Hi Bruno Marchal A computer being not conscious ? All computer operations (to my mind,probably not yours) are actual (in spacetime). But consciousness is an inherent (mental, not in spacetime) activity.
Cs = subject + object A computer has no inherent realms, no conscious self or observer. Instead, a computer is all object (completely in the objective realm), no subject. Roger Clough, [email protected] 9/24/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-24, 09:52:34 Subject: Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment On 24 Sep 2012, at 14:51, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Stathis Papaioannou > > Try to define consciousness. If you can't, > how do you know that a computer is conscious ? Try to define consciousness. If you can't how do you know that a computer is not conscious? Bruno > > > > > Roger Clough, [email protected] > 9/24/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Stathis Papaioannou > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-09-24, 08:38:48 > Subject: Re: Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment > > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:02 PM, Roger Clough wrote: >> Hi Stathis Papaioannou >> >> You need a self or observer to be conscious, and computers >> have no self. So they can't be conscious. >> >> Consciousness = a subject looking at, or aware of, an object. >> >> Computers have no subject. > > So where do you get the idea that computers have no self, no subject > and can't be observers or be conscious? You may as well claim that > women aren't conscious but just act as if they are conscious, like an > advanced computer pretending to have a self. > > > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en > . > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
