On Sep 22, 4:46 pm, Flammarion <peterdjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> There is no problem attaching consc to PM.

What do you mean by this?

David

> On 22 Sep, 16:29, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>
> > On 22 Sep 2009, at 15:51, Flammarion wrote:
>
> > > He goes on to conclude that I am being generated by an immaterial
> > > UD. That is not possible if there are no immaterial entities.
>
> > You are in a third person way.
>
> That is still not possible if there are no immaterial entities.
>
> >If you are a program relatively to any
> > "real world", you are 'executed' infinitely often by the material UD,
> > and by the arithmetical UD too in the corresponding third person sense).
>
> Not if there is no immaterial (or as you call it, arithmetic) UD.
>
> > And MGA makes the need of a material UD non sensical, for anything
> > epistemological.
>
> A material UD cannot be redundant unless there is an immaterial
> one to take its place.
>
> > Some people can argue that MGA is not needed. They believe that it is
> > obvious that consciousness is not something material at all, and that
> > it is a waste of time of both trying to attach consciousness to
> > matter, or to argue with those who believes that is possible (with or
> > without comp).
>
> > Do you see the different 'big' picture (as opposed to believe it
> > follows from comp)?
>
> There is no problem attaching consc to PM. There is a problem
> attachign consc. to mathematical structures, whether phsycially
> emodied
> or not.
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