subject:"\"RE\\\: Help\""

she wasn't the one who put the cat down it was a fill in vet working at her 
clinic. We didn't notify them to acuse  only to let them know that the other 
animal hospital that tested our other cats found it odd that none of them were 
positive. 

-Original Message-
>From: "Rosenfeldt, Diane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Mar 26, 2007 2:58 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: RE: Help - What are your opinions on this?
>
>Awkward.  In this case the test may not have been false positive -- the
>cat did have some symptoms associated with FeLV -- and if the cat's
>lungs were beginning to fill up etc. possibly PTS was the only kind
>thing to do -- but she really does need to know that there can be false
>positives among adult cats as well as among kittens, particularly with
>the in-office tests.  I gather that the vet who's being defensive is the
>one who put the positive one to sleep?  If so she may feel you're
>attacking her for doing so, questioning the positive diagnosis, and
>that's making her defensive.  But the point SHOULD be that IF she is
>assuming there can be no false positives in adult cats AND is basing her
>PTS protocols solely on tests that may or may not be accurate, then she
>may be costing some lives.
>
>Diane R.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie
>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 1:49 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: Help - What are your opinions on this?
>
>my husband said she sounded very defensive when she phoned
>
>-----Original Message-
>>From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Mar 26, 2007 2:46 PM
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>Subject: Re: Help - What are your opinions on this?
>>
>>agreed, unless you feel like educating her, which
>>might not be a bad idea.  if she isn't interested in
>>hearing what you have to say about false positives,
>>then run for the hills.
>>
>>:)
>>wendy
>>
>>--- Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> You need a new vet.  The in-office ELISA test has a
>>> very high ratio of false positives.  If I know this,
>>> then your vet should too.  She just doesn't do the
>>> research.
>>> 
>>> Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  After
>>> having our 14 cats tested for FELV (because we were
>>> told one we had tested positive and was put to sleep
>>> due to complications after a surgery) and they ALL
>>> came back negative we felt we should let the vet
>>> know. This was the answer we got. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "The Test result was not a false one. She said if it
>>> was a kitten then it might have been but not with an
>>> older cat."
>>> 
>>> This was the scenerio:
>>> 
>>> 1) cat was throwing up (however 2 others were also,
>>> but then they stopped)
>>> 2) vet x rayed - thought something was possibly
>>> stuck
>>> 3) operated and found lymph nodes were swollen
>>> 4) biopsy taken - No cancer
>>> 5) cat sent home and started to play, etc...
>>> 6) stopped eating like she should
>>> 7) took her back to vet
>>> 8) vet said there was fluid on lungs
>>> 9) vet asked if they could run a FELV test (I had
>>> told them in the beginning she had never been
>>> tested)
>>> 10) came back positive
>>> 11) vet recommended putting to sleep
>>> 12) said lungs would most likely keep filling up
>>> with fluids
>>> 13) cat was spayed female, never been sick, little
>>> thin, good appetite until throwing up (was feeding
>>> Friskies Pacific Salmon when all the throwing up
>>> started)
>>> 14) cat was approx. 2-3 yrs old, inside cat, housed
>>> and fed with 14 others.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>
>>
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RE: Help - What are your opinions on this?

2007-03-26 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane

Awkward.  In this case the test may not have been false positive -- the
cat did have some symptoms associated with FeLV -- and if the cat's
lungs were beginning to fill up etc. possibly PTS was the only kind
thing to do -- but she really does need to know that there can be false
positives among adult cats as well as among kittens, particularly with
the in-office tests.  I gather that the vet who's being defensive is the
one who put the positive one to sleep?  If so she may feel you're
attacking her for doing so, questioning the positive diagnosis, and
that's making her defensive.  But the point SHOULD be that IF she is
assuming there can be no false positives in adult cats AND is basing her
PTS protocols solely on tests that may or may not be accurate, then she
may be costing some lives.

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 1:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help - What are your opinions on this?

my husband said she sounded very defensive when she phoned

-Original Message-
>From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Mar 26, 2007 2:46 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: Help - What are your opinions on this?
>
>agreed, unless you feel like educating her, which
>might not be a bad idea.  if she isn't interested in
>hearing what you have to say about false positives,
>then run for the hills.
>
>:)
>wendy
>
>--- Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> You need a new vet.  The in-office ELISA test has a
>> very high ratio of false positives.  If I know this,
>> then your vet should too.  She just doesn't do the
>> research.
>> 
>> Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  After
>> having our 14 cats tested for FELV (because we were
>> told one we had tested positive and was put to sleep
>> due to complications after a surgery) and they ALL
>> came back negative we felt we should let the vet
>> know. This was the answer we got. 
>> 
>> 
>> "The Test result was not a false one. She said if it
>> was a kitten then it might have been but not with an
>> older cat."
>> 
>> This was the scenerio:
>> 
>> 1) cat was throwing up (however 2 others were also,
>> but then they stopped)
>> 2) vet x rayed - thought something was possibly
>> stuck
>> 3) operated and found lymph nodes were swollen
>> 4) biopsy taken - No cancer
>> 5) cat sent home and started to play, etc...
>> 6) stopped eating like she should
>> 7) took her back to vet
>> 8) vet said there was fluid on lungs
>> 9) vet asked if they could run a FELV test (I had
>> told them in the beginning she had never been
>> tested)
>> 10) came back positive
>> 11) vet recommended putting to sleep
>> 12) said lungs would most likely keep filling up
>> with fluids
>> 13) cat was spayed female, never been sick, little
>> thin, good appetite until throwing up (was feeding
>> Friskies Pacific Salmon when all the throwing up
>> started)
>> 14) cat was approx. 2-3 yrs old, inside cat, housed
>> and fed with 14 others.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
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Re: Help - What are your opinions on this?

2007-03-26 Thread wendy

yes, sadly that's true.  and all it takes is one bad
one to give the rest a bad rep, which is the case for
anything really.

:)
wendy

--- Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


-
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Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:
#ff;color: black;}we go between 3 vets in the
area. I personally thought operating for the throwing
up was unusual. She said the cat seemed pained in the
abdomen. They could only see a fuzzy patch on the x
rays which turned out to be swollen lymph nodes. You
asume though that vets like doctors know what is best.


-Original Message- 
From: Susan Hoffman 
Sent: Mar 26, 2007 2:37 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: Help - What are your opinions on this? 

You need a new vet.  The in-office ELISA test has a
very high ratio of false positives.  If I know this,
then your vet should too.  She just doesn't do the
research.

Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: After having
our 14 cats tested for FELV (because we were told one
we had tested positive and was put to sleep due to
complications after a surgery) and they ALL came back
negative we felt we should let the vet know. This was
the answer we got. 


"The Test result was not a false one. She said if it
was a kitten then it might have been but not with an
older cat."

This was the scenerio:

1) cat was throwing up (however 2 others were also,
but then they stopped)
2) vet x rayed - thought something was possibly stuck
3) operated and found lymph nodes were swollen
4) biopsy taken - No cancer
5) cat sent home and started to play, etc...
6) stopped eating like she should
7) took her back to vet
8) vet said there was fluid on lungs
9) vet asked if they could run a FELV test (I had told
them in the beginning she had never been tested)
10) came back positive
11) vet recommended putting to sleep
12) said lungs would most likely keep filling up with
fluids
13) cat was spayed female, never been sick, little
thin, good appetite until throwing up (was feeding
Friskies Pacific Salmon when all the throwing up
started)
14) cat was approx. 2-3 yrs old, inside cat, housed
and fed with 14 others.






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Re: Help - What are your opinions on this?

my husband said she sounded very defensive when she phoned

-Original Message-
>From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Mar 26, 2007 2:46 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: Help - What are your opinions on this?
>
>agreed, unless you feel like educating her, which
>might not be a bad idea.  if she isn't interested in
>hearing what you have to say about false positives,
>then run for the hills.
>
>:)
>wendy
>
>--- Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> You need a new vet.  The in-office ELISA test has a
>> very high ratio of false positives.  If I know this,
>> then your vet should too.  She just doesn't do the
>> research.
>> 
>> Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  After
>> having our 14 cats tested for FELV (because we were
>> told one we had tested positive and was put to sleep
>> due to complications after a surgery) and they ALL
>> came back negative we felt we should let the vet
>> know. This was the answer we got. 
>> 
>> 
>> "The Test result was not a false one. She said if it
>> was a kitten then it might have been but not with an
>> older cat."
>> 
>> This was the scenerio:
>> 
>> 1) cat was throwing up (however 2 others were also,
>> but then they stopped)
>> 2) vet x rayed - thought something was possibly
>> stuck
>> 3) operated and found lymph nodes were swollen
>> 4) biopsy taken - No cancer
>> 5) cat sent home and started to play, etc...
>> 6) stopped eating like she should
>> 7) took her back to vet
>> 8) vet said there was fluid on lungs
>> 9) vet asked if they could run a FELV test (I had
>> told them in the beginning she had never been
>> tested)
>> 10) came back positive
>> 11) vet recommended putting to sleep
>> 12) said lungs would most likely keep filling up
>> with fluids
>> 13) cat was spayed female, never been sick, little
>> thin, good appetite until throwing up (was feeding
>> Friskies Pacific Salmon when all the throwing up
>> started)
>> 14) cat was approx. 2-3 yrs old, inside cat, housed
>> and fed with 14 others.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
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Re: Help - What are your opinions on this?


we go between 3 vets in the area. I personally thought operating for the throwing up was unusual. She said the cat seemed pained in the abdomen. They could only see a fuzzy patch on the x rays which turned out to be swollen lymph nodes. You asume though that vets like doctors know what is best.

-Original Message- From: Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Mar 26, 2007 2:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Help - What are your opinions on this? You need a new vet.  The in-office ELISA test has a very high ratio of false positives.  If I know this, then your vet should too.  She just doesn't do the research.Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
After having our 14 cats tested for FELV (because we were told one we had tested positive and was put to sleep due to complications after a surgery) and they ALL came back negative we felt we should let the vet know. This was the answer we got. "The Test result was not a false one. She said if it was a kitten then it might have been but not with an older cat."This was the scenerio:1) cat was throwing up (however 2 others were also, but then they stopped)2) vet x rayed - thought something was possibly stuck3) operated and found lymph nodes were swollen4) biopsy taken - No cancer5) cat sent home and started to play, etc...6) stopped eating like she should7) took her back to vet8) vet said there was fluid on lungs9) vet asked if they could run a FELV test (I had told them in the beginning she had never been tested)10) came back positive11) vet recommended putting to sleep12) said lungs would most likely keep filling up with fluids13) cat was spayed female, never been sick, little thin, good appetite until throwing up (was feeding Friskies Pacific Salmon when all the throwing up started)14) cat was approx. 2-3 yrs old, inside cat, housed and fed with 14 others.

Re: Help - What are your opinions on this?

2007-03-26 Thread wendy

agreed, unless you feel like educating her, which
might not be a bad idea.  if she isn't interested in
hearing what you have to say about false positives,
then run for the hills.

:)
wendy

--- Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You need a new vet.  The in-office ELISA test has a
> very high ratio of false positives.  If I know this,
> then your vet should too.  She just doesn't do the
> research.
> 
> Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  After
> having our 14 cats tested for FELV (because we were
> told one we had tested positive and was put to sleep
> due to complications after a surgery) and they ALL
> came back negative we felt we should let the vet
> know. This was the answer we got. 
> 
> 
> "The Test result was not a false one. She said if it
> was a kitten then it might have been but not with an
> older cat."
> 
> This was the scenerio:
> 
> 1) cat was throwing up (however 2 others were also,
> but then they stopped)
> 2) vet x rayed - thought something was possibly
> stuck
> 3) operated and found lymph nodes were swollen
> 4) biopsy taken - No cancer
> 5) cat sent home and started to play, etc...
> 6) stopped eating like she should
> 7) took her back to vet
> 8) vet said there was fluid on lungs
> 9) vet asked if they could run a FELV test (I had
> told them in the beginning she had never been
> tested)
> 10) came back positive
> 11) vet recommended putting to sleep
> 12) said lungs would most likely keep filling up
> with fluids
> 13) cat was spayed female, never been sick, little
> thin, good appetite until throwing up (was feeding
> Friskies Pacific Salmon when all the throwing up
> started)
> 14) cat was approx. 2-3 yrs old, inside cat, housed
> and fed with 14 others.
> 
> 
> 


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Re: Help - What are your opinions on this?

2007-03-26 Thread wendy

I don't agree.  False positives are common, and the
frequency depends on the type of test given.  What
type of test did they do?

:)
Wendy

--- Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> After having our 14 cats tested for FELV (because we
> were told one we had tested positive and was put to
> sleep due to complications after a surgery) and they
> ALL came back negative we felt we should let the vet
> know. This was the answer we got.  
> 
> 
> "The Test result was not a false one. She said if it
> was a kitten then it might have been but not with an
> older cat."
> 
> This was the scenerio:
> 
> 1) cat was throwing up (however 2 others were also,
> but then they stopped)
> 2) vet x rayed - thought something was possibly
> stuck
> 3) operated and found lymph nodes were swollen
> 4) biopsy taken - No cancer
> 5) cat sent home and started to play, etc...
> 6) stopped eating like she should
> 7) took her back to vet
> 8) vet said there was fluid on lungs
> 9) vet asked if they could run a FELV test (I had
> told them in the beginning she had never been
> tested)
> 10) came back positive
> 11) vet recommended putting to sleep
> 12) said lungs would most likely keep filling up
> with fluids
> 13) cat was spayed female, never been sick, little
> thin, good appetite until throwing up (was feeding
> Friskies Pacific Salmon when all the throwing up
> started)
> 14) cat was approx. 2-3 yrs old, inside cat, housed
> and fed with 14 others.
> 
> 


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Re: Help - What are your opinions on this?

2007-03-26 Thread Susan Hoffman

You need a new vet.  The in-office ELISA test has a very high ratio of false 
positives.  If I know this, then your vet should too.  She just doesn't do the 
research.

Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  After having our 14 cats tested for FELV 
(because we were told one we had tested positive and was put to sleep due to 
complications after a surgery) and they ALL came back negative we felt we 
should let the vet know. This was the answer we got. 


"The Test result was not a false one. She said if it was a kitten then it might 
have been but not with an older cat."

This was the scenerio:

1) cat was throwing up (however 2 others were also, but then they stopped)
2) vet x rayed - thought something was possibly stuck
3) operated and found lymph nodes were swollen
4) biopsy taken - No cancer
5) cat sent home and started to play, etc...
6) stopped eating like she should
7) took her back to vet
8) vet said there was fluid on lungs
9) vet asked if they could run a FELV test (I had told them in the beginning 
she had never been tested)
10) came back positive
11) vet recommended putting to sleep
12) said lungs would most likely keep filling up with fluids
13) cat was spayed female, never been sick, little thin, good appetite until 
throwing up (was feeding Friskies Pacific Salmon when all the throwing up 
started)
14) cat was approx. 2-3 yrs old, inside cat, housed and fed with 14 others.

Re: Help - What are your opinions on this?

In case my question wasn't clear - I wondered about your opinions on how our 
vet handled all of this? The vet that tested our 14 cats is not the same as the 
vet who put the other cat to sleep.

-Original Message-
>From: Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Mar 26, 2007 2:30 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Help - What are your opinions on this?
>
>After having our 14 cats tested for FELV (because we were told one we had 
>tested positive and was put to sleep due to complications after a surgery) and 
>they ALL came back negative we felt we should let the vet know. This was the 
>answer we got.  
>
>
>"The Test result was not a false one. She said if it was a kitten then it 
>might have been but not with an older cat."
>
>This was the scenerio:
>
>1) cat was throwing up (however 2 others were also, but then they stopped)
>2) vet x rayed - thought something was possibly stuck
>3) operated and found lymph nodes were swollen
>4) biopsy taken - No cancer
>5) cat sent home and started to play, etc...
>6) stopped eating like she should
>7) took her back to vet
>8) vet said there was fluid on lungs
>9) vet asked if they could run a FELV test (I had told them in the beginning 
>she had never been tested)
>10) came back positive
>11) vet recommended putting to sleep
>12) said lungs would most likely keep filling up with fluids
>13) cat was spayed female, never been sick, little thin, good appetite until 
>throwing up (was feeding Friskies Pacific Salmon when all the throwing up 
>started)
>14) cat was approx. 2-3 yrs old, inside cat, housed and fed with 14 others.
>

Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)

2007-02-28 Thread wendy

Cricket lived until he was 4.5 years (and I still hold
that the FeLV would not have kicked in had he not been
stressed out by 10 extra people living in our home for
a week during Hurrican Katrina).  It's quite possible
I had him vaccinated for FeLV when he was a kitten.  I
made a note to self to check his records when I get
home, and if he was, I'll post.  

:)
Wendy


--- TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> that's very interesting, gloria--it would be neat to
> hear others chime in on
> this. you, my friend's mom... wouldn't it be a kick
> to find out that the
> vaccine actually DID have a beneficial effect, after
> all this time??
> 
> heaven knows, there hasn't been nearly enough
> research done with this virus
> to know much one way or another--a lot or anecdotal
> reports might guide new
> research if it existed, tho.
> 
> On 2/28/07, Gloria B. Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yup, I don't vaccinate for Rabies either.  Just
> adopted out a nice Persian
> > to an older lady, we talked about it and then
> agreed not to vaccinate for
> > Rabies.  She took kitty to the vet, who promptly
> recommended (and did)
> > rabies vacination.  Ain't that life.
> >
> > I have always been of the mind NOT to vaccinate
> pos. for FELV - but like I
> > say, these are the ONLY FELV cats that I've seen
> live past 3 yrs of age.
> > Something to ponder.
> >
> > Gloria
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:34 AM
> > Subject: Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help
> needed)
> >
> >
> > > Gloria,
> > > Once upon a time there was a thread on the list
> talking about the
> > possible
> > > benefits of vaccinating a pos cat.  Maybe it was
> something that you
> > posted
> > > about these particular kitties from OK?  Some
> healthy animals have
> > adverse
> > > reactions to vaccines of any sort, it may have
> more to do with the
> > stress
> > > of dealing with the vaccine then the fact that
> it is the felv vac in
> > > particular.  After all, it is never recommended
> to vaccinate an animal
> > > that is showing symptoms of any kind.  Perhaps
> the theory of not
> > > vaccinating a felv pos asymptomatic cat comes
> from the fear that the
> > > stress will activate the virus, and not
> necessarily anything in
> > particular
> > > about the felv vac in and of itself.  I wouldn't
> vac a felv pos cat for
> > > felv on purpose, not unless I could be convinced
> about the possible
> > > benefits.  I also wouldn't vac a pos cat for
> rabies because there is
> > > little chance of my house cat coming in contact
> with disease.
> > > Nina
> > >
> > > Gloria Lane wrote:
> > >> BUT, MC, Have you ever heard that it was
> beneficial?  That's what this
> > >> lady's vet was saying.
> > >>
> > >> Gloria
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Feb 27, 2007, at 6:25 PM, TenHouseCats
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> i've never seen anything that said that
> vaccinating positive cats HURT
> > >>> them--or activated the virus, as some folks
> have claimed--just that it
> > >>> was a waste of money and vaccine
> > >>>
> > >>> i have a friend whose mom's cat died of FeLV
> complications a year or
> > so
> > >>> ago--they'd never tested her when she came to
> them as a kitten 8 years
> > >>> or so before, so she was just regularly
> vaccinated!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 2/27/07, *Gloria Lane*
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I hate to use it too - I know there are
> different varieties that
> > >>> are preferable, and I've heard to avoid
> the ones that are
> > >>> combined with other vaccines.
> > >>>
> > >>> Interesting thing - I've always heard to
> avoid vaccinating
> > >>> positives with the FELV vaccine.  But I've
> learned to be open to
> > >>> other options - since I took in 3 FELV
> cats from a lady in
> > >>> Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a couple of years
> ago?  They're 10-11 years
> > >>> old now.  Her vet vaccinated them for
> FELV, as a way of dealing
> > >>> with the FELV.  And they're alive today,
> and I've never had one
> > >>> live that long.  Go figure.
> > >>>
> > >>> Gloria
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
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Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)

2007-02-28 Thread TenHouseCats


yeah, that's the thing with rabies--if your locale requires it, and you do
NOT have up-to-date vaccinations, all of your animals can be confiscated.
however, in the case of elderly or impaired cats, most jurisdictions will
accept exemption letters from a vet.

On 2/28/07, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


It is against the law here to not vaccinate against rabies.  I could have
my rescue closed down if I transferred an unvaccinated cat, either to
another rescue or to an adopter.  Otherwise I wouldn't vaccinate against
rabies either.

On 2/28/07, Gloria B. Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yup, I don't vaccinate for Rabies either.  Just adopted out a nice
> Persian
> to an older lady, we talked about it and then agreed not to vaccinate
> for
> Rabies.  She took kitty to the vet, who promptly recommended (and did)
> rabies vacination.  Ain't that life.
>
> I have always been of the mind NOT to vaccinate pos. for FELV - but like
> I
> say, these are the ONLY FELV cats that I've seen live past 3 yrs of age.
>
> Something to ponder.
>
> Gloria
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: < felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:34 AM
> Subject: Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)
>
>
> > Gloria,
> > Once upon a time there was a thread on the list talking about the
> possible
> > benefits of vaccinating a pos cat.  Maybe it was something that you
> posted
> > about these particular kitties from OK?  Some healthy animals have
> adverse
> > reactions to vaccines of any sort, it may have more to do with the
> stress
> > of dealing with the vaccine then the fact that it is the felv vac in
> > particular.  After all, it is never recommended to vaccinate an animal
> > that is showing symptoms of any kind.  Perhaps the theory of not
> > vaccinating a felv pos asymptomatic cat comes from the fear that the
> > stress will activate the virus, and not necessarily anything in
> particular
> > about the felv vac in and of itself.  I wouldn't vac a felv pos cat
> for
> > felv on purpose, not unless I could be convinced about the possible
> > benefits.  I also wouldn't vac a pos cat for rabies because there is
> > little chance of my house cat coming in contact with disease.
> > Nina
> >
> > Gloria Lane wrote:
> >> BUT, MC, Have you ever heard that it was beneficial?  That's what
> this
> >> lady's vet was saying.
> >>
> >> Gloria
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 27, 2007, at 6:25 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:
> >>
> >>> i've never seen anything that said that vaccinating positive cats
> HURT
> >>> them--or activated the virus, as some folks have claimed--just that
> it
> >>> was a waste of money and vaccine
> >>>
> >>> i have a friend whose mom's cat died of FeLV complications a year or
> so
> >>> ago--they'd never tested her when she came to them as a kitten 8
> years
> >>> or so before, so she was just regularly vaccinated!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 2/27/07, *Gloria Lane* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I hate to use it too - I know there are different varieties that
> >>> are preferable, and I've heard to avoid the ones that are
> >>> combined with other vaccines.
> >>>
> >>> Interesting thing - I've always heard to avoid vaccinating
> >>> positives with the FELV vaccine.  But I've learned to be open to
>
> >>> other options - since I took in 3 FELV cats from a lady in
> >>> Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a couple of years ago?  They're 10-11
> years
> >>> old now.  Her vet vaccinated them for FELV, as a way of dealing
> >>> with the FELV.  And they're alive today, and I've never had one
> >>> live that long.  Go figure.
> >>>
> >>> Gloria
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


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Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)

2007-02-28 Thread Kelley Saveika


It is against the law here to not vaccinate against rabies.  I could have my
rescue closed down if I transferred an unvaccinated cat, either to another
rescue or to an adopter.  Otherwise I wouldn't vaccinate against rabies
either.

On 2/28/07, Gloria B. Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yup, I don't vaccinate for Rabies either.  Just adopted out a nice Persian
to an older lady, we talked about it and then agreed not to vaccinate for
Rabies.  She took kitty to the vet, who promptly recommended (and did)
rabies vacination.  Ain't that life.

I have always been of the mind NOT to vaccinate pos. for FELV - but like I
say, these are the ONLY FELV cats that I've seen live past 3 yrs of age.
Something to ponder.

Gloria




- Original Message -
From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)


> Gloria,
> Once upon a time there was a thread on the list talking about the
possible
> benefits of vaccinating a pos cat.  Maybe it was something that you
posted
> about these particular kitties from OK?  Some healthy animals have
adverse
> reactions to vaccines of any sort, it may have more to do with the
stress
> of dealing with the vaccine then the fact that it is the felv vac in
> particular.  After all, it is never recommended to vaccinate an animal
> that is showing symptoms of any kind.  Perhaps the theory of not
> vaccinating a felv pos asymptomatic cat comes from the fear that the
> stress will activate the virus, and not necessarily anything in
particular
> about the felv vac in and of itself.  I wouldn't vac a felv pos cat for
> felv on purpose, not unless I could be convinced about the possible
> benefits.  I also wouldn't vac a pos cat for rabies because there is
> little chance of my house cat coming in contact with disease.
> Nina
>
> Gloria Lane wrote:
>> BUT, MC, Have you ever heard that it was beneficial?  That's what this
>> lady's vet was saying.
>>
>> Gloria
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2007, at 6:25 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:
>>
>>> i've never seen anything that said that vaccinating positive cats HURT
>>> them--or activated the virus, as some folks have claimed--just that it
>>> was a waste of money and vaccine
>>>
>>> i have a friend whose mom's cat died of FeLV complications a year or
so
>>> ago--they'd never tested her when she came to them as a kitten 8 years
>>> or so before, so she was just regularly vaccinated!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/27/07, *Gloria Lane* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I hate to use it too - I know there are different varieties that
>>> are preferable, and I've heard to avoid the ones that are
>>> combined with other vaccines.
>>>
>>> Interesting thing - I've always heard to avoid vaccinating
>>> positives with the FELV vaccine.  But I've learned to be open to
>>> other options - since I took in 3 FELV cats from a lady in
>>> Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a couple of years ago?  They're 10-11 years
>>> old now.  Her vet vaccinated them for FELV, as a way of dealing
>>> with the FELV.  And they're alive today, and I've never had one
>>> live that long.  Go figure.
>>>
>>> Gloria
>>>
>
>
>






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Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)

2007-02-28 Thread TenHouseCats


that's very interesting, gloria--it would be neat to hear others chime in on
this. you, my friend's mom... wouldn't it be a kick to find out that the
vaccine actually DID have a beneficial effect, after all this time??

heaven knows, there hasn't been nearly enough research done with this virus
to know much one way or another--a lot or anecdotal reports might guide new
research if it existed, tho.

On 2/28/07, Gloria B. Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yup, I don't vaccinate for Rabies either.  Just adopted out a nice Persian
to an older lady, we talked about it and then agreed not to vaccinate for
Rabies.  She took kitty to the vet, who promptly recommended (and did)
rabies vacination.  Ain't that life.

I have always been of the mind NOT to vaccinate pos. for FELV - but like I
say, these are the ONLY FELV cats that I've seen live past 3 yrs of age.
Something to ponder.

Gloria




- Original Message -
From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)


> Gloria,
> Once upon a time there was a thread on the list talking about the
possible
> benefits of vaccinating a pos cat.  Maybe it was something that you
posted
> about these particular kitties from OK?  Some healthy animals have
adverse
> reactions to vaccines of any sort, it may have more to do with the
stress
> of dealing with the vaccine then the fact that it is the felv vac in
> particular.  After all, it is never recommended to vaccinate an animal
> that is showing symptoms of any kind.  Perhaps the theory of not
> vaccinating a felv pos asymptomatic cat comes from the fear that the
> stress will activate the virus, and not necessarily anything in
particular
> about the felv vac in and of itself.  I wouldn't vac a felv pos cat for
> felv on purpose, not unless I could be convinced about the possible
> benefits.  I also wouldn't vac a pos cat for rabies because there is
> little chance of my house cat coming in contact with disease.
> Nina
>
> Gloria Lane wrote:
>> BUT, MC, Have you ever heard that it was beneficial?  That's what this
>> lady's vet was saying.
>>
>> Gloria
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2007, at 6:25 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:
>>
>>> i've never seen anything that said that vaccinating positive cats HURT
>>> them--or activated the virus, as some folks have claimed--just that it
>>> was a waste of money and vaccine
>>>
>>> i have a friend whose mom's cat died of FeLV complications a year or
so
>>> ago--they'd never tested her when she came to them as a kitten 8 years
>>> or so before, so she was just regularly vaccinated!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/27/07, *Gloria Lane* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I hate to use it too - I know there are different varieties that
>>> are preferable, and I've heard to avoid the ones that are
>>> combined with other vaccines.
>>>
>>> Interesting thing - I've always heard to avoid vaccinating
>>> positives with the FELV vaccine.  But I've learned to be open to
>>> other options - since I took in 3 FELV cats from a lady in
>>> Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a couple of years ago?  They're 10-11 years
>>> old now.  Her vet vaccinated them for FELV, as a way of dealing
>>> with the FELV.  And they're alive today, and I've never had one
>>> live that long.  Go figure.
>>>
>>> Gloria
>>>
>
>
>






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Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)

2007-02-28 Thread Gloria B. Lane

Yup, I don't vaccinate for Rabies either.  Just adopted out a nice Persian 
to an older lady, we talked about it and then agreed not to vaccinate for 
Rabies.  She took kitty to the vet, who promptly recommended (and did) 
rabies vacination.  Ain't that life.


I have always been of the mind NOT to vaccinate pos. for FELV - but like I 
say, these are the ONLY FELV cats that I've seen live past 3 yrs of age. 
Something to ponder.


Gloria




- Original Message - 
From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)



Gloria,
Once upon a time there was a thread on the list talking about the possible 
benefits of vaccinating a pos cat.  Maybe it was something that you posted 
about these particular kitties from OK?  Some healthy animals have adverse 
reactions to vaccines of any sort, it may have more to do with the stress 
of dealing with the vaccine then the fact that it is the felv vac in 
particular.  After all, it is never recommended to vaccinate an animal 
that is showing symptoms of any kind.  Perhaps the theory of not 
vaccinating a felv pos asymptomatic cat comes from the fear that the 
stress will activate the virus, and not necessarily anything in particular 
about the felv vac in and of itself.  I wouldn't vac a felv pos cat for 
felv on purpose, not unless I could be convinced about the possible 
benefits.  I also wouldn't vac a pos cat for rabies because there is 
little chance of my house cat coming in contact with disease.

Nina

Gloria Lane wrote:
BUT, MC, Have you ever heard that it was beneficial?  That's what this 
lady's vet was saying.


Gloria



On Feb 27, 2007, at 6:25 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:

i've never seen anything that said that vaccinating positive cats HURT 
them--or activated the virus, as some folks have claimed--just that it 
was a waste of money and vaccine


i have a friend whose mom's cat died of FeLV complications a year or so 
ago--they'd never tested her when she came to them as a kitten 8 years 
or so before, so she was just regularly vaccinated!



On 2/27/07, *Gloria Lane* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:


I hate to use it too - I know there are different varieties that
are preferable, and I've heard to avoid the ones that are
combined with other vaccines.

Interesting thing - I've always heard to avoid vaccinating
positives with the FELV vaccine.  But I've learned to be open to
other options - since I took in 3 FELV cats from a lady in
Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a couple of years ago?  They're 10-11 years
old now.  Her vet vaccinated them for FELV, as a way of dealing
with the FELV.  And they're alive today, and I've never had one
live that long.  Go figure.

Gloria

Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)

2007-02-28 Thread TenHouseCats


no, i've never heard that it was of any benefit.


On 2/28/07, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


BUT, MC, Have you ever heard that it was beneficial?  That's what this
lady's vet was saying.
Gloria



On Feb 27, 2007, at 6:25 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:

i've never seen anything that said that vaccinating positive cats HURT
them--or activated the virus, as some folks have claimed--just that it was a
waste of money and vaccine

i have a friend whose mom's cat died of FeLV complications a year or so
ago--they'd never tested her when she came to them as a kitten 8 years or so
before, so she was just regularly vaccinated!


On 2/27/07, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I hate to use it too - I know there are different varieties that are
> preferable, and I've heard to avoid the ones that are combined with other
> vaccines.
> Interesting thing - I've always heard to avoid vaccinating positives
> with the FELV vaccine.  But I've learned to be open to other options - since
> I took in 3 FELV cats from a lady in Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a couple of years
> ago?  They're 10-11 years old now.  Her vet vaccinated them for FELV, as a
> way of dealing with the FELV.  And they're alive today, and I've never had
> one live that long.  Go figure.
>
> Gloria
>
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:41 PM, Kelly L wrote:
>
> At 06:29 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote:
>
>
> Oh I totally understand. The FELV vaccine is one I *hate* to use. I have
> had very healthy negative cats have horrible reactions to it. I dread using
> it, and I make sure I have the necessary meds incase they do have a
> reaction. and with an immune compromised cat it could be worse i agree. I
> would not feel comfortable mixing a known positive with non vaccinated
> negatives and if finances was an issue as the test can be expensive I would
> error on the side of caution,
> We just do the best we can and weight the potential outcomes.
> Kelly
>
> the main reason I don't like to vaccinate positives is I had one cat
> that was very healthy despite the FeLV+ status and the vet accidently gave
> him the vaccine, he went down hill immediately and then diedNOW, I doubt
> there was a connection, but. it was my vets who said don't vaccinate the
> positives and this was an honest mix up (I have many cats and brought them
> en mass for vaccines...)
>
> so if I know they are positive, I don't vaccinate.
>
> Tracy
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Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)

2007-02-28 Thread Nina


Gloria,
Once upon a time there was a thread on the list talking about the 
possible benefits of vaccinating a pos cat.  Maybe it was something that 
you posted about these particular kitties from OK?  Some healthy animals 
have adverse reactions to vaccines of any sort, it may have more to do 
with the stress of dealing with the vaccine then the fact that it is the 
felv vac in particular.  After all, it is never recommended to vaccinate 
an animal that is showing symptoms of any kind.  Perhaps the theory of 
not vaccinating a felv pos asymptomatic cat comes from the fear that the 
stress will activate the virus, and not necessarily anything in 
particular about the felv vac in and of itself.  I wouldn't vac a felv 
pos cat for felv on purpose, not unless I could be convinced about the 
possible benefits.  I also wouldn't vac a pos cat for rabies because 
there is little chance of my house cat coming in contact with disease.

Nina

Gloria Lane wrote:
BUT, MC, Have you ever heard that it was beneficial?  That's what this 
lady's vet was saying.


Gloria



On Feb 27, 2007, at 6:25 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:

i've never seen anything that said that vaccinating positive cats 
HURT them--or activated the virus, as some folks have claimed--just 
that it was a waste of money and vaccine


i have a friend whose mom's cat died of FeLV complications a year or 
so ago--they'd never tested her when she came to them as a kitten 8 
years or so before, so she was just regularly vaccinated!



On 2/27/07, *Gloria Lane* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


I hate to use it too - I know there are different varieties that
are preferable, and I've heard to avoid the ones that are
combined with other vaccines.

Interesting thing - I've always heard to avoid vaccinating
positives with the FELV vaccine.  But I've learned to be open to
other options - since I took in 3 FELV cats from a lady in
Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a couple of years ago?  They're 10-11 years
old now.  Her vet vaccinated them for FELV, as a way of dealing
with the FELV.  And they're alive today, and I've never had one
live that long.  Go figure.

Gloria

Re: Help needed

2007-02-28 Thread Gloria Lane

The Oklahoma vet thought it might help too.  I have no idea - but  
these cats are now 9-10 years old.  I should have them tested again,  
just hate to stress them.


There also may be a difference (in the effect on FELV cats) between  
the various vaccines.


Gloria



On Feb 27, 2007, at 9:05 PM, catatonya wrote:

I personally have never heard of this happening.  In fact my vet  
vaccinated my positive twice saying it might help and couldn't  
hurt.  (This was over 10 years ago..)  But many cats are  
vaccinated without being tested, and unless the cat were already  
sick and showing symptoms I doubt the vaccine would hurt.  I would  
vaccinate everyone.  I don't think it would cause a negative cat to  
become positive.  Just my 2 cents from my experience.

t

Chris Behnke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You have to be careful with vaccinating because there are cases  
where that has caused a cat to become positive.  That was another  
thing the vet talked to me about.  She feels that as long as they  
are indoors, it is not required to vaccinate as the vaccaine is not  
100% guaranteed.


Chris

- Original Message -
From: Kelly L
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: Help needed

At 03:50 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote


As I mentioned I had one positive and 13 negative...ALL stayed  
negativevery very very hard to catch even my positive cats best  
friend, mutual grooming cuddling etc never go it and that was 7  
years ago.

Kelly

:
Personally, I would not spend the money to test.  If you test you  
have to retest later, etc  I would instead vaccinate everyone  
as I could afford it.  Start with the youngest.  They are most  
susceptible.  That's just my opinion of what I'd do in your  
situation.

t

Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The cats were all spayed and neutered and had all shots except the  
feline leukemia. They have been to the vet yearly or whenever  
needed. We aquired so many at once we could not afford the testing  
and shots. A lady I worked with found 3 kittens in a dumpster, 2  
weeks later 4 more - we bottle raised all of them and they all  
lived. At that same time a stray came in winter and had 4 babies.  
They all lived also. A month after this we took a trip 500 miles  
away and found 2 kittens starving in a field in  the middle of  
nowhere. We brought them back. These were tested (not sure why vet  
decided this) and they were ok at that time. All the cats got  
along and seldon fought. If they did it was not the biting,  
scratching, etc... Soon after that a cat roamed up at a barbeque  
we had. She was young and in heat. We did not want her to get  
pregnant and she stayed so we brought her in. She was a very shy  
cat. She liked attention but seldom went near the others. Her  
eyes, nose, and mouth were clear (no discharge). A few weeks ago  
she started throwing up. We took her to the vet. She had nver been  
seriously ill (none have). They are all around 4 yrs, old now.  
Anyhow the vet said something was probably stuck in her intestines  
so they operated. All they found was enlarged lymph nodes. They  
did a biopsy and said they were not cancerous. She started doing  
better but then it was hard to get her to eat. We took her back in  
and they said her lungs had fluid in them. They drained it off.  
After all of this they came back and said she tested postive for  
leukemia. They recommended putting her to sleep.
Now we have a nightmare. We have all the others, plus just paid  
out $700.00 for a cat that they ended up putting down. Don't know  
if the operation threw her into it all or what.
We are going to have the others tested but it will be over  
$1000.00. We feel awful. If you don't have the money though it  
isn't always as some people think to keep up with everything.



-Original Message-
From: Kelley Saveika
Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help needed

I don't think anyone can give you odds on that.  I would say it  
would be unlikely that they will all be positive and quite  
possible that none will be positive.  If there is anything I have  
learned from this list it is that FELV is pretty hard to catch.   
Were any of the cats vaccinated against FELV?


On 2/26/07, Debbie < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What are the odds of having 15 cats and one tests postive - will  
the others all be postive? These are cats that are strictly  
indoors now in a 1200 square foot house. The infected cat was not  
outwardly sick and di not socialize with the other cats, however  
they used same litter boxes and ate from same dishes.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. All cats are close to same  
age, different litters, aquired at the same time.





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Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)

2007-02-28 Thread Gloria Lane

BUT, MC, Have you ever heard that it was beneficial?  That's what  
this lady's vet was saying.


Gloria



On Feb 27, 2007, at 6:25 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:

i've never seen anything that said that vaccinating positive cats  
HURT them--or activated the virus, as some folks have claimed--just  
that it was a waste of money and vaccine


i have a friend whose mom's cat died of FeLV complications a year  
or so ago--they'd never tested her when she came to them as a  
kitten 8 years or so before, so she was just regularly vaccinated!



On 2/27/07, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I hate to use it too - I know there are different varieties that  
are preferable, and I've heard to avoid the ones that are combined  
with other vaccines.


Interesting thing - I've always heard to avoid vaccinating  
positives with the FELV vaccine.  But I've learned to be open to  
other options - since I took in 3 FELV cats from a lady in  
Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a couple of years ago?  They're 10-11 years  
old now.  Her vet vaccinated them for FELV, as a way of dealing  
with the FELV.  And they're alive today, and I've never had one  
live that long.  Go figure.


Gloria



On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:41 PM, Kelly L wrote:


At 06:29 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote:


Oh I totally understand. The FELV vaccine is one I hate to use. I  
have had very healthy negative cats have horrible reactions to it.  
I dread using it, and I make sure I have the necessary meds incase  
they do have a reaction. and with an immune compromised cat it  
could be worse i agree. I would not feel comfortable mixing a  
known positive with non vaccinated negatives and if finances was  
an issue as the test can be expensive I would error on the side of  
caution,

We just do the best we can and weight the potential outcomes.
Kelly

the main reason I don't like to vaccinate positives is I had one  
cat that was very healthy despite the FeLV+ status and the vet  
accidently gave him the vaccine, he went down hill immediately  
and then diedNOW, I doubt there was a connection, but. it  
was my vets who said don't vaccinate the positives and this was  
an honest mix up (I have many cats and brought them en mass for  
vaccines...)


so if I know they are positive, I don't vaccinate.

Tracy
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Re: Help needed

2007-02-27 Thread catatonya

I personally have never heard of this happening.  In fact my vet vaccinated my 
positive twice saying it might help and couldn't hurt.  (This was over 10 years 
ago..)  But many cats are vaccinated without being tested, and unless 
the cat were already sick and showing symptoms I doubt the vaccine would hurt.  
I would vaccinate everyone.  I don't think it would cause a negative cat to 
become positive.  Just my 2 cents from my experience.
  t

Chris Behnke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  You have to be careful with vaccinating because there are cases where 
that has caused a cat to become positive.  That was another thing the vet 
talked to me about.  She feels that as long as they are indoors, it is not 
required to vaccinate as the vaccaine is not 100% guaranteed.
   
  Chris
   
- Original Message - 
  From: Kelly L 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:05 PM
  Subject: Re: Help needed
  

At 03:50 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote


As I mentioned I had one positive and 13 negative...ALL stayed negativevery 
very very hard to catch even my positive cats best friend, mutual grooming 
cuddling etc never go it and that was 7 years ago.
Kelly

:
  Personally, I would not spend the money to test.  If you test you have to 
retest later, etc  I would instead vaccinate everyone as I could afford it. 
 Start with the youngest.  They are most susceptible.  That's just my opinion 
of what I'd do in your situation.
t

Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

   The cats were all spayed and neutered and had all shots except the feline 
leukemia. They have been to the vet yearly or whenever needed. We aquired so 
many at once we could not afford the testing and shots. A lady I worked with 
found 3 kittens in a dumpster, 2 weeks later 4 more - we bottle raised all of 
them and they all lived. At that same time a stray came in winter and had 4 
babies. They all lived also. A month after this we took a trip 500 miles away 
and found 2 kittens starving in a field in  the middle of nowhere. We brought 
them back. These were tested (not sure why vet decided this) and they were ok 
at that time. All the cats got along and seldon fought. If they did it was not 
the biting, scratching, etc... Soon after that a cat roamed up at a barbeque we 
had. She was young and in heat. We did not want her to get pregnant and she 
stayed so we brought her in. She was a very shy cat. She liked attention but 
seldom went near the others. Her eyes, nose, and mouth
 were clear (no discharge). A few weeks ago she started throwing up. We took 
her to the vet. She had nver been seriously ill (none have). They are all 
around 4 yrs, old now. Anyhow the vet said something was probably stuck in her 
intestines so they operated. All they found was enlarged lymph nodes. They did 
a biopsy and said they were not cancerous. She started doing better but then it 
was hard to get her to eat. We took her back in and they said her lungs had 
fluid in them. They drained it off. After all of this they came back and said 
she tested postive for leukemia. They recommended putting her to sleep. 
  
   Now we have a nightmare. We have all the others, plus just paid out $700.00 
for a cat that they ended up putting down. Don't know if the operation threw 
her into it all or what.
  
   We are going to have the others tested but it will be over $1000.00. We feel 
awful. If you don't have the money though it isn't always as some people think 
to keep up with everything. 



   -Original Message- 
  
   From: Kelley Saveika 
  
   Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:25 AM 
  
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
   Subject: Re: Help needed 

  
   I don't think anyone can give you odds on that.  I would say it would be 
unlikely that they will all be positive and quite possible that none will be 
positive.  If there is anything I have learned from this list it is that FELV 
is pretty hard to catch.  Were any of the cats vaccinated against FELV? 

  
   On 2/26/07, Debbie < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

   What are the odds of having 15 cats and one tests postive - will the others 
all be postive? These are cats that are strictly indoors now in a 1200 square 
foot house. The infected cat was not outwardly sick and di not socialize with 
the other cats, however they used same litter boxes and ate from same dishes. 
  
   Any help would be greatly appreciated. All cats are close to same age, 
different litters, aquired at the same time.




  
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Re: Help needed

2007-02-27 Thread catatonya

I had 12 cats when I found out one was positive and had been with everyone else 
for months.  I spent a lot of money retesting and everyone else has remained 
negative.  I then brought in another positive (on purpose) because I am not 
worried about my cats catching the leukemia.  The negative cats do need to be 
vaccinated.  It doesn't 'hurt' if you vaccinate someone and they later turn out 
to be positive.  But unless someone gets sick I wouldn't test them again.
   
  All my cats mix freely together, eat together, use same litters, etc
   
  tonya

Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  What are the odds of having 15 cats and one tests postive - will the others 
all be postive? These are cats that are strictly indoors now in a 1200 square 
foot house. The infected cat was not outwardly sick and di not socialize with 
the other cats, however they used same litter boxes and ate from same dishes. 
Any help would be greatly appreciated. All cats are close to same age, 
different litters, aquired at the same time.

Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)

2007-02-27 Thread TenHouseCats


i've never seen anything that said that vaccinating positive cats HURT
them--or activated the virus, as some folks have claimed--just that it was a
waste of money and vaccine

i have a friend whose mom's cat died of FeLV complications a year or so
ago--they'd never tested her when she came to them as a kitten 8 years or so
before, so she was just regularly vaccinated!


On 2/27/07, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I hate to use it too - I know there are different varieties that are
preferable, and I've heard to avoid the ones that are combined with other
vaccines.
Interesting thing - I've always heard to avoid vaccinating positives with
the FELV vaccine.  But I've learned to be open to other options - since I
took in 3 FELV cats from a lady in Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a couple of years
ago?  They're 10-11 years old now.  Her vet vaccinated them for FELV, as a
way of dealing with the FELV.  And they're alive today, and I've never had
one live that long.  Go figure.

Gloria



On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:41 PM, Kelly L wrote:

At 06:29 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote:


Oh I totally understand. The FELV vaccine is one I *hate* to use. I have
had very healthy negative cats have horrible reactions to it. I dread using
it, and I make sure I have the necessary meds incase they do have a
reaction. and with an immune compromised cat it could be worse i agree. I
would not feel comfortable mixing a known positive with non vaccinated
negatives and if finances was an issue as the test can be expensive I would
error on the side of caution,
We just do the best we can and weight the potential outcomes.
Kelly

the main reason I don't like to vaccinate positives is I had one cat that
was very healthy despite the FeLV+ status and the vet accidently gave him
the vaccine, he went down hill immediately and then diedNOW, I doubt
there was a connection, but. it was my vets who said don't vaccinate the
positives and this was an honest mix up (I have many cats and brought them
en mass for vaccines...)

so if I know they are positive, I don't vaccinate.

Tracy
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Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)

2007-02-27 Thread Gloria Lane

I hate to use it too - I know there are different varieties that are  
preferable, and I've heard to avoid the ones that are combined with  
other vaccines.


Interesting thing - I've always heard to avoid vaccinating positives  
with the FELV vaccine.  But I've learned to be open to other options  
- since I took in 3 FELV cats from a lady in Oklahoma. Hmmm, maybe a  
couple of years ago?  They're 10-11 years old now.  Her vet  
vaccinated them for FELV, as a way of dealing with the FELV.  And  
they're alive today, and I've never had one live that long.  Go figure.


Gloria



On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:41 PM, Kelly L wrote:


At 06:29 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote:


Oh I totally understand. The FELV vaccine is one I hate to use. I  
have had very healthy negative cats have horrible reactions to it.  
I dread using it, and I make sure I have the necessary meds incase  
they do have a reaction. and with an immune compromised cat it  
could be worse i agree. I would not feel comfortable mixing a known  
positive with non vaccinated negatives and if finances was an issue  
as the test can be expensive I would error on the side of caution,

We just do the best we can and weight the potential outcomes.
Kelly

the main reason I don't like to vaccinate positives is I had one  
cat that was very healthy despite the FeLV+ status and the vet  
accidently gave him the vaccine, he went down hill immediately and  
then diedNOW, I doubt there was a connection, but. it was  
my vets who said don't vaccinate the positives and this was an  
honest mix up (I have many cats and brought them en mass for  
vaccines...)


so if I know they are positive, I don't vaccinate.

Tracy
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Re: Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)


At 06:29 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote:


Oh I totally understand. The FELV vaccine is one I hate to use. I 
have had very healthy negative cats have horrible reactions to it. I 
dread using it, and I make sure I have the necessary meds incase they 
do have a reaction. and with an immune compromised cat it could be 
worse i agree. I would not feel comfortable mixing a known positive 
with non vaccinated negatives and if finances was an issue as the 
test can be expensive I would error on the side of caution,

We just do the best we can and weight the potential outcomes.
Kelly

the main reason I don't like to vaccinate positives is I had one cat 
that was very healthy despite the FeLV+ status and the vet 
accidently gave him the vaccine, he went down hill immediately and 
then diedNOW, I doubt there was a connection, but. it was my 
vets who said don't vaccinate the positives and this was an honest 
mix up (I have many cats and brought them en mass for vaccines...)


so if I know they are positive, I don't vaccinate.

Tracy
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Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)

2007-02-26 Thread Tracy Weese

the main reason I don't like to vaccinate positives is I had one cat that was 
very healthy despite the FeLV+ status and the vet accidently gave him the 
vaccine, he went down hill immediately and then diedNOW, I doubt there was 
a connection, but. it was my vets who said don't vaccinate the positives 
and this was an honest mix up (I have many cats and brought them en mass for 
vaccines...)

so if I know they are positive, I don't vaccinate.

Tracy

Re: Help needed

2007-02-26 Thread Sally Davis

Hi Debbie

I went through this scenario this past fall started with 11 cats. Two cats
became ill. One Died at the vets office was never tested for FeLV but I
guarantee based on symptoms he was also FeLV. This prompted testing of
Junior who tested positive and was sick with a 106.5 fever. Ok now I have 9
more cats with the high costs of testing and Junior had already cost me
$1000 bc he was hit by a car. I worked out something with the vet. They only
charged a short visit and tested 4-5 cats at a time plus the Idexx snap
test. They further gave me a multicat discount, and then finally Idexx had a
rebate at the time so I got refunded $15 from Idexx. The vets office even
submitted that paperwork.

Here was the bad news 2 more cats tested positive and one also tested for
FIV. He was sick when I got him from a shelter and was showing symptoms of
being sick again. I did have him PTS. Tiny tested positive, Junior's half
brother. Tiny was asymptomatic. Junior was sick with a URI for quite a while
following the positive test. Then an eye infection he is mostly blind now
due to the fact he already lost sight in the eye where he was hot by a car.
However the good news id he is stable now and has outlived the short term
life expectancy for FelV cats. I have him on several supplements and he
received a course of immuno regulin.

Tiny died Xmas day, but I was there and I do not think his FeLv status had
anything to do with it. He had some other undiagnosed condition that I could
guess at but it would only be a guess.

After I had all the cats tested I had them Vaccinated for everything, That
was expensive as well. I now have mixed the cats and no other cats have been
sick.

Daisy my newest baby is BIG TIME in heat. She has been screaming for two
days. She peed on my pillow last night and gain this morning marked my
headboard.Thank god her appt is tomorrow. The clinic was booked 7 weeksin
advance. She had never been in heat when I made the appointment.

Junior has a checkup next week. I need to call his vet this week to see if
she will refill his Tresaderm. It was fron another vet clinic where he was
treated for his car injuries. He ears have gotten better since I started
using it but I am out now. It seems he did have some kind of ear infection.

Thats about it. Good luck with your loved ones.

Sally Davis

On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I actually spoke to the local humane societies. I asked if I bought all
the shots if they knew someone who would give them to my cats for a donation
to their group. The vet we took Elsa to, also was their suggestion. The vet
suggested just vaccinating all without testing, when I mentioned this to the
humane society they disagreed! I'm thinking "this is great" - it's their vet
and they don't believe in her advice. They told me I should get all the cats
tested or expect to lose some or all of them to the disease.

-Original Message-
>From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Feb 26, 2007 2:47 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: Help needed
>
>I know how hard it is to come up with the cash and how expensive vet
>care can be.  I have been fortunate enough to find a rescue organization
>in my area that helps me with costs sometimes.  I've developed a
>relationship with them and they trust me enough to know that I have the
>cats best interest at heart.  If they have enough money in the till,
>they will pay for spay/neuters and some vet care for new arrivals.  If
>they don't, or if it's a procedure that their group wouldn't normally
>allocate funds to, they'll let me use their group discount, (at the vet
>that gives discounts to them), put the cost on their bill and then I pay
>them back in the form of a "donation".  This helps me because I get the
>discount and also can deduct the "donation" on my taxes.  It helps them
>because they can show my donation on their books, and of course they
>appreciate my efforts to help the animals.  Call around to all the
>groups in your area and tell them what you do for the cats in your
>care.  Let them know that you don't expect them to do anything for you,
>but would be grateful for suggestions and any help they might provide.
>They might have extra food/supplies to share, or they might be willing
>to let you use their vets for things like testing, vaccinations, or
>spay/neuters.  Some groups do their own vaccinations and testing, they
>may be willing to test your guys at their cost.  It never hurts to ask
>and usually it's so refreshing to them to get calls from people that are
>doing their part to help animals.  So many people call rescues to dump
>what should be their own responsibility in the rescue's lap and expect
>them to rush over and take care of whatever problem they need help with
>never taking into account how ov

Re: Help needed


At 06:07 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote:




never heard of a cat becoming positive from FELV  vaccineif that 
was the case no one would vaccinate their cats  and it would be taken 
off the market,
With the FIV vaccine once a cat has received it it will always TEST 
positive but not have it,



You have to be careful with vaccinating because there are cases 
where that has caused a cat to become positive.  That was another 
thing the vet talked to me about.  She feels that as long as they 
are indoors, it is not required to vaccinate as the vaccaine is not 
100% guaranteed.


Chris

- Original Message -
From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Kelly L
To: <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: Help needed

At 03:50 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote


As I mentioned I had one positive and 13 negative...ALL stayed 
negativevery very very hard to catch even my positive cats best 
friend, mutual grooming cuddling etc never go it and that was 7 years ago.

Kelly

:
Personally, I would not spend the money to test.  If you test you 
have to retest later, etc  I would instead vaccinate everyone 
as I could afford it.  Start with the youngest.  They are most 
susceptible.  That's just my opinion of what I'd do in your situation.

t

Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The cats were all spayed and neutered and had all shots except the 
feline leukemia. They have been to the vet yearly or whenever 
needed. We aquired so many at once we could not afford the testing 
and shots. A lady I worked with found 3 kittens in a dumpster, 2 
weeks later 4 more - we bottle raised all of them and they all 
lived. At that same time a stray came in winter and had 4 babies. 
They all lived also. A month after this we took a trip 500 miles 
away and found 2 kittens starving in a field in  the middle of 
nowhere. We brought them back. These were tested (not sure why vet 
decided this) and they were ok at that time. All the cats got along 
and seldon fought. If they did it was not the biting, scratching, 
etc... Soon after that a cat roamed up at a barbeque we had. She 
was young and in heat. We did not want her to get pregnant and she 
stayed so we brought her in. She was a very shy cat. She liked 
attention but seldom went near the others. Her eyes, nose, and 
mouth were clear (no discharge). A few weeks ago she started 
throwing up. We took her to the vet. She had nver been seriously 
ill (none have). They are all around 4 yrs, old now. Anyhow the vet 
said something was probably stuck in her intestines so they 
operated. All they found was enlarged lymph nodes. They did a 
biopsy and said they were not cancerous. She started doing better 
but then it was hard to get her to eat. We took her back in and 
they said her lungs had fluid in them. They drained it off. After 
all of this they came back and said she tested postive for 
leukemia. They recommended putting her to sleep.
Now we have a nightmare. We have all the others, plus just paid out 
$700.00 for a cat that they ended up putting down. Don't know if 
the operation threw her into it all or what.
We are going to have the others tested but it will be over 
$1000.00. We feel awful. If you don't have the money though it 
isn't always as some people think to keep up with everything.



-Original Message-
From: Kelley Saveika
Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help needed
I don't think anyone can give you odds on that.  I would say it 
would be unlikely that they will all be positive and quite possible 
that none will be positive.  If there is anything I have learned 
from this list it is that FELV is pretty hard to catch.  Were any 
of the cats vaccinated against FELV?
On 2/26/07, Debbie <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What are the odds of having 15 cats and one tests postive - will 
the others all be postive? These are cats that are strictly indoors 
now in a 1200 square foot house. The infected cat was not outwardly 
sick and di not socialize with the other cats, however they used 
same litter boxes and ate from same dishes.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. All cats are close to same 
age, different litters, aquired at the same time.





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Re: Help needed

2007-02-26 Thread Chris Behnke

You have to be careful with vaccinating because there are cases where that has 
caused a cat to become positive.  That was another thing the vet talked to me 
about.  She feels that as long as they are indoors, it is not required to 
vaccinate as the vaccaine is not 100% guaranteed.

Chris

  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelly L 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:05 PM
  Subject: Re: Help needed

  At 03:50 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote

  As I mentioned I had one positive and 13 negative...ALL stayed 
negativevery very very hard to catch even my positive cats best friend, 
mutual grooming cuddling etc never go it and that was 7 years ago.
  Kelly

  :

Personally, I would not spend the money to test.  If you test you have to 
retest later, etc  I would instead vaccinate everyone as I could afford it. 
 Start with the youngest.  They are most susceptible.  That's just my opinion 
of what I'd do in your situation.
t

Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  The cats were all spayed and neutered and had all shots except the feline 
leukemia. They have been to the vet yearly or whenever needed. We aquired so 
many at once we could not afford the testing and shots. A lady I worked with 
found 3 kittens in a dumpster, 2 weeks later 4 more - we bottle raised all of 
them and they all lived. At that same time a stray came in winter and had 4 
babies. They all lived also. A month after this we took a trip 500 miles away 
and found 2 kittens starving in a field in  the middle of nowhere. We brought 
them back. These were tested (not sure why vet decided this) and they were ok 
at that time. All the cats got along and seldon fought. If they did it was not 
the biting, scratching, etc... Soon after that a cat roamed up at a barbeque we 
had. She was young and in heat. We did not want her to get pregnant and she 
stayed so we brought her in. She was a very shy cat. She liked attention but 
seldom went near the others. Her eyes, nose, and mouth were clear (no 
discharge). A few weeks ago she started throwing up. We took her to the vet. 
She had nver been seriously ill (none have). They are all around 4 yrs, old 
now. Anyhow the vet said something was probably stuck in her intestines so they 
operated. All they found was enlarged lymph nodes. They did a biopsy and said 
they were not cancerous. She started doing better but then it was hard to get 
her to eat. We took her back in and they said her lungs had fluid in them. They 
drained it off. After all of this they came back and said she tested postive 
for leukemia. They recommended putting her to sleep. 

  Now we have a nightmare. We have all the others, plus just paid out 
$700.00 for a cat that they ended up putting down. Don't know if the operation 
threw her into it all or what.

  We are going to have the others tested but it will be over $1000.00. We 
feel awful. If you don't have the money though it isn't always as some people 
think to keep up with everything. 

-Original Message- 

From: Kelley Saveika 

Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:25 AM 

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Subject: Re: Help needed 

I don't think anyone can give you odds on that.  I would say it would 
be unlikely that they will all be positive and quite possible that none will be 
positive.  If there is anything I have learned from this list it is that FELV 
is pretty hard to catch.  Were any of the cats vaccinated against FELV? 

On 2/26/07, Debbie < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

  What are the odds of having 15 cats and one tests postive - will the 
others all be postive? These are cats that are strictly indoors now in a 1200 
square foot house. The infected cat was not outwardly sick and di not socialize 
with the other cats, however they used same litter boxes and ate from same 
dishes. 

  Any help would be greatly appreciated. All cats are close to same 
age, different litters, aquired at the same time.

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Re: Help needed


At 03:50 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote


As I mentioned I had one positive and 13 negative...ALL stayed 
negativevery very very hard to catch even my positive cats best 
friend, mutual grooming cuddling etc never go it and that was 7 years ago.

Kelly

:
Personally, I would not spend the money to test.  If you test you 
have to retest later, etc  I would instead vaccinate everyone as 
I could afford it.  Start with the youngest.  They are most 
susceptible.  That's just my opinion of what I'd do in your situation.

t

Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The cats were all spayed and neutered and had all shots except the 
feline leukemia. They have been to the vet yearly or whenever 
needed. We aquired so many at once we could not afford the testing 
and shots. A lady I worked with found 3 kittens in a dumpster, 2 
weeks later 4 more - we bottle raised all of them and they all 
lived. At that same time a stray came in winter and had 4 babies. 
They all lived also. A month after this we took a trip 500 miles 
away and found 2 kittens starving in a field in  the middle of 
nowhere. We brought them back. These were tested (not sure why vet 
decided this) and they were ok at that time. All the cats got along 
and seldon fought. If they did it was not the biting, scratching, 
etc... Soon after that a cat roamed up at a barbeque we had. She was 
young and in heat. We did not want her to get pregnant and she 
stayed so we brought her in. She was a very shy cat. She liked 
attention but seldom went near the others. Her eyes, nose, and mouth 
were clear (no discharge). A few weeks ago she started throwing up. 
We took her to the vet. She had nver been seriously ill (none have). 
They are all around 4 yrs, old now. Anyhow the vet said something 
was probably stuck in her intestines so they operated. All they 
found was enlarged lymph nodes. They did a biopsy and said they were 
not cancerous. She started doing better but then it was hard to get 
her to eat. We took her back in and they said her lungs had fluid in 
them. They drained it off. After all of this they came back and said 
she tested postive for leukemia. They recommended putting her to sleep.
Now we have a nightmare. We have all the others, plus just paid out 
$700.00 for a cat that they ended up putting down. Don't know if the 
operation threw her into it all or what.
We are going to have the others tested but it will be over $1000.00. 
We feel awful. If you don't have the money though it isn't always as 
some people think to keep up with everything.



-Original Message-
From: Kelley Saveika
Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help needed

I don't think anyone can give you odds on that.  I would say it 
would be unlikely that they will all be positive and quite possible 
that none will be positive.  If there is anything I have learned 
from this list it is that FELV is pretty hard to catch.  Were any of 
the cats vaccinated against FELV?


On 2/26/07, Debbie 
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What are the odds of having 15 cats and one tests postive - will the 
others all be postive? These are cats that are strictly indoors now 
in a 1200 square foot house. The infected cat was not outwardly sick 
and di not socialize with the other cats, however they used same 
litter boxes and ate from same dishes.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. All cats are close to same 
age, different litters, aquired at the same time.





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Re: Help needed


At 03:50 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote:




If you other cats are all adults, were it me, I would just go ahead 
and get the others the FELV killed vaccine,,,  and then not worry, 
Just take god care of that sweet little baby and do the best for her, 
I would not worry about testing all the others if money is an 
issue,If one become ill then you test on an as needed basis,
that is just what I would do,The surgery probably did not cause 
the problem, she was probably already positive

Kelly



Personally, I would not spend the money to test.  If you test you 
have to retest later, etc  I would instead vaccinate everyone as 
I could afford it.  Start with the youngest.  They are most 
susceptible.  That's just my opinion of what I'd do in your situation.

t

Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The cats were all spayed and neutered and had all shots except the 
feline leukemia. They have been to the vet yearly or whenever 
needed. We aquired so many at once we could not afford the testing 
and shots. A lady I worked with found 3 kittens in a dumpster, 2 
weeks later 4 more - we bottle raised all of them and they all 
lived. At that same time a stray came in winter and had 4 babies. 
They all lived also. A month after this we took a trip 500 miles 
away and found 2 kittens starving in a field in  the middle of 
nowhere. We brought them back. These were tested (not sure why vet 
decided this) and they were ok at that time. All the cats got along 
and seldon fought. If they did it was not the biting, scratching, 
etc... Soon after that a cat roamed up at a barbeque we had. She was 
young and in heat. We did not want her to get pregnant and she 
stayed so we brought her in. She was a very shy cat. She liked 
attention but seldom went near the others. Her eyes, nose, and mouth 
were clear (no discharge). A few weeks ago she started throwing up. 
We took her to the vet. She had nver been seriously ill (none have). 
They are all around 4 yrs, old now. Anyhow the vet said something 
was probably stuck in her intestines so they operated. All they 
found was enlarged lymph nodes. They did a biopsy and said they were 
not cancerous. She started doing better but then it was hard to get 
her to eat. We took her back in and they said her lungs had fluid in 
them. They drained it off. After all of this they came back and said 
she tested postive for leukemia. They recommended putting her to sleep.
Now we have a nightmare. We have all the others, plus just paid out 
$700.00 for a cat that they ended up putting down. Don't know if the 
operation threw her into it all or what.
We are going to have the others tested but it will be over $1000.00. 
We feel awful. If you don't have the money though it isn't always as 
some people think to keep up with everything.



-Original Message-
From: Kelley Saveika
Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help needed

I don't think anyone can give you odds on that.  I would say it 
would be unlikely that they will all be positive and quite possible 
that none will be positive.  If there is anything I have learned 
from this list it is that FELV is pretty hard to catch.  Were any of 
the cats vaccinated against FELV?


On 2/26/07, Debbie 
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What are the odds of having 15 cats and one tests postive - will the 
others all be postive? These are cats that are strictly indoors now 
in a 1200 square foot house. The infected cat was not outwardly sick 
and di not socialize with the other cats, however they used same 
litter boxes and ate from same dishes.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. All cats are close to same 
age, different litters, aquired at the same time.





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Re: Help needed

2007-02-26 Thread Tracy Weese

I'm not sure what the initial question/thread was but I am getting the drift 
that it has to do w/multiple cat household and trying to determine the FeLV 
status.  The only reason I really like to know is whether or not to vaccinate 
them-if I have a positive cat, I do not vaccinate them for FeLV+.  OTherwise, 
their status makes no real difference in my home (I have both positive and 
negative and don't separate them at all).  Well, I guess maybe, the ones I know 
are positive, I watch more closely, but heck, I've had negatives turn up with 
something sneaky and deadly more often than the positives (kidney failure, 
blockages, etc.)




Tracy 
- Original Message - 
From: Chris Behnke 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: 2/26/2007 8:18:22 PM 
Subject: Re: Help needed


I have 13 cats in a 1000 sq ft home.  They all interact and get along with each 
other, share the same food and water bowls.  So far only 2 have tested positive 
and these were hereditary.  My vet suggests that I only worry about testing if 
any of them become extremely sick, otherwise the chances are very slim that 
they will contract it.  Basically, I just keep an eye on everyone's health and 
only worry a little bit.

Chris

Re: Help needed

2007-02-26 Thread Chris Behnke

I have 13 cats in a 1000 sq ft home.  They all interact and get along with each 
other, share the same food and water bowls.  So far only 2 have tested positive 
and these were hereditary.  My vet suggests that I only worry about testing if 
any of them become extremely sick, otherwise the chances are very slim that 
they will contract it.  Basically, I just keep an eye on everyone's health and 
only worry a little bit.

Chris

Re: Help needed

2007-02-26 Thread catatonya

Personally, I would not spend the money to test.  If you test you have to 
retest later, etc  I would instead vaccinate everyone as I could afford it. 
 Start with the youngest.  They are most susceptible.  That's just my opinion 
of what I'd do in your situation.
  t

Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  The cats were all spayed and neutered and had all shots except the feline 
leukemia. They have been to the vet yearly or whenever needed. We aquired so 
many at once we could not afford the testing and shots. A lady I worked with 
found 3 kittens in a dumpster, 2 weeks later 4 more - we bottle raised all of 
them and they all lived. At that same time a stray came in winter and had 4 
babies. They all lived also. A month after this we took a trip 500 miles away 
and found 2 kittens starving in a field in  the middle of nowhere. We brought 
them back. These were tested (not sure why vet decided this) and they were ok 
at that time. All the cats got along and seldon fought. If they did it was not 
the biting, scratching, etc... Soon after that a cat roamed up at a barbeque we 
had. She was young and in heat. We did not want her to get pregnant and she 
stayed so we brought her in. She was a very shy cat. She liked attention but 
seldom went near the others. Her eyes, nose, and mouth
 were clear (no discharge). A few weeks ago she started throwing up. We took 
her to the vet. She had nver been seriously ill (none have). They are all 
around 4 yrs, old now. Anyhow the vet said something was probably stuck in her 
intestines so they operated. All they found was enlarged lymph nodes. They did 
a biopsy and said they were not cancerous. She started doing better but then it 
was hard to get her to eat. We took her back in and they said her lungs had 
fluid in them. They drained it off. After all of this they came back and said 
she tested postive for leukemia. They recommended putting her to sleep. 
  Now we have a nightmare. We have all the others, plus just paid out $700.00 
for a cat that they ended up putting down. Don't know if the operation threw 
her into it all or what.
  We are going to have the others tested but it will be over $1000.00. We feel 
awful. If you don't have the money though it isn't always as some people think 
to keep up with everything. 



  -Original Message- 
From: Kelley Saveika 
Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:25 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: Help needed 

I don't think anyone can give you odds on that.  I would say it would be 
unlikely that they will all be positive and quite possible that none will be 
positive.  If there is anything I have learned from this list it is that FELV 
is pretty hard to catch.  Were any of the cats vaccinated against FELV? 

  On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   What are the odds of having 
15 cats and one tests postive - will the others all be postive? These are cats 
that are strictly indoors now in a 1200 square foot house. The infected cat was 
not outwardly sick and di not socialize with the other cats, however they used 
same litter boxes and ate from same dishes. 
Any help would be greatly appreciated. All cats are close to same age, 
different litters, aquired at the same time.





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Re: To Kat Re: Help needed

2007-02-26 Thread Kat

Hi Wendy, 

I don't think you need a script just for the test, but it cannot be sold
outside of the United States (at least not by Revival...)

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, wendy wrote:

> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:52:16 -0800 (PST)
> From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: To Kat Re: Help needed
> 
> Kat,
> 
> Do you know if a prescription is needed before buying
> the FeLV tests online?
> 
> :)
> wendy
> 
> 
>  
> 
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> 
>

Re: To Kat Re: Help needed


don't think so.

On 2/26/07, wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Kat,

Do you know if a prescription is needed before buying
the FeLV tests online?

:)
wendy





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Re: Help needed


ask your vet about buying the tests in bulk from idexx, and your paying for
them directly--and they just charging you for drawing the blood and running
them. all he can do is say, "no."...

or find a 501(c)3 rescue group that has an account with idexx--they'll sell
their tests, which many consider to be the most reliable, at, i think
$8/test in quantities of 30 for 501(c)3s.



On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I actually spoke to the local humane societies. I asked if I bought all
the shots if they knew someone who would give them to my cats for a donation
to their group. The vet we took Elsa to, also was their suggestion. The vet
suggested just vaccinating all without testing, when I mentioned this to the
humane society they disagreed! I'm thinking "this is great" - it's their vet
and they don't believe in her advice. They told me I should get all the cats
tested or expect to lose some or all of them to the disease.



-Original Message-
>From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Feb 26, 2007 2:47 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: Help needed
>
>I know how hard it is to come up with the cash and how expensive vet
>care can be.  I have been fortunate enough to find a rescue organization
>in my area that helps me with costs sometimes.  I've developed a
>relationship with them and they trust me enough to know that I have the
>cats best interest at heart.  If they have enough money in the till,
>they will pay for spay/neuters and some vet care for new arrivals.  If
>they don't, or if it's a procedure that their group wouldn't normally
>allocate funds to, they'll let me use their group discount, (at the vet
>that gives discounts to them), put the cost on their bill and then I pay
>them back in the form of a "donation".  This helps me because I get the
>discount and also can deduct the "donation" on my taxes.  It helps them
>because they can show my donation on their books, and of course they
>appreciate my efforts to help the animals.  Call around to all the
>groups in your area and tell them what you do for the cats in your
>care.  Let them know that you don't expect them to do anything for you,
>but would be grateful for suggestions and any help they might provide.
>They might have extra food/supplies to share, or they might be willing
>to let you use their vets for things like testing, vaccinations, or
>spay/neuters.  Some groups do their own vaccinations and testing, they
>may be willing to test your guys at their cost.  It never hurts to ask
>and usually it's so refreshing to them to get calls from people that are
>doing their part to help animals.  So many people call rescues to dump
>what should be their own responsibility in the rescue's lap and expect
>them to rush over and take care of whatever problem they need help with
>never taking into account how overwhelmed and under resourced they
>are.   Approach them in the right way, and I'm sure you'll find a
>valuable resource.
>
>I'm glad if the group has helped you to feel less alone in the good work
>you are doing.  It's been a Godsend to me and so many others.  I love
>the people here!  Good luck Debbie, I hope you stay in touch and let us
>know how you guys are doing.
>Nina
>
>Debbie wrote:
>> My husband and I agreed to have the cats all tested. We called close to
20 vets for pricing. None are extremely cheap. The cheapest test by itself
was close to $38.00. There was only one vet that offered a "snap test"
cheaper. It is somewhat aggravating because we have spent close to $10,
000.00 on the cats and paid all in cash. No one vet seems willing to
reduce rates by that much. We will end up I am sure paying at least $900.00
(this yr. alone). Guess they don't realize eventually the money will run
out. If it weren't for my husband I would never be able to do this. He
retired in the U.K. and moved to the U.S. He took an early lump sum
retirement. That is the only way we have been able to do this. I work full
time but we live on about $32,000.00/ yrly. before taxes. There are so
many pets in need and also people. Sometimes it gets very overwelming. Sure
wish we got tax breaks for pet care, but heck most people are lucky to get
reimbursed for human healthcare these days.
>>
>> I want to thank EVERYONE for answering my post. All the info. has been
greatly appreciated. It is nice to hear from others who love animals like I
do. I am at work at the moment and the folks here really don't care at all
about pets. It is refreshing to hear that there are people out there that
do. Thanks again. Please stay in touch.
>>
>> regards,
>> Debbie
>
>
>






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Re: Help needed

I actually spoke to the local humane societies. I asked if I bought all the 
shots if they knew someone who would give them to my cats for a donation to 
their group. The vet we took Elsa to, also was their suggestion. The vet 
suggested just vaccinating all without testing, when I mentioned this to the 
humane society they disagreed! I'm thinking "this is great" - it's their vet 
and they don't believe in her advice. They told me I should get all the cats 
tested or expect to lose some or all of them to the disease. 



-Original Message-
>From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Feb 26, 2007 2:47 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: Help needed
>
>I know how hard it is to come up with the cash and how expensive vet 
>care can be.  I have been fortunate enough to find a rescue organization 
>in my area that helps me with costs sometimes.  I've developed a 
>relationship with them and they trust me enough to know that I have the 
>cats best interest at heart.  If they have enough money in the till, 
>they will pay for spay/neuters and some vet care for new arrivals.  If 
>they don't, or if it's a procedure that their group wouldn't normally 
>allocate funds to, they'll let me use their group discount, (at the vet 
>that gives discounts to them), put the cost on their bill and then I pay 
>them back in the form of a "donation".  This helps me because I get the 
>discount and also can deduct the "donation" on my taxes.  It helps them 
>because they can show my donation on their books, and of course they 
>appreciate my efforts to help the animals.  Call around to all the 
>groups in your area and tell them what you do for the cats in your 
>care.  Let them know that you don't expect them to do anything for you, 
>but would be grateful for suggestions and any help they might provide.  
>They might have extra food/supplies to share, or they might be willing 
>to let you use their vets for things like testing, vaccinations, or 
>spay/neuters.  Some groups do their own vaccinations and testing, they 
>may be willing to test your guys at their cost.  It never hurts to ask 
>and usually it's so refreshing to them to get calls from people that are 
>doing their part to help animals.  So many people call rescues to dump 
>what should be their own responsibility in the rescue's lap and expect 
>them to rush over and take care of whatever problem they need help with 
>never taking into account how overwhelmed and under resourced they 
>are.   Approach them in the right way, and I'm sure you'll find a 
>valuable resource.
>
>I'm glad if the group has helped you to feel less alone in the good work 
>you are doing.  It's been a Godsend to me and so many others.  I love 
>the people here!  Good luck Debbie, I hope you stay in touch and let us 
>know how you guys are doing.
>Nina
>
>Debbie wrote:
>> My husband and I agreed to have the cats all tested. We called close to 20 
>> vets for pricing. None are extremely cheap. The cheapest test by itself was 
>> close to $38.00. There was only one vet that offered a "snap test" cheaper. 
>> It is somewhat aggravating because we have spent close to $10,000.00 on the 
>> cats and paid all in cash. No one vet seems willing to reduce rates by that 
>> much. We will end up I am sure paying at least $900.00 (this yr. alone). 
>> Guess they don't realize eventually the money will run out. If it weren't 
>> for my husband I would never be able to do this. He retired in the U.K. and 
>> moved to the U.S. He took an early lump sum retirement. That is the only way 
>> we have been able to do this. I work full time but we live on about 
>> $32,000.00/ yrly. before taxes. There are so many pets in need and also 
>> people. Sometimes it gets very overwelming. Sure wish we got tax breaks for 
>> pet care, but heck most people are lucky to get reimbursed for human 
>> healthcare these days.
>>
>> I want to thank EVERYONE for answering my post. All the info. has been 
>> greatly appreciated. It is nice to hear from others who love animals like I 
>> do. I am at work at the moment and the folks here really don't care at all 
>> about pets. It is refreshing to hear that there are people out there that 
>> do. Thanks again. Please stay in touch.
>>
>> regards,
>> Debbie
>
>
>

To Kat Re: Help needed

Kat,

Do you know if a prescription is needed before buying
the FeLV tests online?

:)
wendy


 

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Re: Help needed

2007-02-26 Thread Nina

I know how hard it is to come up with the cash and how expensive vet 
care can be.  I have been fortunate enough to find a rescue organization 
in my area that helps me with costs sometimes.  I've developed a 
relationship with them and they trust me enough to know that I have the 
cats best interest at heart.  If they have enough money in the till, 
they will pay for spay/neuters and some vet care for new arrivals.  If 
they don't, or if it's a procedure that their group wouldn't normally 
allocate funds to, they'll let me use their group discount, (at the vet 
that gives discounts to them), put the cost on their bill and then I pay 
them back in the form of a "donation".  This helps me because I get the 
discount and also can deduct the "donation" on my taxes.  It helps them 
because they can show my donation on their books, and of course they 
appreciate my efforts to help the animals.  Call around to all the 
groups in your area and tell them what you do for the cats in your 
care.  Let them know that you don't expect them to do anything for you, 
but would be grateful for suggestions and any help they might provide.  
They might have extra food/supplies to share, or they might be willing 
to let you use their vets for things like testing, vaccinations, or 
spay/neuters.  Some groups do their own vaccinations and testing, they 
may be willing to test your guys at their cost.  It never hurts to ask 
and usually it's so refreshing to them to get calls from people that are 
doing their part to help animals.  So many people call rescues to dump 
what should be their own responsibility in the rescue's lap and expect 
them to rush over and take care of whatever problem they need help with 
never taking into account how overwhelmed and under resourced they 
are.   Approach them in the right way, and I'm sure you'll find a 
valuable resource.


I'm glad if the group has helped you to feel less alone in the good work 
you are doing.  It's been a Godsend to me and so many others.  I love 
the people here!  Good luck Debbie, I hope you stay in touch and let us 
know how you guys are doing.

Nina

Debbie wrote:

My husband and I agreed to have the cats all tested. We called close to 20 vets for 
pricing. None are extremely cheap. The cheapest test by itself was close to $38.00. There 
was only one vet that offered a "snap test" cheaper. It is somewhat aggravating 
because we have spent close to $10,000.00 on the cats and paid all in cash. No one vet 
seems willing to reduce rates by that much. We will end up I am sure paying at least 
$900.00 (this yr. alone). Guess they don't realize eventually the money will run out. If 
it weren't for my husband I would never be able to do this. He retired in the U.K. and 
moved to the U.S. He took an early lump sum retirement. That is the only way we have been 
able to do this. I work full time but we live on about $32,000.00/ yrly. before taxes. 
There are so many pets in need and also people. Sometimes it gets very overwelming. Sure 
wish we got tax breaks for pet care, but heck most people are lucky to get reimbursed for 
human healthcare these days.

I want to thank EVERYONE for answering my post. All the info. has been greatly 
appreciated. It is nice to hear from others who love animals like I do. I am at 
work at the moment and the folks here really don't care at all about pets. It 
is refreshing to hear that there are people out there that do. Thanks again. 
Please stay in touch.

regards,
Debbie

Re: Help needed

I totally agree!  Pets often give us what we can't get
from humans!!!

:)
Wendy

--- Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Again I just want to say Thank You. This post has
> been so helpful. Most groups ignore new post or you
> might get one opinion. Everyone here has been so
> helpful. I have always loved cats and will go on
> loving them. When I was a child my mother suffered
> from schizophrenia - often times I felt very
> "alone." My cats were my best friends. We lived
> isolated in the country and mom and dad never put
> out food for the cats (although I used to snitch
> bread and milk for them). Back then they were
> expected to catch mice and fend for themselves. I
> found that even without them getting food on a
> regular basis they still stayed and still showed
> love! That type of companionship and friendship can
> never be replaced.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Help needed

Debbie,

There is financial help out there.  "Scholarships" if
you will.  Especially if you are living on a fixed
income, and are a senior.  Here's just one link with
links to places that will help out!  I gave this list
to one lady on the hyperthyroidism site, and one of
the groups helped her out!

http://www.cavycareinc.org/help_w_vet_bills.htm

:)
Wendy

--- Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My husband and I agreed to have the cats all tested.
> We called close to 20 vets for pricing. None are
> extremely cheap. The cheapest test by itself was
> close to $38.00. There was only one vet that offered
> a "snap test" cheaper. It is somewhat aggravating
> because we have spent close to $10,000.00 on the
> cats and paid all in cash. No one vet seems willing
> to reduce rates by that much. We will end up I am
> sure paying at least $900.00 (this yr. alone). Guess
> they don't realize eventually the money will run
> out. If it weren't for my husband I would never be
> able to do this. He retired in the U.K. and moved to
> the U.S. He took an early lump sum retirement. That
> is the only way we have been able to do this. I work
> full time but we live on about $32,000.00/ yrly.
> before taxes. There are so many pets in need and
> also people. Sometimes it gets very overwelming.
> Sure wish we got tax breaks for pet care, but heck
> most people are lucky to get reimbursed for human
> healthcare these days.
> 
> I want to thank EVERYONE for answering my post. All
> the info. has been greatly appreciated. It is nice
> to hear from others who love animals like I do. I am
> at work at the moment and the folks here really
> don't care at all about pets. It is refreshing to
> hear that there are people out there that do. Thanks
> again. Please stay in touch.
> 
> regards,
> Debbie 
> 
> -----Original Message-
> >From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Feb 26, 2007 1:33 PM
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Subject: Re: Help needed
> >
> >Hi Debbie,
> >
> >It sounds like you and your husband are doing and
> have
> >done everything you can.  That's all anyone can ask
> >for.  Don't be so hard on yourself; you've taken a
> lot
> >on.  I agree that printing off information and
> taking
> >it to your vet would be wise, although since it's
> so
> >expensive there, you might look into low cost
> clinics
> >that are the closest.  Most likely they will be
> >located in the more densely populated cities, like
> >Cincinnati, etc.  That would probably save you
> quite a
> >bit of money and the clinic might be willing to
> work
> >with you pricewise since you have so many (ie. only
> >charging for one office visit instead of 15, etc.).
> 
> >Your current vet should also be willing to work
> with
> >you pricewise.  If not, I'd start looking
> elsewhere. 
> >Definitely do not allow any pts.  That is an old
> >school practice.  
> >
> >:)
> >Wendy
> >
> >
> > 
>
>
> >Now that's room service!  Choose from over 150,000
> hotels
> >in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find
> your fit.
> >http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
> >
> 
> 
> 



 

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Re: Help needed

2007-02-26 Thread Kat

Debbie, 

I don't know if you know any vet techs that would come to your house and
draw a tiny bit of blood from some of your kitties, but you can buy the
FeLV test kits online CHEAPER at the Revival Animal Health website.

The STAT Screen FeLV Test  at RevivalAnimal.com at
http://www.revivalanimal.com/product.asp?pn=99%2D033 
for under $8 a test (sold in lots of 10 tests).
It is a whole blood test, not a saliva test.

The Assure FeLv Leukemia Virus Antigen Test Kit is also available at
http://www.revivalanimal.com/product.asp?pn=99%2D004  
for a little under $10 a test (sold in lots of 25 tests).

Where there's a will, there's a way...

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, Debbie wrote:

> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:25:18 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: Help needed
> 
> Again I just want to say Thank You. This post has been so helpful. Most 
> groups ignore new post or you might get one opinion. Everyone here has been 
> so helpful. I have always loved cats and will go on loving them. When I was a 
> child my mother suffered from schizophrenia - often times I felt very 
> "alone." My cats were my best friends. We lived isolated in the country and 
> mom and dad never put out food for the cats (although I used to snitch bread 
> and milk for them). Back then they were expected to catch mice and fend for 
> themselves. I found that even without them getting food on a regular basis 
> they still stayed and still showed love! That type of companionship and 
> friendship can never be replaced.
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: Help needed


At 10:07 AM 2/26/2007, you wrote:

I am sort of rural, about 7 years ago we discovered one of our cats 
who had been living with the group was FELV pos...first test was wrong..
Well we panicked and tokk in 18 other cats to be tested, They had 
been living together for years and sharing food etc,,,All were 
negative, We cleaned,,bleached and disinfected the house and kept 
this poor little feral girl in her own room,She was pretty ill 
and died in about a month despite a lot of treatment,
8 years later and my cat population has doubled, I am caring for a 
FELV cat for a girl for i year, Although Max basically has his own 
room he share with an older female who is negative but vaccinated, he 
does get out a lot and there is some contact, Do I worry, Heck 
no..Is he healthy, YUP!!
I did the I.R protocol, then got some Feline Omega Interferon and am 
now on Alferon,,,I will retest him in a few more months and hope he 
cleared the virus. If not he will still have a happy wonderful loved life
My vets are wonderful and would never suggest euthanizing an FELV cat 
or FIV either, Ther do not even worry about mixing,

Kelly
www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com
,




http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html

play out the wonderful articles on FeLV that phaewyrn has collected 
on the above page, and sit down with your vet and go over them. 
believe us, it doesn't matter what size city you're in, there are 
good and bad vets everywhere--what matters is if they are willing to 
learn for so long, the treatment of choice for FeLV was 
euthanasia, so too many vets just stopped bothering to find out if 
that had changed


you gave elsa love and warmth, and a home--that can only be a good thing.

MC

On 2/26/07, Debbie <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
all of our cats are within 3 1/2 to 4 yr. group, so no one is 
elderly. We have one cat that had problems with urinary tract 
crystals, 2 with hormone problems (loss of hair by tail), and only 
one that is what I would call thin. They all run, jump, play, eat 
well, and like I said they have all their other vaccinations.


Does the group feel like a snap test is accurate at all? If we have 
them tested can I know that a negative is truly a negative? I doubt 
we will be able to retest everyone if we test all 14 now.
How do you think a vet should approach this sort of thing? I live in 
a rural community so our vets are more than likely not exceptionally 
qualified on feline leukemia. No insult intened.






-Original Message-
From: TenHouseCats
Sent: Feb 26, 2007 12:35 PM
To: <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help needed

have to agree with what the majority have said--by now, the others 
have all been exposed anyway, and since 70% of healthy, adult cats 
can be exposed and throw the virus off, the odds that your menagerie 
is mostly safe if high. as far as i know, once a cat has been 
exposed and has thrown off the virus, further exposure isn't going 
to  affect it, so even if some ARE positive, the others aren't going 
to "re-catch" it, and separating out any positives now is sort of 
locking the barn door after etc.  i'd only really worry about any 
new cats brought into the house, and if i were going to actually 
test, i'd probably only test the high-risk populations, if any: the 
very young, the very old, and the otherwise 
health/immune-compromised. i DID test everyone almost seven years 
ago when a cat who'd lived with us, who had tested negative, died 
from FeLV, and everyone who'd lived with her tested negative, 
including some kittens and elders (high risk)--my vet recommended, 
at that time, that i not bother retesting until someone became 
symptomatic. no one ever has, and i've never retested.


MC

On 2/26/07, Rosenfeldt, Diane <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If they all *seem* healthy now, chances are that most if not all of 
them *are* healthy.  I'm assuming the girl who got sick already had 
FeLV when she came to you and has been asymptomatic up till now ( 
i.e. that there's not a source among your other cats from whom she 
could have caught it).  I hope this is the case.  Many listmembers 
will tell you that they mix positive and negative cats without the 
disease spreading, and I believe some of these aren't even 
vaccinated.  The vaccine is a further safety net of course -- if 
vaccinated, your negative kitties should remain negative even mixed 
with the positives.


Oh -- I forgot to mention in my other post just now that you should 
always insist on a retest (in a few months) with the IFA test.  This 
test has to be sent out to a lab for processing, but is more 
reliable than the in-office (Snap or ELISA) test.


Diane R.


--
From: 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie

Sent: Monday, F

Re: Help needed

Again I just want to say Thank You. This post has been so helpful. Most groups 
ignore new post or you might get one opinion. Everyone here has been so 
helpful. I have always loved cats and will go on loving them. When I was a 
child my mother suffered from schizophrenia - often times I felt very "alone." 
My cats were my best friends. We lived isolated in the country and mom and dad 
never put out food for the cats (although I used to snitch bread and milk for 
them). Back then they were expected to catch mice and fend for themselves. I 
found that even without them getting food on a regular basis they still stayed 
and still showed love! That type of companionship and friendship can never be 
replaced.

Re: Re: Help needed



I just wanted to say that everyone here has been so nice and responsive. Most lists just ignore your post. Thanks to everyone again. I will check in once I am home for now I best get back to work. 
Our 
-Original Message- From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Feb 26, 2007 2:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Re: Help needed Hello Debbie and welcome.  I'm so glad you found us, you sound like you'll fit right in here.  Most of us, and I would guess most folks that have had to deal with felv are the type that bring in the wayward ones off the street.  Bless you and your husbands for having such open and caring hearts.  I'm so sorry for your recent losses.  I understand completely how heart wrenching it is to find an animal in need when it's already too late to save them.  Please take some comfort in knowing that you helped relieve their suffering and gave them the opportunity to be loved and cared about.  As far as sweet Elsa goes, it does sound like she was in the last stages of a very serious illness, (kitties with felv are immune compromised and succumb to secondary illness, not felv itself).  Once they start developing symptoms like fluid build up it's costly both in suffering and expense to turn them around, usually, unfortunately, it does signal the beginning of the end.  You did the best you could for her and you have nothing to feel guilty about with what took place.  Life's hard lessons can really get you down, but you have learned and will learn more as you do your homework about the realities of felv.  That's a good thing.  You might be able to help educate your vets too, so you may be influencing the lives of many kitties and their guardians in the future.  It's an unhappy fact that many well intentioned vets still think of felv as a death sentence and advise euthanasia when someone tests pos, even if the kitty has no symptoms of illness.  It's probably because, like you kind folks, the vets usually don't know they are dealing with felv until the end stages when not a lot can be done to turn things around.  They see kitties suffering and they just don't know the facts.  The facts are that many cats test pos and throw off the virus, the test is actually a false-pos, or they do actually have felv, but with aggressive preventative care, (acting immediately at the first sign of illness, good nutrition, low stress environment, etc), they can and do live happy and healthy lives for a long time to come.  It may just be Elsa's legacy to enlighten not only you but your vet as well.  That little girl may change the lives of many to come.  Please do your best to fight the feeling that you did/do the wrong thing in giving cats in need refuge and love.  It's always a good thing to help those in need to the best of your ability.  Just look around you at all the sweet angels that call your house home when you start to doubt that.As others have stated, a good many of us have mixed felv pos and negs together.  It's a judgement call to do so, but in your case it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me to separate cats that have been living together for so long.  They've either caught it or they haven't, separating them now will only cause them stress, (one of the no nos with felv).  Healthy adult cats have a very good chance of not catching it at all or catching it and fighting it off.  I would probably test the four you mention here, and would separate any newcomers that enter your household until they are tested and if neg, vaccinated.  If anyone starts acting sick, I'd bring them to the vet immediately and the first thing I'd do is get them tested so you know whether you are dealing with felv or not.  Did you say they are all indoor kitties?  I probably wouldn't even vaccinate indoor only cats.  If you do decide to vaccinate, then you should test those cats first because imo there's no sense, (and could be harm, although there has been debate about that), in vaccinating a cat that already has felv.It is suggested to retest anyone testing pos because the snap test isn't 100% reliable, and also because an infected cat can throw the virus and become neg later.  You wouldn't retest a cat that tests neg on the snap test, (false neg tests are more unlikely than false pos), unless you had reason to suspect they had been infected since the last test.  The reason it has been suggested to retest using the IFA is because it is more reliable.  You asked if you can be sure that a neg snap test result means the cat is truly neg...  The answer to that is no, but it is more likely that they are neg though.  Felv can be sequestered in the bone marrow, (not present in the blood), and a ELISA test would not show that.  If your kitties are acting healthy, then I wouldn't worry, I know that is sometimes easier said than done, but worry does not help.  Arm yourself with information, wa

Re: Help needed

My husband and I agreed to have the cats all tested. We called close to 20 vets 
for pricing. None are extremely cheap. The cheapest test by itself was close to 
$38.00. There was only one vet that offered a "snap test" cheaper. It is 
somewhat aggravating because we have spent close to $10,000.00 on the cats and 
paid all in cash. No one vet seems willing to reduce rates by that much. We 
will end up I am sure paying at least $900.00 (this yr. alone). Guess they 
don't realize eventually the money will run out. If it weren't for my husband I 
would never be able to do this. He retired in the U.K. and moved to the U.S. He 
took an early lump sum retirement. That is the only way we have been able to do 
this. I work full time but we live on about $32,000.00/ yrly. before taxes. 
There are so many pets in need and also people. Sometimes it gets very 
overwelming. Sure wish we got tax breaks for pet care, but heck most people are 
lucky to get reimbursed for human healthcare these days.

I want to thank EVERYONE for answering my post. All the info. has been greatly 
appreciated. It is nice to hear from others who love animals like I do. I am at 
work at the moment and the folks here really don't care at all about pets. It 
is refreshing to hear that there are people out there that do. Thanks again. 
Please stay in touch.

regards,
Debbie 

-Original Message-
>From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Feb 26, 2007 1:33 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: Help needed
>
>Hi Debbie,
>
>It sounds like you and your husband are doing and have
>done everything you can.  That's all anyone can ask
>for.  Don't be so hard on yourself; you've taken a lot
>on.  I agree that printing off information and taking
>it to your vet would be wise, although since it's so
>expensive there, you might look into low cost clinics
>that are the closest.  Most likely they will be
>located in the more densely populated cities, like
>Cincinnati, etc.  That would probably save you quite a
>bit of money and the clinic might be willing to work
>with you pricewise since you have so many (ie. only
>charging for one office visit instead of 15, etc.). 
>Your current vet should also be willing to work with
>you pricewise.  If not, I'd start looking elsewhere. 
>Definitely do not allow any pts.  That is an old
>school practice.  
>
>:)
>Wendy
>
>
> 
>
>Now that's room service!  Choose from over 150,000 hotels
>in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.
>http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
>

Re: Re: Help needed

2007-02-26 Thread Nina

Hello Debbie and welcome.  I'm so glad you found us, you sound like 
you'll fit right in here.  Most of us, and I would guess most folks that 
have had to deal with felv are the type that bring in the wayward ones 
off the street.  Bless you and your husbands for having such open and 
caring hearts. 

I'm so sorry for your recent losses.  I understand completely how heart 
wrenching it is to find an animal in need when it's already too late to 
save them.  Please take some comfort in knowing that you helped relieve 
their suffering and gave them the opportunity to be loved and cared 
about.  As far as sweet Elsa goes, it does sound like she was in the 
last stages of a very serious illness, (kitties with felv are immune 
compromised and succumb to secondary illness, not felv itself).  Once 
they start developing symptoms like fluid build up it's costly both in 
suffering and expense to turn them around, usually, unfortunately, it 
does signal the beginning of the end.  You did the best you could for 
her and you have nothing to feel guilty about with what took place.  
Life's hard lessons can really get you down, but you have learned and 
will learn more as you do your homework about the realities of felv.  
That's a good thing.  You might be able to help educate your vets too, 
so you may be influencing the lives of many kitties and their guardians 
in the future.  It's an unhappy fact that many well intentioned vets 
still think of felv as a death sentence and advise euthanasia when 
someone tests pos, even if the kitty has no symptoms of illness.  It's 
probably because, like you kind folks, the vets usually don't know they 
are dealing with felv until the end stages when not a lot can be done to 
turn things around.  They see kitties suffering and they just don't know 
the facts.  The facts are that many cats test pos and throw off the 
virus, the test is actually a false-pos, or they do actually have felv, 
but with aggressive preventative care, (acting immediately at the first 
sign of illness, good nutrition, low stress environment, etc), they can 
and do live happy and healthy lives for a long time to come.  It may 
just be Elsa's legacy to enlighten not only you but your vet as well.  
That little girl may change the lives of many to come.  Please do your 
best to fight the feeling that you did/do the wrong thing in giving cats 
in need refuge and love.  It's always a good thing to help those in need 
to the best of your ability.  Just look around you at all the sweet 
angels that call your house home when you start to doubt that.


As others have stated, a good many of us have mixed felv pos and negs 
together.  It's a judgement call to do so, but in your case it doesn't 
make a whole lot of sense to me to separate cats that have been living 
together for so long.  They've either caught it or they haven't, 
separating them now will only cause them stress, (one of the no nos with 
felv).  Healthy adult cats have a very good chance of not catching it at 
all or catching it and fighting it off.  I would probably test the four 
you mention here, and would separate any newcomers that enter your 
household until they are tested and if neg, vaccinated.  If anyone 
starts acting sick, I'd bring them to the vet immediately and the first 
thing I'd do is get them tested so you know whether you are dealing with 
felv or not.  Did you say they are all indoor kitties?  I probably 
wouldn't even vaccinate indoor only cats.  If you do decide to 
vaccinate, then you should test those cats first because imo there's no 
sense, (and could be harm, although there has been debate about that), 
in vaccinating a cat that already has felv.


It is suggested to retest anyone testing pos because the snap test isn't 
100% reliable, and also because an infected cat can throw the virus and 
become neg later.  You wouldn't retest a cat that tests neg on the snap 
test, (false neg tests are more unlikely than false pos), unless you had 
reason to suspect they had been infected since the last test.  The 
reason it has been suggested to retest using the IFA is because it is 
more reliable.  You asked if you can be sure that a neg snap test result 
means the cat is truly neg...  The answer to that is no, but it is more 
likely that they are neg though.  Felv can be sequestered in the bone 
marrow, (not present in the blood), and a ELISA test would not show 
that.  If your kitties are acting healthy, then I wouldn't worry, I know 
that is sometimes easier said than done, but worry does not help.  Arm 
yourself with information, watch them all carefully, get the ones that 
seem compromised tested and go from there.  That's my two cents, (well, 
I guess it's more like a buck fifty :-) ).

Nina

Debbie wrote:
all of our cats are within 3 1/2 to 4 yr. group, so no one is elderly. 
We have one cat that had problems with urinary tract crystals, 2 with 
hormone problems (loss of hair by tail), and only one that is what I 
would call thin

RE: Help needed

Put to sleep. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help needed

what does the pts stand for?

>Definitely do not allow any pts. 

-Original Message-
>From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Feb 26, 2007 1:33 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: Help needed
>
>Hi Debbie,
>
>It sounds like you and your husband are doing and have
>done everything you can.  That's all anyone can ask
>for.  Don't be so hard on yourself; you've taken a lot
>on.  I agree that printing off information and taking
>it to your vet would be wise, although since it's so
>expensive there, you might look into low cost clinics
>that are the closest.  Most likely they will be
>located in the more densely populated cities, like
>Cincinnati, etc.  That would probably save you quite a
>bit of money and the clinic might be willing to work
>with you pricewise since you have so many (ie. only
>charging for one office visit instead of 15, etc.). 
>Your current vet should also be willing to work with
>you pricewise.  If not, I'd start looking elsewhere. 
>Definitely do not allow any pts.  That is an old
>school practice.  
>
>:)
>Wendy
>
>
> 
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Re: Help needed

what does the pts stand for?

>Definitely do not allow any pts. 

-Original Message-
>From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Feb 26, 2007 1:33 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: Help needed
>
>Hi Debbie,
>
>It sounds like you and your husband are doing and have
>done everything you can.  That's all anyone can ask
>for.  Don't be so hard on yourself; you've taken a lot
>on.  I agree that printing off information and taking
>it to your vet would be wise, although since it's so
>expensive there, you might look into low cost clinics
>that are the closest.  Most likely they will be
>located in the more densely populated cities, like
>Cincinnati, etc.  That would probably save you quite a
>bit of money and the clinic might be willing to work
>with you pricewise since you have so many (ie. only
>charging for one office visit instead of 15, etc.). 
>Your current vet should also be willing to work with
>you pricewise.  If not, I'd start looking elsewhere. 
>Definitely do not allow any pts.  That is an old
>school practice.  
>
>:)
>Wendy
>
>
> 
>
>Now that's room service!  Choose from over 150,000 hotels
>in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.
>http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
>

Re: Help needed

Hi Debbie,

It sounds like you and your husband are doing and have
done everything you can.  That's all anyone can ask
for.  Don't be so hard on yourself; you've taken a lot
on.  I agree that printing off information and taking
it to your vet would be wise, although since it's so
expensive there, you might look into low cost clinics
that are the closest.  Most likely they will be
located in the more densely populated cities, like
Cincinnati, etc.  That would probably save you quite a
bit of money and the clinic might be willing to work
with you pricewise since you have so many (ie. only
charging for one office visit instead of 15, etc.). 
Your current vet should also be willing to work with
you pricewise.  If not, I'd start looking elsewhere. 
Definitely do not allow any pts.  That is an old
school practice.  

:)
Wendy


 

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RE: Help needed

It's sort of amazing how widely vets' philosophies can differ, even
within the same practice.  "Old School" is to automatically euthanize,
sometimes without even asking the owner's permission, which is why it's
important to ask your vet *up front* what their procedures are, so you
don't end up with unnecessary losses without even knowing it till it's
too late.  People on this list have also printed off the tons of good
info on the website and brought it to their vets to read, and it has
resulted in more knowledgeable and open-minded vets.  Any good vet
should be willing to learn and adapt.  Your rural vet may not be up to
speed on all the issues, but a couple of forward-looking articles on
current FeLV prognosis and treatment might help them progress.
 
I think there can be false negatives as well as false positives under
certain circumstances, though the latter are far more prevalent.  As far
as retesting, only the cats that test positive need to be retested.  And
probably you should wait until after any retests to vaccinate, should
you decide to vaccinate, since vaccinating an already positive cat isn't
good.  Chances are that if they've all mingled this long, nobody will be
*further* infected during this waiting period.
 
I thought MC's suggestions were really good -- your present group is
stable and not at particular immunological risk, so hold off on testing
unless someone else starts showing symptoms, but make sure to have any
new additions tested to make sure you're not releasing a wolf among the
sheep, or pigeons, or whatever that saying is.  Best of luck and thanks
for caring so much.
 
Diane R. 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help needed


all of our cats are within 3 1/2 to 4 yr. group, so no one is elderly.
We have one cat that had problems with urinary tract crystals, 2 with
hormone problems (loss of hair by tail), and only one that is what I
would call thin. They all run, jump, play, eat well, and like I said
they have all their other vaccinations. 
 
Does the group feel like a snap test is accurate at all? If we have them
tested can I know that a negative is truly a negative? I doubt we will
be able to retest everyone if we test all 14 now. 
How do you think a vet should approach this sort of thing? I live in a
rural community so our vets are more than likely not exceptionally
qualified on feline leukemia. No insult intened.
 



 

-Original Message- 
From: TenHouseCats 
Sent: Feb 26, 2007 12:35 PM 
    To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: Help needed 

have to agree with what the majority have said--by now, the
others have all been exposed anyway, and since 70% of healthy, adult
cats can be exposed and throw the virus off, the odds that your
menagerie is mostly safe if high. as far as i know, once a cat has been
exposed and has thrown off the virus, further exposure isn't going to
affect it, so even if some ARE positive, the others aren't going to
"re-catch" it, and separating out any positives now is sort of locking
the barn door after etc.  i'd only really worry about any new cats
brought into the house, and if i were going to actually test, i'd
probably only test the high-risk populations, if any: the very young,
the very old, and the otherwise health/immune-compromised. i DID test
everyone almost seven years ago when a cat who'd lived with us, who had
tested negative, died from FeLV, and everyone who'd lived with her
tested negative, including some kittens and elders (high risk)--my vet
recommended, at that time, that i not bother retesting until someone
became symptomatic. no one ever has, and i've never retested. 

MC
 

On 2/26/07, Rosenfeldt, Diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

If they all *seem* healthy now, chances are that most if
not all of them *are* healthy.  I'm assuming the girl who got sick
already had FeLV when she came to you and has been asymptomatic up till
now (i.e. that there's not a source among your other cats from whom she
could have caught it).  I hope this is the case.  Many listmembers will
tell you that they mix positive and negative cats without the disease
spreading, and I believe some of these aren't even vaccinated.  The
vaccine is a further safety net of course -- if vaccinated, your
negative kitties should remain negative even mixed with the positives.
 
Oh -- I forgot to mention in my other post just now that
you should always insist on a retest (in a few months) with the IFA
test.  This test has to be sent out to a lab for processing, but is more
reliable than the in-office (Snap or ELISA) test.

Re: Help needed

http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html

play out the wonderful articles on FeLV that phaewyrn has collected on the
above page, and sit down with your vet and go over them. believe us, it
doesn't matter what size city you're in, there are good and bad vets
everywhere--what matters is if they are willing to learn for so long,
the treatment of choice for FeLV was euthanasia, so too many vets just
stopped bothering to find out if that had changed

you gave elsa love and warmth, and a home--that can only be a good thing.

MC

On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 all of our cats are within 3 1/2 to 4 yr. group, so no one is elderly. We
have one cat that had problems with urinary tract crystals, 2 with hormone
problems (loss of hair by tail), and only one that is what I would call
thin. They all run, jump, play, eat well, and like I said they have all
their other vaccinations.

Does the group feel like a snap test is accurate at all? If we have them
tested can I know that a negative is truly a negative? I doubt we will be
able to retest everyone if we test all 14 now.
How do you think a vet should approach this sort of thing? I live in a
rural community so our vets are more than likely not exceptionally qualified
on feline leukemia. No insult intened.

-Original Message-
From: TenHouseCats
Sent: Feb 26, 2007 12:35 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help needed

have to agree with what the majority have said--by now, the others have
all been exposed anyway, and since 70% of healthy, adult cats can be exposed
and throw the virus off, the odds that your menagerie is mostly safe if
high. as far as i know, once a cat has been exposed and has thrown off the
virus, further exposure isn't going to  affect it, so even if some ARE
positive, the others aren't going to "re-catch" it, and separating out any
positives now is sort of locking the barn door after etc.  i'd only really
worry about any new cats brought into the house, and if i were going to
actually test, i'd probably only test the high-risk populations, if any: the
very young, the very old, and the otherwise health/immune-compromised. i DID
test everyone almost seven years ago when a cat who'd lived with us, who had
tested negative, died from FeLV, and everyone who'd lived with her tested
negative, including some kittens and elders (high risk)--my vet recommended,
at that time, that i not bother retesting until someone became
symptomatic. no one ever has, and i've never retested.

MC

On 2/26/07, Rosenfeldt, Diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  If they all *seem* healthy now, chances are that most if not all of
> them *are* healthy.  I'm assuming the girl who got sick already had FeLV
> when she came to you and has been asymptomatic up till now (i.e. that
> there's not a source among your other cats from whom she could have caught
> it).  I hope this is the case.  Many listmembers will tell you that they mix
> positive and negative cats without the disease spreading, and I believe some
> of these aren't even vaccinated.  The vaccine is a further safety net of
> course -- if vaccinated, your negative kitties should remain negative even
> mixed with the positives.
>
> Oh -- I forgot to mention in my other post just now that you should
> always insist on a retest (in a few months) with the IFA test.  This test
> has to be sent out to a lab for processing, but is more reliable than the
> in-office (Snap or ELISA) test.
>
> Diane R.
>
>  --
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Debbie
> *Sent:* Monday, February 26, 2007 11:07 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: Help needed
>
>  the price is for what they call a snap test, a vaccination, and a
> booster in a few weeks. This was the cheapest vet in a tri county area. We
> live in Ohio.
> do you really think there is a possibility that they won't test
> possitive? If some do and some don't do they need separated, if vaccinated?
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kelley Saveika
> Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:59 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: Help needed
>
> Hi Debbie,
>
> I would check around with other places in your area to see if you can
> find the tests cheaper.   I can get a combo test here for $16 per cat, which
> would be way less than $1,000.
>
> At this point I'm not sure I'd be in a rush to test all of them.  They
> have been together and likely either have it or they don't (most likely
> not).
>
> On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  The cats were all spayed and neutered and had all shots except the
> > feline leukemia. They have been to the vet yearly or whenever n

Re: Help needed

It depends on their ages.  Kittens have a much harder
time throwing off the virus if exposed-about a 40%
chance they will test positive for it after 6 months. 
Within that time frame, they can be in the process of
throwing it off, but after that, if they are still
testing positive, it's more likely they won't throw it
off, but not impossible.  We've had cats here prove
that.  Kittens born with their mother's positive
antibodies have the same chance of fighting it off. 
Older cats are much less likely to catch it.  From
what I have seen here, only less than about 3%, if
that, of adult cats actually contract FeLV from
another cat they live with, and since there wasn't
much contact between yours, it's highly unlikely any
of them contracted it.  Fighting (blood/saliva
transfer) is a big cause of adult transmission, from
what I've seen.  I have three cats that never caught
FeLV from the 4th after living with him for 4 years
and using the same food and litter boxes.  We didn't
know he was FeLV+ for a long time.  They are all
negative.  Hope this helps.

:)
Wendy

--- Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What are the odds of having 15 cats and one tests
> postive - will the others all be postive? These are
> cats that are strictly indoors now in a 1200 square
> foot house. The infected cat was not outwardly sick
> and di not socialize with the other cats, however
> they used same litter boxes and ate from same
> dishes. 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. All cats are
> close to same age, different litters, aquired at the
> same time.
> 
> 

Get your own web address.  
Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.
http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL

RE: Help needed

Bless you for trying to help these babies.  Sometimes all you can do is
provide comfort and caring at the last.  Elsa was lucky to have you.
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:41 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help needed




I personally thought that the operation was a bit extreme for vomiting,
but 2 vets were in agreement. They x rayed her and saw just like a fuzzy
mass in her intestines that they thought was something stuck. We brought
her home after the operation and she had stopped vomiting. Her name was
Elsa. She was such a good kitty. I just couldn't get her to eat at the
last so we called the vet. They asked then if she had had a leukemia
test. I had told them no in the beginning. That's when they ran it and
said it was possitive. We went ahead and agreed to put her to sleep
because the vet said she thought the fluid would just come back on her
lungs. 
We have been heartbroken on all of this. A few months ago we found two
other cats. One had been injured by farm equiment and ended up dying.
The other was so diseased and debilitated that they put him down. My
husband and I both cried over these and they weren't even ours. 
We have tried to help and now I wonder if we just made matters worse. 


-Original Message- 
From: Kelley Saveika 
Sent: Feb 26, 2007 12:22 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
        Subject: Re: Help needed 


I think it is pretty likely they won't test positive - the
disease is pretty hard to spread in adult cats.
 
Opinions vary on this list about mixing positive and negative.
In this case, my opinion would be if they have been together this long
why separate them now?   But they aren't my cats, so you need to make a
decision you feel comfortable with. 
 
I'm sorry for the loss of your cat.

 
On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

the price is for what they call a snap test, a
vaccination, and a booster in a few weeks. This was the cheapest vet in
a tri county area. We live in Ohio. 
do you really think there is a possibility that they
won't test possitive? If some do and some don't do they need separated,
if vaccinated? 


 

-Original Message- 
From: Kelley Saveika 

Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:59 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: Help needed 


Hi Debbie,
 
I would check around with other places in your
area to see if you can find the tests cheaper.   I can get a combo test
here for $16 per cat, which would be way less than $1,000.  
 
At this point I'm not sure I'd be in a rush to
test all of them.  They have been together and likely either have it or
they don't (most likely not).
 
On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
wrote: 

The cats were all spayed and neutered
and had all shots except the feline leukemia. They have been to the vet
yearly or whenever needed. We aquired so many at once we could not
afford the testing and shots. A lady I worked with found 3 kittens in a
dumpster, 2 weeks later 4 more - we bottle raised all of them and they
all lived. At that same time a stray came in winter and had 4 babies.
They all lived also. A month after this we took a trip 500 miles away
and found 2 kittens starving in a field in  the middle of nowhere. We
brought them back. These were tested (not sure why vet decided this) and
they were ok at that time. All the cats got along and seldon fought. If
they did it was not the biting, scratching, etc... Soon after that a cat
roamed up at a barbeque we had. She was young and in heat. We did not
want her to get pregnant and she stayed so we brought her in. She was a
very shy cat. She liked attention but seldom went near the others. Her
eyes, nose, and mouth were clear (no discharge). A few weeks ago she
started throwing up. We took her to the vet. She had nver been seriously
ill (none have). They are all around 4 yrs, old now. Anyhow the vet said
something was probably stuck in her intestines so they operated. All
they found was enlarged lymph nodes. They did a biopsy and said they
were not cancerous. She started doing better but then it was hard to get
her to eat. We took her back in and they said her lungs had fluid in
them. They drained it off. After all of this they came back and said she
tested postive for leukemia. They recommended putting her to sleep

Re: Help needed



all of our cats are within 3 1/2 to 4 yr. group, so no one is elderly. We have one cat that had problems with urinary tract crystals, 2 with hormone problems (loss of hair by tail), and only one that is what I would call thin. They all run, jump, play, eat well, and like I said they have all their other vaccinations. 
 
Does the group feel like a snap test is accurate at all? If we have them tested can I know that a negative is truly a negative? I doubt we will be able to retest everyone if we test all 14 now. 
How do you think a vet should approach this sort of thing? I live in a rural community so our vets are more than likely not exceptionally qualified on feline leukemia. No insult intened.
 
 
-Original Message- From: TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Feb 26, 2007 12:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Help needed have to agree with what the majority have said--by now, the others have all been exposed anyway, and since 70% of healthy, adult cats can be exposed and throw the virus off, the odds that your menagerie is mostly safe if high. as far as i know, once a cat has been exposed and has thrown off the virus, further exposure isn't going to  affect it, so even if some ARE positive, the others aren't going to "re-catch" it, and separating out any positives now is sort of locking the barn door after etc.  i'd only really worry about any new cats brought into the house, and if i were going to actually test, i'd probably only test the high-risk populations, if any: the very young, the very old, and the otherwise health/immune-compromised. i DID test everyone almost seven years ago when a cat who'd lived with us, who had tested negative, died from FeLV, and everyone who'd lived with her tested negative, including some kittens and elders (high risk)--my vet recommended, at that time, that i not bother retesting until someone became symptomatic. no one ever has, and i've never retested. MC 
On 2/26/07, Rosenfeldt, Diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


If they all *seem* healthy now, chances are that most if not all of them *are* healthy.  I'm assuming the girl who got sick already had FeLV when she came to you and has been asymptomatic up till now (i.e. that there's not a source among your other cats from whom she could have caught it).  I hope this is the case.  Many listmembers will tell you that they mix positive and negative cats without the disease spreading, and I believe some of these aren't even vaccinated.  The vaccine is a further safety net of course -- if vaccinated, your negative kitties should remain negative even mixed with the positives.
 
Oh -- I forgot to mention in my other post just now that you should always insist on a retest (in a few months) with the IFA test.  This test has to be sent out to a lab for processing, but is more reliable than the in-office (Snap or ELISA) test.
 
Diane R.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of DebbieSent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:07 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Help needed


the price is for what they call a snap test, a vaccination, and a booster in a few weeks. This was the cheapest vet in a tri county area. We live in Ohio. do you really think there is a possibility that they won't test possitive? If some do and some don't do they need separated, if vaccinated?
 
-Original Message- From: Kelley Saveika Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Help needed 
Hi Debbie,
 
I would check around with other places in your area to see if you can find the tests cheaper.   I can get a combo test here for $16 per cat, which would be way less than $1,000.   
At this point I'm not sure I'd be in a rush to test all of them.  They have been together and likely either have it or they don't (most likely not).
 
On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 


The cats were all spayed and neutered and had all shots except the feline leukemia. They have been to the vet yearly or whenever needed. We aquired so many at once we could not afford the testing and shots. A lady I worked with found 3 kittens in a dumpster, 2 weeks later 4 more - we bottle raised all of them and they all lived. At that same time a stray came in winter and had 4 babies. They all lived also. A month after this we took a trip 500 miles away and found 2 kittens starving in a field in  the middle of nowhere. We brought them back. These were tested (not sure why vet decided this) and they were ok at that time. All the cats got along and seldon fought. If they did it was not the biting, scratching, etc... Soon after that a cat roamed up at a barbeque we had. She was young and in heat. We did not want her to get pregnant and she stayed so we brought her in. She was a very shy cat. She liked attention but seldom went near the others. Her eyes, nose, and mouth were clear (no disch

I personally thought that the operation was a bit extreme for vomiting, but 2 vets were in agreement. They x rayed her and saw just like a fuzzy mass in her intestines that they thought was something stuck. We brought her home after the operation and she had stopped vomiting. Her name was Elsa. She was such a good kitty. I just couldn't get her to eat at the last so we called the vet. They asked then if she had had a leukemia test. I had told them no in the beginning. That's when they ran it and said it was possitive. We went ahead and agreed to put her to sleep because the vet said she thought the fluid would just come back on her lungs.
We have been heartbroken on all of this. A few months ago we found two other cats. One had been injured by farm equiment and ended up dying. The other was so diseased and debilitated that they put him down. My husband and I both cried over these and they weren't even ours.
We have tried to help and now I wonder if we just made matters worse.
-Original Message- From: Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Feb 26, 2007 12:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Help needed
I think it is pretty likely they won't test positive - the disease is pretty hard to spread in adult cats.
Opinions vary on this list about mixing positive and negative. In this case, my opinion would be if they have been together this long why separate them now? But they aren't my cats, so you need to make a decision you feel comfortable with.
I'm sorry for the loss of your cat.
On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

the price is for what they call a snap test, a vaccination, and a booster in a few weeks. This was the cheapest vet in a tri county area. We live in Ohio. do you really think there is a possibility that they won't test possitive? If some do and some don't do they need separated, if vaccinated?
-Original Message- From: Kelley Saveika
Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Help needed
Hi Debbie,
I would check around with other places in your area to see if you can find the tests cheaper. I can get a combo test here for $16 per cat, which would be way less than $1,000.
At this point I'm not sure I'd be in a rush to test all of them. They have been together and likely either have it or they don't (most likely not).
On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:

Re: Help needed

have to agree with what the majority have said--by now, the others have all
been exposed anyway, and since 70% of healthy, adult cats can be exposed and
throw the virus off, the odds that your menagerie is mostly safe if high. as
far as i know, once a cat has been exposed and has thrown off the virus,
further exposure isn't going to  affect it, so even if some ARE positive,
the others aren't going to "re-catch" it, and separating out any positives
now is sort of locking the barn door after etc.  i'd only really worry about
any new cats brought into the house, and if i were going to actually test,
i'd probably only test the high-risk populations, if any: the very young,
the very old, and the otherwise health/immune-compromised. i DID test
everyone almost seven years ago when a cat who'd lived with us, who had
tested negative, died from FeLV, and everyone who'd lived with her tested
negative, including some kittens and elders (high risk)--my vet recommended,
at that time, that i not bother retesting until someone became
symptomatic. no one ever has, and i've never retested.

MC

On 2/26/07, Rosenfeldt, Diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 If they all *seem* healthy now, chances are that most if not all of them
*are* healthy.  I'm assuming the girl who got sick already had FeLV when she
came to you and has been asymptomatic up till now (i.e. that there's not a
source among your other cats from whom she could have caught it).  I hope
this is the case.  Many listmembers will tell you that they mix positive and
negative cats without the disease spreading, and I believe some of these
aren't even vaccinated.  The vaccine is a further safety net of course -- if
vaccinated, your negative kitties should remain negative even mixed with the
positives.

Oh -- I forgot to mention in my other post just now that you should always
insist on a retest (in a few months) with the IFA test.  This test has to be
sent out to a lab for processing, but is more reliable than the in-office
(Snap or ELISA) test.

Diane R.

 --
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Debbie
*Sent:* Monday, February 26, 2007 11:07 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: Help needed

 the price is for what they call a snap test, a vaccination, and a booster
in a few weeks. This was the cheapest vet in a tri county area. We live in
Ohio.
do you really think there is a possibility that they won't test possitive?
If some do and some don't do they need separated, if vaccinated?

-Original Message-
From: Kelley Saveika
Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help needed

Hi Debbie,

I would check around with other places in your area to see if you can find
the tests cheaper.   I can get a combo test here for $16 per cat, which
would be way less than $1,000.

At this point I'm not sure I'd be in a rush to test all of them.  They
have been together and likely either have it or they don't (most likely
not).

On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  The cats were all spayed and neutered and had all shots except the
> feline leukemia. They have been to the vet yearly or whenever needed. We
> aquired so many at once we could not afford the testing and shots. A lady I
> worked with found 3 kittens in a dumpster, 2 weeks later 4 more - we bottle
> raised all of them and they all lived. At that same time a stray came in
> winter and had 4 babies. They all lived also. A month after this we took a
> trip 500 miles away and found 2 kittens starving in a field in  the middle
> of nowhere. We brought them back. These were tested (not sure why vet
> decided this) and they were ok at that time. All the cats got along and
> seldon fought. If they did it was not the biting, scratching, etc... Soon
> after that a cat roamed up at a barbeque we had. She was young and in heat.
> We did not want her to get pregnant and she stayed so we brought her in. She
> was a very shy cat. She liked attention but seldom went near the others. Her
> eyes, nose, and mouth were clear (no discharge). A few weeks ago she started
> throwing up. We took her to the vet. She had nver been seriously ill (none
> have). They are all around 4 yrs, old now. Anyhow the vet said something was
> probably stuck in her intestines so they operated. All they found was
> enlarged lymph nodes. They did a biopsy and said they were not cancerous.
> She started doing better but then it was hard to get her to eat. We took her
> back in and they said her lungs had fluid in them. They drained it off.
> After all of this they came back and said she tested postive for leukemia.
> They recommended putting her to sleep.
> Now we have a nightmare. We have all the others, plus just paid out
> $700.00 for a cat that they ended up put

RE: Help needed

If they all *seem* healthy now, chances are that most if not all of them
*are* healthy.  I'm assuming the girl who got sick already had FeLV when
she came to you and has been asymptomatic up till now (i.e. that there's
not a source among your other cats from whom she could have caught it).
I hope this is the case.  Many listmembers will tell you that they mix
positive and negative cats without the disease spreading, and I believe
some of these aren't even vaccinated.  The vaccine is a further safety
net of course -- if vaccinated, your negative kitties should remain
negative even mixed with the positives.
 
Oh -- I forgot to mention in my other post just now that you should
always insist on a retest (in a few months) with the IFA test.  This
test has to be sent out to a lab for processing, but is more reliable
than the in-office (Snap or ELISA) test.
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:07 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help needed


the price is for what they call a snap test, a vaccination, and a
booster in a few weeks. This was the cheapest vet in a tri county area.
We live in Ohio. 
do you really think there is a possibility that they won't test
possitive? If some do and some don't do they need separated, if
vaccinated?


 

-Original Message- 
From: Kelley Saveika 
Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:59 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: Help needed 


Hi Debbie,
 
I would check around with other places in your area to see if
you can find the tests cheaper.   I can get a combo test here for $16
per cat, which would be way less than $1,000.  
 
At this point I'm not sure I'd be in a rush to test all of them.
They have been together and likely either have it or they don't (most
likely not).
 
On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

The cats were all spayed and neutered and had all shots
except the feline leukemia. They have been to the vet yearly or whenever
needed. We aquired so many at once we could not afford the testing and
shots. A lady I worked with found 3 kittens in a dumpster, 2 weeks later
4 more - we bottle raised all of them and they all lived. At that same
time a stray came in winter and had 4 babies. They all lived also. A
month after this we took a trip 500 miles away and found 2 kittens
starving in a field in  the middle of nowhere. We brought them back.
These were tested (not sure why vet decided this) and they were ok at
that time. All the cats got along and seldon fought. If they did it was
not the biting, scratching, etc... Soon after that a cat roamed up at a
barbeque we had. She was young and in heat. We did not want her to get
pregnant and she stayed so we brought her in. She was a very shy cat.
She liked attention but seldom went near the others. Her eyes, nose, and
mouth were clear (no discharge). A few weeks ago she started throwing
up. We took her to the vet. She had nver been seriously ill (none have).
They are all around 4 yrs, old now. Anyhow the vet said something was
probably stuck in her intestines so they operated. All they found was
enlarged lymph nodes. They did a biopsy and said they were not
cancerous. She started doing better but then it was hard to get her to
eat. We took her back in and they said her lungs had fluid in them. They
drained it off. After all of this they came back and said she tested
postive for leukemia. They recommended putting her to sleep. 
Now we have a nightmare. We have all the others, plus
just paid out $700.00 for a cat that they ended up putting down. Don't
know if the operation threw her into it all or what.
We are going to have the others tested but it will be
over $1000.00. We feel awful. If you don't have the money though it
isn't always as some people think to keep up with everything. 


 


-Original Message- 
From: Kelley Saveika 
Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:25 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: Help needed 

I don't think anyone can give you odds on that.
I would say it would be unlikely that they will all be positive and
quite possible that none will be positive.  If there is anything I have
learned from this list it is that FELV is pretty hard to catch.  Were
any of the cats vaccinated against FELV? 


On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
wrote: 

What are the odds of having 15 cats and
one tests postive -

Re: Help needed

2007-02-26 Thread Kelley Saveika


I think it is pretty likely they won't test positive - the disease is pretty
hard to spread in adult cats.

Opinions vary on this list about mixing positive and negative.  In this
case, my opinion would be if they have been together this long why separate
them now?   But they aren't my cats, so you need to make a decision you feel
comfortable with.

I'm sorry for the loss of your cat.


On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 the price is for what they call a snap test, a vaccination, and a booster
in a few weeks. This was the cheapest vet in a tri county area. We live in
Ohio.
do you really think there is a possibility that they won't test possitive?
If some do and some don't do they need separated, if vaccinated?




-Original Message-
From: Kelley Saveika
Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help needed

Hi Debbie,

I would check around with other places in your area to see if you can find
the tests cheaper.   I can get a combo test here for $16 per cat, which
would be way less than $1,000.

At this point I'm not sure I'd be in a rush to test all of them.  They
have been together and likely either have it or they don't (most likely
not).

On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  The cats were all spayed and neutered and had all shots except the
> feline leukemia. They have been to the vet yearly or whenever needed. We
> aquired so many at once we could not afford the testing and shots. A lady I
> worked with found 3 kittens in a dumpster, 2 weeks later 4 more - we bottle
> raised all of them and they all lived. At that same time a stray came in
> winter and had 4 babies. They all lived also. A month after this we took a
> trip 500 miles away and found 2 kittens starving in a field in  the middle
> of nowhere. We brought them back. These were tested (not sure why vet
> decided this) and they were ok at that time. All the cats got along and
> seldon fought. If they did it was not the biting, scratching, etc... Soon
> after that a cat roamed up at a barbeque we had. She was young and in heat.
> We did not want her to get pregnant and she stayed so we brought her in. She
> was a very shy cat. She liked attention but seldom went near the others. Her
> eyes, nose, and mouth were clear (no discharge). A few weeks ago she started
> throwing up. We took her to the vet. She had nver been seriously ill (none
> have). They are all around 4 yrs, old now. Anyhow the vet said something was
> probably stuck in her intestines so they operated. All they found was
> enlarged lymph nodes. They did a biopsy and said they were not cancerous.
> She started doing better but then it was hard to get her to eat. We took her
> back in and they said her lungs had fluid in them. They drained it off.
> After all of this they came back and said she tested postive for leukemia.
> They recommended putting her to sleep.
> Now we have a nightmare. We have all the others, plus just paid out
> $700.00 for a cat that they ended up putting down. Don't know if the
> operation threw her into it all or what.
> We are going to have the others tested but it will be over $1000.00. We
> feel awful. If you don't have the money though it isn't always as some
> people think to keep up with everything.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kelley Saveika
> Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:25 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: Help needed
>
> I don't think anyone can give you odds on that.  I would say it would be
> unlikely that they will all be positive and quite possible that none will be
> positive.  If there is anything I have learned from this list it is that
> FELV is pretty hard to catch.  Were any of the cats vaccinated against FELV?
>
>
> On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> > What are the odds of having 15 cats and one tests postive - will the
> > others all be postive? These are cats that are strictly indoors now in a
> > 1200 square foot house. The infected cat was not outwardly sick and di not
> > socialize with the other cats, however they used same litter boxes and ate
> > from same dishes.
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated. All cats are close to same age,
> > different litters, aquired at the same time.
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>
> http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
>
>


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RE: Help needed

I second this.  You say she stayed away from the others pretty much, and
FeLV is pretty hard to catch casually.  And when you do have the others
tested:
 
Please ask your vets BEFORE you take the others in for tests what their
philosophy is on treating FeLV+ or FIV+ cats.  If they routinely
euthanise asymptomatic kitties, you may want to find another vet who is
more enlightened.  Do NOT let the vet euthanize anykitty just because it
tests positive.  There's a huge possibility for false positives with the
in-office test, and aside from that, otherwise healthy FeLV+ cats can
live long happy lives.  
 
It sounds as though the one you lost was starting to get sick, and
possibly the stress of the surgery moved things along.  It sounds to me
like the vet did stuff in the wrong order, actually.  You would think
they'd have done the non-invasive tests first, and maybe an ultrasound,
before doing the invasive stuff.
 
I'm sorry for your loss.  Gentle Bridge vibes to her.  You sound like
great catparents.
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help needed


Hi Debbie,
 
I would check around with other places in your area to see if you can
find the tests cheaper.   I can get a combo test here for $16 per cat,
which would be way less than $1,000.  
 
At this point I'm not sure I'd be in a rush to test all of them.  They
have been together and likely either have it or they don't (most likely
not).
 
On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

The cats were all spayed and neutered and had all shots except
the feline leukemia. They have been to the vet yearly or whenever
needed. We aquired so many at once we could not afford the testing and
shots. A lady I worked with found 3 kittens in a dumpster, 2 weeks later
4 more - we bottle raised all of them and they all lived. At that same
time a stray came in winter and had 4 babies. They all lived also. A
month after this we took a trip 500 miles away and found 2 kittens
starving in a field in  the middle of nowhere. We brought them back.
These were tested (not sure why vet decided this) and they were ok at
that time. All the cats got along and seldon fought. If they did it was
not the biting, scratching, etc... Soon after that a cat roamed up at a
barbeque we had. She was young and in heat. We did not want her to get
pregnant and she stayed so we brought her in. She was a very shy cat.
She liked attention but seldom went near the others. Her eyes, nose, and
mouth were clear (no discharge). A few weeks ago she started throwing
up. We took her to the vet. She had nver been seriously ill (none have).
They are all around 4 yrs, old now. Anyhow the vet said something was
probably stuck in her intestines so they operated. All they found was
enlarged lymph nodes. They did a biopsy and said they were not
cancerous. She started doing better but then it was hard to get her to
eat. We took her back in and they said her lungs had fluid in them. They
drained it off. After all of this they came back and said she tested
postive for leukemia. They recommended putting her to sleep. 
Now we have a nightmare. We have all the others, plus just paid
out $700.00 for a cat that they ended up putting down. Don't know if the
operation threw her into it all or what.
We are going to have the others tested but it will be over
$1000.00. We feel awful. If you don't have the money though it isn't
always as some people think to keep up with everything. 


 


-Original Message- 
From: Kelley Saveika 
Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:25 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: Help needed 

I don't think anyone can give you odds on that.  I would
say it would be unlikely that they will all be positive and quite
possible that none will be positive.  If there is anything I have
learned from this list it is that FELV is pretty hard to catch.  Were
any of the cats vaccinated against FELV? 


On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 

What are the odds of having 15 cats and one
tests postive - will the others all be postive? These are cats that are
strictly indoors now in a 1200 square foot house. The infected cat was
not outwardly sick and di not socialize with the other cats, however
they used same litter boxes and ate from same dishes. 
Any help would be greatly appreciated. All cats
are close to same age, different litters, aquired at the same time.






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Re: Help needed

the price is for what they call a snap test, a vaccination, and a booster in a few weeks. This was the cheapest vet in a tri county area. We live in Ohio. do you really think there is a possibility that they won't test possitive? If some do and some don't do they need separated, if vaccinated?
-Original Message- From: Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Help needed
Hi Debbie,
I would check around with other places in your area to see if you can find the tests cheaper. I can get a combo test here for $16 per cat, which would be way less than $1,000.
At this point I'm not sure I'd be in a rush to test all of them. They have been together and likely either have it or they don't (most likely not).
On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

-Original Message- From: Kelley Saveika Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Help needed I don't think anyone can give you odds on that. I would say it would be unlikely that they will all be positive and quite possible that none will be positive. If there is anything I have learned from this list it is that FELV is pretty hard to catch. Were any of the cats vaccinated against FELV?
On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
What are the odds of having 15 cats and one tests postive - will the others all be postive? These are cats that are strictly indoors now in a 1200 square foot house. The infected cat was not outwardly sick and di not socialize with the other cats, however they used same litter boxes and ate from same dishes. Any help would be greatly appreciated. All cats are close to same age, different litters, aquired at the same time.-- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orgVist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Re: Help needed

2007-02-26 Thread Kelley Saveika

Hi Debbie,

I would check around with other places in your area to see if you can find
the tests cheaper.   I can get a combo test here for $16 per cat, which
would be way less than $1,000.

At this point I'm not sure I'd be in a rush to test all of them.  They have
been together and likely either have it or they don't (most likely not).

On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 The cats were all spayed and neutered and had all shots except the feline
leukemia. They have been to the vet yearly or whenever needed. We aquired so
many at once we could not afford the testing and shots. A lady I worked with
found 3 kittens in a dumpster, 2 weeks later 4 more - we bottle raised all
of them and they all lived. At that same time a stray came in winter and had
4 babies. They all lived also. A month after this we took a trip 500 miles
away and found 2 kittens starving in a field in  the middle of nowhere. We
brought them back. These were tested (not sure why vet decided this) and
they were ok at that time. All the cats got along and seldon fought. If they
did it was not the biting, scratching, etc... Soon after that a cat roamed
up at a barbeque we had. She was young and in heat. We did not want her to
get pregnant and she stayed so we brought her in. She was a very shy cat.
She liked attention but seldom went near the others. Her eyes, nose, and
mouth were clear (no discharge). A few weeks ago she started throwing up. We
took her to the vet. She had nver been seriously ill (none have). They are
all around 4 yrs, old now. Anyhow the vet said something was probably stuck
in her intestines so they operated. All they found was enlarged lymph nodes.
They did a biopsy and said they were not cancerous. She started doing better
but then it was hard to get her to eat. We took her back in and they said
her lungs had fluid in them. They drained it off. After all of this they
came back and said she tested postive for leukemia. They recommended putting
her to sleep.
Now we have a nightmare. We have all the others, plus just paid out
$700.00 for a cat that they ended up putting down. Don't know if the
operation threw her into it all or what.
We are going to have the others tested but it will be over $1000.00. We
feel awful. If you don't have the money though it isn't always as some
people think to keep up with everything.

-Original Message-
From: Kelley Saveika
Sent: Feb 26, 2007 11:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Help needed

I don't think anyone can give you odds on that.  I would say it would be
unlikely that they will all be positive and quite possible that none will be
positive.  If there is anything I have learned from this list it is that
FELV is pretty hard to catch.  Were any of the cats vaccinated against FELV?

On 2/26/07, Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> What are the odds of having 15 cats and one tests postive - will the
> others all be postive? These are cats that are strictly indoors now in a
> 1200 square foot house. The infected cat was not outwardly sick and di not
> socialize with the other cats, however they used same litter boxes and ate
> from same dishes.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. All cats are close to same age,
> different litters, aquired at the same time.
>
>

--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Re: Help needed