Re: [Vo]:News about Defkalion Europe...

>From the french words http://www.agoravox.fr/actualites/technologies/article/fusion-froide-lenr-resume-pour-130995?pn=1000#forum3769829 It is probably not an official title "Conseiller du Commerce Extérieur", but a consultant job, if not lobbying. Hard to translate, especially because I don't kno

Re: [Vo]:DGT or ECAT? Same Process?

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:47 PM, David Roberson wrote: Did you calculate the actual number of Ds impacting the target metal to > generate a reasonable amount of energy? My quick estimate suggests that > the number of energetic protons generated was far below enough to replace > the beam energy.

Re: [Vo]:DGT or ECAT? Same Process?

Robin, do you see any reason why the particles leaving the active region would exit the opposite side when such a low energy input is applied? I would expect to see a random distribution. This effect, if true, would appear like a stimulated emission process. :) Wow, now we have a particle la

Re: [Vo]:DGT or ECAT? Same Process?

In reply to David Roberson's message of Tue, 9 Jul 2013 20:02:08 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] >DGT promises that no dangerous radiation is emitted by their process, so it >must be considered LENR. Hot fusion would not be acceptable for our needs and >gammas of very strong energies would no doubt be

Re: [Vo]:DGT or ECAT? Same Process?

In reply to Eric Walker's message of Tue, 9 Jul 2013 15:54:10 -0700: Hi, [snip] >This gets back to the earlier thread on the ion beam and glow discharge >experiments. I suspect that some of what they're seeing in those >experiments is real LENR, and that it is hasty to write it off as hot >fusion

Re: [Vo]:Barns and Noble picked me up

I'm at Amazon, Barns and Noble, and working with the Sidney Kimmel group on something. If that not good enough for you, what is? -Original Message- From: Alan Fletcher To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Jul 9, 2013 6:39 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Barns and Noble picked me up > From: fznidar...@aol.

Re: [Vo]:DGT or ECAT? Same Process?

Eric, Did you calculate the actual number of Ds impacting the target metal to generate a reasonable amount of energy? My quick estimate suggests that the number of energetic protons generated was far below enough to replace the beam energy. The effect might be larger than expected from curr

Re: [Vo]:DGT or ECAT? Same Process?

That is very interesting Dennis. If I understand you correctly, you solve the thermal run away problem by extracting heat fast enough to keep the thermal positive feedback loop gain below unity. That should work provided there is enough energy released per pulse of drive to achieve a high eno

[Vo]:The real cost of coal

http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/07/coals-high-cost-in-china-2-5-billion-years-of-life-expectancy/ *Coal’s high cost in China: 2.5 billion years of life expectancy* Coal is the least efficient of the fossil fuels in terms of the amount of energy gained vs. CO2 released. Burning it also releas

RE: [Vo]:DGT or ECAT? Same Process?

My take on their process is that the control and the sparks are related to the positive heat coef. of the reaction and the rate at which the heat is extracted. My best empirical model shows an almost exponential increase in max power output with temperature (due to vacancy production). A few

Re: [Vo]:DGT or ECAT? Same Process?

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 5:02 PM, David Roberson wrote: Eric, I recall mention of an experiment of that nature but do not recall > specifics. Could you offer a link that I might follow? > The thread was here [1]. Defkalion mention Rydberg hydrogen. An interesting thing that I recently read was

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

I posted that the Impact Factor looked meaningless. I can't see if reasonable journals have a factor of 1, or 10 , or 100 or XYZ. There was never an answer to my post. Kevin O'Malley Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:53

Re: [Vo]:DGT or ECAT? Same Process?

Eric, I recall mention of an experiment of that nature but do not recall specifics. Could you offer a link that I might follow? I can understand your interest in the results if less than 1000 eV Ds are used for the collision since that is far less than the normal energy used for hot fusion ex

Re: [Vo]:DGT or ECAT? Same Process?

Eric, if you attend ICCF-18, I will answer this question during my talk. Ed On Jul 9, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Eric Walker wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:39 PM, David Roberson wrote: What does the spark of DGT offer that heat alone seems to neglect in the ECAT? This gets back to the earlier t

Re: [Vo]:DGT or ECAT? Same Process?

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Eric Walker wrote: My current line of thinking for the ion beam stuff -- there is something in > the electronic structure of the substrate that is at work here, be it > plasmons, or shielding, or cracks, my favorite, sufficient deceleration in > the fields of heavy

Re: [Vo]:DGT or ECAT? Same Process?

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:39 PM, David Roberson wrote: > What does the spark of DGT offer that heat alone seems to neglect in the > ECAT? > This gets back to the earlier thread on the ion beam and glow discharge experiments. I suspect that some of what they're seeing in those experiments is rea

Re: [Vo]:Barns and Noble picked me up

> From: fznidar...@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 3:34:49 PM > http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/energy-cold-fusion-antigravity-mr-frank-znidarsic-pe/1113883542?ean=9781480270237 Just before they go belly up? Congratulations, anyway.

[Vo]:DGT or ECAT? Same Process?

Whenever I read about the DGT device I get the impression that it behaves much differently than the ECAT. The main difference I focus upon so far is the method of control. We have discussed the ECAT thermal positive feedback control on many occasions and have developed models that appear to e

[Vo]:Barns and Noble picked me up

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/energy-cold-fusion-antigravity-mr-frank-znidarsic-pe/1113883542?ean=9781480270237 Sent from my iPad

Re: [Vo]:News about Defkalion Europe...

"Frederic Gilardone" "foreign trade" : lots of legitimate hits Frederic GILARDONE, MILANO, Bankwesen, Versicherungen, Energiewirtschaft, ... Councilman (Foreign trade) at the French Embassy in Rome. ... Frederic Gilardone. GEB-SOLUTIONS, Country Manager ... Junior export manager, Italian Insti

Re: [Vo]:News about Defkalion Europe...

> From: "blaze spinnaker" > Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 3:00:43 PM > I gotta jet, but Frederic Gilardone "trade minister" isn't showing > anything in Google. Foreign Trade Advisor Could be any kind of speculator/punter.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: Another powerful thing that's been demonstrated is just how on target > Vortex is.You have benefited. > Vortex is everything to everyone. Benefitting from the threads here is like having someone read tea leaves. There is a lot of intere

Re: [Vo]:News about Defkalion Europe...

I gotta jet, but Frederic Gilardone "trade minister" isn't showing anything in Google. If we can establish him as a real and independent person with a track record, this could be pretty exciting news. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Alain Sepeda wrote: > > For Your information... > > > http:/

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:52 PM, blaze spinnaker wrote: I think the conversation is primarily of interest to a limited group and > probably just noise for the rest of the list. > > It's usually a good idea to do this when threads get overly long and only > certain people are participating. > You g

[Vo]:News about Defkalion Europe...

For Your information... http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?2111-Defkalion-Europe-some-comment-about-Defkalion-reactors-from-french-Agoravox on my french article Agoravox.fr , there was an interesting response in relation Defkalion Europe. http://www.agoravox.fr/actualites/te...0#forum37698

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

Kevin O'Malley wrote: > The End of *Snide Remarks* Against *Cold Fusion* - Free Republic > > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2265914/posts > > Free Republic, Gravitronics.net and Intrade ^ | 6/5/09 | *kevmo*, et al. > Posted on 06/05/2009 5:56:08 PM PDT *.* > This is from 2009 and i

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

> > > ***I accepted your original offer of 10:1. But you are not a man of your > word. > Dude, you and I both know those bets are not forever. New information arrives which forces us all to adjust our probabilities. BUT! If you still want to go with the original bet at 10:1 where the arvix re

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

I think the conversation is primarily of interest to a limited group and probably just noise for the rest of the list. It's usually a good idea to do this when threads get overly long and only certain people are participating. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > > > > On Tue

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:36 PM, blaze spinnaker wrote: > Taking this convo off list, email me if you'd like to be CC'd / included. > > ***Why?

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:23 PM, blaze spinnaker wrote: > > BTW, I notice you haven't made a counter offer yet. Will you give me 2:1 > that the eCat exists? > ***I accepted your original offer of 10:1. But you are not a man of your word. > > Or, ick, let's use Intrade odds. Will you go long at

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

Taking this convo off list, email me if you'd like to be CC'd / included. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:23 PM, blaze spinnaker wrote: > Sure, if an eCat is announced and publicly demonstrated, I certainly will > be betting 2:1. Or better testing. > > I'm not a mary yugo. I don't start with a concl

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

Well, I am discussing probabilities and the ability to estimate them. Perhaps we could take this off list though. Maybe not everyone finds it as fascinating as you and I :) Honestly, I'm not the enemy here btw. I'm a big believer in LENR. I just think the probability of Rossi doing something

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

> These arguments are based on the notion that a wire capable of conducting > enough electricity to melt steel and ceramic is so thin you can't see it. > That is nonsense. Even a wire capable of conducting the electricity > measured in the second and third tests would be readily visible to anyone.

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

Sure, if an eCat is announced and publicly demonstrated, I certainly will be betting 2:1. Or better testing. I'm not a mary yugo. I don't start with a conclusion and work backwards. I'm merely trying to estimate the probability. BTW, I notice you haven't made a counter offer yet. Will you

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

Now you're just trying to change the subject. If ya wanna talk politics, click on that link I gave you. Vortex is for science subjects. (speaking of track records) ***Now, it appears yours is one of strong backtracking, here on Vortex. The End of *Snide Remarks* Against *Cold Fusion* - Free Re

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:58 PM, blaze spinnaker wrote: > I was always willing to take a bet that eCat existed. Didn't you ever > make a market on Intrade? ***Yes. It had to do with Cold Fusion, as I posted earlier. But it was not me, the market maker, who changed his tune. It was all the nay

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

blaze spinnaker wrote: > Never underestimate the value of track records. Bayesian probabilities > rely upon this. The specific problem with Rossi is that, from a bayesian > point of view, it seemed improbable that he had created anything useful. > Rossi made millions of dollars inventing Die

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

ok.Btw, how'd that bet on Romney winning in '12 work out for you? (speaking of track records) On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:47 PM, blaze spinnaker > wrote: > >> My odds have changed from around 0% (before the report) to ~5% to ~

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:47 PM, blaze spinnaker wrote: > My odds have changed from around 0% (before the report) to ~5% to ~17% of > the eCat being true. ***Nonsense statement. 0% would represent astronomically high odds of a thousand or million to one. > You need go to from the middle of t

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

I was always willing to take a bet that eCat existed. Didn't you ever make a market on Intrade? And, yes, I've gone from 5% to 17% probability of eCat existing. Things are moving quickly right now before ICCF / NI-WEEK.We live in exciting times. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Kevin O'Mall

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

Kevin O'Malley wrote: > > Maybe 3 to 1 and I'd take 10 to 1 >> >> >> >> ***So if I'm reading this right, and it isn't a typo... you've gone from > OFFERING 10:1 against Rossi to wanting to take that bet yourself. In the > short timespan of about a week. > That's what I thought it meant. But I d

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

My odds have changed from around 0% (before the report) to ~5% to ~17% of the eCat being true.You need go to from the middle of the spread. Also, you're doing a somewhat linear analysis based on 2 data points. I could already be on an asymptote. I don't think the Pekka patent is particularly

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

> blaze > spinnaker > Mon, > 08 Jul 2013 18:56:47 > -0700 > > Between this and the Pekka patent, very encouraging. I'd still give odds

Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

*perhaps Axil can give more background on the video.. is the blurry motion between the particles an artifact of the sensor,* Francis, ** There are two categories of nano/micro particels, static and dynamic. Please allow me to define them. Dynamic particles Dynamic particles are produced from pla

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

The odds are not so clear, if we integrate a time factor. as explained the problem is not to prove that LENr is real, it have been done since long, and mainstream media will never admit it without a gun on their head. No evidence will work. The rest is betting on an industrial application. It tak

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:09 PM, blaze spinnaker wrote: > Come on Kevin, you know how this works. > > In the face of new evidence (Pekka Patent, full throated defense from > co-author) we need to update our priors. > ***The Pekka patent has nothing to do with Rossi. And a co-author full throated

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

blaze spinnaker wrote: > > No, what you are sick of is the cognitive dissonance. The lack of clear, > decisive proof that the eCat is real. > > You are unable to embrace the ambiguity and feel that the world must be > black or white. The fact that it isn't is clearly upsetting you. > That is n

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

Come on Kevin, you know how this works. In the face of new evidence (Pekka Patent, full throated defense from co-author) we need to update our priors. The universe is not static. What's interesting really is not whether or not the eCat is real, but rather getting an accurate estimate of the prob

Re: [Vo]:Rossi update

Jones Beene wrote: > > However, “Mt Airy” is one place where they would definitely celebrate with > Coca-Cola instead of Veuve Clicquot. > H. . . It is in Surry County. The only "dry" county in the state is Graham. See: http://abc.nc.gov/faq/category.aspx So they could drink. But in rural

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > But I find it disagreeable, because I have been hearing over and over and > OVER for 20 years about every cold fusion scientist is a fraud. I get sick > of it. You are beating a dead horse. We know you think that. We don't care, > and we don

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

"You are beating a dead horse. I get sick of it." No, what you are sick of is the cognitive dissonance. The lack of clear, decisive proof that the eCat is real. You are unable to embrace the ambiguity and feel that the world must be black or white. The fact that it isn't is clearly upsetting yo

RE: [Vo]:Rossi update

Although this came out a year and a half ago, this may identify the company and its CEO http://ecatmotor.com/e-cat-motor-on-techno-map/ as . Charlie Sutherland of Sutherland Products, Inc. in Mayodan, NC, USA. On the downside, recent posts of Charlie to JONP give no indication of such a clo

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

Rossi has a history of less than forthright dealings. Given his past and the secretive approach he's taken, it's not hard to conclude that something fishy might be going on. Personally, I think he'd probably be able to get patents much easier if he disclosed everything. He may find that his sec

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

blaze spinnaker wrote: To be clear, obviously I do not know which. However, until the eCat is > fully in the public eye I don't think anyone can authoritatively say either > way, and I think it's a bit irresponsible trying to do so (negative or > positive). My point exactly. It is a bit irresp

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

blaze spinnaker wrote: Or, conversely, he's setting it all up for someone else to be responsible > for this massive fraud as he tries to detach himself from the entire > enterprise. Do you know of any evidence for this? Or are you merely speculating? > I wouldn't be surprised if we start hea

Re: [Vo]:Rossi update

Jones Beene wrote: http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/07/rossi-update-e-cat-built-by-partner-works- > pefectly/ > > I'm sure the skeptics will double down on AR's unreliability, but to me > this > is one more nail in their coffin. > They will say -- with some justification -- that he is the only sou

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

To be clear, obviously I do not know which. However, until the eCat is fully in the public eye I don't think anyone can authoritatively say either way, and I think it's a bit irresponsible trying to do so (negative or positive). On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:59 AM, blaze spinnaker wrote: > Or, conve

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

Or, conversely, he's setting it all up for someone else to be responsible for this massive fraud as he tries to detach himself from the entire enterprise. I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing things like "well, the timeline is up to my partner CEO.I'm not sure what my partner CEO is doi

Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

Ed, I was unaware that nearly touching metallic nanoparticles immediately fuse and start to grow a bigger particle, are you saying the lattices break and reassemble to form a solid or are you suggesting the stiction force reshapes the particles into perfect shapes to form closed surfaces?. I was

[Vo]:Rossi update

http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/07/rossi-update-e-cat-built-by-partner-works- pefectly/ I'm sure the skeptics will double down on AR's unreliability, but to me this is one more nail in their coffin. <>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

Excellent news! Rossi's technology is spreading on his terms, with his contracts, apparently without a US or European patent. Craig On 07/09/2013 01:31 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: > Andrea Rossi > July 8th, 2013 at 10:25 PM > http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=810&cpage=2#comment-734612 >

[Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

Andrea Rossi July 8th, 2013 at 10:25 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=810&cpage=2#comment-734612 Eugenio Mieli: I already answered to your questions: please see my answers on July 3rd and July 4th 2013. Please read carefully those answers: 1- The E-Cat technology is undergoing ri

RE: [Vo]:Prevenslik plasmon paper never mentions plasmons

From: Roarty, Francis X Also care to comment a little more on the SiC based sealant in regards to plasmons and the Rossi device? Was it total luck, inspired or just a natural consequence of the desired properties for hi temp sealants? I hope this

RE: [Vo]:Prevenslik plasmon paper never mentions plasmons

Did a search for this title in the Collective's memory and didn't find it, but think its relevant to the discussion! "Plasmon-enhanced luminescence from nanocrystalline SiC films through adjusting spacer layer thickness" http://proceedings.spiedigitallibrary.org/proceeding.aspx?articleid=132

[Vo]:Fukushima Ex-Manager Dies of Cancer

http://rt.com/news/fukushima-manager-yoshida-dies-cancer-829/ Craig

Re: [Vo]:John O'M Bockris dies

Bockris @ 2:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN26SszEBZQ Harry On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 9:46 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: > Oh No… not another true scientist. > > ** ** > > Infuriating does not describe the feeling that many who risked their > careers will not be there to see this suc

[Vo]:Prevenslik plasmon paper never mentions plasmons

On 7/9/13 Jones said [snip] To explain why microscopic gaps enhance radiant heat transfer, a new theory of radiative heat transfer based on cavity quantum electrodynamics (QED) is proposed. [/snip] Jones, So Thomas knew already something was going on at this geometry in the IR

[Vo]:Prevenslik plasmon paper never mentions plasmons

One of the most provocative and insightful researchers in alternative energy is Thomas Prevenslik. Like many of us, he did not pick up on the plasmon connection to Casimir/ZPE/superradiance until fairly recently. I am not sure if he has yet framed the Rossi HotCat into this same category, but I su

Re: [Vo]:Interview with Professor Bo Hoistad regarding eCat report - please respond here

blaze spinnaker wrote: It means if it exists, I get paid $10 for every $1 I bet. The implied > probability is 1/(11) or ~9%. Forgive my continued confusion . . . but you are betting *in favor of* cold fusion? Right? Even though you do not think it exists. I don't get it. I never did understa

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

So, Blaze on another thread you've reduced the odds down to 3:1. Does this mean that you aren't as confident betting against Rossi any more? Just spending some time on Vortex seems to have brought you from 10:1 skepticism down to 3:1. Eventually you'll go down to 2:1, then 1:1, and soon after