, of course, she drove it to the autocross, where no one could see the leak. But she kept pushing the issue, hoping to talk someone into fixing it on site. Later a local mechanic told me the best thing that could happen would be for the car to catch fire and burn up, thus solving all of her other problems. While we had a good laugh, this does seem like a good solution. Traffic getting home from the Monterey Peninsula on Sunday nights is a bi0tch and a half, so several of us decided to stay in town for dinner to let the traffic clear. After Korean BBQ we stopped at the local Starbucks. An E32 735i with a for sale sign pulled in and we ended up talking with the owner for a few minutes. This guy had owned various 3 series cars and had decided to try the 7er for a while. It already had a rebuilt transmission when he bought it, and the engine (M30, of course) is fine, but the car had lots of little problems and he would rather put that money into buying a good car rather than fix up the 7. So it seems to me from this UUC discussion and the two weekend examples that the kind of person who should buy an E32 is someone who likes a perpetual project, or perhaps misses their British cars, a similar experience. Otherwise, it is probably best to stay away. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:18:23 -0700 >From: "Kevin Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "BMW BMW BMW BMW" <[email protected]> >Subject: Restoring a 735 >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Bill wrote: > >> I have an opportunity to buy a 1988 735 tomorrow at a local auction >> (mid-south Tenn ) probably for very cheap. I am tossing up whether to try >> and part it out or restore it if it becomes mine all mine ... >> I suspect that it'd cost more than it's worth by far to restore .. > >Bill you are correct when you suspect that it will cost far more to restore >the 1988 735 than it is worth. The BMW 7 Series has always depreciated very >fast and since the supply of nice clean used 7 Series cars is always greater >than the demand. If you want a nice restored 7 Series take a look at the >link below (the car is probably still for sale since the last time I saw an >ad in Roundel he was asking $20K for the $5K car that he spent $45K >restoring). >http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62783 > >Kevin Kelly >BMW CCA 50039 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:56:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Ted Crum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Scott & Charlotte Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Restoring a 735 (2nd attempt to send) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey, I resemble that! And I've got the receipts to prove it. Of all the e32's, the '88 was the worst. -- Ted Crum 1988 735i 5-speed 1988 K75c [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Scott Miller wrote crypticly: > (Sorry if you're reading this twice, I got a cryptic bounce message > when I sent this the first time.) > > Interestingly, this subject came up twice during our GGC car control > clinic/autocross weekend. A chapter member owns an E32 750iL. At the > car conrol clinic we discussed that there were a lot of things wrong > with the car, and the owner wanted to know the most cost-effective way > of fixing it up, because she really loves the car. Apparently it > needs an engine, one from the dealer is prohibitively expensive, and > there are not a lot of sources for good rebuilt engines out there. > She wasn't complaining about the transmission, but it was suggested > that this could eventually be a problem. But she really loves the > car. > > Sunday at the autocross, as I was changing my tires, said 750 owner > pulls in and parks next to me. Then she starts saying to anyone who > will listen that it was leaking fuel somewhere near the engine when > she started the car in the morning. So, of course, she drove it to > the autocross, where no one could see the leak. But she kept pushing > the issue, hoping to talk someone into fixing it on site. Later a > local mechanic told me the best thing that could happen would be for > the car to catch fire and burn up, thus solving all of her other > problems. While we had a good laugh, this does seem like a good > solution. > > Traffic getting home from the Monterey Peninsula on Sunday nights is a > bi0tch and a half, so several of us decided to stay in town for dinner > to let the traffic clear. After Korean BBQ we stopped at the local > Starbucks. An E32 735i with a for sale sign pulled in and we ended up > talking with the owner for a few minutes. This guy had owned various > 3 series cars and had decided to try the 7er for a while. It already > had a rebuilt transmission when he bought it, and the engine (M30, of > course) is fine, but the car had lots of little problems and he would > rather put that money into buying a good car rather than fix up the > 7. > > So it seems to me from this UUC discussion and the two weekend > examples that the kind of person who should buy an E32 is someone who > likes a perpetual project, or perhaps misses their British cars, a > similar experience. Otherwise, it is probably best to stay away. > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA > > >Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:18:23 -0700 > >From: "Kevin Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "BMW BMW BMW BMW" <[email protected]> > >Subject: Restoring a 735 > >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Bill wrote: > > > >> I have an opportunity to buy a 1988 735 tomorrow at a local auction > >> (mid-south Tenn ) probably for very cheap. I am tossing up whether > to try > >> and part it out or restore it if it becomes mine all mine ... > >> I suspect that it'd cost more than it's worth by far to restore .. > > > >Bill you are correct when you suspect that it will cost far more to > restore > >the 1988 735 than it is worth. The BMW 7 Series has always > depreciated very > >fast and since the supply of nice clean used 7 Series cars is always > greater > >than the demand. If you want a nice restored 7 Series take a look at > the > >link below (the car is probably still for sale since the last time I > saw an > >ad in Roundel he was asking $20K for the $5K car that he spent $45K > >restoring). > >http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62783 > > > >Kevin Kelly > >BMW CCA 50039 > > > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:05:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: toyo tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Sun, August 7, 2005 9:11 pm, Clarence said: > Carlos, in your opinion, can the RA1s endure some street driving, like > to and from the track? I'm not Carlos, but I'll chime in, as I have a LOT of experience with the RA1s. Yes, the RA1s can endure street driving. I regularly drove to/from the track on them whe I used 'em on the M3 as driver's school tires. They are now the "street" tires on the race car (which also is driven to/from the track) and are used for all non-race events (instructing/lapping days, etc); although I have raced on them several times, in both dry & wet conditions. > Would driving 4 hours to a track be pushing > things? Probably not. > Probably a really dumb question: are these considered actual R > compound and therefore require heat cycling? Not really. They don't need to be heat-cycled like other R-compound tires (Hoosier, Kumho, etc), but initially they'll need to be "scrubbed-in" just like any new tire. Other than that, they are good to go "right out of the box". Hope that helps, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - 3 years on RA1s 1993 325is #44 JP - nearly 4 years (and counting) of various RA1 use ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:55:20 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "JKerouac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]>, "Brian Ghidinelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Andre Yew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: toyo tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "JKerouac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How long might RA1s last if used only for street driving? > Barry That would be a near-impossible question to answer since anyone who buys R-tires will likely take them to the track. FWIW, I'm on my 3rd (if not 4th) set of 235/40-17 RA1s. Down here in TX, they work great as all-around summer and track/autoX tires. They are also great in the rain while the tread is still visible. In that mode they last at a full season. I would guesstimate at least 5K miles of mixed use. On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Rich Dorffer wrote: > No doubt, it is a false economy to run street tires on the track for more > than 1-2 events a year or less. Another GIANT contributor to tire wear on the track is lack of camber. You will absolutely wipe out the outside edges of your front (and to lesser extend rear) tires well before the inside/center are done. Flipping them over is an option, but it costs money and you still give up traction. Investing ~$300 into a set of front camber plates and alignment will pay for itself over the life-span of one set of tires. SHAMELESS PLUG: I'm about to go back to grad school and will be selling my track toys, include a set of 17x8 SSR Integral-A2 wheels with 1/2 used Toyo RA1's. If anyone is interested, the set is in Dallas TX and will be heading to Boston later this month. Pictures and details soon. Call/email me if interested. alex f 972-939-8888 (home) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:21:44 -0500 From: Dennis Wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Z3 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bimmer magazine had a "Z3 Buyer's Guide" issue that was available as a back issue. I got a copy from them when trying to decide between a Z3 and an S2000 (I chose the S). It does not look like it is available now. http://www.bimmer-mag.com/back_issues.html You could check the links here: http://www.bmwworld.com/models/z3a.htm for the into you need, you could also check over on the Roadfly Z3 forum. Dennis At 05:27 AM 08/08/2005 -0700, david kroth wrote: >A buddy of mine here at work decided he wants a >Z3. I'm the resident "BMW guy" so he's come to >me for advice. > >I don't know the first thing about Z3's. > >Is there a page out there that summarizes years, >engine sizes, features, etc? > >Thanks. > > >David Kroth >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:55:34 -0700 (PDT) From: kjk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Toyo Tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oh Clarence. You are going to have so much fun. Once you put an R compound on your car you will be grinning ear to ear. Soooo much more grip. Also, the RA1's behave like a lot of street tires. Great gradual breakaway with no surprises so the transition is really easy. I went from a year plus on RE71's to the RA1's and have had no problems. As Donna said, be aware that when new they will get a bit squirmy after 5-6 laps, especially on a hot day. Just keep your foot planted.:-) I drive to and from the track until I start to get some real wear. On my street tires the inside edge wears and on the track an M5, even with 2.0 degrees negative camber up front, will eat the outside shoulders pretty much exclusively. However, I always feel better knowing I have my street tires with me in case I bend a couple of wheels or something on track. Kevin Kelly '91 M5 P.S. Now I just need a crew (e.g. poor money-hungry teenager) to change my tires at the end of a long, hot day. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 11:06:22 -0700 From: donna seeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Toyo Tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kevin, If you change "teenager" to "college student," you could pay in cheap beer instead of money. Donna knows how heavy Kevin's wheels are & wants good beer On 8/8/05 10:55 AM, "kjk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > P.S. Now I just need a crew (e.g. poor money-hungry > teenager) to change my tires at the end of a long, hot day. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:32:57 -0500 From: "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: <E90>Initial Impressions? Individual Program? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Has anyone seen any initial impressions of changes in reliability for the e90 based on new components/ design? I have a friend considering one. I've seen the Roundel article but was wondering if there were any other impressions. Thanks, Marc Plante 1997 E36 M3/4 66k 2005 "Child" (On order) Vienna, VA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:36:29 -0400 From: "Della Barba, Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E90>Initial Impressions? Individual Program? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Unless the cars can't even last a month or two aren't we a few years from knowing this? Joe Della Barba -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc Plante Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [UUC] <E90>Initial Impressions? Individual Program? Has anyone seen any initial impressions of changes in reliability for the e90 based on new components/ design? I have a friend considering one. I've seen the Roundel article but was wondering if there were any other impressions. Thanks, Marc Plante 1997 E36 M3/4 66k 2005 "Child" (On order) Vienna, VA Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:51:19 -0500 From: "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E90>Initial Impressions? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Joe asked: > Unless the cars can't even last a month or two aren't we a few years from > knowing this? > I understand that we won't get a sense of longer term longevity, but I was thinking of comments along the lines of... - The Run flat tires have been annoying items on other cars that you should think of opting out of if you can. - Don't bother with the factory stereo upgrade. My wishful thinking: - They've finally done away with the factory plastic necked radiator, which should help. - They've made some tweaks to the latest instance of IDrive in this new car and its worth buying Just doing a quick survey to see if there were any initial data points. I realize I need to wait for Consumer Reports to REALLY understand how good this car is ;^) Marc Plante 1997 E36 M3/4 66k 2005 "Child" on order Vienna, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Della Barba, Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] <E90>Initial Impressions? Individual Program? Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:36:29 -0400 > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:15:07 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E90>Initial Impressions? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joe asked: > > > Unless the cars can't even last a month or two aren't we > > a few years from knowing this? > > I understand that we won't get a sense of longer term > longevity, but I was thinking of comments along the lines of... > > - The Run flat tires have been annoying items on other cars > that you should think of opting out of if you can. Marc, My E90 impressions are based entirely on the test drives and BMW autoX course during the recent Ultimate Drive event in Dallas: - the car is very huge. I would not be surprised if (the interior at least) is bigger than that of E28/E34. - run flat tires butcher the ride quality on rough surfaces/concrete. The car less supple over road imperfections than my M3 on stock springs and Koni's. - the 325's acceleration is underwhelming at best. - same for the braking distances. - there is no spare tire, nor much of a toolkit (1 screwdriver, 1 wrench, 1 tow hook, 1 hex key - that's it!). - the entire car sits way too high - almost like the new Ford 500. - ability to collapse rear folding seats from inside the trunk is very helpful. - engine bay is weird: - cylinders 3-6 are needlessly covered by a welded plank. - there is a Mustang-style tower brace going from each strut tower to the middle of the firewall - there is a foot and a half of empty space in front of the engine/radiator, negating the proclaimed benefit of the electrical fan saving 1.5 inches of engine length. - everything that can be shrouded in plastic, is. - every hex bolt/nut that could have been replaced with star/torx screws/bolts, was. > - Don't bother with the factory stereo upgrade. U.D. cars had Sirrus radio. I did not care enough to play with it. > My wishful thinking: > - They've finally done away with the factory plastic necked > radiator, which should help. Hard to say. You would virtually need to disassemble the entire nose to get to the radiator! > - They've made some tweaks to the latest instance of IDrive in > this new car and its worth buying U.D. cars did not have iDrive. Not that I find iDrive techno-phobia (or Bangle style bashing) legitimate complaints : if you can learn to operate a computer to bitch about the iDrive, you can operate iDrive. Period. HTH, alex f ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:02:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: toyo tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Rich Dorffer wrote: > No doubt, it is a false economy to run street tires on the track for more > than 1-2 events a year or less. It's not been that bad for me. My tires usually go through 4 or 5 schools a year and do fine (about 20k miles between tire changes). I've used Bridgestone S-03s and Michelin PS2s. --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:24:53 -0700 From: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Brian Ghidinelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: toyo tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How long might RA1s last if used only for street driving? Barry Brian Ghidinelli wrote: > > Carlos Lopez wrote: > >>> Carlos, in your opinion, can the RA1s endure some street driving, >>> like to and from the track? Would driving 4 hours to a track be >>> pushing things? >> >> >> I think it's sort of pushing things but yes it can be done. Jack Money > > > If you're going to drive long distances on the street, adjustable > camber plates up front help reduce the inside shoulder wear during > transit. > I drove my E30 M3 racecar with RA1s as far as 5 hours (SF to Reno and > Buttonwillow) to the track in 2003. The only sketchy trip was coming > back from Laguna Seca with near slicks on the car and getting caught > in a torrential downpour in the San Jose area. I was driving 20mph in > the slow lane to keep it on the road while fully loaded tour buses > were drowning me in their wake at 80mph. While treaded, the RA-1 is a > stickier version of a street tire. There is nothing inherently unsafe > about driving them on the street. > If you start out full tread depth instead of shaved, the tire will be > quite squirmy initially and probably go off before you run out of > tread. Shaved, I run them on my spec miata until you barely see the 3 > lines and this is when they're fastest. There's about 2 seconds a lap > (at Thunderhill in a miata at least) between enduro tires (6/32" > depth) and sprint tires (< 4/32"). I would recommend at least the > enduro shave. Plus, they look cool when they show up shaved. ;) > Brian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:46:35 -0400 From: CsWs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: toyo tires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 8/8/05, JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How long might RA1s last if used only for street driving? > Barry As long as E30 radiators last? If I had to guess 10K -- Karl #747KP http://www.elephantmotorsports.com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(14 messages) **********
