On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Edgar L. Owen <edgaro...@att.net> wrote:
> I said I don't know because SR doesn't know. What's wrong with that? It's
> consistent with SR.
Nothing is wrong with that position, I just thought P-time might offer an
answer to this problem which exists in SR.
> I don't know WHAT Sam is doing at any particular moment in the shared
> present moment, but I know he exists and is doing something. What's wrong
> with that? If I had a mathematical way to determine that I'd certainly let
> you know but as far as I know there isn't any. We just have to accept the
> fact that everything isn't mathematical. Consciousness and the present
> moment are examples. Clocks don't measure P-time. There is no P-time clock
> that reads P-time. We know we are in the same present moment P-time not but
> having synchronized clocks but by shaking hands and comparing clocks, and
> by just living our lives and communicating like we always did whether our
> clocks are the same or not.
> There is no clock that displays P-time. However everything is logical, and
> I've given the logical reasoning...
What does P-time predict or allow us to explain that special relativity
does not or cannot?
Thanks for your answers.
> On Thursday, January 2, 2014 4:30:37 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Edgar L. Owen <edga...@att.net> wrote:
>>> We'll let Jason judge whether I answered him or not.
>> You did answer, but your answer is that you did not know (you said it
>> what was whatever relativity predicts, but relativity also has no answer
>> without a defined reference frame).
>> However according to P-time, Sam must be doing *something *at the exact
>> moment Pam arrives at her destination. Is that something celebrating his
>> fifth birthday or not?
>> If there is some certain thing he is doing at that instant (which I think
>> follows from P-time), your P-time theory ought to have some mathematical
>> way of providing an answer that question, should it not? If it does not,
>> then what is the advantage of P-time over special relativity?
>>> On Thursday, January 2, 2014 4:14:02 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
>>>> On 3 January 2014 10:00, Edgar L. Owen <edga...@att.net> wrote:
>>>>> I answered Jason directly. See that post.
>>>> By not answering, yes.
>>>>> There is no preferred CLOCK time frame. There is a shared common
>>>>> present moment they both share which is 'preferred' in that sense. Again
>>>>> you are confusing clock time and Present moment time. See my response to
>>>>> Jason for one more approach that might make it understandable.
>>>> It is preferred in the sense that it defines an inertial frame. From
>>>> what you have said so far that frame is the Earth's rest frame (or let's
>>>> say the rest frame of the CMB, which seems more physically plausible - they
>>>> are fairly close from the point of view of relativistic travel). Saying
>>>> that a frame of reference is special - e.g. that it computes reality -
>>>> should have observable consequences, probably for dispersion in high energy
>>>> cosmic rays. Have you worked out what those are, so they can be tested
>>>> experimentally? So far your theory appears to be just words, and from the
>>>> response you've had so far, not very convincing ones. It needs a
>>>> mathematical underpinning, as I requested way back but haven't yet seen,
>>>> before it can really be called a theory.
>>>> Or if you prefer to stick with just words, please try to show some
>>>> reason, any reason, for anyone to think that P-time actually exists and
>>>> does some useful work in explaining reality. Just saying it's "obvious",
>>>> and "no one understands you" isn't enough (well, not unless you're a
>>>> teenager, at least.)
>>>> See everyone's responses to your posts, but especially Jason's, for any
>>>> number of approaches that might make this understandable.
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