On 11/11/2013 10:42 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:

2013/11/11 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>

    On 11/11/2013 12:11 AM, LizR wrote:
    On 11 November 2013 18:18, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net
    <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

        On 11/10/2013 5:59 PM, LizR wrote:
        On 11 November 2013 13:53, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net
        <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

            On 11/10/2013 3:54 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:

            Sure, but the thing is that *you have to*, and asking such question 
            that stage is very likely... you can't be 10⁵ years old before 
            been 1 year old... it's simply nonsense.

            So you're falling back on the all-purpose 'everything' answer; 
            you observe is one of everything and that why everything is 
            with it - like why I'm not a Chinaman?

        There isn't any falling back here that I can see. It seems quite 
reasonable to
        say you have to pass through your birthdays in ascending order. I can't 
        why that is problematic / contraversial?

        Sure, but if I live infinitely long I will have almost all my 
experiences older
        than 75.  So when I note that I'm not that old and that seems 
improbable, it's
not an answer to say, "Well, less than 75 is an age you must be sometime." Jason at least had an answer, although I don't think his answer leads to
        immortality either.

    I didn't say "75 is an age you must be sometime" - I said "75 is an age you 
must be
    before you can be 76". You can only reach age N by traversing all lower 
ages first.
    You can't use a self-sampling argument to show that you shouldn't be your 
    age if you /have/ to pass through that age before you can experience any 
greater ages.

    I don't see the relevance of that.  I had to pass through being 5 too.  
Suppose you
are shown a machine and told that it is counting to infinity, i.e. indefinitely. You're asked to guess what number it's on. Would you be surprised if it were on 75?

It depends how fast it counts and when it was built... If the machine was built "recently", and it added 1 every year... no I wouldn't.

Suppose you were told it's been around forever.


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