On 23 Jun 2015, at 23:42, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
>>No, John Clark does not assume "comp", and I should know
because I am the world's greatest expert
> You stopped at step 3.
Of course I stopped, step 3 was crap. And in quoting me you
stopped before my last 3 words "on John Clark".
But your argument that step 3 is a crap has been shown to be based on
an equivocation of 1p and 3p.
> Comp is step 0.
No, "Comp" is Bruno's baby talk and I refuse to use baby
talk.
Nice, it means that step 0 is not baby talk. But by definition comp
*is* step 0.
>You did also agree that comp
I neither agree nor disagree with "comp". I don't agree
or disagree with a burp either.
You do again your wordplay that comp is not an abbreviation for
computationalism (actually a weaker and more precise version than in
the literature, as I take into account the notion of level).
>conceptually possible the use of the classical teleportation.
Which is step 1. And you did agree that the first person diary, in
that teleportation, could not notice possible delays in the
reconstitution. Step 2.
A diary being a inanimate object doesn't notice anything. And
what would a third person diary be?
The diary contained the experience, like "I feel myself to be in one
city". The third person diary is the diary not entering in the boxes.
All this is explained in the papers, posts, etc.
Everyone understand, but you ask the same and same question like if
they were never asked nor answered.
You try to hide the level of your ridicule behavior by going forward
in the ridicule.
> the sequence of W and M we would see in iterating it is not
predictable in advance
Pronouns suck! Who is "we"?
Each of the copies. As they are multiplied, and inquire on their
experiences, we interview all of them, or a reasonable sample.
> Also, you told us having sign a cryogeny contract for your
head.
Yes.
>What if they will first be only able to read it, and implement
JC in a computer?
That's exactly what I expect to happen, if I am very very very
lucky.
So you see, you say yes to a doctor not yet born. You are
computationalist. You practice comp!
> Is that possibility mentioned in the contract?
No promises of any sort are made in the contract because nobody is
sure if the freezing process will retain enough information to be
uploaded, all I'm sure of is that freezing my brain will retain more
information than if it rots in the ground or is burned up in a
crematorium.
We are never sure. The core physical laws seems reversible, and to
really eliminate information might be trickier than we think.
The point is that you are a believer in comp.
Bruno
John K Clark
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