Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income
Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income I think everyone should be careful about uncited statistics that are casually thrown around. It's not just about this subject, but in general, people are often far too quick to swing the odds in their favor without researching things first, making bold and grandiose claims which never quite seem to hit their mark. It really pisses me off. It's sort of like the 70% unemployment rate among the blind, which, incidentally, made the 99% of businesses are willing to hire blind people statement downright laughable, if we are to believe that 70% statistic which has been floating around for forever and a day. Yes, it is true that blind people are passed over for jobs that they are qualified for, but that 70% has been static for as long as I can remember. Nothing stays the same for that long, especially not when we're talking about human behavior. I'd like to see actual, quantifiable data, backed up by solid research about these types of topics, but I don't think it will ever happen. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=359523#p359523 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income @sito, while posts 83 and 81 are right, and my claim might've been majorly off, you basically restated what I already said. I said, more than once, in more than one post, that blind people obviously won't get hired for driving jobs. Painting, however, has already been accomplished by visual artists like Sergej Popolsin, a Russian painter who lost his eyesight in 1990 due to a serious head injury. Wikipedia says that "The artist is now living and working in Vienna, Austria, is showing his paintings at successful exhibitions in a various of European countries and has a website." If that's not enough for you, Eşref Armağan is another blind painter. Arthur Ellis is a visual artist who lost his sight due to meningitis, and he now represents his visual hallucinations as a result of his sightlessness compounded by Charles Bonnet Syndrome. The article I got this information from, here, also states:The book Drawing and the Blind: Perceptions to Touch, by Jonathan Harchick, focuses on the ways in which the blind, both young and old, can perceive pictures and 3D objects. According to Harchick, visually impaired people are able to feel a 3D object and then create a drawing of the object that can be easily recognized by a sighted individual. Harchick likens the drawings of the average blind-since-birth person to those of a sighted child. He notices that blind children are much more willing to attempt to draw than blind adults who have no prior experience. Kennedy discusses the fact that the blind can perceive a drawing made of raised lines, as well as 3D objects that have shape and form.So, yes, I think that, given enough time, and given the proper motivation, blind people are able to do what sited people can do, possibly excluding driving and piloting of aircraft (though autonomous vehicles, while beyond any average persons income at the moment, are still around, and most likely will resolving this issue as well). Whether employers choose to see this is a different story. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=359334#p359334 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income ethin, post 83 and 81 got it right.and if 99% hires blind people which is just plain bullshit by the way. may i see proof of that? any statisticks that you can use to back up your facts?would a painting company hire blind people? No most likelly not because, how can a blind person paint when he doesn't see collors and a spot that he has missed? tell me how that would work out. how about driving. can blind people work as taxi drivers? Pilots? Traindrivers? no, of corse they can't. Do you know why? it's because they are blind. so there a huge number of your claim just blew away because there are many companys in the world that does this for your claim that 99% can hire people to be true. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=359312#p359312 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Ah, but do you know for sure that the other applicant was more qualified than you, or are you just sugarcoating it to soften the blow of not getting hired?I'm sorry, but I find your sweeping generalizations and blanket statements to be distasteful. If you are arrogant enough to presume that 99% of businesses would hire a blind person, which you stated in a previous post, surely you thought you were qualified enough to ace that job interview, right?But, even if we take that little tidbit off the table, several of the most recent posts to this topic have expressed the hurdles that blind job seekers face much more eloquently than I ever could have. And, as much as I would love it if companies would allow NVDA, or any open source software, on their networks, the reality is that it usually doesn't work that way. It's JAWS all the way, because that screen reader is what the government is most likely to fund. Also, there's a lot of fearmongering and distrust around the open source movement in general, which means that only trusted applications are often allowed on a company's network, even if other, less cumbersome, and less costly options exist. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=359201#p359201 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income @mastodont, I did in fact try applying for a job. I was rejected not because I was blind but because they had someone more qualified apply before me. (Then again, I was happy for the rejection because I wasn't interested in the job anyway.) My points, however, still do stand. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=359176#p359176 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income @ethin: you sound like you're living in a dream world. I have no idea if you've tried to get a real job in a real multinational company in your life but it sounds like you didn't, atleast for my country. I've spoken to almost a dozen of companies who found my cv very interesting and when I told them I'm blind they told me they couldn't provide the necessary accessible software. Of course, I'm living in a country that's known for it's drawbacks in terms of almost everything caled romania, but when it comes to international corporations they should provide the same level of accessibility for everyone. As a matter of fact I'm working in the field of translation and terminology which is not a very difficult field in terms of accessibility. The main point I'm trying to prove is that they didn't even wanted to see if I could do the jobs tthat I'm certified for or not. The problem is that most employers don't even know that blind people can navigate an internet page nor do more complex tasks like creating glossaries in X-cell. Most of the employers never heard of such programs as screen readers so they tend to overestimate the costs of the implementations they would have to make for the disabled person to work in they company. I've tried everything I could think of, I even went on to completing all the employment tests before telling them that I am blind and still they said that they will surely call me at a later date which obviously they didn't. Obviously the laws of the country you're living in count very much but in a country where money is everything there's no thing that can stop companies from not hiring disabled people. Of course they'll win 25% of the salary that they must give to the disabled person, atleast this is how it's done in romania, but they think that it's a much suitable investment to employ a normal person than getting involved with all the hassle of employing a disabled person. They'll win because the disabled person in my country doesn't have to pay all the taxes such as insurance taxes but this still doesn't stop them from not hiring such people. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=359155#p359155 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income @79, as a matter of fact, if I did run a business, I'd happily set up appropriate accommodations for a blind person, without ever having to take the systems offline, because I'd most likely use accessible software in the first place. The time spent performing accommodation acquisition isn't that much, and most businesses don't need to take anything offline unless the accommodations are things like printers (which don't need accommodations, IMO). The average time to acquire a JAWS license, for example, is probably less than a day. The average time to install NVDA is less than 5 minutes. Some businesses do use inaccessible software, but 99 percent of the time, that same application has a usable alternative interface that is accessible without having to alter many settings, such as a command-line or web interface. And most web interfaces are accessible, and since we're heading towards that form of UI, accessibility issues and needs for accommodations that require system outages are very, very less frequent. And while a business may lose profit, the profit they lose is probably very minimal. Getting one computer accommodated, which is all that's usually necessary, costs nowhere near $1. It costs far, far less with that, and for NVDA it costs absolutely nothing. An average professional business gets well over $1.00 a week. So, no, I'd say the money spent performing accommodations, if there is any to spend at all, is so minimal as to be pretty much discountable. Not to mention that if a business wants the most money, it is logical to assume that hiring more employees would accomplish that goal. Furthermore, a business that wants to spend as little profit as possible might as well cease to exist, or be a one-man work force. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=359139#p359139 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income No it's not just for that industry. You can't magically snap your fingers and suddenly 'accomdate' disabled people ina workplace instantly. It takes time and effort and money, it takes a company taking, say, an office out of use to outfit it or being accessible, it takes, say, an IT tech pulling computers offline to make it accessible, it takesyou get the idea. It takes time. Time is something companies value more than money, you can earn money, you can't ever earn time back.If you were an employer would you want to shut down an office for two weeks to make it accessible knowing other people work there and it'll impact your finances?Also no, it's not just the flooring industry Ethin. Businesses are not charities. They need to make money to stay afloat, so the cheaper they can do things the better. Or rather the more they jack up prices, the better for the company in question.Don't forget for a company it's not keeping 10% of profits. You have taxes, rents, bills, wages and all that on top of it, you only keep a small %age of your profits after everything's said and done. You don't get the full million dollars you made, the IRS gets their cut, then rents, then overheads, then wages, then utilities, then any bonuses the managers award themselves...then the rest gets put away. I'm oversimplifying it here, but that's how life is. It's not fair, no, and the nature of business ain't gonna change. Businesses always want to make as much money as possible, while spending the least amount possible. If that means not hiring dissabled people or cutting corners to save cash, so be it. Businesses do it every day.ow URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=359115#p359115 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income @77, that's for that particular industry. @76, my attitude is not that of "blind people can do everything." Obviously, blind people can't "do everything." We can't drive, for instance, on our own. We can't fly ourselves into space. Obviously. But we can do *most* things, and by *most* I mean like 80-90-98 percent of things. If a company refuses to hire you, move on to the next. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=359102#p359102 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income #Accomadating disabled people is not a magic cure all though. It costs a lot of money and time and did you ever thing the rest of the workforce may well resent the time and money and changes to the workplace though? That happens. Plus the time and money it costs aren't recouped instantly, ESPECIALLY not the time aspect. Yes you may well earn back the $10,00 or whatever it is, but as far as the time goes, shutting down a factory for a week, or a store for a week, or whatever the empolyer owns, that has a far bigger impact on the business than money. That is lost sales and lost income all the while, debt is mounting up. I'm speaking from my family being involved in business practically all their lives,it isn't just a simple oh make X accessible and we'll be a bettr businessLife don't work like that, it's again a double edged sword. That guy in a warehouse I mentioned earlier? Yeah his dad has lost customers that turned over half a million a year because they don't want to deal with his son interacting with them. Through no fault of his own that guy is seen as a liability to suppliers and customers...even if they don't directly interact with him,just the idea of it scares off certain supppliers/customers, and in an industry dominated by the big companies, you neeed all the customers and suppliers you can get...so what did his dad do? Went around to the customers and suppliers BSing he let his son go and the supppliers and customers came flooding back to him. That's one company, ine one specific industry. But it shows that at least in the flooring industry, disabled people aren't thought of that highly, which, I get it. You may scream and scream and whine and bitch and moan it's not fair, and realistically, it isn't...but these are firms that are constantly out there every single day. I got talking to one of my dad's customers the other week when he dropped by to talk to my dad who was out. I made a joke about needing a new carpet for my room, and asked if it could be done in bright colors so I could see it better. He asked if I was joking, I said I was and asked why disabled people are treated like shit.His response was, quote.and yes, I've left out the companies. I happen to respect what the companies do and want them to carry on making flooring so my family can stay in businessJace, a it's like this. The guys on the and don't want to shut their factories down in Belgium and Holland and train the workers in five different languages and take five or six weeks to get through that, It'll kill their margins, it'll screw up too as they buy from them. My reps deal with and they'd have to be trained in English, Flemish, Wallonie, Dutch, German and Romanian so that's easily several million Euros or their workers and multiplay that by several factories. Okay they could take the hit but they'd have to raise the prices on the rolls and raise the cuts too and that'd hurt the buyers. It's economics, they want to do business as cheap as possi/i]That shed light on it, I get where he's coming from, if you're a business you want to spend as little cash to make as much as possible. I asked my dad about this and paraphrased what the other guy said and my dad essntially said it costs too much and there's no way in hell for his company the managers would ever actually agree to redo the office or warehouse given they are leasing the land from the city and haven't ourgith bought it. More money down the drain for planning stuff and hiring workers and shutting the office for X weeks while it's going on and pissing off the managemnt, who to be fair are not the nicest bunch of guys in the world. Actually, as a rule the flooring industry is very very cut t throat and bitchy and not for the faint of heart. Ever heard your dad go on a 45 minute explitive rant at a supplier and dropping a ton of interesting words? I have, and I get why, I get that particular supplier tried to fuck over a number of firms and then refused to own up and pay for damaging equipment, then tried to lie their way out of it.tl: DR: Accomdating disabled people may not always be in a company's best interests. Continent like the URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=359077#p359077 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income oh i Hate this atetude that blind people can do evreything in the world. that's not true. we can't do everything in the world. realise your limitations and work there after. if you know that you know what you can demand of people and find the easiest way that's relistic to make thigns as accessible as possible.ethin. it's virtualy like this in the whole world, sweden, US. i'm specifically talking about people who's studdying. when they search for a job that usally invollves something like standing behind stores etc most employers will not take them just for working like 4 months. should i tell you why? that's because, as turtlapower has said, there will be so many other aplications to choos from with people who're fully able to work so why should they have a blind person in, and especially if they have to spend cash just to make the plase more accessible?now ethin, you're educated you're 100% right. if you make a good impression and the employer thinks that you know what you're talking about, and especially if there's an advantage of having a blind person around you will get a job very easy.This is not true however when you're studdying URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=359066#p359066 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income @72, I obviously have thought of what I'm thinking. Your making yourself look helpless -- exactly what employers dislike. Furthermore, your making your country look like its antiquated and is still in the 80s and 90s (which it clearly is not). Yes, I'd love it if a blind person worked at a business I ran, with heavy-lifting and all that. You ever heard the term 'adaptations'? Its also known as 'accommodations'. 99 percent of corporations are willing to incorporate them to aid you if you successfully get a job with them. Stop trying to make it look like you can't do shit and actually go try stuff before you just say "Oh, blind people can't do this because so and so." URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=359025#p359025 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income I think both sides have valid points here. For example, most high school kids get their start working in fast food establishments, or as cashiers. Sadly, these jobs really aren't all that accessible. I agree that it would be possible for someone to do some of the cooking, or washing dishes in a restaurant, but probably not at McDonald's or something similar, due to how fast-paced it is. There's also tickets to consider, how exactly does a blind person handle those? I'm not saying it's impossible, but those are barriers that an employer, faced with 25 other applications submitted by able bodied folks, is probably not going to invest time in finding out. Working at a cash register, or really in most other aspects of retail, however, I really can't see how a blind person could do. I speak from experience; both my parents and my sister have spent most of their lives working in such environments. It would necessarily take longer to handle a customer's money, and we all know how impatient most people are. So they would probably complain to the management about that. There is also the messy situation of handling the inaccessible software that the store uses to complete transactions, print receipts, handle gift cards/rewards cards/credit cards, etc. Then there's the act of putting things on the shelves, making sure that stuff is in the correct order, etc. If these things could be accomplished, I would have followed in my family's footsteps a long time ago.now, someone is probably going to mention that kids don't have to work in such places. They could volunteer at the humane society, nursing homes, or at homeless shelters. Altruism looks great on college applications, after all, and I'm only being slightly sarcastic here because it is true to a degree. It's really cliche, though, and not all people are cut out to do that type of stuff. What makes volunteering different, especially for someone who is just going through the motions to make themselves look good, is that this will surely be reflected in their drive and dedication. The difference between slaving away at a crappy job you despise all day long and doing something you despise for the sake of it is usually the money. Sorry to say, but it's true. Then again, not everyone is cut out for retail work, either. Judging by the amount of complaining I've heard throughout my life about it, it can be thankless, exhausting, and gruelling. Clearly, though, it works for the vast majority of people who are just getting their start, even if they hate it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=359019#p359019 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income I think both sides have valid points here. For example, most high school kids get their start working in fast food establishments, or as cashiers. Sadly, these jobs really aren't all that accessible. I agree that it would be possible for someone to do some of the cooking, or washing dishes in a restaurant, but probably not at McDonald's or something similar, due to how fast-paced it is. There's also tickets to consider, how exactly does a blind person handle those? I'm not saying it's impossible, but those are barriers that an employer, faced with 25 other applications submitted by able bodied folks, is probably not going to invest time in finding out. Working at a cash register, or really in most other aspects of retail, however, I really can't see how a blind person could do. I speak from experience; both my parents and my sister have spent most of their lives working in such environments. It would necessarily take longer to handle a customer's money, and we all know how impatient most people are. So they would probably complain to the management about that. There is also the messy situation of handling the inaccessible software that the store uses to complete transactions, print receipts, handle gift cards/rewards cards/credit cards, etc. Then there's the act of putting things on the shelves, making sure that stuff is in the correct order, etc. If these things could be accomplished, I would have followed in my family's footsteps a long time ago.now, someone is probably going to mention that kids don't have to work in such places. They could volunteer at the humane society, nursing homes, or at homeless shelters. Altruism looks great on college applications, after all, and I'm only being slightly sarcastic here because it is true to a degree. It's really cliche, though, and not all people are cut out to do that type of stuff. Then again, not everyone is cut out for retail work, either. Judging by the amount of complaining I've heard throughout my life about it, it can be thankless, exhausting, and gruelling. Clearly, though, it works for the vast majority of people who are just getting their start, even if they hate it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=359019#p359019 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Sito, has it occurred to you that wherever you are doesn't really have openminded employers? That being said I can vouch for Ethin's points to an extent, as they may not apply to other countries stuck in the past as far as opportunities for people with disabilities are concerned. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=359012#p359012 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income ethin, very kindly, would you please stop for a sec and think about what you're saying?Would you, as an employer want a blind bartender or someone blind standing behind your shop? it's not as easy as it seems, for once you would have tu make the customor feel as if you're listening to them and a big part of that is you having i contact with people and help them when they need it which you can't always do if something unexpected happends and you find your self doing something that you as a blind person can't do without accessibility. And most people wouldn't implement that for these kind of jobs, and especially not if you're just going to work during summer. i know i for once wouldn't want a blind person standing behind my shop, lifting hevy things or working in a factory just for the reasons that 1, you need to be able to handel unexpected situations and make sure that people doesn't cheat you and 2, it's so easy that accidents can happen when you work in afactorry or wearhouses do to you not seeing what another employer does, even if it's not intentional it can happen if something unexpected accurs. At least I as an employer wouldn't risk that not just for the security of my employes but also because of the security for the blind person who wants this job.That's how people think when it comes to these phisical jobs and that's why, at least here when you as a blind person want a job during education you wouldn't get one. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=358909#p358909 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income You actually would trust a blind bartender? That'sbrave of ya! I like my drinks in myhand, not over me. If I want to spill my drink, that's on me, ya knowalso nono, I said this in another topic but I'd have to catch up with the guy first...but I do know a blind guy who lugs rolls of carpet/lino/et around in a warehouse and puts them away, loads and unlaods them with the other guy in the warehouse and mans the showroom. I know, exception, not the rule but hey, just one guy shows it am be done.Also for loawsyes, places do exist that say if yer disabled ya can't work, not every country is as disabled friendly as the US or most of the EU, I'm looking at you smaller nations and various different cultures. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=358790#p358790 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income @sito, Um... yes, you can. You can't do physical jobs? Bullshit, sir! You need an education to do high-paying jobs? Obviously. How else would you work hard to earn that money. Yes, you can do jobs like being that person who processes orders behind a sales counter. If your employer refuses to allow you to take that job purely because your blind, then they're not right for you. And of course your laws will forbid you from applying for jobs that require an education. Every country does that. But yes, you can do all the jobs that low incomes that the sited can do: processing orders, making drinks, that sort of thing. This is exactly how you climb the latter of society. You don't just immediately leap to the top and become leader of your country, for example. No, you start small, doing mundane things that bore you to death. Then, as people begin to notice you (which may take years, believe me) you climb up the social latter and get higher and higher paying jobs. Don't expect everything to come at you on a silver plate with pretty bows and cherries on top -- you won't get it. You need to prove that you can, in fact, work at a job, and survive in the workplace among all the rest of your responsibilities. If you can't do that while your earning an education, then clearly a job while your getting an education isn't the thing for you. If you then can't survive on a job after you've completed your education, then you've got some issues. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=358788#p358788 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income The ability or inability to do a "physical job" depends on the setting, the willingness of the employer to make the workplace accessible, and your orientation/mobility. There will definitely be blind people who can't do some jobs simply because they don't have good spacial awareness, among other things. You can't really lump everyone into one category though. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=358780#p358780 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income lol if you call that lazyness i feel that i need to clear up afew things. I'm talking about blind people who're still doing education and might want some more money. Here at least you can't apply for a job that invollves companys or similar. you need an education, so if you still are studdying the only jobs you can get is physical once such as standing behind shops or similar which we blind people can't really do do to are blindness. at least here it is, noone will employ blind people unless they are educated first because we can't really do phisical jobs URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=358730#p358730 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income @Socheat, agreed. While it is true that some employers are discriminatory towards blind people, there are less and less of them every day. They discriminate against blind people and get linched by society for it because the employer most likely lost a valuable person who may have aided the company as a whole. Like I said though, there are less and less of those every day. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=358716#p358716 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income You don't have to be a sales person. Their are lots of jobs that blind people can do. Can a blind person becomes a computer technician? I'd say yes. Can a blind person becomes a teacher? I'd say yes, too. So, there are a lot of possibilities in fact, if you just sitting around and waiting for an easy job to becomes available, you'll not getting anywhere soon. Trust me. I know, in some countries are hard to get a job for blind people, Cambodia is one of them. But just keep on trying, you'll eventually get it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=358714#p358714 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income @sito, I must disagree with your opinion (yes, its an opinion, not a fact) because your opinion sounds like it was born out of laziness and the unwillingness to actually do physical activities. Now, while I understand that in certain places it may be hard to get a job for a blind person, the classification of it being a heavy-lifting job or a salesperson making it hard to get that job has absolutely nothing, and I mean nothing, to do with it. What does have to do with it is whether the company thinks they have any use for you and/or your particular skills that you told them about on either your application, your interview, or both. But the job classification has nothing to do with it. Common sense also has a factor in job selection, too; a blind person obviously can't drive, which is unfortunate, but it is one of those barriers that will, in due time, hopefully be lifted. But most jobs, either in the IT field, sales, PR, etc., are jobs that blind people can do. If a blind person says that getting a job is hard for them, and they tell you the job, and the job is not a job such as an airplane pilot, a taxi driver, etc., then there are only three possibilities:(1) that person did excellent on both the application and interview, but the company does not consider that person suitable for the job;(2) the person failed somewhere in either or both the application or interview, or even failed a particular test, such as dress, first impressions, or appearance; or(3) The person is simply too lazy and is using the excuse that jobs are hard to get to make it look like they can't get one to make it seem like their hard to get when it really isn't.Now, I will not exclude the fourth, though unspoken, possibility of location or law; that is, the person is either in a location where, indeed, getting jobs because of a disability makes finding jobs difficult, or you are in a country where laws prohibit those with disabilities from getting jobs (though I can't imagine such a country). In that case, Sito's opinion then becomes fact, though, as I said, I can't imagine such a country. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=358694#p358694 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income you cannot get money from this, and even you try download btc apps, they make money from adsif you want reall bitcoins you have to buy high, latest graphic card stuff and higher cpu. etc etci have my experience in iose and android, whatever they called google playsearch in google play earn money apps, or bitcoin maker etcyou will collect 5000 points or 500 k bitcoin currency, you won't get response from them if you reach minimum thresholdwhy they asking only you must collect 500 k points for withdraw and request payment, cause collecting 500 k not too easy, you have to watch billions of spyware adsthey making money from adsif you watching their ads they are good to gotake an example, the fabapp apps, watch and earn, i collected 5000 points they said payment in 24 hour after requestthey did not payso i won't believe these guy will pay your money, do not enter your email or your credentials, my guess they getting something out of your accountor your computer will fill up ads, your home pages will change, you will notice strange programs running in task managerI heard android devs creating multiple accounts and rating their apps 5 stars in google play or app store, so fake reviewswho to believe these days URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=358653#p358653 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income you cannot get money from this, and even you try download btc apps, they make money from adsi have my experience in iose and android, whatever they called google playsearch in google play earn money apps, or bitcoin maker etcyou will collect 5000 points or 500 k bitcoin currency, you won't get response from themthey making money from adsif you watching their ads they are good to gotake an example, the fabapp apps, watch and earn, i collected 5000 points they said payment in 24 hour after requestthey did not payso i won't believe these guy will pay your money, do not enter your paypal email or your credentials, my guess they getting something out of your accountor your computer will fill up ads, your home pages will change, you will notice strange programs running in task managerI heard android devs creating multiple accounts and rating their apps 5 stars in google play or app store, so fake reviewswho to believe these days URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=358653#p358653 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Yup, agreed with Sito. Shame this thing is probably just another scam. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=358626#p358626 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income wel. local jobs for people who're blind and sitll doing education is not the easiest thing to get. especially if it requires you to do practical stuffs such as standing behind a shop or lifting something or similar. you get what i mean URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=358616#p358616 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Yeah, the only reason I kind of believed this was because of the actual legitimate practice of bitcoin mining becoming more common, so one may think it was just another one of those. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=358489#p358489 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income See? I saw a lot of videos on Youtube on how to do these little income extra money and stuff. But they don't works as expected. Those guys put up the videos on Youtube to make their channel gets more subscribers and the like. Nothing better than get a local job or something. It is worth than spend your computer's processor to random dudes on the net. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=358476#p358476 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Unfortunately I believe it's a scam. I have tried to apply to other jobs but after a few weeks I still haven't received an answer to my applications so I've given up on the thing. Something must be seriously wrong with this app if they don't even respond to people that applied for other jobs, it seems that the only way to earn income is through lending computing power and I'm not willing to spend months on a program that doesn't care about the other jobs that they offer enough to respond to my application. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=358471#p358471 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income still doesn't answer my question. has anybody, actually cashed out any money from this and if so how much and is it worth me assigning a spare computer to do it, or is it as I sadly suspect, a scam? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=358460#p358460 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income I'm looking for $3 by the end of the day as the O P suggested. As I am able to keep the thing running for 24 hours a day since I don't need to use this spare machine anyway, I'll look for something like that. Hopefully when the payouts happen it actually works. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=358425#p358425 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income so, been a fair few weeks since this topic started. anybody actually made any free money doing it? I'd have expected results by now. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=358418#p358418 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Nope. IT actually contains a barely touched new installation of windows7, minimally configured. Barely used machine. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=358410#p358410 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Does that unused system have access to any shared network drives from other computers that *do* actually have valuable/private data on them? If so, then it's not really secure against all forms of data uploading/encryption/deletion. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=358408#p358408 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Just in case the software is malicious, on the data side I have it running on a computer that literally has no personal logins to anything saved, i.e my old unused machine so I can leave it running on s5 and let it enjoy itself. If it turns out to not be legitimate, I'll up and leave, but hey if it's just one more way to mine btc then that's not a problem. But I've taken precautions just in case it transfers more than just your compute power. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=358400#p358400 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income 51 nailed it. I completely agree. As an example, take a company like Degoo. They offer backup services and allow your computer to back things up to their cloud. Guess what, though? They do a side-service, using your CPU power too. What does that CPU power do? It mines script-based currencies. They tell you exactly what your processor does at http://support.degoo.com/customer/en/po … ime-mean-. This company doesn't even tell you what your processor is doing. And what's worse is that it's hard to track what it's doing. A tool like Procmon and a little tool I wrote to translate CSV logs of Procmon's activities into simple, easy-to-read formats won't help you either because you'd need to track *everything*. And that can generate half a billion events in less than 10 seconds. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354127#p354127 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income I agree with a lot of this. There's an old _expression_, TANSTAAFL. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. In that context, it means, if you're getting a free lunch, it's not really free. Somebody, somehow, is paying for you to have that lunch. Nothing comes from nothing, and in cases like this, you can't get something for nothing.Same deal here. Either that money has to be coming from somewhere, or the whole thing is a scam and nobody will ever get paid. Money doesn't grow on trees.In addition, while I haven't looked at the site, the very fact that they aren't transparent about what kind of work your computer is doing is very suspicious. It could be totally harmless, but probably means you don't really want to know what your computer is doing, because if you knew, you wouldn't allow it to continue. Or perhaps more to the point, they don't want you to know what your computer is doing so you'll stay blissfully unaware that you're helping governments crack encryption or sending spam or participating in a botnet doing denial of service attacks on companies or helping bad guys distribute illegal materials I dare not even speak of on this forum. And if one or more of these scenarios turns out to be true and you get caught, "I was just running this program to make a little extra money on the side, I didn't know what my computer was actually doing" won't get you far in court. And if you try to point blame on this company, saying, "I would never have done any of that stuff if they hadn't let me use their program," there's probably a neat little clause in their user agreement that covers that, and/or if they find out people are getting caught they'll conveniently disappear, never to be heard from again.So the TL,DR version is: If you're willing to take that chance, go for it. It could be totally innocent. But I'm not holding my breath, and I'm certainly not giving it a try. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354089#p354089 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income It sounds very cool, however I wanna know more about the money. Where is it coming from. The last thing I wanna do is have to go through legal trouble because I was causing DDOS attacks on some poor guys home network. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354085#p354085 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income That kind of pay for work would do a lot for people with disabilities. I've been looking into currency trading which could be good with the right software and a braille display to view prices. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354083#p354083 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Bleh, wish I were that well off in the contacts department. lol URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354051#p354051 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Lol Ethin, it's not like they shower you with money. If amounts shown here compared to uptime ... you're probably being given less than 5 percent of what you make. So my advice is if you're going to do bitcoin mining, do it yourself rather than suck the * of some other shady person. I've got a friend working with bitcoin, it's not bitcoin mining, but as it's not counted as real currency it's not like he has to pay taxes or anything. He says that three hours aday approx for 5 days aweek gives out anywhere from only 800 amonth to 4000 amonth converted back into raw cash. I don't have a quarrel about bc mining because hell, you're just stealing from people who are probably going to use it for shady things anyway. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354029#p354029 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income I doubt it doesn't though. this just is way too good to be true, and anyone who has any form of business ethics would never just create a business that apparently gave you limitless amounts of money depending on the amount of CPU power you give them back. If it really is limitless, I bet they'd probably be the first business to ever do that, since most bitcoin mining businesses that give you wallets expect you to *mine them yourself*. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=354014#p354014 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income i agree, if it's legal and it doesn't have a catch this could be very handy URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353984#p353984 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income It was too long ago to remember the details, plus a friend was doing this, not me, but, a while back there was a similar program that was available that offered you money if you let the program use your unused CPU resources to work for somebody else. I don't recall what they had it doing but do recall that they told you what your CPU resources were being used for and it was all legal. But there was one catch, they capped how much you could earn each month to something like $30. No matter how much CPU resources you allowed them to use or how much work your computer did for them, that $30 was the maximum you could earn per month. It lasted about 9 months or so then disappeared, and when it disappeared, any earned money that hadn't been cashed out was just gone. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353939#p353939 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income I'm intrigued, but it sounds too good to be true. if it turns out it's lagitamet, I'm in. I've got an old 3ghz core 2 quad sitting in the corner doing nothing I could use as well as my 4ghz i7; but I was always told there's no such thing as a free lunch. why would they give you money for nothing like that. hell I could have my i7 laptop in on the deal as well. could be churning out 3 or 400 bucks a month for nothing. there has to be a catch surely. I'm really hoping there isn't though and if I find out that's the case, i'll spend the first month's income on another 2 second hand computers and make even more. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353931#p353931 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income well unfortunately I don't have all the answers if you need more details about what exactly do they do with your processing power go ahead and ask them. Honestly I don't care about the risk, it's a two ways road imo, they either pay or don't. If they pay I'm fine with it if not I'm gonna leave the program and move on to other things. For me though the using of cpu isn't that important, I am more curious about the other jobs which if are accessible could provide some extra income. Everyone is free to join the software or not, I'm sure each of you know better what's the best thing to do regarding this matter. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353928#p353928 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Yeah, I'm staying away from this. If they're unwilling to be transparent about what they're doing with the processor power I give them, then they're not getting my power. I'm not going to risk my bank kicking my ass because I'm getting money illegal. (And, of course, if they kick my ass, it's going to be a court case. No thanks. I'd recommend you guys *not* use this if you have any form of common sense. But if you don't, go right ahead and risk yourselves.) URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353921#p353921 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income wel. @mastadont i don't have the program so i can't really check out on it. if you could explain what these 2 balances are here that would be nice since i'm not yet convinced that this program actually is legal or that it works.and as others have staded. i would like to know what my computer power is being used for URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353916#p353916 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Hello. I tried to run the set up program but it kept not responding.. This is on windows 10. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353898#p353898 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income My computer is lagging alot, but aniway, I am not using it animore for other purposes, so, I think it will work. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353857#p353857 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income they are using your power to do calculations for some big companies, atleast this is what they say. However this is not the main way of making money because they offer other jobs aswell, translations, writing, product reviewing and such. For the difference between main balance and working balance read the help. I am also testing this and I'm waiting to reach the threshhold to cash out, that's gonna be the real test to see if they pay or not. I am waiting to be approved to other jobs aswell, I hope it's going to be more lucrative. I'll report back as soon as I have more info. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353847#p353847 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income yeh, i think iw ill stay away from this too for now.@ashly you can still make a pay pal account for free.another thing. what's main balance and work balance and how much does it cost to actually cash out money?and more importantly, what's my pc power being used for and where do they get the money from? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353843#p353843 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Hi,So I think I am going to stay away from this, yes we are getting extra money, but how, exactly? That's what's stopping me from trying this. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353841#p353841 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Me, personally? If I am going to lend my excess computer power to somebody, I'd want to know what my computer is being used for. If these people aren't willing to be completely transparent about that, I'd be real suspicious and careful. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353804#p353804 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Well I'd be carefull about this site.I tried searching, its got a 100% trust rating from scamadviser.And a lot of adds and reviews obviously comitioned by them.In one people asked for replys to questions and never got answers.There was however another earnmoney.fun which was a malware site a lot of that sites results popped up on google searches.While I couldn't find anything spaciffically dangerous about earn money network, excepts for adds on it, there is precious information including indipendant information on the net.So yeah it may be ok, probably is.When I was at school, I had to deal with a friend that said a site like epipo existed where you could get cash by viewing adds.Only one time that something like this worked for me.I downloaded some mp3 music back in 1996 and had to register email addresses and download some extraction program.On running this, every so often pops and emails from this mp3 site popped up on my pc asking me to listen to music came up.After 6 months of this I was thanked for reading and listening and to put in my address and other information to get a free cd.After I did this all the emails and popups went away.A cd came in the mail with a lot of weird music on it.But that was 1996.Now days any such so called earn money program is probably a scam.I mean if you are desperate to earn cash I guess that works but even so.I have had to deal with to many such things, ie a user I work with regularly has all these crazy schemes to get money.I end up once or twice a year reformatting her pc, to clear ransomware, malware and other things as well as changing all her passwords and helping her to cancel all bank cards.If you think you can handle it all fine.But bitcoin is now a criminal currency, so eventually bitcoin will either be banned outright and made alegal or regulated.So enjoy it while it lasts. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353802#p353802 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Well, I got it and I am not sure what it does, but on my old computer I am staying on s3 cause it is slow. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353798#p353798 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Hi,Thing is, you have to know what it's doing. If it is in fact a botnet, that is illegal, and just saying I didn't know it was a botnet likely won't cut it, because really, it's an application that appears to give you money for nothing. Come on. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353781#p353781 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Hi.Ah there, must have skipped those when I looked through the page, I set the thing to s5, but it doesnt hop over the 25 mark, sort of stays there, processor shows that the load is about 98 percent.Greetings Moritz. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353764#p353764 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income they are labeled from s1 to s5, right under dashboard and above your balance. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353762#p353762 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Hi.Stupid question I guess, but how do I change the speed? I can't find any buttons on the dashboard for that.Greetings Moritz. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353760#p353760 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income
Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income that's your performance rating. Increase the speed for a better performance. I get about 6100 on the highest speed but it all depends on what other processes you are running and how much power the program uses. Profilling is your status, it will change to profilled after a while. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353759#p353759 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Hi.Hmm ok, on the dashboard the thing still says profiling, there is a bar down there, going from 25/100 up to 30/100 and than down again, don't know what it's doing there.My computer is quite powerfull, i7 6700 HQ, 16 gig ram, gtx 1070 graphics.Greetings Moritz. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353758#p353758 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income @gamecreator have you adjusted the speed from the software? On the dashboard the speed options are marked from s1 to s5, s5 being the fastest. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353757#p353757 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income HHHi, well, I can't click the help icon in the program, can I find the info on the site?Did you let the program run for 24 hours full for the 4 dollars or how long?Greetings Moritz. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353754#p353754 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income I left it running for about 15 hours. You should be able to access the help just hit enter on it and then hit enter on the questions you want answered. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353756#p353756 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income well, my post here. haha. Yea, i've used this tool for a while, but it seems my computer isn't so good with it. 5 days and made just a dollar? even i left the computer at maximum speed (you can change those settings in the settings screen), and nothing, so i decided to get out of it. Lol URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353755#p353755 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income well my internet runs fine but I guess it's quite ressource intensive. I have made about 4 dollars in a day. It's not much but more than I expected. The only major issue is that you need to have 50 dollars in your main balance or 2.5 usd in your working balance to be able to cash out. Read the help to know what are these. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353751#p353751 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Hi.Hmm, sounds interesting, my computer is also running quite often, so why not try to cash in a bit while I am in school.Two questions though, how heavy is the program on your internet connection, and how much is the payout actually? Don't expect it to be high, but I would be curious.Possibly not more one euro or so per week, or is that even to much?Greetings Moritz. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353749#p353749 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income well whatever it does I'm okay with it as long as the money keep comming. I'm very curious about the other jobs they offer, I've applied but haven't been accepted yet. I really hope they are accessible. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353748#p353748 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Sounds very much like the SETI@Home screen saver, except you are volunteering your computer power to the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence project and so are not paid for it.Still, it's the same idea, using the Internet to access vast amounts of computing power by distributing a process across thousands of processors all running in parallel.This is an old idea as the SETI@Home screen saver was first released around 1998 or so. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353744#p353744 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Best case it's bitcoin mining.Worst case it's a botnet, and you're outsourcing your computer power to DDOS or whatever. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353745#p353745 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-02-25
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income i would reely wish to use this app, but i don't have paypell yet URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353743#p353743 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income yeah you need to have an account to an online payment service, I suggest paypal. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353742#p353742 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2018-02-25
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income do i need some sort of online bank for this to work? or can i just enter my car details? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353741#p353741 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income
Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income you can use the pc while the app is running but it might be sluggish, it depends on what speed do you set for it. You can cash out using any of the major payment services like paypal. Yes, you must be connected to internet for it to work. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353739#p353739 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income
2018-02-25
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income can i use pc while the app is running? and do i need to be on the internet all time? and lastly how do you cash the money out into your acount? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353738#p353738 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income hiso how do you exit the application? can't seem to find a way... do i have to close it via the task manager? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353736#p353736 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income oddly alt f4 doesn't work but you can close it by pressing alt space and then selecting close. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353737#p353737 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income I am using nvda aswell. the interface is like an internet page, I had trouble at first to get to it but clicking the aplication object with the object nav fixed it. try pressing insert space a few times that might work. after you manage to focus the window just use your arrow keys to navigate. To register you need to download the software first and register from there. The registration is simple, only e-mail and password are required. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353726#p353726 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Hello folks! Well, fair enough. I've been reading more about it in the mean time. Now to some technical issues. What screenreader are you guys using? I was asked to allow it through firwall, although no popup window appeared. Also, the program window seems to be blank, no content to be read with OCR or other navigating metods like screen exploration. As a side note, I'm using NVDA. Any help is greatly appreciated.Best regards, Haramir. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353723#p353723 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income I can't figure out how to register. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353724#p353724 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income yeah it's better than mining them yourself anyway, you need a mining rig for that nowadays. Not to mention the hassle of converting your btc into real money. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353718#p353718 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Sorry for the double post, to the person asking why they are hipotetically paying us.You are giving them your PCs power. They are probably mining BTC and you just get a fraction of their income. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353715#p353715 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income well it worked for over a day on my pc and everything is fine. If the other jobs are accessible aswell this little program could be handy. Once you download and instal the program you can find the information needed by pressing enter on help. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353713#p353713 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Yes, going to test that URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353714#p353714 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: an accessible method to earn a little extra income Hello folks! I'll check it out, although it sounds a bit dubious. I'm not telling I don't believe you, but for what I read in the site, they never tell us exactly why they pay us for that. I really hope nothing nasty is in stock, for I really appreciate the extra cash.Best regards, Haramir. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=353712#p353712 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
