Re: Window-Eyes and latest Windows Insider build

[net bat via Talk]

have you rebooted the computer since you did the setup? it doesn't install the 
video drivers until you do.
i don't know if the demo has the emergency removal tool. it is on the full 
release on the installation cd if someone has it.
but you would have to run it with narrator running and it won't  announce 
anything until it has finished and it says window eyes has been completely 
removed.


-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 3:41 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: joseph.nor...@gmail.com
Subject: Window-Eyes and latest Windows Insider build

Just installed WE 9.5.4 demo on Windows 10 Version 2004 (OS Build
21277.1000).  This is the latest insider build.



Install went smoothly, but, a few seconds after first run, in addition to
the setup wizard, I got this:



A problem has been detected that could potentially cause

Window-Eyes to behave inefficiently. Sending information about this

problem is strongly recommended so that the issue can be

addressed. Do you want to send information about this problem

now? If you choose Yes, a report will be sent to Ai Squared support

technicians for investigation. If you choose No, no information will be

sent. If you choose Cancel, you will not be prompted again for this

version of Window-Eyes.

Yes No Cancel



Just for the heck of it, I said "Yes", but got an e-mail telling me about
JAWS 18-you know how long that has been in place.  I wasn't even expecting
that, because most of GW's Web site is gone.  It's gutted, almost like my
house was after the fire in 2007.



No other anomalies, other than what you all probably know about already.



But, it's still chugging along.  Still seems to work under latest Edge, and
need to put Chrome back in here.



I have to do almost a complete wipe of the HD to re-install the demo, so
going to re-install my essential programs.



My system stays in a state of flux anyway, so no big deal.



Cheers!

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Re: copying and pasting

[net bat via Talk]

i don't quite get what you are trying to do.
like with wlm and a link to a web page.
i can use either methosd.
or i can open a context menu with shift f10 and use copy shortcut. then paste 
it into the browser. all 3 ways work for me.



-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 9:21 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Pamela Dominguez
Subject: Re: copying and pasting

Do I use that when copying a url to put into a browser?  Because that's when
I was having trouble copying and pasting.  The rest of the time, I was able
to use the old copy and paste, like if I was moving files and stuff.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 11:56 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: copying and pasting

press f8 at the beginning of the text and f8 on the end of the text you want
to
copy.

-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 8:49 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Pamela Dominguez
Subject: copying and pasting

I know how to do the regular copy and paste, but I remember that in the last
window eyes, they changed it.  I have some questions.  It seems that the new
one worked in certain instances, and that you used the regular copy and
paste,
meaning the control c and control v, the rest of the time.  When I go to
copy
email addresses, do I use the new one or the old one, and how do I use the
new
one?  I don’t remember the key strokes for that.  Thanks for anybody’s help.
Pam.

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Re: copying and pasting

[net bat via Talk]

press f8 at the beginning of the text and f8 on the end of the text you want to 
copy.


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 8:49 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Pamela Dominguez
Subject: copying and pasting

I know how to do the regular copy and paste, but I remember that in the last 
window eyes, they changed it.  I have some questions.  It seems that the new 
one worked in certain instances, and that you used the regular copy and paste, 
meaning the control c and control v, the rest of the time.  When I go to copy 
email addresses, do I use the new one or the old one, and how do I use the new 
one?  I don’t remember the key strokes for that.  Thanks for anybody’s help. 
Pam.


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Re: email

[net bat via Talk]

its there in programs and features in
windows essentuals
click on that  to start an uninstall. wlm will be there in the list. there you 
can do a repair or uninstall.


-Original Message- 
From: peter Chin via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 3:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Re: email

Hello all,

Thanks very much for all your help. Just for your info, I did think of
uninstalling and reinstalling Wlm but, unfortunately I couldn't find where
to uninstall it.
WLM is not listed in the control panel's Default Programs nor in Program and
features. I also cannot find it in the list of apps.

David did mention that my computer may have caught the 'flu. Well, I don't
know about that but I certainly
have caught the flu myself which is why I am in no mood at this time to mess
around with the computer. Most of the problems I am having seem to be
connected with apps which cannot be installed properly, like the Word
Navigation app. When I tried to add them,  a message pops up saying that the
app is "Not Validated" or something like that.

I do use the register cleaner in my Ccleaner from time to time. In my
Windows XP box, I have a  program called Regscrub which I found very
helpful, but apparently, that program has not been updated for Windows 7-10.
It also does not give me the option of backing up my register in case
something should go wrong during cleaning.

Never mind. I think I can live with my computer the way it is for now.

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Re: email

[net bat via Talk]

have you tried re installing the wlm app package? or maybe doing a wlm system 
repair?
the repair is done in the program and features list. look for the essentuals 
program. start a uninstall. it will open a dialog with options to uninstall or 
repair all the essentuals programs that ar installed.



-Original Message- 
From: peter Chin via Talk

Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 6:18 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: email

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I get a

script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four choices:

ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the last

option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function

properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.


I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who

understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script

which is supposed to be re-edited.



' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships with

this package.

Option Explicit


Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"+AFw-WindowsLiveMail.xml"

Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"+AFw-WindowsLiveMail.ini"

Dim myStrings : Set myStrings = Strings(myXMLFile)

Dim myScriptUpdateURL : myScriptUpdateURL =

"
http://www.gwmicro.com/scripts/windows_live_mail/xml
"

Dim checkedForUpdates : checkedForUpdates = False

Dim errorReportingEnabled : errorReportingEnabled = False

Dim SO_StandardHelpDialog : Set SO_StandardHelpDialog = Nothing

Dim SO_CheckForUpdate : Set SO_CheckForUpdate = Nothing

Dim SO_ErrorReporting : Set SO_ErrorReporting = Nothing

Dim fsObj : Set fsObj = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")


Dim messageWindow : Set messageWindow = Nothing

Dim setFileActiveEvent : setFileActiveEvent = 0

Dim lastSpoken : lastSpoken = ""

Dim blockedFocusEvent : Set blockedFocusEvent = Nothing

Dim msaaFocusEvent : msaaFocusEvent = 0

Dim myMSAAEventSource : Set myMSAAEventSource = Nothing

Dim contactHwnd : contactHwnd = 0

Dim fieldDataEvent : fieldDataEvent = 0


Dim myMoveMessageHotkey : Set myMoveMessageHotkey = Nothing

Dim myKeyDownEvent : myKeyDownEvent = 0

Dim keyProcessedDownEventForBraille : keyProcessedDownEventForBraille = 0

Dim myBrailleObj : Set myBrailleObj = Nothing

Dim firstLetterNavStr : firstLetterNavStr = ""

Dim keyPressTimer : keyPressTimer = 0


Const TIMER_AUTOCOMPLETE = 1000

Const GRAPHIC_PREFIX = "GRAPHIC_"


Class MessageWindowClass

   Private toField

   Private autoCompleteSelected

   Private myMSAAEventSource

   Private autoCompleteEntries

   Private myHotkeys

   Private messageWindow

   Private msaaEvents

   Private timers

   Private startTimerProxy

   Private hotkeyProxy

   Private msaaEventProxy


   Public Sub Class_Initialize()


   ' Begin

   Set toField = Nothing

   Set autoCompleteSelected = Nothing

   Set myMSAAEventSource = MSAAEventSource

   Set autoCompleteEntries = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set myHotkeys = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set msaaEvents = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set timers = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set startTimerProxy = (New SingleParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,

"TimerProc")

   Set hotkeyProxy = (New DualParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,

"HotkeyProc")

   Set msaaEventProxy = (New DualParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,

"MSAAProc")

   End Sub


   Public Function Init(wObj, newMessage)

   ' Begin

   Set messageWindow = wObj

   RegisterHotkeys wObj

   ' We only need to hook events for new messages

   myMSAAEventSource.Window = messageWindow

   If newMessage Then

   msaaEvents(msaaEvents.Count +- 1) =

ConnectEventWithParameter(myMSAAEventSource, "OnObjectFocus",

msaaEventProxy, event_OBJECT_FOCUS)

   msaaEvents(msaaEvents.Count +- 1) =

ConnectEventWithParameter(myMSAAEventSource, "OnObjectStateChange",

msaaEventProxy, event_OBJECT_STATECHANGE)

   Else

   msaaEvents(msaaEvents.Count +- 1) =

ConnectEventWithParameter(myMSAAEventSource, "OnObjectReorder",

msaaEventProxy, event_OBJECT_REORDER)

   End If

   Set Init = Me

   End Function


   Private Sub RegisterHotkeys(wObj)

   Dim i


   ' Begin

   For i = 1 to 7

   Set myHotkeys("myAlt" & i & "HotKey") =

Keyboard.RegisterHotkey("Alt-" & i, hotkeyProxy, wObj, i, True)

   Next

   End Sub


   Public Sub HotkeyProc(hotkeyID, firstPress)

   Dim accObj, noteWindow, searchStr, result, location, speakStr, match


   ' Begin

  

Re: email

[net bat via Talk]

the biggest risk is the user.
clicking on links in the message and opening attachments. opening auvious spam 
mail etc.
i don't know where to download the off line installation for wlm. but this 
should install without microsofts permission. grin.
as far as google they want you to think that every email client is a security 
risk except there own products.
you have to log into your google account and go to your security settings and 
check the options to allow unsecure programs before you can send and recieve 
google mail. google will block you if you don't do this.

this applies to wlm,thunderbird and severl versions of outlook.


-Original Message- 
From: tony c via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 12:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: tony c
Subject: RE: email

I have a gmail account and it does work but there’s a lot of crap on the screen 
that I really don’t want to weed thru everytime I was to check my email. Lol. I 
don’t think you can download WLM anymore and it isn’t supported so there’s a 
security risk.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 1:26 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: email

I use WLM successfully with Jaws and Window-eyes both and it is free.

Lots of blind folks use gmail successfully, and it is also free.

-Bob Ringwald



-Original Message- 
From: tony c via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 10:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: tony c
Subject: RE: email

It doesn’t work well with Jaws either, It’s useable but that about all I”ll
say for it.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 11:01 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Steve Jacobson
Subject: RE: email

Tony,

I know of others using Windows Mail with some success with other screen
readers.  Have you tried it with NVDA or Narrator to see if you have the
same issues that you are having with Window-Eyes?  One of the issues that
will be faced for certain at some point is that other screen readers are
doing a lot on an on-going basis to keep up with changes to programs like
Outlook, and even Window-Eyes is still using a lot of the work done in the
past.  It is possible that some aspects of Windows Mail could work better
with the right Window-Eyes "app" but it isn't that easy to make that happen
now.

The Becky email program is not free but is only something like $35 and there
is no charge for upgrades.  You have to change a few settings and the
interface is a little different but I believe it is still working with
Window-Eyes.  That might be worth a look and they have a trial period.  You
can check out

http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm#download

but remember you have to disable the "Line Pointer" in the "edit" tab of
"general Setup and also the "Four Way Cursor" option in the Message tab of
the same dialog.  This simply means unchecking the associated check boxes.
That program is still being updated but their updates seem to be very
carefully done.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 7:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: email

Hi Darrell,

Thunderbird worked great for me until Window-Eyes stopped tracking the
cursor.
This was the second email client which did this to me.
The previous one was Windows Live Mail.
Since I switched to Office 365 Outlook, this has not happened.
I know that Office 365 costs money on an ongoing basis, but Microsoft
regularly improves its accessibility, and so staying with it gives you the
best opportunity to use accessible email software on Windows and the Apple
Mac.
I know, I say this all the time. Smile

With respect,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: November 7, 2019 8:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: email

How about thunderbird?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of tony c via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: tony c 
Subject: RE: email

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little
of anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail
program that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: joseph hudson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: email

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.


joseph hudson

Technology support for the blind or better known as Mack, IOS and Windows
support

FaceTime, iMessage, and email

jhud7...@twc.com

Telephone/what's up messenger

254-300-7667

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254-813-2461

Twitter

wlm and mouse tracking.

[net bat via Talk]

i don't know either.  i only use windows live mail to send and recieve mail. i 
have never used or need to use any of the other functions. so i have never used 
window eyes with mouse tracking on.
tracking does work when you are in the to,from,bcc,and cc fields but i found 
this quite annoying with the added verbage so i turned mouse tracking back off.



-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 8:33 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Pamela Dominguez
Subject: Re: email

Really?  I can still use window eyes with windows live mail, and I haven't
noticed a difference.  So I don't know what you mean about window eyes
stopped tracking the cursor.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 8:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: email

Hi Darrell,

Thunderbird worked great for me until Window-Eyes stopped tracking the
cursor.
This was the second email client which did this to me.
The previous one was Windows Live Mail.
Since I switched to Office 365 Outlook, this has not happened.
I know that Office 365 costs money on an ongoing basis, but Microsoft
regularly improves its accessibility, and so staying with it gives you the
best opportunity to use accessible email software on Windows and the Apple
Mac.
I know, I say this all the time. Smile

With respect,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: November 7, 2019 8:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: email

How about thunderbird?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of tony c via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: tony c 
Subject: RE: email

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little
of anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail
program that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: joseph hudson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: email

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.


joseph hudson

Technology support for the blind or better known as Mack, IOS and Windows
support

FaceTime, iMessage, and email

jhud7...@twc.com

Telephone/what's up messenger

254-300-7667

Emergency cell

254-813-2461

Twitter
https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fjosephhudson89data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc244c73ce10444eaf5f708d763e8c44e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637087723679719753sdata=jsjRGciWdVuDVRH5GINvRpgeuZ5NM%2FPTPoOhbUtys2I%3Dreserved=0

Facebook

https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fjoseph.hudson.9404data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc244c73ce10444eaf5f708d763e8c44e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637087723679719753sdata=TE8%2Fenq1ezhWNwKx62BDgNVxRZS2GWbdXLKSII5yjIQ%3Dreserved=0

On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:26 PM, tony c via Talk  
wrote:


Hi, I need a accessible email program. I’m using the one that on windows 10, 
it is useable but just barely. Lol Tony


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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Re: Here Is An Archive Of WE Apps

[net bat via Talk]

thanks, just to let you know someone is still on the list. grin

-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2019 11:46 PM
To: WE English Mailinglist
Cc: David
Subject: Here Is An Archive Of WE Apps

For those who are interested, I have uploaded an archive of WE apps.
This was drawn from the App Central, shortly before the screen reader
was discontinued. Hence, I guess it holds pretty much the newest version
of the apps. I even have included the very most up-to-date version of
the extended Dictionary.

This archive holds about 270 apps. A few apps - which were released, but
which I never wanted - has been removed. Still, it should fathom quite
much of the apps ever released for the screen reader.

Please, as I will only keep it there for a short while, make sure to
download while it still is available. After downloading, you will have a
zipped archive, holding all the WEPM installers for the individaul apps.
There even is a folder, holding some older version of certain apps. I
kept it there, in case any of it would be of interest, though I am not
sure if that really would be so.

Below, you will find the links. One starts the download directly, the
other require certain user interaction.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/345w1unqknmlu9k/WEApps.zip?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/345w1unqknmlu9k/WEApps.zip?dl=1

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Re: Help needed: Deleting multiple files

[net bat via Talk]

no, you hold down the control key and press the space bar on the files you want 
to delete. when you are through highlighting the files press the delete key.



-Original Message- 
From: Ron or Susan Denis via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 5:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Ron or Susan Denis
Subject: Re: Help needed: Deleting multiple files

when in the list of files, press control and space bar.  Hold the space bar
down, andn as you hitch files wyou want to delete, press space bar on each.
When you have marked the files you want, presss to delete them.
RD

-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 9:29 AM
To: WE English Mailinglist
Cc: David
Subject: Help needed: Deleting multiple files

Running Win7.


Listers,

I have tried figuring this out, but seem to be blank-minded today.
Anyone has some experience, please let me know.


I have a folder, holding numerous files. I open it in Windows Explorer,
and arrow my way down through the list of files.


It occurs, that I need to delete several of the files. Fine, if they had
been right next to each other, I would have used the Shift-Arrow
combinations - selecting the files to be deleted, and then press Del-key.


Thing is, the files are spread out  all over the list. I need to delete
say file number 1, 4 and 6. So exactly

how

do I go about that one. I searched the net, and it said to use the
CTRL-key, along with the mouse. If I hold the CTRL along with the Slash
or Star on the numeric keypad, simulating the Left or Right clicks on
the mouse, I only hear

"Slash"

and

"Star"

spoken, and nothing else happens.


It further claimed you alternatively should use CTRL-Space, and it would
select the file currently focused. Thing is, I tried that one too, and
it still does not work. So what is the clue?


How does one select multiple files, in Windows Explorer, with the use of
WinEyes.


To make it more complicated for you, I did try yet another approach. I
used the Insert-Del combination on the numeric keypad. It gave me the
chance to

MARK

but when I did choose to let it do so, on each of the files in question,
and then pressed Del to delete - Only the currently focused file will be
deleted. In other words, none of the other files I thought I had marked,
did actually receive any marking.


Hope all of this makes any sense. By The Way, is this kind of operation
more accessible in either of the other Screen Readers, NVDA or Jaws. If
so, what's the procedure, please?


Thanks all,


--
David

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Re: Is there another jaws email list?

[net bat via Talk]

your on the window eyes list. but there are probibly very few window eyes users 
on it anymore.
i still use window eyes most of the time and i will continue to use it as long 
as possible. it is easier to use then jaws will ever be.

***
the jaws list was started up again with another moderator last week.
maybe you can email the owners to get the info to subscribe.
jfw-users+ow...@groups.io
this one is from freedom scientific blog.
mailto:main+ow...@jfw.groups.io


-Original Message- 
From: joan buzza via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:37 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: joan buzza
Subject: Is there another jaws email list?

Since the "official" jaws email list is now dead, is there another list?  I
find these lists extremely informative.



I mus add that three days ago, I went to this window eyes list and changed
from digest to individual messages.  I have not received any messages since,
so I am wondering if I messed up.



joan

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Re: Window-Eyes and Windows 10 1903

[net bat via Talk]

many times i have to reload w e when i boot the computer. and this is with 
windows 7.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 1:00 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: tfairhu...@kc.rr.com
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes and Windows 10 1903

Thanks for your help. I will consider these options if need be. Go figure.
It is working today. When installing Window-Eyes, I haven't needed to worry
about this. I am aware that in web browsers and some software programs that
the mouse keys don't perform well, but they usually work on the desktop and
in Winamp, for example.

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 11:59 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: net bat 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes and Windows 10 1903

did you try useing the emergency removal tool. this is an option from the w
e setup disk. but you should use another synthisizer to do this. it won't
say anything until the removal is complete. about 30 seconds.
***
some of this may just be cetting changes you need to make. my mouse still
speaks when moved over the text. so does the arrow keys. this is a desktop
and
win10 and 7.
the mouse usually will not speak things like dialog boxes or pop up messages
in firefox.
it was doing this with win7 but win10 is worse.
***
look in the mouse settings turn off interuptability in  voice set it to
instent  this may be set to echo nothing.
and when mouse  passes over a word this can be set to speak word or line
etc.
i haven't found the option to make the arrow keys speak  text on the screen
yet.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2019 9:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: tfairhu...@kc.rr.com
Subject: Window-Eyes and Windows 10 1903

This happened occasionally in the past, but a reload of Window-Eyes 9.5.4
usually fixed it. However, now, it seems permanent. The mouse keys read
nothing. The corner keys read their function but nothing else. The arrow
keys read nothing at all-no text is spoken. Unless I can figure out how to
correct this, Window-Eyes 9.5.4 is rapidly becoming extinct.

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Re: Window-Eyes and Windows 10 1903

[net bat via Talk]

did you try useing the emergency removal tool. this is an option from the w e 
setup disk. but you should use another synthisizer to do this. it won't say 
anything until the removal is complete. about 30 seconds.

***
some of this may just be cetting changes you need to make. my mouse still 
speaks when moved over the text. so does the arrow keys. this is a desktop and 
win10 and 7.
the mouse usually will not speak things like dialog boxes or pop up messages in 
firefox.

it was doing this with win7 but win10 is worse.
***
look in the mouse settings turn off interuptability
in  voice set it to instent  this may be set to echo nothing.
and when mouse  passes over a word this can be set to speak word or line etc.
i haven't found the option to make the arrow keys speak  text on the screen 
yet.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2019 9:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: tfairhu...@kc.rr.com
Subject: Window-Eyes and Windows 10 1903

This happened occasionally in the past, but a reload of Window-Eyes 9.5.4
usually fixed it. However, now, it seems permanent. The mouse keys read
nothing. The corner keys read their function but nothing else. The arrow
keys read nothing at all-no text is spoken. Unless I can figure out how to
correct this, Window-Eyes 9.5.4 is rapidly becoming extinct.

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Re: Fix for Window-Eyes

[net bat via Talk]

you would also loose the option in windows enhanced to boot w e in safe mode.

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2019 12:19 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: Fix for Window-Eyes

Hi everyone,

For those who are having issues getting Window-Eyes to load at all, or perhaps 
to load without throwing an error, I think I have a fix.
I do believe that three apps are causing problems and should be disabled in the 
App Manager.

These are:

Eloquence fix
diagnostics
windows enhance

If you cannot get Window-Eyes to load at all, you can get it to load by 
pressing the normal hot key to load it, that is, Ctrl-Alt-W, and then quickly 
press and hold down the left shift key, not the right one, but the left one.
This loads Window-Eyes with apps off, and you can then proceed to set app 
execution to manual in the apps menu.
Once you do this, you can go to the app manager, find the above apps, and 
disable them.
After this, you can set app execution to on again, and Window-Eyes should be 
restored to proper operation.
The one functionality of the Windows enhance app which you will miss is the 
enhanced system tray, where the app would fill the system tray with all the 
notification area icons it could find.
However,you can still manually turn on icons in Windows settings, like you have 
to do with other screen readers.

I hope this helps many of you having troubles.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

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Re: Windows Update 1903

[net bat via Talk]

sorry, your right.
when i upgraded i only had version 9.0 full installation disk.
and after i upgraded with window eyes still installed and booted up windows 10 
went into a endless loop and never got to the desktop.

luckily i did this with a backup removable drive.
i still had windows 7 on the master drive.
i downloaded a full w e 9.2 setup and installed it on the windows 7 drive. then 
reclone back to the second drive and reinstalled windows 10. it worked that 
time


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 9:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Windows Update 1903

Netbat,

Actually, that is not quite correct.
It is not necessary to uninstall Window-Eyes if you are upgrading a Windows 7 
machine to Windows 10.

Rather, you can leave Window-Eyes installed.
After the upgrade, You must reinstall Window-Eyes in order to upgrade the audio 
driver.
Leaving Window-Eyes installed allows you to preserve your Window-Eyes settings 
after upgrading to Windows 10 and then reinstalling Window-Eyes.


Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of net bat via Talk

Sent: August 3, 2019 12:24 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: net bat 
Subject: Re: Windows Update 1903

no.
this only applies if you are upgrading from windows 7 to 10.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 9:18 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: tfairhu...@kc.rr.com
Subject: Windows Update 1903

I am upgrading Windows 10 for the first time. I currently have Windows 10 1809. 
I am being asked to upgrade to version 1903. I have Window-Eyes 9.5.4 on my PC. 
I want to keep my current programs and settings. I have heard that I must 
uninstall Window-Eyes first. Is this true? I also currently have JAWS

2019  on my PC.

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Re: Windows Update 1903

[net bat via Talk]

no.
this only applies if you are upgrading from windows 7 to 10.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 9:18 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: tfairhu...@kc.rr.com
Subject: Windows Update 1903

I am upgrading Windows 10 for the first time. I currently have Windows 10
1809. I am being asked to upgrade to version 1903. I have Window-Eyes 9.5.4
on my PC. I want to keep my current programs and settings. I have heard that
I must uninstall Window-Eyes first. Is this true? I also currently have JAWS
2019  on my PC.

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Re: Window-eyes enhanced

[net bat via Talk]

that takes you to the list of installed apps, weather they are running or not. 
there you can stop,  restart or uninstall each app from the w e program.


-Original Message- 
From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk

Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 6:55 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Donald L. Roberts
Subject: Re: Window-eyes enhanced

Thanks so much, Rod.  That worked! Why the process I was following
wouldn't work is something I don't purport to understand.  I was first
opening the control panel, then left arrowing to apps amd [ressing
enter, then down arrowing to app management, down arrowing through the
various apps until I came to Windows enhanced, at which point I hit
enter which kicked me out of the control panel. Go figure!


Don Roberts


On 7/22/2019 2:28 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Don,

Starting fresh, you would open the WE control panel using Ctrl-backslash.
Pressing Alt-A should open the Apps menu.
Pressing up arrow should bring you to the bottom of the Apps menu, which is 
ideal since the items on the menu are sorted alphabetically, and so Windows 
Enhanced would be at or near the bottom.
In fact, on my Apps menu it is the last entry on the menu, and so, at this 
point, it should be highlighted on your menu too.
If not, then either the Windows Enhanced app is not running or is not 
installed.
In that case, I would say the easiest solution is to find the Windows 
Enhanced app package and reinstall it.


Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Donald L. Roberts via Talk

Sent: July 22, 2019 5:11 PM
To: /window-eyes 
Cc: Donald L. Roberts 
Subject: Window-eyes enhanced

Last week, I inquired how to get to the various options within the 
window-eyes enhanced app. I saw a message from Butch suggesting I go to the 
dropdown menu. Another respondent suggested I press right arrow after 
highlighting the app.



Unfortunately, neither of these options worked on my system. So I find myself 
wondering if I have a problem as I am running Windows 10, 1809, 17767.615.



Ideas please.


Don Roberts


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Re: window-eyes in safe mode

[net bat via Talk]

when in the w e control panel open the apps tab notice that all of the apps in 
the list say they have a pull down.
when you find the windows enhanced it will say pull down. right arrow on it and 
the sub menus will open. one is toast booloons and run in safe mode. pressenter 
on run in safe mode to check it. the menu will close. if you want to check it 
to make sure its been selected open it again and it will say run in safe mode 
will say it has been checked.
even so it also depends on what sound card you are useing. my motherboard has a 
realtek sound card built in and it does work in safe mode and windows 7. i 
don't know about win 10. the safe mode for win10 is useless as far as i am 
concerned.

how do you boot into safe mode if win10 will not boot? wake up microsoft.
f8 with win10 is disabled. there is a way to re activate the f8 startup keys 
but it doesn't allways work and you need a usb headphone or speakers to get the 
narrator speech to work.


-Original Message- 
From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk

Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 3:12 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Donald L. Roberts
Subject: Re: window-eyes in safe mode

Please pardon a stupid question. I do have windows enhanced on my
Windows 10 system. In Netbat's message, he refers to a dropdown list.
Specifically, where do I find this dropdown list? The only list I see is
the list of installed apps.


Thanks.


Don Roberts


On 7/19/2019 6:27 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

what windows version?
first you have to  look in the w e control panel in the apps tab. arrow up 
once to get to the windows enhanced. if you have it in the list open the drop 
down menu and check run in safe mode.


if windows 7 you press f8 while its booting. then arrow down once and press 
enter. there is no speech for these menus.
windows 10 you have to find the option to boot in safe mode from the windows 
settings somewher. and reboot. after you uninstall the program you have to go 
back to the settings to turn off the boot in safe mode and reboot.

-Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 4:57 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: window-eyes in safe mode

I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed
avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it.  I was thinking there was
a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there. Is it f 7
or f 8, I don't recall.  Any help appreciated.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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Re: window-eyes in safe mode

[net bat via Talk]

what windows version?
first you have to  look in the w e control panel in the apps tab. arrow up once 
to get to the windows enhanced. if you have it in the list open the drop down 
menu and check run in safe mode.


if windows 7 you press f8 while its booting. then arrow down once and press 
enter. there is no speech for these menus.
windows 10 you have to find the option to boot in safe mode from the windows 
settings somewher. and reboot. after you uninstall the program you have to go 
back to the settings to turn off the boot in safe mode and reboot.
-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 4:57 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: window-eyes in safe mode

I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed
avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it.  I was thinking there was
a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there.  Is it f 7
or f 8, I don't recall.  Any help appreciated.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
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Wallace, ks.


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Re: set file updates on windows 10

[net bat via Talk]

the update outdated is used to convert  incompatible versions of set files to 
the newest format. not to download updated set files.
the gw server has been shutdown so the get app program won't update the apps. 
it says there are no apps installed.
but i was able to use the add remove apps and in there is the option to check 
for updates and this worked and i got 2 apps updated. so the availible updates 
message is gone for now.

thanks



-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 3:31 AM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: set file updates on windows 10

I have no idea why you'd get such a notification. About the only thing
you can do is open the Window-Eyes control panel, Alt+F File, arrow up
twice to Update outdated settings, and press enter.
Otherwise, perhaps someone has a clean collection of all the latest set
files.

Good luck,
Tom


On 7/5/2019 2:29 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

how can i update the set files for w e 9.5 on windows 10?
i am not getting the notification from w e but from the windows notification 
area.
the only choice i get is to save the notification. i don't see that 
notification in the messages list after i save it so i can't do anything with 
it.
i have windows set to keep the notifications on the screen for 2 minutes. 
this doesn't help.

thanks.

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Re: just checking program

[net bat via Talk]

i think you downloaded the wrong program.
it only costs $14 to register just checking. anyway it is not accessible with 
jaws, w e or nvda.


-Original Message- 
From: PaPaC. via Talk

Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 7:01 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: PaPaC.
Subject: Re: just checking program

thanks I tried it but u have to pay 99$99 per uyearYear
I will try it out

On 6/29/19, BK via Talk  wrote:

There is no link to download the older versions, but if you want to
download version 4, you can use the link below.

https://justapps.com/download-checkbook-software-windows.html

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Re: just checking program

[net bat via Talk]

i tried it. it is not usable with any screen reader anymore.
jaws,we or nvda will  not work with it. it doesn't even tell you whech edit box 
you are in when you enter the the info
i couldn't even use the import wizard to import the data from my version 2.4 
because the files in the list does not speak. it just says 1 of 17, 2 of 17 
etc.



-Original Message- 
From: BK via Talk

Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 6:36 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: BK
Subject: Re: just checking program

There is no link to download the older versions, but if you want to
download version 4, you can use the link below.

https://justapps.com/download-checkbook-software-windows.html

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Re: just checking program

[net bat via Talk]

its still availible. but it is version 4 for windows 7 to 10
so i don't know if it is still accessible.
i still use version 2.24
the demo allows 20 transactions
and costs $14 to buy.
https://justapps.com/download-checkbook-software-windows.html
this is there web page and does not have any adds that will install without you 
knowing about it.


-Original Message- 
From: BK via Talk

Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 7:09 PM
To: gw micro
Cc: BK
Subject: just checking program

Hello, GW Micro used to recommend a small program called, just checking.
Does anyone know the name of the company that made that program, or its
web address? I couldn't find it online. Thanks.

Butch

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Re: Installing Win10

[net bat via Talk]

you also have to have version 9.2 or later or it will not install again.

-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 12:03 PM
To: Carol and Roger via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: Installing Win10

If you do upgrade, be sure and uninstall window-eyes.  I did two systems
with microsoft disability help desk and it went into a loop with
window-eyes installed and no way to get out of it without blowing the
entire drive away.  The second system, I uninstalled windoweyes, did the
upgrade from seven, and then reinstalled window-eyes.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 20 Jun
2019, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

My suggestion would be to check with the people at the Microsoft 
accessibility desk.  The reason I suggest this is that my Windows 7 computer 
was not compatible with the upgrade.  It was a Depp PC and both Microsoft and 
Dell said not to upgrade as all that would happen would be that my PC would 
be in a permanent loop.  It might be worth talking with Microsoft for help. 
Their number is (800) 936-5900.


Carol


On 6/20/2019 2:07 PM, David via Talk wrote:

 To the tech guys on this list,

 In about 6 months Microsoft will end the support for Win7. My Good old
 working-horse of a computer might then be retired to make it for a
 backup system.

 I do have a computer stored away in a closet, which has a broken version
 of Win8.1 on it. That is, it does not start up, only presents some kind
 of an error screen, informing me the Windows is not a valid version. Was
 a computer I bought second-handed, and apparently the seller was no
 honest guy. Now, I wonder if I might go for a full version of Win10, and
 simply wipe out the old hard drive on that computer, and do a totally
 clean install of Win10.

 I would be buying the Win10, through the Microsoft store, and hence get
 a downloadable of the operative system.

 Never been using Win10, and only have paid half an ear to any discussion
 on the matter. But I seem to remember something about it being possible
 for a blind to install the OS all without eyes. Is that correct, and
 does it even apply when I will be doing a clean - all from scratch -
 installation?

 Could of course go and buy a brand new computer, but they tend to be
 loaded with all kinds of bloatware, over here. And the store I saw the
 other day, offering to install a clean win10 on their new systems, asked
 a price for the windows, about 20% more than what I see it advertised in
 Microsoft Store. Would then be a better business to get the broken win8
 machine of mine going.

 Thanks for all input you can give me on the matter. I will not be doing
 my choice all at this time, but will be nice to know what to do, once
 the right time or offer comes up.



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Re: updated firefox question

[net bat via Talk]

thats jaws 2018 and 2019 and n v d a.

-Original Message- 
From: mack via Talk

Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 2:18 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: mack
Subject: updated firefox question

using win 7 64 bit.  i downloaded a portable copy of most recent
firefox, did not want to get rid of my 52.e s r version in program
files. however, w/e always causes firefox to crash. has anyone found a
work around? i have NVDA and jaws, if there is no work around. .

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Re: updated firefox question

[net bat via Talk]

firefox 52 is the last version w e will work with.  browse mode can not be 
turned on and it will crash in a few seconds after your portible version is 
loaded. jawss 18  and higher and  n v d a will work with it.


-Original Message- 
From: mack via Talk

Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 2:18 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: mack
Subject: updated firefox question

using win 7 64 bit.  i downloaded a portable copy of most recent
firefox, did not want to get rid of my 52.e s r version in program
files. however, w/e always causes firefox to crash. has anyone found a
work around? i have NVDA and jaws, if there is no work around. .

--
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Re: can't associate set file for desktop.

[net bat via Talk]

make sure all 13 menu items are showing in the w e control panel.
if there are only 7 items you will have to open the w e help pull down menu and 
checke show advanced options. then all the menu items will show.

***
if you have the same situation as i had. . . .
when you open the w e control panel and it says i squared.set
go directly to associations, current association.
it should have the ductsberry set file there . but tab to the association combo 
box  and change from none to by class and save the association. then from then 
on it should load the correct set file.


-Original Message- 
From: richard kurlander via Talk

Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 8:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: richard kurlander
Subject: Re: can't associate set file for desktop.

I have the same problem with duxbury where I want to take out the
windoweyes script since everytime I open duxbury aisquared comes up.
rod told me the same thing doesn't work. if you are awake in the us.
can you call me 7182387130At 06:19 PM 1/12/2019, you wrote:

thanks, i got it working.
i did all of this.
when w e loaded and on the desktop  the file that w e said  is associated when 
i first open the w e control panel was windowslivemail.set

but the file that was showing in current associations was explorer.set.
not windowslivemail.set. so i could not disassociate it.
i found out that even though explorer.set was shoing  in current associations 
it showed it was  set to none. once i told it to use by class and saved it. it 
is useing the explorer.set file every time now when i first load w e.



-Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 6:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: can't associate set file for desktop.

Hi Netbat,

First, ensure that Show Advanced Options is checked on the Help menu within 
the WE control panel.

Place focus on the desktop, and then open the WE control panel.
Press A to highlight the Association node within the treeview.
Press right arrow to expand the Association node, and then right arrow again 
to highlight Current Association.

Press Tab twice to place focus on the Association By combo box.
Press down arrow twice to select None.
Tab once to place focus on the Save and Associate button, and then press the 
spacebar to activate it.

Press Escape to close the WE control panel, and your task is complete.

Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of net bat via Talk

Sent: January 11, 2019 8:15 PM
To: via Talk 
Cc: net bat 
Subject: can't associate set file for desktop.

if theres anyone left. grin
i have w e 9.5?
i have a minor problem when w e first loads with windows 7.
it loads with the windows live mail set file when it gets to the desktop or
when on the desktop and i manually reload w e.
i have to open the w e control panel and close it. then the explorer set file
will become the associated set file.
when i open the w e control panel it says windowslivemail.set is loaded and is
the associated set file.
but when i get to the file  associations menu it says explorer is the loaded
set file and this is the one associated.
i can disassociate this and it will use default.set and mone. but w e still
loads with the windowslivemail.set file every time i boot to the desktop or
reload w e after i am on the desktop.
i can't disassociate the windowslivemail and start over.
thanks if there is anyone out there.

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Re: can't associate set file for desktop.

[net bat via Talk]

thanks, i got it working.
i did all of this.
when w e loaded and on the desktop  the file that w e said  is associated when 
i first open the w e control panel was windowslivemail.set

but the file that was showing in current associations was explorer.set.
not windowslivemail.set. so i could not disassociate it.
i found out that even though explorer.set was shoing  in current associations 
it showed it was  set to none. once i told it to use by class and saved it. it 
is useing the explorer.set file every time now when i first load w e.



-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 6:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: can't associate set file for desktop.

Hi Netbat,

First, ensure that Show Advanced Options is checked on the Help menu within the 
WE control panel.

Place focus on the desktop, and then open the WE control panel.
Press A to highlight the Association node within the treeview.
Press right arrow to expand the Association node, and then right arrow again to 
highlight Current Association.

Press Tab twice to place focus on the Association By combo box.
Press down arrow twice to select None.
Tab once to place focus on the Save and Associate button, and then press the 
spacebar to activate it.

Press Escape to close the WE control panel, and your task is complete.

Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of net bat via Talk

Sent: January 11, 2019 8:15 PM
To: via Talk 
Cc: net bat 
Subject: can't associate set file for desktop.

if theres anyone left. grin
i have w e 9.5?
i have a minor problem when w e first loads with windows 7.
it loads with the windows live mail set file when it gets to the desktop or
when on the desktop and i manually reload w e.
i have to open the w e control panel and close it. then the explorer set file
will become the associated set file.
when i open the w e control panel it says windowslivemail.set is loaded and is
the associated set file.
but when i get to the file  associations menu it says explorer is the loaded
set file and this is the one associated.
i can disassociate this and it will use default.set and mone. but w e still
loads with the windowslivemail.set file every time i boot to the desktop or
reload w e after i am on the desktop.
i can't disassociate the windowslivemail and start over.
thanks if there is anyone out there.

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can't associate set file for desktop.

[net bat via Talk]

if theres anyone left. grin
i have w e 9.5?
i have a minor problem when w e first loads with windows 7.
it loads with the windows live mail set file when it gets to the desktop or 
when on the desktop and i manually reload w e.
i have to open the w e control panel and close it. then the explorer set file 
will become the associated set file.
when i open the w e control panel it says windowslivemail.set is loaded and is 
the associated set file.
but when i get to the file  associations menu it says explorer is the loaded 
set file and this is the one associated.
i can disassociate this and it will use default.set and mone. but w e still 
loads with the windowslivemail.set file every time i boot to the desktop or 
reload w e after i am on the desktop.

i can't disassociate the windowslivemail and start over.
thanks if there is anyone out there.

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Re: Word Advanced Features

[net bat via Talk]

in some instences the app will not run until the associated program is also 
running.

with other apps they will run all the time.
is this the only app that is not running? or do all of them say not running?
check that the app status is turned on.




-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:43 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tom Fairhurst
Subject: Word Advanced Features

If any of you are still out there, I recently discovered that my Word Advanced 
Features app is not working. I found that the package is installed, but it won’t 
run. How can I fix this? Thanks.

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Re: my set files changed.

[net bat via Talk]

i don't know, i run as a standard user.
but i have to  load w e as administrator when a program i load requires to run 
as administrator.

but even then the time and date keys still work in this mode.
when i copied my backup w e default folder back i did this in my standard 
windows account and left the administrator account alone because it still 
works. grin.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2018 1:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: my set files changed.

Hi,

It just occurred to me what must have happened.
Somehow the All Users Profile must have become active.
You know, this is the one which is available when you run WE as Administrator 
and then you can switch to it in the Profiles node.
Unless you uninstalled the Insert-key layout app from the All Users Profile, it 
would still exist in your installation of WE, just waiting for an inadvertent 
switch to the All Users Profile.

Well, that's my two-cents worth, Canadian currency. Smile

All the best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of net bat via Talk

Sent: December 2, 2018 1:43 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: net bat 
Subject: Re: my set files changed.

i replaced my w e default folder with my backup folder and it is working again.
i always turn everything off  with a power strip when  i go to bed.  there were
a few times when the computer turned itself on, even with a complete shutdown.
at least no one can hack my computer when it is off. they can
in sleep mode if the power strip is still turned on.
no risk of the computer power supply catching on fire while i am asleep.
extending the life of the computer and the bearings in the fans. etc.



-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2018 9:47 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: my set files changed.

Jst for the fun, in all this playing around, did you try restarting your
computer? Have seen a few cases, where some behavior sticks, and once
the computer has been restarted, things work normally again. Just be
aware, I am talking about a real restart, not just going in and out of
sleeping or hibernation mode. Worth to keep in mind, should you run into
a similar case later on.


David

On 12/2/2018 2:46 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Very strange. But I'm glad you were able to get it back in line.
Regards,
Tom


On 12/2/2018 2:36 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:

i re installed the wineyes and global factory set files with no
change. then i copied my backup default folder from 2 days ago and it
is working now.
thanks.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2018 9:21 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: my set files changed.

Very strange; especially be it that you can change it and it works and
when you change it back to Insert+T it speaks the title.
Just for the heck of it I'd try turning apps off. If that doesn't work
I'd try assigning Insert+T to something else and see if it works there.
Good luck,
Tom


On 12/1/2018 10:16 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

nope, this didn't make any difference.
the time date hot keys are set to global andinsert t.
but they are doing the same thing as the control shift t keys for
program titles.
i did find out if i change the time and date hot keys to other keys
it will work and when i oput it back to insert t it speaks the
program title again. there were no warnings that another hot key was
assigned when i put it back.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2018 6:47 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: my set files changed.

Check the Keyboard > Layouts and make sure it's set to Window-Eyes
defaults. There were also some JAWS and I think other keyboard layouts
included in a script with hot keys to turn them on, which I did exactly
once by accident before uninstalling those scripts.
This is why I uninstall all scripts I'm never going to use.
Hth,
Tom


On 12/1/2018 9:17 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

this is a weerrd one.
w e the last version.
all of a sudden, when i press insert t to get the time it is saying
default
normal instead.
i didn't make any changes to any of the set files.
it is doing this when running any program.
in the hot keys/miscelanious menu it is defined as insert t. figure
this out.
rebooting the computer did not make any difference. i hope i don't
have to
reset the factory set files.
thanks
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Re: my set files changed.

[net bat via Talk]

i replaced my w e default folder with my backup folder and it is working again.
i always turn everything off  with a power strip when  i go to bed.  there were 
a few times when the computer turned itself on, even with a complete shutdown.

at least no one can hack my computer when it is off. they can
in sleep mode if the power strip is still turned on.
no risk of the computer power supply catching on fire while i am asleep. 
extending the life of the computer and the bearings in the fans. etc.




-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2018 9:47 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: my set files changed.

Jst for the fun, in all this playing around, did you try restarting your
computer? Have seen a few cases, where some behavior sticks, and once
the computer has been restarted, things work normally again. Just be
aware, I am talking about a real restart, not just going in and out of
sleeping or hibernation mode. Worth to keep in mind, should you run into
a similar case later on.


David

On 12/2/2018 2:46 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Very strange. But I'm glad you were able to get it back in line.
Regards,
Tom


On 12/2/2018 2:36 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:

i re installed the wineyes and global factory set files with no
change. then i copied my backup default folder from 2 days ago and it
is working now.
thanks.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2018 9:21 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: my set files changed.

Very strange; especially be it that you can change it and it works and
when you change it back to Insert+T it speaks the title.
Just for the heck of it I'd try turning apps off. If that doesn't work
I'd try assigning Insert+T to something else and see if it works there.
Good luck,
Tom


On 12/1/2018 10:16 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

nope, this didn't make any difference.
the time date hot keys are set to global andinsert t.
but they are doing the same thing as the control shift t keys for
program titles.
i did find out if i change the time and date hot keys to other keys
it will work and when i oput it back to insert t it speaks the
program title again. there were no warnings that another hot key was
assigned when i put it back.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2018 6:47 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: my set files changed.

Check the Keyboard > Layouts and make sure it's set to Window-Eyes
defaults. There were also some JAWS and I think other keyboard layouts
included in a script with hot keys to turn them on, which I did exactly
once by accident before uninstalling those scripts.
This is why I uninstall all scripts I'm never going to use.
Hth,
Tom


On 12/1/2018 9:17 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

this is a weerrd one.
w e the last version.
all of a sudden, when i press insert t to get the time it is saying
default
normal instead.
i didn't make any changes to any of the set files.
it is doing this when running any program.
in the hot keys/miscelanious menu it is defined as insert t. figure
this out.
rebooting the computer did not make any difference. i hope i don't
have to
reset the factory set files.
thanks
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Re: my set files changed.

[net bat via Talk]

nope, this didn't make any difference.
the time date hot keys are set to global andinsert t.
but they are doing the same thing as the control shift t keys for program 
titles.
i did find out if i change the time and date hot keys to other keys it will 
work and when i oput it back to insert t it speaks the program title again. 
there were no warnings that another hot key was assigned when i put it back.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2018 6:47 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: my set files changed.

Check the Keyboard > Layouts and make sure it's set to Window-Eyes
defaults. There were also some JAWS and I think other keyboard layouts
included in a script with hot keys to turn them on, which I did exactly
once by accident before uninstalling those scripts.
This is why I uninstall all scripts I'm never going to use.
Hth,
Tom


On 12/1/2018 9:17 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

this is a weerrd one.
w e the last version.
all of a sudden, when i press insert t to get the time it is saying default
normal instead.
i didn't make any changes to any of the set files.
it is doing this when running any program.
in the hot keys/miscelanious menu it is defined as insert t. figure this out.
rebooting the computer did not make any difference. i hope i don't have to
reset the factory set files.
thanks
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my set files changed.

[net bat via Talk]

this is a weerrd one.
w e the last version.
all of a sudden, when i press insert t to get the time it is saying default
normal instead.
i didn't make any changes to any of the set files.
it is doing this when running any program.
in the hot keys/miscelanious menu it is defined as insert t. figure this out.
rebooting the computer did not make any difference. i hope i don't have to
reset the factory set files.
thanks 


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Re: Question re window-eyes set files

[net bat via Talk]

the set file for the desktop and  in my pc should be explorer.set. this is a 
default set file installed with w e.
also i don't know if this app is responsible for how the folder lists show. but 
see if the microsoft app is running.



-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 3:59 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Question re window-eyes set files

Hi Don,

I doff my chapeau to the insights already offered by Netbat and Tom, and I just 
wanted to say that on my machine, there is no set file association for either 
the desktop, any folder list view, nor This PC.
When I go to the Window-Eyes control panel when is either of these three 
places, the active set file is default.set and it says "associated: None."
Also, I've seen the problem you describe fix itself, and so there is hope. 
Smile


All the best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Donald Roberts via Talk

Sent: November 26, 2018 10:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Donald Roberts 
Subject: Question re window-eyes set files

I have two Windows 10 desktops running version 1803, and of course my screen 
reader of choice is Window-eyes 9.5.4.


On my Dell desktop, Window-eyes announces the names of the folders and drives 
in this pc just fine. I opted to do a clean install of Windows 10 and wipe the 
drive on my HP desktop. After installing Window-eyes, the drive and folder 
names are not stated.  All I hear for each is "group status." However, if I hit 
enter on any of these, I hear the appropriate content although the drive and 
folder names are not verbalized. Conversely, if I load Jaws 18, drive and 
folder names are verbalized correctly.


This makes me wonder whether this is a set file issue, particularly because 
those things are properly verbalized on my Dell machine which as stated above 
is running W E 9.5.4.


If someone can shed some light on this problem and the appropriate fix, I would 
be most grateful.



Don Roberts
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Re: Question re window-eyes set files

[net bat via Talk]

i would look at the folder options in the windows views options. i don't know 
where to go for this with windows 10.

there are  options to group folders by name and this can be turned off.

-Original Message- 
From: Donald Roberts via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 7:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Donald Roberts
Subject: Question re window-eyes set files

I have two Windows 10 desktops running version 1803, and of course my screen 
reader of choice is Window-eyes 9.5.4.


On my Dell desktop, Window-eyes announces the names of the folders and drives 
in this pc just fine. I opted to do a clean install of Windows 10 and wipe the 
drive on my HP desktop. After installing Window-eyes, the drive and folder 
names are not stated.  All I hear for each is "group status." However, if I hit 
enter on any of these, I hear the appropriate content although the drive and 
folder names are not verbalized. Conversely, if I load Jaws 18, drive and 
folder names are verbalized correctly.


This makes me wonder whether this is a set file issue, particularly because 
those things are properly verbalized on my Dell machine which as stated above 
is running W E 9.5.4.


If someone can shed some light on this problem and the appropriate fix, I would 
be most grateful.



Don Roberts
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Re: Question About WLM

[net bat via Talk]

as far as the windows are conserned they usually do not stay maximized. once 
you reload wlm they usually revert back to the state they were before.

***
if you can find it try re installing the wlm app. this also has the set files 
wlm uses.
a few times i had to do this because something happend to the installation and 
i had to re install it to get it working again.
-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:13 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Nope, didn't cure the problem.

Bob

.
-Original Message- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 3:28 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Try to maximize both the parent window (the mailbox listing) and then the
child window where the message is being displayed or edited. These sometimes
get set to normal and begin working after they are maximized.
Alt-spacebar for the main window, and alt-dash spacebar for the child
window, as it used to be with some of the older Windows programs.
Hope this helps.
73,


Lloyd Rasmussen, W3IUU, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 2:24 PM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About WLM

I open WLM. I can read what I write in the text of the email I am creating.
Then the 2nd email I creatE, I can't read what I write. In order to read
what I write in the text, I have to close WLM and then open it again.

Anyone know how to fix this?


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Re: w e sounds

[net bat via Talk]

go to control panel, sounds, then find the control tab for  sounds. by pass the 
sound scheme name and save as until you get to  program events.

with me window eyes sounds are the last option in the list. there are 6 sounds.
if they are un defined it will say there is none. if so this is where you will 
have to tab to browse and search for each w e sound.

they would be in c:\program files x86\gwmicro\wineyes.
they are not in the windows\media folder.
unless you know which file belongs to each event you would have to try each of 
them until the are associated to the right event.
there is a test button in the sounds program to try the sound out you are 
useing.
if you mess up you can click on cancel and the sounds will revert back to the 
way it was before you made any changes.


-Original Message- 
From: Natalie via Talk

Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:36 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Natalie
Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: w e sounds

So you find the sounds you want and then go to the program folder to
somehow create a path?  Will try it and maybe WE will tell me more.
You're right.  The sounds don't just pop back.


Natalie


On 9/13/2018 3:02 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

   its all here in the last message.
if you have ever changed your windows themes. like from windows basic to 
windows 7 it will un define the window eyes sounds.
they are in the sounds in the control panel. then tab the windows sounds. 
then find window eyes sounds. there are 6 of them.

they will be undefined. it will say none for there sounds.
but you will have to browse for the sounds they are not in the windows/media 
folder. they are in the program files x86/gwmicro/wineyes folder.



-Original Message- From: geodom--- via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:47 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: geo...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: w e sounds

I have lost most of my window eyes sounds, too, again.  How do I do this?
Pam.

-Original Message- From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:32 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: w e sounds

search for change system sounds. then tab to sound events.
use first letter navagation for w to find window eyes sounds.
they may still be there. if so you would have to set the path to the window
eyes folder where the wave files are.
there are 6 sounds.
i don't remember how to add system sounds if the w e sounds ar not there
though.



-Original Message- From: Natalie via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 4:26 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Natalie
Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

I have an unrelated WE question which you might be able to answer.  For
some reason I just lost all of the WE sounds.  Is there any way I can
retrieve them?


Natalie Johnson


On 9/12/2018 7:13 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
no, f f 52 is the last version that w e will work with. w e will crash as 
soon as you run the f f 60 version and would have to reboot the computer 
most of the time.
go into the tools menu some where and turn off updateing. i don't know where 
it is. its baried somewhere i found it once and turned it off and i am not 
being nagged anymore.




-Original Message- From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:29 AM
To: windoweyesus...@groups.io ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

I was prompted to update to Firefox ESR 60 ().

I haven't done this because I read a post about the update not working
with Window Eyes or even Jaws.

There were no comments on the GW Talk list or this list as to more than
one person having the issue.

Is it safe to update?

Thanks,
Brenda
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Re: w e sounds

[net bat via Talk]

   its all here in the last message.
if you have ever changed your windows themes. like from windows basic to 
windows 7 it will un define the window eyes sounds.
they are in the sounds in the control panel. then tab the windows sounds. then 
find window eyes sounds. there are 6 of them.

they will be undefined. it will say none for there sounds.
but you will have to browse for the sounds they are not in the windows/media 
folder. they are in the program files x86/gwmicro/wineyes folder.



-Original Message- 
From: geodom--- via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:47 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: geo...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: w e sounds

I have lost most of my window eyes sounds, too, again.  How do I do this?
Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:32 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: w e sounds

search for change system sounds. then tab to sound events.
use first letter navagation for w to find window eyes sounds.
they may still be there. if so you would have to set the path to the window
eyes folder where the wave files are.
there are 6 sounds.
i don't remember how to add system sounds if the w e sounds ar not there
though.



-Original Message- 
From: Natalie via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 4:26 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Natalie
Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

I have an unrelated WE question which you might be able to answer.  For
some reason I just lost all of the WE sounds.  Is there any way I can
retrieve them?


Natalie Johnson


On 9/12/2018 7:13 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
no, f f 52 is the last version that w e will work with. w e will crash as 
soon as you run the f f 60 version and would have to reboot the computer most 
of the time.
go into the tools menu some where and turn off updateing. i don't know where 
it is. its baried somewhere i found it once and turned it off and i am not 
being nagged anymore.




-Original Message- From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:29 AM
To: windoweyesus...@groups.io ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

I was prompted to update to Firefox ESR 60 ().

I haven't done this because I read a post about the update not working
with Window Eyes or even Jaws.

There were no comments on the GW Talk list or this list as to more than
one person having the issue.

Is it safe to update?

Thanks,
Brenda
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Re: w e sounds

[net bat via Talk]

in most cases a reinstall is not needed.
you will lose your sounds if you have changed your windows themes.
in my case the sounds were still there in the windows sounds but undefined.
i searched for change system sounds and it took me to the list of the wave 
files windows can use. find the window eyes sound and re define them.

there are 6 sounds.
but when you do you have to set the path to the sounds. they are not in the 
windows media folder where all the other windows sounds are stored.

they are in the program files x86\gwmicro\wineyes folder.



-Original Message- 
From: Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:05 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Orlando Enrique Fiol
Subject: Re: w e sounds

At 11:47 PM 9/12/2018, geodom--- via Talk wrote:

I have lost most of my window eyes sounds, too, again.  How do I do

this? Pam.

If you can reinstall Window-eyes, you'll get your sounds back.
Otherwise, I could email them to you as attachments.

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and Pedagogue
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Re: w e sounds

[net bat via Talk]

one way the sounds are turned off is when you change windows themes.

-Original Message- 
From: Natalie via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 5:42 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Natalie
Subject: Re: SPAM: w e sounds

Thanks.  Will fiddle with it but, like you, not quite sure how and if
this will work.  New idea anyway.  I wonder why they went away

 in the first place.
On 9/12/2018 8:32 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

search for change system sounds. then tab to sound events.
use first letter navagation for w to find window eyes sounds.
they may still be there. if so you would have to set the path to the window 
eyes folder where the wave files are.

there are 6 sounds.
i don't remember how to add system sounds if the w e sounds ar not there 
though.




-Original Message- From: Natalie via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 4:26 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Natalie
Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

I have an unrelated WE question which you might be able to answer.  For
some reason I just lost all of the WE sounds.  Is there any way I can
retrieve them?


Natalie Johnson


On 9/12/2018 7:13 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
no, f f 52 is the last version that w e will work with. w e will crash as 
soon as you run the f f 60 version and would have to reboot the computer 
most of the time.
go into the tools menu some where and turn off updateing. i don't know where 
it is. its baried somewhere i found it once and turned it off and i am not 
being nagged anymore.




-Original Message- From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:29 AM
To: windoweyesus...@groups.io ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

I was prompted to update to Firefox ESR 60 ().

I haven't done this because I read a post about the update not working
with Window Eyes or even Jaws.

There were no comments on the GW Talk list or this list as to more than
one person having the issue.

Is it safe to update?

Thanks,
Brenda
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Re: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

[net bat via Talk]

also check that the w e status is turned on. if it is off none of the script 
files will run.


-Original Message- 
From: Natalie via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 4:26 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Natalie
Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

I have an unrelated WE question which you might be able to answer.  For
some reason I just lost all of the WE sounds.  Is there any way I can
retrieve them?


Natalie Johnson


On 9/12/2018 7:13 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
no, f f 52 is the last version that w e will work with. w e will crash as 
soon as you run the f f 60 version and would have to reboot the computer most 
of the time.
go into the tools menu some where and turn off updateing. i don't know where 
it is. its baried somewhere i found it once and turned it off and i am not 
being nagged anymore.




-Original Message- From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:29 AM
To: windoweyesus...@groups.io ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

I was prompted to update to Firefox ESR 60 ().

I haven't done this because I read a post about the update not working
with Window Eyes or even Jaws.

There were no comments on the GW Talk list or this list as to more than
one person having the issue.

Is it safe to update?

Thanks,
Brenda
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w e sounds

[net bat via Talk]

search for change system sounds. then tab to sound events.
use first letter navagation for w to find window eyes sounds.
they may still be there. if so you would have to set the path to the window 
eyes folder where the wave files are.

there are 6 sounds.
i don't remember how to add system sounds if the w e sounds ar not there 
though.




-Original Message- 
From: Natalie via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 4:26 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Natalie
Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

I have an unrelated WE question which you might be able to answer.  For
some reason I just lost all of the WE sounds.  Is there any way I can
retrieve them?


Natalie Johnson


On 9/12/2018 7:13 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
no, f f 52 is the last version that w e will work with. w e will crash as 
soon as you run the f f 60 version and would have to reboot the computer most 
of the time.
go into the tools menu some where and turn off updateing. i don't know where 
it is. its baried somewhere i found it once and turned it off and i am not 
being nagged anymore.




-Original Message- From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:29 AM
To: windoweyesus...@groups.io ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

I was prompted to update to Firefox ESR 60 ().

I haven't done this because I read a post about the update not working
with Window Eyes or even Jaws.

There were no comments on the GW Talk list or this list as to more than
one person having the issue.

Is it safe to update?

Thanks,
Brenda
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Re: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

[net bat via Talk]

no, f f 52 is the last version that w e will work with. w e will crash as soon 
as you run the f f 60 version and would have to reboot the computer most of the 
time.
go into the tools menu some where and turn off updateing. i don't know where it 
is. its baried somewhere i found it once and turned it off and i am not being 
nagged anymore.




-Original Message- 
From: Brenda via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:29 AM
To: windoweyesus...@groups.io ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

I was prompted to update to Firefox ESR 60 ().

I haven't done this because I read a post about the update not working
with Window Eyes or even Jaws.

There were no comments on the GW Talk list or this list as to more than
one person having the issue.

Is it safe to update?

Thanks,
Brenda
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Re: Considering VoiceOver

[net bat via Talk]

no license. but how much would a new mac cost every 5 years when apple stops 
all support for the operateing system, and security upgrades.


-Original Message- 
From: Van Lant, Robin via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 1:11 PM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Van Lant, Robin
Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver

I think her point is that she won't have to pay to maintain a screen reader 
license once on a Mac platform.  I like Voiceover on my phone, but cannot bring 
myself to invest in a Mac, especially while still using Windows at work.  NVDA 
is certainly a nice option to keep the cost out of the Windows picture.




-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of net bat via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 1:30 PM
To: via Talk 
Cc: net bat 
Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver

try the free n v d a. and jaws is a lot easier to upgrade then the i phone.
you will have the same problem if you are going to use the i phone.
it has to be updated about twice per year
you need a i tunes account and computer to upgrade it.
and half the time i have to restore the phone because the upgrade failed.
you will have virtually no access to any files saved on the phone like you have
with windows.
after about 3 years apple will not give any   more upgrades for the phone.
the same with a apple mac.
it gets to the point where you will get a pop up telling you you need to get a
new computer when you try to upgrade safari. my neace hit this point last year
on her 5 year old mac.
etc. etc.



-Original Message- 
From: George Savory via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 10:57 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: George Savory
Subject: Considering VoiceOver

Listers,
Been using Win-Eyes  since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be
updated, I am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using
VoiceOver on my iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if
Jaws will ever work well with websites that use calenders; besides, I
won't have to be upgrading a screen reader  everytime there is an
upgrade
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Re: Considering VoiceOver

[net bat via Talk]

try the free n v d a. and jaws is a lot easier to upgrade then the i phone.
you will have the same problem if you are going to use the i phone.
it has to be updated about twice per year
you need a i tunes account and computer to upgrade it.
and half the time i have to restore the phone because the upgrade failed.
you will have virtually no access to any files saved on the phone like you have 
with windows.

after about 3 years apple will not give any   more upgrades for the phone.
the same with a apple mac.
it gets to the point where you will get a pop up telling you you need to get a 
new computer when you try to upgrade safari. my neace hit this point last year 
on her 5 year old mac.

etc. etc.



-Original Message- 
From: George Savory via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 10:57 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: George Savory
Subject: Considering VoiceOver

Listers,
Been using Win-Eyes  since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be
updated, I am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using
VoiceOver on my iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if
Jaws will ever work well with websites that use calenders; besides, I
won't have to be upgrading a screen reader  everytime there is an
upgrade
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Re: APP Central

[net bat via Talk]

the main page is still there.
but with firefox the app central page will generate a error report and you can 
not go any further.
with i e i do get the certificate error but can continue to the app central 
page when you egnore the error.



-Original Message- 
From: geodom--- via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 9:39 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: geo...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: APP Central

There is no more GW Micro homepage.  I went to look for it a long time ago
and couldn't find it.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 11:26 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: APP Central

Though downloading apps from App Central never required any password or
other identification, this kind of warnings should always make red
lights come on.


Either the site is just insecure, and will never be renewed, due to FS
letting WinEyes die out. Or, someone has hacked the site, and might
eventually have hacked the apps found there as well.


Sum of it all:

Stay clear. Whatever is wrong with the GWMicro homepage, all guesses
would be that you will never see them fixed. Only reason why it even
still is possible to find any such site, would be no less than a
guesswork. Likely it only shows how little FS even bothers, since they
have not even closed the server altogether, I should think. Next will be
this list, which might break without any further notice. Either because
some kind of subscribed service from the GW team will expire, or FS
remembers to pull the plug.


No, I am not trying to be negative; just trying to let you know that
likely your warning message is all perfectly right. You are warned, and
should heed that message.


How to best obtain the apps you are looking for? Give us a list, and see
if you will receive the installers for each and every of the apps you
were used to benefit from. Likely someone here, or on the other WinEyes
list, will have the installer backed up somewhere. Further, i do seem to
recall someone here on the list, recently posting a link to a Dropbox
collecdtion of the app central. Even if you could get it, keep in mind
that some apps might be outdated, or even rather sluggish under modern
usage. In such cases, you are left to contact the app developer
directly, hoping they have some updates for you.


Whether we want to or not, we will have to face the fact that WinEyes is
slowly being phased out. App Central has not been reliable for several
months, and it's final does not surprise at all. Only surprise is, how
long they let it stay oparative.


On 8/23/2018 2:11 PM, Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk wrote:

Hi All,

In a blunder of trying to create a mobile version of Win-Eyes 9.5.4, I 
re-installed the mobile copy to my desktop.  So, I re-installed the normal 
version again.  Everything is running ok, however, when I start up the 
computer, I get the app update notice.  I try to install the updates, but 
nothing happens.  I tried going to APP Central from the Win-Eyes menu and 
received the following notice.  I have not tried to go to the unsecured site.


Your connection is not private e
Attackers might be trying to steal your information from www.gwmicro.com (for 
example, passwords, messages, or credit cards).

Learn more
NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID
system information and page content Privacy policy
system information and page content
Privacy policy
BACK TO SAFETY
ADVANCED
This server could not prove that it is www.gwmicro.com; its security 
certificate expired 78 days ago. This may be caused by a misconfiguration or 
an attacker intercepting your connection. Your computer's clock is currently 
set to Thursday, August 23, 2018. Does that look right? If not, you should 
correct your system's clock and then refresh this page. Proceed to 
www.gwmicro.com (unsafe)



David Ayers
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NVDA Mobile?

[net bat via Talk]

NVDA does have a portable version.
NVDA installed you can create a portable version from the tools menu.
you do have to manually create a folder on your flash drive first and a 
internet connection because it downloads some files to the flash drive.
i think it still uses the e speak voice by default on the portable version. i 
think this would be better if you use the portible on other computers because 
NVDA would not know which microsoft voices are on each computer.


I think you might have better luck with NVDA even though it doesn't have a
mobile version in the true sense of the word.

As of today though, unless something changes after I punch the Send button
for this message, no Jaws Mobile!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: trying to run 16 bit programs in 64 bit seven

[net bat via Talk]

this probibly won't work. but give it a try.
right click on the program icon. click on properties then find the 
compatibility. there is the option to make it think it is running under another 
version of windows.

with windows 7 it can be set back all the way back to windows 95.
depending on the drivers the programs are useing it still might work.

-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 6:11 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: trying to run 16 bit programs in 64 bit seven


I decided to upgrade to an hp machine that is windows seven 64 bit.  I'm
finding that many of my favorite programs won't run as they are 16 bit
versions.  I have an old dos version of pc braille that I still like and
use and would run it under 4nt in 32 bit seven or xp command prompt with
no problems.  Wondering if anyone has any suggestions.  I did a bit of
searching and see there is a 64 bit program I think called dos box which
says will run some dos programs.  Has anyone used this and is it usable
with speech.  Does a person have to run vocal-eyes for speech?

I really don't want to give up these programs.  If I had to, would a 32
bit version of seven install on this 664 bit machine which is an hp z 220.

Thanks.

If you want you can write off list to
but...@shellworld.net

or but...@fairpoint.net which will show up as from tiny puppy.


73
Butch
WA0VJR
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Wallace, ks.


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window eyes apps?

[net bat via Talk]

maybe all of the app authors could get together and setup a web page for the 
window eyes apps so  any updates could be downloaded from one place, outside of 
the window eyes site?


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 7:43 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Weather or Not

Hi Loy,

That's okay.
A fellow lister wrote me privately and provided a link to the package for me.
Here it is on my DropBox if you would like it:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8xxcvdpcjaau2gd/weatherornot4.0.0.wepm?dl=1

Thanks,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk

Sent: June 29, 2018 10:34 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy Green 
Subject: Re: Weather or Not

That is the version that WE show as the one installed. I would be glad to share 
but I don't know where to find the app.


 - Original Message - 
 From: Rod Hutton via Talk

 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Rod Hutton
 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 10:23 AM
 Subject: RE: Weather or Not


 Hi Loy,

 If you have DropBox or some other file sharing service, and can find the 
package, would you be willing to share a link to it for me?


 Thanks,

 Rod

 Sent from Outlook for Windows

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk

 Sent: June 29, 2018 10:12 AM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
 Cc: Loy Green 
 Subject: Re: Weather or Not

 I have Weather or not 4.0 and it still works.
   - Original Message - 
   From: Rod Hutton via Talk

   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Rod Hutton
   Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 9:38 AM
   Subject: RE: Weather or Not


   Hi Carol,

   Yes, I tried it out, and it doesn't yield any weather data for some major 
U.S. cities I tried.
   I looked into the code of the app and found that it uses Wunderground for 
its weather data, and, after going to the site and exploring a bit, it seems 
like they don't share weather data freely anymore.
   So, perhaps AI Square released an update using another weather service, if 
you can find a newer version. Smile


   Thanks,

   Rod

   Sent from Outlook for Windows

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk

   Sent: June 29, 2018 8:14 AM
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
   Cc: Carol and Roger 
   Subject: Re: Weather or Not

   Hi Rod,

   Here is one version.  Let me know if it is not the latest and I will see
   if I have more on another drive.  Carol

   
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2Fmy9mho0ficpb92m%2Fweatherornot3.7.1.wepm%3Fdl%3D0=02%7C01%7C%7C8cbb077f5f284262d93008d5ddb9d547%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636658712565214984=%2FR3XkXt9AEIll9ib90UKtmMNW7mddfJWwxU%2BIrqR%2Bfk%3D=0
   On 6/29/2018 7:49 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
   > Hi,
   >
   > Would anyone happen to have the Weather or Not app package and, if so, 
could you dsend a link to it for me?

   > App Central seems to be down, probably forever.
   >
   > Many thanks,
   >
   > Rod
   >
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Re: JAWS question

[net bat via Talk]

sorry. i am talking about what i do with jaws.
so  far i have been able to use the normal windows commands to do this.
go to the first line of text you want and hold down the shift key. arrow down
to the last line of text you want
then press control c to copy to the clip board. then go to the app you want to
copy it to and press control v to paste the text.
done.

-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 8:13 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: JAWS question

And, 400 keystrokes to boot to get a simple task done; here's an example of
such task:

With Window-Eyes, selecting a long passage or even a short one involves a
press of the F8 key.  When the desired text has been selected, press F8
again and choose between copying the selected text with all formatting
retained, or simply copying to the Clipboard with Alt-C.

Now, let's do the same task using Jaws:

1.  Start with a press of Control-Windows-K to set a place marker
2.  Next, select all the text you wish to copy and pray that it selects
everything without a hitch
3.  Now, with your preferred text selected, press Insert-Space, then M
4.  One gets to know that the entire text has been selected
5.  Now, press Control-C to Copy the selected text to the Clipboard.

'Ouch, why is a simple task so complicated?  Ask Jaws and good luck if you
get an answer!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: JAWS question

[net bat via Talk]

so  far i have been able to use the normal windows commands to do this.
go to the first line of text you want and hold down the shift key. arrow down 
to the last line of text you want
then press control c to copy to the clip board. then go to the app you want to 
copy it to and press control v to paste the text.

done.

-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 8:13 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: JAWS question

And, 400 keystrokes to boot to get a simple task done; here's an example of
such task:

With Window-Eyes, selecting a long passage or even a short one involves a
press of the F8 key.  When the desired text has been selected, press F8
again and choose between copying the selected text with all formatting
retained, or simply copying to the Clipboard with Alt-C.

Now, let's do the same task using Jaws:

1.  Start with a press of Control-Windows-K to set a place marker
2.  Next, select all the text you wish to copy and pray that it selects
everything without a hitch
3.  Now, with your preferred text selected, press Insert-Space, then M
4.  One gets to know that the entire text has been selected
5.  Now, press Control-C to Copy the selected text to the Clipboard.

'Ouch, why is a simple task so complicated?  Ask Jaws and good luck if you
get an answer!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: need help with Ebay page

[net bat via Talk]

for now you can use the w e find command and search for the dollar sign to go 
to each auction then arrow back to the description and click on it to get to 
each auction.
i have done this many times to by pass the greedy sellers that are charging 
more then it would cost at a regular store.
like if you only want to pay about 20 dollars you can use a w e search like $2 
and it will only stop at auctions that are charging $20 to $29

but it will also stop at shipping charges that start with $2.


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 9:36 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: need help with Ebay page

keep this for future reference.
https://www.ebay.com/help/terms-conditions/default/ebay-users-special-access-needs?id=4658

ebay changed the programming some how for headings last week.
they did this 2 years ago too. then they put the headings for auctions back
after i told them about it.
w e does not see the headings with the searches now.
but jaws 2018 does.
i didn't try n v d a yet.
one thing you can do is after you do a search find the link  that says
something like how did we do, send feedback like i did yesterday. i told them
that i use the headings to skip to each auction. maybe ebay will put them back.
-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 7:11 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: need help with Ebay page

Hi Group,

My brother has an issue with WE and Ebay that I do not have.  My page
works properly, his does not.  When I go to a page and do a search, I
get a standard page and pressing H takes me to each heading for the
search results (once I have gotten past the typical Ebay headings.)
Let's say we do the same search.  My result is that I get 63 headings
and 42 results.  He does the exact same search and gets 15 headings and
the only way he can get to the search results is to tab through all of
the 200 links. Therefore, he has to listen to all kinds of extraneous
information like buy it now, price, shipping cost, etc.  My headings
simply go to the next item.

He is making a guess that there are three columns on his screen and the
information he wants is in the middle column, but WE will not take him
there.  Even if he does a search and finds the first result, he still
can not get to the next item by pressing H.

If anyone can give me a hand in trying to help him, this would be
greatly appreciated.  He has had this issue once before and was able to
restore the computer to a previous setting and all worked properly
again.  The other issue with this situation is that his wife, when his
screen was not working correctly the previous time, had a normal
screen.  This time, both screens are messed up and he can not find out
how to disable his anit-virus, whish I believe is AVG.  His restore says
he can not restore due to his anti-virus blocking the restore process.
Thanks for any assistance.

Carol


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Re: need help with Ebay page

[net bat via Talk]

i forgot. i am useing windows 7 , 64bit
both jaws 2018 and n v d a finds all the headings w e 9.5 does not anymore.
but i did send ebay feedback about it.
-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 7:11 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: need help with Ebay page

Hi Group,

My brother has an issue with WE and Ebay that I do not have.  My page
works properly, his does not.  When I go to a page and do a search, I
get a standard page and pressing H takes me to each heading for the
search results (once I have gotten past the typical Ebay headings.)
Let's say we do the same search.  My result is that I get 63 headings
and 42 results.  He does the exact same search and gets 15 headings and
the only way he can get to the search results is to tab through all of
the 200 links. Therefore, he has to listen to all kinds of extraneous
information like buy it now, price, shipping cost, etc.  My headings
simply go to the next item.

He is making a guess that there are three columns on his screen and the
information he wants is in the middle column, but WE will not take him
there.  Even if he does a search and finds the first result, he still
can not get to the next item by pressing H.

If anyone can give me a hand in trying to help him, this would be
greatly appreciated.  He has had this issue once before and was able to
restore the computer to a previous setting and all worked properly
again.  The other issue with this situation is that his wife, when his
screen was not working correctly the previous time, had a normal
screen.  This time, both screens are messed up and he can not find out
how to disable his anit-virus, whish I believe is AVG.  His restore says
he can not restore due to his anti-virus blocking the restore process.
Thanks for any assistance.

Carol


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Re: need help with Ebay page

[net bat via Talk]

keep this for future reference.
https://www.ebay.com/help/terms-conditions/default/ebay-users-special-access-needs?id=4658

ebay changed the programming some how for headings last week.
they did this 2 years ago too. then they put the headings for auctions back 
after i told them about it.

w e does not see the headings with the searches now.
but jaws 2018 does.
i didn't try n v d a yet.
one thing you can do is after you do a search find the link  that says 
something like how did we do, send feedback like i did yesterday. i told them 
that i use the headings to skip to each auction. maybe ebay will put them back.
-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 7:11 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: need help with Ebay page

Hi Group,

My brother has an issue with WE and Ebay that I do not have.  My page
works properly, his does not.  When I go to a page and do a search, I
get a standard page and pressing H takes me to each heading for the
search results (once I have gotten past the typical Ebay headings.)
Let's say we do the same search.  My result is that I get 63 headings
and 42 results.  He does the exact same search and gets 15 headings and
the only way he can get to the search results is to tab through all of
the 200 links. Therefore, he has to listen to all kinds of extraneous
information like buy it now, price, shipping cost, etc.  My headings
simply go to the next item.

He is making a guess that there are three columns on his screen and the
information he wants is in the middle column, but WE will not take him
there.  Even if he does a search and finds the first result, he still
can not get to the next item by pressing H.

If anyone can give me a hand in trying to help him, this would be
greatly appreciated.  He has had this issue once before and was able to
restore the computer to a previous setting and all worked properly
again.  The other issue with this situation is that his wife, when his
screen was not working correctly the previous time, had a normal
screen.  This time, both screens are messed up and he can not find out
how to disable his anit-virus, whish I believe is AVG.  His restore says
he can not restore due to his anti-virus blocking the restore process.
Thanks for any assistance.

Carol


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Re: Missing Hot Keys

[net bat via Talk]

look in the w e control panel in the list of hot keys. i have had a few times 
when all the hot keys on the list were erased because of a mal programmed 
script file.
i don't remember which w e factory default file that has the default hot keys 
in them. i deleted all my saved gwmicro messages i had. but there is a way to 
get them back without haveing to re install w e.






-Original Message- 
From: Debra Hill via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 3:59 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Debra Hill
Subject: Missing Hot Keys

Hi,



It seems some of the WE hot keys are missing and I have no reason why this
has happened.  The hot keys are:  time instert+t; status cntrl-shift-s; and
the status line says "speak all" with insert+s.  There may be more which I
have not discovered.  I hav restarted my laptop and there was no change.  If
anyone else is having this problem or knows howto fix this, I would
appreciateany and all suggestions or help.  I am using Windows 10 and MS
Office 2013.



Have a blessed day!

Deborah



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Re: windows 10??

[net bat via Talk]

are you sure the power settings in the control panel is set to sleep? it might 
be set to shut down in x number of minutes or hours instead.

in this case you would have to press the power button to turn it back on.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 5:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: windows 10??

Hi, Moveing the mouse does nothing.

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:20 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: windows 10??

you have to move the mouse then it will wake up.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 3:31 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: windows 10??

Hello guys, I have a del XPS desktop running windows 10. I have the latest
version of jaws. When my pc goes to sleep I cannot get it to wake again
without
using the power button to force a restart. Why might this be happening.
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Re: windows 10??

[net bat via Talk]

you have to move the mouse then it will wake up.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 3:31 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: windows 10??

Hello guys, I have a del XPS desktop running windows 10. I have the latest 
version of jaws. When my pc goes to sleep I cannot get it to wake again without 
using the power button to force a restart. Why might this be happening.

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desktop in task bar

[net bat via Talk]

you have to change the windows scheme
its either windows 7 basic or classic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVRiOCTvud4


-Original Message- 
From: net bat

Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 9:02 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Hello

you have to change the windows scheme.
its either windows 7 basic or classic.

but this will probibly change the disktop colors and icon layouts too if you
have modified them.

I am using WE 9.5.4 with Windows 7 64-bit Pro. Suddenly, the desktop has come
back into the Alt-Tab order. I know this has been discussed before, but I have
forgotten how to remove it from there. A little Google searching shows that it’s
necessary to make registry changes. I don’t recall this being necessary. Thanks
for any help.
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Re: Hello

[net bat via Talk]

you have to change the windows scheme.
its either windows 7 basic or classic.

but this will probibly change the disktop colors and icon layouts too if you 
have modified them.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 3:20 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tom Fairhurst
Subject: Fw: Hello

I also get the task switching message when Alt-Tabbing.

From: Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 1:34 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Hello

I am using WE 9.5.4 with Windows 7 64-bit Pro. Suddenly, the desktop has come 
back into the Alt-Tab order. I know this has been discussed before, but I have 
forgotten how to remove it from there. A little Google searching shows that it’s 
necessary to make registry changes. I don’t recall this being necessary. Thanks 
for any help.

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Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

[net bat via Talk]

you don't have to stop useing  window eyes .
both can co exist fine.
all i have to do is unload window eyes and then load jaws when i want to work 
with it.

or set it so jaws will load on bootup instead.
jaws can be unloaded with insert or capslock and f4 keys
you can change the jaws key from the insert key to the capslock key two ways.
by changeing to the laptop layout.
or if useing the desktop layout you can go to the settings center then to 
keyboard and insert keys i think its called and change between the insert or 
capslock key for the jaws key.




-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:23 PM
To: lynn white via Talk
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

I realize that you can't speak for others, and that each of us has
different needs, priorities, and biases, but I wonder why why some find
Jaws to be clunky while others (such as you) are quite satisfied.  I
wonder if using "outdated" software (such as Windows-7) contributes to
the problem.

That said, while I took advantage of the Jaws offer, I have yet to
migrate to Jaws and have yet to download Windows-10.  Things are running
smoothly and I hate to rock the boat.  The other issue which makes me
hesitate is Jaws' reliance on the insert key.  I use a left-handed
keyboard with the microsoft feature Sticky Keys and have never really
understood how to incorporate the insert feature with the caps lock key,
but I digress.

On 2/22/2018 3:10 PM, lynn white via Talk wrote:

Not to be contrary, I've been a Jaws user at home for over three years
and love it after being a devoted Window-Eyes user since almost day one.


I used Jaws for a number of years at work.  But, when they offered a
great home use program, I jumped at the chance and was glad that I did
even though I hated to see Window-Eyes go.


My personal feeling is that one is better served by having access to
more than one screen reader as well as learning more than one internet
browser.  Praise the Lord that we have choices.


I will say that these upgrades to these products gets rather expensive.
Not blaming Freedom Scientific.  But, when you have a family and/or you
also have other interests or needs, even the sma program becomes another
cost that requires budget juggling.


On 2/22/2018 12:36 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

I also think Jaws sucks! I wasted money migrating to jaws. Don't
remember the cost for 2 upgrades, somewhere around 120 bucks. I gave
it  a go for about one month and said F it! Been using NVDA ever
since. occasionally use window eyes navigating windows itself, like
control, panel, settings etc. MS one core voice David sounds pretty
good in NVDA.
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Re: version 9.5.4

[net bat via Talk]

because if you find a full version it would be illegal and probibly would be 
infected with a virus or malware.

or it would be a 20 minute demo.

-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:12 PM
To: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: version 9.5.4

Since VFO (apparently) no longer supports WE, why do you need a serial
number?  Why not just take a chance that there are old versions (for
download) floating around the net?

On 2/22/2018 4:05 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:

I hope this request won't cause any list member to get bent out of shape as
it certainly is not intended to offend anyone.

Yesterday, I contacted V F O to request a link to the Window-eyes version
9.5.4.  I did so because my copy is acting flaky, so I wanted to completely
uninstall and subsequently reinstall it.  Unfortunately, my CD has been
damaged and is now unplayable.  V F O said that they discontinued that
service, so I am now up the creek without a paddle if or until some kind
soul will provide me with a copy of the program along with a serial number.
I know my serial number, but it does me no good because I do not believe
that I could substitute my serial for the one on another user's CD.

So I will say no more but hope that some kind list member will write me off
list at:

donald.robert...@gmail.com .

Thanks for any assistance.

Don Roberts

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Re: version 9.5.4

[net bat via Talk]

have you tried cleaning the cd?
all those finger prints will make the cd unreadable. grin
i also have all my cd's stored on carbinite and microsoft one drive as backups.

-Original Message- 
From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 1:05 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Donald L. Roberts
Subject: version 9.5.4

I hope this request won't cause any list member to get bent out of shape as
it certainly is not intended to offend anyone.

Yesterday, I contacted V F O to request a link to the Window-eyes version
9.5.4.  I did so because my copy is acting flaky, so I wanted to completely
uninstall and subsequently reinstall it.  Unfortunately, my CD has been
damaged and is now unplayable.  V F O said that they discontinued that
service, so I am now up the creek without a paddle if or until some kind
soul will provide me with a copy of the program along with a serial number.
I know my serial number, but it does me no good because I do not believe
that I could substitute my serial for the one on another user's CD.

So I will say no more but hope that some kind list member will write me off
list at:

donald.robert...@gmail.com .

Thanks for any assistance.

Don Roberts

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Re: version 9.5.4

[net bat via Talk]

have you tried cleaning the cd?
all those finger prints will make the cd unreadable. grin

-Original Message- 
From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 1:05 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Donald L. Roberts
Subject: version 9.5.4

I hope this request won't cause any list member to get bent out of shape as
it certainly is not intended to offend anyone.

Yesterday, I contacted V F O to request a link to the Window-eyes version
9.5.4.  I did so because my copy is acting flaky, so I wanted to completely
uninstall and subsequently reinstall it.  Unfortunately, my CD has been
damaged and is now unplayable.  V F O said that they discontinued that
service, so I am now up the creek without a paddle if or until some kind
soul will provide me with a copy of the program along with a serial number.
I know my serial number, but it does me no good because I do not believe
that I could substitute my serial for the one on another user's CD.

So I will say no more but hope that some kind list member will write me off
list at:

donald.robert...@gmail.com .

Thanks for any assistance.

Don Roberts

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Re: Version 9.5.4

[net bat via Talk]

its not in the menu list. press the alt key to open the pull down menus. help 
is there
in there you will find the help manualls, about, and check for updates, which 
won't find any. grin


-Original Message- 
From: Patricia Krinke via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:32 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Patricia Krinke
Subject: Re: Version 9.5.4

Thank all of you for trying to help me; however, I cannot find HELP.
Control backslash does not open to what it used to.  Below is what control
backslash opens to:

Screen
Keyboard
Mouse
Hot Keys
Cursor Keys
General
Braille
Verbosity
Dictionary
User Windows
Association
Devices
Profile

Another suggestion?

Thank you,


Trish

-Original Message- 
From: Charles Adkins via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 8:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Charles Adkins
Subject: Re: Version 9.5.4



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 19, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Loy Green via Talk
 wrote:

Open the WE  control panel with control backslash and go to about under
the help menu.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Patricia Krinke via Talk

 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Patricia Krinke
 Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 3:15 PM
 Subject: Re: Version 9.5.4


 How does one get to the serial number nowadays?  I have forgotten how,
and
 maybe it doesn't matter anymore.


 Trish

 -Original Message- 
 From: Loy Green via Talk

 Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 2:01 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Loy Green
 Subject: Re: Version 9.5.4

 Contact VFO. They were giving out links to download, but not sure if they
 are still doing so.
   - Original Message - 
   From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk

   To: Rod Hutton
   Cc: Donald L. Roberts
   Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 2:33 PM
   Subject: Version 9.5.4


   Hello,

   I need to reinstall Window-eyes 9.5.4 but cannot locate my CD.  I do of
 course have my serial number but want to know if there is somewhere from
 where I can download the CD.

   Thanks.

   Don Roberts
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Re: Totally OT! How to get a new iPhone talking out of the box?

[net bat via Talk]

tap the home button 3 times real fast and voice over will turn on. then you can 
go through the setup yourself.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 6:35 PM
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Subject: Totally OT! How to get a new iPhone talking out of the box?

I've got a new iPhone coming tomorrow and assume Siri won't work out of
the box and the triple button press isn't on by default. Any way to get
it talking or do I have to wait for eyes?
Thanks,
Tom
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Re: Need Help Window-Eyes pARAMETERS

[net bat via Talk]

if the advanced options is not checked you will only see 2 choices under 
keyboard.


voices and layout.
you have to press enter on the advanced options to turn it on or off. not the 
space bar.


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 3:34 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Need Help Window-Eyes pARAMETERS

I DON'T SEE SPECIAL KEYS UNDER KEYBOARD.

-bOB


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 11:49 AM
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its in keyboard/special keys

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 11:29 AM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Need Help Window-Eyes pARAMETERS

Window-Eyes announces tab, up arrow, down arrow, etc. I can’t find the
parameter to stop this.

Any help?




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Re: Need Help Window-Eyes pARAMETERS

[net bat via Talk]

you have to turn on advanced features in the w e help pull down before these 
options will show in the menu list.


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Subject: Re: Need Help Window-Eyes pARAMETERS

Keyboard is the root of a tree view that has 5 items. The third of these is
Special. Once you are on the Special branch, start tabbing and you should
find "cursor movement." Down arrow once to turn Cursor Movement off, then
press Enter to save your settings.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 3:34 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Need Help Window-Eyes pARAMETERS

I DON'T SEE SPECIAL KEYS UNDER KEYBOARD.

-bOB


-Original Message----- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 11:49 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Need Help Window-Eyes pARAMETERS

its in keyboard/special keys

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 11:29 AM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Need Help Window-Eyes pARAMETERS

Window-Eyes announces tab, up arrow, down arrow, etc. I can’t find the
parameter to stop this.

Any help?




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916/ 806-9551
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Re: Need Help Window-Eyes pARAMETERS

[net bat via Talk]

open the w e control panel and go to help. check show edvanced options.
then you will see all 13 menu items. and the special keys options ounder 
keyboard.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 12:34 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Need Help Window-Eyes pARAMETERS

I DON'T SEE SPECIAL KEYS UNDER KEYBOARD.

-bOB


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 11:49 AM
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Subject: Re: Need Help Window-Eyes pARAMETERS

its in keyboard/special keys

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 11:29 AM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Need Help Window-Eyes pARAMETERS

Window-Eyes announces tab, up arrow, down arrow, etc. I can’t find the
parameter to stop this.

Any help?




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Re: Need Help Window-Eyes pARAMETERS

[net bat via Talk]

its in keyboard/special keys

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 11:29 AM
To: Talk
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Subject: Need Help Window-Eyes pARAMETERS

Window-Eyes announces tab, up arrow, down arrow, etc. I can’t find the
parameter to stop this.

Any help?




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Re: Hot key for starting JAWS?

[net bat via Talk]

you have to define it yourself in the jaws desktop icon.
open a context menu on the icon, choose properties. then go to the shortcut 
edit box and use j. this will define the control alt j key for the shortcut.
keep in mind though., that you will have to define different key combonations 
for each version of jaws you have installed.

they can not all use the same shortcut keys.
window eyes is the same way.
the shortcut keys are in the window eyes icon.



-Original Message- 
From: Bryan Peterson via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 9:30 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Bryan Peterson
Subject: Hot key for starting JAWS?

As the subject says, I’ve been trying to figure out how to assign a hot key to 
start JAWS since there doesn’t seem to be one by default. I have looked in the 
manual but unless I just missed it there doesn’t seem to be anything. I’ve 
gotten so used to WE having Control+Alt+W, so I wanted to do something with 
JAWS. Any help would be appreciated.


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Re: Windows Live Mail Attachment

[net bat via Talk]

i'm not sure. but i think this is a bisness card attachment. check to see that 
you haven't got wlm setup to send a bisness card.


-Original Message- 
From: peter Chin via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 2:53 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Windows Live Mail Attachment

Hello List members,

I am using Windows Live Mail version 2012 as my email client. I hope that
those who are using the same client can shed some light on my problem.
I notice that when I send out mail, there is always an attachment of a small
file, named
"Peter Chin.vcf". It is only 56 bytes in size. Why is this file attached and
how can I get rid of it?

Thanks for any help you can give.
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Re: Windows 10 creater upgrade and window eyes 9.5.4

[net bat via Talk]

try this.
if you have the w e cd use the emergency removal tool. its in the setup screen 
but you need another screen reader to find it.
if it works you will only get a message that w e has been completely removed 
from your computer.


-Original Message- 
From: David Crowell via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:48 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: David Crowell
Subject: Windows 10 creater upgrade and window eyes 9.5.4

Hi I have been trying for several weeks to do the windows 10 upgrade to
creator but am having no luck.  I have had sighted assistance and still can
not get things to install properly.  Here is the issue.
I know wE had to be removed for the installation so that was done.  Then the
download and install of creator was taking place when I got a message saying
WE 9.1 and 9.2 had to be removed from the computer before creator could
install.

This makes no sense at all because in the add remove programs WE 9.5.4 is
the only WE program on this computer.  WE was installed from a disc so I am
at my wits end on how to get creator downloaded and installed.
Any help would be greatly appreciated because I am tired of getting messages
constantly saying windows creator can not be installed and to click this
link to fix the issue.  Yes, this has been done several times but constantly
get the message about older versions of WE.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.


Dave


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Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[net bat via Talk]

you need to uninstall window eyes first if you have windows 7 because the video 
drivers are not the same with windows 10.
you also need window eyes version 9.2 or higher before it will run on windows 
10.


-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 4:53 PM
To: Nick Sarames via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

Yep, Rod is right.  pro is $200 after the cut off date.  I upgraded a
couple of my machines just because.  Not my main ones yet.  Had lots of
problems, long long story.  In neither case would the upgrade program
work.  had to use their media creater and get full version and then did
upgrade from that.  Also, in both cases, window-eyes seemed to have a
conflict leaving it.  Had to do a uninstall and reinstall.  First
machine I had we set to run at startup and it just put the machine in a
loop rebooting, so had to blow that completely away, so no way to go
back to seven on that one.  On the second machine, I set it not to run.
When I tried, locked up the machine, so I just rebooted.  Are we having
fun yet?
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


rOn Thu, 11 Jan 2018, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:


Thanks Rod, I realize there are issues with WE & 10, but as far as you
know, can WE handle the basics?  My hope was to be able to get
comfortable (somewhat) with 10 before tackling Jaws.

On 1/11/2018 7:12 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Nick,

Well, all I can do is recommend that you read the following page carefully 
and I believe you will conclude that the upgrade is free until Jan. 16, and, 
after then, you'll be paying the usual cost of the version of Windows 10 you 
require:


https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: January 11, 2018 3:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm
hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and I'm
given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the file
until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my sighted
friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my request
cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other way around
it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost after the
deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.

Nick
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Re: Neo Speech Voices

[net bat via Talk]

i think you are wrong. i have a ivona voice and it is 64 bit sapi.
my old neo speech is only 16 bit that i have been useing for 12 years. it works 
too.


-Original Message- 
From: Reeva Webb via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 1:03 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Reeva Webb
Subject: Re: Neo Speech Voices

Hi, if they want neospeech voices for jaws, they have to buy sapi5 versions
from neospeech directly. It's $69 for one voice, $99 for two. They email
you demo download, you download the one you need. For screenreder use you
need 32 bit. Even if you use 64 bit system. Once you download and confirm
demo works you pay for the voices. They email you verification license once
you've paid. You go to there website and put the number from verfication
email in to get the file yiu need to copy and paste on your system for the
voices you bought.

email sa...@neospeech.com and they'll walk them through buying voices for
personal use.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Dec 4, 2017 11:09 PM, "Debby Franson via Talk" <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Hi everyone!

I have a friend who uses System Access some and JAWS a lot more these
days. She has the Neospeech voices on System Access and loves them, and she
was asking me if there is any
way to get those voices for Jaws 18. I told her I'd ask on the lists I am
on.

She was also asking if the voices are easy to install if she can get them.

If you know the exact link to those voices, that would help her, too.

Thanks for any help.

Debby

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Re: Firefox query

[net bat via Talk]

n v d a does work with firefox 57 if the accessibility option in the tools pull 
down menu, i think is turned on.


-Original Message- 
From: Debby Franson via Talk

Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 8:00 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Debby Franson
Subject: Re: Firefox query

Hi!

I kept this in my inbox, so I thought I'd answer with my latest experiences
with Firefox.

The Control-N workaround worked for me in Window-Eyes 9.5.4 until last
Tuesday, I think it was when Firefox updated itself, making it useless for
me in Windows 7 Pro 32 bit.

I have the business edition aka Firefox ESRthat my husband got for me,
which I will install very soon. I wanted to remember to try Firefox in NVDA
to see whether it was a Window-Eyes issue or a Firefox issue, and Firefox
is just as useless now in NVDA, at least over here.

Here is an article about the new Firefox.

It sounds like from this article that there is a Firefox/Chrome war, on
Firefox's side, anyway. I hope Chrome doesn't follow in the footsteps of
Firefox, because I like Chrome a lot.

Here's the title of the article and the link to it.

What's New in Firefox Quantum, the Firefox You've Been Waiting For

https://www.howtogeek.com/332449/whats-new-in-firefox-quantum/

Debby

At 05:12 AM 10/22/2017, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote
After Firefox 56.01 came out, even the ctrl-N workaround doesn't work because 
we have been switched over to the 64-bit version of Firefox. Browse mode 
becomes unavailable at that point. If you are going to continue to use 
Window-Eyes, you must use browsers other than Firefox.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 4:16 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Firefox query

Did you try control-shift-a?  Actually, if you've been reading the
threads of the last few days, you're gonna have to open another window
in Firefox, control-n.

On 10/22/2017 2:29 AM, Jesse delMuro via Talk wrote:

Hi guys.


So, trying to utilize Firefox much like IE but in many cases, if not
all, the webpages load but MSAA (or browse mode) isn't on
automatically.  Never seen _that before, so how to get it too work or
turn it on using Mozilla Firefox?  Any help much appreciated.

Jesse


On 10/21/2017 9:52 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

firefox 52 is the last version that will fully work with window eyes.
there is still the 52.4 for businesses esr
and it upgrades once per year. around march of next year.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
-Original Message- From: Debby Franson via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:59 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Debby Franson
Subject: Firefox Updated and I'm Unable to Navigate

Hi!

I didn't have this problem until today when Firefox updated. I can
only tab
and Shift-Tab through the links with MSAA turned off. The arrow keys do
nothing, and, if MSAA is turned on, I only get a ding and no navigation
works. I have never seen this behavior before today.

I'm using Windows 7 32 bit with Window-Eyes 9.5.4.0.

Debby


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Re: typing passwords with jaws

[net bat via Talk]

with some web sites you don't hear the stars until you tab out and back into 
the edit field and arrow over them.
more and more sites give you the option to show your password. so what purpose 
does it serve to hide them.


-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 10:36 AM
To: BK via Talk
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: Re: typing passwords with jaws

Myself, I only copy and paste my password for logging into my bank
account because it's like 18 characters long. The rest of my passwords I
type them in. I don't hear anything when I type in passwords, no star,
nothing. All my passwords are stored on a thump drive, not in my
computer! I say, to each there own.
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Re: typing passwords with jaws

[net bat via Talk]

sorry. but i can not concentrate on what i am typeing and listen to 
star,star,star  at the same time.

turning the volume off is not the anser either.
i want to hear what i am typeing so i am not locked out of my accounts.

-Original Message- 
From: Marvin Commerford via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 10:44 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Marvin Commerford
Subject: Re: typing passwords with jaws

Sorry to be a bit of a crab but a novel idea might be to practice typing
until you get good enough to type passwords accurately.  I've been
working with blind students for over 10 years.  They know from the
beginning that they need to get good enough with the keyboard to
correctly type passwords.  They do the work to get better which pays off
for them in doing all of their computer work.  The copy and paste method
of enterring passwords is interesting. However, if people have enough
skills to do that they may be close to being able to type them in.

On 11/18/2017 6:32 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
I have a friend that has a file with all of her passwords and other log-in 
information.  She copies hers from that list in order to make sure it is 
correct.


Carol

On 11/18/2017 1:31 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:

and why do home bodies need this?
there's no one here to see the passwords. so why can't i turn the stars off 
like window eyes can?

i only have 3 tries before i am locked out of my accounts.
and some of them will only  unlock my accounts by sending me a unlock code 
by mail. not by email. so i could be locked out for weeks.
i have to use window eyes for passwords. or type them in note pad and copy 
and paste them into the password fields.
we should have the choice to speak or not speak the keys you press in the 
password fields.

my requests to f/s just falls on deaf ears.
they have not responded to any of my jaws questions to date.


-Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 9:35 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: typing passwords with jaws

It's done this way for security.  Think about it a sighted person couldn't
see it either it would appear as stars or dots.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:02 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: typing passwords with jaws

WE does the same thing, and as much as I don't like not knowing what I am
typing, I like the security of knowing I am typing my password in the
correct field.

On 11/17/2017 5:56 PM, BK via Talk wrote:

Hello, jaws says star, star, star, when I type in a password. Does
anyone know how to change this so that jaws will say what is actually
being typed. I like to hear the actual characters, so I know I am
typing the password correctly. Thanks.

Butch


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Re: typing passwords with jaws

[net bat via Talk]

and why do home bodies need this?
there's no one here to see the passwords. so why can't i turn the stars off 
like window eyes can?

i only have 3 tries before i am locked out of my accounts.
and some of them will only  unlock my accounts by sending me a unlock code by 
mail. not by email. so i could be locked out for weeks.
i have to use window eyes for passwords. or type them in note pad and copy and 
paste them into the password fields.
we should have the choice to speak or not speak the keys you press in the 
password fields.

my requests to f/s just falls on deaf ears.
they have not responded to any of my jaws questions to date.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 9:35 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: typing passwords with jaws

It's done this way for security.  Think about it a sighted person couldn't
see it either it would appear as stars or dots.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:02 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: typing passwords with jaws

WE does the same thing, and as much as I don't like not knowing what I am
typing, I like the security of knowing I am typing my password in the
correct field.

On 11/17/2017 5:56 PM, BK via Talk wrote:

Hello, jaws says star, star, star, when I type in a password. Does
anyone know how to change this so that jaws will say what is actually
being typed. I like to hear the actual characters, so I know I am
typing the password correctly. Thanks.

Butch


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Re: typing passwords with jaws

[net bat via Talk]

w e is the only screen reader i know of that can turn off the stars.
open the w e control panel, go to verbocity,, common,miscellanious. in there is 
the

option to turn off the stars.
***
i have asked f/s several times to give us the same option and this has fallen
on deaf ears.
i am sick and tired of haveing to type the passwords in note pad and copy and
pasteing it in the password fields.
so i load w e when i have to type in passwords.

-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:02 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: typing passwords with jaws

WE does the same thing, and as much as I don't like not knowing what I
am typing, I like the security of knowing I am typing my password in the
correct field.

On 11/17/2017 5:56 PM, BK via Talk wrote:

Hello, jaws says star, star, star, when I type in a password. Does
anyone know how to change this so that jaws will say what is actually
being typed. I like to hear the actual characters, so I know I am typing
the password correctly. Thanks.

Butch


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Re: We certificates

[net bat via Talk]

are you sure you have the full installation file?
the downloads are usually not.
i had to email vfo with my serial number and name. then they sent me a link to 
download it with my serial number already embedded in the file.



-Original Message- 
From: Kevin Huber via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 12:35 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Kevin Huber
Subject: Re: We certificates

Hi Larry:

I would just go ahead and reinstall WeForOffice.
In the long run, you save time because you will not have to try
something, have it not work and then try again.

You may have to redownload it from the website.  I did that not too
long ago, because I wanted to make sure that the website still exists
and that I have a copy of the istallation file in case the website is
taken down by the folks at VFO.

Kevin Huber


On 11/14/17, Larry Higgins via Talk  wrote:

Kevin,


Now that this issue has come up, I have a question I hope you have some
insight into.


For some reason, each time I make a major update to Windows 10, WE goes
into demo mode,  making it necessary to go to license management and
renew online. When I try doing it offline, it gives me an invalid
warning. When I do it offline, it tells me that I have a dwindling
number of renewal options, and now it appears that I have run out. So,
do you know how to deal with what appears to be the inevitable situation
where I am actually out of validations?


Who knows, maybe then it will be necessary to either uninstall, and then
reinstall another copy of WE for Office.


Any ideas?


On 11/14/2017 3:24 PM, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote:

Hi Bernie:

OK.  I will make another attempt at answering your question as I was
not quite awake the first time.
If you have a valid license for Microsoft Office version 10 or higher, you
can
run Window-eyes for Office and it will work perfectly. If it does not
find a valid license, it will run in Demo mode.

You can find all the information on www.windoweyesforoffice.com.

Kevin Huber


On 11/14/17, Kevin Huber  wrote:

Hi  Bernie:

bAs for your question about Microsoft Office, If you have a valid
license for Microsoft Office 10 or above, all you need to do is to
start Windoweyesforoffice and if it doesn't find yourMicrosoft Office
license, it will just run in demo mode.

You can get the information at www.windoweyesforoffice.com and you can
get all the information from there

On 11/12/17, Bernie Perella via Talk  wrote:

HI, Thanks for your note.  I did, in fact, purchase the acapella voices
but I think they sent the wrong authorization.  I have two copies of WE,
one on an older system 9.0 on a Vista system.  the other is We for
office now running on Windows 10 version 17 09.  I am not sure but I
seem to remember that when you got WE for office, you had to download an
authorization so they would know you had purchased Office from MS.  Am I
wrong about that?  Thanks, B


On 11/12/2017 7:17 PM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:

Not sure what authorizations you are talking about, if it is for
voices
you purchased for the paid version of WE 9.54, you need to request a
download link from AISquared that would include any paid versions of
voices you purchased. They were still giving these links a while back,
but
don't know how long they might continue doing so.
>>
>> On 11/7/2017 2:36 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>>> HI, I have a couple of authorization files that I had gotten
from
Gw
>>> before they went belly up. However, none of these authorization
files
>>> will run and they give the error that they are blocked by an
>>> administrator. Is there any way to get these authorization
files
with
>>> the new certificate? thanks. B
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Re: Question About WLM

[net bat via Talk]

open the ribbon and find it.
it says grid drop down button then it will say application menu.
you press enter on it  then arrow down to options then  to mail then go to the 
tab control to  send.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 3:11 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Yes, I am using WLM 2012.

How do I find the applications menu?

-Bob.

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:42 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

are you useing wlm 2012?
its in the applications pull down
options, mail.
then go to the control tab to send
the option is in there.
there is another option there about plain text but i left this alone. grin.
i
don't want to mess mine up.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:24 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

You wrote:

try turning off the option to send your
message in the format it was sent in.
 maybe when you send a message it is useing html format instead of plain
text.

How do I do this?

-Bob


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

sometimes, like if you have firefox and wlm loaded at the same time w e will
lose focus and i have to open the wlm pull down menu and click on restore
and
speech will come back.
but most of the time i have to unload and reload w e and speech will come
back.
i also have to reload w e if i am composeing a message and press escape,
which
turns browse mode on. once i do this i get invalid key with every key i
press.
when it does this i have to reload w e to get it back.
***
this may not make any difference. but try turning off the option to send
your
message in the format it was sent in.
maybe when you send a message it is useing html format instead of plain
text.
***
make sure the message window is maximized.
sometimes this helps.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 8:37 AM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About WLM

Windows 10

Window-Eyes 9.4.5

WLM



This started a couple months ago.



When I use the N command to open and write an email, I can’t read what I am
writing. I can read the address and subject, but not the text.



I have to write it in Word and then paste it into the out-going email.



I can read incoming emails no sweat.



I used to be able to read while writing an email, but not now.



Any suggestions?





Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

“If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed,
if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed.” -- Mark Twain




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Re: Question About WLM

[net bat via Talk]

are you useing wlm 2012?
its in the applications pull down
options, mail.
then go to the control tab to send
the option is in there.
there is another option there about plain text but i left this alone. grin. i 
don't want to mess mine up.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:24 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

You wrote:

try turning off the option to send your
message in the format it was sent in.
 maybe when you send a message it is useing html format instead of plain
text.

How do I do this?

-Bob


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

sometimes, like if you have firefox and wlm loaded at the same time w e will
lose focus and i have to open the wlm pull down menu and click on restore
and
speech will come back.
but most of the time i have to unload and reload w e and speech will come
back.
i also have to reload w e if i am composeing a message and press escape,
which
turns browse mode on. once i do this i get invalid key with every key i
press.
when it does this i have to reload w e to get it back.
***
this may not make any difference. but try turning off the option to send
your
message in the format it was sent in.
maybe when you send a message it is useing html format instead of plain
text.
***
make sure the message window is maximized.
sometimes this helps.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 8:37 AM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About WLM

Windows 10

Window-Eyes 9.4.5

WLM



This started a couple months ago.



When I use the N command to open and write an email, I can’t read what I am
writing. I can read the address and subject, but not the text.



I have to write it in Word and then paste it into the out-going email.



I can read incoming emails no sweat.



I used to be able to read while writing an email, but not now.



Any suggestions?





Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

“If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed,
if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed.” -- Mark Twain




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Re: Firefox Again

[net bat via Talk]

52.5 is working fine here.
one thing to check though. i keep getting nagged to install the chrome browser.
every time there tool box notification w e browse mode stops working until you 
can find and close the popup.
the firefox pull down menus  are another problem. if the screen is miximized 
they will not open.

try pressing f11 to restore the screen size to get the pull down menus back.
***
are you useing the 32 or 64 bit version? i use the 32 bit version.
you can find out if you open the help pull down then click on about. use the 
tab keys to read the dialog box
i have windows 64 bit but i have had some problems with the 64bit version of 
firefox for years.




-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 1:28 AM
To: WE English Mailinglist
Cc: David
Subject: Firefox Again

A couple of weeks ago, we had the new Firefox breaking the accessibility
under WinEyes. It is well known, from version 56 and up, Firefox will no
longer operate with WinEyes.


Someone kindly pointed us to the business - or ESR - version of firefox,
at the time being version 52. I followed their advice, and installed it,
greatly enjoying to have my Firefox back on stage.


This morning, Firefox notified me there was a security update to my
installation. In other words, no new version, just a maintenence update.
Hence, I agreed to have it perform the update.


Yeah, I take it, you have already guessed what. From now on, my Firefox
says version 52.5, and is no longer doable with WinEyes. It no longer
goes into the programs Main Window, but says Document Window. Here you
can tab around, but the arrow keys produces no real effect, and browse
mode is reported to be:

Not Available.

Oh, how I hate that message. Smiles.


OK, if anyone have seen different behavior, or have got to a bit of
knowledge on how to get Firefox back, we are all ears. To me, it seems
Firefox simply has crept out of all cooperation with our screen reader.
Little do I hold it realistic it will ever come back.


Some place, I seem to recently have read, that someone from the NVDA
team had gone to Mozilla. It then is strange that we are facing this
kind of lack of accessibility. It even states, under Help and About,
that Firefox is meant to make the web accessible to everyone. I guess,
that means except from old-timers with their WinEyes. Smiles and LOL.


For some, Chrome might be an alternative. The rest of us, will be back
to Internet Explorer. Chrome has its benefits, but so far I have had
issues with it under certain operations.


Following NVDA discussions lately, even that screen reader seem to have
high issues with the newest firefox releases. It is being claimed,
things will get better in version 58, but to what extent that will
affect WinEyes, I am doubtful. And a recent note I read from VFO, on
Jaws, seemed to indicate that even Jaws users are experiencing trouble
with Mozilla lately. It was recommended not to use Firefox with Jaws
2018, if I remember correctly. Currently, I am not on that version of
Jaws, so cannot confirm. Anyone here has had a chance to test newest
releases of the screen reader and browser together?


Goodbye to a long-lasting browser, which had numerous and beneficial
advantages over any other products. Along with the somehow old-fashioned
way of operating the web with Jaws - which to a degree reminds me of
where WinEyes was a handful of years ago, the whole Internet browsing
experience now seem to be a setback. Sure is going to take a bit of
time, to get back to normal browsing speed.


Sure, they made it secure? Didn't they. So secure you can't even use it.
That is another kind of safety. Well, seems not even sighted users are
comfortable with the newest moves from Mozilla. Probably why they tell
the next release (58) will have some advancements. Does it remind you of
what happened to things like Windows8, and the fact they had to go back
on certain of the news, when releasing next versions? So maybe we should
not wave totally goodbye to Mozilla all yet. I just wish they would have
a setting somewhere, which would let the browser run the old way, even
if they make some security adjustments behind the scene.


Just wanted to let you know my findings. If anyone have ideas, I for one
will be listening.


For your info, I am under Win7 64bit, and the Firefox is reported as
v52.5ESR 32bit.


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Re: Question About WLM

[net bat via Talk]

sometimes, like if you have firefox and wlm loaded at the same time w e will 
lose focus and i have to open the wlm pull down menu and click on restore and 
speech will come back.

but most of the time i have to unload and reload w e and speech will come back.
i also have to reload w e if i am composeing a message and press escape, which 
turns browse mode on. once i do this i get invalid key with every key i press. 
when it does this i have to reload w e to get it back.

***
this may not make any difference. but try turning off the option to send your 
message in the format it was sent in.

maybe when you send a message it is useing html format instead of plain text.
***
make sure the message window is maximized.
sometimes this helps.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 8:37 AM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About WLM

Windows 10

Window-Eyes 9.4.5

WLM



This started a couple months ago.



When I use the N command to open and write an email, I can’t read what I am 
writing. I can read the address and subject, but not the text.




I have to write it in Word and then paste it into the out-going email.



I can read incoming emails no sweat.



I used to be able to read while writing an email, but not now.



Any suggestions?





Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

“If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed,
if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed.” -- Mark Twain




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Re: firefox e sr download

[net bat via Talk]

i originally installed the f f 64 bit version. but it reverted back to the 32 
bit version.
maybe you need the 32 bit version. i have a 64bit windows. but for years 
firefox recommended useing the 32 bit version because it was more stable.

***
are you switching users? grin
like with me i am running as a standard user. but some programs will not run 
unless they run as administrator. so i have to make the changes in the desktop 
icons so they will run as administrator.
but with window eyes running as a standard user and the program running as 
administrator window eyes browse mode will not run.
i have to unload w e and run it as administrator too. then browse mode will 
work.

i have 2 window eyes icons on the desktop with shortcuts to load them.
if you have firefox running as administrator browse mode would not work until 
you load w e as administrator too.



-Original Message- 
From: David Crowell via Talk

Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 8:54 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: David Crowell
Subject: RE: firefox e sr download

Ok, got the 52.4 to download and it replaced FF56 without having to delete
it.  It also kept all my bookmarks which made me happy.
Now the only problem is some of the WE functions are still not working.  I
still have to use the tab to move through items because the arrow keys do
nothing.  I checked about browse mode and it says browse mode not available.

I can not use the letter e to move to edit boxes and the same for the letter
x to move to check boxes.
I am sure the download was done properly because I have sighted help that
checked to make sure if my computer was 32 or 64 bit and made sure I had the
proper FF download chosen.
Any suggestions?

Dave



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dwc63=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 5:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: net bat <net...@comcast.net>
Subject: firefox e sr download

it still says 52.4 is still availible for download.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
i didn't look here for the portable versions.
https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable


the firefox web page is hard to figure out though.
you have to find your version 32 or 64 bit then count how many download
buttons to match your version.
it speaks the versions first then the download links. afterwards.

-Original Message-
From: David Crowell via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 3:15 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: David Crowell
Subject: RE: pop up windows

Ok, I will see what I can do to find a portable version of FF  Now one more
question if you don't mind.
Where do you go to download 52.4?  Every place I go says it isn't available.
Thanks


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dwc63=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 5:10 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: net bat <net...@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: pop up windows

52.4 will only be supported until about march  next year. about the only way
you can continue useing it is to set it to never check for updates.
but after the next version is released you would not get anymore security
patches.
or find and use a portable version and set that to never update if it has
this option.
i would still export the bookmarks just in case.
i don't see this option in ff 52.4 it use to be in the bookmark pulldown in
orgen ize. but this option is not there.
from other posters i have read you do not have to uninstall firefox. if you
install the 52.4 over it it will retain your bookmarks. and color settings
if you set them.

-Original Message-
From: David Crowell via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 2:45 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: David Crowell
Subject: RE: pop up windows

I am using current version of explorer since I have to wait to have help
saving my bookmarks and delete firefox and get 52.4 ESR.
I was looking in the menus of explorer and I am just wondering if a pop up
would also be a tab?  There is a command of control w to close tab.  But I
am afraid to hide otherwise I may lose everything.

Dave

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Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 4:41 PM
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Subject: Re: pop up windows

which browser?
if useing firefox press control m to mute it.
i don't know if i e has any hot keys.


-Original Message-
From: David Crowell via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 2:27 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: David Crowell
Subject: pop up windows

Hi,
I know there is a way to close a pop window but I do not know how to it.
I have a couple of web s

Re: lost all my w e apps.

[net bat via Talk]

thanks, got it.

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From: ratshtron via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 12:09 PM
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Cc: ratshtron
Subject: Re: lost all my w e apps.

here's the link to a file containing 308 apps:

we apps july 2017.zip
https://www.sendspace.com/file/f1odbi


Legend has it that on Wednesday 11/1/2017 11:12 PM, net bat via Talk said:


hi,
i lost all my installed apps from the list.
there was a way to make them show up in the list again by changeing or 
deleteing a w e file without haveing to reinstall the apps but i don't 
remember how to do this.

is there anyone left on the list that knows how to do this. grin.
is there a way to batch down load all the apps from the app central  store at 
one time?


help please.



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firefox e sr download

[net bat via Talk]

it still says 52.4 is still availible for download.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
i didn't look here for the portable versions.
https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable


the firefox web page is hard to figure out though.
you have to find your version 32 or 64 bit then count how many download buttons 
to match your version.

it speaks the versions first then the download links. afterwards.

-Original Message- 
From: David Crowell via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 3:15 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: David Crowell
Subject: RE: pop up windows

Ok, I will see what I can do to find a portable version of FF  Now one more
question if you don't mind.
Where do you go to download 52.4?  Every place I go says it isn't available.
Thanks


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Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 5:10 PM
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Subject: Re: pop up windows

52.4 will only be supported until about march  next year. about the only way
you can continue useing it is to set it to never check for updates.
but after the next version is released you would not get anymore security
patches.
or find and use a portable version and set that to never update if it has
this option.
i would still export the bookmarks just in case.
i don't see this option in ff 52.4 it use to be in the bookmark pulldown in
orgen ize. but this option is not there.
from other posters i have read you do not have to uninstall firefox. if you
install the 52.4 over it it will retain your bookmarks. and color settings
if you set them.

-Original Message-
From: David Crowell via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 2:45 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: David Crowell
Subject: RE: pop up windows

I am using current version of explorer since I have to wait to have help
saving my bookmarks and delete firefox and get 52.4 ESR.
I was looking in the menus of explorer and I am just wondering if a pop up
would also be a tab?  There is a command of control w to close tab.  But I
am afraid to hide otherwise I may lose everything.

Dave

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Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 4:41 PM
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Cc: net bat <net...@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: pop up windows

which browser?
if useing firefox press control m to mute it.
i don't know if i e has any hot keys.


-Original Message-
From: David Crowell via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 2:27 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: David Crowell
Subject: pop up windows

Hi,
I know there is a way to close a pop window but I do not know how to it.
I have a couple of web sites I use and I get a lot of pop up windows that
are playing video adds.  Of course I can't turn down the sound because then
I will not be able to hear my screen reader.  So any help would b
appreciated for when I am home alone and do not have a sighted person to
help me.

Thanks, Dave
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Re: pop up windows

[net bat via Talk]

52.4 will only be supported until about march  next year. about the only way 
you can continue useing it is to set it to never check for updates.
but after the next version is released you would not get anymore security 
patches.
or find and use a portable version and set that to never update if it has this 
option.

i would still export the bookmarks just in case.
i don't see this option in ff 52.4 it use to be in the bookmark pulldown in 
orgen ize. but this option is not there.
from other posters i have read you do not have to uninstall firefox. if you 
install the 52.4 over it it will retain your bookmarks. and color settings if 
you set them.


-Original Message- 
From: David Crowell via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 2:45 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: David Crowell
Subject: RE: pop up windows

I am using current version of explorer since I have to wait to have help
saving my bookmarks and delete firefox and get 52.4 ESR.
I was looking in the menus of explorer and I am just wondering if a pop up
would also be a tab?  There is a command of control w to close tab.  But I
am afraid to hide otherwise I may lose everything.

Dave

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dwc63=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 4:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: net bat <net...@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: pop up windows

which browser?
if useing firefox press control m to mute it.
i don't know if i e has any hot keys.


-Original Message-
From: David Crowell via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 2:27 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: David Crowell
Subject: pop up windows

Hi,
I know there is a way to close a pop window but I do not know how to it.
I have a couple of web sites I use and I get a lot of pop up windows that
are playing video adds.  Of course I can't turn down the sound because then
I will not be able to hear my screen reader.  So any help would b
appreciated for when I am home alone and do not have a sighted person to
help me.

Thanks, Dave
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Re: pop up windows

[net bat via Talk]

which browser?
if useing firefox press control m to mute it.
i don't know if i e has any hot keys.


-Original Message- 
From: David Crowell via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 2:27 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: David Crowell
Subject: pop up windows

Hi,
I know there is a way to close a pop window but I do not know how to it.
I have a couple of web sites I use and I get a lot of pop up windows that
are playing video adds.  Of course I can't turn down the sound because then
I will not be able to hear my screen reader.  So any help would b
appreciated for when I am home alone and do not have a sighted person to
help me.

Thanks, Dave
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lost all my w e apps.

[net bat via Talk]

hi,
i lost all my installed apps from the list.
there was a way to make them show up in the list again by changeing or 
deleteing a w e file without haveing to reinstall the apps but i don't remember 
how to do this.

is there anyone left on the list that knows how to do this. grin.
is there a way to batch down load all the apps from the app central  store at 
one time?


help please.



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Re: window eyes instalation disk

[net bat via Talk]

just find the downloaded file and highlight it.  then press control c to copy 
it to the clipboard. vchange to the flash drive and use control v to paste the 
file. just make sure you have enough free space on the flash drive.

you can do the same thing with the disk.
highlight all the files then go to the flash drive and paste it to the drive.
then to run the files from the disk run the setup.exe file.


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From: michael's emails via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 9:45 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: michael's emails
Subject: Re: window eyes instalation disk

Hi do you know how to just copy the  hole file or just the win eyes files to
put then on a cd or flash drive.
For the future cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 5:45 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: Re: window eyes instalation disk

I was sent a link to download it. I just used it to do a clean install.

On 10/28/2017 10:19 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
What?  How did they send it to you?  It's not a disk already?  If it is, how 
come you would have to make another one?  Pam.


-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 12:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Subject: window eyes instalation disk

It appears the installation copy gw micro  sent me needs to be burnt to
a disk. would someone please give me detailed instruction on how to
accomplish this task. I want the installation to begin once I insert the
disk. Thanks.
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Re: IE or fx

[net bat via Talk]

i think the insert f7 functions is a jaws defect.
some times i get the same error. but when i close firefox and reload it and 
press the insert f7 key it works fine with the list of links.
i don't have any problems with navigation with firefox 52.4 with jaws or window 
eyes.


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From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 10:01 AM
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Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: IE or fx

This makes no sense on windows7 with jaws 18 and jaws2018 I can use firefox 
just fine.


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 10:46 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: IE or fx

 I am still having navigational issues with IE or FX. Window eyes has the same 
problem that started a few weeks ago in FX 56.x where we lost navigational 
keys. Uninstalled FX 56.x and installed FX 52.4 and have the same problem with 
window eyes.
 I installed Jaws 2018 When i hit insert   f-function key 7 for a list of 
links, I hear "feature only available in  virtual document. Using firefox, or 
IE jaws 2018. Tried hitting escape key, no change, no navigational  keys work 
other than tab key. Whats going on?  By the way, NVDA works fine with my 
limited knowledge of NVDA. Using all current screen reader versions, window 10 
fall edition. Any advice will be welcomed. Thanks 
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Re: window eyes instalation disk

[net bat via Talk]

is this a zip file? a folder with the files in them etc.
you might only have to copy the files to a flash drive then find and run the 
setup.exe file to install it.
even a installation disk you can copy the files to a flash drive and do the 
same thing. run the setup.exe setup file.


-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 9:50 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: window eyes instalation disk

It appears the installation copy gw micro  sent me needs to be burnt to
a disk. would someone please give me detailed instruction on how to
accomplish this task. I want the installation to begin once I insert the
disk. Thanks.
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Re: Steps to Change JAWS Voice

[net bat via Talk]

as far as getting more voices, open the jaws menu with jaws key j. go to help. 
in there is the option to get more voices.



-Original Message- 
From: Terry D. Eagle via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 12:39 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
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Subject: Steps to Change JAWS Voice

Hi,



Will someone please provide me with the keyboard steps to select and save a
different JAWS voice?



I also understand there are additional voices that can be downloaded from
online site, but I cannot locate the website.



Thanks.



Terry



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Re: window eyes version for win ten

[net bat via Talk]

this won't work.
you need 9.2 full system installation. then a 9.5 upgrade will install as a 
full version.
i think you could install the 9.5 by itself but it would run as a 20 minute 
demo.



-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 8:14 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Subject: window eyes version for win ten

I need to uninstall window eyes. The only installation disk I have is
version 9.0, will this work? Then I can install the latest version, I
think it was 9.4? Thanks in advance.
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Re: remove latest fx and installed old version

[net bat via Talk]

maybe you need a new video driver. some people have reported that the upgrade 
removed the factory video and audio drivers with genaric microsoft drivers.
you may have to re install window eyes or jaws because maybe this windows 
handles video differently from the anniversery version did.

i have not upgraded windows 10 and i use windows 7 most of the time.

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From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 11:43 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: remove latest fx and installed old version

This morning I decided to uninstall FX 56.x and install
Firefox Setup 52.4.0esr.exe. After going through all that, I still have
the same problem as in version 56.x. Only the tab key would work. Using
windows ten fall edition.
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Re: Firefox query

[net bat via Talk]

i tried both the 32 and 64 bit version and the work around did not work for me.
so i went back to the 52 e s r version.

-Original Message- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 4:15 AM
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Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: Firefox query

Are you using the 52.x ESR version of Firefox? Or are you using 32-bit
Windows instead of 64-bit? Perhaps that's why ctrl-N still works for you.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 5:28 AM
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Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Firefox query

What doesn't work any longer?  Control/n still works for me.

On 10/22/2017 4:50 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:

it doesn't work anymore

-Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 1:16 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Firefox query

Did you try control-shift-a?  Actually, if you've been reading the
threads of the last few days, you're gonna have to open another window
in Firefox, control-n.

On 10/22/2017 2:29 AM, Jesse delMuro via Talk wrote:

Hi guys.


So, trying to utilize Firefox much like IE but in many cases, if not
all, the webpages load but MSAA (or browse mode) isn't on
automatically.  Never seen _that before, so how to get it too work or
turn it on using Mozilla Firefox?  Any help much appreciated.

Jesse


On 10/21/2017 9:52 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

firefox 52 is the last version that will fully work with window eyes.
there is still the 52.4 for businesses esr
and it upgrades once per year. around march of next year.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
-Original Message- From: Debby Franson via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:59 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Debby Franson
Subject: Firefox Updated and I'm Unable to Navigate

Hi!

I didn't have this problem until today when Firefox updated. I can
only tab
and Shift-Tab through the links with MSAA turned off. The arrow keys do
nothing, and, if MSAA is turned on, I only get a ding and no navigation
works. I have never seen this behavior before today.

I'm using Windows 7 32 bit with Window-Eyes 9.5.4.0.

Debby


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Re: Firefox query

[net bat via Talk]

it doesn't work anymore

-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 1:16 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Firefox query

Did you try control-shift-a?  Actually, if you've been reading the
threads of the last few days, you're gonna have to open another window
in Firefox, control-n.

On 10/22/2017 2:29 AM, Jesse delMuro via Talk wrote:

Hi guys.


So, trying to utilize Firefox much like IE but in many cases, if not
all, the webpages load but MSAA (or browse mode) isn't on
automatically.  Never seen _that before, so how to get it too work or
turn it on using Mozilla Firefox?  Any help much appreciated.

Jesse


On 10/21/2017 9:52 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

firefox 52 is the last version that will fully work with window eyes.
there is still the 52.4 for businesses esr
and it upgrades once per year. around march of next year.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
-Original Message- From: Debby Franson via Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:59 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Debby Franson
Subject: Firefox Updated and I'm Unable to Navigate

Hi!

I didn't have this problem until today when Firefox updated. I can
only tab
and Shift-Tab through the links with MSAA turned off. The arrow keys do
nothing, and, if MSAA is turned on, I only get a ding and no navigation
works. I have never seen this behavior before today.

I'm using Windows 7 32 bit with Window-Eyes 9.5.4.0.

Debby


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Re: Firefox Updated and I'm Unable to Navigate

[net bat via Talk]

firefox 52 is the last version that will fully work with window eyes.
there is still the 52.4 for businesses esr
and it upgrades once per year. around march of next year.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
-Original Message- 
From: Debby Franson via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:59 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Debby Franson
Subject: Firefox Updated and I'm Unable to Navigate

Hi!

I didn't have this problem until today when Firefox updated. I can only tab
and Shift-Tab through the links with MSAA turned off. The arrow keys do
nothing, and, if MSAA is turned on, I only get a ding and no navigation
works. I have never seen this behavior before today.

I'm using Windows 7 32 bit with Window-Eyes 9.5.4.0.

Debby


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Re: firefox

[net bat via Talk]

you can thank mazilla for this.
firefox 56 or 57 will no longer support the current a p i i think this is 
called add ons. unless the authors of there add ons are not converted to the 
new standard all of them will stop working.
from what i read there are 18000 add ons but only 2000 has been converted over 
to the new standard.


-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 9:03 AM
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Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: firefox

Firefox has been acting strange over the weekend. No scrips won't load.
So I went to tools, to add ons, to the extension tab and every extension
just says loading. I do have the option to disable or uninstall. the
version that no longer works with win eyes, 56.x
When I load a page in FX, I canhit the context key and up arrow to no
script to allow scripts to run or not run with the particular web page,
well, No Scripts isn't even showing under the context menu. Any ideas?
Thanks.
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