Dear Russell, You wrote: "I don't know why you would think destructive scanning is necessary. I certainly don't. You only need to wire up the brains inputs and outputs. I thought the problem you were raising was how to emulate the universe with sufficient fidelity for it to count as visiting other universes. That seems quite doable to me, although it might require quantum computers. "
That might work for von Neumann computers but not for certain classes of topological computers. They do not depend on signal flows to operate. So doing the "I/O analysis of a black box" trick does not work so well. There are theorems... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_problem_(mathematics) Nah, we can safely ignore the rest of the world except as a heat reservoir with huge degrees of freedom. On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au>wrote: > On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 10:38:58PM -0500, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > Dear Russell, > > > > I am soo happy, BTW, that you participate in this list! > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au > >wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 09:08:04PM -0500, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > > > Dear Russell, > > > > > > > > I would agree with you IFF the substitution level is way above the > > > > micro-scale. Molecules do operate quantum mechanically and molecules > are > > > > above the substitution level. So I am skeptical. > > > > Virtual reality in silico would have to have have a quantum level > > > > resolution do do what D.D. would like. I think that we should take > his > > > > teleportation into the past = a VR of the past with a large dose of > salt. > > > > What was it that Feynman said about simulating the quantum with > classical > > > > machines? Something about exponential slow down. So I guess that we > could > > > > run a VR of the past, but it would be freaking expensive and not last > > > long. > > > > > > > > > > Who said we had to use a classical machine? At this point in time, > > > large quantum computers appear to be feasible, and this would get > > > around the difficulty you mention. > > > > > > Ultimately, all that is required is to generate information at the > > > rate at which we perceive it - large, certainly, by today's > > > technology - but certainly finite and down to Earth. > > > > > > But would we not have to destructively scan the system to be able to > > implement in on the Q-computer. No cloning! It seems that QM demands a > very > > strong form of FPI! I can not even know for sure by inspection of its > > states what computation it is. All I can gleam is a distribution of > > possible outputs given some prepared state. > > > > > > I don't know why you would think destructive scanning is necessary. I > certainly don't. You only need to wire up the brains inputs and > outputs. I thought the problem you were raising was how to > emulate the universe with sufficient fidelity for it to count as > visiting other universes. That seems quite doable to me, although it > might require quantum computers. > > -- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > Principal, High Performance Coders > Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au > University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/TBc_y2MZV5c/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify sender immediately and delete this message immediately.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
