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  Re: <OT> Dealing with Active Autowerks
  cam specs m88/3
  Back with Another E34  535i 
  Shock mounts and suspensions (E36)
  Re: Shock mounts and suspensions (E36)
  MORE - Awesome ruling by judge!
  "Woman Dispels Rumors Of Naked Auto Show Photos"

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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:26:03 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <OT> Dealing with Active Autowerks
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>




Carlos,

Their thermostat cover claims to be forged (the other sources I believe are
cast) and the flanged part is machined flat, so I went with that one. The
order acknowledgment said $12 for shipping but they called because they
wouldn't ship it to me here at work. That's when they quoted $15 for
shipping.


-Kevin





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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:58:31 -0800
From: Dave Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <OT> Dealing with Active Autowerks
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On Monday 30 January 2006 18:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Carlos,
>
> Their thermostat cover claims to be forged (the other sources I believe are
> cast) and the flanged part is machined flat, so I went with that one. The
> order acknowledgment said $12 for shipping but they called because they
> wouldn't ship it to me here at work. That's when they quoted $15 for
> shipping.
>
>
> -Kevin

The housing they show on the website is the same cast part that everyone else 
sells...same casting marks and everything. Where do they claim its forged?

Dave

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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:43:09 -0500
From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: <OT> Dealing with Active Autowerks
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

A forged thermostat housing?  What is the point of that?  Please inspect it 
closely for forging marks and die lines.
Gary Derian
>
> Carlos,
>
> Their thermostat cover claims to be forged (the other sources I believe 
> are
> cast) and the flanged part is machined flat, so I went with that one. The
> order acknowledgment said $12 for shipping but they called because they
> wouldn't ship it to me here at work. That's when they quoted $15 for
> shipping.
>
>
> -Kevin



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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:27:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <OT> Dealing with Active Autowerks
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Gary, 

You know as well as I do that those cheap cast t-stat
housings bend any time you hit a decent pothole.

-tammer

--- Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A forged thermostat housing?  What is the point of that? 
> Please inspect it 
> closely for forging marks and die lines.
> Gary Derian


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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:54:49 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Dave Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <OT> Dealing with Active Autowerks
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Dave,
In the description thumbnail with the picture on the left.
http://www.activeautowerke.com/cooling/main.php#thousing


-Kevin



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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:13:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: Maverick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected], Dave Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <OT> Dealing with Active Autowerks
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I have seen some sellers refer to the low pressure casting technique that is 
the likely production method used on these as "forging"...it is not the same as 
a true forging, but better than just atmosphere pressure gravity casting.

David in Richmond, VA

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>Dave,
>In the description thumbnail with the picture on the left.
>http://www.activeautowerke.com/cooling/main.php#thousing
>
>
>-Kevin
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:50:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <OT> Dealing with Active Autowerks
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

--- Maverick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have seen some sellers refer to the low pressure casting >technique
that is the likely production method used on these >as "forging"...it
is not the same as a true forging, but better >than just atmosphere
pressure gravity casting.

So is Active just selling you the stock BMW part?  At $40 it seems to
be but then they charge you $15 for shipping?  Smells like a Korman
move (ridiculous handling and shipping charges).

Carlos.


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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:27:48 -0500 (EST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected] (bmw list)
Subject: Re: <OT> Dealing with Active Autowerks
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>From Maverick
>
>I have seen some sellers refer to the low pressure casting technique that is 
>the likely production method used on these as "forging"...it is not the same 
>as a true forging, but better than just atmosphere pressure gravity casting.
>
>David in Richmond, VA
>

Sounds like die casting...

For those who don't know, the standard methods of making stuff amount to:

Casting - Make a hole in the dirt in the shape you want, melt stuff, pour it
in. About as much consistency and quality as making ice-cubes. Depends quite
a bit on what you are pouring, pouring into, how you cool it, etc. Done
well, you get a nice piece to work with, done poorly, you get a misshapen
blob with bubbles and bugs inside.

Die Casting - Make a negative mold of what you want, melt stuff, inject it
into the mold under pressure. In metal it is die casting, in plastic it is
injection molding, in food it is a butter mold. Like casting in that the
quality depends on what you melt, etc, but the detail is much finer. You
usually get finished parts that don't need much if any machining and the
bugs and bubbles are largely eliminated by virtue of being converted to
pinholes and incomplete castings.

Forging - Take a lump and beat it to shape. Sometimes done hot (make the
lump mushy first), sometimes done cold (make the final lump stronger).
Almost like die casting done after the fact.

Machining - Take a lump of something and remove everything that doesn't look
like what you want. The lump usually comes from one of the above processes.
In the case of die castings, you may not do much other than clean up a face
or drill a hole or two. A regular casting or forging may need several 
processes or virtually the entire thing machined. Consider a casting or a
forging as a custom shaped lump that has little extra to remove.

Fabrication - Take stock lumps and stick them together until you get what
you want. Plate, pipe, sheet, and other stock shapes fastened together by
welding (mold-less casting in place), soldering (another mold-less casting
with massive inclusions), brazing (somewhere between soldering and welding),
threaded fasteners (friction and tension), rivets (forging selected
geometry), adhesives (friction and interatomic forces), etc.

Measure with mics, mark with chalk, cut with an axe, pound to fit and paint
to match...

-- Joe

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:40:29 -0500
From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Maverick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: <OT> Dealing with Active Autowerks
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

They don't say the part is forged, but that it is "forged to exact 
tolerance", whatever that means.

Our tolerances are EXACTLY +/- 3 feet.

Gary Derian


>I have seen some sellers refer to the low pressure casting technique that 
>is the likely production method used on these as "forging"...it is not the 
>same as a true forging, but better than just atmosphere pressure gravity 
>casting.
>
> David in Richmond, VA


>>http://www.activeautowerke.com/cooling/main.php#thousing


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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:05:24 +0100
From: "Bonjour!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: cam specs m88/3
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi,
Would someone on the list have the M88/3 camschafts technical
specifications?
These were fitted to the e24 Euro M635CSi M88/3 type engine..
Thanks
Wolf


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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:44:06 -0700
From: "Michael Holbrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Back with Another E34  535i 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Just wanted to check in after about a year of lurking without BMW.  I just 
purchased a nice Granitsilber 1992 535i 5-speed manual.  Now living in 
Meridian, Idaho, with just one independent shop here but hopefully, I can 
still do most of my own work.

Brad Houser if you are out there, please contact me as I have lost your 
email address.

Anyway, it's great to be back in a BMW.

Mike Holbrook 


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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:03:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Mr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Shock mounts and suspensions (E36)
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Greetings all,

I recently found out one of my rear shock mounts on my
95 325i w/sport package is blown and the other is on
its way out. (not bad for 226k huh!) Anyway, I was
wondering if there would be any ill effects to the
rest of the suspension if I drove around on it for a
week until I get all the parts and change them out.  

I guess this would be a good time to refresh my
suspension, which I’ve been putting off for a while
now.  I plan on doing the shocks, control arms, ball
joints, and anything else I should change while I’m at
it.  Does anyone out there have a good check list they
could forward to me?  My car is low enough so I don’t
really want to do the springs.  Would that affect the
performance of the new parts?  What would you guys
recommend for a comfortable, non bone jarring ride?  I
was thinking just factory replacement parts but was
wondering if I should upgrade to a Koni/HR, 
Bilstien/HR, or even the UUC Stage 3.  I would really
like something comparable to the M3 ride that is tight
on the turns yet will absorb the road.

  Any how too’s or suggestions would be greatly
appreciated.  Can one person do this job or should I
call for back up?  I’ll be moving to Escondido, Ca.
just in case anyone out there would like to lend a
hand.  I’ll supply the food and beverages! ;-) 


Manuel Paredes
95 325i
L.A.BMWCCA


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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:34:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Richard Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Shock mounts and suspensions (E36)
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

--- Mr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I recently found out one of my rear shock mounts on my
> 95 325i w/sport package is blown and the other is on
> its way out. (not bad for 226k huh!)

Umm, those shocks were done way before 226k.

> Anyway, I was
> wondering if there would be any ill effects to the
> rest of the suspension if I drove around on it for a
> week until I get all the parts and change them out.  

I would imagine that since it hasn't bothered you much to this point, what is 
another week...

> I guess this would be a good time to refresh my
> suspension, which I’ve been putting off for a while
> now.

You don't say...

> I plan on doing the shocks, control arms, ball
> joints, and anything else I should change while I’m at
> it.  Does anyone out there have a good check list they
> could forward to me?

Add strut mounts, control arm bushings, tie rods, and rear shock mounts at a 
minimum.  You may
want to look at your rear trailing arm bushings and possibly your subframe 
bushings too.

Good luck.

Regards,

Rich

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:36:03 -0500
From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ferrari List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "911" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        "BMW List" <[email protected]>
Subject: MORE - Awesome ruling by judge!
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Remember the Nebraska Judge that ruled going 128 mph is not necessarily
'Reckless' in and of itself?  More good news, in this vein!

Vty,

--Dennis


27 January 2006

NOT DANGEROUS DRIVING: 21-YEAR-OLD DOING 150MPH IN DAD'S PORSCHE
By Richard Smith And Allison Martin 

A YOUNG driver clocked by police doing nearly 150mph in his dad's Porsche
yesterday escaped jail after a judge ruled that his speeding was not
dangerous. 

Carpenter Nicholas Whittle, 21 - driving with no insurance - sped past a
patrol car doing more than double the 60mph limit while overtaking. 

The Vascar speeding device in the police Skoda registered the blue Y-reg
Boxster travelling at 149.9mph over a distance of 0.227 miles. 

But Recorder Caroline Lister threw the case out, saying: "He went fast for a
short time only on a straight road with excellent visibility. 

"I have to rule whether speed alone can be the basis of a dangerous driving
case. I reach the conclusion that it cannot." 

But road safety campaigners blasted her decision. The Royal Society for the
Prevention of Accidents said: "If driving at 150mph isn't dangerous driving
we don't know what is." 


Head of road safety Kevin Clinton said: "If he'd have had an accident at
that sort of speed it would almost certainly have been fatal for him or
anyone else involved." 


Road charity group Brake went one step further, saying it would be putting
in an official complaint about the ruling. 


"Our jaws dropped at this case," said chief executive Mary Williams. "It has
got to be one of the most horrendous speeding cases ever." 


Winchester crown court heard Whittle was caught speeding on the "clear and
unhampered" A3055 near his home on the Isle of Wight just before 9pm last
May 27. 


Speaking outside court, Whittle, of Totland, who was with his father Colin,
56, said: "I was really pleased with the outcome. 


It's been very stressful leading up to the case." However, he will now face
other charges of driving with excess speed and driving without insurance and
could still lose his licence. 



-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:22 AM
To: Ferrari List ([EMAIL PROTECTED]); 911 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]); BMW List
([email protected])
Subject: Awesome ruling by judge!


Cool!

Vty,

--Dennis

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Nebraska Judge Says 128 mph Not 'Reckless' Wed Dec 7, 4:35 PM ET
 
NEBRASKA CITY, Neb. - Speeding is not necessarily reckless, even at 128 mph,
a judge ruled in the case of a motorcyclist who tried to flee from state
troopers. 

With some reluctance, County Judge John Steinheider ruled last week that
Jacob H. Carman, 20, was not guilty of reckless driving on Sept. 5, when he
was spotted by a trooper who then chased him at the top speed of his
cruiser's odometer - 128 mph.

"As much as it pains me to do it, speed and speed alone is not sufficient to
establish reckless driving," the judge told Carman on Friday. "If you had
had a passenger, there would be no question of conviction. If there had been
other cars on the roadway, if you would've went into the wrong lane or
anything, I would have convicted you."

Otoe County prosecutor David Partsch acknowledged that Carman could have
been charged with speeding but, "We felt that the manner in which he was
operating the motorcycle was reckless."

Carman didn't get off entirely. He was fined $300 for expired tags and other
violations.



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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:37:39 -0500
From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ferrari List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "911" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        "BMW List" <[email protected]>
Subject: "Woman Dispels Rumors Of Naked Auto Show Photos"
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/6461863/detail.html

Woman Dispels Rumors Of Naked Auto Show Photos
'Danielle' Says She Did Not Undress

POSTED: 9:26 am EST January 26, 2006

A woman at the center of rumors she posed naked after hours at the North
American International Auto Show at Cobo Hall said she did not undress.

"I was never naked. I was never on top of the car," said the woman, who was
only identified as "Danielle."

Rumors began circulating last week of a woman who posed nude atop the Dodge
Challenger concept car after employees let her inside, Local 4 reported.
Rumors continue to circulate that photos of the woman were taken and posted
on the Internet. There were also reports that the woman may have been
drugged before the incident occurred, according to the station's reports.

Danielle said she was at the Auto Show, but was wearing "a mini-skirt, a
sheer shirt, a sweater dress, heels."

Danielle met several men who worked at the Auto Show while at the Anchor Bar
located near Cobo Hall, Local 4 reported. She said the men asked her if she
wanted to see the cars, so she went to Cobo Hall.

The woman said she did see the Dodge Challenger concept car, but she only
sat inside the vehicle and looked at the interior.

"It was blown completely out of proportion after I started seeing it on the
news," said Danielle.

Attorney Charlie Langton said, "It probably is a story just because when you
talk about nudity, you talk about the Auto Show, cars and sex, I guess, go
together. But when you really boil it down to the real basics of it, there's
just really not much there."

No legal action is planned, Local 4 reported. Danielle said she hopes the
employees who let her into the show are not fired, the station reported.

Danielle said she does not want the rumors to turn her into a modern-day
Tawny Kitaen, who is infamous for posing on the hood of a car in a
Whitesnake music video in the 1980s, Local 4 reported.




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