The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 29 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge Re: <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge Re: <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge Re: e36 starting in gear Re: e36 starting in gear Re: <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge Re: <E30> Stroked M20 Re: <E30> Stroked M20 Re: <E30> Stroked M20 Re: <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge Re: e36 starting in gear Re: e36 starting in gear Re: e36 starting in gear Re: e36 starting in gear Re: e36 starting in gear
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:24:44 -0600 From: "Malcolm Reitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oh, OK. Try the "Prog" button for change FM2 to FM1 then. Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 16:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge Replies to your answers interpersed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] y.net To 01/11/2006 01:56 [EMAIL PROTECTED] PM cc [email protected] Subject Re: [UUC] <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge >Congratulations on the new arrival. >Barry >Answers below: > >>2. I've managed to pre-set my stations on the FM band. When it is on AM, >>the indicator says "AM". But when it is on FM, it says FM2...... >> >> >Press FM again and you will see FMA, FM1, FM2 Doesn't have an FM button, it has a Band button. Pressing Band gets either AM or FM2. Even tried holding down the Band button when I selected FM to see if it would cycle to FM1 after a few seconds. Didn't work. > Open the hidden OBC codes to the display amount of liters in the >tank to see if that number steadily decreases. If so, sticky gauge in >the dash. If not, look further into it being a sticky sender in the tank. Um, how do I "open the hidden codes"? Is there a link to a web site that describes this? Hmmz, maybe I should join an E34 board. Or RTFM. Thanks Scott Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:45:12 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I called Charlotte and told her that sticking fuel senders is apparently a known problem. I told her to go fill up, since we can't depend on the gauge's accuracy. So the answer is, I don't know how it reads when full, we haven't seen that yet. I'll check it tonight. Thanks for the link on the E34 faqs. Scott >Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:29:11 -0800 (PST) >From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >On Wed, January 11, 2006 2:18 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >> Um, how do I "open the hidden codes"? Is there a link to a web site that >> describes this? Hmmz, maybe I should join an E34 board. Or RTFM. > >One possibility to try is: >http://www.unofficialbmw.com/repair_faqs/obc.html > >(And, the "hidden codes" won't be in TFM <g> - that's why they are called >"hidden".) > >Oh, and regarding the fuel gauge issue, does the gauge read "full" when >you fill it up? There is an issue with the E36 pumps/senders, where they >will wear out and not read correctly. Just a thought, since I don't know >how many components are shared between E34s and E36s. > >Jim Bassett ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:28:22 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lambda sensors? On our just purchased car? On which we have virtually no maintenance history? And the last time it was in a dealer service department was in 1999? How should I know? Potentially 13 years and 107K miles? Or was this directed at cobbieb? Scott, answering a question with a bunch of other questions? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/11/2006 03:20 To PM [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject Re: [UUC] <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge >In a message dated 1/11/2006 5:11:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >I am always baffled about the mpg that others get. We keep track of >both cars in a small book, actually writing things down, not just >watching the guage. Only once did we get 30mpg w/the '93, and b/c it >was an exception, I'm thinking it was inaccurate. j>ust curious, how old are your lambda sensors??? > > >anxiouly awaiting, > >~Tom > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:40:15 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: e36 starting in gear Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hmmm - I have three manual cars. 95 M3, 01 540 and a 04 CTS-V. I'm pretty sure both the BMWs will move if I hit start with it in gear. My guess is there is nothing to be replaced, it just is that way. Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of P Kroon Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [UUC] e36 starting in gear I've always owned a manual, and I've never had a problem remembering to step on the clutch prior to starting the car. After purchasing my 95 M3, I wanted to test it to see if it would start in gear, and unfortunately it does. Since then, I've accidentally started it without stepping on the clutch a couple times (odd, because none of my previous cars ever did start when in gear, and I never accidentally tried to... go figure). Any advice on what needs to be replaced? Thanks, Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:47:31 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: e36 starting in gear Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Probably nothing needs to be replaced. The ability to start a manual transmission BMW in gear has come in quite handy for me when the clutch stopped working. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >From: P Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: e36 starting in gear >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >I've always owned a manual, and I've never had a >problem remembering to step on the clutch prior to >starting the car. After purchasing my 95 M3, I wanted >to test it to see if it would start in gear, and >unfortunately it does. Since then, I've accidentally >started it without stepping on the clutch a couple >times (odd, because none of my previous cars ever did >start when in gear, and I never accidentally tried >to... go figure). > >Any advice on what needs to be replaced? > >Thanks, > >Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:25:29 -0600 From: Clarence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you mean the O2 sensor (there's only one) I'm not sure. I'll have to get the book out to see when it was changed. However, I recall working on that a about a year and a half ago; I had a mechanic loosen the old one so that I wouldn't have difficulty when I did it. Clarence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 1/11/2006 5:11:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I am always baffled about the mpg that others get. We keep track of > both cars in a small book, actually writing things down, not just > watching the guage. Only once did we get 30mpg w/the '93, and b/c it > was an exception, I'm thinking it was inaccurate. > > just curious, how old are your lambda sensors??? > > > anxiouly awaiting, > > ~Tom > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/227 - Release Date: 1/11/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:51:52 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E30> Stroked M20 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes. Piston height + rod length + 1/2 stroke = block height. To have a longer stroke, one needs a shorter piston or a shorter rod. But a short rod has high angularity which is bad. If there is room in the piston, sometimes a longer rod and a very much shorter piston are used. A rod 1.75 to 2 times the stroke is considered good. Successful engines have been built with rods in the 1.6 range. Severe strokers are built down in the 1.5 range but engine life and friction suffer. Gary Derian > > When a M20 motor is stroked to say 2.9 or 3.0L, does the rod stay the same > as stock? How about the pistons? If so, doesn't this create problems at > the > top (piston above deck) and bottom of the stroke (piston too far out of > lower bore)? > > -Kevin > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:22:33 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E30> Stroked M20 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> maybe this is a dumb question but Is it piston height or wrist pin center to top of piston that you need? Or is that what piston height means? Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Derian Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] <E30> Stroked M20 Yes. Piston height + rod length + 1/2 stroke = block height. To have a longer stroke, one needs a shorter piston or a shorter rod. But a short rod has high angularity which is bad. If there is room in the piston, sometimes a longer rod and a very much shorter piston are used. A rod 1.75 to 2 times the stroke is considered good. Successful engines have been built with rods in the 1.6 range. Severe strokers are built down in the 1.5 range but engine life and friction suffer. Gary Derian > > When a M20 motor is stroked to say 2.9 or 3.0L, does the rod stay the same > as stock? How about the pistons? If so, doesn't this create problems at > the > top (piston above deck) and bottom of the stroke (piston too far out of > lower bore)? > > -Kevin > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:32:35 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E30> Stroked M20 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Center of pin to the top surface. Sometimes called compression height. On long stroke engines, often the piston skirts and crankshaft counterweights have to be trimmed to clear each other at bottom center. Gary Derian > maybe this is a dumb question but > > Is it piston height or wrist pin center to top of piston that you need? > Or > is that what piston height means? > > Marco > > > Yes. Piston height + rod length + 1/2 stroke = block height. To have a > longer stroke, one needs a shorter piston or a shorter rod. But a short > rod > has high angularity which is bad. If there is room in the piston, > sometimes > a longer rod and a very much shorter piston are used. A rod 1.75 to 2 > times > the stroke is considered good. Successful engines have been built with > rods > in the 1.6 range. Severe strokers are built down in the 1.5 range but > engine life and friction suffer. > > Gary Derian > > > >> >> When a M20 motor is stroked to say 2.9 or 3.0L, does the rod stay the >> same >> as stock? How about the pistons? If so, doesn't this create problems at >> the >> top (piston above deck) and bottom of the stroke (piston too far out of >> lower bore)? >> >> -Kevin >> > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:10:14 -0800 From: "JS Nord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Congrats on the buy. Very active E34 community on the 5 series section at www.bimmer.info . Lot's of help there. Jeff 90 535i ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:09 PM Subject: [UUC] <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge >I picked up a '93 525iA for my wife yesterday (Kaschmirbeige metallic, > Parchment leather, 107K miles). I've noticed a few issues and would > appreciate any input if you've BTDT. > > 1. The cruise control works (set, accel, decel), but after I hit the > brakes, it would not Resume. Hopefully this is not some flaky/expensive > cruise control computer. > > 2. I've managed to pre-set my stations on the FM band. When it is on AM, > the indicator says "AM". But when it is on FM, it says FM2. I can't find > any other FM bands. Is there an FM1 or other FMs? How do I get to them? > If there are no others, why does it say FM2? I could just read the > owner's > manual, but I'm lazy and yet inquisitive. > > 3. When we test-drove the car last Saturday, it had about a half a tank. > When I picked it up yesterday, it had a half a tank, and I doubt any gas > was added. I fiddled with the OBC and it was showing something like a 260 > mile range. On the trip home the OBC (after re-setting) said it was > getting 30+ MPG at a steady 70 (indicated) MPH. But halfway home I got > off the freeway to avoid a traffic jam. Took a side trip to Double 02 > Salvage for the few things I know we need. Another side trip to a > friend's > house to show him the car. And a drive home through the canyons. By the > time I got home, the average MPG was down to about 19-ish. OBC said the > range was still around 240 miles, and the gas gauge still shows half a > tank. I'm sure the tank is not as large as the Durango's (which we just > sold, 25 gallons), so I'm having trouble accepting that we've put probably > 50 miles on this car and we still have half a tank. Are sticky senders a > problem on these cars? > > I'll eventually be buying an E34 Bentley manual and an ETM for the car, so > I'll be able to research this kind of stuff on my own. But do let me know > if you have either book for sale. > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA > 1993 525iA > 1991 325iA > 1990325i > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:05:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: e36 starting in gear Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Wed, January 11, 2006 2:55 pm, P Kroon said: > Any advice on what needs to be replaced? As others have mentioned, this is normal. However, in '96 (I think) an "interlock" was added, requiring the clutch pedal to be pressed before the car will start. My '98 M3 has this, but I can't recall if the previous '96 328is did. Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - clutch in to start 1993 325is #44 JP - clutch pedal position irrelevant for starting ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:07:37 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: e36 starting in gear Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Jan 11, 2006, at 5:05 PM, Jim Bassett wrote: >> Any advice on what needs to be replaced? > > As others have mentioned, this is normal. > > However, in '96 (I think) an "interlock" was added, requiring the > clutch > pedal to be pressed before the car will start. My '98 M3 has this, > but I > can't recall if the previous '96 328is did. Your memory was correct - it appeared in 1996. - Mark ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:41:02 -0500 From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: uuc Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: e36 starting in gear Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It sure did. And we techs hated it. Having to open the car door to start the engine was something that drove us nuts in 1996. After a while you got used to it, but dozens of times a day you'd lean in the window and turn the key and nothing would happen. [EMAIL PROTECTED] When the car is on a two post lift, opening the door and getting a foot in is a pain. Having no clutch interface was, I think, a unique to BMW in the early 90s. I remember seeing a Toyota truck that had a button on the dash, beside the steering column, that was a one time over-ride. Each time you pushed it, you could start the vehicle ONCE without pressing the clutch, then it reset Brett Anderson KMS Mark Dadgar wrote: > On Jan 11, 2006, at 5:05 PM, Jim Bassett wrote: > >>> Any advice on what needs to be replaced? >> >> >> As others have mentioned, this is normal. >> >> However, in '96 (I think) an "interlock" was added, requiring the clutch >> pedal to be pressed before the car will start. My '98 M3 has this, but I >> can't recall if the previous '96 328is did. > > > Your memory was correct - it appeared in 1996. > > - Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:11:54 -0800 (PST) From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: e36 starting in gear Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The E46s have an ignition interlock so you can't start the car without pressing the clutch pedal. You can hear it click somewhere in the clutch pedal travel. --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:42:04 -0500 From: Chris Eck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: e36 starting in gear Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, you need to replace your foot on the clutch pedal before you turn the key. ;-) Chris Eck On 1/11/06, P Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've always owned a manual, and I've never had a > problem remembering to step on the clutch prior to > starting the car. After purchasing my 95 M3, I wanted > to test it to see if it would start in gear, and > unfortunately it does. Since then, I've accidentally > started it without stepping on the clutch a couple > times (odd, because none of my previous cars ever did > start when in gear, and I never accidentally tried > to... go figure). > > Any advice on what needs to be replaced? > > Thanks, > > Paul ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
