The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 882 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential Re: E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential drone Re: E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential Re: E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential Re: Ever wonder why traffic jams happen? Re: E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential drone Re: E36 rear lower control arm: stuck bolt/ was: RE: differential E30 325i camshaft needed Re: E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential Re: E36 rear suframe and diff bushings Re: E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential Akebono Brake Pads for E30? Re: Akebono Brake Pads for E30? Re: Meyle Front Control Arms
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:58:35 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> that's exactly my point ;-) Marco tends to be obtuse at times. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed MacVaugh Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:32 AM To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential The Germans had virtually exhausted their rubber supplies by 1943. Marco Romani wrote: >well here's my theory from very limited observations. > >Stock bushings go bad since they use a rubber formula in use by Germans >since 1943. > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:01:57 +0000 (GMT) From: aaron b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential drone Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This is pretty much what I was wondering too. If this would be a somewhat preventative measure to avoid the cracking that would be very nice. --- Marco Romani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > well here's my theory from very limited > observations. > > Stock bushings go bad since they use a rubber > formula in use by Germans > since 1943. The slop in the bad bushings allows the > subframe to push/pull > the studs that hold the subframe to the car > resulting in metal fatigue of > the mounting points. So if my theory is correct > then stiffer bushings would > result in fewer failures since the subframe wouldn't > have the opportunity to > "work" the mounting studs. > > Tradeoff is more NVH. > > Also be careful over speed bumps. I've seen two > E36s with subframes > practically pulled out of the mounting points and > each had some rather large > scrapes on the diff carrier that looked suspiciously > like an impact with a > speed bump or curb. > > > Marco > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf > Of aaron b > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:37 PM > To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 rear subframe and diff > bushings/ was: RE: > differential drone > > > I don't mean to steer this off the original > question, > but on a sidenote - How do uprated bushings affect > the > rear subframe mount cracking problems on these & the > E46 cars? Would stiffer bushings make the cracking > more or less likely to occur? > > Thanks. > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Model Search 2005 - Find the next catwalk > superstars - > http://uk.news.yahoo.com/hot/model-search/ > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:31:21 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That explains the population boom. - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed MacVaugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The Germans had virtually exhausted their rubber supplies by 1943. > > Marco Romani wrote: > > >well here's my theory from very limited observations. > > > >Stock bushings go bad since they use a rubber formula in use by Germans > >since 1943. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:59:37 -0800 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> so don't insert new ones using Vaseline? Barry Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks wrote: >That explains the population boom. > >- Rob > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ed MacVaugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >>The Germans had virtually exhausted their rubber supplies by 1943. >> >>Marco Romani wrote: >> >> >> >>>well here's my theory from very limited observations. >>> >>>Stock bushings go bad since they use a rubber formula in use by Germans >>>since 1943. >>> > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:52:25 -0500 From: "Tom Clark \(toclark\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Ever wonder why traffic jams happen? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Where I live, a traffic jam is when there are three cars in front of you at a stop sign... -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kazuto Okayasu Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:24 PM To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: [UUC] Ever wonder why traffic jams happen? Heh, "amateur traffic dynamicist." I actually went to school to learn the same thing (and have a degree to prove it). > Pretty interesting: > > http://www.amasci.com/amateur/traffic/traffic1.html > > Vty, > > --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:10:56 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential drone Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A rubber bushing in good condition will lower mounting stress, but if the bushing is failed, the subframe gets a running start then slams the mount. That would be a higher stress. Gary Derian > well here's my theory from very limited observations. > > Stock bushings go bad since they use a rubber formula in use by Germans > since 1943. The slop in the bad bushings allows the subframe to push/pull > the studs that hold the subframe to the car resulting in metal fatigue of > the mounting points. So if my theory is correct then stiffer bushings > would > result in fewer failures since the subframe wouldn't have the opportunity > to > "work" the mounting studs. > > Tradeoff is more NVH. > > Also be careful over speed bumps. I've seen two E36s with subframes > practically pulled out of the mounting points and each had some rather > large > scrapes on the diff carrier that looked suspiciously like an impact with a > speed bump or curb. > > > Marco > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of aaron b > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:37 PM > To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: > differential drone > > > I don't mean to steer this off the original question, > but on a sidenote - How do uprated bushings affect the > rear subframe mount cracking problems on these & the > E46 cars? Would stiffer bushings make the cracking > more or less likely to occur? > > Thanks. > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Model Search 2005 - Find the next catwalk superstars - > http://uk.news.yahoo.com/hot/model-search/ > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:25:21 -0800 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmw digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: E36 rear lower control arm: stuck bolt/ was: RE: differential Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How do I get the bolt off at the outer end of the rear lower control arm? One side came off ok. On the other arm it is stuck fused to the sleeve. When I turn the bolthead, the sleeve turns with it. The bolt won't turn in the sleeve. With hundreds or thousands of camber arm replacements done by list members, has someone has figured out a way to get this $%^& bolt out without destroying the rubber boot and swivel it goes through? Hammering with a 3 lb. mallet got nowhere. Torching would destroy the boot. What do I try next? Yelp! Barry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:46:15 -0500 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: E30 325i camshaft needed Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Machine shop says one lobe is wiped and the others quite worn. New Camko OEM cam is $230, Shrick street cam from Turner is $411. Anyone? TIA, Ed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:07:42 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 11/30/05 4:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > So I'm not alone in this horror. What is Kroil? It's a really good quality penetrating oil: <http://www.kanolabs.com/> Apparently it also works on old tractors and nuclear power plants, see: <http://www.jdheritage.net/DeerelyDeparted/Items/4001.asp > The others that people seem to like are Würth and PB Blaster. Neil 96 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:10:49 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: jkerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: E36 rear suframe and diff bushings Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 11/29/05 1:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > With the polyurethane bushings, could squeeks or ride problems some have > described be due to incorrect torqueing? Since polyurethane is a > different material with different compliance than OEM rubber bushings, > could a tigher or looser torque be better than factory spec? Polyurethane subframe bushings would typically have metal sleeves in them, in which case normal tightening torque applies. See some pix here: <http://www.akgmotorsport.com/e36products.html> It's in applications like the swaybar bushings, where the bar rotates inside the bushing itself, that squeaking is a common complaint. Incidentally I have Powerflex poly front CA and rear TA bushings. They don't squeak...yet. <g> > Is rear swaybar mounting tab breakage a problem with the stock swaybar > and mount or only stiffer ones? Always a potential problem with stiffer bars, less but still a risk with stock. But the tabs are so easy to reinforce with the subframe out, and something of a pain with it in, that it would be a shame not to. BMW improved the design slightly, but not enough, starting in 98. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:16:23 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E36 rear subframe and diff bushings/ was: RE: differential Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 11/30/05 9:58 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's where I'm stuck currently and need help: > How the %^&^&* do I get the bolt out from the end of the lower > control arm at the wheel? This list has taught me that no matter what > someone encounters, there's always someone who's suffered and solved it > before. > One side came out ok. The other bolt seems fused to the metal sleeve > inside the boot. The sleeve turns inside the boot with the bolt. the > bolt isn't turning. Can't torch it because it'll damage the boot. > Hammered the bolt head hard with a 3 pound mallet, and it won't budge. > Any ideas? Incantations possibly? One of my rear lower CA eccentric bolts corroded in place (the joys of Midwest winter driving). I soaked it in Kroil and tried again later with success. Good luck... Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:59:39 -0800 From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Akebono Brake Pads for E30? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I could swear that I saw someone here mention Akebono ceramic brake pads for the E30 325i. My usual brake pad supplier cannot find them for that application. Could whoever has them please clarify that this is correct? What was your source? Thanks, Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA 1990 325i ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:40:15 -0800 From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Akebono Brake Pads for E30? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Several of you contacted me privately to tell me that the Tire Rack sells the Akebono pads for the E30. I checked, and sure enough, they do. And lucky me, I just happen to have a couple of gift certificates for the Tire Rack! How convenient. Why my regular pad supplier can't find them is beyond me. Anyway, thanks to everyone who responded, and also to everyone who is going to respond because they haven't read this message yet. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:33:39 -0500 From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Meyle Front Control Arms Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This is pretty standard with <sub-standard> Meyle parts. Ask your local Meyle rep how many E36 hoods they replaced due to Meyle fan blade failures..... Meyle is synonymous with crap. They claim to have improved their quality and are now offering some form of warranty, but responsible and professional shops won't touch their stuff. Brett Anderson KMS-Koala Motorsport www.bmwdiffs.com 9988 Kinsman Rd Novelty, OH 44072 (Near Cleveland) Richard Dorffer wrote: > --- Michael Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>I just replaced the front control arms in my '93 325iS with ones from >>Meyle. It was not a difficult job, but it did take some big hits on the >>pickle fork to get the ball joints to pop out. I don't have a hydraulic >>press at home, so I used an air chisel to get the old bushings out and used >>a really big bench vise to put the new ones in. > > > I hope you have better luck with Meyle ball joints than I did, the ball > joints in the Meyle tie > rods I installed in two E30s were shot in less than 10k miles of very normal > highway usage. > > Regards, > > Rich ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(14 messages) **********
