Hi Bruno Marchal  

A computer being not conscious ? All computer operations
(to my mind,probably not yours) are actual (in spacetime).
But  consciousness is an inherent (mental, not in spacetime)
activity.

Cs = subject + object

A computer has no inherent realms, no conscious self or observer. 

Instead, a computer is all object (completely in the objective realm),
no subject. 

Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 
9/24/2012  
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen 


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On 24 Sep 2012, at 14:51, Roger Clough wrote: 

> Hi Stathis Papaioannou 
> 
> Try to define consciousness. If you can't, 
> how do you know that a computer is conscious ? 

Try to define consciousness. If you can't 
how do you know that a computer is not conscious? 

Bruno 




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> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 
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> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen 
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> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:02 PM, Roger Clough wrote: 
>> Hi Stathis Papaioannou 
>> 
>> You need a self or observer to be conscious, and computers 
>> have no self. So they can't be conscious. 
>> 
>> Consciousness = a subject looking at, or aware of, an object. 
>> 
>> Computers have no subject. 
> 
> So where do you get the idea that computers have no self, no subject 
> and can't be observers or be conscious? You may as well claim that 
> women aren't conscious but just act as if they are conscious, like an 
> advanced computer pretending to have a self. 
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