On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, 3:55pm (-0700), Jordan Ritter wrote: > It is _not_ okay for the SPAM decision process to be automated. > Razor2/SpamNet is about human determination _only_. No bots, no > machines, no algorithms. No message SPAM or otherwise should find its > way into the network without a human being specifically putting it > there.
I think this is a mistake in philosophy. I'm not a razor developer, but I am a developer. If there's one thing that's been constant over time, it's that most users are idiots. And a good chunk of the rest are creative enough to bend _your_ software to _their_ needs. The more users you have, the more this becomes true. Both groups have one thing in common: they are going to try to use your software in ways that you didn't intend. And if you don't stop them from doing it either with the software[1] or with a punishment[2], they're going to _keep_ doing it. No FAQ or manual (or, in most cases, reasoned arguments) is going to change that. Forget the other people in this thread arguing in favor of auto-reporting. How are you going to stop the hoards(?) who use Razor, but have never read the FAQ, or the manual, or this list, and probably never will??? Answer: interface restrictions or punishment. Understand that despite my last message where I described how I autoreport, I'm not saying that this is a good thing. It's just the way it is. The SA developers made a big step when they removed the ability to autoreport from _their_ software. That'll stop the ones who aren't smart enough to figure out how to do it through some other mechanism. But what about the rest. So the way I see it, there are four choices: 1) Software: Change Razor itself so that you can't autoreport. Nearly impossible. 2) Software: Change the Razor server so that only verified, trusted users can report at all. That'll reduce the pool of reporters to, what, 12? And it still falls apart if one of them lies. 3) Punishment: Make razor less effective if you autoreport. Seems to me that the trust system is well on its way to doing this already, at least if you autoreport badly. 4) Philosophy: Change the FAQ and the manual and the collective idea that you shouldn't autoreport. [1] "Are you sure you wish to delete this file?" [2] "rm -rf /" is punishment enough. :) -- Edward Hennis ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.vaxer.net/~eah Tide with Bleach is advertising itself as "the only detergent that kills 99.9% of bacteria", because people are too fucking science-illiterate to see that as "Tide with Bleach: adding evolutionary pressure to make Bacteria become scarier and more resistant to medical treatment." -KHftCEA 1999-09.3 ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Influence the future of Java(TM) technology. Join the Java Community Process(SM) (JCP(SM)) program now. http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?sunm0003en _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users
