The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 148 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Plugs and wires Re: Plugs and wires Re: Plugs and wires Re: Plugs and wires Re: Plugs and wires Re: Plugs and wires Re: Plugs and wires Re: Plugs and wires Re: Plugs and wires Re: Plugs and wires Re: Plugs and wires Re: Plugs and wires Re: Plugs and wires Re: Plugs and wires
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:05:23 -0400 From: "John Peacock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Plugs and wires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Which ones have proven to be the best. The 328 has developed a bad studder on accelleration lately. Not all the time, but admitedly I have not kept up the maintanance. It is currently the wife's daily driver with nearly 100k on it. The only thing I have ever done is oil and filter changes, tires and suspension most recently because the origional was worn out. So it is time to do some general maintanance. SO I am planning on doing plugs wires(does this thing have a cap and rotor) fuel filter, tranny fluid, rear end fluid, and possibly O2 sensors. ANything else you can think of?? So which plugs and wires are tried and true?? How about recommended fluids, fuel filter etc etc?? Thanks in advance John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 17:01:03 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Peacock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Plugs and wires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There are no plug wires. Only the front O2 sensors need to be changed. For the trans use Redline D4 ATF. For the diff, Redline 70w90. Change the air filter too, or install a washable type like K&N. You might like the results with Bosch Platinum plugs, my //M3 does, others will argue against them. hth, Barry John Peacock wrote: >Which ones have proven to be the best. > >The 328 has developed a bad studder on accelleration lately. Not all the >time, but admitedly I have not kept up the maintanance. It is currently the >wife's daily driver with nearly 100k on it. The only thing I have ever done >is oil and filter changes, tires and suspension most recently because the >origional was worn out. > >So it is time to do some general maintanance. SO I am planning on doing >plugs wires(does this thing have a cap and rotor) fuel filter, tranny fluid, >rear end fluid, and possibly O2 sensors. ANything else you can think of?? > >So which plugs and wires are tried and true?? How about recommended fluids, >fuel filter etc etc?? > >Thanks in advance >John > > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 21:04:57 -0400 From: "John Peacock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Plugs and wires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OK so this tranny is a 5 speed. Does it still take ATF? My Porsche and Triumph both took atf in the 5 speeds too, so it does not surprise me. I allready did an air filter, but want to do a CAI, so I am not going to invest in a K&N yet. Thanks for all the input. John ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "John Peacock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] Plugs and wires > There are no plug wires. > Only the front O2 sensors need to be changed. For the trans use Redline > D4 ATF. For the diff, Redline 70w90. > Change the air filter too, or install a washable type like K&N. > You might like the results with Bosch Platinum plugs, my //M3 does, others > will argue against them. > hth, > Barry > > John Peacock wrote: > >>Which ones have proven to be the best. >> >>The 328 has developed a bad studder on accelleration lately. Not all the >>time, but admitedly I have not kept up the maintanance. It is currently >>the wife's daily driver with nearly 100k on it. The only thing I have >>ever done is oil and filter changes, tires and suspension most recently >>because the origional was worn out. >> >>So it is time to do some general maintanance. SO I am planning on doing >>plugs wires(does this thing have a cap and rotor) fuel filter, tranny >>fluid, rear end fluid, and possibly O2 sensors. ANything else you can >>think of?? >> >>So which plugs and wires are tried and true?? How about recommended >>fluids, fuel filter etc etc?? >> >>Thanks in advance >>John >> >>Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >> >>__________________________________________________________________________ >>In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. >> >>UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >>Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >>908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 21:08:36 -0400 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Plugs and wires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ATF, I recommend redline. I do not recommend a cold air intake, because you already have a well engineered one present on your car. Ed John Peacock wrote: > OK so this tranny is a 5 speed. Does it still take ATF? My Porsche and > Triumph both took atf in the 5 speeds too, so it does not surprise me. > > I allready did an air filter, but want to do a CAI, so I am not going to > invest in a K&N yet. > > Thanks for all the input. > John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 21:17:23 -0400 From: "John Peacock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ed MacVaugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Plugs and wires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Has anyone done any dyno pulls back to back to confirm this? I pulled out the little spout as recommended by many, in the housing and felt no change. We will pick up some Redline tomorrow. Thanks again John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed MacVaugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] Plugs and wires > ATF, I recommend redline. > > I do not recommend a cold air intake, because you already have a well > engineered one present on your car. > > Ed > > John Peacock wrote: > >> OK so this tranny is a 5 speed. Does it still take ATF? My Porsche and >> Triumph both took atf in the 5 speeds too, so it does not surprise me. >> >> I allready did an air filter, but want to do a CAI, so I am not going to >> invest in a K&N yet. >> >> Thanks for all the input. >> John > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 18:20:23 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Peacock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Plugs and wires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Instead of a CAI, try Rob's Viper Airbox. It is an actual airbox with internal cup filter. Barry John Peacock wrote: >OK so this tranny is a 5 speed. Does it still take ATF? My Porsche and >Triumph both took atf in the 5 speeds too, so it does not surprise me. >I allready did an air filter, but want to do a CAI, so I am not going to >invest in a K&N yet. >Thanks for all the input. >John > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 21:26:15 -0400 From: "John Peacock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Plugs and wires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How do I find Robs Viper Airbox? Does he have a website? Thanks agian John ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "John Peacock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] Plugs and wires > Instead of a CAI, try Rob's Viper Airbox. It is an actual airbox with > internal cup filter. > Barry > > John Peacock wrote: > >>OK so this tranny is a 5 speed. Does it still take ATF? My Porsche and >>Triumph both took atf in the 5 speeds too, so it does not surprise me. >>I allready did an air filter, but want to do a CAI, so I am not going to >>invest in a K&N yet. >>Thanks for all the input. >>John >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:32:07 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Plugs and wires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Don't use the Bosch aftermarket type platinum plugs. The OEM Bosch plugs are fine. Also do not use a K&N filter. They admit dirt and no additional air. Red Line is OK. Look in the owners manual and perform everything on the inspection 2 list. This is a good time to change the drive belts also. Gary Derian > There are no plug wires. > Only the front O2 sensors need to be changed. For the trans use Redline > D4 ATF. For the diff, Redline 70w90. > Change the air filter too, or install a washable type like K&N. > You might like the results with Bosch Platinum plugs, my //M3 does, others > will argue against them. > hth, > Barry > > John Peacock wrote: > >>Which ones have proven to be the best. >> >>The 328 has developed a bad studder on accelleration lately. Not all the >>time, but admitedly I have not kept up the maintanance. It is currently >>the wife's daily driver with nearly 100k on it. The only thing I have >>ever done is oil and filter changes, tires and suspension most recently >>because the origional was worn out. >> >>So it is time to do some general maintanance. SO I am planning on doing >>plugs wires(does this thing have a cap and rotor) fuel filter, tranny >>fluid, rear end fluid, and possibly O2 sensors. ANything else you can >>think of?? >> >>So which plugs and wires are tried and true?? How about recommended >>fluids, fuel filter etc etc?? >> >>Thanks in advance >>John >> >>Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >> >>__________________________________________________________________________ >>In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. >> >>UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >>Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >>908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com >> >> >> > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:05:05 -0400 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Plugs and wires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You have no plug wires and BMW ones last an incredibly long time on those cars that do have them. I use NGK multiple electrode plugs, I also recommend Bosch. Ed John Peacock wrote: > Which ones have proven to be the best. > > The 328 has developed a bad studder on accelleration lately. Not all the > time, but admitedly I have not kept up the maintanance. It is currently the > wife's daily driver with nearly 100k on it. The only thing I have ever done > is oil and filter changes, tires and suspension most recently because the > origional was worn out. > > So it is time to do some general maintanance. SO I am planning on doing > plugs wires(does this thing have a cap and rotor) fuel filter, tranny fluid, > rear end fluid, and possibly O2 sensors. ANything else you can think of?? > > So which plugs and wires are tried and true?? How about recommended fluids, > fuel filter etc etc?? > > Thanks in advance > John > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:19:12 -0400 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Plugs and wires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Did you mean "stutter" or "judder"? ;-) As already noted, you don't have traditional wires nor a cap/rotor assembly. However, you do have what BMW calls a "spark plug socket", effectively a hard wire connecting the cylinder's individual coil pack with the sparkplug. These should be replaced as they degrade/burn out just like wires. See part #3: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BG13&mospid=47485&btnr=12_0425&hg=12&fg=05 Not to be overlooked is the ignition coils themselves; while long-lived, they can fail and definitely do function sub-optimally after 70K miles. At $60 each, not cheap - change the sockets first and see if that helps. O2 sensor - good idea to change. Air filter - NO K&N. No oiled gauze in a car with HFM (which means just about all BMWs built from late '80s onward). Not looking to spark the inevitable debate, but too many of these have correlated with enough problems to avoid the obvious connection. Stick with a good foam filter or OE. - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Peacock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: [UUC] Plugs and wires Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:05:23 -0400 > Which ones have proven to be the best. > > The 328 has developed a bad studder on accelleration > lately. Not all the time, but admitedly I have not kept > up the maintanance. It is currently the wife's daily > driver with nearly 100k on it ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 21:27:46 -0400 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Plugs and wires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> They just pull right off. As there is a rubber seal, you may encounter a seal vacuum... pull harder and -POP!- off they come. - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UUC] Plugs and wires > Rob, > Darn. You just cost me $80. With 120k on the car, > sounds like something worth changing. Didn't know these > were separable from the coil. How are they removed > without damaging the coil housing? tia, > Barry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 21:34:43 -0400 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Plugs and wires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Sputter" is "to make sporadic spitting or popping sounds" which an engine certainly can do, and "judder" is "to shake or vibrate rapidly and intensively", likewise something a poorly-running engine can do. Subtlety being an unappreciated art, it was a joke - there is no such word as "spudder" unless you're referring to a person or thing that "spuds". Not quite sure to what exact action involving starchy edible tubers this verb refers, yet I am quite certain it's nothing a BMW engine can do. You might also want to run through a bottle of Techron to clean the injectors. - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Peacock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [UUC] Plugs and wires Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 21:15:04 -0400 > X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=1, out=0, spam=0 > X-External-IP: 65.32.5.135 > > It is hard to explain. It runs perfect when it is cool > outside or the car is cool. Once hot, upon first taking > off from a stop it sputters. If you full throttle it, > you can get past the sputter. But when you shift is spits > once more tehn seems to run fine as long as you stay in > the throttle. No check engine lights. No codes. I have > the Peake code reader and SRS reader. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:19 PM > Subject: Re: [UUC] Plugs and wires > > > > Did you mean "stutter" or "judder"? ;-) > > > > As already noted, you don't have traditional wires nor a > > cap/rotor assembly. > > > > However, you do have what BMW calls a "spark plug > > socket", effectively a hard wire connecting the > > cylinder's individual coil pack with the sparkplug. > > These should be replaced as they degrade/burn out just > like wires. > > > See part #3: > > > http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BG13&mospid=47485&btnr=12_0425&hg=12&fg=05 > > > > Not to be overlooked is the ignition coils themselves; > > while long-lived, they can fail and definitely do > > function sub-optimally after 70K miles. At $60 each, > > not cheap - change the sockets first and see if that > helps. > > > O2 sensor - good idea to change. > > > > Air filter - NO K&N. No oiled gauze in a car with HFM > > (which means just about all BMWs built from late '80s > > onward). Not looking to spark the inevitable debate, > > but too many of these have correlated with enough > > problems to avoid the obvious connection. Stick with a > > good foam filter or OE. > > > > - Rob > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Peacock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Subject: [UUC] Plugs and wires > > Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:05:23 -0400 > > > >> Which ones have proven to be the best. > >> > >> The 328 has developed a bad studder on accelleration > >> lately. Not all the time, but admitedly I have not > kept >> up the maintanance. It is currently the wife's > daily >> driver with nearly 100k on it > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > t.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > ________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, > enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of > > the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 18:14:39 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Plugs and wires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Rob, Darn. You just cost me $80. With 120k on the car, sounds like something worth changing. Didn't know these were separable from the coil. How are they removed without damaging the coil housing? tia, Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Did you mean "stutter" or "judder"? ;-) >As already noted, you don't have traditional wires nor a >cap/rotor assembly. >However, you do have what BMW calls a "spark plug socket", >effectively a hard wire connecting the cylinder's individual >coil pack with the sparkplug. These should be replaced as >they degrade/burn out just like wires. >See part #3: >http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BG13&mospid=47485&btnr=12_0425&hg=12&fg=05 > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 21:15:04 -0400 From: "John Peacock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Plugs and wires Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It is hard to explain. It runs perfect when it is cool outside or the car is cool. Once hot, upon first taking off from a stop it sputters. If you full throttle it, you can get past the sputter. But when you shift is spits once more tehn seems to run fine as long as you stay in the throttle. No check engine lights. No codes. I have the Peake code reader and SRS reader. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] Plugs and wires > Did you mean "stutter" or "judder"? ;-) > > As already noted, you don't have traditional wires nor a > cap/rotor assembly. > > However, you do have what BMW calls a "spark plug socket", > effectively a hard wire connecting the cylinder's individual > coil pack with the sparkplug. These should be replaced as > they degrade/burn out just like wires. > > See part #3: > http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BG13&mospid=47485&btnr=12_0425&hg=12&fg=05 > > Not to be overlooked is the ignition coils themselves; while > long-lived, they can fail and definitely do function > sub-optimally after 70K miles. At $60 each, not cheap - > change the sockets first and see if that helps. > > O2 sensor - good idea to change. > > Air filter - NO K&N. No oiled gauze in a car with HFM > (which means just about all BMWs built from late '80s > onward). Not looking to spark the inevitable debate, but > too many of these have correlated with enough problems to > avoid the obvious connection. Stick with a good foam filter > or OE. > > - Rob > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Peacock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [UUC] Plugs and wires > Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:05:23 -0400 > >> Which ones have proven to be the best. >> >> The 328 has developed a bad studder on accelleration >> lately. Not all the time, but admitedly I have not kept >> up the maintanance. It is currently the wife's daily >> driver with nearly 100k on it > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(14 messages) **********
