[AFMUG] Rocket AC lite connected to Rocket M5 base?

[TJ Trout]

I know that you can connect legacy airmax M devices to a rocket AC on newer
firmware but can you do the reverse?

Deploy rocket AC radios on a airmax M sector?

TJ
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Re: [AFMUG] OT aintcha glad

[John Osmon]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 03:51:38PM -0700, Bill Prince wrote:
[...[
> Makes a good argument for setting up experimental laws that can fail fast,
> and get replaced by a different theoretical solution.

How about mandatory sunset clauses on all laws?

  
http://miscreantsinaction.blogspot.com/2011/08/simplified-legal-system-via-mandatory.html

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Re: [AFMUG] OT aintcha glad

[Steve Jones]

I was going to abide by lent.
As it was dumbed down to my by a doctor. Opiates target a specific
receptor  in the brain that when engaged causes dopamine to release. Or its
a dopamine receptor that the opiate targets, don't recall which. It's
literally the same thing as a runners high, and post coitus bliss.
The first time you do opiates, more so with heroin, the opiate receptor
gets "stretched" the opiate molecule is slightly larger than the actual
molecule. This alters the receptor. That's why heroin is called chasing the
dragon. This first time is the only time it's "stretched" you literally can
never achieve that same high, so trying to do so is like chasing a dragon,
it will never happen.
Nalaxone  (narcan) plugs up this receptor, so the opiate just half life's
out and is discharged. If you're on narcan, you can't experience a runners
high, though I doubt many people run a marathon right after an OD.
THC does none of the above


On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:08 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> THC addiction is not like opioid addiction. A very high percentage of
> people can become addicted to opioids, but a very small percentage of
> people can become addicted to THC. The numbers that I've seen are in the
> range of 5-10 percent.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/31/2018 8:15 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> At the risk of breaking lent, I was not aware that there was such a thing
> as a physical addiction to THC.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:48 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT aintcha glad
>
> Lent
>
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2018, 7:09 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Neither of those articles mention the word "addiction" with regard to THC
>> or marijuana.
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 4:58 PM Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151023083229.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> https://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/07/11/marijuana-pregnant-thc-positive-babies-colorado/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 4:24 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT aintcha glad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please elaborate.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 30, 2018, Rory Conaway 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> No but addicted children birth rates have gone way up in hospitals.
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 4:03 PM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT aintcha glad
>>>
>>> On 8/30/18 3:55 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> > Utah has medicinal pot on the ballot this fall.  Who woulda thunk...
>>>
>>> So far the world hasn't ended in states that went full legal.
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

[Chuck Hogg]

No

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 7:05 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> Ok, that's interesting and I certainly didn't see that in my super-duper
> quick scan..   UBNT has a contract with cambium?
>
> On 08/31/2018 01:26 PM, Timothy Steele wrote:
> > I read through that case there sueing more to get out of there contract
> > with cambium then money and the end user is suspected of making profit
> > and helping cambium
> >
> > I'm NOT saying UBNT is right or wrong
> >
> > There is just not enough information out yet to get super angry yet
> >
> > Very interested to see how this case unfolds though
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 4:17 PM Sean Heskett  > > wrote:
> >
> > don't forget that they then sue users, distributors and competitors
> > for conspiracy to hack when you load another OS/UI on their
> > commodity hardware that you own outright.
> >
> > Just sayin'
> >
> > -Sean
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:05 AM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
> > mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>> wrote:
> >
> > UBNT is doing what UBNT does.  They take commodity hardware and
> > wrap it in a shiny box with a slick UI. 
> >
> > The commodity hardware is cheap and works reliably well.  Don’t
> > hate on something that sells well because it is easy to use.
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > No, they aren’t selling glass.  They expect you to do that part
> > on your own.
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Jim Bouse
> > Owner - Brazos WiFi
> > 979-985-5912
> > http://www.brazoswifi.com
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > *From:* AF  > > *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones
> > *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 8:44 AM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  > >
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > I don't trust ubnt in any space. That's why their fiber stuffs
> > aren't even on our radar. They're just doing the electronics
> > right? Tell me they're not in the glass game itself. Tell me God
> > they're not selling tough fiber or anything like that to rot in
> > the ground
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 2:25 PM  > > wrote:
> >
> > I can generally get a building permit to use a public
> > utility ROW or the side of a street for almost free. 
> >
> > Perhaps use a customers home for everything in exchange for
> > service etc. 
> >
> > 
> >
> > I agree, for 30 PON is a good way to go.  But I like the
> > simplicity of AE, the fact that I can cast shade on PON
> > based competitors and not having to deal with splitters. 
> >
> > 
> >
> > And I do PON all day long with Calix.  But for a non
> > regulated for profit startup, Calix is not the way to go.
> >
> > However I do not trust UBNT in this space... yet...
> >
> > 
> >
> > 
> >
> > *From:*Colin Stanners 
> >
> > *Sent:*Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:18 PM
> >
> > *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
> >
> > 
> >
> > ActiveEthernet: Property acquisition for the land, legal
> > fees, concrete pad, electrical install, cabinet, UPS,
> > heating/cooling, fiber switch is probably $10,000 - 15,000
> > including cost of time. When we're busy I'm not sure that it
> > would be worth doing for only 30 homes.
> >
> > 
> >
> > PON: two 1x16 fiber splitters that fit in existing splice
> > cases and require none of that support cost $60 each.
> >
> > 
> >
> > Shared bandwidth...16 customers sharing 2.5gbit fiber looks
> > pretty good when we still have tower sites with 16 customers
> > on a 10mbit 2.4Ghz FSK AP. And 10Gbit GPON seems to be
> > coming soon... 
> >
> > 
> >
> > 
> >
> > 
> >
> > 
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 2:04 PM  > > wrote:
> >
> > If you have one strand going out there, you hang a
> > switch and give all 30 homes active E. 
> >
> > 
> >
> > Each home needs a drop. 
> >
> > So you have to connect the drop to either a splitter or
> > an SFP. 
> >
> > 
> >
> > With AE you will have to power the switch but then  you
> > have no shared bandwidth, it 

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

[Robert Andrews]

Ok, that's interesting and I certainly didn't see that in my super-duper 
quick scan..   UBNT has a contract with cambium?


On 08/31/2018 01:26 PM, Timothy Steele wrote:
I read through that case there sueing more to get out of there contract 
with cambium then money and the end user is suspected of making profit 
and helping cambium


I'm NOT saying UBNT is right or wrong

There is just not enough information out yet to get super angry yet

Very interested to see how this case unfolds though

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 4:17 PM Sean Heskett > wrote:


don't forget that they then sue users, distributors and competitors
for conspiracy to hack when you load another OS/UI on their
commodity hardware that you own outright.

Just sayin'

-Sean



On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:05 AM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>> wrote:

UBNT is doing what UBNT does.  They take commodity hardware and
wrap it in a shiny box with a slick UI. 

The commodity hardware is cheap and works reliably well.  Don’t
hate on something that sells well because it is easy to use.

__ __

No, they aren’t selling glass.  They expect you to do that part
on your own.

__ __

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

__ __

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

__ __

I don't trust ubnt in any space. That's why their fiber stuffs
aren't even on our radar. They're just doing the electronics
right? Tell me they're not in the glass game itself. Tell me God
they're not selling tough fiber or anything like that to rot in
the ground

__ __

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 2:25 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I can generally get a building permit to use a public
utility ROW or the side of a street for almost free. 

Perhaps use a customers home for everything in exchange for
service etc. 



I agree, for 30 PON is a good way to go.  But I like the
simplicity of AE, the fact that I can cast shade on PON
based competitors and not having to deal with splitters. 



And I do PON all day long with Calix.  But for a non
regulated for profit startup, Calix is not the way to go.

However I do not trust UBNT in this space... yet...





*From:*Colin Stanners 

*Sent:*Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:18 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber



ActiveEthernet: Property acquisition for the land, legal
fees, concrete pad, electrical install, cabinet, UPS,
heating/cooling, fiber switch is probably $10,000 - 15,000
including cost of time. When we're busy I'm not sure that it
would be worth doing for only 30 homes.



PON: two 1x16 fiber splitters that fit in existing splice
cases and require none of that support cost $60 each.



Shared bandwidth...16 customers sharing 2.5gbit fiber looks
pretty good when we still have tower sites with 16 customers
on a 10mbit 2.4Ghz FSK AP. And 10Gbit GPON seems to be
coming soon... 









On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 2:04 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

If you have one strand going out there, you hang a
switch and give all 30 homes active E. 



Each home needs a drop. 

So you have to connect the drop to either a splitter or
an SFP. 



With AE you will have to power the switch but then  you
have no shared bandwidth, it has market cache vs shared
bandwidth old fashioned GPON etc...







*From:*Colin Stanners 

*Sent:*Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:57 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber



That's the main reason, and it branches into
upgradeability. If a new 30-house subdivision appears in
a field a few miles from your headend, and you have a
 

Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Pico Station Replacement

[Dave]

Cambium epmp1000 hotspot kit.
Comes with 2 5dbi antennas and in 2 different bands 2.4G and 5G



On 08/31/2018 09:27 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

Any cheap, outdoor replacements for the Pico Station omni?





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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

[Timothy Steele]

I read through that case there sueing more to get out of there contract
with cambium then money and the end user is suspected of making profit and
helping cambium

I'm NOT saying UBNT is right or wrong

There is just not enough information out yet to get super angry yet

Very interested to see how this case unfolds though

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 4:17 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> don't forget that they then sue users, distributors and competitors for
> conspiracy to hack when you load another OS/UI on their commodity hardware
> that you own outright.
>
> Just sayin'
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:05 AM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <
> j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:
>
>> UBNT is doing what UBNT does.  They take commodity hardware and wrap it
>> in a shiny box with a slick UI.
>>
>> The commodity hardware is cheap and works reliably well.  Don’t hate on
>> something that sells well because it is easy to use.
>>
>>
>>
>> No, they aren’t selling glass.  They expect you to do that part on your
>> own.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Bouse
>> Owner - Brazos WiFi
>> 979-985-5912
>> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 8:44 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't trust ubnt in any space. That's why their fiber stuffs aren't
>> even on our radar. They're just doing the electronics right? Tell me
>> they're not in the glass game itself. Tell me God they're not selling tough
>> fiber or anything like that to rot in the ground
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 2:25 PM  wrote:
>>
>> I can generally get a building permit to use a public utility ROW or the
>> side of a street for almost free.
>>
>> Perhaps use a customers home for everything in exchange for service etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree, for 30 PON is a good way to go.  But I like the simplicity of
>> AE, the fact that I can cast shade on PON based competitors and not having
>> to deal with splitters.
>>
>>
>>
>> And I do PON all day long with Calix.  But for a non regulated for profit
>> startup, Calix is not the way to go.
>>
>> However I do not trust UBNT in this space... yet...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Colin Stanners
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:18 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>>
>>
>>
>> ActiveEthernet: Property acquisition for the land, legal fees, concrete
>> pad, electrical install, cabinet, UPS, heating/cooling, fiber switch is
>> probably $10,000 - 15,000 including cost of time. When we're busy I'm not
>> sure that it would be worth doing for only 30 homes.
>>
>>
>>
>> PON: two 1x16 fiber splitters that fit in existing splice cases and
>> require none of that support cost $60 each.
>>
>>
>>
>> Shared bandwidth...16 customers sharing 2.5gbit fiber looks pretty good
>> when we still have tower sites with 16 customers on a 10mbit 2.4Ghz FSK AP.
>> And 10Gbit GPON seems to be coming soon...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 2:04 PM  wrote:
>>
>> If you have one strand going out there, you hang a switch and give all 30
>> homes active E.
>>
>>
>>
>> Each home needs a drop.
>>
>> So you have to connect the drop to either a splitter or an SFP.
>>
>>
>>
>> With AE you will have to power the switch but then  you have no shared
>> bandwidth, it has market cache vs shared bandwidth old fashioned GPON etc...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Colin Stanners
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:57 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>>
>>
>>
>> That's the main reason, and it branches into upgradeability. If a new
>> 30-house subdivision appears in a field a few miles from your headend, and
>> you have a spare 10 strands going out there, you only need to use 2-3
>> strands instead of running new 48-strand cable the whole way.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:53 PM  wrote:
>>
>> So, other than the obvious strand count advantages, why would you use
>> this vs active ethernet?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:04 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>>
>>
>>
>> It works fine.  We have it in 2 subdivisions.
>> It is brain dead simple to configure.
>>
>> Since it “Just Works” there isn’t a lot to configure.  The ONU (cpe) can
>> run in bridge or router mode.  I’m not sure what the routing/NAT speeds are
>> capable of but it will do 1G in bridge mode without breaking a sweat.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Bouse
>> Owner - Brazos WiFi
>> 979-985-5912
>> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:17 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone actually have this equipment in a production environment?  I
>> have a test setup, just haven't heard much discussion 

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

[Sean Heskett]

don't forget that they then sue users, distributors and competitors for
conspiracy to hack when you load another OS/UI on their commodity hardware
that you own outright.

Just sayin'

-Sean



On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:05 AM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
wrote:

> UBNT is doing what UBNT does.  They take commodity hardware and wrap it in
> a shiny box with a slick UI.
>
> The commodity hardware is cheap and works reliably well.  Don’t hate on
> something that sells well because it is easy to use.
>
>
>
> No, they aren’t selling glass.  They expect you to do that part on your
> own.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 8:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>
>
>
> I don't trust ubnt in any space. That's why their fiber stuffs aren't even
> on our radar. They're just doing the electronics right? Tell me they're not
> in the glass game itself. Tell me God they're not selling tough fiber or
> anything like that to rot in the ground
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 2:25 PM  wrote:
>
> I can generally get a building permit to use a public utility ROW or the
> side of a street for almost free.
>
> Perhaps use a customers home for everything in exchange for service etc.
>
>
>
> I agree, for 30 PON is a good way to go.  But I like the simplicity of AE,
> the fact that I can cast shade on PON based competitors and not having to
> deal with splitters.
>
>
>
> And I do PON all day long with Calix.  But for a non regulated for profit
> startup, Calix is not the way to go.
>
> However I do not trust UBNT in this space... yet...
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:18 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>
>
>
> ActiveEthernet: Property acquisition for the land, legal fees, concrete
> pad, electrical install, cabinet, UPS, heating/cooling, fiber switch is
> probably $10,000 - 15,000 including cost of time. When we're busy I'm not
> sure that it would be worth doing for only 30 homes.
>
>
>
> PON: two 1x16 fiber splitters that fit in existing splice cases and
> require none of that support cost $60 each.
>
>
>
> Shared bandwidth...16 customers sharing 2.5gbit fiber looks pretty good
> when we still have tower sites with 16 customers on a 10mbit 2.4Ghz FSK AP.
> And 10Gbit GPON seems to be coming soon...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 2:04 PM  wrote:
>
> If you have one strand going out there, you hang a switch and give all 30
> homes active E.
>
>
>
> Each home needs a drop.
>
> So you have to connect the drop to either a splitter or an SFP.
>
>
>
> With AE you will have to power the switch but then  you have no shared
> bandwidth, it has market cache vs shared bandwidth old fashioned GPON etc...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:57 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>
>
>
> That's the main reason, and it branches into upgradeability. If a new
> 30-house subdivision appears in a field a few miles from your headend, and
> you have a spare 10 strands going out there, you only need to use 2-3
> strands instead of running new 48-strand cable the whole way.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:53 PM  wrote:
>
> So, other than the obvious strand count advantages, why would you use this
> vs active ethernet?
>
>
>
> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:04 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>
>
>
> It works fine.  We have it in 2 subdivisions.
> It is brain dead simple to configure.
>
> Since it “Just Works” there isn’t a lot to configure.  The ONU (cpe) can
> run in bridge or router mode.  I’m not sure what the routing/NAT speeds are
> capable of but it will do 1G in bridge mode without breaking a sweat.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:17 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>
>
>
> Does anyone actually have this equipment in a production environment?  I
> have a test setup, just haven't heard much discussion about it so I thought
> I'd check with the group.
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

[Timothy Steele]

Acctuly there is tough fiber unless they stopped making it..


The new tough cable is good


If you got burned by the old tough cable that had dry rot I can understand
the anger

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 10:22 AM Chuck Hogg 
wrote:

> It's Broadcom under the hood.
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
>> You get burned with something?
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2018, at 9:43 AM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't trust ubnt in any space. That's why their fiber stuffs aren't
>> even on our radar. They're just doing the electronics right? Tell me
>> they're not in the glass game itself. Tell me God they're not selling tough
>> fiber or anything like that to rot in the ground
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 2:25 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> I can generally get a building permit to use a public utility ROW or the
>>> side of a street for almost free.
>>> Perhaps use a customers home for everything in exchange for service
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> I agree, for 30 PON is a good way to go.  But I like the simplicity of
>>> AE, the fact that I can cast shade on PON based competitors and not having
>>> to deal with splitters.
>>>
>>> And I do PON all day long with Calix.  But for a non regulated for
>>> profit startup, Calix is not the way to go.
>>> However I do not trust UBNT in this space... yet...
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Colin Stanners
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:18 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>>>
>>> ActiveEthernet: Property acquisition for the land, legal fees, concrete
>>> pad, electrical install, cabinet, UPS, heating/cooling, fiber switch is
>>> probably $10,000 - 15,000 including cost of time. When we're busy I'm not
>>> sure that it would be worth doing for only 30 homes.
>>>
>>> PON: two 1x16 fiber splitters that fit in existing splice cases and
>>> require none of that support cost $60 each.
>>>
>>> Shared bandwidth...16 customers sharing 2.5gbit fiber looks pretty good
>>> when we still have tower sites with 16 customers on a 10mbit 2.4Ghz FSK AP.
>>> And 10Gbit GPON seems to be coming soon...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 2:04 PM  wrote:
>>>
 If you have one strand going out there, you hang a switch and give all
 30 homes active E.

 Each home needs a drop.
 So you have to connect the drop to either a splitter or an SFP.

 With AE you will have to power the switch but then  you have no shared
 bandwidth, it has market cache vs shared bandwidth old fashioned GPON 
 etc...



 *From:* Colin Stanners
 *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:57 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

 That's the main reason, and it branches into upgradeability. If a new
 30-house subdivision appears in a field a few miles from your headend, and
 you have a spare 10 strands going out there, you only need to use 2-3
 strands instead of running new 48-strand cable the whole way.

 On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:53 PM  wrote:

> So, other than the obvious strand count advantages, why would you use
> this vs active ethernet?
>
> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>
>
> It works fine.  We have it in 2 subdivisions.
> It is brain dead simple to configure.
>
> Since it “Just Works” there isn’t a lot to configure.  The ONU (cpe)
> can run in bridge or router mode.  I’m not sure what the routing/NAT 
> speeds
> are capable of but it will do 1G in bridge mode without breaking a sweat.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:17 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>
>
>
> Does anyone actually have this equipment in a production environment?
> I have a test setup, just haven't heard much discussion about it so I
> thought I'd check with the group.
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Pico Station Replacement

[Timothy Steele]

BulletM2 HP should be cheap on eBay

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:02 AM can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> Just regular WiFi. Looking for 2.4GHz.
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Zach Underwood 
> wrote:
>
>> Unifi or airmax?
>> Unifi would be mesh outdoor.
>> Airmax, they had a beta of a bullet with AC.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 10:29 AM can...@believewireless.net <
>> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Any cheap, outdoor replacements for the Pico Station omni?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Lmr400 and connectors in or about peoria illinois

[chuck]

Transmit signal at 350 MHz • Receive signal at 140 MHz 

“The maximum permitted IF cable length is 190 meters (620 ft) for CNT-400 
cable. If the required IF cable length is between 190 and 300 meters (620 ft 
and 980 ft), contact Technical Support. “
Another place shows 100 meters of cable = 8 dB loss.  So presumably you can 
have 16 dB of loss in the IF cable at 350 Mhz.

If the run is short enough you could probably get by with just about any kind 
of cable.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 11:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Lmr400 and connectors in or about peoria illinois

So it's verified good odu, lmr or heliax is needed.

On Aug 31, 2018 12:09 PM, "Robert Andrews"  wrote:

  Oh do I not miss dealing with LMR-400/pigtails/connectors, 
  etc,etc,etc...  Just the noise off the dish to radio pigtails is still a 
  pita... 


  On 08/31/2018 10:04 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
  > Bringing down the ODU for testing. May need a line on that, think it's 
  > low 11
  > 
  > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:39 AM Rick Harnish  > wrote:
  > 
  > You might check with Joshua Powell joshua.pow...@rocketcommtech.com

  > .  He may have what you
  > need.
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > Respectfully,
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > -BaiCells_Tiny3-
  > 
  > Rick Harnish
  > 
  > *__ __*
  > 
  > Director of WISP Markets
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > Baicells Technologies North America, Inc. 
  > 
  > Mobile:  (260) 307-4000
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > rick.harn...@na.baicells.com 
  > 
  > www.facebook.com/baicells 
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > *From:* AF  > *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
  > *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 12:06 PM
  > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Lmr400 and connectors in or about peoria
  > illinois
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  >  From quick search, check out these guys
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > http://www.eastpeoriapawn.com/ham__cb_radio 

  > 
  > East Peoria Trading Company & Discount Bagger Audio
  > 213 East Washington St.
  > East Peoria, IL61611

  > ph: 309-699-7296 
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > https://www.supremeradio.com/
  > 
  > 4017 N Prospect Rd
  > 
  > Peoria Heights, IL 61616, USA 
  > 
  > 309-682-0831 
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > __ __ 

  > 
  > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:59 AM Steve Jones

  > mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
  > wrote: 

  > 
  > Are there any vendors in this vicinity with Lmr400 equivalent

  > and terminations N
  > 
  > __ __ 

  > 
  > Heliax 1/2 ldf 4 even better though tooling would need to be

  > purchased.
  > 
  > __ __ 

  > 
  > May need a ptp800, though it's doubtful anyone nearby would have

  > the right one.
  > 
  > __ __ 

  > 
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Re: [AFMUG] Lmr400 and connectors in or about peoria illinois

[chuck]

Depending on the IF frequency, you may not need such good coax.  
How long is the run?

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 11:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Lmr400 and connectors in or about peoria illinois

So it's verified good odu, lmr or heliax is needed.

On Aug 31, 2018 12:09 PM, "Robert Andrews"  wrote:

  Oh do I not miss dealing with LMR-400/pigtails/connectors, 
  etc,etc,etc...  Just the noise off the dish to radio pigtails is still a 
  pita... 


  On 08/31/2018 10:04 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
  > Bringing down the ODU for testing. May need a line on that, think it's 
  > low 11
  > 
  > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:39 AM Rick Harnish  > wrote:
  > 
  > You might check with Joshua Powell joshua.pow...@rocketcommtech.com

  > .  He may have what you
  > need.
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > Respectfully,
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > -BaiCells_Tiny3-
  > 
  > Rick Harnish
  > 
  > *__ __*
  > 
  > Director of WISP Markets
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > Baicells Technologies North America, Inc. 
  > 
  > Mobile:  (260) 307-4000
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > rick.harn...@na.baicells.com 
  > 
  > www.facebook.com/baicells 
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > *From:* AF  > *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
  > *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 12:06 PM
  > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Lmr400 and connectors in or about peoria
  > illinois
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  >  From quick search, check out these guys
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > http://www.eastpeoriapawn.com/ham__cb_radio 

  > 
  > East Peoria Trading Company & Discount Bagger Audio
  > 213 East Washington St.
  > East Peoria, IL61611

  > ph: 309-699-7296 
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > https://www.supremeradio.com/
  > 
  > 4017 N Prospect Rd
  > 
  > Peoria Heights, IL 61616, USA 
  > 
  > 309-682-0831 
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > __ __ 

  > 
  > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:59 AM Steve Jones

  > mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
  > wrote: 

  > 
  > Are there any vendors in this vicinity with Lmr400 equivalent

  > and terminations N
  > 
  > __ __ 

  > 
  > Heliax 1/2 ldf 4 even better though tooling would need to be

  > purchased.
  > 
  > __ __ 

  > 
  > May need a ptp800, though it's doubtful anyone nearby would have

  > the right one.
  > 
  > __ __ 

  > 
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Re: [AFMUG] Lmr400 and connectors in or about peoria illinois

[Steve Jones]

So it's verified good odu, lmr or heliax is needed.

On Aug 31, 2018 12:09 PM, "Robert Andrews"  wrote:

Oh do I not miss dealing with LMR-400/pigtails/connectors,
etc,etc,etc...  Just the noise off the dish to radio pigtails is still a
pita...


On 08/31/2018 10:04 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> Bringing down the ODU for testing. May need a line on that, think it's
> low 11
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:39 AM Rick Harnish  > wrote:
>
> You might check with Joshua Powell joshua.pow...@rocketcommtech.com
> .  He may have what you
> need.
>
> __ __
>
> Respectfully,
>
> __ __
>
> -BaiCells_Tiny3-
>
> Rick Harnish
>
> *__ __*
>
> Director of WISP Markets
>
> __ __
>
> Baicells Technologies North America, Inc. 
>
> Mobile:  (260) 307-4000
>
> __ __
>
> rick.harn...@na.baicells.com 
>
> www.facebook.com/baicells 
>
> __ __
>
> __ __
>
> *From:* AF  > *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 12:06 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Lmr400 and connectors in or about peoria
> illinois
>
> __ __
>
>  From quick search, check out these guys
>
> __ __
>
> http://www.eastpeoriapawn.com/ham__cb_radio

>
> East Peoria Trading Company & Discount Bagger Audio
> 213 East Washington St.
> East Peoria, IL61611
> ph: 309-699-7296 
>
> __ __
>
> https://www.supremeradio.com/
>
> 4017 N Prospect Rd
>
> Peoria Heights, IL 61616, USA 
>
> 309-682-0831 
>
> __ __
>
> __ __

>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:59 AM Steve Jones
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:

>
> Are there any vendors in this vicinity with Lmr400 equivalent
> and terminations N
>
> __ __

>
> Heliax 1/2 ldf 4 even better though tooling would need to be
> purchased.
>
> __ __

>
> May need a ptp800, though it's doubtful anyone nearby would have
> the right one.
>
> __ __

>
> We just got on site, but are trying to cover all bases ahead of
> time.
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Re: [AFMUG] Lmr400 and connectors in or about peoria illinois

[Robert Andrews]

Oh do I not miss dealing with LMR-400/pigtails/connectors, 
etc,etc,etc...  Just the noise off the dish to radio pigtails is still a 
pita...


On 08/31/2018 10:04 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Bringing down the ODU for testing. May need a line on that, think it's 
low 11


On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:39 AM Rick Harnish > wrote:


You might check with Joshua Powell joshua.pow...@rocketcommtech.com
.  He may have what you
need.

__ __

Respectfully,

__ __

-BaiCells_Tiny3-

Rick Harnish

*__ __*

Director of WISP Markets

__ __

Baicells Technologies North America, Inc. 

Mobile:  (260) 307-4000

__ __

rick.harn...@na.baicells.com 

www.facebook.com/baicells 

__ __

__ __

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 12:06 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Lmr400 and connectors in or about peoria
illinois

__ __

 From quick search, check out these guys

__ __

http://www.eastpeoriapawn.com/ham__cb_radio

East Peoria Trading Company & Discount Bagger Audio
213 East Washington St.
East Peoria, IL61611
ph: 309-699-7296 

__ __

https://www.supremeradio.com/

4017 N Prospect Rd

Peoria Heights, IL 61616, USA 

309-682-0831 

__ __

__ __

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:59 AM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Are there any vendors in this vicinity with Lmr400 equivalent
and terminations N

__ __

Heliax 1/2 ldf 4 even better though tooling would need to be
purchased.

__ __

May need a ptp800, though it's doubtful anyone nearby would have
the right one.

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Re: [AFMUG] Lmr400 and connectors in or about peoria illinois

[Steve Jones]

Bringing down the ODU for testing. May need a line on that, think it's low
11

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:39 AM Rick Harnish 
wrote:

> You might check with Joshua Powell joshua.pow...@rocketcommtech.com.  He
> may have what you need.
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> -[image: BaiCells_Tiny3]-
>
> Rick Harnish
>
>
>
> Director of WISP Markets
>
>
>
> Baicells Technologies North America, Inc. 
>
> Mobile:  (260) 307-4000
>
>
>
> rick.harn...@na.baicells.com
>
> www.facebook.com/baicells
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 12:06 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Lmr400 and connectors in or about peoria illinois
>
>
>
> From quick search, check out these guys
>
>
>
> http://www.eastpeoriapawn.com/ham__cb_radio
>
> East Peoria Trading Company & Discount Bagger Audio
> 213 East Washington St.
> East Peoria, IL 61611
> ph: 309-699-7296
>
>
>
> https://www.supremeradio.com/
>
> 4017 N Prospect Rd
>
> Peoria Heights, IL 61616, USA
>
> 309-682-0831
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:59 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Are there any vendors in this vicinity with Lmr400 equivalent and
> terminations N
>
>
>
> Heliax 1/2 ldf 4 even better though tooling would need to be purchased.
>
>
>
> May need a ptp800, though it's doubtful anyone nearby would have the right
> one.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Lmr400 and connectors in or about peoria illinois

[Rick Harnish]

You might check with Joshua Powell joshua.pow...@rocketcommtech.com 
 .  He may have what you need.

 

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 12:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Lmr400 and connectors in or about peoria illinois

 

>From quick search, check out these guys

 

http://www.eastpeoriapawn.com/ham__cb_radio

East Peoria Trading Company & Discount Bagger Audio
213 East Washington St.
East Peoria, IL 61611
ph: 309-699-7296 

 

https://www.supremeradio.com/

4017 N Prospect Rd

Peoria Heights, IL 61616, USA 

309-682-0831 

 

 

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:59 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Are there any vendors in this vicinity with Lmr400 equivalent and terminations N

 

Heliax 1/2 ldf 4 even better though tooling would need to be purchased.

 

May need a ptp800, though it's doubtful anyone nearby would have the right one.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT aintcha glad

[Bill Prince]

  
  
THC addiction is not like opioid addiction. A very high
  percentage of people can become addicted to opioids, but a very
  small percentage of people can become addicted to THC. The numbers
  that I've seen are in the range of 5-10 percent.


bp



On 8/31/2018 8:15 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  At the risk of breaking lent, I was not aware that there
was such a thing as a physical addiction to THC.  
  

   
  
From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT aintcha glad
  

 
  
  
Lent
 

  On Thu, Aug 30, 2018, 7:09 PM Bill Prince

wrote:
  
  

  Neither of those articles mention the word
"addiction" with regard to THC or marijuana.
   
  

  

  
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  On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 4:58 PM Rory
Conaway 
wrote:
  
  

  
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151023083229.htm

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/07/11/marijuana-pregnant-thc-positive-babies-colorado/
 
Rory
 
From:
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PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT aintcha glad
 
Please elaborate.
  
  On Thursday, August 30, 2018, Rory Conaway
  
  wrote:
No but addicted children
  birth rates have gone way up in hospitals.  
  
  Rory
  
  -Original Message-
  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
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  On 8/30/18 3:55 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:
  > Utah has medicinal pot on the ballot this
  fall.  Who woulda thunk...
  
  So far the world hasn't ended in states that
  went full legal.
  
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Re: [AFMUG] Lmr400 and connectors in or about peoria illinois

[Colin Stanners]

>From quick search, check out these guys

http://www.eastpeoriapawn.com/ham__cb_radio
East Peoria Trading Company & Discount Bagger Audio
213 East Washington St.
East Peoria, IL 61611
ph: 309-699-7296

https://www.supremeradio.com/
4017 N Prospect Rd
Peoria Heights, IL 61616, USA
309-682-0831


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> Are there any vendors in this vicinity with Lmr400 equivalent and
> terminations N
>
> Heliax 1/2 ldf 4 even better though tooling would need to be purchased.
>
> May need a ptp800, though it's doubtful anyone nearby would have the right
> one.
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Re: [AFMUG] Lmr400 and connectors in or about peoria illinois

[chuck]

I used to live in Quincy and there was a good distributor there, but that is a 
couple of hours away.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 9:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Lmr400 and connectors in or about peoria illinois

Are there any vendors in this vicinity with Lmr400 equivalent and terminations 
N 

Heliax 1/2 ldf 4 even better though tooling would need to be purchased.

May need a ptp800, though it's doubtful anyone nearby would have the right one.

We just got on site, but are trying to cover all bases ahead of time.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT another totally off subject question

[Bill Prince]

  
  
That would not have worked on our trailer, as the slots were
  dimensioned for finished lumber.

bp



On 8/31/2018 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  I just bough 7 planks of 2” x 12” x 18’ apitong.  Rough
sawn so they really are 2” thick.  
  And I bough the fancy oil.  It was $8.70 per square
foot.  
  Supposed to be much stronger than oak.  
  https://www.trailerdecking.com/wood-charts.aspx
   
  Funny, locally on craigslist someone is selling old
boxcar oak flooring for 5 times this amount.  
  

  
From: Jeremy 
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 8:08 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT another totally off
  subject question
  

 
  
  
Everyone recommends Apitong.  Treated lumber
  is not recommended, and I don't remember why.  I ended up
  just using redwood or something and then oiling it.  They
  say diesel fuel works really well too.
 

  On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 8:34 AM  wrote:
  
  

  

  Does look nice.  I am loading bulldozers,
mini excavators, directional drills etc.  I
worry about not using hardwood for the
strength.  
  

   
  
From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018
  10:32 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT another
  totally off subject question
  

 
  
  
I just recently re-decked our utility
  trailer. The original planking was standard 2"
  lumber (don't know what species). It lasted
  for at least a decade before it started to
  come apart.
I replaced it with 2x pressure treated doug
  fir (2x6 and 2x8 to fit the available spaces).
  After re-decking it, I double-coated it with
  wood preservative/sealer. Came out pretty
  nice.
bp



On 8/29/2018 5:57 PM,
  Chuck McCown wrote:


  

  Need to redeck the wood on my lowboy
trailer.  
  My HDD almost fell through it last
night.  
   
  Was thinking of using pressure
treated soft wood.  
   
  Love to find some oak.  But I see
that there is a wood called apitong that
many swear by.  
   
  Soft wood might be too weak.  Not
sure what was there originally, perhaps
oak.  
  Have not found 3” oak planks
anywhere.  I have found 3” apitong.  
   
  Any comments would be appreciated.  

  
  
  
  


 
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[AFMUG] Lmr400 and connectors in or about peoria illinois

[Steve Jones]

Are there any vendors in this vicinity with Lmr400 equivalent and
terminations N

Heliax 1/2 ldf 4 even better though tooling would need to be purchased.

May need a ptp800, though it's doubtful anyone nearby would have the right
one.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT aintcha glad

[Robert Andrews]

Let me find this blog by this guy who was a casual user and then 
inherited a bunch of money.   Very enlightening as to the extremes of 
THC usage.   Not as deadly as extreme alcoholism but similar..  Took him 
5 years to "recover" as he feels he never really will.


On 08/31/2018 08:15 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
At the risk of breaking lent, I was not aware that there was such a 
thing as a physical addiction to THC.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:48 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
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Lent
On Thu, Aug 30, 2018, 7:09 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

Neither of those articles mention the word "addiction" with regard
to THC or marijuana.
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On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 4:58 PM Rory Conaway
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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151023083229.htm


https://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/07/11/marijuana-pregnant-thc-positive-babies-colorado/



Rory



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Please elaborate.

On Thursday, August 30, 2018, Rory Conaway
 wrote:

No but addicted children birth rates have gone way up in hospitals.

Rory

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On 8/30/18 3:55 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
 > Utah has medicinal pot on the ballot this fall.  Who woulda
thunk...

So far the world hasn't ended in states that went full legal.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT aintcha glad

[Carl Peterson]

I was addicted to exercise.  Ran a sub 8 two mile on my first Army PT test in 
basic training.  After running the Army 10 miler in AIT, I took a break from 
running and quickly replaced running with smoking when I got to ft Campbell.  
Haven't touched a cigarette in five years but I still have the nicotine 
addiction.  Should probably start running again but every time I do I can't 
help myself and do dumb things like sign up for half marathons and hurt myself 
running longer and harder then my body can take.  


> On Aug 31, 2018, at 10:24 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
>> On 8/31/18 8:19 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> I've read that it's possible, but you'd have to consume something like 20 
>> joints per day.
>> Of course, anything you like doing can be psychologically addictive.  Some 
>> people get addicted to exerciseI wish I was addicted to exercise.
> 
> Runner's high.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT aintcha glad

[chuck]

Dopamine.
If you are addicted to dopamine you are a dope addict.

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

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To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT aintcha glad

On 8/31/18 8:19 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I've read that it's possible, but you'd have to consume something like 20 
joints per day.
Of course, anything you like doing can be psychologically addictive.  Some 
people get addicted to exerciseI wish I was addicted to exercise.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT aintcha glad

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/31/18 8:19 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I've read that it's possible, but you'd have to consume something like 
20 joints per day.
Of course, anything you like doing can be psychologically addictive.  
Some people get addicted to exerciseI wish I was addicted to exercise.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT another totally off subject question

[chuck]

I just bough 7 planks of 2” x 12” x 18’ apitong.  Rough sawn so they really are 
2” thick.  
And I bough the fancy oil.  It was $8.70 per square foot.  
Supposed to be much stronger than oak.  
https://www.trailerdecking.com/wood-charts.aspx

Funny, locally on craigslist someone is selling old boxcar oak flooring for 5 
times this amount.  
From: Jeremy 
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 8:08 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT another totally off subject question

Everyone recommends Apitong.  Treated lumber is not recommended, and I don't 
remember why.  I ended up just using redwood or something and then oiling it.  
They say diesel fuel works really well too.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 8:34 AM  wrote:

  Does look nice.  I am loading bulldozers, mini excavators, directional drills 
etc.  I worry about not using hardwood for the strength.  

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 10:32 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT another totally off subject question

  I just recently re-decked our utility trailer. The original planking was 
standard 2" lumber (don't know what species). It lasted for at least a decade 
before it started to come apart.

  I replaced it with 2x pressure treated doug fir (2x6 and 2x8 to fit the 
available spaces). After re-decking it, I double-coated it with wood 
preservative/sealer. Came out pretty nice.

bp


On 8/29/2018 5:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Need to redeck the wood on my lowboy trailer.  
My HDD almost fell through it last night.  

Was thinking of using pressure treated soft wood.  

Love to find some oak.  But I see that there is a wood called apitong that 
many swear by.  

Soft wood might be too weak.  Not sure what was there originally, perhaps 
oak.  
Have not found 3” oak planks anywhere.  I have found 3” apitong.  

Any comments would be appreciated.  

 





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Re: [AFMUG] OT aintcha glad

[Adam Moffett]

I've read that it's possible, but you'd have to consume something like 
20 joints per day.
Of course, anything you like doing can be psychologically addictive.  
Some people get addicted to exerciseI wish I was addicted to exercise.




On 8/31/2018 11:15 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
At the risk of breaking lent, I was not aware that there was such a 
thing as a physical addiction to THC.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:48 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
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Lent
On Thu, Aug 30, 2018, 7:09 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

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to THC or marijuana.
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On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 4:58 PM Rory Conaway
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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151023083229.htm


https://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/07/11/marijuana-pregnant-thc-positive-babies-colorado/

Rory

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Please elaborate.

On Thursday, August 30, 2018, Rory Conaway
 wrote:

No but addicted children birth rates have gone way up in
hospitals.

Rory

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On 8/30/18 3:55 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Utah has medicinal pot on the ballot this fall.  Who woulda
thunk...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT aintcha glad

[chuck]

At the risk of breaking lent, I was not aware that there was such a thing as a 
physical addiction to THC.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT aintcha glad

Lent

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018, 7:09 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

  Neither of those articles mention the word "addiction" with regard to THC or 
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  On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 4:58 PM Rory Conaway  wrote:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151023083229.htm


https://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/07/11/marijuana-pregnant-thc-positive-babies-colorado/



Rory



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Please elaborate.

On Thursday, August 30, 2018, Rory Conaway  wrote:

No but addicted children birth rates have gone way up in hospitals.  

Rory

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On 8/30/18 3:55 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Utah has medicinal pot on the ballot this fall.  Who woulda thunk...

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Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Pico Station Replacement

[can...@believewireless.net]

Just regular WiFi. Looking for 2.4GHz.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Zach Underwood 
wrote:

> Unifi or airmax?
> Unifi would be mesh outdoor.
> Airmax, they had a beta of a bullet with AC.
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 10:29 AM can...@believewireless.net <
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt Pico Station Replacement

[Zach Underwood]

Unifi or airmax?
Unifi would be mesh outdoor.
Airmax, they had a beta of a bullet with AC.

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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

[Chuck Hogg]

It's Broadcom under the hood.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> You get burned with something?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Aug 31, 2018, at 9:43 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> I don't trust ubnt in any space. That's why their fiber stuffs aren't even
> on our radar. They're just doing the electronics right? Tell me they're not
> in the glass game itself. Tell me God they're not selling tough fiber or
> anything like that to rot in the ground
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 2:25 PM  wrote:
>
>> I can generally get a building permit to use a public utility ROW or the
>> side of a street for almost free.
>> Perhaps use a customers home for everything in exchange for service etc.
>>
>> I agree, for 30 PON is a good way to go.  But I like the simplicity of
>> AE, the fact that I can cast shade on PON based competitors and not having
>> to deal with splitters.
>>
>> And I do PON all day long with Calix.  But for a non regulated for profit
>> startup, Calix is not the way to go.
>> However I do not trust UBNT in this space... yet...
>>
>>
>> *From:* Colin Stanners
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:18 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>>
>> ActiveEthernet: Property acquisition for the land, legal fees, concrete
>> pad, electrical install, cabinet, UPS, heating/cooling, fiber switch is
>> probably $10,000 - 15,000 including cost of time. When we're busy I'm not
>> sure that it would be worth doing for only 30 homes.
>>
>> PON: two 1x16 fiber splitters that fit in existing splice cases and
>> require none of that support cost $60 each.
>>
>> Shared bandwidth...16 customers sharing 2.5gbit fiber looks pretty good
>> when we still have tower sites with 16 customers on a 10mbit 2.4Ghz FSK AP.
>> And 10Gbit GPON seems to be coming soon...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 2:04 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> If you have one strand going out there, you hang a switch and give all
>>> 30 homes active E.
>>>
>>> Each home needs a drop.
>>> So you have to connect the drop to either a splitter or an SFP.
>>>
>>> With AE you will have to power the switch but then  you have no shared
>>> bandwidth, it has market cache vs shared bandwidth old fashioned GPON etc...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Colin Stanners
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:57 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>>>
>>> That's the main reason, and it branches into upgradeability. If a new
>>> 30-house subdivision appears in a field a few miles from your headend, and
>>> you have a spare 10 strands going out there, you only need to use 2-3
>>> strands instead of running new 48-strand cable the whole way.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:53 PM  wrote:
>>>
 So, other than the obvious strand count advantages, why would you use
 this vs active ethernet?

 *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:04 PM
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 It works fine.  We have it in 2 subdivisions.
 It is brain dead simple to configure.

 Since it “Just Works” there isn’t a lot to configure.  The ONU (cpe)
 can run in bridge or router mode.  I’m not sure what the routing/NAT speeds
 are capable of but it will do 1G in bridge mode without breaking a sweat.



 Jim Bouse
 Owner - Brazos WiFi
 979-985-5912
 http://www.brazoswifi.com



 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
 *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:17 PM
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 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber



 Does anyone actually have this equipment in a production environment?
 I have a test setup, just haven't heard much discussion about it so I
 thought I'd check with the group.

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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

[Jon Langeler]

You get burned with something? 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Aug 31, 2018, at 9:43 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> I don't trust ubnt in any space. That's why their fiber stuffs aren't even on 
> our radar. They're just doing the electronics right? Tell me they're not in 
> the glass game itself. Tell me God they're not selling tough fiber or 
> anything like that to rot in the ground
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 2:25 PM  wrote:
>> I can generally get a building permit to use a public utility ROW or the 
>> side of a street for almost free. 
>> Perhaps use a customers home for everything in exchange for service etc. 
>>  
>> I agree, for 30 PON is a good way to go.  But I like the simplicity of AE, 
>> the fact that I can cast shade on PON based competitors and not having to 
>> deal with splitters. 
>>  
>> And I do PON all day long with Calix.  But for a non regulated for profit 
>> startup, Calix is not the way to go.
>> However I do not trust UBNT in this space... yet...
>>  
>>  
>> From: Colin Stanners
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:18 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>>  
>> ActiveEthernet: Property acquisition for the land, legal fees, concrete pad, 
>> electrical install, cabinet, UPS, heating/cooling, fiber switch is probably 
>> $10,000 - 15,000 including cost of time. When we're busy I'm not sure that 
>> it would be worth doing for only 30 homes.
>>  
>> PON: two 1x16 fiber splitters that fit in existing splice cases and require 
>> none of that support cost $60 each.
>>  
>> Shared bandwidth...16 customers sharing 2.5gbit fiber looks pretty good when 
>> we still have tower sites with 16 customers on a 10mbit 2.4Ghz FSK AP. And 
>> 10Gbit GPON seems to be coming soon...
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 2:04 PM  wrote:
>>> If you have one strand going out there, you hang a switch and give all 30 
>>> homes active E. 
>>>  
>>> Each home needs a drop. 
>>> So you have to connect the drop to either a splitter or an SFP. 
>>>  
>>> With AE you will have to power the switch but then  you have no shared 
>>> bandwidth, it has market cache vs shared bandwidth old fashioned GPON etc...
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: Colin Stanners
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:57 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>>>  
>>> That's the main reason, and it branches into upgradeability. If a new 
>>> 30-house subdivision appears in a field a few miles from your headend, and 
>>> you have a spare 10 strands going out there, you only need to use 2-3 
>>> strands instead of running new 48-strand cable the whole way.
>>>  
 On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:53 PM  wrote:
 So, other than the obvious strand count advantages, why would you use this 
 vs active ethernet?
  
 From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
 Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:04 PM
 To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
  
 It works fine.  We have it in 2 subdivisions.
 It is brain dead simple to configure.
 
 Since it “Just Works” there isn’t a lot to configure.  The ONU (cpe) can 
 run in bridge or router mode.  I’m not sure what the routing/NAT speeds 
 are capable of but it will do 1G in bridge mode without breaking a sweat.
 
  
 
 Jim Bouse
 Owner - Brazos WiFi
 979-985-5912
 http://www.brazoswifi.com
 
  
 
 From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
 Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:17 PM
 To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
 
  
 
 Does anyone actually have this equipment in a production environment?  I 
 have a test setup, just haven't heard much discussion about it so I 
 thought I'd check with the group.
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

UBNT is doing what UBNT does.  They take commodity hardware and wrap it in a 
shiny box with a slick UI.
The commodity hardware is cheap and works reliably well.  Don’t hate on 
something that sells well because it is easy to use.

No, they aren’t selling glass.  They expect you to do that part on your own.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 8:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

I don't trust ubnt in any space. That's why their fiber stuffs aren't even on 
our radar. They're just doing the electronics right? Tell me they're not in the 
glass game itself. Tell me God they're not selling tough fiber or anything like 
that to rot in the ground

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 2:25 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I can generally get a building permit to use a public utility ROW or the side 
of a street for almost free.
Perhaps use a customers home for everything in exchange for service etc.

I agree, for 30 PON is a good way to go.  But I like the simplicity of AE, the 
fact that I can cast shade on PON based competitors and not having to deal with 
splitters.

And I do PON all day long with Calix.  But for a non regulated for profit 
startup, Calix is not the way to go.
However I do not trust UBNT in this space... yet...


From: Colin Stanners
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

ActiveEthernet: Property acquisition for the land, legal fees, concrete pad, 
electrical install, cabinet, UPS, heating/cooling, fiber switch is probably 
$10,000 - 15,000 including cost of time. When we're busy I'm not sure that it 
would be worth doing for only 30 homes.

PON: two 1x16 fiber splitters that fit in existing splice cases and require 
none of that support cost $60 each.

Shared bandwidth...16 customers sharing 2.5gbit fiber looks pretty good when we 
still have tower sites with 16 customers on a 10mbit 2.4Ghz FSK AP. And 10Gbit 
GPON seems to be coming soon...




On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 2:04 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
If you have one strand going out there, you hang a switch and give all 30 homes 
active E.

Each home needs a drop.
So you have to connect the drop to either a splitter or an SFP.

With AE you will have to power the switch but then  you have no shared 
bandwidth, it has market cache vs shared bandwidth old fashioned GPON etc...



From: Colin Stanners
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

That's the main reason, and it branches into upgradeability. If a new 30-house 
subdivision appears in a field a few miles from your headend, and you have a 
spare 10 strands going out there, you only need to use 2-3 strands instead of 
running new 48-strand cable the whole way.

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:53 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
So, other than the obvious strand count advantages, why would you use this vs 
active ethernet?

From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

It works fine.  We have it in 2 subdivisions.
It is brain dead simple to configure.
Since it “Just Works” there isn’t a lot to configure.  The ONU (cpe) can run in 
bridge or router mode.  I’m not sure what the routing/NAT speeds are capable of 
but it will do 1G in bridge mode without breaking a sweat.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jason McKemie
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:Af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

Does anyone actually have this equipment in a production environment?  I have a 
test setup, just haven't heard much discussion about it so I thought I'd check 
with the group.

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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

[Steve Jones]

I don't trust ubnt in any space. That's why their fiber stuffs aren't even
on our radar. They're just doing the electronics right? Tell me they're not
in the glass game itself. Tell me God they're not selling tough fiber or
anything like that to rot in the ground

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 2:25 PM  wrote:

> I can generally get a building permit to use a public utility ROW or the
> side of a street for almost free.
> Perhaps use a customers home for everything in exchange for service etc.
>
> I agree, for 30 PON is a good way to go.  But I like the simplicity of AE,
> the fact that I can cast shade on PON based competitors and not having to
> deal with splitters.
>
> And I do PON all day long with Calix.  But for a non regulated for profit
> startup, Calix is not the way to go.
> However I do not trust UBNT in this space... yet...
>
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:18 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>
> ActiveEthernet: Property acquisition for the land, legal fees, concrete
> pad, electrical install, cabinet, UPS, heating/cooling, fiber switch is
> probably $10,000 - 15,000 including cost of time. When we're busy I'm not
> sure that it would be worth doing for only 30 homes.
>
> PON: two 1x16 fiber splitters that fit in existing splice cases and
> require none of that support cost $60 each.
>
> Shared bandwidth...16 customers sharing 2.5gbit fiber looks pretty good
> when we still have tower sites with 16 customers on a 10mbit 2.4Ghz FSK AP.
> And 10Gbit GPON seems to be coming soon...
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 2:04 PM  wrote:
>
>> If you have one strand going out there, you hang a switch and give all 30
>> homes active E.
>>
>> Each home needs a drop.
>> So you have to connect the drop to either a splitter or an SFP.
>>
>> With AE you will have to power the switch but then  you have no shared
>> bandwidth, it has market cache vs shared bandwidth old fashioned GPON etc...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Colin Stanners
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:57 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>>
>> That's the main reason, and it branches into upgradeability. If a new
>> 30-house subdivision appears in a field a few miles from your headend, and
>> you have a spare 10 strands going out there, you only need to use 2-3
>> strands instead of running new 48-strand cable the whole way.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:53 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> So, other than the obvious strand count advantages, why would you use
>>> this vs active ethernet?
>>>
>>> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:04 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>>>
>>>
>>> It works fine.  We have it in 2 subdivisions.
>>> It is brain dead simple to configure.
>>>
>>> Since it “Just Works” there isn’t a lot to configure.  The ONU (cpe) can
>>> run in bridge or router mode.  I’m not sure what the routing/NAT speeds are
>>> capable of but it will do 1G in bridge mode without breaking a sweat.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Bouse
>>> Owner - Brazos WiFi
>>> 979-985-5912
>>> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:17 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone actually have this equipment in a production environment?  I
>>> have a test setup, just haven't heard much discussion about it so I thought
>>> I'd check with the group.
>>>
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