That's how my mind works... Lol. On Saturday, July 2, 2011, Stephen Paul King <[email protected]> wrote: > This is weird! Two people with the same email address talking to each other or one person talking to himself?! > > Stephen > > -----Original Message----- From: B Soroud > Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 12:44 AM > To: Everything List > Subject: Re: consciousness > > Yes indeed, the notion of consciousness, perception, primary > sensation, or experience without or independent of phenomena... Is > simply ridiculous.... The notion of absolute subjective consciousness > devoid of either phenomena or a body? Simply ridiculous. > > There is no consciousness without phenomena and there is no > consciousness without a body.... The trick here is that the notion > "body" may be much more complex and multilayered then we presently > know or think. > > On Saturday, July 2, 2011, Constantine Pseudonymous <[email protected]> wrote: > &gt; > &gt;&gt; I think Descartes HAD to include the soul into his 'human' > unit to escape > &gt;&gt; from Inquisition and that is why he anticipated the > &quot;complexity&quot; in our > &gt;&gt; time's idea - that includes the body and *mind* with its bi > sided influences > &gt;&gt; as a body-soul dualism. (I don't want to start a battle on this). > &gt; > &gt; re-read Descartes.... (no not on wikipedia) > &gt; > &gt;&gt; Consciousness - as the process of responding to relations is universal, > &gt; > &gt; that is a third-person view of consciousness.... an outside view of > &gt; consciousness rotted in a first-person consciousness.... you don't > &gt; have to study phenomenology to understand or describe that first- > &gt; person.... it is brute fact, bare perception, albeit of a > &gt; spiritualized nature and conditioned not only by body but also by > &gt; mind...... hence elusive, mutable, and temporal as-it-is.... it would > &gt; be ridiculous to conceive of post-mortem consciousness.... if you ask > &gt; me.... unless you want to assert that we are like babies being carried > &gt; around by mother nature for some ultimate goal and through some > &gt; unknown and unaccounted for mechanism.... and you would have to > &gt; advance a world-view of a more spiritualized system of nature > &gt; overlapping it all... this would be a futile endeavor. > &gt; > &gt; if you ask me, there really isn't something called consciousness..... > &gt; there is only imagination..... and whatever else there is besides > &gt; imagination can only be known through imagination and in the distorted > &gt; and abstracted terms of imagination.... what ever else exists besides > &gt; imagination is a x.... back to Kant. > &gt; > &gt; > &gt; -- > &gt; You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google Groups &quot;Everything List&quot; group. > &gt; To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > &gt; To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > &gt; For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > &gt; > &gt; > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > >
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