The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 112 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Car company must pay $385,000 for lemon Re: Car company must pay $385,000 for lemon Re: Car company must pay $385,000 for lemon Re: Shop in San Deigo.....[sic] Re: <E30> Gas tank emptying Re: <E30> Gas tank emptying Tires for E46 Re: Tires for E46 Re: Tires for E46 Re: Tires for E46 Re: Tires for E46 Re: Tires for E46 Re: Tires for E46 Re: Tires for E46
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 20:51:35 -0700 (PDT) From: kjk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Car company must pay $385,000 for lemon Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, if the dumb**s company had paid they could have avoid $175k in attorneys fees. I am not a plaintiff's attorney but there is usually ample opportunity before a trial to resolve a case for much less money. I am sure there were mediations and a settlement conference before trial. For every award like that they pay, 100 people get screwed. Sucks for Chrysler when someone has the means to fight them. Kevin Kelly '91 M5 '00 323iT '91 J.D. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 21:36:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Car company must pay $385,000 for lemon Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'll repeat comments I made when this came up on another list I inhabit. I'd like a little more info. On the one hand, a car should deliver its advertised performance without breaking. That statement necessarily rules out modified cars, though--cars that aren't as advertised. I'll bet these guys were using drag radials, which give the driveline a severe beating when they hook up. Stock rubber spins before you put down enough power to start grenading diffs. If they were on drag radials then I think DCX got screwed ... no stock car can be expected to stand up to multiple drag launches, particularly one with over 500 hp. If it was stock rubber, then the diff should be up to the job. Maybe not for hundreds of launches, but a few Saturday nights at the strip shouldn't kill it. There are folks with turbo M30s running in the 12s and 13s on stock BMW limited slips that were intended for a car making 200 hp at the crank, not 310 hp at the wheels .... -tammer --- kjk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, if the dumb**s company had paid they could have > avoid $175k in attorneys fees. I am not a plaintiff's > attorney but there is usually ample opportunity before > a trial to resolve a case for much less money. I am > sure there were mediations and a settlement conference > before trial. > > For every award like that they pay, 100 people get > screwed. Sucks for Chrysler when someone has the means > to fight them. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 06:41:09 -0700 (PDT) From: P Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: Car company must pay $385,000 for lemon Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kevin/Tammer: I agree with both of you. To really give an valid opinion, we'd need more info. If the car was not stock (and I'm iffy on whether DOT drag radials should be enough to consider the car modified), then Chrysler got screwed. On the other hand, any attorney will tell you Chrysler (and every other large company) takes FULL advantage of the fact that 95% of their consumers don't have the time/money/patience to enforce their rights. Also, Chrysler had MORE than enough opportunities to avoid this outcome. On top of this, many car companies advertise their hi-performance cars (or trucks) doing things that when done by the owners will result in cancelling your warranty. For example, the Ford/Mercury always showed the Marauder doing a burn-out. All the major car companies show their trucks bombing through the woods, etc. Heck, Mitsu has been denying people's warranties on the EVO for attending racing events that Mitsu GAVE to the owners when purchasing the cars. -Paul --- Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll repeat comments I made when this came up on > another > list I inhabit. I'd like a little more info. On > the one > hand, a car should deliver its advertised > performance > without breaking. That statement necessarily rules > out > modified cars, though--cars that aren't as > advertised. > > I'll bet these guys were using drag radials, which > give the > driveline a severe beating when they hook up. Stock > rubber > spins before you put down enough power to start > grenading > diffs. If they were on drag radials then I think > DCX got > screwed ... no stock car can be expected to stand up > to > multiple drag launches, particularly one with over > 500 hp. > If it was stock rubber, then the diff should be up > to the > job. Maybe not for hundreds of launches, but a few > Saturday nights at the strip shouldn't kill it. > There are > folks with turbo M30s running in the 12s and 13s on > stock > BMW limited slips that were intended for a car > making 200 > hp at the crank, not 310 hp at the wheels .... > > -tammer > > --- kjk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well, if the dumb**s company had paid they could > have > > avoid $175k in attorneys fees. I am not a > plaintiff's > > attorney but there is usually ample opportunity > before > > a trial to resolve a case for much less money. I > am > > sure there were mediations and a settlement > conference > > before trial. > > > > For every award like that they pay, 100 people get > > screwed. Sucks for Chrysler when someone has the > means > > to fight them. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and > home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 23:00:58 -0700 From: Curtis Ingraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Shop in San Deigo.....[sic] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Another good BMW shop is: Apex Engineering 7950 Ronson Rd San Diego, CA 92111 858 751-0710 www.apexengineering.com Curt Ingraham '72 2002tii Oakland, CA > I need a rear bearing replaced and simply dont have > the time to do it myself. Can anyone here recommend a > decent shop in or near Mission Valley in San Diego? > Im pretty new to the area and dont know of any shops > here. Any tips or advice is greatly appreciated. > TIA! > > Manuel Paredes > 95 325i > L.A. BMWCCA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 08:35:46 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: <E30> Gas tank emptying Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't know if this is the best method (normally I would suggest just driving the car, but your parts car may not be driveable), but this is what I would try. Disconnect the fuel line coming from the fuel filter under the left side of the car. Connect a hose to the filter output long enough to reach a convenient 5 gallon gas can. Use the fuel pump relay test procedure outlined in the Bentley manual to bypass the fuel pump relay. Turn the ignition to the engine run position. In theory, the gas should pump out of the tank into your can. If the tank is full, it will take several cans. Since the fuel would be filtered, you could then use it in other cars, lawn mowers, outboard motors, etc. The fuel from the lines between the filter and the engine might drain by gravity. Or the gas in the lines might get sucked back into the tank as you run the pump, I'm not sure. Light compressed air into the line going to the engine might forced gas back through the return line to the tank. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 13:39:20 -0700 >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [email protected] >Subject: <E30> Gas tank emptying >Message-ID: <OFC1D9C09F.E6BAD664-ON88257145.00714DA3-88257145.0071773 [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >What's the best method for emptying the gas tank? >This is for the parts car and I want to be sure the fuel lines are empty >before pulling the motor. > >Tanks all, >-Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:23:17 -0400 From: Kevin Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E30> Gas tank emptying Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >What's the best method for emptying the gas tank? > >This is for the parts car and I want to be sure the fuel lines are empty > >before pulling the motor. > > > >Tanks all, > >-Kevin Actually, the simplest way to empty the tank is just to pull the drain plug. IIRC, it's on the lower right side of the tank. See http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=1413&mospid=47322&btnr=16_0046&hg=16&fg=05 for approximate location. Part #3. Kevin '90 325i pulled a tank from wrecked race car, after draining fuel via that plug. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:58:44 -0400 From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Tires for E46 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All, I am in need of summer tires for the E46 (2003 325xi w/sport package). I have dedicated winter tires, and the car is not tracked, so I am looking at summer-only 205/50R17s for the street... I have run Michilen Pilot Sports for a few seasons on the Porsche and like them (but at $179@ / tirerack for the BMW, they're kinda pricy) So, I am wondering if people have other suggestions they really like... I also am not wed to the 205s if 225s are better... Ride or noise is not super critical, good handling is... :) Suggestions will be welcome TIA -Jason '86 951 "Sparky" '70 240Z "Dusty" '97 Contour "Bambi" '03 325xi sport "Daisy" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:53:03 -0400 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Tires for E46 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 205? That's even narrow for an E46 snow tire size. I think you'd be happier with a 225/45-17 (original BMW 325Xi Sport size) or even a 245/40-17. Either of these will fit perfectly fine and are the correct diameter, no change in speedometer. Tires are often a "you get what you pay for" propostion with very few undiscovered/under-priced gems out there. For performance similar to a Michelin Pilot Sport with possibly quieter ride and a better price, try a Toyo T1-R or the T1-S (currently being phased out, so deals are out there). You would also like the Briidgestone Potenza S-03. There are second-tier "max performance" tires out there, but the trade-offs usually include increased noise with mileage (some to the point of questioning if your wheel bearings have gone bad!), decreased performance with mileage, and simply lower mileage. If $179 is too rich, you might take a half-step down and consider $140 for a Continental ContiSport Contact2. The new BFG G-Force Sport is an intriguing alternative from a company with a good reputation - at $95 each, it's an affordable experiment. - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [UUC] Tires for E46 > All, > > I am in need of summer tires for the E46 (2003 325xi w/sport package). I have dedicated winter tires, and the car is not tracked, so I am looking at summer-only 205/50R17s for the street... > > I have run Michilen Pilot Sports for a few seasons on the Porsche and like them (but at $179@ / tirerack for the BMW, they're kinda pricy) > > So, I am wondering if people have other suggestions they really like... I also am not wed to the 205s if 225s are better... > Ride or noise is not super critical, good handling is... :) > > Suggestions will be welcome > > TIA > > -Jason > '86 951 "Sparky" > '70 240Z "Dusty" > '97 Contour "Bambi" > '03 325xi sport "Daisy" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 14:06:46 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Tires for E46 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A 205/50 is the same width as a 225/45. Gary Derian > 205? That's even narrow for an E46 snow tire size. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 16:47:45 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jamie Howton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Tires for E46 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes they are. A 205/50 is measured on an R70 rim (a rim that is 70% of the tire width, which would be 5.65 inches) but a 225/45 is measured on an R85 rim (7.53 inches). Adjusting for mounting both on a 7 inch rim (1 inch rim width changes section width 0.4 inches), the 205 is 8.61 inches wide and the 225 is 8.65 inches wide. Close enough for me. Gary Derian > A 205/50 is the same width as a 225/45. How do you figure that? The first number (205 or 225) is the tire width in millimeters. They are almost the same sidewall height (50% of .205 is 102.5mm and 45% of 225 is 101.25mm) but they aren't the same width. Regards Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 13:44:59 -0700 From: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Tires for E46 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:53 AM 4/4/2006, Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks wrote: >205? That's even narrow for an E46 snow tire size. > >I think you'd be happier with a 225/45-17 (original BMW 325Xi Sport size) or >even a 245/40-17. Either of these will fit perfectly fine and are the >correct diameter, no change in speedometer. Actually, all E46 xi sport (325, 330, sedan, wagon) in the US came with 205/50/17s on 17x7 wheels. These are also non-sport wheel/tire on 330i non-sport. You probably don't want to try mounting anything wider than a 225/45 on a 7" wide wheel. >Tires are often a "you get what you pay for" propostion with very few >undiscovered/under-priced gems out there. For performance similar to a >Michelin Pilot Sport with possibly quieter ride and a better price, try a >Toyo T1-R or the T1-S (currently being phased out, so deals are out there). >You would also like the Briidgestone Potenza S-03. I'm planning on a set of T1-R on the 'new' wheels for my E24. A friend of mine went from ES100 to T1-R on the same wheels, and still prefer the performance of the Yokos, though he now has a set of RA-1s for the track so he doesn't care as much. >There are second-tier "max performance" tires out there, but the trade-offs >usually include increased noise with mileage (some to the point of >questioning if your wheel bearings have gone bad!), decreased performance >with mileage, and simply lower mileage. We wondered about the bearings on the aforementioned friend's 330, as the ES100s were MUCH louder than the same tires on my 325 touring, but after some checking and asking around, we determined it was likely due to camber differences (his car is lowered, mine's not). I know someone with an E34 who was so fed up with the noise that he tossed em with 50%+ left. I put 30k on my set, and like them far better than the factory ContiSports, PZero Rossos (awful) and my current Falken ST115. Unfortunately, my two all-time favorites to date are no longer made: Dunlop SP8000 and Firestone SZ50. >If $179 is too rich, you might take a half-step down and consider $140 for a >Continental ContiSport Contact2. The new BFG G-Force Sport is an intriguing >alternative from a company with a good reputation - at $95 each, it's an >affordable experiment. Funny you mention the BFGs. Here's what a DE instructor friend said earlier today: "So, what I said about the g-Force Sports being a good deal... Well, I might be taking that back. They're fine as a dry street tire, not really good on track at all and here's the kicker... Even with the "water evac" looking tread and basically full tread, they downright suck in standing water. I'm so spoiled by the PS2s, but these things are crap in the wet! Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a bit of oversteer here and there, but that's not the issue. That could be done at will with these things, but they're still easy to control in that regard. I'm talking about UNDERSTEER while driving on the freeway! Yuck!!! Nothing worse than going into a normal, slightly curved section of freeway at 65-70mph and having your car PLOW! ZOINKS!!! If it's the rainy season when the next street tire purchase comes necessary, I'm staying far away from these things. " >- Rob > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [UUC] Tires for E46 > > > > All, > > > > I am in need of summer tires for the E46 (2003 325xi w/sport package). I >have dedicated winter tires, and the car is not tracked, so I am looking at >summer-only 205/50R17s for the street... > > > > I have run Michilen Pilot Sports for a few seasons on the Porsche and like >them (but at $179@ / tirerack for the BMW, they're kinda pricy) > > > > So, I am wondering if people have other suggestions they really like... I >also am not wed to the 205s if 225s are better... > > Ride or noise is not super critical, good handling is... :) > > > > Suggestions will be welcome > > > > TIA > > > > -Jason > > '86 951 "Sparky" > > '70 240Z "Dusty" > > '97 Contour "Bambi" > > '03 325xi sport "Daisy" > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Kazuto Okayasu Manager, Desktop Support Services Administrative Computing Services, University of California, Irvine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:13:50 -0700 From: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Tires for E46 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 09:58 AM 4/4/2006, Jason Kay wrote: Asking for opinions about tires is almost like asking about motor oil. :) Given your criteria (cost/handling vs. noise/ride), I'd recommend Yokohama AVS ES100. Cheap ($96 in stock size, $114 in 225/45, the other OE 17" size), very responsive, due to stiff sidewalls. Of all the tires friends (mostly E46 owners) and I've tried, these are second only to R-comps and few $$$ rubber for sharp turn-in response. Excellent life as well. They do tramline quite a bit, and they are VERY noisy as they wear, especially if the car has more than negligible negative camber. I went to a quieter tire (Falken ST115), but I really miss the performance of the Yokos. I'd consider going back, but I recently got a hold of a nearly-free set of Pilot Sport 2 which everyone I know raves about. >All, > >I am in need of summer tires for the E46 (2003 325xi w/sport >package). I have dedicated winter tires, and the car is not >tracked, so I am looking at summer-only 205/50R17s for the street... > >I have run Michilen Pilot Sports for a few seasons on the Porsche >and like them (but at $179@ / tirerack for the BMW, they're kinda pricy) > >So, I am wondering if people have other suggestions they really >like... I also am not wed to the 205s if 225s are better... >Ride or noise is not super critical, good handling is... :) > >Suggestions will be welcome > >TIA > >-Jason >'86 951 "Sparky" >'70 240Z "Dusty" >'97 Contour "Bambi" >'03 325xi sport "Daisy" > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Kazuto Okayasu Manager, Desktop Support Services Administrative Computing Services, University of California, Irvine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:12:19 -0400 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Tires for E46 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I normally like the high-end Yokos, but I will say without question - ES100s are unacceptable at any price... I just gave away a nearly-new set. They don't handle all _that_ great, just typical of any cheap performance tire (even the Kumho MX is stickier). They are the tire I was obliquely referring to as making so much noise as to question the integrity of the wheel bearings. We've been seeing nearly univeral customer comments backing this up, that after 5K miles the sound level increases to a remarkable crescendo at 10K and beyond. Your own comments apparently back this up also! - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kazuto Okayasu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] Tires for E46 > At 09:58 AM 4/4/2006, Jason Kay wrote: > > Asking for opinions about tires is almost like asking about motor oil. :) > > Given your criteria (cost/handling vs. noise/ride), I'd recommend > Yokohama AVS ES100. Cheap ($96 in stock size, $114 in 225/45, the > other OE 17" size), very responsive, due to stiff sidewalls. Of all > the tires friends (mostly E46 owners) and I've tried, these are > second only to R-comps and few $$$ rubber for sharp turn-in response. > Excellent life as well. They do tramline quite a bit, and they are > VERY noisy as they wear, especially if the car has more than > negligible negative camber. > > I went to a quieter tire (Falken ST115), but I really miss the > performance of the Yokos. I'd consider going back, but I recently > got a hold of a nearly-free set of Pilot Sport 2 which everyone I > know raves about. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:30:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Tires for E46 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In my experience the ES100 do really poorly on heavy (>3500 lbs or so) cars, but quite well on lighter ones. It seems that most of the complaints come from drivers of heavy cars. They do get loud, but I'm willing to live with that. I'm not in a position to pay more than 2x as much money for 5% better performance and 5% longer life. I have been shopping for a set for the E28 M5, and due to its weight increase over the 535 I am looking for something other than the Yoks ... I'll search for deals on the T1-S, good call. -tammer '87 535is <--on its 2nd set of ES100s and doing fine '88 M5 <--needs shoes bad, but the wheels need to be resprayed first .... --- Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I normally like the high-end Yokos, but I will say > without question - ES100s > are unacceptable at any price... I just gave away a > nearly-new set. They > don't handle all _that_ great, just typical of any cheap > performance tire > (even the Kumho MX is stickier). > > They are the tire I was obliquely referring to as making > so much noise as to > question the integrity of the wheel bearings. We've been > seeing nearly > univeral customer comments backing this up, that after 5K > miles the sound > level increases to a remarkable crescendo at 10K and > beyond. > > Your own comments apparently back this up also! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(14 messages) **********
