On 24 Sep 2012, at 14:51, Roger Clough wrote:

Hi Stathis Papaioannou

Try to define consciousness. If you can't,
how do you know that a computer is conscious ?

Try to define consciousness. If you can't
how do you know that a computer is not conscious?

Bruno








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9/24/2012
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On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:02 PM, Roger Clough  wrote:
Hi Stathis Papaioannou

You need a self or observer to be conscious, and computers
have no self. So they can't be conscious.

Consciousness = a subject looking at, or aware of, an object.

Computers have no subject.

So where do you get the idea that computers have no self, no subject
and can't be observers or be conscious? You may as well claim that
women aren't conscious but just act as if they are conscious, like an
advanced computer pretending to have a self.


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