Thanks for the thoughful and articulate response. Well said. My snips are due to brevity rather than assigning a value to certain parts.
I like your analogy of the rooms. It works well, and fits with both experience and practice. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <snip> > Until there is an understanding / foundational perspective / > experience / lifeview that the intellect is functioning in its own > domain, by its own rules and does not need "volition" from a "me". > (See discussion with trinity some months back). This occurs when an > indentity with "being the decison maker" dissolves. Thanks, I'll search for this. <snip> > When effort is transcended, then the [meditation] process is what it > is. It just is. Someone said it would not be "meditation" if the > mantra does not appear, if some subtle effort is not made to go to the > mantra. Experience disagrees, at least when effort has been > transcended. Eyes close, vastness is. One can transcend on > "nothingness". Which is a process that I beleive Vaj is refering to: > objectless meditation. Though it is "paradoxical" -- in THAT process, > what is transcending what? > Nicely put. This also mirrors my experience--sit, close the eyes, silence, vastness. I downloaded one of the documents that Vaj posted a link to some time back which describes successive stages of meditation/transcending and found it very familiar. "Transcending on nothingness" is a good way to put it, paradox, notwithstanding. Having missed most of the earlier discussion with trinity you refer to (my time for ffl is limited), I don't have a sense of how common that experience is, either amongst long term TM practitioners, or "having-moved-on" TMers, or non-TMers. Such experiences aren't part of the teachings of TM, even though they seem to be a natural evolution. I don't think my experience can be that uncommon. Anyhow, thanks again for the insights and validation of experiences. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
