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The only way to solve this problem is to behave in accordence to the mood of the group and defenitly you will be treated as one among them. This is my personal experience. All the best. Renuka E., Section Officer, ICT Center for the Visually Challenged, CHMKLibrary, University of Calicut, Kerala. - Original Message - From: "Rahul Bajaj" To: Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising Vamshi Sir, Very well said. You have raised 2 very important issues. I do come across many people who ask me how I can "see" movies or watch TV. However, one good thing for me is that I do most things that people my age do. For example, I love following all major sports and news stories,and I am mostly aware of all the latest movies and books that are out there in the market. So, thankfully, that is not an issue for me. The second major issue which you raised is about VI people trying to maintain a clean and good image. One problem which I have faced in this regard is that most of my friends who don't know me very well treat me with way too much respect. So, due to this, you don't feel like you're equal to them. They treat you like they would treat someone far older than them. I have observed that my best friends are those who treat me like they treat everyone else, and do not change their behavior just because of my problem. On 04/12/2011, Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala wrote: I agree. Many of us find discomfort or feel awkward sharing emotions with people around just coz of disability. Also, many of us carry self without paying attention to appearance, attire, etc and remain confined to themselves and their disability which also establishes a disconnect with the sighted world. Such behavior strengthens people's misconceptions and pre-image of a disabled person. Acts of participation and sharing + a positive attitude can go a long way in bridging gaps making the world a better place to live for all. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vamshi. G Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:03 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising Hi, Another important aspect in socialising is to involve yourself in all sorts of discussions. Many people feel disabled do not have certain emotions, which is a misconception. Once I went to a romantic movie along with my college mates, and many of them commented that even I was interested in such movies. I clearly told them that I am also a human being and had all sorts of emotions like them. I even questioned them why I couldn't, and shouldn't, have such emotions. And I involved myself in a very humorous discussion relating to that particular aspect. Later on I was invited into the group and became a very close friend of the group, who helped me in my academics by speaking out what was written on the black board. The reason I'm writing this is because some times disabled people feel they should act very decent in order to keep their image very clean so that others come to help us. But I feel we should be ourselves which make others feel that we too belong to their world. On 10/2/11, Chetan Soni wrote: My teachers clearly spoke and i noted down using braille. I feel that the recording devices are the better option but braille is better than asking someone to write down the notes. - Original Message - From: "Phen Varghese" To: Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising If you want someone to help you to write what is tought in the class then there are two opptions. 1. Tell the teacher to write in your note book or tell her to tell someone to write for you . 2. By a digital recorder or a angel voice recorder. It will be useful. RGDS, Phen Varghese On 12/1/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: Yeah, that is a good idea. Even I was thinking that I should do that after 12th. Usually, when the sighted escort is not available, I go with my driver only. A driver is more than enough. But the only problem is that I need someone to note down what is taught in the class. On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: Good Rahul. My theory about escorts says that totally blind person should opt for escort if the escort is available, affordable and there are no privacy concerns. In your case, escort is available/affordable. But there are privacy concerns. However, Rahul, when you have a driver, I don't think you require a separate sighted escort. Driver can drop you wherever you wish and then mobility inside is not such a big issue. Friends and people around are sufficient. So, with a driver, I do not think you need a separate escort. Learning basic handling of cane etc. is of course called for. I advocate escorts mainly for outside mobility which is of course reduced in your case, since you use a private transport wit
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Hi rahul even I also feel that some people treat us with too much respect the only way to get rid of this situation is that you should try to be as humerous as the group and the situation allows you then soon they will become familier I had fased this situation when I joined my college because it is a government college so I have a large number of friends belonging from different types of families and places so they treated me as a lecturor in early days when I became quite familier with them then 1 day suddenly I asked them about their behaviour towards me then they said that we feel inferiour to talk to you but some how I was able to mantain a healthy discussion on this topic now they treat me normally regards On 12/4/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > Vamshi Sir, > > Very well said. > You have raised 2 very important issues. > > I do come across many people who ask me how I can "see" movies or watch TV. > However, one good thing for me is that I do most things that people my age > do. > For example, I love following all major sports and news stories,and I > am mostly aware of all the latest movies and books that are out there > in the market. > So, thankfully, that is not an issue for me. > > The second major issue which you raised is about VI people trying to > maintain a clean and good image. > One problem which I have faced in this regard is that most of my > friends who don't know me very well treat me with way too much > respect. > So, due to this, you don't feel like you're equal to them. > They treat you like they would treat someone far older than them. > > I have observed that my best friends are those who treat me like they > treat everyone else, and do not change their behavior just because of > my problem. > > > > On 04/12/2011, Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala wrote: >> I agree. Many of us find discomfort or feel awkward sharing emotions with >> people around just coz of disability. Also, many of us carry self without >> paying attention to appearance, attire, etc and remain confined to >> themselves and their disability which also establishes a disconnect with >> the >> sighted world. Such behavior strengthens people's misconceptions and >> pre-image of a disabled person. Acts of participation and sharing + a >> positive attitude can go a long way in bridging gaps making the world a >> better place to live for all. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vamshi. G >> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:03 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >> >> Hi, >> >> Another important aspect in socialising is to involve yourself in all >> sorts of discussions. Many people feel disabled do not have certain >> emotions, which is a misconception. Once I went to a romantic movie >> along with my college mates, and many of them commented that even I >> was interested in such movies. I clearly told them that I am also a >> human being and had all sorts of emotions like them. I even >> questioned them why I couldn't, and shouldn't, have such emotions. >> And I involved myself in a very humorous discussion relating to that >> particular aspect. Later on I was invited into the group and became a >> very close friend of the group, who helped me in my academics by >> speaking out what was written on the black board. >> >> The reason I'm writing this is because some times disabled people feel >> they should act very decent in order to keep their image very clean so >> that others come to help us. But I feel we should be ourselves which >> make others feel that we too belong to their world. >> >> >> On 10/2/11, Chetan Soni wrote: >>> My teachers clearly spoke and i noted down using braille. I feel that the >>> recording devices are the better option but braille is better than asking >>> someone to write down the notes. >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Phen Varghese" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:50 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >>> >>> >>>> If you want someone to help you to write what is tought in the class >>>> then there are two opptions. >>>> 1. Tell the teacher to write in your note book or tell her to tell >>>> someone to write for you . >>>> 2. By a digital recorder or a angel voice recorder. >>>> It will be useful. >>>> >>>> RGDS, >>>> >>>> Phen Varghese >>>>
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Vamshi Sir, Very well said. You have raised 2 very important issues. I do come across many people who ask me how I can "see" movies or watch TV. However, one good thing for me is that I do most things that people my age do. For example, I love following all major sports and news stories,and I am mostly aware of all the latest movies and books that are out there in the market. So, thankfully, that is not an issue for me. The second major issue which you raised is about VI people trying to maintain a clean and good image. One problem which I have faced in this regard is that most of my friends who don't know me very well treat me with way too much respect. So, due to this, you don't feel like you're equal to them. They treat you like they would treat someone far older than them. I have observed that my best friends are those who treat me like they treat everyone else, and do not change their behavior just because of my problem. On 04/12/2011, Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala wrote: > I agree. Many of us find discomfort or feel awkward sharing emotions with > people around just coz of disability. Also, many of us carry self without > paying attention to appearance, attire, etc and remain confined to > themselves and their disability which also establishes a disconnect with the > sighted world. Such behavior strengthens people's misconceptions and > pre-image of a disabled person. Acts of participation and sharing + a > positive attitude can go a long way in bridging gaps making the world a > better place to live for all. > > -Original Message- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vamshi. G > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:03 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising > > Hi, > > Another important aspect in socialising is to involve yourself in all > sorts of discussions. Many people feel disabled do not have certain > emotions, which is a misconception. Once I went to a romantic movie > along with my college mates, and many of them commented that even I > was interested in such movies. I clearly told them that I am also a > human being and had all sorts of emotions like them. I even > questioned them why I couldn't, and shouldn't, have such emotions. > And I involved myself in a very humorous discussion relating to that > particular aspect. Later on I was invited into the group and became a > very close friend of the group, who helped me in my academics by > speaking out what was written on the black board. > > The reason I'm writing this is because some times disabled people feel > they should act very decent in order to keep their image very clean so > that others come to help us. But I feel we should be ourselves which > make others feel that we too belong to their world. > > > On 10/2/11, Chetan Soni wrote: >> My teachers clearly spoke and i noted down using braille. I feel that the >> recording devices are the better option but braille is better than asking >> someone to write down the notes. >> - Original Message - >> From: "Phen Varghese" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >> >> >>> If you want someone to help you to write what is tought in the class >>> then there are two opptions. >>> 1. Tell the teacher to write in your note book or tell her to tell >>> someone to write for you . >>> 2. By a digital recorder or a angel voice recorder. >>> It will be useful. >>> >>> RGDS, >>> >>> Phen Varghese >>> >>> On 12/1/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>>> Yeah, that is a good idea. >>>> Even I was thinking that I should do that after 12th. >>>> Usually, when the sighted escort is not available, I go with my driver >>>> only. >>>> A driver is more than enough. >>>> But the only problem is that I need someone to note down what is >>>> taught in the class. >>>> >>>> On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>>> Good Rahul. >>>>> My theory about escorts says that totally blind person should opt for >>>>> escort >>>>> if the escort is available, affordable and there are no privacy >>>>> concerns. >>>>> In your case, escort is available/affordable. >>>>> But there are privacy concerns. >>>>> >>>>> However, Rahul, when you have a driver, I don't think you require a >>>>> separate >>>>> sighted escort. >>>>> Driver can drop
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I agree. Many of us find discomfort or feel awkward sharing emotions with people around just coz of disability. Also, many of us carry self without paying attention to appearance, attire, etc and remain confined to themselves and their disability which also establishes a disconnect with the sighted world. Such behavior strengthens people's misconceptions and pre-image of a disabled person. Acts of participation and sharing + a positive attitude can go a long way in bridging gaps making the world a better place to live for all. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vamshi. G Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:03 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising Hi, Another important aspect in socialising is to involve yourself in all sorts of discussions. Many people feel disabled do not have certain emotions, which is a misconception. Once I went to a romantic movie along with my college mates, and many of them commented that even I was interested in such movies. I clearly told them that I am also a human being and had all sorts of emotions like them. I even questioned them why I couldn't, and shouldn't, have such emotions. And I involved myself in a very humorous discussion relating to that particular aspect. Later on I was invited into the group and became a very close friend of the group, who helped me in my academics by speaking out what was written on the black board. The reason I'm writing this is because some times disabled people feel they should act very decent in order to keep their image very clean so that others come to help us. But I feel we should be ourselves which make others feel that we too belong to their world. On 10/2/11, Chetan Soni wrote: > My teachers clearly spoke and i noted down using braille. I feel that the > recording devices are the better option but braille is better than asking > someone to write down the notes. > - Original Message - > From: "Phen Varghese" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:50 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising > > >> If you want someone to help you to write what is tought in the class >> then there are two opptions. >> 1. Tell the teacher to write in your note book or tell her to tell >> someone to write for you . >> 2. By a digital recorder or a angel voice recorder. >> It will be useful. >> >> RGDS, >> >> Phen Varghese >> >> On 12/1/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>> Yeah, that is a good idea. >>> Even I was thinking that I should do that after 12th. >>> Usually, when the sighted escort is not available, I go with my driver >>> only. >>> A driver is more than enough. >>> But the only problem is that I need someone to note down what is >>> taught in the class. >>> >>> On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>> Good Rahul. >>>> My theory about escorts says that totally blind person should opt for >>>> escort >>>> if the escort is available, affordable and there are no privacy >>>> concerns. >>>> In your case, escort is available/affordable. >>>> But there are privacy concerns. >>>> >>>> However, Rahul, when you have a driver, I don't think you require a >>>> separate >>>> sighted escort. >>>> Driver can drop you wherever you wish and then mobility inside is not >>>> such >>>> a >>>> big issue. >>>> Friends and people around are sufficient. >>>> >>>> So, with a driver, I do not think you need a separate escort. >>>> >>>> Learning basic handling of cane etc. is of course called for. >>>> I advocate escorts mainly for outside mobility which is of course >>>> reduced >>>> in >>>> your case, since you use a private transport with a fixed driver. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:19 PM >>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >>>> >>>> Rajesh Sir, >>>> >>>> I completely agree with you. >>>> In fact, even I think that privacy can be an issue when one is with an >>>> escort. >>>> >>>> It is for this reason that I always try to ensure that my friends >>>> don't feel like they&
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yes dear vamshi!!! your absolutely right. if we didn't spoke this kind of thinks in friend of our sighted friends, they will think we don't have such immosions. I really learned this big lessen in my college life. so, once again, I appreciated your great commends, regarding with this topic!!! thanks in advance your friend, Timy. - Original Message - From: "Vamshi. G" To: Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising Hi, Another important aspect in socialising is to involve yourself in all sorts of discussions. Many people feel disabled do not have certain emotions, which is a misconception. Once I went to a romantic movie along with my college mates, and many of them commented that even I was interested in such movies. I clearly told them that I am also a human being and had all sorts of emotions like them. I even questioned them why I couldn't, and shouldn't, have such emotions. And I involved myself in a very humorous discussion relating to that particular aspect. Later on I was invited into the group and became a very close friend of the group, who helped me in my academics by speaking out what was written on the black board. The reason I'm writing this is because some times disabled people feel they should act very decent in order to keep their image very clean so that others come to help us. But I feel we should be ourselves which make others feel that we too belong to their world. On 10/2/11, Chetan Soni wrote: My teachers clearly spoke and i noted down using braille. I feel that the recording devices are the better option but braille is better than asking someone to write down the notes. - Original Message - From: "Phen Varghese" To: Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising If you want someone to help you to write what is tought in the class then there are two opptions. 1. Tell the teacher to write in your note book or tell her to tell someone to write for you . 2. By a digital recorder or a angel voice recorder. It will be useful. RGDS, Phen Varghese On 12/1/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: Yeah, that is a good idea. Even I was thinking that I should do that after 12th. Usually, when the sighted escort is not available, I go with my driver only. A driver is more than enough. But the only problem is that I need someone to note down what is taught in the class. On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: Good Rahul. My theory about escorts says that totally blind person should opt for escort if the escort is available, affordable and there are no privacy concerns. In your case, escort is available/affordable. But there are privacy concerns. However, Rahul, when you have a driver, I don't think you require a separate sighted escort. Driver can drop you wherever you wish and then mobility inside is not such a big issue. Friends and people around are sufficient. So, with a driver, I do not think you need a separate escort. Learning basic handling of cane etc. is of course called for. I advocate escorts mainly for outside mobility which is of course reduced in your case, since you use a private transport with a fixed driver. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:19 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising Rajesh Sir, I completely agree with you. In fact, even I think that privacy can be an issue when one is with an escort. It is for this reason that I always try to ensure that my friends don't feel like they're being constantly scrutinized by an outsider. Once, when a very good sighted friend of mine had called me for his birthday party, I asked my sighted guide to drop me to the place where I and my friends were going to meet. I told him that I would call him after the party and asked him to wait in the car till then. On another occasion, when me and my friends went for a movie, I asked my sighted guide to drop me to my seat and to go and sit at a different place. Am I doing enough? Is there anything else that you can suggest to deal with this issue of privacy? BTW, which are the other requirements of your theory about desirability of escorts? :) On 01/12/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: Ravindra Sir, I really appreciate your suggestions. However, it would be wrong to assert that I'm concentrating on socialising at the cost of my studies. In fact, my parents and others who know me say that my main problem is that I study way too much :P Studies can only take you so far in life. Anyway, thank you for your wishes, and I'll keep your suggestions in mind. On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: Well, I can fully understand rahul's predicament. So, advice to concentrate on studies and so on is too, too moralistic and beside the point. Specifi
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Hi, Another important aspect in socialising is to involve yourself in all sorts of discussions. Many people feel disabled do not have certain emotions, which is a misconception. Once I went to a romantic movie along with my college mates, and many of them commented that even I was interested in such movies. I clearly told them that I am also a human being and had all sorts of emotions like them. I even questioned them why I couldn't, and shouldn't, have such emotions. And I involved myself in a very humorous discussion relating to that particular aspect. Later on I was invited into the group and became a very close friend of the group, who helped me in my academics by speaking out what was written on the black board. The reason I'm writing this is because some times disabled people feel they should act very decent in order to keep their image very clean so that others come to help us. But I feel we should be ourselves which make others feel that we too belong to their world. On 10/2/11, Chetan Soni wrote: > My teachers clearly spoke and i noted down using braille. I feel that the > recording devices are the better option but braille is better than asking > someone to write down the notes. > - Original Message - > From: "Phen Varghese" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:50 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising > > >> If you want someone to help you to write what is tought in the class >> then there are two opptions. >> 1. Tell the teacher to write in your note book or tell her to tell >> someone to write for you . >> 2. By a digital recorder or a angel voice recorder. >> It will be useful. >> >> RGDS, >> >> Phen Varghese >> >> On 12/1/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>> Yeah, that is a good idea. >>> Even I was thinking that I should do that after 12th. >>> Usually, when the sighted escort is not available, I go with my driver >>> only. >>> A driver is more than enough. >>> But the only problem is that I need someone to note down what is >>> taught in the class. >>> >>> On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>> Good Rahul. >>>> My theory about escorts says that totally blind person should opt for >>>> escort >>>> if the escort is available, affordable and there are no privacy >>>> concerns. >>>> In your case, escort is available/affordable. >>>> But there are privacy concerns. >>>> >>>> However, Rahul, when you have a driver, I don't think you require a >>>> separate >>>> sighted escort. >>>> Driver can drop you wherever you wish and then mobility inside is not >>>> such >>>> a >>>> big issue. >>>> Friends and people around are sufficient. >>>> >>>> So, with a driver, I do not think you need a separate escort. >>>> >>>> Learning basic handling of cane etc. is of course called for. >>>> I advocate escorts mainly for outside mobility which is of course >>>> reduced >>>> in >>>> your case, since you use a private transport with a fixed driver. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:19 PM >>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >>>> >>>> Rajesh Sir, >>>> >>>> I completely agree with you. >>>> In fact, even I think that privacy can be an issue when one is with an >>>> escort. >>>> >>>> It is for this reason that I always try to ensure that my friends >>>> don't feel like they're being constantly scrutinized by an outsider. >>>> Once, when a very good sighted friend of mine had called me for his >>>> birthday party, I asked my sighted guide to drop me to the place where >>>> I and my friends were going to meet. >>>> I told him that I would call him after the party and asked him to wait >>>> in the car till then. >>>> >>>> On another occasion, when me and my friends went for a movie, I asked >>>> my sighted guide to drop me to my seat and to go and sit at a >>>> different place. >>>> >>>> Am I doing enough? >>>> Is there anything else that you can suggest to deal with this issue of >>>> privacy? >>>>
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My teachers clearly spoke and i noted down using braille. I feel that the recording devices are the better option but braille is better than asking someone to write down the notes. - Original Message - From: "Phen Varghese" To: Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising If you want someone to help you to write what is tought in the class then there are two opptions. 1. Tell the teacher to write in your note book or tell her to tell someone to write for you . 2. By a digital recorder or a angel voice recorder. It will be useful. RGDS, Phen Varghese On 12/1/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: Yeah, that is a good idea. Even I was thinking that I should do that after 12th. Usually, when the sighted escort is not available, I go with my driver only. A driver is more than enough. But the only problem is that I need someone to note down what is taught in the class. On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: Good Rahul. My theory about escorts says that totally blind person should opt for escort if the escort is available, affordable and there are no privacy concerns. In your case, escort is available/affordable. But there are privacy concerns. However, Rahul, when you have a driver, I don't think you require a separate sighted escort. Driver can drop you wherever you wish and then mobility inside is not such a big issue. Friends and people around are sufficient. So, with a driver, I do not think you need a separate escort. Learning basic handling of cane etc. is of course called for. I advocate escorts mainly for outside mobility which is of course reduced in your case, since you use a private transport with a fixed driver. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:19 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising Rajesh Sir, I completely agree with you. In fact, even I think that privacy can be an issue when one is with an escort. It is for this reason that I always try to ensure that my friends don't feel like they're being constantly scrutinized by an outsider. Once, when a very good sighted friend of mine had called me for his birthday party, I asked my sighted guide to drop me to the place where I and my friends were going to meet. I told him that I would call him after the party and asked him to wait in the car till then. On another occasion, when me and my friends went for a movie, I asked my sighted guide to drop me to my seat and to go and sit at a different place. Am I doing enough? Is there anything else that you can suggest to deal with this issue of privacy? BTW, which are the other requirements of your theory about desirability of escorts? :) On 01/12/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: Ravindra Sir, I really appreciate your suggestions. However, it would be wrong to assert that I'm concentrating on socialising at the cost of my studies. In fact, my parents and others who know me say that my main problem is that I study way too much :P Studies can only take you so far in life. Anyway, thank you for your wishes, and I'll keep your suggestions in mind. On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: Well, I can fully understand rahul's predicament. So, advice to concentrate on studies and so on is too, too moralistic and beside the point. Specifically Rahul, here the third requirement of my theorum about desirability of escorts is being violated, i.e. the constant sighted escort is intruding upon your privacy and your friends may not like it and consider you an intrusion. So, try to restrict your sighted escort to the essential tasks and not use him/her for collective activities such as outings with friends. I know you will have to work your way to it. All the best. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ravindra Jadhav Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 7:00 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising High Rahul, Why do you like someone's company? I fully agree with this sentence. I think first of all you concentrate more on your study. Best of luck for your HSC exam. Don't thinks negative. Now see how many reply come to you? These are all friends, so why are you worry? On 11/30/11, ekinath ekinath wrote: Hey Rahul, Got some time from office work so couldn't stop butting in. All brilliant points except one where there is a need mentioned for discussing it out with your friends. In my opinion, should not be done so, you will only seek sympathy and would emotionally induce your friends to hang out with you but they would not get convinced. DO it through action and performance. How? Buddy, think little practically by keeping aside depressing emotions for a little time. Why do you like someone's compa
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Well, about asking for help I would say: Everybody does it and we because are disabled, may ask for more at times. There is no guilt in it. Only thing is that our major life activities should not be totally dependent on such help, which more often than not become so dependent that we fail to live our life as we would like to live. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:07 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising Vamshi Sir, No, the sighted guide doesn't actually sit with me, but, yes, he does sit at another place in the class to take notes for me. However, the suggestions that you all have given about using a laptop or something similar are actually quite executable. In fact, I have myself been thinking about doing something along those lines after completing 12th. Anyway, they don't really give you a lot of stuff to write in college. I can also ask the teachers to give me a copy of their own notes. But the main thing that I need to change, if I wish to do these things, is my attitude. I have this feeling that I might unnecessarily bother someone by asking that person to help me. The only good thing is that I can at least openly say that these are the problems that I have. On 01/12/2011, Vamshi. G wrote: > Rahul, > > Now, this is something serious. Are you saying your sighted guide > sits with you in the class and takes down the notes? This is not > good, not just for your academics, but also from the socialising point > of view. > You write your mails without any mistakes. So, as others advised, Use > portable devices for your academics. Once you take a laptop with Jaws > installed and use it in your class, see how many friends you will be > getting. > > > On 12/1/11, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> Why don't you use the laptop to take down the notes? >> >> Or record them? >> Maybe, because the teachers don't vocalize all that they write on the >> blackboard, right? >> We have to press for it as it is the reasonable accommodation in >> education >> for blind... >> >> Anyway, all through my educational career, I hardly found notes given by >> teachers in the classroom worth noting down or preserving, and so never >> bothered to ask them to vocalize, even though some sweet-voiced madams >> did >> do it on their own... >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:46 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >> >> Yeah, that is a good idea. >> Even I was thinking that I should do that after 12th. >> Usually, when the sighted escort is not available, I go with my driver >> only. >> A driver is more than enough. >> But the only problem is that I need someone to note down what is >> taught in the class. >> >> On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>> Good Rahul. >>> My theory about escorts says that totally blind person should opt for >>> escort >>> if the escort is available, affordable and there are no privacy concerns. >>> In your case, escort is available/affordable. >>> But there are privacy concerns. >>> >>> However, Rahul, when you have a driver, I don't think you require a >>> separate >>> sighted escort. >>> Driver can drop you wherever you wish and then mobility inside is not >>> such >>> a >>> big issue. >>> Friends and people around are sufficient. >>> >>> So, with a driver, I do not think you need a separate escort. >>> >>> Learning basic handling of cane etc. is of course called for. >>> I advocate escorts mainly for outside mobility which is of course reduced >>> in >>> your case, since you use a private transport with a fixed driver. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj >>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:19 PM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >>> >>> Rajesh Sir, >>> >>> I completely agree with you. >>> In fact, even I think that privacy can be an issue when one is with an >>> escort. >>> >>> It is for this reason that I always try to ensure that my
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Rahul I don't have any special recorder but I use my phone to record lectures On 12/1/11, Pamnani wrote: > Rahul, get rid of him immediately. Dont even wait for next February or > March. > You have heard from everyone and you agree so take theplunge. Dont waste > time. > Kanchan Pamnani > Advocate & Solicitor > 9, Suleman Chambers, > Battery Street, Colaba, > Mumbai - 400 039. > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Rahul Bajaj" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:06 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising > > >> Vamshi Sir, >> >> No, the sighted guide doesn't actually sit with me, but, yes, he does >> sit at another place in the class to take notes for me. >> However, the suggestions that you all have given about using a laptop >> or something similar are actually quite executable. >> In fact, I have myself been thinking about doing something along those >> lines after completing 12th. >> Anyway, they don't really give you a lot of stuff to write in college. >> I can also ask the teachers to give me a copy of their own notes. >> >> But the main thing that I need to change, if I wish to do these >> things, is my attitude. >> I have this feeling that I might unnecessarily bother someone by >> asking that person to help me. >> The only good thing is that I can at least openly say that these are >> the problems that I have. >> >> >> On 01/12/2011, Vamshi. G wrote: >>> Rahul, >>> >>> Now, this is something serious. Are you saying your sighted guide >>> sits with you in the class and takes down the notes? This is not >>> good, not just for your academics, but also from the socialising point >>> of view. >>> You write your mails without any mistakes. So, as others advised, Use >>> portable devices for your academics. Once you take a laptop with Jaws >>> installed and use it in your class, see how many friends you will be >>> getting. >>> >>> >>> On 12/1/11, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>> Why don't you use the laptop to take down the notes? >>>> >>>> Or record them? >>>> Maybe, because the teachers don't vocalize all that they write on the >>>> blackboard, right? >>>> We have to press for it as it is the reasonable accommodation in >>>> education >>>> for blind... >>>> >>>> Anyway, all through my educational career, I hardly found notes given >>>> by >>>> teachers in the classroom worth noting down or preserving, and so never >>>> bothered to ask them to vocalize, even though some sweet-voiced madams >>>> did >>>> do it on their own... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:46 PM >>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >>>> >>>> Yeah, that is a good idea. >>>> Even I was thinking that I should do that after 12th. >>>> Usually, when the sighted escort is not available, I go with my driver >>>> only. >>>> A driver is more than enough. >>>> But the only problem is that I need someone to note down what is >>>> taught in the class. >>>> >>>> On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>>> Good Rahul. >>>>> My theory about escorts says that totally blind person should opt for >>>>> escort >>>>> if the escort is available, affordable and there are no privacy >>>>> concerns. >>>>> In your case, escort is available/affordable. >>>>> But there are privacy concerns. >>>>> >>>>> However, Rahul, when you have a driver, I don't think you require a >>>>> separate >>>>> sighted escort. >>>>> Driver can drop you wherever you wish and then mobility inside is not >>>>> such >>>>> a >>>>> big issue. >>>>> Friends and people around are sufficient. >>>>> >>>>> So, with a driver, I do not think you need a separate escort. >>>>> >>>>> Learning basic handling of cane etc. is of course called for. >>>>> I advocate escorts mainly for outside mobility which is of cours
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Rahul, get rid of him immediately. Dont even wait for next February or March. You have heard from everyone and you agree so take theplunge. Dont waste time. Kanchan Pamnani Advocate & Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: "Rahul Bajaj" To: Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising Vamshi Sir, No, the sighted guide doesn't actually sit with me, but, yes, he does sit at another place in the class to take notes for me. However, the suggestions that you all have given about using a laptop or something similar are actually quite executable. In fact, I have myself been thinking about doing something along those lines after completing 12th. Anyway, they don't really give you a lot of stuff to write in college. I can also ask the teachers to give me a copy of their own notes. But the main thing that I need to change, if I wish to do these things, is my attitude. I have this feeling that I might unnecessarily bother someone by asking that person to help me. The only good thing is that I can at least openly say that these are the problems that I have. On 01/12/2011, Vamshi. G wrote: Rahul, Now, this is something serious. Are you saying your sighted guide sits with you in the class and takes down the notes? This is not good, not just for your academics, but also from the socialising point of view. You write your mails without any mistakes. So, as others advised, Use portable devices for your academics. Once you take a laptop with Jaws installed and use it in your class, see how many friends you will be getting. On 12/1/11, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: Why don't you use the laptop to take down the notes? Or record them? Maybe, because the teachers don't vocalize all that they write on the blackboard, right? We have to press for it as it is the reasonable accommodation in education for blind... Anyway, all through my educational career, I hardly found notes given by teachers in the classroom worth noting down or preserving, and so never bothered to ask them to vocalize, even though some sweet-voiced madams did do it on their own... -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:46 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising Yeah, that is a good idea. Even I was thinking that I should do that after 12th. Usually, when the sighted escort is not available, I go with my driver only. A driver is more than enough. But the only problem is that I need someone to note down what is taught in the class. On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: Good Rahul. My theory about escorts says that totally blind person should opt for escort if the escort is available, affordable and there are no privacy concerns. In your case, escort is available/affordable. But there are privacy concerns. However, Rahul, when you have a driver, I don't think you require a separate sighted escort. Driver can drop you wherever you wish and then mobility inside is not such a big issue. Friends and people around are sufficient. So, with a driver, I do not think you need a separate escort. Learning basic handling of cane etc. is of course called for. I advocate escorts mainly for outside mobility which is of course reduced in your case, since you use a private transport with a fixed driver. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:19 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising Rajesh Sir, I completely agree with you. In fact, even I think that privacy can be an issue when one is with an escort. It is for this reason that I always try to ensure that my friends don't feel like they're being constantly scrutinized by an outsider. Once, when a very good sighted friend of mine had called me for his birthday party, I asked my sighted guide to drop me to the place where I and my friends were going to meet. I told him that I would call him after the party and asked him to wait in the car till then. On another occasion, when me and my friends went for a movie, I asked my sighted guide to drop me to my seat and to go and sit at a different place. Am I doing enough? Is there anything else that you can suggest to deal with this issue of privacy? BTW, which are the other requirements of your theory about desirability of escorts? :) On 01/12/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: Ravindra Sir, I really appreciate your suggestions. However, it would be wrong to assert that I'm concentrating on socialising at the cost of my studies. In fact, my parents and others who know me say that my main problem is that I study way too much :P Studies can only take you
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Rahul, You should be taking your own notes. Try the netbooks from Saksham. Do you own the Plextalk player? If so, you can make audio only DAISY books on the fly by recording what the teacher says. This may be a good way to start. Look at people around you. Everyone requires help for something or another. As for asking the teacher for notes, forget it. They may share them with you but in an inaccessible format so your dependency increases. Pranav Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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even I am totally agree with you Vamshi sir when I used to be in school I have told you earlier that I was 0 in mobility but now I have started to seek help from others and I feel so much contented with my self when I reach to a place without a fix escort it is a boost to our confidence regards On 12/1/11, Vamshi. G wrote: > Hi Rahul, > > I can say both of us are sailing in the same boat, except that I am > sitting at the front end of the boat and you at the back end, i.e., I > am slightly experienced than you. It's only recently that I've > started asking help from others(sometimes strangers too) leaving the > early inhibitions, and believe me, I'm finding it very useful. We > feel we might be troubling others by asking help, but they will be > happy to help us. And it's in this way that relationships develop. > > Second, I always feel acceptance of problem is the first step towards > finding out solutions. Since you have taken the first step, you will > find yourself in a more comfortable position in the very near future. > > Best > > > > On 12/1/11, Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala wrote: >> Many people feel like you do. But if you don't ask for help when >> required then it may be considered as attitude or ego by others who >> may be willing to help. Be frank and friendly to people and they would >> offer to help willingly. Don't consider yourself isolated or different >> from others - that's what causes the communication gap and an >> unfriendly environment. >> >> The use of laptop or netbook or a QWERT phone is a brilliant step to >> make yourself independent for notes taking. You can record the lecture >> with their permission and take down notes simultaneously. My nephew >> Hozefa (he is an AI member too) does it successfully using his netbook >> in his college and coaching class. >> >> On 12/1/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>> Vamshi Sir, >>> >>> No, the sighted guide doesn't actually sit with me, but, yes, he does >>> sit at another place in the class to take notes for me. >>> However, the suggestions that you all have given about using a laptop >>> or something similar are actually quite executable. >>> In fact, I have myself been thinking about doing something along those >>> lines after completing 12th. >>> Anyway, they don't really give you a lot of stuff to write in college. >>> I can also ask the teachers to give me a copy of their own notes. >>> >>> But the main thing that I need to change, if I wish to do these >>> things, is my attitude. >>> I have this feeling that I might unnecessarily bother someone by >>> asking that person to help me. >>> The only good thing is that I can at least openly say that these are >>> the problems that I have. >>> >>> >>> On 01/12/2011, Vamshi. G wrote: >>>> Rahul, >>>> >>>> Now, this is something serious. Are you saying your sighted guide >>>> sits with you in the class and takes down the notes? This is not >>>> good, not just for your academics, but also from the socialising point >>>> of view. >>>> You write your mails without any mistakes. So, as others advised, Use >>>> portable devices for your academics. Once you take a laptop with Jaws >>>> installed and use it in your class, see how many friends you will be >>>> getting. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/1/11, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>>> Why don't you use the laptop to take down the notes? >>>>> >>>>> Or record them? >>>>> Maybe, because the teachers don't vocalize all that they write on the >>>>> blackboard, right? >>>>> We have to press for it as it is the reasonable accommodation in >>>>> education >>>>> for blind... >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, all through my educational career, I hardly found notes given >>>>> by >>>>> teachers in the classroom worth noting down or preserving, and so never >>>>> bothered to ask them to vocalize, even though some sweet-voiced madams >>>>> did >>>>> do it on their own... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul >>>>> Bajaj >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:46 PM >>>&
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Hi Rahul, I can say both of us are sailing in the same boat, except that I am sitting at the front end of the boat and you at the back end, i.e., I am slightly experienced than you. It's only recently that I've started asking help from others(sometimes strangers too) leaving the early inhibitions, and believe me, I'm finding it very useful. We feel we might be troubling others by asking help, but they will be happy to help us. And it's in this way that relationships develop. Second, I always feel acceptance of problem is the first step towards finding out solutions. Since you have taken the first step, you will find yourself in a more comfortable position in the very near future. Best On 12/1/11, Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala wrote: > Many people feel like you do. But if you don't ask for help when > required then it may be considered as attitude or ego by others who > may be willing to help. Be frank and friendly to people and they would > offer to help willingly. Don't consider yourself isolated or different > from others - that's what causes the communication gap and an > unfriendly environment. > > The use of laptop or netbook or a QWERT phone is a brilliant step to > make yourself independent for notes taking. You can record the lecture > with their permission and take down notes simultaneously. My nephew > Hozefa (he is an AI member too) does it successfully using his netbook > in his college and coaching class. > > On 12/1/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >> Vamshi Sir, >> >> No, the sighted guide doesn't actually sit with me, but, yes, he does >> sit at another place in the class to take notes for me. >> However, the suggestions that you all have given about using a laptop >> or something similar are actually quite executable. >> In fact, I have myself been thinking about doing something along those >> lines after completing 12th. >> Anyway, they don't really give you a lot of stuff to write in college. >> I can also ask the teachers to give me a copy of their own notes. >> >> But the main thing that I need to change, if I wish to do these >> things, is my attitude. >> I have this feeling that I might unnecessarily bother someone by >> asking that person to help me. >> The only good thing is that I can at least openly say that these are >> the problems that I have. >> >> >> On 01/12/2011, Vamshi. G wrote: >>> Rahul, >>> >>> Now, this is something serious. Are you saying your sighted guide >>> sits with you in the class and takes down the notes? This is not >>> good, not just for your academics, but also from the socialising point >>> of view. >>> You write your mails without any mistakes. So, as others advised, Use >>> portable devices for your academics. Once you take a laptop with Jaws >>> installed and use it in your class, see how many friends you will be >>> getting. >>> >>> >>> On 12/1/11, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>> Why don't you use the laptop to take down the notes? >>>> >>>> Or record them? >>>> Maybe, because the teachers don't vocalize all that they write on the >>>> blackboard, right? >>>> We have to press for it as it is the reasonable accommodation in >>>> education >>>> for blind... >>>> >>>> Anyway, all through my educational career, I hardly found notes given >>>> by >>>> teachers in the classroom worth noting down or preserving, and so never >>>> bothered to ask them to vocalize, even though some sweet-voiced madams >>>> did >>>> do it on their own... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:46 PM >>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >>>> >>>> Yeah, that is a good idea. >>>> Even I was thinking that I should do that after 12th. >>>> Usually, when the sighted escort is not available, I go with my driver >>>> only. >>>> A driver is more than enough. >>>> But the only problem is that I need someone to note down what is >>>> taught in the class. >>>> >>>> On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>>> Good Rahul. >>>>> My theory about escorts says that totally blind person should opt for >>
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Many people feel like you do. But if you don't ask for help when required then it may be considered as attitude or ego by others who may be willing to help. Be frank and friendly to people and they would offer to help willingly. Don't consider yourself isolated or different from others - that's what causes the communication gap and an unfriendly environment. The use of laptop or netbook or a QWERT phone is a brilliant step to make yourself independent for notes taking. You can record the lecture with their permission and take down notes simultaneously. My nephew Hozefa (he is an AI member too) does it successfully using his netbook in his college and coaching class. On 12/1/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > Vamshi Sir, > > No, the sighted guide doesn't actually sit with me, but, yes, he does > sit at another place in the class to take notes for me. > However, the suggestions that you all have given about using a laptop > or something similar are actually quite executable. > In fact, I have myself been thinking about doing something along those > lines after completing 12th. > Anyway, they don't really give you a lot of stuff to write in college. > I can also ask the teachers to give me a copy of their own notes. > > But the main thing that I need to change, if I wish to do these > things, is my attitude. > I have this feeling that I might unnecessarily bother someone by > asking that person to help me. > The only good thing is that I can at least openly say that these are > the problems that I have. > > > On 01/12/2011, Vamshi. G wrote: >> Rahul, >> >> Now, this is something serious. Are you saying your sighted guide >> sits with you in the class and takes down the notes? This is not >> good, not just for your academics, but also from the socialising point >> of view. >> You write your mails without any mistakes. So, as others advised, Use >> portable devices for your academics. Once you take a laptop with Jaws >> installed and use it in your class, see how many friends you will be >> getting. >> >> >> On 12/1/11, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>> Why don't you use the laptop to take down the notes? >>> >>> Or record them? >>> Maybe, because the teachers don't vocalize all that they write on the >>> blackboard, right? >>> We have to press for it as it is the reasonable accommodation in >>> education >>> for blind... >>> >>> Anyway, all through my educational career, I hardly found notes given by >>> teachers in the classroom worth noting down or preserving, and so never >>> bothered to ask them to vocalize, even though some sweet-voiced madams >>> did >>> do it on their own... >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj >>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:46 PM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >>> >>> Yeah, that is a good idea. >>> Even I was thinking that I should do that after 12th. >>> Usually, when the sighted escort is not available, I go with my driver >>> only. >>> A driver is more than enough. >>> But the only problem is that I need someone to note down what is >>> taught in the class. >>> >>> On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>> Good Rahul. >>>> My theory about escorts says that totally blind person should opt for >>>> escort >>>> if the escort is available, affordable and there are no privacy >>>> concerns. >>>> In your case, escort is available/affordable. >>>> But there are privacy concerns. >>>> >>>> However, Rahul, when you have a driver, I don't think you require a >>>> separate >>>> sighted escort. >>>> Driver can drop you wherever you wish and then mobility inside is not >>>> such >>>> a >>>> big issue. >>>> Friends and people around are sufficient. >>>> >>>> So, with a driver, I do not think you need a separate escort. >>>> >>>> Learning basic handling of cane etc. is of course called for. >>>> I advocate escorts mainly for outside mobility which is of course >>>> reduced >>>> in >>>> your case, since you use a private transport with a fixed driver. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From
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Vamshi Sir, No, the sighted guide doesn't actually sit with me, but, yes, he does sit at another place in the class to take notes for me. However, the suggestions that you all have given about using a laptop or something similar are actually quite executable. In fact, I have myself been thinking about doing something along those lines after completing 12th. Anyway, they don't really give you a lot of stuff to write in college. I can also ask the teachers to give me a copy of their own notes. But the main thing that I need to change, if I wish to do these things, is my attitude. I have this feeling that I might unnecessarily bother someone by asking that person to help me. The only good thing is that I can at least openly say that these are the problems that I have. On 01/12/2011, Vamshi. G wrote: > Rahul, > > Now, this is something serious. Are you saying your sighted guide > sits with you in the class and takes down the notes? This is not > good, not just for your academics, but also from the socialising point > of view. > You write your mails without any mistakes. So, as others advised, Use > portable devices for your academics. Once you take a laptop with Jaws > installed and use it in your class, see how many friends you will be > getting. > > > On 12/1/11, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> Why don't you use the laptop to take down the notes? >> >> Or record them? >> Maybe, because the teachers don't vocalize all that they write on the >> blackboard, right? >> We have to press for it as it is the reasonable accommodation in >> education >> for blind... >> >> Anyway, all through my educational career, I hardly found notes given by >> teachers in the classroom worth noting down or preserving, and so never >> bothered to ask them to vocalize, even though some sweet-voiced madams >> did >> do it on their own... >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:46 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >> >> Yeah, that is a good idea. >> Even I was thinking that I should do that after 12th. >> Usually, when the sighted escort is not available, I go with my driver >> only. >> A driver is more than enough. >> But the only problem is that I need someone to note down what is >> taught in the class. >> >> On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>> Good Rahul. >>> My theory about escorts says that totally blind person should opt for >>> escort >>> if the escort is available, affordable and there are no privacy concerns. >>> In your case, escort is available/affordable. >>> But there are privacy concerns. >>> >>> However, Rahul, when you have a driver, I don't think you require a >>> separate >>> sighted escort. >>> Driver can drop you wherever you wish and then mobility inside is not >>> such >>> a >>> big issue. >>> Friends and people around are sufficient. >>> >>> So, with a driver, I do not think you need a separate escort. >>> >>> Learning basic handling of cane etc. is of course called for. >>> I advocate escorts mainly for outside mobility which is of course reduced >>> in >>> your case, since you use a private transport with a fixed driver. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj >>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:19 PM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >>> >>> Rajesh Sir, >>> >>> I completely agree with you. >>> In fact, even I think that privacy can be an issue when one is with an >>> escort. >>> >>> It is for this reason that I always try to ensure that my friends >>> don't feel like they're being constantly scrutinized by an outsider. >>> Once, when a very good sighted friend of mine had called me for his >>> birthday party, I asked my sighted guide to drop me to the place where >>> I and my friends were going to meet. >>> I told him that I would call him after the party and asked him to wait >>> in the car till then. >>> >>> On another occasion, when me and my friends went for a movie, I asked >>> my sighted guide to drop me to my seat and to g
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Rahul, Now, this is something serious. Are you saying your sighted guide sits with you in the class and takes down the notes? This is not good, not just for your academics, but also from the socialising point of view. You write your mails without any mistakes. So, as others advised, Use portable devices for your academics. Once you take a laptop with Jaws installed and use it in your class, see how many friends you will be getting. On 12/1/11, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > Why don't you use the laptop to take down the notes? > > Or record them? > Maybe, because the teachers don't vocalize all that they write on the > blackboard, right? > We have to press for it as it is the reasonable accommodation in education > for blind... > > Anyway, all through my educational career, I hardly found notes given by > teachers in the classroom worth noting down or preserving, and so never > bothered to ask them to vocalize, even though some sweet-voiced madams did > do it on their own... > > > > -Original Message- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:46 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising > > Yeah, that is a good idea. > Even I was thinking that I should do that after 12th. > Usually, when the sighted escort is not available, I go with my driver > only. > A driver is more than enough. > But the only problem is that I need someone to note down what is > taught in the class. > > On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> Good Rahul. >> My theory about escorts says that totally blind person should opt for >> escort >> if the escort is available, affordable and there are no privacy concerns. >> In your case, escort is available/affordable. >> But there are privacy concerns. >> >> However, Rahul, when you have a driver, I don't think you require a >> separate >> sighted escort. >> Driver can drop you wherever you wish and then mobility inside is not such >> a >> big issue. >> Friends and people around are sufficient. >> >> So, with a driver, I do not think you need a separate escort. >> >> Learning basic handling of cane etc. is of course called for. >> I advocate escorts mainly for outside mobility which is of course reduced >> in >> your case, since you use a private transport with a fixed driver. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:19 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >> >> Rajesh Sir, >> >> I completely agree with you. >> In fact, even I think that privacy can be an issue when one is with an >> escort. >> >> It is for this reason that I always try to ensure that my friends >> don't feel like they're being constantly scrutinized by an outsider. >> Once, when a very good sighted friend of mine had called me for his >> birthday party, I asked my sighted guide to drop me to the place where >> I and my friends were going to meet. >> I told him that I would call him after the party and asked him to wait >> in the car till then. >> >> On another occasion, when me and my friends went for a movie, I asked >> my sighted guide to drop me to my seat and to go and sit at a >> different place. >> >> Am I doing enough? >> Is there anything else that you can suggest to deal with this issue of >> privacy? >> >> BTW, which are the other requirements of your theory about >> desirability of escorts? :) >> >> >> >> >> >> On 01/12/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>> Ravindra Sir, >>> >>> I really appreciate your suggestions. >>> However, it would be wrong to assert that I'm concentrating on >>> socialising at the cost of my studies. >>> In fact, my parents and others who know me say that my main problem >>> is that I study way too much :P >>> Studies can only take you so far in life. >>> Anyway, thank you for your wishes, and I'll keep your suggestions in >>> mind. >>> >>> On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>> Well, I can fully understand rahul's predicament. >>>> So, advice to concentrate on studies and so on is too, too moralistic >>>> and >>>> beside the point. >>>> >>>> Specifically Rahul, here th
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Why don't you use the laptop to take down the notes? Or record them? Maybe, because the teachers don't vocalize all that they write on the blackboard, right? We have to press for it as it is the reasonable accommodation in education for blind... Anyway, all through my educational career, I hardly found notes given by teachers in the classroom worth noting down or preserving, and so never bothered to ask them to vocalize, even though some sweet-voiced madams did do it on their own... -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:46 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising Yeah, that is a good idea. Even I was thinking that I should do that after 12th. Usually, when the sighted escort is not available, I go with my driver only. A driver is more than enough. But the only problem is that I need someone to note down what is taught in the class. On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > Good Rahul. > My theory about escorts says that totally blind person should opt for escort > if the escort is available, affordable and there are no privacy concerns. > In your case, escort is available/affordable. > But there are privacy concerns. > > However, Rahul, when you have a driver, I don't think you require a separate > sighted escort. > Driver can drop you wherever you wish and then mobility inside is not such a > big issue. > Friends and people around are sufficient. > > So, with a driver, I do not think you need a separate escort. > > Learning basic handling of cane etc. is of course called for. > I advocate escorts mainly for outside mobility which is of course reduced in > your case, since you use a private transport with a fixed driver. > > > > -Original Message- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:19 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising > > Rajesh Sir, > > I completely agree with you. > In fact, even I think that privacy can be an issue when one is with an > escort. > > It is for this reason that I always try to ensure that my friends > don't feel like they're being constantly scrutinized by an outsider. > Once, when a very good sighted friend of mine had called me for his > birthday party, I asked my sighted guide to drop me to the place where > I and my friends were going to meet. > I told him that I would call him after the party and asked him to wait > in the car till then. > > On another occasion, when me and my friends went for a movie, I asked > my sighted guide to drop me to my seat and to go and sit at a > different place. > > Am I doing enough? > Is there anything else that you can suggest to deal with this issue of > privacy? > > BTW, which are the other requirements of your theory about > desirability of escorts? :) > > > > > > On 01/12/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >> Ravindra Sir, >> >> I really appreciate your suggestions. >> However, it would be wrong to assert that I'm concentrating on >> socialising at the cost of my studies. >> In fact, my parents and others who know me say that my main problem >> is that I study way too much :P >> Studies can only take you so far in life. >> Anyway, thank you for your wishes, and I'll keep your suggestions in mind. >> >> On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>> Well, I can fully understand rahul's predicament. >>> So, advice to concentrate on studies and so on is too, too moralistic and >>> beside the point. >>> >>> Specifically Rahul, here the third requirement of my theorum about >>> desirability of escorts is being violated, i.e. the constant sighted >>> escort >>> is intruding upon your privacy and your friends may not like it and >>> consider >>> you an intrusion. >>> So, try to restrict your sighted escort to the essential tasks and not >>> use >>> him/her for collective activities such as outings with friends. >>> I know you will have to work your way to it. >>> All the best. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ravindra >>> Jadhav >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 7:00 PM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >>> >>> High Rahul, >>> Why do you like
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Hi Rahul, Since you are 10+, fortaking notes, I think, I would suggest you to get a net book, very easy to carry and you can take every notes on your own. Perhaps, you can request your teacher to read along while she /he are writing on the board. My teachers used to do that for me. Hope this helps. All the best. -Srinivasu -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Phen Varghese Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:50 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising If you want someone to help you to write what is tought in the class then there are two opptions. 1. Tell the teacher to write in your note book or tell her to tell someone to write for you . 2. By a digital recorder or a angel voice recorder. It will be useful. RGDS, Phen Varghese On 12/1/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > Yeah, that is a good idea. > Even I was thinking that I should do that after 12th. > Usually, when the sighted escort is not available, I go with my driver > only. > A driver is more than enough. > But the only problem is that I need someone to note down what is > taught in the class. > > On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> Good Rahul. >> My theory about escorts says that totally blind person should opt for >> escort >> if the escort is available, affordable and there are no privacy concerns. >> In your case, escort is available/affordable. >> But there are privacy concerns. >> >> However, Rahul, when you have a driver, I don't think you require a >> separate >> sighted escort. >> Driver can drop you wherever you wish and then mobility inside is not such >> a >> big issue. >> Friends and people around are sufficient. >> >> So, with a driver, I do not think you need a separate escort. >> >> Learning basic handling of cane etc. is of course called for. >> I advocate escorts mainly for outside mobility which is of course reduced >> in >> your case, since you use a private transport with a fixed driver. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:19 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >> >> Rajesh Sir, >> >> I completely agree with you. >> In fact, even I think that privacy can be an issue when one is with an >> escort. >> >> It is for this reason that I always try to ensure that my friends >> don't feel like they're being constantly scrutinized by an outsider. >> Once, when a very good sighted friend of mine had called me for his >> birthday party, I asked my sighted guide to drop me to the place where >> I and my friends were going to meet. >> I told him that I would call him after the party and asked him to wait >> in the car till then. >> >> On another occasion, when me and my friends went for a movie, I asked >> my sighted guide to drop me to my seat and to go and sit at a >> different place. >> >> Am I doing enough? >> Is there anything else that you can suggest to deal with this issue of >> privacy? >> >> BTW, which are the other requirements of your theory about >> desirability of escorts? :) >> >> >> >> >> >> On 01/12/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>> Ravindra Sir, >>> >>> I really appreciate your suggestions. >>> However, it would be wrong to assert that I'm concentrating on >>> socialising at the cost of my studies. >>> In fact, my parents and others who know me say that my main problem >>> is that I study way too much :P >>> Studies can only take you so far in life. >>> Anyway, thank you for your wishes, and I'll keep your suggestions in >>> mind. >>> >>> On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>> Well, I can fully understand rahul's predicament. >>>> So, advice to concentrate on studies and so on is too, too moralistic >>>> and >>>> beside the point. >>>> >>>> Specifically Rahul, here the third requirement of my theorum about >>>> desirability of escorts is being violated, i.e. the constant sighted >>>> escort >>>> is intruding upon your privacy and your friends may not like it and >>>> consider >>>> you an intrusion. >>>> So, try to restrict your sighted escort to the essential tasks and not >>>> use >>>> him/her for col
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If you want someone to help you to write what is tought in the class then there are two opptions. 1. Tell the teacher to write in your note book or tell her to tell someone to write for you . 2. By a digital recorder or a angel voice recorder. It will be useful. RGDS, Phen Varghese On 12/1/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > Yeah, that is a good idea. > Even I was thinking that I should do that after 12th. > Usually, when the sighted escort is not available, I go with my driver > only. > A driver is more than enough. > But the only problem is that I need someone to note down what is > taught in the class. > > On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> Good Rahul. >> My theory about escorts says that totally blind person should opt for >> escort >> if the escort is available, affordable and there are no privacy concerns. >> In your case, escort is available/affordable. >> But there are privacy concerns. >> >> However, Rahul, when you have a driver, I don't think you require a >> separate >> sighted escort. >> Driver can drop you wherever you wish and then mobility inside is not such >> a >> big issue. >> Friends and people around are sufficient. >> >> So, with a driver, I do not think you need a separate escort. >> >> Learning basic handling of cane etc. is of course called for. >> I advocate escorts mainly for outside mobility which is of course reduced >> in >> your case, since you use a private transport with a fixed driver. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:19 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >> >> Rajesh Sir, >> >> I completely agree with you. >> In fact, even I think that privacy can be an issue when one is with an >> escort. >> >> It is for this reason that I always try to ensure that my friends >> don't feel like they're being constantly scrutinized by an outsider. >> Once, when a very good sighted friend of mine had called me for his >> birthday party, I asked my sighted guide to drop me to the place where >> I and my friends were going to meet. >> I told him that I would call him after the party and asked him to wait >> in the car till then. >> >> On another occasion, when me and my friends went for a movie, I asked >> my sighted guide to drop me to my seat and to go and sit at a >> different place. >> >> Am I doing enough? >> Is there anything else that you can suggest to deal with this issue of >> privacy? >> >> BTW, which are the other requirements of your theory about >> desirability of escorts? :) >> >> >> >> >> >> On 01/12/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>> Ravindra Sir, >>> >>> I really appreciate your suggestions. >>> However, it would be wrong to assert that I'm concentrating on >>> socialising at the cost of my studies. >>> In fact, my parents and others who know me say that my main problem >>> is that I study way too much :P >>> Studies can only take you so far in life. >>> Anyway, thank you for your wishes, and I'll keep your suggestions in >>> mind. >>> >>> On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>> Well, I can fully understand rahul's predicament. >>>> So, advice to concentrate on studies and so on is too, too moralistic >>>> and >>>> beside the point. >>>> >>>> Specifically Rahul, here the third requirement of my theorum about >>>> desirability of escorts is being violated, i.e. the constant sighted >>>> escort >>>> is intruding upon your privacy and your friends may not like it and >>>> consider >>>> you an intrusion. >>>> So, try to restrict your sighted escort to the essential tasks and not >>>> use >>>> him/her for collective activities such as outings with friends. >>>> I know you will have to work your way to it. >>>> All the best. >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ravindra >>>> Jadhav >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 7:00 PM >>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >>>> >>>>
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Yeah, that is a good idea. Even I was thinking that I should do that after 12th. Usually, when the sighted escort is not available, I go with my driver only. A driver is more than enough. But the only problem is that I need someone to note down what is taught in the class. On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > Good Rahul. > My theory about escorts says that totally blind person should opt for escort > if the escort is available, affordable and there are no privacy concerns. > In your case, escort is available/affordable. > But there are privacy concerns. > > However, Rahul, when you have a driver, I don't think you require a separate > sighted escort. > Driver can drop you wherever you wish and then mobility inside is not such a > big issue. > Friends and people around are sufficient. > > So, with a driver, I do not think you need a separate escort. > > Learning basic handling of cane etc. is of course called for. > I advocate escorts mainly for outside mobility which is of course reduced in > your case, since you use a private transport with a fixed driver. > > > > -Original Message- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:19 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising > > Rajesh Sir, > > I completely agree with you. > In fact, even I think that privacy can be an issue when one is with an > escort. > > It is for this reason that I always try to ensure that my friends > don't feel like they're being constantly scrutinized by an outsider. > Once, when a very good sighted friend of mine had called me for his > birthday party, I asked my sighted guide to drop me to the place where > I and my friends were going to meet. > I told him that I would call him after the party and asked him to wait > in the car till then. > > On another occasion, when me and my friends went for a movie, I asked > my sighted guide to drop me to my seat and to go and sit at a > different place. > > Am I doing enough? > Is there anything else that you can suggest to deal with this issue of > privacy? > > BTW, which are the other requirements of your theory about > desirability of escorts? :) > > > > > > On 01/12/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >> Ravindra Sir, >> >> I really appreciate your suggestions. >> However, it would be wrong to assert that I'm concentrating on >> socialising at the cost of my studies. >> In fact, my parents and others who know me say that my main problem >> is that I study way too much :P >> Studies can only take you so far in life. >> Anyway, thank you for your wishes, and I'll keep your suggestions in mind. >> >> On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>> Well, I can fully understand rahul's predicament. >>> So, advice to concentrate on studies and so on is too, too moralistic and >>> beside the point. >>> >>> Specifically Rahul, here the third requirement of my theorum about >>> desirability of escorts is being violated, i.e. the constant sighted >>> escort >>> is intruding upon your privacy and your friends may not like it and >>> consider >>> you an intrusion. >>> So, try to restrict your sighted escort to the essential tasks and not >>> use >>> him/her for collective activities such as outings with friends. >>> I know you will have to work your way to it. >>> All the best. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ravindra >>> Jadhav >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 7:00 PM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >>> >>> High Rahul, >>> Why do you like someone's company? >>> I fully agree with this sentence. >>> I think first of all you concentrate more on your study. >>> Best of luck for your HSC exam. >>> Don't thinks negative. >>> Now see how many reply come to you? >>> These are all friends, so why are you worry? >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/30/11, ekinath ekinath wrote: >>>> Hey Rahul, >>>> >>>> Got some time from office work so couldn't stop butting in. >>>> >>>> All brilliant points except one where there is a need mentioned for >>>> discussing it out with your friends. In my opinion, should not be done >>>> so, y
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Good Rahul. My theory about escorts says that totally blind person should opt for escort if the escort is available, affordable and there are no privacy concerns. In your case, escort is available/affordable. But there are privacy concerns. However, Rahul, when you have a driver, I don't think you require a separate sighted escort. Driver can drop you wherever you wish and then mobility inside is not such a big issue. Friends and people around are sufficient. So, with a driver, I do not think you need a separate escort. Learning basic handling of cane etc. is of course called for. I advocate escorts mainly for outside mobility which is of course reduced in your case, since you use a private transport with a fixed driver. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:19 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising Rajesh Sir, I completely agree with you. In fact, even I think that privacy can be an issue when one is with an escort. It is for this reason that I always try to ensure that my friends don't feel like they're being constantly scrutinized by an outsider. Once, when a very good sighted friend of mine had called me for his birthday party, I asked my sighted guide to drop me to the place where I and my friends were going to meet. I told him that I would call him after the party and asked him to wait in the car till then. On another occasion, when me and my friends went for a movie, I asked my sighted guide to drop me to my seat and to go and sit at a different place. Am I doing enough? Is there anything else that you can suggest to deal with this issue of privacy? BTW, which are the other requirements of your theory about desirability of escorts? :) On 01/12/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > Ravindra Sir, > > I really appreciate your suggestions. > However, it would be wrong to assert that I'm concentrating on > socialising at the cost of my studies. > In fact, my parents and others who know me say that my main problem > is that I study way too much :P > Studies can only take you so far in life. > Anyway, thank you for your wishes, and I'll keep your suggestions in mind. > > On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> Well, I can fully understand rahul's predicament. >> So, advice to concentrate on studies and so on is too, too moralistic and >> beside the point. >> >> Specifically Rahul, here the third requirement of my theorum about >> desirability of escorts is being violated, i.e. the constant sighted >> escort >> is intruding upon your privacy and your friends may not like it and >> consider >> you an intrusion. >> So, try to restrict your sighted escort to the essential tasks and not >> use >> him/her for collective activities such as outings with friends. >> I know you will have to work your way to it. >> All the best. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ravindra >> Jadhav >> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 7:00 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >> >> High Rahul, >> Why do you like someone's company? >> I fully agree with this sentence. >> I think first of all you concentrate more on your study. >> Best of luck for your HSC exam. >> Don't thinks negative. >> Now see how many reply come to you? >> These are all friends, so why are you worry? >> >> >> >> On 11/30/11, ekinath ekinath wrote: >>> Hey Rahul, >>> >>> Got some time from office work so couldn't stop butting in. >>> >>> All brilliant points except one where there is a need mentioned for >>> discussing it out with your friends. In my opinion, should not be done >>> so, you will only seek sympathy and would emotionally induce your >>> friends to hang out with you but they would not get convinced. DO it >>> through action and performance. >>> >>> How? >>> Buddy, think little practically by keeping aside depressing emotions >>> for a little time. Why do you like someone's company? >>> >>> Are you getting some answers? >>> It's your independence of mobility, body language, personality, >>> talking skills, knowledge of relevant things, flexibility and >>> rendering help. Cheerful smile and sense of humor attract embrace from >>> people. >>> >>> You must be possessing many of above mentioned qualities. Capitalize >>>
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Rajesh Sir, I completely agree with you. In fact, even I think that privacy can be an issue when one is with an escort. It is for this reason that I always try to ensure that my friends don't feel like they're being constantly scrutinized by an outsider. Once, when a very good sighted friend of mine had called me for his birthday party, I asked my sighted guide to drop me to the place where I and my friends were going to meet. I told him that I would call him after the party and asked him to wait in the car till then. On another occasion, when me and my friends went for a movie, I asked my sighted guide to drop me to my seat and to go and sit at a different place. Am I doing enough? Is there anything else that you can suggest to deal with this issue of privacy? BTW, which are the other requirements of your theory about desirability of escorts? :) On 01/12/2011, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > Ravindra Sir, > > I really appreciate your suggestions. > However, it would be wrong to assert that I'm concentrating on > socialising at the cost of my studies. > In fact, my parents and others who know me say that my main problem > is that I study way too much :P > Studies can only take you so far in life. > Anyway, thank you for your wishes, and I'll keep your suggestions in mind. > > On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> Well, I can fully understand rahul's predicament. >> So, advice to concentrate on studies and so on is too, too moralistic and >> beside the point. >> >> Specifically Rahul, here the third requirement of my theorum about >> desirability of escorts is being violated, i.e. the constant sighted >> escort >> is intruding upon your privacy and your friends may not like it and >> consider >> you an intrusion. >> So, try to restrict your sighted escort to the essential tasks and not >> use >> him/her for collective activities such as outings with friends. >> I know you will have to work your way to it. >> All the best. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ravindra >> Jadhav >> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 7:00 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >> >> High Rahul, >> Why do you like someone's company? >> I fully agree with this sentence. >> I think first of all you concentrate more on your study. >> Best of luck for your HSC exam. >> Don't thinks negative. >> Now see how many reply come to you? >> These are all friends, so why are you worry? >> >> >> >> On 11/30/11, ekinath ekinath wrote: >>> Hey Rahul, >>> >>> Got some time from office work so couldn't stop butting in. >>> >>> All brilliant points except one where there is a need mentioned for >>> discussing it out with your friends. In my opinion, should not be done >>> so, you will only seek sympathy and would emotionally induce your >>> friends to hang out with you but they would not get convinced. DO it >>> through action and performance. >>> >>> How? >>> Buddy, think little practically by keeping aside depressing emotions >>> for a little time. Why do you like someone's company? >>> >>> Are you getting some answers? >>> It's your independence of mobility, body language, personality, >>> talking skills, knowledge of relevant things, flexibility and >>> rendering help. Cheerful smile and sense of humor attract embrace from >>> people. >>> >>> You must be possessing many of above mentioned qualities. Capitalize >>> on it. People will not come to you unless they believe that you add >>> value to their lives in any which way. To be specific, try to >>> normalize your life style as much as you can with your mainstream >>> peers. >>> >>> You should be at least partially independent in mobility to gain >>> others confidence in you. >>> How do you walk to your place after getting down from your car? >>> Who picks up your bag and carry it? >>> Does always your aid only find things for you before you extend your >>> hands? >>> >>> Then time to thing and act my friend. >>> >>> Even though blessed with multiple difficulties, I have lived an >>> excellent college life. And those joyous moments and friends are real >>> treasures of my life. Therefore, make the most of it. That time never >>> comes back. >>> >>> Finally, keep your head high
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Ravindra Sir, I really appreciate your suggestions. However, it would be wrong to assert that I'm concentrating on socialising at the cost of my studies. In fact, my parents and others who know me say that my main problem is that I study way too much :P Studies can only take you so far in life. Anyway, thank you for your wishes, and I'll keep your suggestions in mind. On 01/12/2011, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > Well, I can fully understand rahul's predicament. > So, advice to concentrate on studies and so on is too, too moralistic and > beside the point. > > Specifically Rahul, here the third requirement of my theorum about > desirability of escorts is being violated, i.e. the constant sighted escort > is intruding upon your privacy and your friends may not like it and consider > you an intrusion. > So, try to restrict your sighted escort to the essential tasks and not use > him/her for collective activities such as outings with friends. > I know you will have to work your way to it. > All the best. > > > -Original Message- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ravindra Jadhav > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 7:00 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising > > High Rahul, > Why do you like someone's company? > I fully agree with this sentence. > I think first of all you concentrate more on your study. > Best of luck for your HSC exam. > Don't thinks negative. > Now see how many reply come to you? > These are all friends, so why are you worry? > > > > On 11/30/11, ekinath ekinath wrote: >> Hey Rahul, >> >> Got some time from office work so couldn't stop butting in. >> >> All brilliant points except one where there is a need mentioned for >> discussing it out with your friends. In my opinion, should not be done >> so, you will only seek sympathy and would emotionally induce your >> friends to hang out with you but they would not get convinced. DO it >> through action and performance. >> >> How? >> Buddy, think little practically by keeping aside depressing emotions >> for a little time. Why do you like someone's company? >> >> Are you getting some answers? >> It's your independence of mobility, body language, personality, >> talking skills, knowledge of relevant things, flexibility and >> rendering help. Cheerful smile and sense of humor attract embrace from >> people. >> >> You must be possessing many of above mentioned qualities. Capitalize >> on it. People will not come to you unless they believe that you add >> value to their lives in any which way. To be specific, try to >> normalize your life style as much as you can with your mainstream >> peers. >> >> You should be at least partially independent in mobility to gain >> others confidence in you. >> How do you walk to your place after getting down from your car? >> Who picks up your bag and carry it? >> Does always your aid only find things for you before you extend your >> hands? >> >> Then time to thing and act my friend. >> >> Even though blessed with multiple difficulties, I have lived an >> excellent college life. And those joyous moments and friends are real >> treasures of my life. Therefore, make the most of it. That time never >> comes back. >> >> Finally, keep your head high exuberating brilliance, confidence and >> substance with a little smile and things will fall in place. >> >> Good luck >> Do call me on Sundays if need be. I would like to know about a girl you >> like. >> Joking. Haha! >> >> Pardon me if you didn't like any of the things mentioned above. >> >> ~Cheers >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 11/27/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I hope you all are well. >>> Like I've mentioned in my earlier posts, I'm 17 and am currently in 12th >>> grade. >>> I have quite a few sighted friends, but I've noticed that they hardly >>> ever call me when they go for movies, have birthday parties or have >>> get-togethers. >>> I feel that my visual impairment is a major reason for this. >>> We have appointed a sighted guide who goes with me everywhere. >>> >>> So, I often get depressed and frustrated when my friends don't call me. >>> In fact, for me, this is the biggest challenge that I currently have >>> to face due to my visual impairment. >>> I can't even ask my friends if they don't
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Well, I can fully understand rahul's predicament. So, advice to concentrate on studies and so on is too, too moralistic and beside the point. Specifically Rahul, here the third requirement of my theorum about desirability of escorts is being violated, i.e. the constant sighted escort is intruding upon your privacy and your friends may not like it and consider you an intrusion. So, try to restrict your sighted escort to the essential tasks and not use him/her for collective activities such as outings with friends. I know you will have to work your way to it. All the best. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ravindra Jadhav Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 7:00 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising High Rahul, Why do you like someone's company? I fully agree with this sentence. I think first of all you concentrate more on your study. Best of luck for your HSC exam. Don't thinks negative. Now see how many reply come to you? These are all friends, so why are you worry? On 11/30/11, ekinath ekinath wrote: > Hey Rahul, > > Got some time from office work so couldn't stop butting in. > > All brilliant points except one where there is a need mentioned for > discussing it out with your friends. In my opinion, should not be done > so, you will only seek sympathy and would emotionally induce your > friends to hang out with you but they would not get convinced. DO it > through action and performance. > > How? > Buddy, think little practically by keeping aside depressing emotions > for a little time. Why do you like someone's company? > > Are you getting some answers? > It's your independence of mobility, body language, personality, > talking skills, knowledge of relevant things, flexibility and > rendering help. Cheerful smile and sense of humor attract embrace from > people. > > You must be possessing many of above mentioned qualities. Capitalize > on it. People will not come to you unless they believe that you add > value to their lives in any which way. To be specific, try to > normalize your life style as much as you can with your mainstream > peers. > > You should be at least partially independent in mobility to gain > others confidence in you. > How do you walk to your place after getting down from your car? > Who picks up your bag and carry it? > Does always your aid only find things for you before you extend your hands? > > Then time to thing and act my friend. > > Even though blessed with multiple difficulties, I have lived an > excellent college life. And those joyous moments and friends are real > treasures of my life. Therefore, make the most of it. That time never > comes back. > > Finally, keep your head high exuberating brilliance, confidence and > substance with a little smile and things will fall in place. > > Good luck > Do call me on Sundays if need be. I would like to know about a girl you > like. > Joking. Haha! > > Pardon me if you didn't like any of the things mentioned above. > > ~Cheers > > > > > > > On 11/27/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I hope you all are well. >> Like I've mentioned in my earlier posts, I'm 17 and am currently in 12th >> grade. >> I have quite a few sighted friends, but I've noticed that they hardly >> ever call me when they go for movies, have birthday parties or have >> get-togethers. >> I feel that my visual impairment is a major reason for this. >> We have appointed a sighted guide who goes with me everywhere. >> >> So, I often get depressed and frustrated when my friends don't call me. >> In fact, for me, this is the biggest challenge that I currently have >> to face due to my visual impairment. >> I can't even ask my friends if they don't call me because of my visual >> problem, because none of them will ever admit it. >> >> So, has anyone here faced this problem? >> Please share your views and suggestions. >> >> Cheers, >> Rahul >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> > > > -- > "The waves breaking on the surface draw all the attention, > but it is the current beneath the wat
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Hi all, Ekinath Sir, I really liked your post. I will surely keep your suggestions in mind. However, I somewhat don't completely agree with the suggestions that some people have given about mobility. I personally feel that, if I start trying to be entirely independent, then I'll end up being more dependent on my friends. So, my friends might feel that they are my caretakers and not my friends. This may lead to more awkward and embarrassing situations. This is just my personal view, and I might be completely wrong. I do realize that most of the people here are far more experienced than I am, so they clearly know what they're talking about. BTW, I'm truly overwhelmed by all the responses that I've received in this thread and also in my private inbox. I never thought I would get such useful tips, suggestions and so many friendship offers! :P So, thank you, everyone! Cheers, Rahul On 30/11/2011, Ravindra Jadhav wrote: > High Rahul, > Why do you like someone’s company? > I fully agree with this sentence. > I think first of all you concentrate more on your study. > Best of luck for your HSC exam. > Don't thinks negative. > Now see how many reply come to you? > These are all friends, so why are you worry? > > > > On 11/30/11, ekinath ekinath wrote: >> Hey Rahul, >> >> Got some time from office work so couldn’t stop butting in. >> >> All brilliant points except one where there is a need mentioned for >> discussing it out with your friends. In my opinion, should not be done >> so, you will only seek sympathy and would emotionally induce your >> friends to hang out with you but they would not get convinced. DO it >> through action and performance. >> >> How? >> Buddy, think little practically by keeping aside depressing emotions >> for a little time. Why do you like someone’s company? >> >> Are you getting some answers? >> It’s your independence of mobility, body language, personality, >> talking skills, knowledge of relevant things, flexibility and >> rendering help. Cheerful smile and sense of humor attract embrace from >> people. >> >> You must be possessing many of above mentioned qualities. Capitalize >> on it. People will not come to you unless they believe that you add >> value to their lives in any which way. To be specific, try to >> normalize your life style as much as you can with your mainstream >> peers. >> >> You should be at least partially independent in mobility to gain >> others confidence in you. >> How do you walk to your place after getting down from your car? >> Who picks up your bag and carry it? >> Does always your aid only find things for you before you extend your >> hands? >> >> Then time to thing and act my friend. >> >> Even though blessed with multiple difficulties, I have lived an >> excellent college life. And those joyous moments and friends are real >> treasures of my life. Therefore, make the most of it. That time never >> comes back. >> >> Finally, keep your head high exuberating brilliance, confidence and >> substance with a little smile and things will fall in place. >> >> Good luck >> Do call me on Sundays if need be. I would like to know about a girl you >> like. >> Joking. Haha! >> >> Pardon me if you didn’t like any of the things mentioned above. >> >> ~Cheers >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 11/27/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I hope you all are well. >>> Like I've mentioned in my earlier posts, I'm 17 and am currently in 12th >>> grade. >>> I have quite a few sighted friends, but I've noticed that they hardly >>> ever call me when they go for movies, have birthday parties or have >>> get-togethers. >>> I feel that my visual impairment is a major reason for this. >>> We have appointed a sighted guide who goes with me everywhere. >>> >>> So, I often get depressed and frustrated when my friends don't call me. >>> In fact, for me, this is the biggest challenge that I currently have >>> to face due to my visual impairment. >>> I can't even ask my friends if they don't call me because of my visual >>> problem, because none of them will ever admit it. >>> >>> So, has anyone here faced this problem? >>> Please share your views and suggestions. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Rahul >>> >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please >>> visit the list home page at >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> “The waves breaking on the surface draw all the attention, >> but it is the current beneath the water that determines your direction.” >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change
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High Rahul, Why do you like someone’s company? I fully agree with this sentence. I think first of all you concentrate more on your study. Best of luck for your HSC exam. Don't thinks negative. Now see how many reply come to you? These are all friends, so why are you worry? On 11/30/11, ekinath ekinath wrote: > Hey Rahul, > > Got some time from office work so couldn’t stop butting in. > > All brilliant points except one where there is a need mentioned for > discussing it out with your friends. In my opinion, should not be done > so, you will only seek sympathy and would emotionally induce your > friends to hang out with you but they would not get convinced. DO it > through action and performance. > > How? > Buddy, think little practically by keeping aside depressing emotions > for a little time. Why do you like someone’s company? > > Are you getting some answers? > It’s your independence of mobility, body language, personality, > talking skills, knowledge of relevant things, flexibility and > rendering help. Cheerful smile and sense of humor attract embrace from > people. > > You must be possessing many of above mentioned qualities. Capitalize > on it. People will not come to you unless they believe that you add > value to their lives in any which way. To be specific, try to > normalize your life style as much as you can with your mainstream > peers. > > You should be at least partially independent in mobility to gain > others confidence in you. > How do you walk to your place after getting down from your car? > Who picks up your bag and carry it? > Does always your aid only find things for you before you extend your hands? > > Then time to thing and act my friend. > > Even though blessed with multiple difficulties, I have lived an > excellent college life. And those joyous moments and friends are real > treasures of my life. Therefore, make the most of it. That time never > comes back. > > Finally, keep your head high exuberating brilliance, confidence and > substance with a little smile and things will fall in place. > > Good luck > Do call me on Sundays if need be. I would like to know about a girl you > like. > Joking. Haha! > > Pardon me if you didn’t like any of the things mentioned above. > > ~Cheers > > > > > > > On 11/27/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I hope you all are well. >> Like I've mentioned in my earlier posts, I'm 17 and am currently in 12th >> grade. >> I have quite a few sighted friends, but I've noticed that they hardly >> ever call me when they go for movies, have birthday parties or have >> get-togethers. >> I feel that my visual impairment is a major reason for this. >> We have appointed a sighted guide who goes with me everywhere. >> >> So, I often get depressed and frustrated when my friends don't call me. >> In fact, for me, this is the biggest challenge that I currently have >> to face due to my visual impairment. >> I can't even ask my friends if they don't call me because of my visual >> problem, because none of them will ever admit it. >> >> So, has anyone here faced this problem? >> Please share your views and suggestions. >> >> Cheers, >> Rahul >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> > > > -- > “The waves breaking on the surface draw all the attention, > but it is the current beneath the water that determines your direction.” > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Hey Rahul, Got some time from office work so couldn’t stop butting in. All brilliant points except one where there is a need mentioned for discussing it out with your friends. In my opinion, should not be done so, you will only seek sympathy and would emotionally induce your friends to hang out with you but they would not get convinced. DO it through action and performance. How? Buddy, think little practically by keeping aside depressing emotions for a little time. Why do you like someone’s company? Are you getting some answers? It’s your independence of mobility, body language, personality, talking skills, knowledge of relevant things, flexibility and rendering help. Cheerful smile and sense of humor attract embrace from people. You must be possessing many of above mentioned qualities. Capitalize on it. People will not come to you unless they believe that you add value to their lives in any which way. To be specific, try to normalize your life style as much as you can with your mainstream peers. You should be at least partially independent in mobility to gain others confidence in you. How do you walk to your place after getting down from your car? Who picks up your bag and carry it? Does always your aid only find things for you before you extend your hands? Then time to thing and act my friend. Even though blessed with multiple difficulties, I have lived an excellent college life. And those joyous moments and friends are real treasures of my life. Therefore, make the most of it. That time never comes back. Finally, keep your head high exuberating brilliance, confidence and substance with a little smile and things will fall in place. Good luck Do call me on Sundays if need be. I would like to know about a girl you like. Joking. Haha! Pardon me if you didn’t like any of the things mentioned above. ~Cheers On 11/27/11, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > Hi all, > > I hope you all are well. > Like I've mentioned in my earlier posts, I'm 17 and am currently in 12th > grade. > I have quite a few sighted friends, but I've noticed that they hardly > ever call me when they go for movies, have birthday parties or have > get-togethers. > I feel that my visual impairment is a major reason for this. > We have appointed a sighted guide who goes with me everywhere. > > So, I often get depressed and frustrated when my friends don't call me. > In fact, for me, this is the biggest challenge that I currently have > to face due to my visual impairment. > I can't even ask my friends if they don't call me because of my visual > problem, because none of them will ever admit it. > > So, has anyone here faced this problem? > Please share your views and suggestions. > > Cheers, > Rahul > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > -- “The waves breaking on the surface draw all the attention, but it is the current beneath the water that determines your direction.” Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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I also think that we will have to make realise them that we also can perceive the things in same manner as they can, though in different ways. We should our self invite them to join us in different activities, when next time they will organize any of such occasion surely they will not forget to make us part of that. What I felt that the people have their presumption that blind persons are not like us. Therefore we will have to make them realise that we are just like them and sometime better to them, though we have not to make realise it! On 11/29/11, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan wrote: > One issue why your friends are not inviting you for films and other > activities may be due to the fact that they may not realize your > ability to enjoy such things and that's where your responsibility lies > in showing them how you enjoy those things despite your visual > impairment. And remember that inviting works both ways and as someone > already pointed out, you could also initiate some invitations? > > Vetri. > > On 28/11/2011, Sameer wrote: >> >> Dear Rahul, >> >> I agree with the points made by Kanchan Madam in her trailing mail below >> regarding mobility. >> >> I am a late-blind individual & lost all sight when I was 22 years old. >> Prior >> to losing sight, I had a good-sized circle of friends but most of them >> started to avoid me after I lost my sight. Initially, I used to move >> around >> with a sighted guide & faced being left out from social gatherings like >> going to movies, parties etc. But since I have started moving around >> independently to a certain extent, many of my friends who had left when I >> lost my sight have returned. During talks with them, the most common thing >> for the break in friendship that I find is the presence of the sighted >> guide. Most of my friends used to consider him an outsider in the group & >> I >> was also marginalised as a result. >> >> So, I feel that you should also learn to move around without a sighted >> guide >> & trust your friends to help you move around. >> >> Regards >> Mr. Sameer Latey >> Mumbai, India >> - Original Message - >> From: "KanchanPamnani" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >> >> >>> Rahul, I have just read your mail and haven't read the trailing mails. >>> The problem is very clear. You will have to learn mobility and get rid of >>> your sighted assistant if you really want to go out wit friends. I am >>> notasking you to get rid of the driver. The driver will be an asset. The >>> faster you get more independent the better chance you have of making >>> friends >>> and moving from acquaintances to friends. >>> >>> Please understand that once you start trying to move independently others >>> around you will give you a hand. Its a bit of play acting and a bit of >>> preplanning. Call me on any Sunday morning and we can chat. >>> For those who are late blind and feel that their friends are cutting them >>> off I can only tell yu how I managed to retain my friends. >>> 1 Initially you may have to be the one who plans an outing. >>> 2. Never show your friends that you are depending upon them for reaching >>> a >>> place. Try to reach the meeting point on your own. Use others like >>> cabbies, >>> security guards, ushers and waiters. Be Bold and keep a bold face even if >>> you are scared or cursing in your heart. Kanchan >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj >>> Sent: 28 November 2011 21:07 >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> First of all, I would like to thank you all for your wonderful and >>> informative responses. >>> I would love to be friends with everyone in this group :) >>> >>> Even I happen to be very good in studies, so there are many people who >>> contact me when they have doubts/difficulties related to studies. >>> My problem is not that I don't have friends. >>> In fact, whenever I go for a class, I mostly have someone to talk to, >>> and I usually have a lot of fun with my friends. >>> The only problem is that my friends don't call me when they go to >>> other public places. >>> >>> Ajay, >>> >>> I really apprecia
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One issue why your friends are not inviting you for films and other activities may be due to the fact that they may not realize your ability to enjoy such things and that's where your responsibility lies in showing them how you enjoy those things despite your visual impairment. And remember that inviting works both ways and as someone already pointed out, you could also initiate some invitations? Vetri. On 28/11/2011, Sameer wrote: > > Dear Rahul, > > I agree with the points made by Kanchan Madam in her trailing mail below > regarding mobility. > > I am a late-blind individual & lost all sight when I was 22 years old. Prior > to losing sight, I had a good-sized circle of friends but most of them > started to avoid me after I lost my sight. Initially, I used to move around > with a sighted guide & faced being left out from social gatherings like > going to movies, parties etc. But since I have started moving around > independently to a certain extent, many of my friends who had left when I > lost my sight have returned. During talks with them, the most common thing > for the break in friendship that I find is the presence of the sighted > guide. Most of my friends used to consider him an outsider in the group & I > was also marginalised as a result. > > So, I feel that you should also learn to move around without a sighted guide > & trust your friends to help you move around. > > Regards > Mr. Sameer Latey > Mumbai, India > - Original Message - > From: "KanchanPamnani" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:08 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising > > >> Rahul, I have just read your mail and haven't read the trailing mails. >> The problem is very clear. You will have to learn mobility and get rid of >> your sighted assistant if you really want to go out wit friends. I am >> notasking you to get rid of the driver. The driver will be an asset. The >> faster you get more independent the better chance you have of making >> friends >> and moving from acquaintances to friends. >> >> Please understand that once you start trying to move independently others >> around you will give you a hand. Its a bit of play acting and a bit of >> preplanning. Call me on any Sunday morning and we can chat. >> For those who are late blind and feel that their friends are cutting them >> off I can only tell yu how I managed to retain my friends. >> 1 Initially you may have to be the one who plans an outing. >> 2. Never show your friends that you are depending upon them for reaching a >> place. Try to reach the meeting point on your own. Use others like >> cabbies, >> security guards, ushers and waiters. Be Bold and keep a bold face even if >> you are scared or cursing in your heart. Kanchan >> >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj >> Sent: 28 November 2011 21:07 >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising >> >> Hi all, >> >> First of all, I would like to thank you all for your wonderful and >> informative responses. >> I would love to be friends with everyone in this group :) >> >> Even I happen to be very good in studies, so there are many people who >> contact me when they have doubts/difficulties related to studies. >> My problem is not that I don't have friends. >> In fact, whenever I go for a class, I mostly have someone to talk to, >> and I usually have a lot of fun with my friends. >> The only problem is that my friends don't call me when they go to >> other public places. >> >> Ajay, >> >> I really appreciate your views, and I somewhat agree with you. >> However, I have always believed that I will make myself more dependent >> on others if I don't have a sighted guide with me. >> I believe that my friends think that, If I go somewhere only with my >> friends, and if something goes wrong, then they will be the ones who >> will be answerable. >> However, if I have a sighted guide with me, then they won't have to >> make any extra adjustments for me. >> >> Most of these plans are made after the class gets over. >> So, it could also be that I usually don't end up being a part of these >> plans merely because I mostly have to leave immediately after the >> class gets over, because I have to go with a sighted guide and a >> driver. >> >> >> >> >> On 28/11/2011, Ajay Minocha wrote: >>> Hi shadab >>> in 4th standard I also had the same situa
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Dear Rahul, I agree with the points made by Kanchan Madam in her trailing mail below regarding mobility. I am a late-blind individual & lost all sight when I was 22 years old. Prior to losing sight, I had a good-sized circle of friends but most of them started to avoid me after I lost my sight. Initially, I used to move around with a sighted guide & faced being left out from social gatherings like going to movies, parties etc. But since I have started moving around independently to a certain extent, many of my friends who had left when I lost my sight have returned. During talks with them, the most common thing for the break in friendship that I find is the presence of the sighted guide. Most of my friends used to consider him an outsider in the group & I was also marginalised as a result. So, I feel that you should also learn to move around without a sighted guide & trust your friends to help you move around. Regards Mr. Sameer Latey Mumbai, India - Original Message - From: "KanchanPamnani" To: Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising Rahul, I have just read your mail and haven't read the trailing mails. The problem is very clear. You will have to learn mobility and get rid of your sighted assistant if you really want to go out wit friends. I am notasking you to get rid of the driver. The driver will be an asset. The faster you get more independent the better chance you have of making friends and moving from acquaintances to friends. Please understand that once you start trying to move independently others around you will give you a hand. Its a bit of play acting and a bit of preplanning. Call me on any Sunday morning and we can chat. For those who are late blind and feel that their friends are cutting them off I can only tell yu how I managed to retain my friends. 1 Initially you may have to be the one who plans an outing. 2. Never show your friends that you are depending upon them for reaching a place. Try to reach the meeting point on your own. Use others like cabbies, security guards, ushers and waiters. Be Bold and keep a bold face even if you are scared or cursing in your heart. Kanchan -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: 28 November 2011 21:07 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising Hi all, First of all, I would like to thank you all for your wonderful and informative responses. I would love to be friends with everyone in this group :) Even I happen to be very good in studies, so there are many people who contact me when they have doubts/difficulties related to studies. My problem is not that I don't have friends. In fact, whenever I go for a class, I mostly have someone to talk to, and I usually have a lot of fun with my friends. The only problem is that my friends don't call me when they go to other public places. Ajay, I really appreciate your views, and I somewhat agree with you. However, I have always believed that I will make myself more dependent on others if I don't have a sighted guide with me. I believe that my friends think that, If I go somewhere only with my friends, and if something goes wrong, then they will be the ones who will be answerable. However, if I have a sighted guide with me, then they won't have to make any extra adjustments for me. Most of these plans are made after the class gets over. So, it could also be that I usually don't end up being a part of these plans merely because I mostly have to leave immediately after the class gets over, because I have to go with a sighted guide and a driver. On 28/11/2011, Ajay Minocha wrote: Hi shadab in 4th standard I also had the same situation I was really naughty so my teacher arainged special seet for me just closed to her away from class till 12th standard teachers would want me to sit on the 1st banch because they know as soon as the teacher stoppes then ajay starts and I was too naughty I didn't miss even a single chance to moov away from my seet while in lunch or between other interwells and my friends also supported me they injoyed my company when we used to sit in class and have a chat then it was their duty to let me know when teacher is watching by touching me or some thing else and I used to become silent at once but in my whole school life I didn't let my self to loose the top 5 positions of my class in studies when my parents used to go in parents teacher meeting then teacher would say " this boy is excilent in studies but he is equally naughty" regards On 11/28/11, payal wrote: Rahul, You've already received some excellent tips from others on this list. The main thing I can surmise from these and my own experience with other sighted people is that you need to be comfortable in your own skin to ensure others se
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me know when teacher is watching by >>> touching me or some thing else >>> and I used to become silent at once >>> but in my whole school life >>> I didn't let my self to loose the top 5 positions of my class in studies >>> when my parents used to go in parents teacher meeting then teacher would >>> say >>> " this boy is excilent in studies >>> but he is equally naughty" >>> regards >>> >>> >>> On 11/28/11, payal wrote: >>>> Rahul, >>>> >>>> You've already received some excellent tips from others on this list. >>>> The >>>> main thing I can surmise from these and my own experience with other >>>> sighted >>>> people is that you need to be comfortable in your own skin to ensure >>>> others >>>> see you exactly the same way, confident and ready to take the world on. >>>> >>>> At 17, all your friends have plenty on their own to prove to the world >>>> and >>>> thus will have little time to spare you if you don't make your presence >>>> felt. As Ajay has rightly mentioned, your sighted guide is perhaps a >>>> deterent. They need to feel like you want to be one of them and let >>>> them >>>> do >>>> all your guide perhaps does for you. You are not invisible, they need to >>>> see >>>> that. I still have trouble with people wanting to speak to my companion >>>> rather than me, simply because they know no better and I'm forced to >>>> remind >>>> them I'm only blind and can use all other faculties just fine and don't >>>> bite >>>> either. >>>> >>>> Give yourself the time and space to know that you indeed are a part of >>>> who >>>> all of them are and slowly, but surely things will get better. There are >>>> bigger things in life that will take precedence over this huge worry in >>>> some >>>> time. >>>> >>>> All the best. >>>> >>>> Payal >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 11:23 PM >>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>> Subject: [AI] Socialising >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I hope you all are well. >>>> Like I've mentioned in my earlier posts, I'm 17 and am currently in 12th >>>> grade. >>>> I have quite a few sighted friends, but I've noticed that they hardly >>>> ever call me when they go for movies, have birthday parties or have >>>> get-togethers. >>>> I feel that my visual impairment is a major reason for this. >>>> We have appointed a sighted guide who goes with me everywhere. >>>> >>>> So, I often get depressed and frustrated when my friends don't call me. >>>> In fact, for me, this is the biggest challenge that I currently have >>>> to face due to my visual impairment. >>>> I can't even ask my friends if they don't call me because of my visual >>>> problem, because none of them will ever admit it. >>>> >>>> So, has anyone here faced this problem? >>>> Please share your views and suggestions. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Rahul >>>> >>>> >>>> Search for old postings at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>> please >>>> visit the list home page at >>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Search for old postings at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>> please >>>> visi
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gt; rather than me, simply because they know no better and I'm forced to >>> remind >>> them I'm only blind and can use all other faculties just fine and don't >>> bite >>> either. >>> >>> Give yourself the time and space to know that you indeed are a part of >>> who >>> all of them are and slowly, but surely things will get better. There are >>> bigger things in life that will take precedence over this huge worry in >>> some >>> time. >>> >>> All the best. >>> >>> Payal >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj >>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 11:23 PM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: [AI] Socialising >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I hope you all are well. >>> Like I've mentioned in my earlier posts, I'm 17 and am currently in 12th >>> grade. >>> I have quite a few sighted friends, but I've noticed that they hardly >>> ever call me when they go for movies, have birthday parties or have >>> get-togethers. >>> I feel that my visual impairment is a major reason for this. >>> We have appointed a sighted guide who goes with me everywhere. >>> >>> So, I often get depressed and frustrated when my friends don't call me. >>> In fact, for me, this is the biggest challenge that I currently have >>> to face due to my visual impairment. >>> I can't even ask my friends if they don't call me because of my visual >>> problem, because none of them will ever admit it. >>> >>> So, has anyone here faced this problem? >>> Please share your views and suggestions. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Rahul >>> >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please >>> visit the list home page at >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please >>> visit the list home page at >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ajay Minocha >> Mob : +91-7827188455 >> E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com >> ajaymanu...@gmail.com >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Rahul, I have just read your mail and haven't read the trailing mails. The problem is very clear. You will have to learn mobility and get rid of your sighted assistant if you really want to go out wit friends. I am notasking you to get rid of the driver. The driver will be an asset. The faster you get more independent the better chance you have of making friends and moving from acquaintances to friends. Please understand that once you start trying to move independently others around you will give you a hand. Its a bit of play acting and a bit of preplanning. Call me on any Sunday morning and we can chat. For those who are late blind and feel that their friends are cutting them off I can only tell yu how I managed to retain my friends. 1 Initially you may have to be the one who plans an outing. 2. Never show your friends that you are depending upon them for reaching a place. Try to reach the meeting point on your own. Use others like cabbies, security guards, ushers and waiters. Be Bold and keep a bold face even if you are scared or cursing in your heart. Kanchan -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: 28 November 2011 21:07 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising Hi all, First of all, I would like to thank you all for your wonderful and informative responses. I would love to be friends with everyone in this group :) Even I happen to be very good in studies, so there are many people who contact me when they have doubts/difficulties related to studies. My problem is not that I don't have friends. In fact, whenever I go for a class, I mostly have someone to talk to, and I usually have a lot of fun with my friends. The only problem is that my friends don't call me when they go to other public places. Ajay, I really appreciate your views, and I somewhat agree with you. However, I have always believed that I will make myself more dependent on others if I don't have a sighted guide with me. I believe that my friends think that, If I go somewhere only with my friends, and if something goes wrong, then they will be the ones who will be answerable. However, if I have a sighted guide with me, then they won't have to make any extra adjustments for me. Most of these plans are made after the class gets over. So, it could also be that I usually don't end up being a part of these plans merely because I mostly have to leave immediately after the class gets over, because I have to go with a sighted guide and a driver. On 28/11/2011, Ajay Minocha wrote: > Hi shadab > in 4th standard I also had the same situation > I was really naughty so my teacher arainged special seet for me just > closed to her away from class > till 12th standard teachers would want me to sit on the 1st banch > because they know as soon as the teacher stoppes then ajay starts > and I was too naughty I didn't miss even a single chance to moov away > from my seet while in lunch or between other interwells > and my friends also supported me > they injoyed my company > when we used to sit in class and have a chat > then it was their duty to let me know when teacher is watching by > touching me or some thing else > and I used to become silent at once > but in my whole school life > I didn't let my self to loose the top 5 positions of my class in studies > when my parents used to go in parents teacher meeting then teacher would say > " this boy is excilent in studies > but he is equally naughty" > regards > > > On 11/28/11, payal wrote: >> Rahul, >> >> You've already received some excellent tips from others on this list. The >> main thing I can surmise from these and my own experience with other >> sighted >> people is that you need to be comfortable in your own skin to ensure >> others >> see you exactly the same way, confident and ready to take the world on. >> >> At 17, all your friends have plenty on their own to prove to the world and >> thus will have little time to spare you if you don't make your presence >> felt. As Ajay has rightly mentioned, your sighted guide is perhaps a >> deterent. They need to feel like you want to be one of them and let them >> do >> all your guide perhaps does for you. You are not invisible, they need to >> see >> that. I still have trouble with people wanting to speak to my companion >> rather than me, simply because they know no better and I'm forced to >> remind >> them I'm only blind and can use all other faculties just fine and don't >> bite >> either. >> >> Give yourself the time and space to know that you indeed are a part of who >> all of them are and slowly, but s
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Hi all, First of all, I would like to thank you all for your wonderful and informative responses. I would love to be friends with everyone in this group :) Even I happen to be very good in studies, so there are many people who contact me when they have doubts/difficulties related to studies. My problem is not that I don't have friends. In fact, whenever I go for a class, I mostly have someone to talk to, and I usually have a lot of fun with my friends. The only problem is that my friends don't call me when they go to other public places. Ajay, I really appreciate your views, and I somewhat agree with you. However, I have always believed that I will make myself more dependent on others if I don't have a sighted guide with me. I believe that my friends think that, If I go somewhere only with my friends, and if something goes wrong, then they will be the ones who will be answerable. However, if I have a sighted guide with me, then they won't have to make any extra adjustments for me. Most of these plans are made after the class gets over. So, it could also be that I usually don't end up being a part of these plans merely because I mostly have to leave immediately after the class gets over, because I have to go with a sighted guide and a driver. On 28/11/2011, Ajay Minocha wrote: > Hi shadab > in 4th standard I also had the same situation > I was really naughty so my teacher arainged special seet for me just > closed to her away from class > till 12th standard teachers would want me to sit on the 1st banch > because they know as soon as the teacher stoppes then ajay starts > and I was too naughty I didn't miss even a single chance to moov away > from my seet while in lunch or between other interwells > and my friends also supported me > they injoyed my company > when we used to sit in class and have a chat > then it was their duty to let me know when teacher is watching by > touching me or some thing else > and I used to become silent at once > but in my whole school life > I didn't let my self to loose the top 5 positions of my class in studies > when my parents used to go in parents teacher meeting then teacher would say > " this boy is excilent in studies > but he is equally naughty" > regards > > > On 11/28/11, payal wrote: >> Rahul, >> >> You've already received some excellent tips from others on this list. The >> main thing I can surmise from these and my own experience with other >> sighted >> people is that you need to be comfortable in your own skin to ensure >> others >> see you exactly the same way, confident and ready to take the world on. >> >> At 17, all your friends have plenty on their own to prove to the world and >> thus will have little time to spare you if you don't make your presence >> felt. As Ajay has rightly mentioned, your sighted guide is perhaps a >> deterent. They need to feel like you want to be one of them and let them >> do >> all your guide perhaps does for you. You are not invisible, they need to >> see >> that. I still have trouble with people wanting to speak to my companion >> rather than me, simply because they know no better and I'm forced to >> remind >> them I'm only blind and can use all other faculties just fine and don't >> bite >> either. >> >> Give yourself the time and space to know that you indeed are a part of who >> all of them are and slowly, but surely things will get better. There are >> bigger things in life that will take precedence over this huge worry in >> some >> time. >> >> All the best. >> >> Payal >> >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj >> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 11:23 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: [AI] Socialising >> >> Hi all, >> >> I hope you all are well. >> Like I've mentioned in my earlier posts, I'm 17 and am currently in 12th >> grade. >> I have quite a few sighted friends, but I've noticed that they hardly >> ever call me when they go for movies, have birthday parties or have >> get-togethers. >> I feel that my visual impairment is a major reason for this. >> We have appointed a sighted guide who goes with me everywhere. >> >> So, I often get depressed and frustrated when my friends don't call me. >> In fact, for me, this is the biggest challenge that I currently have >> to face due to my visual impairment. >> I can't even ask my friends if they don't call me because of my visual >&
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Hi shadab in 4th standard I also had the same situation I was really naughty so my teacher arainged special seet for me just closed to her away from class till 12th standard teachers would want me to sit on the 1st banch because they know as soon as the teacher stoppes then ajay starts and I was too naughty I didn't miss even a single chance to moov away from my seet while in lunch or between other interwells and my friends also supported me they injoyed my company when we used to sit in class and have a chat then it was their duty to let me know when teacher is watching by touching me or some thing else and I used to become silent at once but in my whole school life I didn't let my self to loose the top 5 positions of my class in studies when my parents used to go in parents teacher meeting then teacher would say " this boy is excilent in studies but he is equally naughty" regards On 11/28/11, payal wrote: > Rahul, > > You've already received some excellent tips from others on this list. The > main thing I can surmise from these and my own experience with other sighted > people is that you need to be comfortable in your own skin to ensure others > see you exactly the same way, confident and ready to take the world on. > > At 17, all your friends have plenty on their own to prove to the world and > thus will have little time to spare you if you don't make your presence > felt. As Ajay has rightly mentioned, your sighted guide is perhaps a > deterent. They need to feel like you want to be one of them and let them do > all your guide perhaps does for you. You are not invisible, they need to see > that. I still have trouble with people wanting to speak to my companion > rather than me, simply because they know no better and I'm forced to remind > them I'm only blind and can use all other faculties just fine and don't bite > either. > > Give yourself the time and space to know that you indeed are a part of who > all of them are and slowly, but surely things will get better. There are > bigger things in life that will take precedence over this huge worry in some > time. > > All the best. > > Payal > > -Original Message- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 11:23 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: [AI] Socialising > > Hi all, > > I hope you all are well. > Like I've mentioned in my earlier posts, I'm 17 and am currently in 12th > grade. > I have quite a few sighted friends, but I've noticed that they hardly > ever call me when they go for movies, have birthday parties or have > get-togethers. > I feel that my visual impairment is a major reason for this. > We have appointed a sighted guide who goes with me everywhere. > > So, I often get depressed and frustrated when my friends don't call me. > In fact, for me, this is the biggest challenge that I currently have > to face due to my visual impairment. > I can't even ask my friends if they don't call me because of my visual > problem, because none of them will ever admit it. > > So, has anyone here faced this problem? > Please share your views and suggestions. > > Cheers, > Rahul > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > -- Ajay Minocha Mob : +91-7827188455 E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com ajaymanu...@gmail.com Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Rahul, You've already received some excellent tips from others on this list. The main thing I can surmise from these and my own experience with other sighted people is that you need to be comfortable in your own skin to ensure others see you exactly the same way, confident and ready to take the world on. At 17, all your friends have plenty on their own to prove to the world and thus will have little time to spare you if you don't make your presence felt. As Ajay has rightly mentioned, your sighted guide is perhaps a deterent. They need to feel like you want to be one of them and let them do all your guide perhaps does for you. You are not invisible, they need to see that. I still have trouble with people wanting to speak to my companion rather than me, simply because they know no better and I'm forced to remind them I'm only blind and can use all other faculties just fine and don't bite either. Give yourself the time and space to know that you indeed are a part of who all of them are and slowly, but surely things will get better. There are bigger things in life that will take precedence over this huge worry in some time. All the best. Payal -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 11:23 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] Socialising Hi all, I hope you all are well. Like I've mentioned in my earlier posts, I'm 17 and am currently in 12th grade. I have quite a few sighted friends, but I've noticed that they hardly ever call me when they go for movies, have birthday parties or have get-togethers. I feel that my visual impairment is a major reason for this. We have appointed a sighted guide who goes with me everywhere. So, I often get depressed and frustrated when my friends don't call me. In fact, for me, this is the biggest challenge that I currently have to face due to my visual impairment. I can't even ask my friends if they don't call me because of my visual problem, because none of them will ever admit it. So, has anyone here faced this problem? Please share your views and suggestions. Cheers, Rahul Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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wow - that's an interesting point. One may not necessarily be good at academics in order to make friends in school/college. What matters is one's attitude, behavior, lingual skills, body language, and an overall feeling of being equal to, not lesser or greater than, friends - sighted or challenged. On 11/28/11, Shadab Husain wrote: > Everyone, unlike me, seems to be excellent at studies! First time I > failed in the half yearly exams of class 6th. I became really naughty. > Save a few teachers, everyone had thrashed me at La Martiniere Boys. I > was promoted with warning in 7th where again I failed in the half > yearly exams. My chair used to be apart from the entire class. But my > fun was appreciated and thankfully I was never short of friends. You > need to enjoy yourself and make the people laugh around to make > friends! > > PersonalityAndEnglish.blogspot.com > > On 11/28/11, Ajay Minocha wrote: >> here I would also like to add one more thing >> till my 10th standard mymom used to drop and pick me up from my school >> I didn't have many friends then >> but when in 11th My mom became ill >> then I started to come alone >> and in just 1 year I was socialised with most of the class >> we should be keen to help others in what ever way we can >> then nobody can remain alone without a group >> earlier my friends used to have a fear in their mind about handling me >> but now the hold my hand but I take care of my self >> in markets molls or cinemas >> >> regards >> >> On 11/28/11, Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala wrote: >>> I agree with Ajay, I have been through similar situations in >>> school/college. I remember my first day in college when I could not >>> find anyone of my school mates, so just went and sat besides an >>> unknown student who was constantly talking with his school buddy on >>> the other side. Some teachers asked us to introduce ourselves with >>> name and marks for the specific subject where I was one of the top >>> scorers. By the end of the day, my bench partner asked me how I would >>> go home, how I study, etc and the next day, he asked me if I need >>> something from the canteen. I joined him to the canteen and thereafter >>> we became friends. I've experienced that people are more comfortable >>> with independent movers maybe, they feel like being free from worrying >>> about the challenged friend. Everyone on the list must have had unique >>> experiences and may think in their own way. >>> >>> On 11/28/11, Alla rakhi wrote: What has been said by ajay is absolutely true. You'll never be counted as a friend on equal terms by your sighted counterparts unless you're independant in mobility. but on the other hand, mind you that, if you can handle yourself independantly without being dependant all the time on others then you'll find that hardly do your sighted friends distinguish you from others. Be mobile and good in socialising and daily living skills, then you'll find most of things in the society become normal to you even if you are a totally blind. Mustering good mobility skills is no rocketry science but it definitely require a strong will power an a desire for it. On 11/28/11, Ajay Minocha wrote: > Hi rahul > sorry for a long mail > > it may sound harsh to you > but the main problam is the sighted guide > please don't mind but after passing your 12th you should devote some > time specially to have a nice mobility training > and when you sit in your group > then you should take active partisipation in their conversations > they will automatically ask you for hang outs > I had also faced the same situation when I was at school > because school students have a fear in their mind about handeling a > blind or low vision person > I had a positive thing with me > that I used to be an outstanding student in my school as well as > college > so many people got excited to talk to me > and after that they became my good friends > when I passed my school I had a large number of friends and other > suggesting me to study with distence education plan > because they thought that going alone to college was not my cup of tea > my parents also thought that way > but when I went to college they are quite satisfied with me > I also remember the 1st day of my college > One of my sighted friend who was my class mate earlier > had dropped me to my class > an unknown person helped me to aquire a seet in class > when the lecturor came she asked us to present our selves by giving a > brief introduction > I was the 1st to go > when I finished my introduction the lecturor asked me some special > questions about my life > which I answered quite patiently > then I had allmost 10 to 15 people gathered around me > after the class they were qurious about their low vision friend > soon I got familiar with them >
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Everyone, unlike me, seems to be excellent at studies! First time I failed in the half yearly exams of class 6th. I became really naughty. Save a few teachers, everyone had thrashed me at La Martiniere Boys. I was promoted with warning in 7th where again I failed in the half yearly exams. My chair used to be apart from the entire class. But my fun was appreciated and thankfully I was never short of friends. You need to enjoy yourself and make the people laugh around to make friends! PersonalityAndEnglish.blogspot.com On 11/28/11, Ajay Minocha wrote: > here I would also like to add one more thing > till my 10th standard mymom used to drop and pick me up from my school > I didn't have many friends then > but when in 11th My mom became ill > then I started to come alone > and in just 1 year I was socialised with most of the class > we should be keen to help others in what ever way we can > then nobody can remain alone without a group > earlier my friends used to have a fear in their mind about handling me > but now the hold my hand but I take care of my self > in markets molls or cinemas > > regards > > On 11/28/11, Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala wrote: >> I agree with Ajay, I have been through similar situations in >> school/college. I remember my first day in college when I could not >> find anyone of my school mates, so just went and sat besides an >> unknown student who was constantly talking with his school buddy on >> the other side. Some teachers asked us to introduce ourselves with >> name and marks for the specific subject where I was one of the top >> scorers. By the end of the day, my bench partner asked me how I would >> go home, how I study, etc and the next day, he asked me if I need >> something from the canteen. I joined him to the canteen and thereafter >> we became friends. I've experienced that people are more comfortable >> with independent movers maybe, they feel like being free from worrying >> about the challenged friend. Everyone on the list must have had unique >> experiences and may think in their own way. >> >> On 11/28/11, Alla rakhi wrote: >>> What has been said by ajay is absolutely true. You'll never be counted >>> as a friend on equal terms by your sighted counterparts unless you're >>> independant in mobility. but on the other hand, mind you that, if you >>> can handle yourself independantly without being dependant all the time >>> on others then you'll find that hardly do your sighted friends >>> distinguish you from others. Be mobile and good in socialising and >>> daily living skills, then you'll find most of things in the society >>> become normal to you even if you are a totally blind. Mustering good >>> mobility skills is no rocketry science but it definitely require a >>> strong will power an a desire for it. >>> >>> On 11/28/11, Ajay Minocha wrote: Hi rahul sorry for a long mail it may sound harsh to you but the main problam is the sighted guide please don't mind but after passing your 12th you should devote some time specially to have a nice mobility training and when you sit in your group then you should take active partisipation in their conversations they will automatically ask you for hang outs I had also faced the same situation when I was at school because school students have a fear in their mind about handeling a blind or low vision person I had a positive thing with me that I used to be an outstanding student in my school as well as college so many people got excited to talk to me and after that they became my good friends when I passed my school I had a large number of friends and other suggesting me to study with distence education plan because they thought that going alone to college was not my cup of tea my parents also thought that way but when I went to college they are quite satisfied with me I also remember the 1st day of my college One of my sighted friend who was my class mate earlier had dropped me to my class an unknown person helped me to aquire a seet in class when the lecturor came she asked us to present our selves by giving a brief introduction I was the 1st to go when I finished my introduction the lecturor asked me some special questions about my life which I answered quite patiently then I had allmost 10 to 15 people gathered around me after the class they were qurious about their low vision friend soon I got familiar with them now they tell me that when we saw the very 1st day they we got very imotional specially the girls they call me to see movie or just to have a nice hang out they didn't had any idea to handle me in earlier they used to pull me behind them then I told them the right way to handle me when I go in class then if I recorganise somebody I say hi to him or her if not then they will come to my seet to meet m
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here I would also like to add one more thing till my 10th standard mymom used to drop and pick me up from my school I didn't have many friends then but when in 11th My mom became ill then I started to come alone and in just 1 year I was socialised with most of the class we should be keen to help others in what ever way we can then nobody can remain alone without a group earlier my friends used to have a fear in their mind about handling me but now the hold my hand but I take care of my self in markets molls or cinemas regards On 11/28/11, Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala wrote: > I agree with Ajay, I have been through similar situations in > school/college. I remember my first day in college when I could not > find anyone of my school mates, so just went and sat besides an > unknown student who was constantly talking with his school buddy on > the other side. Some teachers asked us to introduce ourselves with > name and marks for the specific subject where I was one of the top > scorers. By the end of the day, my bench partner asked me how I would > go home, how I study, etc and the next day, he asked me if I need > something from the canteen. I joined him to the canteen and thereafter > we became friends. I've experienced that people are more comfortable > with independent movers maybe, they feel like being free from worrying > about the challenged friend. Everyone on the list must have had unique > experiences and may think in their own way. > > On 11/28/11, Alla rakhi wrote: >> What has been said by ajay is absolutely true. You'll never be counted >> as a friend on equal terms by your sighted counterparts unless you're >> independant in mobility. but on the other hand, mind you that, if you >> can handle yourself independantly without being dependant all the time >> on others then you'll find that hardly do your sighted friends >> distinguish you from others. Be mobile and good in socialising and >> daily living skills, then you'll find most of things in the society >> become normal to you even if you are a totally blind. Mustering good >> mobility skills is no rocketry science but it definitely require a >> strong will power an a desire for it. >> >> On 11/28/11, Ajay Minocha wrote: >>> Hi rahul >>> sorry for a long mail >>> >>> it may sound harsh to you >>> but the main problam is the sighted guide >>> please don't mind but after passing your 12th you should devote some >>> time specially to have a nice mobility training >>> and when you sit in your group >>> then you should take active partisipation in their conversations >>> they will automatically ask you for hang outs >>> I had also faced the same situation when I was at school >>> because school students have a fear in their mind about handeling a >>> blind or low vision person >>> I had a positive thing with me >>> that I used to be an outstanding student in my school as well as college >>> so many people got excited to talk to me >>> and after that they became my good friends >>> when I passed my school I had a large number of friends and other >>> suggesting me to study with distence education plan >>> because they thought that going alone to college was not my cup of tea >>> my parents also thought that way >>> but when I went to college they are quite satisfied with me >>> I also remember the 1st day of my college >>> One of my sighted friend who was my class mate earlier >>> had dropped me to my class >>> an unknown person helped me to aquire a seet in class >>> when the lecturor came she asked us to present our selves by giving a >>> brief introduction >>> I was the 1st to go >>> when I finished my introduction the lecturor asked me some special >>> questions about my life >>> which I answered quite patiently >>> then I had allmost 10 to 15 people gathered around me >>> after the class they were qurious about their low vision friend >>> soon I got familiar with them >>> now they tell me that when we saw the very 1st day they we got very >>> imotional >>> specially the girls >>> they call me to see movie or just to have a nice hang out >>> they didn't had any idea to handle me >>> in earlier they used to pull me behind them >>> then I told them the right way to handle me >>> when I go in class then if I recorganise somebody I say hi to him or her >>> if not then they will come to my seet to meet me >>> if you want some tips then get in touch >>> I will be happy to help you >>> regards >>> >>> On 11/28/11, shyam sharma wrote: Hi Rahul, don't worry. Don't take it as a biggest problem of your life. As far as I think there is only one solution to it. If someone is not asking you then you should go and approach to him/her. Keep proving yourself to them that though you've not eyes but you can see everthing. keep friendship with them more strong than they do. Try to win their heart over. Never mind what their behaviour is to you just be positive and try everything without loosing your heart. One more importan
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Hi friends, No doubt, there is nothing like being totally independent but to say that friends do not treat you as equalls if your mobility is not very good is not entirely true. My sighted friends still treat me exactly like they used to when I was sighted. I think it depends more on your mindset and confidence and also the bond you share with your friends. Regards, Sandeep At 11:51 AM 28-11-11, you wrote: What has been said by ajay is absolutely true. You'll never be counted as a friend on equal terms by your sighted counterparts unless you're independant in mobility. but on the other hand, mind you that, if you can handle yourself independantly without being dependant all the time on others then you'll find that hardly do your sighted friends distinguish you from others. Be mobile and good in socialising and daily living skills, then you'll find most of things in the society become normal to you even if you are a totally blind. Mustering good mobility skills is no rocketry science but it definitely require a strong will power an a desire for it. On 11/28/11, Ajay Minocha wrote: > Hi rahul > sorry for a long mail > > it may sound harsh to you > but the main problam is the sighted guide > please don't mind but after passing your 12th you should devote some > time specially to have a nice mobility training > and when you sit in your group > then you should take active partisipation in their conversations > they will automatically ask you for hang outs > I had also faced the same situation when I was at school > because school students have a fear in their mind about handeling a > blind or low vision person > I had a positive thing with me > that I used to be an outstanding student in my school as well as college > so many people got excited to talk to me > and after that they became my good friends > when I passed my school I had a large number of friends and other > suggesting me to study with distence education plan > because they thought that going alone to college was not my cup of tea > my parents also thought that way > but when I went to college they are quite satisfied with me > I also remember the 1st day of my college > One of my sighted friend who was my class mate earlier > had dropped me to my class > an unknown person helped me to aquire a seet in class > when the lecturor came she asked us to present our selves by giving a > brief introduction > I was the 1st to go > when I finished my introduction the lecturor asked me some special > questions about my life > which I answered quite patiently > then I had allmost 10 to 15 people gathered around me > after the class they were qurious about their low vision friend > soon I got familiar with them > now they tell me that when we saw the very 1st day they we got very > imotional > specially the girls > they call me to see movie or just to have a nice hang out > they didn't had any idea to handle me > in earlier they used to pull me behind them > then I told them the right way to handle me > when I go in class then if I recorganise somebody I say hi to him or her > if not then they will come to my seet to meet me > if you want some tips then get in touch > I will be happy to help you > regards > > On 11/28/11, shyam sharma wrote: >> Hi Rahul, don't worry. Don't take it as a biggest problem of your >> life. As far as I think there is only one solution to it. If someone >> is not asking you then you should go and approach to him/her. Keep >> proving yourself to them that though you've not eyes but you can see >> everthing. keep friendship with them more strong than they do. Try to >> win their heart over. Never mind what their behaviour is to you just >> be positive and try everything without loosing your heart. >> One more important thing which I want to mention here that I would >> like to make friendship with you. Would you? >> >> shyam371...@gmail.com >> >> with warm regards: >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> > > > -- > Ajay Minocha > Mob : +91-7827188455 > E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com > ajaymanu...@gmail.com > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.
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I agree with Ajay, I have been through similar situations in school/college. I remember my first day in college when I could not find anyone of my school mates, so just went and sat besides an unknown student who was constantly talking with his school buddy on the other side. Some teachers asked us to introduce ourselves with name and marks for the specific subject where I was one of the top scorers. By the end of the day, my bench partner asked me how I would go home, how I study, etc and the next day, he asked me if I need something from the canteen. I joined him to the canteen and thereafter we became friends. I've experienced that people are more comfortable with independent movers maybe, they feel like being free from worrying about the challenged friend. Everyone on the list must have had unique experiences and may think in their own way. On 11/28/11, Alla rakhi wrote: > What has been said by ajay is absolutely true. You'll never be counted > as a friend on equal terms by your sighted counterparts unless you're > independant in mobility. but on the other hand, mind you that, if you > can handle yourself independantly without being dependant all the time > on others then you'll find that hardly do your sighted friends > distinguish you from others. Be mobile and good in socialising and > daily living skills, then you'll find most of things in the society > become normal to you even if you are a totally blind. Mustering good > mobility skills is no rocketry science but it definitely require a > strong will power an a desire for it. > > On 11/28/11, Ajay Minocha wrote: >> Hi rahul >> sorry for a long mail >> >> it may sound harsh to you >> but the main problam is the sighted guide >> please don't mind but after passing your 12th you should devote some >> time specially to have a nice mobility training >> and when you sit in your group >> then you should take active partisipation in their conversations >> they will automatically ask you for hang outs >> I had also faced the same situation when I was at school >> because school students have a fear in their mind about handeling a >> blind or low vision person >> I had a positive thing with me >> that I used to be an outstanding student in my school as well as college >> so many people got excited to talk to me >> and after that they became my good friends >> when I passed my school I had a large number of friends and other >> suggesting me to study with distence education plan >> because they thought that going alone to college was not my cup of tea >> my parents also thought that way >> but when I went to college they are quite satisfied with me >> I also remember the 1st day of my college >> One of my sighted friend who was my class mate earlier >> had dropped me to my class >> an unknown person helped me to aquire a seet in class >> when the lecturor came she asked us to present our selves by giving a >> brief introduction >> I was the 1st to go >> when I finished my introduction the lecturor asked me some special >> questions about my life >> which I answered quite patiently >> then I had allmost 10 to 15 people gathered around me >> after the class they were qurious about their low vision friend >> soon I got familiar with them >> now they tell me that when we saw the very 1st day they we got very >> imotional >> specially the girls >> they call me to see movie or just to have a nice hang out >> they didn't had any idea to handle me >> in earlier they used to pull me behind them >> then I told them the right way to handle me >> when I go in class then if I recorganise somebody I say hi to him or her >> if not then they will come to my seet to meet me >> if you want some tips then get in touch >> I will be happy to help you >> regards >> >> On 11/28/11, shyam sharma wrote: >>> Hi Rahul, don't worry. Don't take it as a biggest problem of your >>> life. As far as I think there is only one solution to it. If someone >>> is not asking you then you should go and approach to him/her. Keep >>> proving yourself to them that though you've not eyes but you can see >>> everthing. keep friendship with them more strong than they do. Try to >>> win their heart over. Never mind what their behaviour is to you just >>> be positive and try everything without loosing your heart. >>> One more important thing which I want to mention here that I would >>> like to make friendship with you. Would you? >>> >>> shyam371...@gmail.com >>> >>> with warm regards: >>> >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please >>> visit the list home page at >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ajay Minocha >> Mob : +91-7827188455 >> E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com >> aj
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Well, I was all through very active academically and outstanding. But, sadly, nonetheless was isolated all through. Blindness was at least partly responsible for it, though my introvert nature also played a role. Still, I feel despite whatever we do, an average sighted person does not prefer socializing with a VI... -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:17 AM To: Mujtaba Merchant; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising Hi, I assume that you are going to join the college very soon and you will certainly come across your class-mates who are willing to socialize with you. Just one good tip though. If you can show others that you are someone to be worth having around, then you will automatically get friends. To give you an example: I always used to stand out in class in terms of my participation in class discussions and as the result my friend circle at the college as well as university level increased. Because when someone realizes that he/she benifits from having you around, then it is the magnetic power which will automatically increase your friend circle. But you have to be opened though. That's important since many visually challenged persons have a tendency to avoid others and it will not take you anywhere. So in a nut shell, be pationt until you get to the college level. Vetri. On 27/11/2011, Mujtaba Merchant wrote: > Hello Rahul, > > What you wrote in your post is a brilliant observation. I am a recent blind > and had a huge group of friends that I used to go out with to many social > events and gatherings. After I lost my sight I have only a countable number > of friends who call me and ask about my well being and some of them are > curteous to make time for me and take me out for lunch or dinner on their > expense. I totally understand their standing on additional responsibility > when I accompany them anywhere. Some of them shy off because they would not > be comfortable seen with a blind man. This I have seen specially with my > lady friends. They fail to realize that I am the same person they loved to > hang out with earlier and I am not any different but have a situation that > could have happened to any of them. > > These are my views on your post. To compromise in many stages or situations > when it comes to socializing is challenging at times and I understand your > plight at that age where you are trying to fit in with your age group. I can > suggest that you talk to this group of friends and tell them how you feel > and get it in the open rather than further depress yourself. Those of your > friends who truly value you will make no mess of the situation and look at > activities that will involve you more, activities like eating outt, taking > you for a walk on the beach if you have access to one or the pool, I had one > crazy friend that took me to a theme park and we enjoyed the rides there, > the reactions we got from the people etc. I guess it is all about perception > at times because there is another group of friends that make it to the > movies without me, which is cool I tell them that I would rent out the DVD > instead Hahaha to them! > > I like spending my time more with my music system and the computer and at > times I entertain orther fellow mates from my blind training institute at > home. We all come up with various activities and pester my mother to feed us > something that would get us feeling happy. > > Cheers! > Mujtaba Merchant > Bangalore, India > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by ret
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What has been said by ajay is absolutely true. You'll never be counted as a friend on equal terms by your sighted counterparts unless you're independant in mobility. but on the other hand, mind you that, if you can handle yourself independantly without being dependant all the time on others then you'll find that hardly do your sighted friends distinguish you from others. Be mobile and good in socialising and daily living skills, then you'll find most of things in the society become normal to you even if you are a totally blind. Mustering good mobility skills is no rocketry science but it definitely require a strong will power an a desire for it. On 11/28/11, Ajay Minocha wrote: > Hi rahul > sorry for a long mail > > it may sound harsh to you > but the main problam is the sighted guide > please don't mind but after passing your 12th you should devote some > time specially to have a nice mobility training > and when you sit in your group > then you should take active partisipation in their conversations > they will automatically ask you for hang outs > I had also faced the same situation when I was at school > because school students have a fear in their mind about handeling a > blind or low vision person > I had a positive thing with me > that I used to be an outstanding student in my school as well as college > so many people got excited to talk to me > and after that they became my good friends > when I passed my school I had a large number of friends and other > suggesting me to study with distence education plan > because they thought that going alone to college was not my cup of tea > my parents also thought that way > but when I went to college they are quite satisfied with me > I also remember the 1st day of my college > One of my sighted friend who was my class mate earlier > had dropped me to my class > an unknown person helped me to aquire a seet in class > when the lecturor came she asked us to present our selves by giving a > brief introduction > I was the 1st to go > when I finished my introduction the lecturor asked me some special > questions about my life > which I answered quite patiently > then I had allmost 10 to 15 people gathered around me > after the class they were qurious about their low vision friend > soon I got familiar with them > now they tell me that when we saw the very 1st day they we got very > imotional > specially the girls > they call me to see movie or just to have a nice hang out > they didn't had any idea to handle me > in earlier they used to pull me behind them > then I told them the right way to handle me > when I go in class then if I recorganise somebody I say hi to him or her > if not then they will come to my seet to meet me > if you want some tips then get in touch > I will be happy to help you > regards > > On 11/28/11, shyam sharma wrote: >> Hi Rahul, don't worry. Don't take it as a biggest problem of your >> life. As far as I think there is only one solution to it. If someone >> is not asking you then you should go and approach to him/her. Keep >> proving yourself to them that though you've not eyes but you can see >> everthing. keep friendship with them more strong than they do. Try to >> win their heart over. Never mind what their behaviour is to you just >> be positive and try everything without loosing your heart. >> One more important thing which I want to mention here that I would >> like to make friendship with you. Would you? >> >> shyam371...@gmail.com >> >> with warm regards: >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> > > > -- > Ajay Minocha > Mob : +91-7827188455 > E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com > ajaymanu...@gmail.com > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Hi rahul Though I have studied as a sighted person being sensitive I always chose friends who would always be by my side through thick and thin. Maybe your friends do not know how to handle you alone you can ask them that what is better and why and how you can go about with them when you are at move. You say that they do not call you for parties or other activities but do you also call them or shy away from them. Try and see within yourself, where you are weak and improve and then observe the difference. hey just add as many friends you can cash now in this list too. i usually go for friends or people who do not sympithise with me, instead i go for those who treat me equal. be my friend & think optimisticaly ... regards namita. On 11/28/11, Ajay Minocha wrote: > Hi rahul > sorry for a long mail > > it may sound harsh to you > but the main problam is the sighted guide > please don't mind but after passing your 12th you should devote some > time specially to have a nice mobility training > and when you sit in your group > then you should take active partisipation in their conversations > they will automatically ask you for hang outs > I had also faced the same situation when I was at school > because school students have a fear in their mind about handeling a > blind or low vision person > I had a positive thing with me > that I used to be an outstanding student in my school as well as college > so many people got excited to talk to me > and after that they became my good friends > when I passed my school I had a large number of friends and other > suggesting me to study with distence education plan > because they thought that going alone to college was not my cup of tea > my parents also thought that way > but when I went to college they are quite satisfied with me > I also remember the 1st day of my college > One of my sighted friend who was my class mate earlier > had dropped me to my class > an unknown person helped me to aquire a seet in class > when the lecturor came she asked us to present our selves by giving a > brief introduction > I was the 1st to go > when I finished my introduction the lecturor asked me some special > questions about my life > which I answered quite patiently > then I had allmost 10 to 15 people gathered around me > after the class they were qurious about their low vision friend > soon I got familiar with them > now they tell me that when we saw the very 1st day they we got very > imotional > specially the girls > they call me to see movie or just to have a nice hang out > they didn't had any idea to handle me > in earlier they used to pull me behind them > then I told them the right way to handle me > when I go in class then if I recorganise somebody I say hi to him or her > if not then they will come to my seet to meet me > if you want some tips then get in touch > I will be happy to help you > regards > > On 11/28/11, shyam sharma wrote: >> Hi Rahul, don't worry. Don't take it as a biggest problem of your >> life. As far as I think there is only one solution to it. If someone >> is not asking you then you should go and approach to him/her. Keep >> proving yourself to them that though you've not eyes but you can see >> everthing. keep friendship with them more strong than they do. Try to >> win their heart over. Never mind what their behaviour is to you just >> be positive and try everything without loosing your heart. >> One more important thing which I want to mention here that I would >> like to make friendship with you. Would you? >> >> shyam371...@gmail.com >> >> with warm regards: >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> > > > -- > Ajay Minocha > Mob : +91-7827188455 > E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com > ajaymanu...@gmail.com > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > -- regards namita Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Hi rahul sorry for a long mail it may sound harsh to you but the main problam is the sighted guide please don't mind but after passing your 12th you should devote some time specially to have a nice mobility training and when you sit in your group then you should take active partisipation in their conversations they will automatically ask you for hang outs I had also faced the same situation when I was at school because school students have a fear in their mind about handeling a blind or low vision person I had a positive thing with me that I used to be an outstanding student in my school as well as college so many people got excited to talk to me and after that they became my good friends when I passed my school I had a large number of friends and other suggesting me to study with distence education plan because they thought that going alone to college was not my cup of tea my parents also thought that way but when I went to college they are quite satisfied with me I also remember the 1st day of my college One of my sighted friend who was my class mate earlier had dropped me to my class an unknown person helped me to aquire a seet in class when the lecturor came she asked us to present our selves by giving a brief introduction I was the 1st to go when I finished my introduction the lecturor asked me some special questions about my life which I answered quite patiently then I had allmost 10 to 15 people gathered around me after the class they were qurious about their low vision friend soon I got familiar with them now they tell me that when we saw the very 1st day they we got very imotional specially the girls they call me to see movie or just to have a nice hang out they didn't had any idea to handle me in earlier they used to pull me behind them then I told them the right way to handle me when I go in class then if I recorganise somebody I say hi to him or her if not then they will come to my seet to meet me if you want some tips then get in touch I will be happy to help you regards On 11/28/11, shyam sharma wrote: > Hi Rahul, don't worry. Don't take it as a biggest problem of your > life. As far as I think there is only one solution to it. If someone > is not asking you then you should go and approach to him/her. Keep > proving yourself to them that though you've not eyes but you can see > everthing. keep friendship with them more strong than they do. Try to > win their heart over. Never mind what their behaviour is to you just > be positive and try everything without loosing your heart. > One more important thing which I want to mention here that I would > like to make friendship with you. Would you? > > shyam371...@gmail.com > > with warm regards: > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > -- Ajay Minocha Mob : +91-7827188455 E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com ajaymanu...@gmail.com Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Socialising
hi,, i am also facing this blindness from just 2-3 years and still my old friends are with me , i think more near. they don't cound me as a disable or blind but , they consider me same as them !! once i asked them that what do you all feel with me in your group ? they replied , we don't feel shy but , proud! because having a blind person in our group is only a thing of proud for us . and , they take me wherever they go . in parties,cinemas,malls,restaurants and resorts also . and the best thing is , i don't need any helper . they only take me everywhere . and , for an advice : just show your brain and ability when you enter new in school or university and see , how many persons will be with you !! including teachers THANKS , MAITREYA GIVE ME A CHANCE TO STAND & I WILL MOVE THE EARTH!! - Original Message - From: "Mujtaba Merchant" To: "Access India" Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Socialising Hello Rahul, What you wrote in your post is a brilliant observation. I am a recent blind and had a huge group of friends that I used to go out with to many social events and gatherings. After I lost my sight I have only a countable number of friends who call me and ask about my well being and some of them are curteous to make time for me and take me out for lunch or dinner on their expense. I totally understand their standing on additional responsibility when I accompany them anywhere. Some of them shy off because they would not be comfortable seen with a blind man. This I have seen specially with my lady friends. They fail to realize that I am the same person they loved to hang out with earlier and I am not any different but have a situation that could have happened to any of them. These are my views on your post. To compromise in many stages or situations when it comes to socializing is challenging at times and I understand your plight at that age where you are trying to fit in with your age group. I can suggest that you talk to this group of friends and tell them how you feel and get it in the open rather than further depress yourself. Those of your friends who truly value you will make no mess of the situation and look at activities that will involve you more, activities like eating outt, taking you for a walk on the beach if you have access to one or the pool, I had one crazy friend that took me to a theme park and we enjoyed the rides there, the reactions we got from the people etc. I guess it is all about perception at times because there is another group of friends that make it to the movies without me, which is cool I tell them that I would rent out the DVD instead Hahaha to them! I like spending my time more with my music system and the computer and at times I entertain orther fellow mates from my blind training institute at home. We all come up with various activities and pester my mother to feed us something that would get us feeling happy. Cheers! Mujtaba Merchant Bangalore, India Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Socialising
Hi Rahul, don't worry. Don't take it as a biggest problem of your life. As far as I think there is only one solution to it. If someone is not asking you then you should go and approach to him/her. Keep proving yourself to them that though you've not eyes but you can see everthing. keep friendship with them more strong than they do. Try to win their heart over. Never mind what their behaviour is to you just be positive and try everything without loosing your heart. One more important thing which I want to mention here that I would like to make friendship with you. Would you? shyam371...@gmail.com with warm regards: Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Socialising
Hi, I assume that you are going to join the college very soon and you will certainly come across your class-mates who are willing to socialize with you. Just one good tip though. If you can show others that you are someone to be worth having around, then you will automatically get friends. To give you an example: I always used to stand out in class in terms of my participation in class discussions and as the result my friend circle at the college as well as university level increased. Because when someone realizes that he/she benifits from having you around, then it is the magnetic power which will automatically increase your friend circle. But you have to be opened though. That's important since many visually challenged persons have a tendency to avoid others and it will not take you anywhere. So in a nut shell, be pationt until you get to the college level. Vetri. On 27/11/2011, Mujtaba Merchant wrote: > Hello Rahul, > > What you wrote in your post is a brilliant observation. I am a recent blind > and had a huge group of friends that I used to go out with to many social > events and gatherings. After I lost my sight I have only a countable number > of friends who call me and ask about my well being and some of them are > curteous to make time for me and take me out for lunch or dinner on their > expense. I totally understand their standing on additional responsibility > when I accompany them anywhere. Some of them shy off because they would not > be comfortable seen with a blind man. This I have seen specially with my > lady friends. They fail to realize that I am the same person they loved to > hang out with earlier and I am not any different but have a situation that > could have happened to any of them. > > These are my views on your post. To compromise in many stages or situations > when it comes to socializing is challenging at times and I understand your > plight at that age where you are trying to fit in with your age group. I can > suggest that you talk to this group of friends and tell them how you feel > and get it in the open rather than further depress yourself. Those of your > friends who truly value you will make no mess of the situation and look at > activities that will involve you more, activities like eating outt, taking > you for a walk on the beach if you have access to one or the pool, I had one > crazy friend that took me to a theme park and we enjoyed the rides there, > the reactions we got from the people etc. I guess it is all about perception > at times because there is another group of friends that make it to the > movies without me, which is cool I tell them that I would rent out the DVD > instead Hahaha to them! > > I like spending my time more with my music system and the computer and at > times I entertain orther fellow mates from my blind training institute at > home. We all come up with various activities and pester my mother to feed us > something that would get us feeling happy. > > Cheers! > Mujtaba Merchant > Bangalore, India > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Socialising
Hello Rahul, What you wrote in your post is a brilliant observation. I am a recent blind and had a huge group of friends that I used to go out with to many social events and gatherings. After I lost my sight I have only a countable number of friends who call me and ask about my well being and some of them are curteous to make time for me and take me out for lunch or dinner on their expense. I totally understand their standing on additional responsibility when I accompany them anywhere. Some of them shy off because they would not be comfortable seen with a blind man. This I have seen specially with my lady friends. They fail to realize that I am the same person they loved to hang out with earlier and I am not any different but have a situation that could have happened to any of them. These are my views on your post. To compromise in many stages or situations when it comes to socializing is challenging at times and I understand your plight at that age where you are trying to fit in with your age group. I can suggest that you talk to this group of friends and tell them how you feel and get it in the open rather than further depress yourself. Those of your friends who truly value you will make no mess of the situation and look at activities that will involve you more, activities like eating outt, taking you for a walk on the beach if you have access to one or the pool, I had one crazy friend that took me to a theme park and we enjoyed the rides there, the reactions we got from the people etc. I guess it is all about perception at times because there is another group of friends that make it to the movies without me, which is cool I tell them that I would rent out the DVD instead Hahaha to them! I like spending my time more with my music system and the computer and at times I entertain orther fellow mates from my blind training institute at home. We all come up with various activities and pester my mother to feed us something that would get us feeling happy. Cheers! Mujtaba Merchant Bangalore, India Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] Socialising
Hi all, I hope you all are well. Like I've mentioned in my earlier posts, I'm 17 and am currently in 12th grade. I have quite a few sighted friends, but I've noticed that they hardly ever call me when they go for movies, have birthday parties or have get-togethers. I feel that my visual impairment is a major reason for this. We have appointed a sighted guide who goes with me everywhere. So, I often get depressed and frustrated when my friends don't call me. In fact, for me, this is the biggest challenge that I currently have to face due to my visual impairment. I can't even ask my friends if they don't call me because of my visual problem, because none of them will ever admit it. So, has anyone here faced this problem? Please share your views and suggestions. Cheers, Rahul Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
