On 5/9/2019 3:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 3 May 2019, at 15:27, Terren Suydam <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
One way to get around this is to hold that consciousness is
associated with the way information is processed.
That is mechanism, but then you inherit infinitely many
body-representation in arithmetic, and the mind-body problem becomes
in part a justification of the appearances from a statistic to all
computations going through our brain. Then incompleteness explains
what this take the shape of a quantum reality.
This is substrate independent - the fact that a brain is physical is
beside the point. You could implement a brain in software, and
insofar as the same kinds of information processing occur, it would
be conscious in the same kind of way.
Only if it exists in the same kind of world.
I find this idea compelling because it makes the link between brains
and consciousness without requiring matter, and provides a framework
for understanding consciousnesses of other kinds of machines. All
that's required is to assume there is something it is like for
computation to occur.
Yes. Then it is sad that so few people are aware that the notion of
computation is a purely arithmetical definition, so that we don’t need
to assume more than Robison arithmetic. Worst, we cannot assume more,
without exploding the number of aberration histories.
Doesn't this worry you, that you are trimming your theory to get a
desired outcome? Is it empiricism?
This makes mechanism testable, by comparing the physics emerging from
the self-referential statistics on all computations with the inferred
physics. And it match well, were physics itself miss the relation with
the first person perspective, necessarily (assuming mechanism). A
materialist has a way out: to invoke infinite to make the link
brain-mind one-one, which it cannot be once we do the digital truncation.
That's only because you are assuming the mind is infinite...which seems
a little arrogant.
Brent
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