On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jason, > > I said I don't know because SR doesn't know. What's wrong with that? It's > consistent with SR. > Nothing is wrong with that position, I just thought P-time might offer an answer to this problem which exists in SR. > > I don't know WHAT Sam is doing at any particular moment in the shared > present moment, but I know he exists and is doing something. What's wrong > with that? If I had a mathematical way to determine that I'd certainly let > you know but as far as I know there isn't any. We just have to accept the > fact that everything isn't mathematical. Consciousness and the present > moment are examples. Clocks don't measure P-time. There is no P-time clock > that reads P-time. We know we are in the same present moment P-time not but > having synchronized clocks but by shaking hands and comparing clocks, and > by just living our lives and communicating like we always did whether our > clocks are the same or not. > > There is no clock that displays P-time. However everything is logical, and > I've given the logical reasoning... > What does P-time predict or allow us to explain that special relativity does not or cannot? Thanks for your answers. Jason > On Thursday, January 2, 2014 4:30:37 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Liz, >>> >>> We'll let Jason judge whether I answered him or not. >>> >>> >> You did answer, but your answer is that you did not know (you said it >> what was whatever relativity predicts, but relativity also has no answer >> without a defined reference frame). >> >> However according to P-time, Sam must be doing *something *at the exact >> moment Pam arrives at her destination. Is that something celebrating his >> fifth birthday or not? >> >> If there is some certain thing he is doing at that instant (which I think >> follows from P-time), your P-time theory ought to have some mathematical >> way of providing an answer that question, should it not? If it does not, >> then what is the advantage of P-time over special relativity? >> >> Jason >> >> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, January 2, 2014 4:14:02 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >>> >>>> On 3 January 2014 10:00, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Liz, >>>>> >>>>> I answered Jason directly. See that post. >>>>> >>>> >>>> By not answering, yes. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> There is no preferred CLOCK time frame. There is a shared common >>>>> present moment they both share which is 'preferred' in that sense. Again >>>>> you are confusing clock time and Present moment time. See my response to >>>>> Jason for one more approach that might make it understandable. >>>>> >>>> >>>> It is preferred in the sense that it defines an inertial frame. From >>>> what you have said so far that frame is the Earth's rest frame (or let's >>>> say the rest frame of the CMB, which seems more physically plausible - they >>>> are fairly close from the point of view of relativistic travel). Saying >>>> that a frame of reference is special - e.g. that it computes reality - >>>> should have observable consequences, probably for dispersion in high energy >>>> cosmic rays. Have you worked out what those are, so they can be tested >>>> experimentally? So far your theory appears to be just words, and from the >>>> response you've had so far, not very convincing ones. It needs a >>>> mathematical underpinning, as I requested way back but haven't yet seen, >>>> before it can really be called a theory. >>>> >>>> Or if you prefer to stick with just words, please try to show some >>>> reason, any reason, for anyone to think that P-time actually exists and >>>> does some useful work in explaining reality. Just saying it's "obvious", >>>> and "no one understands you" isn't enough (well, not unless you're a >>>> teenager, at least.) >>>> >>>> See everyone's responses to your posts, but especially Jason's, for any >>>> number of approaches that might make this understandable. >>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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