On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]>wrote:

> If anyone is not familiar with David Chalmers "Absent Qualia, Fading
> Qualia, Dancing Qualia" You should have a look at 
> it<http://consc.net/papers/qualia.html>first.
>

I confess I have not read it because I have little confidence it's any
better than the Chinese Room. Well OK I exaggerate, it's probably better
than that (what isn't) but there is something about all these anti AI
thought experiments that has always confused me. Let's suppose I'm dead
wrong and Chambers really has found something new and strange and maybe
even paradoxical about consciousness, what I want to know is why am I
required to explain it if I want to continue to believe that a intelligent
computers would be conscious? Whatever argument Chambers has it could just
as easily be turned against the idea that the intelligent behavior of other
people indicates consciousness, and yet not one person on this list
believes in Solipsism, not even the most vocal AI critics. Why? Why is it
that I must find the flaws in all these thought experiments but the anti AI
people feel no need to do so?

In the extraordinarily unlikely event that Chambers has shown that
consciousness is paradoxical (and its probably just as childish as all the
others) I would conclude that he just made an error someplace that nobody
has found yet. When Zeno showed that  motion was paradoxical nobody thought
that motion did not exist but that Zeno just made a mistake, and he did,
although the error wasn't found till the invention of the Calculus
thousands of years later.

  John K Clark

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