Yes indeed, the notion of consciousness, perception, primary sensation, or experience without or independent of phenomena... Is simply ridiculous.... The notion of absolute subjective consciousness devoid of either phenomena or a body? Simply ridiculous.
There is no consciousness without phenomena and there is no consciousness without a body.... The trick here is that the notion "body" may be much more complex and multilayered then we presently know or think. On Saturday, July 2, 2011, Constantine Pseudonymous <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I think Descartes HAD to include the soul into his 'human' unit to escape >> from Inquisition and that is why he anticipated the "complexity" in our >> time's idea - that includes the body and *mind* with its bi sided influences >> as a body-soul dualism. (I don't want to start a battle on this). > > re-read Descartes.... (no not on wikipedia) > >> Consciousness - as the process of responding to relations is universal, > > that is a third-person view of consciousness.... an outside view of > consciousness rotted in a first-person consciousness.... you don't > have to study phenomenology to understand or describe that first- > person.... it is brute fact, bare perception, albeit of a > spiritualized nature and conditioned not only by body but also by > mind...... hence elusive, mutable, and temporal as-it-is.... it would > be ridiculous to conceive of post-mortem consciousness.... if you ask > me.... unless you want to assert that we are like babies being carried > around by mother nature for some ultimate goal and through some > unknown and unaccounted for mechanism.... and you would have to > advance a world-view of a more spiritualized system of nature > overlapping it all... this would be a futile endeavor. > > if you ask me, there really isn't something called consciousness..... > there is only imagination..... and whatever else there is besides > imagination can only be known through imagination and in the distorted > and abstracted terms of imagination.... what ever else exists besides > imagination is a x.... back to Kant. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
