Re: [Finale] shortcuts
Steve is right to suggest this. I haven’t seen it on my system for a long time since using Finale 25. Altho when it did appear for me, it was usually in the form of continually putting in the wrong element and was frequently the last one I added with a meta tool. If his suggestion doesn’t work, the only other thing that did work for me was a complete system reboot. A PITA but it these a try. HTH J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Nov 13, 2019, at 12:17 PM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: > > Quickly run (slam) your fingers over all the keys like a crazy person 3-4 > times. See if that helps. It's most likely the stuck key problem (which is a > Finale bug). There are other ways to take care of it but this is the most > reliable and takes less time. > > Steve Fiskum > > On 11/13/19, 1:58 PM, "Finale on behalf of Alberto Guzmán Naranjo" > wrote: > >Having problems with the apple keyboard. working with finale does not >recognize the shortcuts for articulation and dynamics > >Alberto Guzmán Naranjo >Director de Orquesta - Compositor >Profesor Titular Universidad del Valle >___ >Finale mailing list >Finale@shsu.edu >https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Mid-measure double carline?
As others, including myself, have suggested, split the first measure into two 2/4 bars. Exclude them from being included with the measure tool so it won’t affect your overall measure numbering scheme, whatever that may be. Staying in the Measure tool, double-click on the half of the split measure you need. This brings up the Measure Attributes dialog where you can change the barline from the top row of the dialog to a double-bar. You can also use the options in the lower half of the same dialog to hide or show the time and key signature. It’s quite easy. HTH J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Nov 11, 2019, at 12:44 PM, Ken Parsons wrote: > > The piece I’m doing has a new section beginning with a pick-up half-note. The > key changes on beat 3, as well. I want the double-bar to indicate this new > section. > > Could you give me specifics about breaking the measure and changing the > barline with the time signature tool? I looked throughout it, and didn’t see > any way to do either of those things. > > I have been able to split the measure using the Split Measure plugin, but it > allows only invisible or dotted barlines, not solid or double ones. > > __ > > Ken Parsons, M. Mus. > Associate Professor > School of Music > Southern Adventist University > Collegedale, TN 37315 > kpars...@southern.edu<mailto:kpars...@southern.edu> > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:28:05 -0800 > From: J D Thomas mailto:j...@thomastudios.com>> > To: "mailto:finale@shsu.edu>>" > mailto:finale@shsu.edu>> > Subject: Re: [Finale] Mid-measure double barline? > Message-ID: > <70bfb086-e121-483a-9cf4-b09560ca6...@thomastudios.com<mailto:70bfb086-e121-483a-9cf4-b09560ca6...@thomastudios.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > There are two ways I can think of: add a pair of lines with the line tool > and adjust it manually, or break the measure via the time signature tool and > change the barline as needed. But the latter will throw off your measure > numbers which will need adjustment. > > But why do you need this? Just curious. > > J D Thomas > ThomaStudios > > > On Nov 10, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Ken Parsons > mailto:kpars...@southern.edu>> wrote: > > There must be a way to insert a mid-measure double barline in a score, but I > haven?t found it. I?m using Finale 26 for Mac. Any illumination welcome! > __ > > Ken Parsons, M. Mus. > Associate Professor > School of Music > Southern Adventist University > Collegedale, TN 37315 > kpars...@southern.edu<mailto:kpars...@southern.edu><mailto:kpars...@southern.edu> > > ___ > > > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Mid-measure double barline?
There are two ways I can think of: add a pair of lines with the line tool and adjust it manually, or break the measure via the time signature tool and change the barline as needed. But the latter will throw off your measure numbers which will need adjustment. But why do you need this? Just curious. J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Nov 10, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Ken Parsons wrote: > > There must be a way to insert a mid-measure double barline in a score, but I > haven’t found it. I’m using Finale 26 for Mac. Any illumination welcome! > __ > > Ken Parsons, M. Mus. > Associate Professor > School of Music > Southern Adventist University > Collegedale, TN 37315 > kpars...@southern.edu<mailto:kpars...@southern.edu> > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Find where expression or articulations are assigned
Whoa, don’t get me started on the Lyric window. I could rant for days!!! On that same opera I mentioned in my previous message, the lyrics were completely unmanageable. I spent 10 days reentering all of the lyrics in both acts, creating a verse for each character in the opera. It helped immensely. But, then the client had someone else edit the file who didn’t know or appreciate these issues and screwed it up again. I told him I would no longer work on this opera for him! J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Oct 4, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Dr. Ben @ Ayotte Music > wrote: > > worse, by far, than the bloated lyric > window ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Find where expression or articulations are assigned
I created them with Keyboard Maestro on a Mac. Basically I select an expression and run the macro to delete it and then deal with the ensuing dialogs that tell me the expression is being used, and I select an existing one to replace it. It’s not the greatest, but it does reduce quite a bit of the dialog clicking that goes with this operation. J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Oct 4, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Dr. Ben @ Ayotte Music > wrote: > > This is a terribly vexing problem; worse, by far, than the bloated lyric > window. What sort of macros do you use, JD? > > On Fri, Oct 4, 2019, 12:41 PM J D Thomas wrote: > >> Good tip Jef. I am in the habit of whenever I copy/paste from another >> file, I immediately go into the Expression dialog and delete the latest >> dupes. I even have macros that automate the process somewhat to reduce the >> tedium of this operation. I repeat the same process with articulations. >> It’s an obscene PITA, but I do it to keep the libraries from becoming >> bloated. I worked on an opera several years ago that had 1800 measures in >> the first act and 1600 in the second. The client kept making edits that >> were best resolved via C/P. The libraries were a complete cluster-f*** and >> I spent WAY TOO MUCH TIME cleaning things up. So your tip would help >> matter some. >> >> Hopefully someone can help with this. I don’t ever see MM addressing this >> issue. Sigh. >> >> J D Thomas >> ThomaStudios >> >> >>> On Oct 4, 2019, at 9:15 AM, SN jef chippewa < >> shirl...@newmusicnotation.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> don't know of any way to do this as you would like it, but i usually >> edit the object to make it 72 or 120 point (depending on the percentage >> reduction of the systems) and flip through the score pages to locate >> instances. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> neueweise -- fonts for new music (and traditional) notation >>> http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html >>> >>> shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com >>> new music notation + arts management + translation >>> [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise | [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise >>> >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >>> >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Find where expression or articulations are assigned
Good tip Jef. I am in the habit of whenever I copy/paste from another file, I immediately go into the Expression dialog and delete the latest dupes. I even have macros that automate the process somewhat to reduce the tedium of this operation. I repeat the same process with articulations. It’s an obscene PITA, but I do it to keep the libraries from becoming bloated. I worked on an opera several years ago that had 1800 measures in the first act and 1600 in the second. The client kept making edits that were best resolved via C/P. The libraries were a complete cluster-f*** and I spent WAY TOO MUCH TIME cleaning things up. So your tip would help matter some. Hopefully someone can help with this. I don’t ever see MM addressing this issue. Sigh. J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Oct 4, 2019, at 9:15 AM, SN jef chippewa > wrote: > > > don't know of any way to do this as you would like it, but i usually edit the > object to make it 72 or 120 point (depending on the percentage reduction of > the systems) and flip through the score pages to locate instances. > > -- > > neueweise -- fonts for new music (and traditional) notation > http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html > > shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com > new music notation + arts management + translation > [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise | [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Find where expression or articulations are assigned
Robert, I cannot provide you with an answer but I am hoping someone, including you, can come up with a solution the this long-standing Finale issue. I encounter it ALL the time when copying and pasting from another Finale document. Finale always duplicates the expression and articulation, no matter what. I have been clamoring to MM about this anomaly for years. J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Oct 4, 2019, at 8:29 AM, Robert Patterson > wrote: > > I often encounter duplicate or extraneous definitions of expressions or > articulations. Does anyone know a way to find where they are used (if > Finale refuses to delete them because they are used)? Either a plugin or a > native Finale function? > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Musical symbols for text
I use MetTimes frequently for the same vertical reason. It doesn’t shift the scaling much at all and looks good inserted. J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Oct 1, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Michael Lawlor wrote: > > Does anyone know any good fonts for musical symbols that work well in text > (Word documents) without being completely the wrong size or being positioned > incorrectly or taking up too much vertical space? > > Regards, > > Michael Lawlor > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Inefficient Management of Cross-staff Notes with Reversed Stems
I deal with this issue all of the time but, if I understand you correctly, it usually occurs with cross-staff notes with reverse stems. My workaround is to have two versions of the same articulation: one’s position on the note side and one on the stem side. If the staccato dot appears on the wrong side, I simply delete it and place the opposite one. IOW, if the dot is meant to be on the note side and it’s flipping on CS notes, I replace it with a dot on the stem side; or vice versa. Then Finale seems to place it correctly. I’ve been complaining about this for years. In later versions of Finale, they now have an auto placement for articulations. But I’ve been doing this workaround for song long, I haven’t tried that. J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Sep 2, 2019, at 2:40 AM, Giovanni Andreani > wrote: > > I’ve got a series of eight notes, beamed in couples with their heads placed > on two different adjacent staves (like a piano double staff system). They > where so positioned via Note Mover –> Cross Staff; the top note has the stem > facing downward and vice versa, therefore, the beam line lays horizontally > between the two note-heads. Two staccato dots are placed on the note-heads > but the staccato for the note one the top staff is erroneously positioned > under the beam, instead of being above the note-head. If I double click the > articulation’s handle, that’l suddenly move the staccato to its proper place, > but just for the moment, until any other action is taken, after which it’ll > go back to the original, unwanted place. It looks like Finale can’t deal with > articulations on cross-staff notes with reversed stem, at least it’s > happening to me now (and was the same in the past, as far as I recall). > I understand I could manually place an attachment of the needed symbol, but I > would first try to see if there’s a possible, more effective workaround. > Running Finale 25.5 on a Mac. > > > > > Giovanni Andreani > > www.giovanniandreani.com > www.ga-music.com > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Two notes versus one note
The other thing you could do if you don’t really care to actually have two notes, is to only enter one note and use Special Tools to put the stem on both sides of the notehead. I’ve done this many times and it’s fast and easy. *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Jan 29, 2017, at 12:36 PM, Sigurdur Jonsson wrote: > > Thanks for the solution! > > I entered the notes manually, in layers. But, it seems like I have to > re-enter the notes, it is not fixed as I do this in Documents Option. Will > take some time as I have done the Lyrics. > > Thanks, > > Diddi > > Sigurdur Jonsson > 27, Von der Heydt > 66115, Saarbrücken > Deutschland > diddiste...@gmail.com > > > >> On 29. jan. 2017, at 20:13, j...@thomastudios.com wrote: >> >> You don’t specify how you entered the two notes, different layers or >> different voices. But there is a setting under Document Options > Music >> Spacing > Unisons > None that just might fix this for you. >> >> >> *** >> J D Thomas >> ThomaStudios >> >> >> >>> On Jan 29, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Sigurdur Jonsson >>> wrote: >>> >>> Dear friends. >>> >>> Having trouble with ver. 20145.5. >>> >>> I am writing for mail choir. Sometimes voices like 1. and 2. tenor or 1. >>> and 2. bass sing the same note. In that case I would like to see (as my >>> previous ver. of Finale did) one notehead with two stems, up and down. But >>> in this ver. I see two noteheads side by side, same note, and don´t find >>> the way to fix it. >>> >>> Any help here, please? >>> >>> TIA, >>> >>> Diddi >>> >>> Sigurdur Jonsson >>> 27, Von der Heydt >>> 66115, Saarbrücken >>> Deutschland >>> diddiste...@gmail.com >>> >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Install Finale 2010 on Mac OS Siera 10.12
Robert Patterson has brought this up many times, and I can attest to the fact that it does indeed work: Run an older version of Mac OS on a virtual machine using Parallels (my app of choice) or Fusion. I have a VM with OS X Mountain Lion and I run a couple of older versions of Finale for those times when I absolutely need it. Granted you have to purchase another commercial application, but the viable option is there. *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:28 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > > You might be able to use migration assistant to migrate over applications and > users from an older Mac, but I’d say you should probably upgrade to Finale > 2014.5 at least. > > >> On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: >> >> Hi Mike, >> >> All new Macs come with macOS Sierra and it’s not possible to install an >> older OS. Finale 2010 is definitely not supported on Sierra. If you buy a >> new Mac you will also need to upgrade to Finale v25. >> >> Cheers, >> >> – DJA >> - >> http://secretsocietymusic.org >> >> From: Michael Dutka >> Reply: finale@shsu.edu >> Date: November 5, 2016 at 7:13:27 PM >> To: finale@shsu.edu >> Subject: [Finale] Install Finale 2010 on Mac OS Siera 10.12 >> >> Hi folks. Want to buy a new computer, but don't want to upgrade to Finale >> 2012 (it doesn't back up as well as 2010) or 2014 (reading what you-all say >> about it scares me to death). >> >> Anyone know any reason I can't install Finale 2010 on a new mac, per above? >> Anyone know for sure that I can? >> >> Thanks, >> Mike >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Removing system-level baseline edits
How about using TGTools to reset the baselines to default? *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Oct 15, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Robert Patterson > wrote: > > I would like to use the completed score of one piece as a template for > another. Deleting the measures is easy. But I find that system-level > baseline edits for lyrics and expressions tend to linger. (Especially > lyrics.) Does anyone have a tip for how to clear them? > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed test
Your message got me thinking Robert. I haven’t looked at the count is a long time. I did that just now to the largest act and it shows I have only 17471 active frames. So I am well under that stated limit. And, like Raymond, I detest splitting into separate files. Too much work on the back end with parts. Life goes on… *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Jul 23, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Robert Patterson > wrote: > > You guys may be hitting the frame limit of 32767, especially if there > aren't many rests or if you use a lot of multiple layers. For any work with > 10's of staves, I wouldn't take it past 1000 bars before splitting into a > new file. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed test
Hi Raymond, I have been having very similar issues with a two-act opera I’ve been working on. Each act is about 1500 measures, full orchestra and up to 18 characters in vocal lines with lyrics. Everything you’re experiencing I have been dealing with for the past several months: saving file takes up to 18-20 seconds. time signature changes takes about 90 seconds. instrument changes take over a minute. JW Navigation plugin refuses to work at all on these files, but it works fine on other files. Lyric editing can be most frustrating. I have each character with its own separate verse for overall organization, and sometimes, when selecting a verse, I get the spinning beachball for over a minute. But it’s quite random. File size more than doubled when converting from 2012. This is all in Finale Mac 2014. 2014.5 is worse; completely unusable. And, to be honest, things weren’t much better back in 2012. I abandoned that version since it’s quite buggy under my current OS, Yosemite 10.10.5. I have discussed these issues with MM, and they confirm Finale doesn’t like large files! No shit Sherlock!! I know this doesn’t help your situation, but you’re not alone here. *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Jul 23, 2016, at 2:20 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: > > One more one more thing. Trudging along in 2014 now , I have been reminded > that every time signature change takes a very long time, about a minute or > so. I hope I can move this file back to 2012 before I die of boredom or old > age or both. > > Raymond Horton > Composer, Arranger > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 > > > On Jul 23, 2016 3:25 PM, "Raymond Horton" wrote: > >> I promised this several weeks ago but put it off. Unfortunately, today I >> was forced to go back and forth between the two versions because my file >> kept crashing in 2012. >> (Windows 10 , three year old computer that should be fast enough for most >> apps.) >> The file in question is more than 2,000 measures for orchestra, 5 voice >> parts, and two pianos. Orchestra is 8 Woodwinds, five brass, timpani, >> percussion, and a xylophone - Glockenspiel staff. >> Saving this file in 2012 takes about 3 seconds, in 2014 22 seconds! >> Exporting the 2014 file to a 2012 file takes about 11 seconds. >> So, I have been working on it in 2012 for the past several months. But the >> good news for 2014 is that the crashing that has been happening, today >> only, every time I edit a certain part of the score happens in 2012 but not >> 2014. So, despite the time problems, I may need to finish this file in 2014. >> > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale]
Glad to help. Dunno why, but I’m happy you were able to work things out. JD *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Jun 25, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Thurletta Brown-Gavins > wrote: > > Thanks so much, J. D. Problem solved by increasing the too-small part to 150% > and then reducing the whole page to 90% before printing. Still wish I knew > what made it happen in the first place. > > Thurletta > > Sent from my iPhone > >> >> __ >> Message-ID: >> >> Using the Resize tool, the one that looks like a %, click on one of the >> affected staves. The ensuing dialog will tell you what size it is. I >> suspect it?s less that 100%. >> >> >> *** >> J D Thomas >> ThomaStudios >> >> >> >>> On Jun 24, 2016, at 11:14 AM, Thurletta Brown-Gavins >>> wrote: >>> >>> I sure hope someone sees this in time to help me before Sunday morning >>> >>> My choir has gone on vacation and I've planned a duet in lieu of an anthem >>> for this Sunday. The two ladies will be singing a hymn, but I've used >>> Finale to "un-hynify" it by adding interludes and a key-change before the >>> final verse. >>> >>> Here is the problem: The scanned tiff converted without issue. In order to >>> create the final verse to be modulated, I copied the original hymn and >>> pasted it into new measures I had added at the end, then I transposed it up >>> a half-step. For some reason, the staves and notes are about a third the >>> size they should be! I do not know how this happened and I do not know how >>> to correct the problem. >>> >>> Can someone please help? I need to work on this tomorrow in order to have >>> it ready to print and play on Sunday morning. Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Thurletta Brown-Gavins >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> >> End of Finale Digest, Vol 155, Issue 8 >> ** > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Lyric Baselines non-functional in Finale 2014.5?
Just to be sure, try double clicking on a word in the lyric to make certain you are selecting the correct verse. Sent from my iSomething-or-other > On Nov 28, 2015, at 8:51 PM, Allen Fisher wrote: > > Hey All— > > Using Finale 2014.5 on Mac OS X 10.10. Attempting to adjust baselines doesn’t > move lyrics at all in the files I’m working in… I’ve made sure I’m in the > right layer and all by using the selection tool… Anyone else running into > this? I’ve even tried the Reset Lyric Baselines plugin and that seems to be > non-functional as well. These are files converted from older versions… can’t > remember offhand which versions they’ve been through. > > Allen > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] how do I delete #1 measures?
You need to reset the pickup measure from the set pickup m. menu and deselect what's there. Sent from my iSomething-or-other > On Nov 28, 2015, at 8:29 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: > > Windows Finale 2014: I had a pickup measure of 1/8 note that I had labeled > as not included in measure numbering. Now I am trying to insert a 90 > measure piece in front of it and I can't get rid of the #1 bar. This has > fouled up other things such as putting in double bars and final bars. I > can't figure out how to clear this, I've tried deleting the measure etc > etc, nothing seems to help. Thanks for any suggestions! > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Finale update is f$$$$$ed
I updated Finale Mac from 2014b to seeming d via the in app update. The POS updater gave me c. Downloaded the d updater directly and launching Finale a dialog tells me some txt file is missing or corrupt and it abruptly quits. MM, you suck big time, costing time this morning. I should send you the fucking bill!!! J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Jari-Plugin malfunctioning suddenly
Hi Jari, I'm working on a rather large Finale file in FinMac2012. I've been using the JW Space Systems v1.12 plugin extensively and suddenly the other day it started doing something unexpected: instead of positioning a single orchestra system in the center of the page, as I have it set up to do, it's executing a fit music command. IOW, it constantly takes the systems on one page and moves them to the previous page. This started happening about 3-4 days ago, and it's still doing exactly that. Just this morning I tried it again, and same thing, with the same exact measures. And now those measure are about 20 pages back. Weird. I've restarted my Mac and Finale, but it steadfastly keeps screwing up. Unfortunately it's now a completely deprecated plugin for me. I have not tried it in Finale 2014. Too busy to mess with that. J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] OT: Baroque Articulation
I have a client that uses these articulations pretty extensively, in addition to normal staccato dots. We refer to them as martellato staccato, and IIRC they are accented staccato. YMMV. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On May 20, 2014, at 9:02 AM, Lawrence Yates wrote: > For those who transcribe baroque manuscripts. > > Am I correct in assuming that the articulation mark that looks like a > modern staccatissimo "dagger" should be transcribed as a modern staccato > dot? > > It has been suggested to me that it should be interpreted as an articulated > note and not necessarily as a staccato in the modern sense (or is this > rubbish?) > > Cheers, > > Lawrence > -- > Lawrenceyates.co.uk > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] default rest question
Standard notation convention is to simply use a normal whole rest. Ever read something in 12/8? I would say the composer was being over-anal when writing the original manuscript. You could go against convention and substitute a double-whole rest, but why create more work for yourself? J D Thomas ThomaStudios On May 16, 2014, at 8:05 AM, Martin Banner wrote: > I am preparing a modern edition of an 18th century choral/orchestral > work. The last several movements are in cut time (4/2), four beats to > a measure, half note gets the beat. > > Finale uses a whole rest as the default empty measure rest, but I'm > not sure if this is preferable, or a double whole rest (which is what > actually is written by the composer in his autograph score). For a > modern edition, is standard practice for an empty measure in 4/2 time > a whole rest or double whole rest? > > If the concensus is double whole rest, how does one get the double > whole rest centered in the empty measures? > > Thanks, > Martin > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Entering text into Shape Designer
As you already most likely know Robert, Shape Designer is probably the WORST module in Finale. I think it's virtually unchanged since I first used it way back in Finale 2.0, early 90s. You cannot copy / paste anywhere it in to me knowledge. Whenever I need a certain character anywhere in Finale, I try to insert it with PopChar, a commercial utility. But even then, Finale's copy/paste routine is horribly inefficient and probably broken, at least on my system. I wish I could be of further help. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Apr 26, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: > Is there any way to enter text into the shape designer other than by typing > it? I would love to be able to paste it in, but that doesn't seem to be an > option. (I would like to use a symbol character for which there does not > appear to be a keyboard combo.) > > In case someone knows a way to type a "◯" character on Mac I could try that > too. > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Any idea if/when there will be a patch B for 2014?
There is also a startup bug for those with Apple displays. Forced me back to the pre-A version. >From the sounds of Chuck and Craig, that's where I'll stay. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Apr 5, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > There are a bunch of bugs in the A version. That smart find and paste > is so messed up, it is practically unusable. Half the time, when > copying hairpins, some of them get wildly wrong coordinates in the > target measures, stretching them over 40 measures or something. And it > no longer finds matches properly. It worked fine for me up through 2012. > > This is turning what should have been a 60 minute editing job into a 5 > hour marathon because I have to apply all my slurs and hairpins manually. > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] How to move notes
I completely agree with Chuck. That's the primary reason I have the F9 key programmed to toggle it on and off. Now if we could just convince MM to re-input the Cancel button is the 'too many beats' dialog, I would be a very happy man!! J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Mar 29, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: > Easy to miss, because it would be better placed in the first Speedy Entry > dialog window rather than hidden behind it in the options. At least it seems > so to me - it's such a basic and essential choice. Just an opinion. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] upgrade info
On Mar 23, 2014, at 11:32 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > Best thing one should do upgrading from 10.6 is to do a complete new install > on a new drive, and then use the migration assistant to transfer over your > applications and stuff. I wholeheartedly agree with Eric on this one, provided one's situation allows it. I have 12 core MacPro that I just got before the 'new' MacPros came out, and with 4 drive bays, I was able to do a clean install of Mav, migrate my user account etc., and it still gives me the option of going back to ML, which I do most of the time right now. To be honest, I am not at all impressed with 10.9; Apple's sloppiest OS transition to date IMO. Mail still doesn't work right and the main reason I wanted to try it out was multiple monitor support, which is OK, but some applications, like Apple Mail, refuses to remember window positions regarding a 2nd monitor. Those who use iMacs and laptops won't find this method quite as easy unless going with external drives. That's one of the reasons prefer the old MacPros. As far as Finale is concerned, it seems OK, but then I still do 99% of my work in ML, so take that with a caveat as it was intended. For those of us with Apple Cinema displays, there is a bug in update 2014a that occurs on startup that has no current workaround. MM recommended I go back to 2014, which I did. Just venting… J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Union rules on doubling
Thanks Gary, and all who chimed in with what they know. Very, very informative. Exactly what I was looking for. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Mar 17, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Greg Hamilton wrote: > Hi J D, > > Just to clarify, each AFM Local determines their own rules for doubling for > Live engagements, in other words, any engagement falling within their > jurisdiction. Rules for Electronic media agreements (i.e. film, TV, sound > recording, etc.) are determined at the national level by the AFM Agreement in > which the session would be recorded under. > > I would double check with the local in which the gig is taking place, just to > be sure. > > Hope this helps, > Greg > > Greg Hamilton > Music Service > Office: 604.420.COPY (2679) > Cel: 604.612.9204 > >> From: J D Thomas >> Subject: [Finale] Union rules on doubling >> Date: 16 March, 2014 5:12:14 PM PDT >> To: "" >> Reply-To: >> >> >> I had a phone conversation with a client earlier today. And the topic of >> doublings came up. This is going to happen in a live situation, not in the >> studio. He is going to have a situation where the two clarinets are going >> to most likely be playing both Bb and A clarinets. Someone from NYC checked >> into it for him and told him that the two clarinets were considered the same >> under union doubling rules. >> >> I am a member of Local 47, Los Angeles, and I told him if a player picks up >> another instrument and plays it on a session, it's a double. Period. He >> argued that this was not the case with classical performances and reiterated >> that the two clarinets are considered the same. I countered that they were >> not, and he was getting erroneous information. >> >> I'd like to hear what everyone knows on this issue. I did many, many >> sessions in LA when I lived there for 21 years. Both live and recorded. >> But I will admit my memory is foggy; I've been out of LA for over 13 years. >> But I do recall that if a played picks up another axe, it's a double. >> >> Any and all opinions are most welcome. >> >> J D Thomas >> ThomaStudios > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] "always open with" 2012 disabled when 2014 installed
John is exactly right, at least that's how it works on my system. Since it haven't completely adopted Finale 2014 for all my files yet, I've gotten into the habit of NOT double clicking files. Rather I right-click and select the version of Finale that I want to use, usually 2012. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:23 PM, John Roberts wrote: > My understanding is that if 2012 is running and 2014, though installed, > is closed, double clicking a Finale file will open it in 2012. (If it > was created in 2014, it will simply not open, with a message to that > effect). > JR > > On 3/17/14, 6:19 PM, Ryan wrote: >> Hello >> Mac OS. >> I installed Finale 2014 and started messing around and setting up my >> default files and other templates. I still have many files that I'm working >> on in 2012, and I'd like to continue working in 2012 until the project is >> completed. >> However, when I select the file in the Finder and choose Get Info to define >> which app I want to open .mus files, I can choose 2012, but when I click >> the Change All button, it reverts to 2014. Has Finale somehow disabled this >> action? Until the majority of my projects are in 2014, I want 2012 to open >> the files on default. >> And, is there a difference between .mus and .musx file extensions? >> Ryan >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> >> > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Union rules on doubling
I had a phone conversation with a client earlier today. And the topic of doublings came up. This is going to happen in a live situation, not in the studio. He is going to have a situation where the two clarinets are going to most likely be playing both Bb and A clarinets. Someone from NYC checked into it for him and told him that the two clarinets were considered the same under union doubling rules. I am a member of Local 47, Los Angeles, and I told him if a player picks up another instrument and plays it on a session, it's a double. Period. He argued that this was not the case with classical performances and reiterated that the two clarinets are considered the same. I countered that they were not, and he was getting erroneous information. I'd like to hear what everyone knows on this issue. I did many, many sessions in LA when I lived there for 21 years. Both live and recorded. But I will admit my memory is foggy; I've been out of LA for over 13 years. But I do recall that if a played picks up another axe, it's a double. Any and all opinions are most welcome. J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] FINMAC Clear key alternative?
Naw, keep it. I'm good! On Feb 21, 2014, at 9:47 AM, GERALD BERG wrote: > Brilliant! Works! Thanks. You can have the shirt off my back JD! > > GJB > > > ________ > From: J D Thomas > To: finale@shsu.edu > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 1:09:27 AM > Subject: Re: [Finale] FINMAC Clear key alternative? > > > Shirt-Delete works for laptop KBs. Try that. > > J D Thomas > ThomaStudios > > > On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:18 PM, GERALD BERG wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> Is there an alternate key combo for CLEAR in Speedy entry? (i.e. clear this >> note from chord) My keyboard lacks the clear key -- a wireless jobbie... >> >> >> GJB >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FINMAC Clear key alternative?
It's a new combination. Just out. Try it. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Feb 21, 2014, at 2:01 AM, Eric Fiedler wrote: > I'm not sure I'd want to delete my shirt. At least not in public. ;-) > Eric > * > Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) > www.habsburgerverlag.de > webmas...@habsburgerverlag.de > * > > Am 21.02.2014 um 07:09 schrieb J D Thomas : > >> Shirt-Delete works for laptop KBs. Try that. >> > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FINMAC Clear key alternative?
Shirt-Delete works for laptop KBs. Try that. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:18 PM, GERALD BERG wrote: > Hi all > > Is there an alternate key combo for CLEAR in Speedy entry? (i.e. clear this > note from chord) My keyboard lacks the clear key -- a wireless jobbie... > > > GJB > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TGTools for 2014
The set that is included with Finale is the 'lite' set. The full version does co$t. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Feb 16, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Michael Mathew wrote: > While looking at Finale without the update, to me it appears that TG already > updated the tool set and Finale have included it in the 2014a update? > > Fascinating and a thanks to Mr. T! > > mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com > http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl > http://oregonmts.com/mathew/ > > > > On Sunday, February 16, 2014 3:36 PM, Michael Mathew > wrote: > > The new file is on the download page of his website: > > http://www.tgtools.de/downdocs.htm > > > Michael Mathew > > mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com > http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl > http://oregonmts.com/mathew/ > > > > On Sunday, February 16, 2014 2:48 PM, Eric Dannewitz > wrote: > > It is working under 2014 for Mac, which it wasn't doing before > > So, that part has been updated > > Sent from my iSomething > -- > Eric Dannewitz > Musician/Polymath/Evil Genius > http://www.ericdannewitz.com > >> On Feb 16, 2014, at 1:33 PM, J D Thomas wrote: >> >> Can you (Eric) or anyone confirm that this is really an update? The version >> number is the same for Macs, 2.60, and the creation date still says Dec 2009. >> >> Hmm. >> >> J D Thomas >> ThomaStudios >> >>> On Feb 16, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: >>> >>> Seems like he updated them for Finale 2014. Whoohoo! Thanks Tobias >>> >>> >>> >>> NOT Sent from a Windows Computer >>> -- >>> Eric Dannewitz >>> Musician/Polymath/Evil Genius >>> http://www.ericdannewitz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > >>> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TGTools for 2014
Can you (Eric) or anyone confirm that this is really an update? The version number is the same for Macs, 2.60, and the creation date still says Dec 2009. Hmm. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Feb 16, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > Seems like he updated them for Finale 2014. Whoohoo! Thanks Tobias > > > > NOT Sent from a Windows Computer > -- > Eric Dannewitz > Musician/Polymath/Evil Genius > http://www.ericdannewitz.com > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TGTools for 2014
Excellent!. Thanks for the headzup Eric. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Feb 16, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > Seems like he updated them for Finale 2014. Whoohoo! Thanks Tobias > > > > NOT Sent from a Windows Computer > -- > Eric Dannewitz > Musician/Polymath/Evil Genius > http://www.ericdannewitz.com > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Locating the Plug-in Folder
There are two Application Support folders: both in Library, one at the root level and one in your user folder. Both are irritatingly hidden by default in the last 3 Mac OS iterations. But they are still accessible. (just in case you weren't aware of that). Hold down the option key. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Dec 11, 2013, at 2:32 AM, Glen Daum wrote: > Jari, > > I meant Application Support. It isn't showing up. I wonder why not? > > Glen > > Sent from my iPad > >>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:20 AM, Jari Williamsson >>> wrote: >>> >>> On 2013-12-11 11:07, Glen Daum wrote: >>> >>> I know that this must have been discussed previously, but I'm having >>> difficulty making >>> the Plug-in folder appear in my Mac Finder. I go to >>> Library––>Applications––>Make Music––>Finale 2014 and it's not there. >>> What am I missing? Is there some trick I have to do to access it? >> >> It's in "Application Support", not "Applications". >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Jari Williamsson >> >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] cut time question
In the time sig dialog, click on Options and have it show another time signature. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Dec 8, 2013, at 7:37 AM, Martin Banner wrote: > In Finale 2008, I have a movement in 4/2 time (marked alla breve). I > want the time signature to show as cut time, not 4/2. How do I > accomplish this? > > Thanks, > Martin > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014
Yum!! On Nov 19, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: > Nut, I don't know. It is certainly the opinion of one who enjoys the > delicious crunchy sound of wrong notes. > > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Steve Parker wrote: > >> This is nuts! >> >> Steve P. >> >>> On 19 Nov 2013, at 15:36, Patrick Sheehan >> wrote: >>> >>> Courtesy accidentals (ANYWHERE) are for the weak. If you *need* them in >> the >>> part, then that means you're not following the key signature. Back to >>> school! >>> >>> patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Christopher Smith [mailto:christopher.sm...@videotron.ca] >>> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 12:28 PM >>> To: finale@shsu.edu >>> Subject: Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014 >>> >>> If you will permit a somewhat differing opinion, I think there are places >>> where cautionaries are necessary, even when there isn't a key change, >> and I >>> have figured out after many years that NON-parenthesised ones actually >> are >>> easier to read. >>> >>> I know that parentheses make logical sense, that a parenthesised >> accidental >>> is kind of like saying, "I KNOW you know this, but here's a reminder" to >>> differentiate it from one that is absolutely necessary. But from a >> distance, >>> parentheses around an accidental makes all three (sharp, flat, and >> natural) >>> into the same outline, so you have to read more closely to see which >>> accidental it actually is. Already, sharps and naturals are easy to >> confuse >>> with each other; the parentheses make it worse. I keep getting caught by >>> these on the gigs I do where the Finale user is less than professional. >> And >>> Sibelius seems to have this redundant accidental default that puts in >>> accidentals on the SECOND of two tied notes! >>> >>> Christopher >>> >>> On Sun Nov 10, at SundayNov 10 12:39 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: For those of us with imperfect eyesight, we cannot always see the accidental clearly. If I can see that there is an accidental, then I can make a quick judgment about whether it is most likely a flat, sharp, or natural and be right almost all the time. People who add unnecessary accidental markings without parenthesizing them should be shot, IMHO. And people who pencil in unnecessary accidentals BESIDE notes in the music should also be shot. If one needs a reminder about a note, write the accidental ABOVE the note, with a parenthesis and there will never be any confusion. IMHO, the only time an accidental should be penciled BESIDE a note is when correcting a misprint. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014
I agree. My notation experience goes way back to well before computers entered the scene and it was all done by hand. I was schooled in LA where, as is the case pretty much everywhere, you never, ever have enough rehearsal time. So the music should be notated explicitly where absolutely no questions arise. That just wastes time. In overly complicated, non-key-signature pieces, courtesy accidentals are completely warranted, especially in 2-handed parts like piano and harp. 'Go back to school'??? Get over yourself!! J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Nov 19, 2013, at 7:45 AM, Ryan Beard wrote: > I wouldn't go that far. A courtesy accidental is very helpful on those > occasions when you really mean to have an F# and and F-nat at the same time > in an otherwise tonal piece. More of a "this is not a printing error" thing. > Granted, a non-courtesy would do just fine in that instance, too. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 19, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Patrick Sheehan >> wrote: >> >> Courtesy accidentals (ANYWHERE) are for the weak. If you *need* them in the >> part, then that means you're not following the key signature. Back to >> school! >> >> patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com >> -Original Message- >> From: Christopher Smith [mailto:christopher.sm...@videotron.ca] >> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 12:28 PM >> To: finale@shsu.edu >> Subject: Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014 >> >> If you will permit a somewhat differing opinion, I think there are places >> where cautionaries are necessary, even when there isn't a key change, and I >> have figured out after many years that NON-parenthesised ones actually are >> easier to read. >> >> I know that parentheses make logical sense, that a parenthesised accidental >> is kind of like saying, "I KNOW you know this, but here's a reminder" to >> differentiate it from one that is absolutely necessary. But from a distance, >> parentheses around an accidental makes all three (sharp, flat, and natural) >> into the same outline, so you have to read more closely to see which >> accidental it actually is. Already, sharps and naturals are easy to confuse >> with each other; the parentheses make it worse. I keep getting caught by >> these on the gigs I do where the Finale user is less than professional. And >> Sibelius seems to have this redundant accidental default that puts in >> accidentals on the SECOND of two tied notes! >> >> Christopher >> >> >>> On Sun Nov 10, at SundayNov 10 12:39 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: >>> >>> >>> For those of us with imperfect eyesight, we cannot always see the >>> accidental clearly. If I can see that there is an accidental, then I >>> can make a quick judgment about whether it is most likely a flat, sharp, >>> or natural and be right almost all the time. People who add unnecessary >>> accidental markings without parenthesizing them should be shot, IMHO. >>> And people who pencil in unnecessary accidentals BESIDE notes in the >>> music should also be shot. If one needs a reminder about a note, write >>> the accidental ABOVE the note, with a parenthesis and there will never >>> be any confusion. IMHO, the only time an accidental should be penciled >>> BESIDE a note is when correcting a misprint. >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2014
I got the exact same message from Tobias this morning after I emailed him yesterday. Alas, no timetable, but hopeful nonetheless. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Nov 5, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > Here is word about TGTools > > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From:* tob...@tgtools.de > *Date:* November 5, 2013 3:25:10 AM PST > *To:* Eric Dannewitz > *Subject:* *Re: Finale 2014* > > Hello, > > yes I will make an update. > > Kind Regards, > Tobias Giesen > > Super Flexible Software Ltd. & Co. KG > Buddenstr. 29-31 > 48143 Münster, Germany > www.superflexible.com > www.tgtools.com > > --- > Registered at register court Steinfurt as HRA 5061 > Liability / general partner: TGTools Ltd. > Company No. 05513299 > Registered in England and Wales > Directors: Tobias Giesen and Claudia Giesen > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Disappearing scrolls with OS 10.8.5
Well, my url link didn't take. Go here: http://www.marcmoini.com/sx_en.html On Oct 18, 2013, at 7:35 AM, J D Thomas wrote: > Google 'smart scroll Mac' > > This will be the top link.'' > > J D Thomas > ThomaStudios > > On Oct 18, 2013, at 7:19 AM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre > wrote: > >> Sure that is the exact app name? >> >> Looked in the App Store from my OSX 10.7.5 desktop as well as from my >> OSX10.8.5 desktop and didn't see it. >> >> A version for the older desktop would be most import for my work in Finale >> 2012. >> >> Klaus >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Disappearing scrolls with OS 10.8.5
Google 'smart scroll Mac' This will be the top link.'' J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Oct 18, 2013, at 7:19 AM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre wrote: > Sure that is the exact app name? > > Looked in the App Store from my OSX 10.7.5 desktop as well as from my > OSX10.8.5 desktop and didn't see it. > > A version for the older desktop would be most import for my work in Finale > 2012. > > Klaus > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] typing in music symbols
Linda, One app I use that's very handy for finding and inserting various characters system-wide is PopChar. It does cost $ but I find it indispensable. It lives in the menubar to the left of the Apple menu when installed. And, according to PopChar, ff fortissimo is opt-f and fff is shift-option-f in Maestro. But you probably already knew that, yes? J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Apr 8, 2013, at 1:33 PM, Linda Worsley wrote: > Thanks to all for pointing me at some sources. I'm aware of the baseline > problems and just deal with them as they come up, by a variety of editing > tricks. But I'm having trouble finding a keystroke for fortissimo (ff). > If I use the one in the chart I get "fff" so I don't quite know what to do > about that. I've been using maestro, but maybe I'll see if engraver has > its head on straight. > > Thanks again! > > Linda > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O wise ones...
On a follow up, while Hide Staves works very well for hiding empty staves, sometimes you might need to hide staves that actually contain music. I discovered this myself recently when a client requested just such a scenario. I learned, with Darcy and Robert's help, that you can apply the Staff Style Force Hide and Collapse to accomplish. It may come up for you, and it's really handy to know. You get to it from Staff Styles. HTH. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Mar 15, 2013, at 10:19 PM, J D Thomas wrote: > You're welcome Les. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Mar 15, 2013, at 9:28 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote: > >> J D - >> >> Thanks VERY much! Absolutely did the trick. My own fault, though for not >> guessing MM would change not only the tool, but what it’s called – I >> (naturally) checked the online FM’s index under “Systems” and “Optimiz---” >> and not a thing. And as I seem to recall it was referred to as “System >> Optimization” in the past incarnations of Finale over the past 80 or 90 >> years. And now: “Hide Staves”??! Well, okay, sure, MM! >> >> In any event, THANKS J D!! I really appreciate your help. >> >> Les Marsden >> (209) 966-6988 (H) >> (559) 708-6027 (Limited-reception cell) >> 7145 Snyder Creek Road >> Mariposa, CA 95338-9641 >> >> Chairman, Mariposa County Planning Commission >> President, Mariposa County Arts Council, Incorporated >> Board Director, Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County >> Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra ♫ ♪ ♫ >> >> Marsden Marx Pages (former career ended by disability): >> http://tinyurl.com/ygpj7og >> Mariposa Symphony Orchestra: http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html >> >> >> >> From: J D Thomas >> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 6:17 PM >> To: mailto:finale@shsu.edu >> Subject: Re: [Finale] O wise ones... >> >> Staff tool > Hide Staves >> >> Staff optimizing in Finale 2012 was consolidated into the Staff tool >> >> J D Thomas >> ThomaStudios >> >> Sent from my iSomething-or-other >> >> On Mar 15, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra >> wrote: >> >>> I rarely optimize systems, but have appreciated the ability to do so from >>> time to rare time. And now, for the first time since upgrading to 2012 a >>> million years ago, I can’t find the option to do so. Used to be in page >>> layout, right?Well – unless the gremlins have been busy chewing their >>> way through my computer, it ain’t there. And yup, I RTFM – and it wasn’t >>> THERE, either. >>> >>> So --- did MM do away with system optimization??Anyone?And FWIW, >>> Win8 – and as noted, Fin12. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Les Marsden >>> (209) 966-6988 (H) >>> (559) 708-6027 (Limited-reception cell) >>> 7145 Snyder Creek Road >>> Mariposa, CA 95338-9641 >>> >>> Chairman, Mariposa County Planning Commission >>> President, Mariposa County Arts Council, Incorporated >>> Board Director, Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County >>> Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra ♫ ♪ ♫ >>> >>> Marsden Marx Pages (former career ended by disability): >>> http://tinyurl.com/ygpj7og >>> Mariposa Symphony Orchestra: http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O wise ones...
You're welcome Les. Sent from my iPad On Mar 15, 2013, at 9:28 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote: > J D - > > Thanks VERY much! Absolutely did the trick. My own fault, though for not > guessing MM would change not only the tool, but what it’s called – I > (naturally) checked the online FM’s index under “Systems” and “Optimiz---” > and not a thing. And as I seem to recall it was referred to as “System > Optimization” in the past incarnations of Finale over the past 80 or 90 > years. And now: “Hide Staves”??! Well, okay, sure, MM! > > In any event, THANKS J D!! I really appreciate your help. > > Les Marsden > (209) 966-6988 (H) > (559) 708-6027 (Limited-reception cell) > 7145 Snyder Creek Road > Mariposa, CA 95338-9641 > > Chairman, Mariposa County Planning Commission > President, Mariposa County Arts Council, Incorporated > Board Director, Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County > Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra ♫ ♪ ♫ > > Marsden Marx Pages (former career ended by disability): > http://tinyurl.com/ygpj7og > Mariposa Symphony Orchestra: http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html > > > > From: J D Thomas > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 6:17 PM > To: mailto:finale@shsu.edu > Subject: Re: [Finale] O wise ones... > > Staff tool > Hide Staves > > Staff optimizing in Finale 2012 was consolidated into the Staff tool > > J D Thomas > ThomaStudios > > Sent from my iSomething-or-other > > On Mar 15, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote: > >> I rarely optimize systems, but have appreciated the ability to do so from >> time to rare time. And now, for the first time since upgrading to 2012 a >> million years ago, I can’t find the option to do so. Used to be in page >> layout, right?Well – unless the gremlins have been busy chewing their >> way through my computer, it ain’t there. And yup, I RTFM – and it wasn’t >> THERE, either. >> >> So --- did MM do away with system optimization??Anyone?And FWIW, >> Win8 – and as noted, Fin12. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Les Marsden >> (209) 966-6988 (H) >> (559) 708-6027 (Limited-reception cell) >> 7145 Snyder Creek Road >> Mariposa, CA 95338-9641 >> >> Chairman, Mariposa County Planning Commission >> President, Mariposa County Arts Council, Incorporated >> Board Director, Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County >> Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra ♫ ♪ ♫ >> >> Marsden Marx Pages (former career ended by disability): >> http://tinyurl.com/ygpj7og >> Mariposa Symphony Orchestra: http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O wise ones...
Yes on all counts. Trust me, you'll like it. J D Thomas ThomaStudios Sent from my iSomething-or-other On Mar 15, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Cecil Rigby wrote: > And is the use of the staff tool for this purpose allowed in page view so you > can actually see what's being done? > Does this mean you can no longer right-click a system in page view and select > "Optimize systems..."? > I was thinking of upgrading to 2012 but I want to make SURE staff > optimization can be done while in page view. > Thanks- > Cecil Rigby > Clemson, SC > > -Original Message- > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of J > D Thomas > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 9:18 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Finale] O wise ones... > > Staff tool > Hide Staves > > Staff optimizing in Finale 2012 was consolidated into the Staff tool > > J D Thomas > ThomaStudios > > Sent from my iSomething-or-other > > On Mar 15, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote: > >> I rarely optimize systems, but have appreciated the ability to do so from >> time to rare time. And now, for the first time since upgrading to 2012 a >> million years ago, I can’t find the option to do so. Used to be in page >> layout, right?Well – unless the gremlins have been busy chewing their >> way through my computer, it ain’t there. And yup, I RTFM – and it wasn’t >> THERE, either. >> >> So --- did MM do away with system optimization??Anyone?And FWIW, >> Win8 – and as noted, Fin12. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Les Marsden >> (209) 966-6988 (H) >> (559) 708-6027 (Limited-reception cell) >> 7145 Snyder Creek Road >> Mariposa, CA 95338-9641 >> >> Chairman, Mariposa County Planning Commission President, Mariposa >> County Arts Council, Incorporated Board Director, Economic Development >> Corporation of Mariposa County Founding Music Director and Conductor, >> The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra ♫ ♪ ♫ >> >> Marsden Marx Pages (former career ended by disability): >> http://tinyurl.com/ygpj7og Mariposa Symphony Orchestra: >> http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6177 - Release Date: 03/15/13 > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O wise ones...
Staff tool > Hide Staves Staff optimizing in Finale 2012 was consolidated into the Staff tool J D Thomas ThomaStudios Sent from my iSomething-or-other On Mar 15, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote: > I rarely optimize systems, but have appreciated the ability to do so from > time to rare time. And now, for the first time since upgrading to 2012 a > million years ago, I can’t find the option to do so. Used to be in page > layout, right?Well – unless the gremlins have been busy chewing their way > through my computer, it ain’t there. And yup, I RTFM – and it wasn’t THERE, > either. > > So --- did MM do away with system optimization??Anyone?And FWIW, Win8 > – and as noted, Fin12. > > Thanks! > > Les Marsden > (209) 966-6988 (H) > (559) 708-6027 (Limited-reception cell) > 7145 Snyder Creek Road > Mariposa, CA 95338-9641 > > Chairman, Mariposa County Planning Commission > President, Mariposa County Arts Council, Incorporated > Board Director, Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County > Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra ♫ ♪ ♫ > > Marsden Marx Pages (former career ended by disability): > http://tinyurl.com/ygpj7og > Mariposa Symphony Orchestra: http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale Default Fonts Massaging
Please help me out here. There were several discussions some time ago about manipulating certain text files responsible for controlling the default fonts within Finale, namely now for me, FinMac2012. I thought I archived them but alas, no go. Can someone here enlighten me and point me in the right direction? I want to control the default text files mainly, so when I begin a new file, import XML, etc. I don't have to go thru and change them at that point. This is possible, yes? TIA. ******* J D Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score with cue notes
Excellent Darcy (and Robert). This does make the situation far more viable for my situation here. Thank you! J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jan 3, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: > Hi JD, > > When a cue is only on a partial system, you want to apply Blank Notation With > Rests (applied to the score only). This should give you what you want. > > My process is to first hide all cues in the score using Blank Notation With > Rests, then additionally collapse if/where needed. > > Cheers, > > - DJA > - > WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org > > On Jan 3, 2013, at 12:34 PM, J D Thomas wrote: > >> Thanks Robert. That Collapse style is what I was trying to recall since >> I've never used it before. Alas, none of the combinations I tried in the >> score really worked to my satisfaction. Hide and collapse in score only was >> close, but when I have situations where a cue is in a measure that's the >> first measure or two of a system, it creates a very unwanted effect. >> Relaying out the score is not an option I want to explore. >> >> So I'm left with maintaining two scores. You'd think MM would have been on >> this by now. What, we've had linked parts for 5+ years now? >> >> J D Thomas >> ThomaStudios >> >> >> >> On Jan 2, 2013, at 3:20 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: >> >>> It is possible to make it work, but essentially all the restrictions in >>> Fin07-11 apply to Fin12 as well. To force the staves with cues not to show >>> in the score use the "Force Hide (Collapse)" staff style. >>> >>> Of course, as in Fin07-11, you still have the problem that special tools >>> mods are not unlinkable, which affects most irritatingly ties and grace >>> note positioning. Also, clef changes in the cues require some ingenuity. >>> But if you can live with the special tools restriction, the clefs can be >>> surmounted. >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:32 PM, J D Thomas wrote: >>> >>>> OK. This is the first score I've done now in Finale Mac 2012 where I have >>>> had to use cues, and I've added cue notes to the score and laid out all the >>>> parts. Back in the old days of 2007 and probably 2011, I have always had >>>> to maintain two separate copies of the score, one for the final score and >>>> one for the parts since the cue notes in layers 3 and 4 annihilate my score >>>> layout. >>>> >>>> Is this still the preferred methodology for Finale 2012, or is there some >>>> settings and / or plugins that create a viable workaround? >>>> >>>> >>>> *** >>>> J D Thomas >>>> ThomaStudios >>>> West Linn OR >>>> www.thomastudios.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Finale mailing list >>>> Finale@shsu.edu >>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>>> >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> *** >> J D Thomas >> ThomaStudios >> West Linn OR >> www.thomastudios.com >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score with cue notes
Thanks Robert. That Collapse style is what I was trying to recall since I've never used it before. Alas, none of the combinations I tried in the score really worked to my satisfaction. Hide and collapse in score only was close, but when I have situations where a cue is in a measure that's the first measure or two of a system, it creates a very unwanted effect. Relaying out the score is not an option I want to explore. So I'm left with maintaining two scores. You'd think MM would have been on this by now. What, we've had linked parts for 5+ years now? J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jan 2, 2013, at 3:20 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > It is possible to make it work, but essentially all the restrictions in > Fin07-11 apply to Fin12 as well. To force the staves with cues not to show > in the score use the "Force Hide (Collapse)" staff style. > > Of course, as in Fin07-11, you still have the problem that special tools > mods are not unlinkable, which affects most irritatingly ties and grace > note positioning. Also, clef changes in the cues require some ingenuity. > But if you can live with the special tools restriction, the clefs can be > surmounted. > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:32 PM, J D Thomas wrote: > >> OK. This is the first score I've done now in Finale Mac 2012 where I have >> had to use cues, and I've added cue notes to the score and laid out all the >> parts. Back in the old days of 2007 and probably 2011, I have always had >> to maintain two separate copies of the score, one for the final score and >> one for the parts since the cue notes in layers 3 and 4 annihilate my score >> layout. >> >> Is this still the preferred methodology for Finale 2012, or is there some >> settings and / or plugins that create a viable workaround? >> >> >> *** >> J D Thomas >> ThomaStudios >> West Linn OR >> www.thomastudios.com >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Score with cue notes
OK. This is the first score I've done now in Finale Mac 2012 where I have had to use cues, and I've added cue notes to the score and laid out all the parts. Back in the old days of 2007 and probably 2011, I have always had to maintain two separate copies of the score, one for the final score and one for the parts since the cue notes in layers 3 and 4 annihilate my score layout. Is this still the preferred methodology for Finale 2012, or is there some settings and / or plugins that create a viable workaround? ******* J D Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback bug
I have had this happen many, many times. It's directly related to the stuck key metatool bug that has been long, long-standing. A complete Mac restart is the one sure way to relieve it, but if you do use metatools frequently, you will most likely encounter it again. I sure do. Short of a reboot, try running your fingers across the QWERTY keys several times and, if you have one, the numeric keypad. This is a trick I learned here on this board, and it has worked for me about 90% of the time. Let us know how you make out. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Haroldo Mauro wrote: > How do I get rid of this playback bug: > > In the Playback window I click PLAY = Finale plays the score > I click STOP = Finale stops playing > On the tool pallete I choose the Speedy Entry or ANY other tool then click > the score = Finale resumes playback!! > > No matter how many times I click back and forth, Finale resumes playback > whenever I click the score. > > Harold > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] stuck metatool key -- another clue?
Dennis, This for me has been a long-standing issue. MacPro 10.6.8. I also have a MacBook Pro but I do so little editing on that machine I've never come across the problem. Someone suggested here that the next time it happens, run your fingers over the QWERTY keyboard. I have done that now many, many times, adding in the numeric keypad as well, and every single time it has alleviated the problem; at least until the next occurrence. In a long Finale session of several hours, I can encounter the problem 4-5 times and this has worked every time for me. Try it and see. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Dec 7, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > I have a similar problem. I have to totally reboot to get rid of it. No matter > what metatool I choose (under a given tool) the same item is placed. This has > happened on two different machines (both WinXPSP3 Fin2011) so it's not likely > related to stuck hardware here. > > Dennis > > > On Fri, December 7, 2012 10:39 am, SN jef chippewa wrote: >> >> i have been having the problem regularly recently, but for the past >> day or so i haven't come across it. i just had it again, immediately >> after accessing a menu using the mouse (trackpad). it wasn't a >> finale menu, but wonder if it could be related. i didn't actually >> call up anything, was just checking the battery level of the trackpad >> in the bluetooth menu. >> >> maybe has nothing to do wth it, but am getting desperate... and >> hoping i have caught all the extra expressions that have been >> assigned because of this problem. >> >> i notice there are two items in the undo menu when it happens as >> well, so i have to undo twice to remove the bugger: >> >> 1) edit expression metatool >> 2) expression assign >> >> a long shot, but the "b" key got stuck when i accessed the bluetooth >> menu. i am getting lots of b, n, t, 1 and 2 getting stuck. maybe >> "t" gets stuck when accessing the tools (or TGTools) menu? ... >> >> well, of course i can't immediately reproduce it, so by support >> standards, the problem doesn't exist. but maybe this rings a bell >> for anyone who has the problem...? >> >> ah, maybe a tally of who gets it on what systems? >> >> me = macbook pro + trackpad, 10.6.7 > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Large-format duplex laser printer rec?
Hi Darcy, I have an HP5100 with a duplexer and it's still going strong after 9 years. Like Chuck, the duplexer crapped out for me after 6 years, and I was able to get a new replacement from eBay for a lot less than from HP. And that is still going fine at this point. This is my 3rd HP printer over 20+ years and it's basically a tank. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Dec 2, 2012, at 2:22 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: > Hi Darcy, > > My HP 5000 has lasted many years - more than 20. But the duplexer failed > early on and then became impractical to repair. I don't know how different > the 5100 is. > > Chuck > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 2, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I think my much-hated Ricoh 2610 is finally on its last legs. Any >> recommendations for a replacement? Must be large-format monochrome laser >> with duplex unit. Considering a used HP 5100 but I'm somewhat wary of the >> uncertainty of used models, any tips? >> >> Cheers, >> >> - DJA >> - >> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] chord symbol baseline
You don't say what version of Finale you're using, but in the last several versions the settings you are looking for are under Document Options > Chords. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Nov 24, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Ryan wrote: > Hi list, > How/where do I adjust the baseline height of a sharp (#) or flat (b) > alteration in a chord symbol? My template is placing those symbols too low > relative to the main chord symbol. > I had a hard drive crash recently. It must have somehow affected the > template, however the finished documents that used the template still show > the alteration symbols at the proper height. > Thanks > Ryan > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Does anyone else notice that Fin12 randomly crashes?
Well, like Darcy, I am currently working on a file that is 2MB. And Finale 2012 does crash occasionally, but nothing that I can pinpoint as a pattern and I haven't taken the time to try to remember exactly what I was doing. For the record, the file has been converted several versions and it's nearly 1700 measures long, for a good size chamber orchestra. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Oct 15, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: > I've started noticing this. For practical purposes it never happened before > when I was using Fin08, but Fin12 crashes on me at least once a day, > sometimes more. Maybe it is the large file I'm working. Don't know. > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] stuck metatool key - found a clue
Steve, Have you tried the solution jef came up with where you run your fingers over all the keys a few times? This has been working for me and, altho the whole situation is still a pisser, this does avoid a restart, which I've always found a major PITA. FWIW, it happens to me several times during long editing sessions and this trick always keeps me going. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Oct 5, 2012, at 9:47 AM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: > In my investigation into this issue and asking other engravers it seems > that everyone has different keys that stick more than others. For me the > number "1" is my main sticking metatool key which is a pain since I really > have to pay attention to not assign a dynamic where one shouldn't be. I > also have the c and i keys that stick pretty often but not as much as 1. I > have many different machines that I work on and I work with many different > templates created from different composers/arrangers/publishers and the > same keys get stuck no matter where the file comes from so it does not > seem to be template or file specific. It appears to somehow be user > driven. Why I would see the same stuck keys on different machines is just > bizarre to me when I know other people that have the t key as their main > stuck key which rarely, if ever sticks on any of my machines. > > I've explored changing all of my metatools to different ones in my files > to see if the sticking bug would move to a different "main" key but no > change. The number 1 was still my main key. > > A while ago I looked into your question of certain menu items being > highlighted before the sticking occurs and I was able to rule that out. > For example, while being in the expression tool I placed forte marks using > meta-tool 5. As I am holding down the 5 key I click on all the staves that > need the forte marking. After 4 times of clicking fortes into the score, > the next time I click, my "main" stuck key's item, what I have assigned to > meta-tool 1, shows up even thought my finger has not released the 5. This > is just an example, it can happen after one click it can happen after 8 > clicks. There really is no pattern. > > The stuck key issue occurs about every 15 minutes at a minimum and every > 30 seconds max. for me. Unfortunately I'm used to this workflow since I > have no choice but to work with it. It's a terrible way to work because I > cannot completely concentrate on what I'm doing because I'm always worried > about what I just accidentally clicked into the score. > > Steve > > > > On 10/5/12 10:48 AM, "SN jef chippewa" > wrote: > >> >> yeah, well that is what i have been saying since the start. i am >> trying to find out if anyone is experiencing, like me, that certain >> KEYS on the computer keyboard tend to stick more than others. since >> several people have experienced this, it is unlikely a mechanical >> fault, but i wonder if it relates to some menu item used just before >> the sticking happens >> >>> If you dig further into the situation you will find that the stuck >>> key is related to ALL metatools. >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] stuck metatool key - found a clue
Aha, it was you jef. And I'm here to tell you it does work. Good call. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Oct 4, 2012, at 8:25 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: > > hey andrew. i don't think i have ever had the thing reappear after > quitting finale! that definitely sux. > > not a real solution, but have you tried my technique of running > fingers / hands up and down the keyboard several times? others > reported this works. once you know which one it is you can usually > press it several times in a row to unstick it. > > next time you notice it, try to remember if there was some command, > some editing sequence or something you did right before it. maybe we > can locate the damn thing... > > you haven't noticed any consistency in the key(s) that get stuck then? > > >> I don't know if this will help. I don't even use iKey. But I >> periodically get stuck metatools, across many metatools. And no >> matter what key I strike, always the same articulation, or >> expression, or whatever, displays. >> >> Quitting Finale doesn't work. Even restarting the computer won't >> work (I'm on Mac). I find only shutting down the computer and >> starting up again fixes it. >> >> This bug bit me again last week, though it had shied away for so >> long. This is my (not good) solution. > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] stuck metatool key - found a clue
I've been dealing head-on with this metatool bug since Finale 2005, and finally, just recently, I got MM to admit they were aware of the bug. Alas, no solution is imminent. Restarting the Mac was the ONLY solution that actually did work and for me, in an average 3-5 hour editing session, I will encounter it several times. I do use a ton of metatools when I work in Finale. However, one user on the Finale user board suggested that when it happens again to run your fingers across the keyboard and numeric keypad a few times. I thought is was flaky but IT WORKS. And in my experience over the past couple months, it works just about every time. Try it. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Oct 4, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Andrew Levin wrote: > Jeff wrote: > > i discovered i can create the stuck metatool key problem in a very > specific instance. > > after running an iKey script (cmd-g for Go to page), i get the > problem with whatever metatool is assigned to "g" (articulation, > expression). > > i haven't been able to reproduce it for any other key, but am > starting to notice that "t" and "a" are also common victims of this > bug. has anyone else noticed any consistency in the keys that get > stuck? i'm now convinced it is not a random thing and am wondering > if maybe there is something in a particular menu that is causing this > problem. > > I don't know if this will help. I don't even use iKey. But I periodically get > stuck metatools, across many metatools. And no matter what key I strike, > always the same articulation, or expression, or whatever, displays. > > Quitting Finale doesn't work. Even restarting the computer won't work (I'm on > Mac). I find only shutting down the computer and starting up again fixes it. > > This bug bit me again last week, though it had shied away for so long. This > is my (not good) solution. > > Andrew Levin > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mountain Lion and Quickeys?
Andrew, I've been going thru the exact same malady involving QuicKeys. The application is in trouble and it's currently languishing due to the chief programmer for Startly dying last year. There's direct info on their website. I'm still on SN but I did find a viable substitute for QK, Keyboard Maestro. It's very robust and stable, and it does everything I need it to do even tho it doesn't have a couple of QK bells and whistles. They have a 15 or 30 day trial so you can get a feel for it. The only downside is you will have to reconstruct all of your shortcuts. I winced at that at first, but it made me rethink them all, especially the ones I use in Finale; and my old Finale QK's were massive in their sheer number. And that turned out to be beneficial for me. Try it and see if it works for you. J D Thomas ThomaStudios tssri On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Andrew Levin wrote: > Hello, everyone, > > I'm finally considering moving up to Mac OS 10.8, Mountain Lion. But as I > peruse RoaringApps for application compatibility I'm very hesitant to take > the plunge. Filemaker 11, SplashID Safe, iWeb, Band-in-a-Box, and Bamboo > (Wacom) all note problems, and Appigo's ToDo and JABMenu are questionable. > And now I've read that Quickeys is not entirely compatible. > > I don't mean to start a platform discussion. For now I'd like to know if > anyone using Quickeys with Mountain Lion is having any problems. I'm assuming > that Finale 2012c is working just fine with the new OS. > > (Argh! I finally found my Quicken replacement, and now this). > > Thanks! > > Andrew Levin > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Category break multimeas rests
Jumping in, if I may. How about creating the staff list so nothing is checked, kind of a null staff list. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: > No, jef, I got stumped at this step: > > set category to not use staff list but break MM rests. > > I don't see any way to change whether a category uses a staff list, once > the category is created. > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 10:47 AM, SN jef chippewa < > shirl...@newmusicnotation.com> wrote: > >> >> robert, did you catch my solution? it is indeed possible. >> >>> want to assign these to arbitrary individual staves and only break >>> multimeasure rests in the parts for those staves. >> >> >> on or around 15:04 +0200 9/28/12, SN jef chippewa seems to have said: >>> in the positioning tab, uncheck use CATEGORY positioning, check / >>> uncheck break MM rests >>> >>> so actually you can have the expression in any category and >>> therefore inherit the font definition and positioning (when it is >>> created at least) of the category. then define the one expression >>> you need to break MM rests and you> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2nd Quarter 2012 results
Hi Doug, Chiming in here if I may. I have used QuicKeys since v1.2 on my first Mac in 1989, and always found it indispensable especially in Finale. Currently I am still on Snow Leopard and one of the apps that was preventing my from moving to Lion was QK. They are having issues with their head programmer (it's posted on their website) and I feel the application is languishing now because of that and it made me seek out an alternative. In the past I did try iKey but it was completely unreliable and I trashed it. Someone on the Finale user board did say he was using the latest version of QK in Lion with no issues. But I felt QK was bogging down my system under SN and was concerned about using it under Lion. Could be a moot point tho. I am now using Keyboard Maestro and am finding it quite robust and more than usable here. The caveat was that I had to recreate all my Finale shortcuts which probably turned out to be a good thing since it made me rethink all of them and in some cases they became more efficient. It is missing some of QK niceties but all in all, it's eminently usable. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Aug 22, 2012, at 8:10 AM, Doug Walter wrote: > Hi Jef, > > I notice you're using iKey and I'm curious whether you've ever used QuicKeys. > I used to use the latter and always found it a bit clunky, especially for > more complicated tasks, so I left it alone for a few years and eventually > came back to a newer version and had the same issues. > > Currently I'm not using any third party software to automate things in Finale > and would love to know if you've found iKey both relatively simple and > reliable. After writing this I'll see if there's a demo I can try, but > firsthand experience is most welcome. If it matters, I'd be using it in Lion > (10.7.4). > > Thanks, > Doug > > On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:32 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: > >> >> they can be accessed from within the tool, but the tools themselves >> can also be assigned metatools (ctl-f through '). since they are per >> tool, you have 35+ metatools for each of the tools i listed (so >> something like 280+ in total). if they were tool-independent, you >> would only have 35+ TOTAL. >> >> i use iKey extensively for various tasks and task sequences which >> give you even more "metatools" and that are generally >> tool-independent; you can use a variety of key combinations in iKey, >> for example, i press ctl-opt-n to call up the change expression >> dalogue, cmd-ctl-t to run TGTools shift accidentals and dismiss the >> dialogue on a selected region. you can also build dozens of tasks in >> a single key command to across a variety of tools, essentially >> building your own plugins, i suppose. >> >>> Refresh my memory -- metatools are key combinations that work from >>> any tool in the program? Or do you have to be in the tool for which >>> the metatool was programmed? >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] [OT] wireless keyboard / numpad w. finale
Just curious Craig, regarding the LMP numpad you bought. I had one about a year ago and it never, ever really stayed connected via Bluetooth. Moreover, it was a major PITA to pair it. I would be most curious if you'd apprise us at some point on your experience with it. I got so frustrated at one point I beat the sh*t out of it with a hammer. I felt better then. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:11 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: > > i recently bought an apple bluetooth keyboard (french canadian), > apple trackpad and LMP bluetooth numpad. i am trying to figure out a > few key commands i had with my extended macally keyboard but can't > get to work on the new equipment. > > is anyone else using these and knows the key combos? > > function-cmd-arrowdown/up for page turn works on the laptop but not > on the keyboard, for some reason. the page up/down buttons apply to > the visible (on-screen) portion of the current page. > > also i hadn't remembered about the home/end buttons i use ALL THE > TIME that i no longer have. before i consider taking them back and > finding another solution, are there tricks i just don't know about? > > http://www.maclife.com/article/reviews/bluetooth_keypad_wkp1314_review > > i do like having a separate trackpad / keyboard and numpad, makes for > a modular workspace :-) but i need these keys! > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ties into second endings
Craig, FWIW, I WAS able to create a 2nd ending tie in Finale 2012 Mac using the option-click method from Speed Entry. I then could use the Special Tools Ties tool to flip the tie in either direction. If you're not able to do this, I suspect file corruption. Because it DOES work. J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ties into second endings
Actually, I had not known about the option= keystroke until Chuck mentioned it. Haven't had a chance to test it yet. If the tie is in the wrong direction, can you use the flip option in Special Tools to get it right? J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Aug 1, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > Maybe this is a Mac versus Windows thing, but that doesn't work for me. > As I read the doc, it seems to me that this command is supposed to do a > FULL tie back to the previous note. And that is exactly what it does on > my system -- ties back to the last note in the first ending, which is > wrong of course. Curiously, when I first enter the command, it displays > a half tie, but when I move to another measure, it becomes a full tie > page into the first ending. > > I tried the "tie end" option. That does work better for me, but it > still has a problem. It seems to be arbitrary about whether to put the > tie above or below the notehead, and it does not respond to the command > to flip the tie -- so I an stuck with one note that has a really > stupid-looking tie going the wrong direction. > > This is an example of one of those basic functionality things that the > Finale people have neglected for years while adding playback features of > dubious value. > > > > On 7/31/2012 12:34 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: >> It usually works for me to enter Opt./= on the first note of the second >> ending. That is supposed to put a backwards half tie on the note and >> usually does. >> >> There have been times (perhaps with older updated files) where that doesn't >> work, and I have to use a hand slur adjusted to resemble the ties. >> >> Chuck >> >> >> On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: >> >>> This is something that has always bugged me. There are many cases where >>> the last note before an ending ties, and the tie goes into the first >>> note of BOTH the first and second ending. In fact, that is the normal >>> case of a tie. In my view, it is invalid to right a tie going into the >>> first ending if the tie doesn't also go into the second ending. >>> >>> The normal way of notating this is to show "the right half of the tie" >>> going into the first note of the second ending. But Finale doesn't do >>> this. It seems that it should be automatic. It would seem to be very >>> straightforward to say "If an ending begins with a note and the measure >>> before the ending ended with a tie, then draw the right end of the tie >>> going into the ending." >>> >>> I cannot find any option that does this. Am I missing something? >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> Chuck Israels >> 8831 SE 12th Ave. >> Portland, OR 97202-7097 >> >> land line: (503) 954-2107 >> cell phone: (360) 201-3434 >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ties into second endings
Using the Speedy Entry tool, option-click on the measure in the 2nd ending where you want the tie. This brings up a rather extensive dialog box with many, many checkboxes. At the bottom there is a checkbox option called Tie End. Check it. When you go back to your score, you'll see the tie. I agree Finale should do this automatically. But this option has been available on every version of Finale since v2.0 back in the dark ages (1990s). HTH J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > This is something that has always bugged me. There are many cases where > the last note before an ending ties, and the tie goes into the first > note of BOTH the first and second ending. In fact, that is the normal > case of a tie. In my view, it is invalid to right a tie going into the > first ending if the tie doesn't also go into the second ending. > > The normal way of notating this is to show "the right half of the tie" > going into the first note of the second ending. But Finale doesn't do > this. It seems that it should be automatic. It would seem to be very > straightforward to say "If an ending begins with a note and the measure > before the ending ended with a tie, then draw the right end of the tie > going into the ending." > > I cannot find any option that does this. Am I missing something? > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale and an ongoing problem
When I first read this suggestion I thought it was a bit flakey. But over the past few days, whenever I re-encountered the bug I ran my middle 3 fingers over the QWERTY keyboard. Back in business. Go figure. Good call jef. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jul 18, 2012, at 8:00 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: > > i have had some luck unsticking metatools by running my hands across > the keyboard a few times, does this work afor anyone else? > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale and an ongoing problem
Here's one for the weird and unexplainable. Even tech support at MM has no answer, so I throw it up for the edification and advice of the collective knowledge here. I've had an ongoing problem with Finale for quite some time. It happens in Finale 2007, 2011, and 2012. I'm on a Mac 10.6.8 (but I also had it on 10.5.8 Leopard as well). MacPro 2 x 2.8GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon. I am a keyboard fanatic; I really don't like using the mouse unless there is no other way. So I have always made copious use of the built-in metatools in Finale, ever since version 2.0 back in the dark ages. I also have used keyboard macro programs but this issue is solely within Finale and involves only their metatools. I will be editing a file and everything will be fine. I use the numeric keypad to execute metatools and I have a system I've developed for every tool and every file I work in so that it is easy to remember file to file. What happens is that all of a sudden Finale stops recognizing the numeric keypad for metatools. I hold down a number, click, and whatever tool I'm in, up comes the usual dialog box as if I just double-clicked. The numbers along the QWERTY will work however--sometimes. I have had numerous experiences lately where Finale will get stubborn and NONE of the keys work, including ones I've programmed for letter keys. In fact, if I click in the score with any tool, Finale will steadfastly place the last entered element I used for that tool. This happens with Articulations, Clefs, Expressions, you name it. Every tool that utilizes metatools. Quitting and relaunching the program never helps. Logging out and back in works sometimes. Restarting seems to work all or most of the time. But the issue keep recurring at some point, even after a restart. And it's pissing me off! It's not the keyboard because I've had the same problem with 4 different ones, wired and wireless. Doug at tech support finally threw in the towel stating they'd heard nothing along these lines from any other user and he tried everything he could think of to no avail. I then considered that it just might be a user account issue, since I've use the same user account for the past 3-4 years or so, and it's the same MacPro. So I set up a new, virgin user account, started editing away in Finale 2012, and bang, this morning it happened again! Just like all the other times. If anyone has any suggestions, advice, I'm all ears. The new user account was my last stab. I am at a loss. J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Measure numbers query
Finale Mac 2012b.r1 Besides going thru the Staff Attributes dialog and adjusting select stave settings, isn't there one setting somewhere where I can tell Finale to show measure numbers on certain staves in an orchestral score? J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b
I tossed this out a couple weeks back and only heard from Chuck. Has anyone had ANY contact at all with Tobias regarding the status of TGTools? I wholeheartedly agree with everyone here who finds them indispensable to our work flow, and I would be more than happy to pay an upgrade fee to keep them running smoothly. Or, MakeMusic, buy out Tobias and keep these developed. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jul 4, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: > For the benefit of the MM employees on this list, I have to say that I > completely agree. TGTools is an absolutely essential part of my > workflow, in ways large and small. > > Aaron. > > On 7/4/2012 2:35 PM, Henry Howey wrote: >> I'm noticing that several of the tools are now inoperable. >> >> MakeMusic MUST acquire and maintain TGTOOLS. I'm sure Garritan and MusicXML >> were not cheap. TGTOOLS would be much less. >> >> Henry Howey >> >> Sent from my iWhatever >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 questions
Update: I did get TGTools to cross-staff. I was using the wrong keyboard shortcut. Doh!! But my overall concern about the future of TGT still lingers. I for one would be more than willing to pay for an upgrade. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jun 22, 2012, at 12:53 PM, J D Thomas wrote: > Hey all, > > Has anyone had any contact with Tobias about TGTools and whether he intends > to continue their development? I emailed him a couple weeks ago and heard > nothing back. > > I'm working on a file in Mac 2012 and Cross-Staff simply won't work. I hate > the idea of having to kludge around with Note Mover, Reverse Stems and all > the rest of that crap. TGTools was so elegant, but it won't work either from > the dialog or the usual keyboard shortcut, and Finale seems to only show the > old multi-step method. And I have a boatload of these to do. > > Thanks. > > J D Thomas > ThomaStudios > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale 2012 questions
Hey all, Has anyone had any contact with Tobias about TGTools and whether he intends to continue their development? I emailed him a couple weeks ago and heard nothing back. I'm working on a file in Mac 2012 and Cross-Staff simply won't work. I hate the idea of having to kludge around with Note Mover, Reverse Stems and all the rest of that crap. TGTools was so elegant, but it won't work either from the dialog or the usual keyboard shortcut, and Finale seems to only show the old multi-step method. And I have a boatload of these to do. Thanks. J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Restore stems
Try Robert's Mass Copy plugin to remove all note alterations. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On May 18, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > Hi all, > > I was working on various staff spacings in an area without stems and not > watching and I accidentally selected everything and removed all my stems in an > orchestral piece. > > It was many saves ago, and I had already left Finale to do something else. > WhenI came back to page 1 -- no stems. > > TGTools 'remove' took them away, but it has no 'restore' tool. How do I select > groups of measures to get them back? I can go one measure at a time with the > special tool for stems, but how can I select blocks of measures? > > (I tried doing a Finalescript for the first time. I can get the measure to go > into the custom stem tool, but can't get it to select the checkboxes.) > > Thanks, > Dennis > > > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] How do I insert 2 beats (part of a measure)?
How about adding a 2/4 measure where you want it. Then before adding any notes, change the measure to whatever the surround time signature happens to be. Then add your notes. Readjust if necessary to get what you're looking for. That is if I understand your situation correctly. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On May 1, 2012, at 9:41 AM, bill sinclair wrote: > > > I don't know how it happened, but 2 beats got left out of the middle of my > concert score. > > So I want to insert them in again. It's half a measure, so I can't use "Add > measure stack." > > Is there a quick and easy way to do that? > > The "select part of a measure option" apparently has been moved somewhere > where I can't find it. > > bill sinclair > billsi...@aol.com > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Awkward key signature menu
It also impacts chord symbol entry, especially from a MIDI keyboard. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Apr 18, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: > The choice of a major vs. minor key affects the default enharmonic spelling > when entering notes using a MIDI keyboard. > > For example, in G minor, you'd generally want F#'s, whereas in Bb major, > you'd generally want Gb's. > > Cheers, > > - DJA > - > WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org > > > > On 18 Apr 2012, at 12:36 PM, bill sinclair wrote: > >> They have a really awkward feature that I wish would be fixed - - - >> >> When you request a key signature, it makes a distinction between a >> major key and a minor key with the exact same pattern of sharps and >> flats. For example, they call C minor a DIFFERENT key signature than E >> flat major. >> >> Why even give it a name? There should be only 15 choices 1-7 sharps, >> 1-7 flats or NONE. Instead they make you do about 30 choices. you have >> the 12 keys, but there are TWO name for 3 of them. >> >> This creates a lot of confusion. Whether you transpose the notes or not >> should be a option which is checked or unchecked. Instead they call it >> "other." There are lots of situations where you want to change the key >> signature, but keep the note pitches the same. >> >> This could be put on a greatly simplified menu. For example: >> 1) no of sharps or flats, and >> 2) what kind it is: sharp or flat, or non-standard. >> 3) three check boxes: No tranpose, enharmonic, or diatonic. >> >> By non-standard I mean a melodic minor for example. >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Flippin' fermatas!
I agree with David. I do this all the time over the articulation route. You can adjust them all at once or individually and set up other parameters like breaking multimeasure rests, etc. A very worthwhile alternative option. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Apr 13, 2012, at 11:38 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: > On 4/13/2012 2:05 PM, Jamin Hoffman wrote: >> I am trying to put fermatas over whole rests in a score (MacFin >> 2012a); I insert real whole notes, change them to "real" whole rests, >> and then put a fermata over the rest. So far, everything is fine. >> If I try to copy that into the measures below it, however, the >> fermatas flip to underneath the measure. If I put something into one >> of the other measures in the stack, then the fermatas flip. If I try >> to edit the linked part, the fermatas flip. >> >> Is there a fix for this, or is there something obvious I am missing? >> > > How about creating an expression with a fermata in it? You can then > place it over the default whole rests and not mess with "real" whole > rests and the messes they bring. I just tried it and it works very well > with much less fuss. > > > -- > David H. Bailey > dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Different Problem
OK, this will be different. I have a client that I've laid out a 400+ measure score for string orchestra. When I first started it, I knew there would probably be some quarter-tone notation, but I didn't set up a nonstandard key; I opted to do it in C. Now edits and rewrites are coming back in and there are a some places where quarter flats and sharps are needed. So, as I've done in the past, I set up a non-standard key setting using the appropriate symbols the client wants. So far so good. The problem is now all the original sharps and flats are 1/4 tone low thruout the score. The only way I've been able to fix them is one at a time; tedious to say the least. Does anyone have a suggestion as to how I may be able to fix this? Normal transposition routes are based on 1/2 steps, so that doesn't work. Thanks. J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Moving individual staves in a system
A thought along these lines might be to have a user-defined key combo that would move items (like staves) a larger amount away from what we can now set in Document Options. What I was thinking was similar to what you can do in Adobe Illustrator, where if you hold down the Command key, any selected item would more 10 pixels, or any other user-defined amount. I find I use that a ton in AI. I've been wrestling with exactly the same staff issues Robert mentions. I'm going thru an enormous old Finale file in Fin2K11 (over 1800 measures) for a client, and this new staff scenario is wreaking have with the old optimization feature. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Fiskum, Steve wrote: > Yes! This is the biggest irritation with the new system. The amount of > concentration and precision needed in just grabbing a staff can be very > frustrating. It would be better if the system was tweaked just a bit to > allow a bigger area for us to click-and-drag so that it is not so easy to > move ALL systems on all pages. You really need to make sure you click on > the handle and do not accidentally click it twice because you will easily > move the systems on all pages. This was the first thing that was hard to > get used to for me especially since I usually work while viewing a single > page at a time. It would be great if we had a different highlight color so > we would know which part of the staff tool's staff moving function was ON. > > Cheers, > Steve > > > On 3/22/12 12:07 PM, "Robert Patterson" > wrote: > >> Something that is turning into a bother is that I keep accidentally >> destroying all my individual vertical staff positioning. I think it may >> because it is so easy to select all systems rather than just one when >> hiding a staff. I'm not sure but it is really annoying. >> >> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jari Williamsson < >> jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se> wrote: >> >>> On 2012-03-22 17:13, Aaron Sherber wrote: >>>> On 3/22/2012 11:36 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: >>>>> One of the things that has changed is how one moves staves >>> vertically in >>>>> page view. dragging a staff now drags all staves beneath it. I like >>> the >>>>> change, but I am wondering how to only drag that staff without >>> dragging >>> any >>>>> others. >>>> >>>> It's Alt+drag in Windows. >>> >>> If it's any help to find how to do it on the Mac, it's the same key that >>> is used to toggle the behavior of attachment points (while dragging >>> expressions for example). >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Jari Williamsson >>> >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale and Illustrator
What Richard says is true, but you can also export the Finale file as EPS via the Graphics Menu. This will open in Illustrator and everything is editable. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Mar 4, 2012, at 7:11 AM, David Froom wrote: > Dear collective wisdom, > > Does anyone export Finale in such a way that individual elements are editable > in Illustrator? I seem to remember someone telling me that this is possible. > (EPS? compiling PS?) I have a student who is interested in doing this. He > is a double major (Art) and has good Illustrator skills. > > If anyone could point me in the right direction -- or suggest another way > (with different graphics programs) to accomplish this in some form, please > let me know. > > Thank you, > David Froom > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Global spacing question
Hi Ryan Good news and bad news. What you suggested wasn't it. Changing that setting did nothing to my score. But the ensuing lookup in the manual did locate the right setting: Document Options > Notes and Rests > Spacing Before Music - that did it. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Feb 28, 2012, at 2:20 PM, Ryan wrote: > Document Options > Accidentals > Adjustment at Start of Measure: > > Perhaps that's what you're looking for? > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:49 PM, J D Thomas wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> Finale Mac 2011— >> >> I used to know how to do this, but… >> >> Where is the global setting to adjust the default amount of space between >> accidentals and the initial barline? IOW, the first notes in any measure >> that have accidentals; the space between the barline and the first >> accidental. Right now Fin2K11 puts too much space for my tastes and it >> adds up measure to measure as I do layout. I do seem to remember there was >> a global setting somewhere to adjust this. But I can't seem to find. >> >> Or, was I just dreaming? >> >> TIA. >> >> J D Thomas >> ThomaStudios >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Global spacing question
Hey all, Finale Mac 2011— I used to know how to do this, but… Where is the global setting to adjust the default amount of space between accidentals and the initial barline? IOW, the first notes in any measure that have accidentals; the space between the barline and the first accidental. Right now Fin2K11 puts too much space for my tastes and it adds up measure to measure as I do layout. I do seem to remember there was a global setting somewhere to adjust this. But I can't seem to find. Or, was I just dreaming? TIA. J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Groups (Fin11+)
Jari, Your site says this plugin is for Finale 2012 and later. Is this info correct? J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Feb 15, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Jari Williamsson wrote: > On 2012-02-15 18:16, Robert Patterson wrote: >> Great. I don't see said plugin. Is it one of yours, or does it come with >> Finale? > > "JW Split Groups", available on the tips site. (Btw, it was not as > trivial as I first thought it was to write, since Finale now do some > hidden stuff to keep the number of groups at a minimum at all times. > That's one reason why the hidden text is added.) > > > Best regards, > > Jari Williamsson > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] {Spam} Re: Shape Designer quandry
Thank you John. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Feb 10, 2012, at 6:13 PM, John Blane wrote: > "Select Font" is available in the Shape Designer menu, but not the Text Menu. > > On Feb 10, 2012, at 6:01 PM, J D Thomas wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> I'm coming from Finale Mac 2007 to 2011 and I cannot get any access to the >> font menu when in Shape Designer. It's always greyed out. I used to be >> able to, but in 2011, no go. >> >> Did MM remove this for 2011, or am I just missing something? >> >> Thanks. >> >> J D Thomas >> ThomaStudios >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > John Blane > Blane Music Preparation > 1649 Huntington Ln. > Highland Park, IL 60035 > 847 579-9900 > 847 579-9903 fax > www.BlaneMusic.com > j...@blanemusic.com > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Shape Designer quandry
Hey all, I'm coming from Finale Mac 2007 to 2011 and I cannot get any access to the font menu when in Shape Designer. It's always greyed out. I used to be able to, but in 2011, no go. Did MM remove this for 2011, or am I just missing something? Thanks. J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dominant 7 plus 13
You nudged some areas in my gray matter Chuck. I'd forgotten how many times I've written something simple like a chord symbol and the player made it better than I expected. Grant Geismann used to that all the time during many recording sessions back in the 90s. He really spoiled us at times because he always brought something unexpected and creative to the process. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Dec 30, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: > You want a specific voicing - it's most efficient to write it out in > notation, there's less to decode. Otherwise, write a chord symbol and leave > it up to the player. Sometimes they do things better than you imagined > possible, sometimes not. That's the risk - and the thrill. And I believe > it's always been that way. Notation is never complete. > > And I disagree with the suggestion that "add 2" has voicing implications. In > my experience, it simply means a major triad with an added 2nd degree > somewhere in the voicing - anywhere except in the bass. > > Chuck > > On Dec 30, 2011, at 10:39 AM, J D Thomas wrote: > >> There are some chord symbols that try to approach a specific voicing >> scenario. Like Am7/D or C/D to avoid the conflict between the 3rd and the >> 11th. And most of the time they work pretty well. But overall, chord >> symbols are pretty inexact, leaving it up to the player to decide how to >> voice it. Obviously that can result in a mixed bag of results depending on >> the player. >> >> I've tried it both ways over the years, depending on how anal my overall >> intent was. If I really needed something specific, I spelled it out >> somehow, either via a specific albeit odd chord symbol, or I just wrote the >> voicings out. But the system can still allow a large margin of >> dissatisfaction at times, especially if you don't know the ability of the >> players involved. >> >> J D Thomas >> ThomaStudios >> >> On Dec 30, 2011, at 10:02 AM, TXSTNR POP account wrote: >> >>> I just worked on a chart in which the composer (a guitar player) wrote >>> E7(add2). I'd call that E9, but the guitar player said that he would put >>> the 9th in a top voice in my case, and an inner voice in his. I argued >>> that the chord symbol is not meant to indicate voicings, only the notes to >>> be played. In your case I suppose you could write E7(add6) if you really >>> don't want the 9th to sound, but if that's not an issue, just write E13 and >>> be done with it. >>> >>> On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:45 AM, J D Thomas wrote: >>> >>>> Is the chord supported by another tension note, like a 9th or b9? E13 for >>>> the first case, E13b9 if the 2nd. If not, is the 13th, C#, a predominant >>>> note or just a passing note? >>>> >>>> J D Thomas >>>> ThomaStudios >>>> >>>> On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:42 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Another question for the accumulated jazz wizdom of this list. I need to >>>>> indicate an E dominant 7 chord with the 6th (or if you prefer, 13th) >>>>> added. >>>>> None of the suffixes in the default list jumps out me as the right one. >>>>> What >>>>> should it be? >>>>> ___ >>>>> Finale mailing list >>>>> Finale@shsu.edu >>>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Finale mailing list >>>> Finale@shsu.edu >>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>>> >>> >>> Lon Price >>> lonpr...@txstnr.com >>> http://www.txstnr.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > Chuck Israels > 1310 NW Naito Parkway #807 > Portland, OR 97209-316 > > land line: (971) 255-1167 > cell phone: (360) 201-3434 > > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dominant 7 plus 13
There are some chord symbols that try to approach a specific voicing scenario. Like Am7/D or C/D to avoid the conflict between the 3rd and the 11th. And most of the time they work pretty well. But overall, chord symbols are pretty inexact, leaving it up to the player to decide how to voice it. Obviously that can result in a mixed bag of results depending on the player. I've tried it both ways over the years, depending on how anal my overall intent was. If I really needed something specific, I spelled it out somehow, either via a specific albeit odd chord symbol, or I just wrote the voicings out. But the system can still allow a large margin of dissatisfaction at times, especially if you don't know the ability of the players involved. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Dec 30, 2011, at 10:02 AM, TXSTNR POP account wrote: > I just worked on a chart in which the composer (a guitar player) wrote > E7(add2). I'd call that E9, but the guitar player said that he would put the > 9th in a top voice in my case, and an inner voice in his. I argued that the > chord symbol is not meant to indicate voicings, only the notes to be played. > In your case I suppose you could write E7(add6) if you really don't want the > 9th to sound, but if that's not an issue, just write E13 and be done with it. > > On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:45 AM, J D Thomas wrote: > >> Is the chord supported by another tension note, like a 9th or b9? E13 for >> the first case, E13b9 if the 2nd. If not, is the 13th, C#, a predominant >> note or just a passing note? >> >> J D Thomas >> ThomaStudios >> >> On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:42 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: >> >>> Another question for the accumulated jazz wizdom of this list. I need to >>> indicate an E dominant 7 chord with the 6th (or if you prefer, 13th) added. >>> None of the suffixes in the default list jumps out me as the right one. What >>> should it be? >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > > Lon Price > lonpr...@txstnr.com > http://www.txstnr.com/ > > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dominant 7 plus 13
Is the chord supported by another tension note, like a 9th or b9? E13 for the first case, E13b9 if the 2nd. If not, is the 13th, C#, a predominant note or just a passing note? J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:42 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: > Another question for the accumulated jazz wizdom of this list. I need to > indicate an E dominant 7 chord with the 6th (or if you prefer, 13th) added. > None of the suffixes in the default list jumps out me as the right one. What > should it be? > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hiding clefs in score view
Staff Style? J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 23, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Jan Angermüller wrote: > Is there a way of hiding extra clefs in a measure > only in score view ? The clefs are used for > cue notes on a cue note layer which should only > be shown in part view. The cue notes on the layer > can be hidden in the document options, but I didn't > find a way to hide the clefs. > > Thanks a lot for your help, > Jan > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale locks up
Finale issue: An annoying situation has been recurring with Finale 2007 as well as 2011 for me for the past several months, maybe longer. After launching the application and working for a while, the application becomes completely nonresponsive to any further edit, tool changes, everything. The only thing that does occur is clicking anywhere on the page starts playback. Clicking a 2nd time stops playback. Quitting and relaunching does nothing. Logging in and out also accomplishes zip. The only remedy is a complete restart, which is past becoming annoying. This is definitely not file-specific, and it occurred under OS X 10.5 as well as SN 10.6. And as I said, both versions of Finale, 2007 & 2011. Same exact problem. There also does not appear to be any time pattern. Sometimes it happens after a few minutes of work, and other times it could be an hour or more. Any ideas? I'm on a Mac Pro, OS X 10.6.4, 8GB RAM. J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Mac 2011 question
Back in Finale 2007, the last version I've used before 2011, it was, and I believe always has been, option-shift click to auto-paste in a selection at the point of cursor click. I know this since I've had this programmed into a Kensington mouse button for as long as I can recall. Finale v2.01, circa 1990. Anyway, now with 2011, option-shift-click brings up the filter options window as you pointed out. OK, as now designed. Option-click does work, but it adds the selection at the same point rhythmically. Not what I expected, but I did finally find this reference in the manual, and again, it's as designed currently. (Does any other Finale Mac user long for the older PDF manuals? I sure do. But, I digress…) I also found that one can now hilight and drag to specific points in the file, and obviously copy/paste works as expected. This slight change just caught me off guard. Thanks for everyone's input on this question. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jan 27, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: > On my Mac it still works that way. Opt-click pastes using the current filter > settings, while opt-sh-click leads you to the filter dialogue box first. > Maybe you have the filter settings pared down to something that doesn't copy > anything. New in recent versions (I think 2007) is that you can always select > partial measures without going to the menu first. > > If it doesn't work that way on your Mac, try rebooting the computer, then if > that doesn't solve it, try trashing preferences (make sure you trash the > right ones! It's tricky!) If that doesn't solve it, try reinstalling Finale, > then I would resort to tech support. > > Christopher > > > On Thu Jan 27, at ThursdayJan 27 2:04 PM, J D Thomas wrote: > >> In past versions of Finale, at least up thru 2007, one could hilight a >> measure or partial measure and then option-shift-click to paste it into >> another part of the file. This no longer seems to work as expected in >> Finale 2011 and the horrible online manual is no help. Did MM remove it or >> change it? >> >> J D Thomas >> ThomaStudios >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale Mac 2011 question
In past versions of Finale, at least up thru 2007, one could hilight a measure or partial measure and then option-shift-click to paste it into another part of the file. This no longer seems to work as expected in Finale 2011 and the horrible online manual is no help. Did MM remove it or change it? J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TGTools and 2011
Primarily due to the fact that my recent, required Snow Leopard upgrade has rendered Finale 2007 inoperative on my Mac Pro. It steadfastly won't allow me to register it, reinstall, or anything; read: run. And the folks at MM have been absolutely no help. I have a drive that I can still boot from Leopard, but that's becoming a royal pain, since the bulk of my work is now being done more productively in SN. On Jan 26, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: >> > So why use them? I still use Fin08, fwiw. TGTools works just fine with it. > No crashes. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TGTools and 2011
I do agree Robert. But if the plug-in set constantly crashes the application, it's not much good in its current state. And upgrades have been slow in coming. I for one would be more than willing to pay for an upgrade to this set. Your's also. They are that valuable to my work flow. But only if they work. Otherwise, their value is diminished. As for the last 3-4 Finale upgrades, they've been most underwhelming. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > Hmm. I could easily turn that on its head and say that it kind of takes the > value out of the Fin11 upgrade. It really depends which you value more. This > is not remotely a hard question for me. TGTools is worth more to me than the > last 3 or 4 upgrades combined. > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:49 PM, J D Thomas wrote: > >> One caveat, at least on Macs: some of the tools in TGTools crash Finale >> 2011 - big time. Like Remove Word Extensions, among others I can't recall >> right now. Tobias told me an update was still months away. Kind of takes >> the value out of TGTools to some extent. I'm disappointed. >> >> J D Thomas >> ThomaStudios >> >>> Il 26/01/2011 16.47, dc ha scritto: >>>> Chuck Israels écrit: >>>>> Yes, it works. >>>> >>>> Thanks, Chuck. Good news! >>>> >>>> Dennis >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Finale mailing list >>>> Finale@shsu.edu >>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TGTools and 2011
One caveat, at least on Macs: some of the tools in TGTools crash Finale 2011 - big time. Like Remove Word Extensions, among others I can't recall right now. Tobias told me an update was still months away. Kind of takes the value out of TGTools to some extent. I'm disappointed. J D Thomas ThomaStudios > Il 26/01/2011 16.47, dc ha scritto: >> Chuck Israels écrit: >>> Yes, it works. >> >> Thanks, Chuck. Good news! >> >> Dennis >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TGTools and 2011
One caveat, at least on Macs: some of the tools in TGTools crash Finale 2011 - big time. Like Remove Word Extensions, among others I can't recall right now. Tobias told me an update was still months away. Kind of takes the value out of TGTools to some extent. I'm disappointed. J D Thomas ThomaStudios > Il 26/01/2011 16.47, dc ha scritto: >> Chuck Israels écrit: >>> Yes, it works. >> >> Thanks, Chuck. Good news! >> >> Dennis >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Mac Finder question
Jari, You can toggle the Show/Find Path via the View menu in the Finder. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jan 17, 2011, at 9:13 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: > Hi Jari, > > I should also mention that you can ctrl-click on the Finder window toolbar to > customize it. There is a "Path" button available, which I don't think is not > part of the default toolbar for some reason, but is obviously extremely > helpful. > > Cheers, > > - DJA > - > WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org > > > > On 17 Jan 2011, at 12:06 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: > >> Hi Jari, >> >> 1) I think you just need to find an organizational method that works best >> for you. I find that the Search function in Open/Save dialogs is very fast, >> so I often use that rather than hunt around for the necessary folder. I also >> often click to sort by "Date Modified" in Open/Save to put the most recent >> stuff up top. The Apple menu also has "Recent Items" (Applications, >> Documents, and Servers) which I find very helpful. >> >> 2) Yes -- cmd-up arrow. Check out the Go menu in the Finder, there are lots >> of navigation shortcuts! >> >> 3) The old OS 9 WindowShade function was replaced with "Minimize to Dock" >> (shortcut: cmd-M). >> >> Cheers, >> >> - DJA >> - >> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org >> >> >> >> On 17 Jan 2011, at 11:34 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: >> >>> 3 questions: >>> >>> 1. How do I manage many Finder folders in the best way? I quickly end up >>> with too many folders that I can't navigate between too well. >>> 2. Is there a keyboard shortcut to move to the parent view in a Finder >>> folder window? >>> 3. In Mac OS9 there was a UI feature to just display the caption bar of the >>> windows. Is there any equivalent on OSX? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Jari Williamsson >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New plug-in: JW Fermata Checker
I hope you get your new iMac unpacked and up and running soon Jari. Us Mac folks are starting to feel a tad unappreciated here. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: > Hello! > > A new (Windows) plug-in is now available, called "JW Fermata Checker". > > It's a diagnostic tool to verify that all parts have fermatas in the fermata > measures. Checks for articulation and expression fermatas in the following > fonts: Maestro, Maestro Wide, EngraverFontSet, Jazz, Broadway Copyist, > Articulations (by Bill Duncan). For Finale 2009 and above. > > Download from the Finale tips site: > www.finaletips.nu > > "Downloads" section, "Plug-ins for Windows" subsection. > > > Best regards, > > Jari Williamsson > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] De-authorising Finale
Finale 2007 will NOT allow the user (me) to authorize, deauthorize, install, or even run the POS application under Snow Leopard. Every time I try to launch the program, I get a dialog stating I need to authorize my copy, saving and printing are disable until I do so. Same computer, different hard drive, newer OS. I talked with a woman at MM (don't remember her name) and that was the gist of the conversation. Another stake in the heart of my relationship with MM and Finale. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Dec 30, 2010, at 11:10 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: > I don't know who you talked to but MakeMusic have always been happy to handle > authorization/de-authorization for all versions for me over the phone. > Authorization has nothing to do with support for previous versions. It sounds > like you were talking to someone who did not understand what you were asking. > > Cheers, > > - DJA > - > WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org > > > > On 30 Dec 2010, at 9:13 AM, J D Thomas wrote: > >> You don't say what Finale version you're using, but I had exactly the same >> issue with FinMac 2007 after I upgraded to Snow Leopard. I called MM and >> they told me they no longer supported v2007, there was nothing they could do >> about it, and would gladly take my order for a 2011 upgrade. Yeah, right. >> >> Bottom line: you're probably out of luck unless you upgrade. Sorry. >> >> J D Thomas >> ThomaStudios >> >> On Dec 30, 2010, at 2:33 AM, David McKay wrote: >> >>> I've purchased a new computer and need to de-authorise finale on the old >>> one. >>> >>> If I simply open the program the normal way, it sends me away with a tick in >>> my ear and sends I must "run as administrator" if I wish to de-authorise. >>> >>> However, if I attempt to do this by clicking on the icon on the desktop, >>> nothing happens. >>> >>> If I go to the program file in its folder and click "Run as administrator" >>> the program begins to load but hangs. >>> >>> I think I figured out a solution previously, but I've forgotten what it was! >>> >>> Any help gratefully appreciated. >>> >>> David McKay >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] De-authorising Finale
You don't say what Finale version you're using, but I had exactly the same issue with FinMac 2007 after I upgraded to Snow Leopard. I called MM and they told me they no longer supported v2007, there was nothing they could do about it, and would gladly take my order for a 2011 upgrade. Yeah, right. Bottom line: you're probably out of luck unless you upgrade. Sorry. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Dec 30, 2010, at 2:33 AM, David McKay wrote: > I've purchased a new computer and need to de-authorise finale on the old > one. > > If I simply open the program the normal way, it sends me away with a tick in > my ear and sends I must "run as administrator" if I wish to de-authorise. > > However, if I attempt to do this by clicking on the icon on the desktop, > nothing happens. > > If I go to the program file in its folder and click "Run as administrator" > the program begins to load but hangs. > > I think I figured out a solution previously, but I've forgotten what it was! > > Any help gratefully appreciated. > > David McKay > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] New plug-in: JW Rhythm Copy
Excellent. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Dec 27, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Jari Williamsson wrote: > On 2010-12-27 17:36, J D Thomas wrote: > >> All these plugins lately are great, and I'm sure we'll all glad >> to see their development. Is there any timeline for Mac versions? > > I'm going to create a couple of more Windows plug-ins during the next few > days, then I'll unpack my new iMac and try to port them to OSX. > > > Best regards, > > Jari Williamsson > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
{Spam} Re: [Finale] New plug-in: JW Rhythm Copy
Jari, All these plugins lately are great, and I'm sure we'll all glad to see their development. Is there any timeline for Mac versions? J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jan 27, 2011, at 7:24 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: > Hello! > > I've created a new plug-in called JW Rhythm Copy. It copies a rhythm pattern > from one source region (layer 1) to a destination region (any layers and any > number of staves). The pitches are kept in the destination region. If the > source contains articulations, these are copied to the destination. > > This plug-in is quite a productivity booster IMO and can be used for many > different tasks. Download from the Finale Tips Site (Downloads section - > plug-ins for Windows) if you need it. For Finale/Windows 2010 and later. > > http://www.finaletips.nu/ > > There's also a PDF manual with some examples there for download. Please take > a look at it, it shows some advanced use of the plug-in. > > > Best regards, > > Jari Williamsson > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
