The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 30 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: e36 starting in gear Re: e36 starting in gear Re: <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge Re: <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge Re: <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge Re: <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge Re: <E30> Stroked M20 Re: e36 starting in gear Re: e36 starting in gear Re: e36 starting in gear Re: e36 starting in gear Re: e36 starting in gear Re: 1995 M3 valve cover color? 1995 M3 valve cover color? Re: e36 starting in gear
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:29:23 -0800 From: Curtis Ingraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: e36 starting in gear Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No parts replacement is needed. Use this opportunity to unlearn a bad habit. Curt Ingraham 72 2002tii Oakland, CA P Kroon wrote: > I've always owned a manual, and I've never had a > problem remembering to step on the clutch prior to > starting the car. After purchasing my 95 M3, I wanted > to test it to see if it would start in gear, and > unfortunately it does. Since then, I've accidentally > started it without stepping on the clutch a couple > times (odd, because none of my previous cars ever did > start when in gear, and I never accidentally tried > to... go figure). > > Any advice on what needs to be replaced? > > Thanks, > > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:38:29 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Maverick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: e36 starting in gear Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't know if they went cheap on the ti's or not, but my 96 318ti has no interlock to prevent starting in gear or with the clutch engaged. I actually make a habit of making sure it is neutral and starting it with the clutch engaged. I don't know if it matters in these days and with the quality of a BMW, but I was told by some very knowledgeable old school old timers to start a car this way. Seems that it prevents wear on the crank thrust bearings, especially with a heavy clutch. Kind of makes sense since you would be end loading the crank against the thrust bearing when there is no oil pressure. David in Richmond, VA -----Original Message----- >From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Jan 11, 2006 8:07 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [UUC] e36 starting in gear > >On Jan 11, 2006, at 5:05 PM, Jim Bassett wrote: >>> Any advice on what needs to be replaced? >> >> As others have mentioned, this is normal. >> >> However, in '96 (I think) an "interlock" was added, requiring the >> clutch >> pedal to be pressed before the car will start. My '98 M3 has this, >> but I >> can't recall if the previous '96 328is did. > >Your memory was correct - it appeared in 1996. > >- Mark >----- >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: >http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:55:38 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Scott, I've heard that a healthy dose of Techron can clean up the sender. I've only ever run Chevron in my cars and never had a problem with the coated sender. Of course, co-inky-dink doesn't imply causality. -Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying to the e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:15:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Wed, January 11, 2006 5:55 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Scott, > I've heard that a healthy dose of Techron can clean up the sender. I've > only ever run Chevron in my cars and never had a problem with the coated > sender. > Of course, co-inky-dink doesn't imply causality. I've heard that helping also. In my case, however, the resistive element that the float armature runs against did wear out - when one is putting ~35,000/year on the car plus track/autox events every other weekend, that's bound to happen :-) Certainly trying an inexpensive and/or non-invasive solution would be a first choice, but sometimes stuff just wears out :-) Cheers, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - 164K miles, several fuel pumps & senders 1993 325is - 121K miles, second fuel pump (preventative) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:25:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Kazuto Okayasu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At least this failure seems legit. E46 senders are known to just 'die.' My first one went out at 38k, and its replacement just died this past week 17k later. There's a new PN now so hopefully these will be better. > I've heard that helping also. In my case, however, the resistive element > that the float armature runs against did wear out - when one is putting > ~35,000/year on the car plus track/autox events every other weekend, > that's bound to happen :-) > > Certainly trying an inexpensive and/or non-invasive solution would be a > first choice, but sometimes stuff just wears out :-) > > Cheers, > Jim Bassett > 1998 M3/4 - 164K miles, several fuel pumps & senders > 1993 325is - 121K miles, second fuel pump (preventative) > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > -- Kazuto Okayasu Administrative Computing Services University of California, Irvine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:41:39 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Maverick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A large dose of Red Line #1 injector cleaner works too. David in Richmond, VA -----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Jan 11, 2006 8:55 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [UUC] <E34> Cruise Control, Radio, Fuel Gauge > > >Scott, >I've heard that a healthy dose of Techron can clean up the sender. I've >only ever run Chevron in my cars and never had a problem with the coated >sender. >Of course, co-inky-dink doesn't imply causality. > > >-Kevin > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only > for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have > been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the > intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose > the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the > sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying > to the e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and any copies of > it. Thank you. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:23:05 -0800 From: Bob Sutterfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E30> Stroked M20 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The folks at <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mod_m20> can probably provide wisdom in these areas. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:05:28 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: e36 starting in gear Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> yep. I think my Toyota 86 4x4 had one of those IIRC. It was also to be of help when 4wheeling. In some steep tricky bits you actually use the starter to crawl over stuff since it's nearly impossible to do it without burning up the clutch. or so I'm told. Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of KMS- Brett Anderson Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 5:41 PM To: uuc Digest Subject: Re: [UUC] e36 starting in gear It sure did. And we techs hated it. Having to open the car door to start the engine was something that drove us nuts in 1996. After a while you got used to it, but dozens of times a day you'd lean in the window and turn the key and nothing would happen. [EMAIL PROTECTED] When the car is on a two post lift, opening the door and getting a foot in is a pain. Having no clutch interface was, I think, a unique to BMW in the early 90s. I remember seeing a Toyota truck that had a button on the dash, beside the steering column, that was a one time over-ride. Each time you pushed it, you could start the vehicle ONCE without pressing the clutch, then it reset Brett Anderson KMS Mark Dadgar wrote: > On Jan 11, 2006, at 5:05 PM, Jim Bassett wrote: > >>> Any advice on what needs to be replaced? >> >> >> As others have mentioned, this is normal. >> >> However, in '96 (I think) an "interlock" was added, requiring the clutch >> pedal to be pressed before the car will start. My '98 M3 has this, but I >> can't recall if the previous '96 328is did. > > > Your memory was correct - it appeared in 1996. > > - Mark Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:48:09 -0500 From: "Bill Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: e36 starting in gear Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Try the 01 540, I'm betting it won't start in gear without the clutch depressed. My 00 M5 won't Bill Matthews > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Romani > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:40 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] e36 starting in gear > > Hmmm - I have three manual cars. 95 M3, 01 540 and a 04 > CTS-V. I'm pretty sure both the BMWs will move if I hit > start with it in gear. > > My guess is there is nothing to be replaced, it just is that way. > > Marco > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of P Kroon > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [UUC] e36 starting in gear > > > I've always owned a manual, and I've never had a problem > remembering to step on the clutch prior to starting the car. > After purchasing my 95 M3, I wanted to test it to see if it > would start in gear, and unfortunately it does. Since then, > I've accidentally started it without stepping on the clutch a > couple times (odd, because none of my previous cars ever did > start when in gear, and I never accidentally tried to... go figure). > > Any advice on what needs to be replaced? > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around http://mail.yahoo.com Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the > Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the > Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:16:25 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: e36 starting in gear Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> must be the CTS-V then. The CTS-V and the 540 live in the garage. I damn near launched one of them through the back wall when I was leaning into one of them to turn the key to on and "overshot". I'll experiment on both when it's safe. The 95 lives at the shop. Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill Matthews Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 5:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] e36 starting in gear Try the 01 540, I'm betting it won't start in gear without the clutch depressed. My 00 M5 won't Bill Matthews > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Romani > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:40 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] e36 starting in gear > > Hmmm - I have three manual cars. 95 M3, 01 540 and a 04 > CTS-V. I'm pretty sure both the BMWs will move if I hit > start with it in gear. > > My guess is there is nothing to be replaced, it just is that way. > > Marco > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of P Kroon > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [UUC] e36 starting in gear > > > I've always owned a manual, and I've never had a problem > remembering to step on the clutch prior to starting the car. > After purchasing my 95 M3, I wanted to test it to see if it > would start in gear, and unfortunately it does. Since then, > I've accidentally started it without stepping on the clutch a > couple times (odd, because none of my previous cars ever did > start when in gear, and I never accidentally tried to... go figure). > > Any advice on what needs to be replaced? > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around http://mail.yahoo.com Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the > Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the > Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:37:42 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: e36 starting in gear Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It would not be difficult to run a momentary contact pushbutton switch to the underside dash panel to bypass the clutch pedal interlock switch. Barry Bill Matthews wrote: >Try the 01 540, I'm betting it won't start in gear without the clutch >depressed. My 00 M5 won't > >Bill Matthews > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:04:06 -0500 From: "David Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "KMS- Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "uuc Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: e36 starting in gear Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Brett wrote: "I remember seeing a Toyota truck that had a button on the dash, beside the steering column, that was a one time over-ride. Each time you pushed it, you could start the vehicle ONCE without pressing the clutch, then it reset" Toyota still has this. This was normal on the 4x4 trucks. This was in case you were on a steep incline and needed to start the truck. This eliminated the need to push in the clutch thus eliminating the roll back when you took you foot off the brake to give it gas. Also, no switch is a benefit if the switch ever craps out on you, you stranded. I haven't ever accidentally started it in gear but I have accidentally released the clutch in the garage thinking it was in neutral. Thank god I had my foot on the brake and my garage wall is 6' from the front of the car. It does get the adrenaline pumping though. David Taylor '98 /M3 '88 911 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:46:58 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Maverick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: 1995 M3 valve cover color? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yep, same cosmoline gold finish I have on my 96ti. David in Richmond, VA -----Original Message----- >From: Dave Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Jan 11, 2006 6:22 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [UUC] 1995 M3 valve cover color? > >On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 09:08 -0500, Marc Plante wrote: >> The plastic cover itself is black. Everything under that is cast iron, >> which tends to be silver. Perhaps someone had a series of leaky valve cover >> gaskets that they didn't fix quickly. Oil running over a hot block will >> tend to turn a golden brown color as it burns. Is the block tacky/sticky at >> all? might just be a lot of sludge. >> >> You can try cleaning the area with a spray down of simple green followed by >> a careful rinse to see if it cleans off. Watch out for the airbag sensor >> switches (I usually put baggies on them) and be judicious about spraying >> under the hood in general. a clean engine compartment helps you to spot >> fluid leaks sooner rather than later. >> >> Marc Plante >> 1997 E36 M3/4 68k >> 2005 Child (learning to cope with the car) >> Vienna, VA > >What? Dirty engine and engine compartment? Not on my cars! > >Thanks to all that responded. I never thought that gold color could have >been from the cosmoline...never seen it turn quite that gold. You can >see it a little bit in this photo: > >http://tinyurl.com/byxpe > >The paint has come off the top area in the front but you can still see >the color of the paint around the edges a bit in the photo. > >Dave T. > > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:25:57 -0500 From: "Richard Sperry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: 1995 M3 valve cover color? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's silver, not a hint of gold. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:33:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Kazuto Okayasu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: e36 starting in gear Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> They changed the mechanical switch to something else starting MY02 or so. IIRC it got changed to something in the clutch guts somewhere (no more click), and it got much more difficult to do clutch stops. Sometimes it's nice to just be able to reach in the window to start the car. An interesting side-effect of this is that I've found myself on occasion to get in the car, crank the key and hold it at start, and hit the clutch to turn it over instead of the other way around. Bad bad bad! Also, FWIW, this interlock doesn't prevent you from doing an emergency pop-start. So even if the switch gets busted, you can start the car given you can get it rolling. > The E46s have an ignition interlock so you can't start the car without > pressing the clutch pedal. You can hear it click somewhere in the clutch > pedal travel. > > --Andre > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > -- Kazuto Okayasu Administrative Computing Services University of California, Irvine ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
