I would like to see a quote by Dennet saying he changed his opinion, if you find one. Dennett is a rather nice guy, and his book with Hofstadter “Mind’s I” is the closer book to the universal machine theology. His book “brainstorms” was rather good, and I did appreciate his amount of lucidity against his own theory of consciousness shown in “Consciousness explained”, so I would not been astonished he changed its mind on this, as I would expect. But his materialism seems quite entrenched also. So ... > since a real materialist believes in the "first-class" status of (material) > experience (like Epicurus did). I suspect some word play here. “Material experience” is an oxymoron, once you assume computationalism. An experience is not a material things. It is not made of energy, wave or anything physical. That why non eliminativist materialist have to bring some identity thesis to associate mind and matter, but that is what leads to the mind-body problem and its apparent unsolvability. With mechanism, matter is conceptually explain as persistent hallucination by numbers. Those hallucination obeys the laws of computer science / arithmetic, and are constrained enough to give rise to the quantum logic of the observable. So we get a theory of matter, well verified by the empirical facts, from a theory of consciousness, where consciousness admits a semi-axiomatic definition, as above. Bruno > > - pt > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org > <mailto:email@example.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.