Consciousness "executing" in an immaterial (nonphysical) realm is what Christians call *Heaven*. God made this place.
Mormons have a more material afterlife idea, I think. @philipthrift On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 12:10:04 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > I think that is right. But when you consider some simplified cases, e.g. > a computation written out on paper (or Bruno's movie graph) it becomes > apparent that consciousness must ultimately refer to other things. Much is > made of "self-awareness" but this is usually just having an internal model > of one's body, or social standing or some other model of the self. It is > not consciousness of consciousness...that is only a temporal reflection: "I > was conscious just now." In general terms we could say consciousness is > awareness of the evironment, where that includes one's body. Damasio > identifies emotions as awareness of the bodies state. The point is that > the stuff of which we are aware and which we find agreement with other > people's awareness is what we infer to be the physical world. It might be > possible to be conscious in some sense without a physical world, but it > would be qualitatively different. > > Brent > > On 5/3/2019 6:27 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: > > One way to get around this is to hold that consciousness is associated > with the way information is processed. This is substrate independent - the > fact that a brain is physical is beside the point. You could implement a > brain in software, and insofar as the same kinds of information processing > occur, it would be conscious in the same kind of way. > > I find this idea compelling because it makes the link between brains and > consciousness without requiring matter, and provides a framework for > understanding consciousnesses of other kinds of machines. All that's > required is to assume there is something it is like for computation to > occur. > > Terren > > On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 2:26 AM <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: > >> >> >> On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 8:03:52 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/2/2019 4:55 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 5:37:26 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/2/2019 11:39 AM, [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Apparently *matter* is not "reducible" to just the physics a couple of >>>> particles. >>>> >>>> >>>> Then you're not a materialist. You think there is matter plus >>>> something else, that everyone calls "mind", but you're going to call it >>>> "matter" and add it to everyone else's list of matter so you can still >>>> call >>>> yourself a materialist. >>>> >>>> Brent >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> But everything reducing to the physics of particles is thought of as >>> *physicalism* (not materialism): >>> *Physicalism and materialism* >>> >>> Reductive physicalism >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductive_physicalism>...is normally >>> assumed to be incompatible with panpsychism. Materialism >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism>, if held to be distinct >>> from physicalism, is compatible with panpsychism insofar as mental >>> properties >>> >>> >>> What mental properties? intention? reflection? remembering? That's >>> what I mean by saying attributing "experience" to matter is an unprincipled >>> half-measure. >>> >>> Brent >>> >> >> >> Brains are matter, just as livers, legs, trees, tables, rocks, comets, >> planets, stars, cockroaches, galaxies, bacteria .. are matter. >> >> Brains produce intentions, reflections, remembrances, ... . >> >> So (at least some) matter of the cosmos has psychical (mental) properties. >> >> The body+mind idea, the idea that mind is something separate from body, >> is perhaps the worst idea ever invented. >> >> @philipthrift >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
