The BMW UUC Digest
Volume 3 : Issue 166 : "text" Format
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Re: Sears Aluminum/Steel Jack
Re: M42 Spark Plugs
Re: M42 Spark Plugs
Re: M42 Spark Plugs
E36 M3 emisions
Re: E46M3 trans and diff fluid recommendations
Email problems
Re: Opportunity to tell BMW what you're looking for
Re: Opportunity to tell BMW what you're looking for
Re: Opportunity to tell BMW what you're looking for
Re: Sears Aluminum/Steel Jack
Re: M42 Spark Plugs
Re: Sears Aluminum/Steel Jack
Re: E46M3 trans and diff fluid recommendations
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:54:08 -0500
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Sears Aluminum/Steel Jack
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
There's two models. One like you mentioned that is half aluminum and the
other more expensive one is all aluminum. I have one of each. We use them in
the shop and at the track (used everday) The all aluminum one is much more
durable. I have warrantied the one you found twice now. (failing in less
than a year). It costs more, but I would get the all aluminum one if you can
find it.
here it is:
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?cat=Mechanics+Tools&pid=00950239000&vertical=TOOL&subcat=Lift+Equipment&BV_UseBVCookie=Yes
Jon
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "BMW CR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:32 PM
Subject: [CR] Sears Aluminum/Steel Jack
> Has anybody checked out this aluminum/steel jack at Sears? Is it the
> same one they have had around for awhile? Any indication that the steel
> part makes significantly better than the crap aluminum ones being sold
> elsewhere? Not looking to start the old aluminum jack thread again ...
>
> Stan
>
>
> Item# 50240
>
> http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&cat=Mechanics+Tools&subcat=Lift+Equipment&pid=00950240000
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:00:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: P Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: M42 Spark Plugs
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Clarification: It only gave me the CO and HC numbers.
The CO numbers are well below the limits while the HC
number was 540 (limit is 220). The operator couldn't
get a good ground, so the computer wasn't reading the
RPMs correctly either. At idle, the rpms were reading
about 2400 while the car was idling. He just measured
it that way and didn't change the engine speed during
the test (which is a two part test, idling (rpms below
1200) and moderate engine speed (rpms between 2-3K).
He claims that this helped me, though I don't know for
sure.
-Paul
95 M3
--- P Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It only gave me the CO numbers which were well below
> the limits.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> A little history. The car has about 85K miles now
> and
> had a bad O2 sensors (which, for unimportant
> reasons,
> I wasn't able to change as quickly as I would have
> liked), so I ended up putting about 5-6K miles on
> with
> the bad O2. I'm wondering if I toasted the cat?? I
> seem to recall there being a lot of discussion
> regarding plug type with BMWs, and that certain
> types
> of plugs should be avoided. I didn't consider this
> when I replaced the plug about 10K miles ago, but I
> think they are platinum if that helps.
>
> Car seems to run absolutely fine otherwise, ideas
> fine
> (as best as I can tell), good power and gets about
> 25
> mpg with "enthusiastic" highway driving :) The mpg
> didn't change at all after I replaced the O2 sensor.
>
>
> -Paul
> 95 M3
>
>
> --- Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The short elephant trunk that connects the coil to
> > the plug is captures so
> > no worries about that. What were your other
> > emissions numbers?
> > Gary Derian
> >
> >
> > > Question: How noticeable would a misfire caused
> > by
> > > dielectric grease be? The reason I ask is my 95
> > M3
> > > (which I changed the plugs back in Oct/Nov and
> > used
> > > dielectric grease thinking I was going "the
> extra
> > > mile"), just failed HC emissions (limit is 220
> and
> > > mine was 540). I don't really notice any
> > skipping,
> > > but then again maybe I'm just used to it?? I'm
> > just
> > > trying to hunt down what the problem might be.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Paul
> > > 95 M3
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Gary,
> > >> If you intend to put Dielectric grease on the
> > plug
> > >> ends of the wires,
> > >> don't. Seal's on the BMW wires are very good
> and
> > >> won't allow much , if any,
> > >> moisture into the connector end. The problem
> with
> > >> grease is that it can in
> > >> fact cause the boot to come off of the plug and
> > then
> > >> the resulting misfire
> > >> will cause raw fuel to get pumped into the cat
> > and
> > >> this will cause the cat
> > >> to go red hot and fail. Just make sure the plug
> > >> insulator is clean when
> > >> installing.
> > >>
> > >> Also, a piece of straight rubber hose that
> snugs
> > on
> > >> the insulator can aid
> > >> in putting it into the plug hole if your 16mm
> > socket
> > >> doesn't have the
> > >> rubber insert.
> > >>
> > >> If the '91 has distributorless ignition than
> just
> > >> dress the low voltage
> > >> side of the connector to the coils with
> Stabilant
> > or
> > >> DeOxit gold.
> > >>
> > >> -Kevin
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:48:01 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: M42 Spark Plugs
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Paul,
I meant that the plug end of the boot could come off the plug completely
and this type of misfire would be immediately noticable as would the heat
from the catalytic converter.Also the heat from the engine could vaporize
some of the grease, build pressure within the boot and help to "blow" the
boot off the plug.
-Kevin
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:04:35 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: M42 Spark Plugs
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Kevin, I'm not Gary, but thanks for the input on the di-electric grease.
I'll continue to not use it like I haven't for the last 35 years. And
Neil, Jim Ochi said the same thing (privately) about using a 5/8" socket,
so I'll look for one (or the 16mm) this week. Otherwise I can just get
creative with hose, grappler tools and all kinds of other interesting bits.
I'll still need a 16mm deep socket for breaking it loose and final torque.
Scott Miller
GGC BMW CCA
>Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:54:52 -0700
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: M42 Spark Plugs
>Message-ID: <OF4CCF32DE.394B33B2-ON88257184.0061B382-88257184.006266
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>Gary,
>If you intend to put Dielectric grease on the plug ends of the wires,
>don't. Seal's on the BMW wires are very good and won't allow much , if
any,
>moisture into the connector end. The problem with grease is that it can in
>fact cause the boot to come off of the plug and then the resulting misfire
>will cause raw fuel to get pumped into the cat and this will cause the cat
>to go red hot and fail. Just make sure the plug insulator is clean when
>installing.
>
>Also, a piece of straight rubber hose that snugs on the insulator can aid
>in putting it into the plug hole if your 16mm socket doesn't have the
>rubber insert.
>
>If the '91 has distributorless ignition than just dress the low voltage
>side of the connector to the coils with Stabilant or DeOxit gold.
>
>-Kevin
>>>>>
>Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:10:44 -0400
>From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: M42 Spark Plugs
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>5/8" = 15.875mm or 16mm close enough, so for spark plugs they're often
sold
>as the same thing.
<snip>
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:08:53 -0400
From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "P Kroon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]>
Subject: E36 M3 emisions
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
High HC and low CO means misfire. Low CO also means the cat is working at
least a little. Misfire feeds fuel and oxygen to the cat causing it to get
very hot.
Use stock type Bosch plugs. If you got the aftermarket Bosch platinum
plugs, that could be a problem.
Gary Derian
> It only gave me the CO numbers which were well below
> the limits.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> A little history. The car has about 85K miles now and
> had a bad O2 sensors (which, for unimportant reasons,
> I wasn't able to change as quickly as I would have
> liked), so I ended up putting about 5-6K miles on with
> the bad O2. I'm wondering if I toasted the cat?? I
> seem to recall there being a lot of discussion
> regarding plug type with BMWs, and that certain types
> of plugs should be avoided. I didn't consider this
> when I replaced the plug about 10K miles ago, but I
> think they are platinum if that helps.
>
> Car seems to run absolutely fine otherwise, ideas fine
> (as best as I can tell), good power and gets about 25
> mpg with "enthusiastic" highway driving :) The mpg
> didn't change at all after I replaced the O2 sensor.
>
> -Paul
> 95 M3
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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:42:55 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: E46M3 trans and diff fluid recommendations
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Timely thread, as 'Jack is ready for another trans fluid
replacement. He's had Redline MTL for the first 50k, then D4 for the
next 75k. MTL might have shifted a bit quicker but maybe stiffer when
cold, D4 is smoother all around.
Any long term experiences with using a mix?
What about mixing 75w90 instead of 75w140?
tia,
Barry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>BMW has a newer trans fluid that comes standard in (I
>believe) '04 M3s and newer... it's MTF-LT-2 and does make
>the trans feel smother than the previous LT-1.
>Of course, my long-time favorite has been Redline D4 ATF for
>greatest smoothness. You can also try a mix of either MTL
>or 75W-140NS (make sure it's "NS") and D4 ATF. The
>75W-140NS and D4 mix is what I use in my '98 M3 with E46 M3
>gearbox transplant.
>- Rob
>
>
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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:27:10 -0400
From: "Lucas Wickard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Email problems
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi,
I have just started recieving a large amount of emails coming from your
website from mutiple senders. The emails appear to be from a message board
or somthing. I have been getting dozen's of them a day over the past two
days and i don't konw why and it's getting annoying. I'm not sure what the
problem is but i would like to know waht is going on. I don't even ever
remember using ur site at all, alhtough i do occasionally use other bmw
message boards. Please reply with any helpful information. Thanks,
Luke
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:25:41 -0700
From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Opportunity to tell BMW what you're looking for
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Jun 5, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Kazuto Okayasu wrote:
> Not to be a downer or anything, but considering the proliferation
> of less-than-legitimate things on the 'Net, is there some way to
> verify that this is legitimate and done with the knowledge of
> BMWNA? Even a press release at bmwusa.com stating that they are in
> business with these folks would help.
>
> I work in the public sector so this type of stuff is always at the
> top of my thoughts.
It's legit. Raf and I both got it from the Executive Director of BMW
CCA.
- Mark
-----
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:28:53 -0700
From: Bob Sutterfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Opportunity to tell BMW what you're looking for
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On 6/5/06 1:25 PM, "Mark Dadgar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jun 5, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Kazuto Okayasu wrote:
>> Not to be a downer or anything, but considering the proliferation
>> of less-than-legitimate things on the 'Net, is there some way to
>> verify that this is legitimate and done with the knowledge of
>> BMWNA? Even a press release at bmwusa.com stating that they are in
>> business with these folks would help.
>
> It's legit. Raf and I both got it from the Executive Director of BMW
> CCA.
BMW CCA != BMW NA
It's plausible that Wynne was approached without BMW NA's knowledge, as a
way to pseudo-authenticate exactly this sort of ploy.
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:15:26 -0700
From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Opportunity to tell BMW what you're looking for
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:28 PM, Bob Sutterfield wrote:
>>> Not to be a downer or anything, but considering the proliferation
>>> of less-than-legitimate things on the 'Net, is there some way to
>>> verify that this is legitimate and done with the knowledge of
>>> BMWNA? Even a press release at bmwusa.com stating that they are in
>>> business with these folks would help.
>>
>> It's legit. Raf and I both got it from the Executive Director of BMW
>> CCA.
>
> BMW CCA != BMW NA
>
> It's plausible that Wynne was approached without BMW NA's
> knowledge, as a
> way to pseudo-authenticate exactly this sort of ploy.
Yes, it's possible that if you are incredibly pedantic, you might
come up with a scenario like this.
Otherwise, I will just assume that Wynne, who has a very good track
record, checked this one out herself before passing it along.
- Mark
-----
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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:53:37 -0400
From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Sears Aluminum/Steel Jack
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
on 6/5/06 4:14 PM, "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has anybody checked out this aluminum/steel jack at Sears? Is it the same
> one they have had around for awhile? Any indication that the steel part
> makes significantly better than the crap aluminum ones being sold elsewhere?
> Not looking to start the old aluminum jack thread again ...
I see that it weighs a hefty 55.4 lbs, which sounds like more steel than
aluminum. I have a couple of steel - Iron? Tungsten? Depleted uranium? -
Lincolns at home that weigh a massive 96 lb each, but then they don't get
taken anywhere.
For track use I just bought one of the newer small frame aluminum jacks from
HF: <http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=91039>
It's lighter (24.2 lb) and easier to pack than their original Al jack.
Neil - Your garage can never have too many jacks!
96 M3
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:14:18 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: M42 Spark Plugs
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Interspersalmazations:
>Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:34:31 -0700
>From: Bob Sutterfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[email protected]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: M42 Spark Plugs
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>On 6/5/06 8:44 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> If I may ask a follow-up question or two, does the M42 in the E36
>> use the same spark plugs as the M42 in the E30?
>
>I don't know. I ordered plugs and wires from Steve Haygood; he always
sends
>the right stuff and cheap. Does the glovebox owner's manual specify a
plug?
The owner's manual does specify a plug, but I already have the right plugs
(Bosch Super Plus) from Double 02 Salvage. I was only asking because a
different plug (E36 application) might require a different tightening
torque.
>> And where is the best kind of
>> place to buy di-electric grease?
>
>NAPA? Checker/Kragen/Shucks? Pep Boyzzz? Lowes? Home Depot? It's
pretty
>common stuff. I slather it liberally under the hood to forestall
corrosion.
After Kevin's comment, I've decided against the di-electric grease for the
spark plug connections. I was only asking because Mark, while riding on
some noisy public transit contraption/conveyance yesterday, took my cell
phone call and happened to mention that he used the grease. Not having any
manual that covers that engine, I did not know if di-electric grease was a
BMW-recommended service procedure on the plug connections, or not. Sounds
like it can cause more problems than it could solve, and anyway, I have
never had a spark plug connection problem in the past, so why start now?
<snip>
>> This would, of course, have deprived everyone else
>> of the opportunity to make snide comments and critical
>> remarks, so public posting was definitely the way to go.
>
>Likewise, you and I both would have missed the opportunity to expound
>publicly upon my shoddy, slipshod, haphazard, half-assed maintenance
>practices. You'll note I didn't send *my* daughter to SLO in that car :-)
I'm more interested in what kinds of creatures you had living under the
hood. All those acorns could not just have wound up under the hood by
accident. I shook a few out of the air filter box too. Fortunately the
filter was able to keep them from passing through into the engine. :^)
Scott Miller
GGC BMW CCA
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 18:01:40 -0400
From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Sears Aluminum/Steel Jack
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To summarize the jack feedback from multiple lists:
I've had quite a few positive responses to this Sear's jack (# 50240) and to
a similar one, item #
50239. They are sort of companion models. The 50239 model is all aluminum,
lifts more, and is
lighter (44lbs). The 50240 model actually says it is aluminzed steel(?),
lifts less, and weighs 55lbs. I
don't know whether it is part steel/part aluminum, or actually some sort of
funky steel construction.
Most people seem to prefer the more expensive all aluminum model, for weight
AND durability. I
thought the 50240 model sounded pretty good -- sacrifice some lifting
ability and heavier weight for
stronger steel construction. However, it seems the 50240 model is just a
cheaper version that is
similar to the 50239 model.
Thanks all,
Stan
> From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Stan Jackson Jr. wrote:
> > Item# 50240
> >
> >
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&c
> > at=Mechanics+Tools&subcat=Lift+Equipment&pid=00950240000
>
> I've had one for a bit over a year, and haven't had any problem with it,
> except for some squeaking noises. I mostly only change brakes and fluids
> on my car, so it hasn't been subjected to heavy use. It's a little
> difficult to modulate the release, but OK after a bit of practice.
>
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:56:40 -0400
From: "Michael Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: E46M3 trans and diff fluid recommendations
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of Neil Maller
> > I am curious IF anyone uses Mobil-1s Synthetic ATF??? I think its even
> more
> > viscous at low temps. Any feedback???
> I've been using this for years in my E36 M3 track car. Works fine cold or
> hot. I change it every two years.
I used Mobile 1 syn ATF in both my M3 street car and M3 LTW race car. I
tried Redline in both and noticed a distinct change between services.
Mobile 1 tends to stay smooth the entire time between changes.
I also had an issue with 2 bottles of Redline gear oil, it appeared that the
additives feel out of suspension in the oil and formed a thick, gooey gunk
about 2inches thick at the bottom. No amount of shaking, stirring etc
helped. Redline seemed to think I had old oil but I was shocked that such
a highly recommend oil would separate like that. I had it aprx 2 months
and figure that it could not have been more than 1.5yrs old at the time
given the bottle design. I've had Mobil 1 on the shelf for 2plus years
and it looked fine. ?
Mike
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