The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 79 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Choice of oil Re: Choice of oil Re: Choice of oil Re: Choice of oil Re: Choice of oil Re: Choice of oil Re: Choice of oil Re: Choice of oil Re: Choice of oil Floatin' in the bay. E32/E31 stuff Re: <E30> Exxon Valdez goes on Re: E34 525iA motor stumble & sword Re: [bimmerheads] Choice of oil Re: [bimmerheads] Choice of oil
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:06:48 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: Choice of oil Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In a message dated 26.02.2006 19:43:55 Westeuropäische Normalzeit, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not all Castrol Syntec oils are created equally... :-) Regards, Rich - has a fair bit of German made Castrol Syntec 0W30 in stock ................................ Hi Guys, Speaking of motor oil. I find oil a "almost" religious-like topic when you ask any car guy. Everyone has their favorite and favorite blend; ie: weight/viscosity(Sp?). But ONE topic no one has brought up is Bmw's advice! Why is it that BMW makes model specific motor oil! Maybe this is one reason why Bmw even says no warmup period is required when reving up a "plain" motor. For teh M cars they have thier Christmas tree lights on the tach. Before I get flamed for the above statement... what I mean is Bmw use to recomend waiting until teh engine warms up before sustained revs. Now I think(due in part to thier Polizei models and feed-back) that thier are no set warm up . I think I read that in AutoWeek or in Bimmer. I forget. Anyway... my point is that BMW has specific oil for thier new engines. And... you can not buy it from anywhere else but your dealer. That said: my religious preference is to Mobil-1. 15W-50 in the summer and 0W-30 in the winter. I am sure others will have thier favorites. Take care David Jalali Bamberg, Germany ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:13:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Kazuto Okayasu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: Choice of oil Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Anyway... my point is that BMW has specific oil for thier new engines. > And... > you can not buy it from anywhere else but your dealer. > > That said: my religious preference is to Mobil-1. 15W-50 in the summer and > 0W-30 in the winter. I am sure others will have thier favorites. > That's not entirely true. I don't know what BMW dealers in Germany sell over the counter, but BMWNA markets one 5w-30 'synthetic' product for retroactive use in all cars except S54/S62. And BMW publishes specifications that can be met by any oil company (currently LL-04, supersceding LL-01 and LL-98) and BMW will publish 3rd party product meeting spec in their Approved Oils list. As for viscosity, BMW claims any oil meeting any of the LL specs can be used regardless of temperature. This stuff is all published in BMW TIS, Operating Fluids, Group 11. Now, that's what's in "the Book" but as with any "religion" it's common to read between the lines and otherwise interpret what's in the good "Book." As for me, I run either LL-98 (M1 5w-30, Valvoline 5w-40) or LL-01 (M1 0w-40) in my M54, and will probably try the 5w-40 in the S38 after Valvoline DuraBlend successfully weaned it off of whatever conventional stuff the PO ran. > Take care > David Jalali > Bamberg, Germany > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > -- Kazuto Okayasu Administrative Computing Services University of California, Irvine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:09:52 -0500 From: "Rich Dorffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Choice of oil Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Speaking of motor oil. I find oil a "almost" religious-like topic > when you > ask any car guy. Everyone has their favorite and favorite blend; ie: > weight/viscosity(Sp?). Sure do, much of it uninformed. > But ONE topic no one has brought up is Bmw's advice! > Why is it that BMW > makes model specific motor oil! Huh? Model specific motor oil? I don't know what you mean. > Anyway... my point is that BMW has specific oil for thier new > engines. And... > you can not buy it from anywhere else but your dealer. There are tons of oil choices out there that meet BMW's LL-98 and LL-01 specs. You can buy oil that meets these specs at tens of thousands locations throughout the US other than BMW dealers. Regards, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:57:49 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: Choice of oil Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Gary, For the euro market Mobil-1 has different blends and different weights, than in the USA. And for that matter most oil companies offer different products. Part of it is the rating system (API/SAE vs GS TüV), part of it is to do with being euro I guess. ? A five liter bottle of Mobil-1 sells for â¬55 (on sale! That is about $66 for FIVE liters!!!!) IF you buy/need oil while on an autobahn rest platz, you will pay more. Much more. Most gas stations charge â¬8 to â¬12 for Dino oil and upwards of â¬20 per liter for the good stuff(and synthetic) oil. Oils and fuels are taxed like you would not believe. I think for every euro in gasoline you pay something like seventy three cents are tax!!!! A FIVE liter bottle of Valvoline for â¬12. The most expensive was for LiquMolly Sytethic for â¬89 for FIVE liters, also at a "discount" auto parts place. I buy my oil on-base (a US Army base). ie: what I buy is the same stuff you can buy at say at Walmart. All the stuff on-base is imported without German tax and is the same stuff that you can buy in teh states. Except it come sover on a boat ride that takes two months! lolol Btw... ONE quart of Mobil-1 costs me $4.85. What does it sell for in the states? I remember I use to pay $3.10 when it was onsale years ago. But then again gas was only $1.35 back then( 1998). A gallon of (German normal) Super92 MON(equeal to 89 RON US octane) unleaded sells for â¬1.25 per liter, Or almost $5.67 per gallon! â¬1.00 = $1.20 SuperPlus costs even more! About â¬1.35. On base that same super92 costs me(in USdollars) $0.67 per liter, or like â¬0.56 euro cents/liter. On-base we pay no stinking German taxes. ;)) I rellay do not know how the average German can afford paying so much and many taxes. That is one reason why people do not drive too much over here. Also why the trains are an alternative for long distances. Most Germans only change thier engine oil twice a year. I know LOTS who only change it once per year!!!! Most people only drive like 12K kilometers per year. I change my oil every three months or 8K kilometers regardless. My neighbors think I am nuts. I don't care. :) take care David In a message dated 26.02.2006 23:18:24 Westeuropäische Normalzeit, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David, does that Euro 0W-30 meet ACEA A3 specs? The US market Mobil 1 in that weight does not. The 0W-40 and 15W50 do, as does the new 10W-40. Gary Derian > > That said: my religious preference is to Mobil-1. 15W-50 in the summer and > 0W-30 in the winter. I am sure others will have thier favorites. > > Take care > David Jalali > Bamberg, Germany ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:29:48 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: Choice of oil Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In a message dated 27.02.2006 04:41:45 Westeuropäische Normalzeit, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -----Original Message----- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Most > Germans only change > thier engine oil twice a year. I know LOTS who only change it once per > year!!!! Well, there is nothing inherently wrong with that. ........... There is when it is plain Dino oil!!!! I should have stated that. Most Germans do not buy sythetics like we do in the states. And still... people go a long, long time between oil changes. > Most people only drive like 12K kilometers per year. Well, I can't think of hardly one synthetic oil, especially Group IV based oils, that wouldn't last 12k kilometers in a normal street driven vehicle. BMW's Long Life specs I believe are 30,000 kilometers for LL-98 and more than 30,000 kilometers for LL-01. Based on that, I would well imagine 12,000 - 15,000 miles with a quality synthetic is pretty conservative. ................. For me I will change the oil when it starts to change color. In my cars(my e36 323i) that is about 5-8K kilometers. In my other car(a 316Ti) that only sees lots of city driving that is about 4-6K kilometers. In the 316Ti not only does the oil change color to dark brown but I can smell gas, so I know it is time to change it, then. My car sees more high speed driving and can go longer between changes. But my original point was that MOST Germans will go a long time between oil changes with regular old Dino oil. > I > change my oil every > three months or 8K kilometers regardless. My neighbors think I am nuts. I > don't care. :) Well, you are definitely wasting oil, but I guess that is your choice and your money. Any of the Mobil 1 oils are clearly able to last more then 8k kilometers under normal conditions. Regards, Rich .......... Yup, my choice, my money. ;)) Take care David Bamberg, Germany ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:19:30 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: Choice of oil Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Feb 26, 2006, at 3:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I buy my oil on-base (a US Army base). ie: what I buy is the same > stuff you > can buy at say at Walmart. All the stuff on-base is imported > without German tax > and is the same stuff that you can buy in teh states. Except it > come sover on > a boat ride that takes two months! lolol Btw... ONE quart of > Mobil-1 costs me > $4.85. What does it sell for in the states? I remember I use to pay > $3.10 > when it was onsale years ago. But then again gas was only $1.35 > back then( 1998). $4.85 is about what it costs here now at a place like WalMart. - Mark ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:37:47 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Choice of oil Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Good lord! That's cheap! Standard Mobil 1 is about $5.50, and the Mobil 1 EP is I think up to $6.50 now around here. Brian --- Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 26, 2006, at 3:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > I buy my oil on-base (a US Army base). ie: what I > buy is the same > > stuff you > > can buy at say at Walmart. All the stuff on-base > is imported > > without German tax > > and is the same stuff that you can buy in teh > states. Except it > > come sover on > > a boat ride that takes two months! lolol Btw... > ONE quart of > > Mobil-1 costs me > > $4.85. What does it sell for in the states? I > remember I use to pay > > $3.10 > > when it was onsale years ago. But then again gas > was only $1.35 > > back then( 1998). > > $4.85 is about what it costs here now at a place > like WalMart. > > - Mark > ----- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: > http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:14:43 -0500 From: "Rich Dorffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Choice of oil Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -----Original Message----- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Most > Germans only change > thier engine oil twice a year. I know LOTS who only change it once per > year!!!! Well, there is nothing inherently wrong with that. > Most people only drive like 12K kilometers per year. Well, I can't think of hardly one synthetic oil, especially Group IV based oils, that wouldn't last 12k kilometers in a normal street driven vehicle. BMW's Long Life specs I believe are 30,000 kilometers for LL-98 and more than 30,000 kilometers for LL-01. Based on that, I would well imagine 12,000 - 15,000 miles with a quality synthetic is pretty conservative. > I > change my oil every > three months or 8K kilometers regardless. My neighbors think I am nuts. I > don't care. :) Well, you are definitely wasting oil, but I guess that is your choice and your money. Any of the Mobil 1 oils are clearly able to last more then 8k kilometers under normal conditions. Regards, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:28:49 -0500 From: John Grills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Choice of oil Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Please make it stop... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:15:44 -0500 From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Floatin' in the bay. E32/E31 stuff Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We're clearing out the pallet racking to make room for a new waiting room. Our loss is your gain. Got an E32/E34 or E31, watch this link over the next month. http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmisterbmw Brett Anderson KMS-Koala Motorsport www.bmwdiffs.com (440) 564 7574 9988 Kinsman Rd Novelty, OH 44072 (Near Cleveland) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:04:02 -0600 From: "Jamie Howton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: <E30> Exxon Valdez goes on Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ..some people demagnetize credit cards, some people cause wristwatches > to break or run inaccurately, some people cause random computer errors > that technicians can't reproduce. I cause cars to leak oil just a > little. My e39 leaks power steering fluid ever so slowly. I think that PS fluid leaking is an issue for every BMW owner that hasn't replaced the hose clamps at the bottom of the reservoir... -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:53:51 -0500 From: "Beaudette, Roland SIKORSKY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'UUC (bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com)'" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: E34 525iA motor stumble & sword Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This weekend I was able to poke around some more. BTW, cap and rotor are new 2-3 months ago. I switched the #1 & #2 wires (completely!) to see if it was wire related; removing the wire from each respective cylinder produced the same result. A compression check showed #1 & #2 to have 125 psig and #3 had 145 psig. It was cold so I stopped there. At the very last, I swapped spark plugs from #1 to #2 and vice versa. This morning's commute was trouble free...until I had about 3 miles on the car. Then the trouble returned. I'm sure that the plug will be fouled if/when I pull it. Oh, I finally realized that the final stage is also called the sword. Many of you will now be able to tell me why my blower motor fails to work. Although, I noticed that e34.net does not indicate that a bad sword will result in NO blower speeds (lack of power). Given it is in the negatives with wind chill, a pieced of 18 gage copper wire is jumpering the power. Anyone know an electronics shop in Southern CT (Orange)? I'm not game to fiddle with MOSFETs. Cheers, Roland -----Original Message----- From: Beaudette, Roland SIKORSKY Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 3:11 PM To: UUC (bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com) Subject: E34 525iA motor stumble My latest issue is with the engine (as if no heat in New England isn't enough!). The engine stumbles from idle to about 3k. It is much less noticeable above that speed. Replaced plugs on Tuesday; one existing plug fouled with carbon (all black). Checked said plug, #2 cylinder, and it is fouled again. When I disconnect the plug wire from any plug but #2, the engine stumbles even more so but no change with #2. I'm wondering if it is a bad injector. Anything else to look at? Cheers, Roland- rail against the dieing of the night, err, E34! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:44:34 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: [bimmerheads] Choice of oil Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Don't forget that the Mobil1 0W40 has a vicosity index of 186. So it will remain fairly consistent over a wide temp range. For normal everyday driving even in Vegas there's probably no need to switch to a 15W50. If you're worried about it dump in a quart of the extended interval type. -Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying to the e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:04:40 +0000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: [bimmerheads] Choice of oil Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This thread's had so many postings already, gotta ask, what's the 0 weight all about? Seems like it would be as impossible as dividing by zero. Jack's been on 5w30 //M1 since new, runs as good as ever at 120k miles, is there any reason to switch? Barry > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 09:44 PM > To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > Subject: Re: [UUC] [bimmerheads] Choice of oil > Don't forget that the Mobil1 0W40 has a vicosity index of 186. So it will > remain fairly consistent over a wide temp range. For normal everyday > driving even in Vegas there's probably no need to switch to a 15W50. > If you're worried about it dump in a quart of the extended interval type. > -Kevin ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(14 messages) **********
