On 16 Nov 2011, at 18:28, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 11/16/2011 10:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 15 Nov 2011, at 20:36, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Outside of QTI, does anyone consider any hypothesis as 'viable'
for "immortality"? I am not sure that I mean, never dying, I think
I mean, some kind of continuation, beyond our current
'mortality" ? I am not meaning Uploading while still alive, or
brain in a vat; but basically, an afterlife of some kind?
As I said recently, if you assume that the brain works like a
(natural and material) machine, then you are confronted with many
form of immortality.
I ask, realizing, that cosmology and consciousness, do not, by
necessity, dovetail (UDA?).
I don't understand the meaning of that sentence. "Dovetailing" is
just a technic for one program to generate and execute all programs
(in all possible programming languages or universal systems). Such
a program and its execution is part of the arithmetical reality, so
that if you believe that "17 is prime" is true independently of
you, you have to believe in an infinity of your continuations,
whatever happens to you in any branches of the arithmetical
reality, so you cannot avoid immortality (independently of any
physical theory). More difficult is the question of what type of
immortality is more probable, for example with or without amnesia,
with or without a ladder of intermediate realities between "earth"
and "heaven". But all such question are mathematical question,
(assuming mechanism!) and no answer to such question are trivial.
Strictly speaking we cannot answer them, because we cannot know for
sure what is our mechanist substitution level. Intuitively, if the
level is high, there are shortcut to "heaven" (the consciousness
state of the virgin UM), and if the level is low, there might be a
complex arithmetical "bardo thodol" with infinite sequence of
lives. Some form of "intermediate after life" might depend on our
ability today to convince our descendent to keep and remember and
retrieve past data so that we might be reconstituted in the future.
Other type of immortality, with (partial amnesia and universal
reminiscence) are already available today, through meditation
technic (hard and painful), or through that most amazing plant
Salvia divinorum. In that case you can know you are immortal,
because eternity becomes a sort of past experience, as paradoxical
it might look at first sight.
Bruno
Hi,
I must point out that this discussion of immortality seems to
imply that the mind is not subject to the limitations of the
physical world.
That's a consequence of the UDA, the mind is subject to the
limitations of the universal numbers and arithmetic.
It is the physical world which is subject to the limitations of the
mind.
Haven't you understood that mechanism leads to a reversal between
physics and number's psychology?
Things might be different if we are not machine (nor hypermachine: I
use the term machine in a very weak sense).
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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