On 9/24/2012 10:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Sep 2012, at 16:13, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
A computer being not conscious ? All computer operations
(to my mind,probably not yours) are actual (in spacetime).
But consciousness is an inherent (mental, not in spacetime)
All right, in that sense a computer cannot think. I agree, but a brain
cannot think too, nor any body. They can only manifest consciousness,
which, we agree on this, is in Platonia.
Computer can support a knowing self, like a brain, unless you decide
not, but then it looks like arbitrary racism. You just decide that
some entities cannot think, because *you* fail to recognize yourself
You could at least say that you don't know, or give argument, but you
just repeat that brain can support consciousness and that silicon
cannot, without giving an atom of justification. This can't be serious.
Cs = subject + object
A computer has no inherent realms, no conscious self or observer.
Instead, a computer is all object (completely in the objective realm),
You can implement a self-transformative software on computers.
You should be more careful and study a bit of computer science before
judging computers, especially if you assert strong negative statements
I agree with Bruno's remarks.
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"Everything List" group.
To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
For more options, visit this group at