On 19 Dec 2013, at 21:36, John Mikes wrote:
Here is my tuppence about the hoax-game of the fantasy-play
'teleportation':
It is theoretical reasoning in the frame of an hypothesis making such
theorizing meaningful, unless you believe that comp is false. But then
you might have to argue that comp is false. Theoretical analysis can
be compared to a game, indeed, but that does not invalidate the
logical point.
Bruno
It is what I said, never substantiated and placed into circumstances
never substantiated or verified even within our imaginary
physical(?) explanations.
Wana play? be my guest.
In a 'transportation' (cf: reincarnation-like?) one is supposed to
receive new identity as fitting for the new circumstances, with
memory arased of the old one.
YOU2 is NOT YOU1. (Not even YOU1*).
JM
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Richard Ruquist <[email protected]>
wrote:
I do not believe in #1 due to the no cloning theorem.
If comp produces QM it must also produce the no cloning theorem.
Richard
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Jason Resch <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:29 AM, John Clark <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jason Resch <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Bruno: The question is: is it enough correct so that you would
please us in answering step 4. If not: what is incorrect.
John Clark: (No answer, deleted the question)
I have not read step 4, however if it is built on the foundation of
the first 3 steps
What is the error in step 3?
(and I can't think why it would be called "step 4" if it were not)
then I can conclude that one thing wrong with step 4 (I don't claim
it is the only thing) is the previous 3 steps.
I think if you read the whole set of steps (or even just the next
few steps) you would see where things are going and wouldn't have so
much trouble understanding the point of the third step.
I will summarize them for you here:
1: Teleportation is survivable
2: Teleportation with a time delay is survivable, and the time delay
is imperceptible to the person teleported
3. Duplication (teleportation to two locations: one intended and one
unintended) is survivable, and following duplication there is a 50%
chance of finding oneself at the intended destination
4. Duplication with delay changes nothing. If duplicate to the
intended destination, and then a year later duplicated to the
unintended destination, subjectively there is still a 50% chance of
finding oneself at the intended destination
5. Teleportation without destroying the original is equivalent to
the duplication with delay. If someone creates a copy of you
somewhere, there is a 50% chance you will find yourself in that
alternate location.
6. If a virtual copy of you is instantiated in a computer somewhere,
then as in step 5, there is a 50% chance you will find yourself
trapped in that computer simulation.
7. A computer with enough time and memory, that iteratively executes
all programs in parallel will "kidnap" everyone, since all observers
everywhere (in all universes) will eventually find themselves to be
in this computer
8. There is no need to build the computer in step 7, since the
executions of all programs exist within the relations between large
numbers. Hence, arithmetical realism is a candidate TOE.
This is the "grand conclusion" you have been missing for all these
years. I don't think this was obvious to Og the caveman.
Jason
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