Stus-List Meeting US Watercraft...

[David via CnC-List]

All,

Below is an excerpt  from an Post Script e-mail sent out to the NE Rendezvous 
Attendees.   

C & C Yachts/ US Watercraft were wonderful.  Not only did they 
sponsor the Saturday evening's festivities, they brought over the 30 and
 the 41 for boarding and sailing.   Lucky were the ones who copped a 
ride Saturday afternoon on the 30.
Barry Carroll was a fun guest and 
speaker it was great to hear the passion he still feels for the marque 
and how they will continue to translate it into their future models.  Sara 
Angell was wonderful working with us and getting the boats to the docks
 
As C & C Yachts expand West they would very much like to hear about other 
rendezvous plans.

It looks like C & C is in very good hands.  Good on them.  Good on us.


David F. Risch
1981 40-2
Corsair
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
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Stus-List Northeast Rendezvous

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hi Guys,It was really great to meet you guys in Newport on Saturday.  I regret 
not having brought Lolita but, I had a great time none-the-less!   I really 
enjoyed seeing the boats and thanks to those that let me board and have a look 
around! I say job well done.  It's really cool to put faces to some of the 
email addresses! Danny,Lolita1973 Viking 33Westport point, MA

-- Original Message --
From: David via CnC-List 
To: CNC CNC 
Cc: "sang...@uswatercraft.com" 
Subject: Stus-List Meeting US Watercraft...
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 07:52:03 -0400


All,

Below is an excerpt  from an Post Script e-mail sent out to the NE Rendezvous 
Attendees.   

C & C Yachts/ US Watercraft were wonderful.  Not only did they sponsor the 
Saturday evening's festivities, they brought over the 30 and the 41 for 
boarding and sailing.   Lucky were the ones who copped a ride Saturday 
afternoon on the 30.
Barry Carroll was a fun guest and speaker it was great to hear the passion he 
still feels for the marque and how they will continue to translate it into 
their future models.  Sara Angell was wonderful working with us and getting the 
boats to the docks
 
As C & C Yachts expand West they would very much like to hear about other 
rendezvous plans.

It looks like C & C is in very good hands.  Good on them.  Good on us.


David F. Risch
1981 40-2
Corsair
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Re: Stus-List c and c 29-2 mast cap.

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

If the 29 is like the 30, then the whole top of the mast (aluminum casting) 
comes off - it rests on the top of the mast, but the casting goes down inside 
of the mast. The sheaves are in the top piece, and you must take it off to get 
the sheave axles out. Mine is secured with about 8 stainless screws, evenly 
spaced around the casting. It is a tight fit, it took some prying with small 
pry bars to get it out.

I agree - I think the 29 is keel stepped and if so, keeping the lowers in place 
and using the pole topping lift can hold the mast in place while you work on 
the top. But, your crane must hold you up there without any help from halyards 
and such, as they are all attached to or through the top casting.

Gary


  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List 
  To: Bev Parslow ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 10:08 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List c and c 29-2 mast cap.


  On the 35-3, you would not have to affect the standing rigging to change a 
sheave.  It should be possible from a bosun's chair (at the crane or on other 
halyards).  I would suggest going up to check what it looks like before 
gathering the right tools and planning the job.  On the 35-3, the sheaves are 
rigged similar to those on the boom.  There is a stainless cover over one end 
of the sheave axle.  When that is removed, you should be able to push the axle 
out and remove the sheave (holding it as others suggested).  Yours may be 
different, but it may not be necessary to remove the mast cap.


  Tim
  Mojito
  35-3 Branford, CT

  On Sep 21, 2014, at 7:14 PM, Bev Parslow via CnC-List  
wrote:


We have a mast tower at the club. The main sheave needs to be replaced. Can 
we take off the cap at the mast tower and avoid hauling out the mast for the 
replacement?
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Stus-List c and c 29-2 mast cap

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

I would just go ahead and pay to un-step the mast.

 I was all worried about that before doing it last spring.  It took 10
 minutes of taping the rod threads (To mark the turnbuckle position
 adjustment),   10 minutes for 'Stumpy' to pick it up with the travel lift
 and set it down on saw horses (So smooth, a complete non-issue) , and 85
 bucks for the round trip.

 Best 85 bucks I ever spent.  There are so many other things you can fix,
 clean, lube, inspect, replace, and improve while you're at it..

 -Francois
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Re: Stus-List c and c 29-2 mast cap

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

You got a bargain!  Cost me $400 to unstep the mast of my 35, and $800 for
my 28 in Annapolis!

Joel

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
>I would just go ahead and pay to un-step the mast.
>
>I was all worried about that before doing it last spring.  It took 10
>minutes of taping the rod threads (To mark the turnbuckle position
>adjustment),   10 minutes for 'Stumpy' to pick it up with the travel lift
>and set it down on saw horses (So smooth, a complete non-issue) , and 85
>bucks for the round trip.
>
>Best 85 bucks I ever spent.  There are so many other things you can
>fix, clean, lube, inspect, replace, and improve while you're at it..
>
>-Francois
>1990 34+ "Take Five"
>Lake Lanier, Georgia
>
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Re: Stus-List c and c 29-2 mast cap

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

FWIW,

We sometimes hire a crane tow truck to unstep masts or to lift out an
engine.  Much cheaper than a boatyard.

Dennis C.

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> You got a bargain!  Cost me $400 to unstep the mast of my 35, and $800 for
> my 28 in Annapolis!
>
> Joel
>
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>I would just go ahead and pay to un-step the mast.
>>
>>I was all worried about that before doing it last spring.  It took 10
>>minutes of taping the rod threads (To mark the turnbuckle position
>>adjustment),   10 minutes for 'Stumpy' to pick it up with the travel lift
>>and set it down on saw horses (So smooth, a complete non-issue) , and 85
>>bucks for the round trip.
>>
>>Best 85 bucks I ever spent.  There are so many other things you can
>>fix, clean, lube, inspect, replace, and improve while you're at it..
>>
>>-Francois
>>1990 34+ "Take Five"
>>Lake Lanier, Georgia
>>
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Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

I'm in the same boat (Pun intended)

 The kids dig it, every one except the dog and my wife loves to hang out on
 the rail when the wind pipes up.  No matter how much I tell my wife that
 the lake winds and little chop are not even close to being a challenge for
 a boat that was meant for offshore racing / cruising she just sits there
 worried..

 My biggest problem is that she does not participate much anymore.  The few
 times she was grinding or doing something she kinda got into it.  We tried
 her at the helm many times, she does not have much of a feel for it  and
 typically looses focus which turns into luffing / half tacks..When I
 try to talk her through it, she takes it as a personal dig on her sailing
 skills.  Obviously,  she's a bit short on skills, she's have never sailed
 before.

 My next attempt is to get her to take lessons from the local guy at the
 marina.  (We're overdue for formal stuff) I meant to do it last year but
 much needed boat maintenance / updates drained the available funds.  I
 figure (Hope) she'll be more receptive to the instructor's advice and
 instructions.

 I think if we can get her busy on the boat, she'll enjoy it better.

 -Francois
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Re: Stus-List c and c 29-2 mast cap

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

We pay about $200 to unstep and $300 for the step at my marina

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 9:27 AM
To: Jean-Francois J Rivard; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List c and c 29-2 mast cap

 

You got a bargain!  Cost me $400 to unstep the mast of my 35, and $800 for my 
28 in Annapolis!

 

Joel

 

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I would just go ahead and pay to un-step the mast.  

I was all worried about that before doing it last spring.  It took 10 minutes 
of taping the rod threads (To mark the turnbuckle position adjustment),   10 
minutes for 'Stumpy' to pick it up with the travel lift and set it down on saw 
horses (So smooth, a complete non-issue) , and 85 bucks for the round trip.  

Best 85 bucks I ever spent.  There are so many other things you can fix, clean, 
lube, inspect, replace, and improve while you're at it.. 

-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, Georgia


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Re: Stus-List c and c 29-2 mast cap

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Wow. The yards around here us the travel lift or a Lull with a jib boom on the 
end of the forklift mast to haul masts. The going rate is $65 per hour. I've 
seen a couple of masts lifted out while the boat sits in the haul out slip, 
then the boat goes back to her slip while the work on the mast is done.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC

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> On Sep 22, 2014, at 9:27, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> You got a bargain!  Cost me $400 to unstep the mast of my 35, and $800 for my 
> 28 in Annapolis!
> 
> Joel
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I would just go ahead and pay to un-step the mast.  
>> 
>> I was all worried about that before doing it last spring.  It took 10 
>> minutes of taping the rod threads (To mark the turnbuckle position 
>> adjustment),   10 minutes for 'Stumpy' to pick it up with the travel lift 
>> and set it down on saw horses (So smooth, a complete non-issue) , and 85 
>> bucks for the round trip.  
>> 
>> Best 85 bucks I ever spent.  There are so many other things you can fix, 
>> clean, lube, inspect, replace, and improve while you're at it.. 
>> 
>> -Francois
>> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
>> Lake Lanier, Georgia
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Anchor chain cover

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

When one of my crew lost the cover overboard, I bought a new hawse pipe made of 
polished stainless steel on EBay for about $29US. The cap on this one is on a 
hinge and spring loaded so it stays in place (open the cap and slide it on the 
hinge and it props open for letting out or recovering chain).

Rick Brass

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> On Sep 21, 2014, at 17:03, Patrick Wesley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> "A stitch in time saves nine", amazing how valid are some of the old sayings. 
> If I had replaced the chain securing the anchor chain cover when I first 
> noticed it my crew would not have dropped it overboard while anchoring in 
> Suchia!
> 
> Would anyone in the Victoria/Sidney BC area have any ideas about finding a 
> replacement? New one from the catalogues would likely require removal of the 
> vertical tube housing and rebedding of the new one.
> 
> Thanks, Patrick
> 
> C&C 24, The Boat, Sidney BC
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:36 AM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Burt,
>> 
>> If you replace the attachment fitting, consider one with a shoulder.  A 
>> simple eye bolt may not be able to withstand as much side load as a 
>> shouldered eye bolt or eve nut.  
>> 
>> From what you've described, there is some clearance on the underside of the 
>> car.  Perhaps an eye nut bolted from underneath may work.  Look at this item:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It comes in 1/4 (400 lbs SWL), 5/16 (800 lbs SWL), 3/8 inch (1320 lbs SWL).  
>> I have one of these and its eye bolt equivalent in 1/2 inch installed in 
>> Touche' masthead for attaching spinnaker halyard blocks.
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I really have no issues with my traveler except the attachment point for 
>>> the mainsheet block. It is a 4:1 with dual end sheaves. I lubricated the 
>>> captive track rollers and sheaves when I had it apart. It adjusts easily 
>>> under a load. The adjusting line is continuous. I think the correct size 
>>> stainless eye bolt will fill the bill and keep my hard earned $$ in my 
>>> pocket to be used for more pressing things like a new AC electrical system 
>>> and an isolated starting battery, new house bank batteries and a 2-bank 
>>> charger.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam 
>>> Salter via CnC-List
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 2:04 AM
>>> To: CnC
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Traveler components
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> ‎As an alternative, I replaced my traveler with Harken a few seasons ago. 
>>> 
>>> The track has a "T" slot on the bottom so the bolts slide into any position 
>>> and use the existing holes from the original setup.
>>> 
>>> High quality, possibly a bit more expensive than Garhauer, adjusts under 
>>> load, a great improvement over the original equipment.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> sam :-)
>>> 
>>> C&C 26 Liquorice 
>>> 
>>> Ghost Lake Alberta 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: kirk sneddon via CnC-List
>>> 
>>> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 7:30 PM
>>> 
>>> To: 'Paul Fountain'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> 
>>> Reply To: kirk sneddon
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Traveler components
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Very happy with the quality and service from Garhauer.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I also worked with Guido.  I replaced my traveler this spring. I sent them 
>>> my old track and they used it as a drill template, so installation was easy 
>>> with no new holes to drill.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The Garhauer cars are low friction, and high quality. With the  increased 
>>> mechanical advantage and continuous line it was a major improvement for 
>>> modest sum.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Kirk Sneddon
>>> 
>>> C&C 29 MK II
>>> 
>>> Flying Cloud
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
>>> Fountain via CnC-List
>>> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 9:07 AM
>>> To: Marek Dziedzic; 
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Traveler components
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Have a garhauer traveller ... Works great!
>>> 
>>> Paul. :)
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2014, at 8:18 AM, "Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would second the idea of talking to Guido about the repairs.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Or better yet, talking to him about replacing the traveller. Their new cars 
>>> are supposedly really good.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Marek
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Dennis C. via CnC-List
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 10:15 PM
>>> 
>>> To: Burt Stratton ; CnClist
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Traveler components
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Burt,
>>> 
>>> You should have several options.  
>>> 
>>> You might consider talking to Guido or Mark at Garhauer Marine.  They may 
>>> be able to make you a new and better car for a reasonable price.
>>> 
>>> I'm assuming there

Re: Stus-List video

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

Great video.  I have a 27 V and it is nice to see one sailed so well.  I wish I 
had a crew that could tack that smoothly.  What boat finished first?   What do 
you use for a main sail.  I will probably get one next season.  I just added a 
Garhauer rigid vang.  Jerry J&J C&C 27 v.

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> On Jul 14, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Brent Driedger via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> We have a Laser 28 in our harbour. She's gotta be the fastest well equipped 
> cruising 28 foot boat ever!
> Good luck to your son. 
> 
> Brent D
> 27-5
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 8:41 AM, Chris Price via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Chuck, many of the anchorages we visit will accommodate 6'3". While you may 
>> not be able to go all the way into Swan Creek, you can certainly enter and 
>> pick up a mooring at Swan Creek Marina. Corsica is great and Reed Creek next 
>> door is challenging whether you draw 5'3" or 6'3". We overnighted in Harris 
>> Creek last Sunday off the Choptank, but you'd need to sail around 
>> Blackwalnut Point since Knapp's Narrows has shoaled.Our depth sounder is 
>> still not working under power, despite trying Bill Bina's suggestion of 
>> turning on incandescent lights, so any mooring is a challenge for us! I 
>> guess I'm just saying don't totally exclude the Easter Shore.
>> 
>> By the way, just got back yesterday from picking up a nice Laser 28 from Des 
>> Moines, IA with my son. He's taking it to Somers Point today to sail in 
>> Atlantic City Race Week. He should do well, but it means one less J24 to 
>> race.
>> 
>> Chris Price
>> Pradel
>> 35 Mk I
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Chuck S via CnC-List" 
>> To: "Joe Della Barba" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
>> 
>> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 6:20:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft
>> 
>> Gotta visit Corsica River one of these weekends.
>> My crew seems more focused on anchoring out, swims, kayaking, and 
>> sightseeing close to Broad Creek.
>> We will explore more as we get used to this new to us way of cruising.
>> 
>> 
>> Chuck
>> Resolute
>> 1990 C&C 34R
>> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>> 
>> From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
>> To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
>> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 5:41:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft
>> 
>> Coquina was not purchased because we needed the shallow draft, she was 
>> purchased because the previous owners moved to Barnaget Bay and had only 
>> about 4 feet at their dock. They bought a centerboard C&C, a Corvette IIRC. 
>> Coquina spent 12 years on the Magothy and then another 12 on the Severn 
>> before coming to the Shore. Your boat would be able to use our marina about 
>> 2/3s of the time this year. I think anything except right at low tide would 
>> work. Some years when the dredging is late we cannot get out at normal low 
>> tide. This year it has to be a NorthWester to be too shallow. This year I 
>> can use Kent Narrows again. Last year anything over 4 feet was very risky.
>> OTOH 9 feet would be fine at my mooring, but that is a half hour drive 
>> upstream and then 12 miles back downstream to get back out.
>>  
>> Joe Della Barba
>> j...@dellabarba.com
>> Coquina C&C 35 MK I
>> From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] 
>> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 4:11 PM
>> To: j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
>> Subject: Re: Shallows and deep draft
>>  
>> I agree Joe. 
>> That's why Magothy is heaven for my me and our 6'3" draft, most places 12 to 
>> 18 ft and from my perspective, my boat is fine, your side of the bay is too 
>> shallow for us.  Can't change that.  I respect your choice but prefer mine 
>> for me and not trying to convince anyone to change theirs.  It's good they 
>> make different flavors. 
>>  
>>  
>> Chuck
>> Resolute
>> 1990 C&C 34R
>> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>>  
>> From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
>> To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
>> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:02:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
>>  
>> None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I 
>> go. They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground 
>> in Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in 
>> Knapps Narrows, etc….
>> Joe Della Barba
>> j...@dellabarba.com
>>  
>> Coquina
>> C&C 35 MK I
>>  
>>  
>> From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] 
>> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM
>> To: j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
>>  
>> FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, 
>> while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore.  A keel a foot deeper can 
>> lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter 
>> winds, when racing.  Light displacement is not so important where it's windy 
>> or if you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing. 
>>  
>> A deep fin protects the rudder, is

Re: Stus-List Meeting US Watercraft...

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I'm looking forward to seeing the boats in Annapolis.  I can dream!

Joel

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 7:52 AM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

> All,
>
> Below is an excerpt  from an Post Script e-mail sent out to the NE
> Rendezvous Attendees.
>
>
>- C & C Yachts/ US Watercraft were wonderful.  Not only did they
>sponsor the Saturday evening's festivities, they brought over the 30 and
>the 41 for boarding and sailing.   Lucky were the ones who copped a ride
>Saturday afternoon on the 30.
>- Barry Carroll was a fun guest and speaker it was great to hear the
>passion he still feels for the marque and how they will continue to
>translate it into their future models.  Sara Angell was wonderful working
>with us and getting the boats to the docks
>
>
> As C & C Yachts expand West they would very much like to hear about other
> rendezvous plans.
>
> It looks like C & C is in very good hands.  Good on them.  Good on us.
>
>
> David F. Risch
> 1981 40-2
> Corsair
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
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Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I think that this usually happens at the same time (and frequency) as the keel 
falls off

Marek (in Ottawa)

From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 10:09 PM
To: Martin DeYoung ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com ; Fred Hazzard 
Subject: Stus-List sailing under jib alone

I am not saying it hasn't happened, but how many of you guys (and gals) have 
seen a rig fail on a C&C..I have been sailing for approx. 40 years and have 
witnessed rig failures but not one on a C&C.  I did see a 'chain plate' get 
pulled up approx one inch threw the deck on a C&C 36 but the crew got the rig 
depowered before any more damage could occurmain was up as well.

My 32 has a mast the size of a telephone pole, keel stepped, baby stay... 
and I sail with a 135% all the time and will continue to sail with the jib 
alone and will not feel threaten in any way shape or form about rig failure as 
long as my standing rigging is sound, as it should be!

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.




On 2014/09/19 5:35 PM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List wrote:

  > … applies to fractional rigs without running back stays.  It could also 
apply to mast head rigs without back stays.<

   

  What Fred said matches my understanding of why there may be some concern 
expressed by some sailors regarding sailing with head sails only.

   

  In the very old days the ship’s rudders were so small and weak balancing and 
steering the vessel by the location and trim of the sails was necessary.  
Modern designs and construction methods allow us to compensate for an 
un-balanced rig with mechanical advantage and a strong rudder.

   

  During the heyday of IOR designs, including fractional rigs, many designers 
and owners in search of the smallest advantage would put up a lightly built 
small section mast.  I recall seeing 4 and 5 spreader rigs on 40’ boats with 
very small section mast extrusions.  Many of these rigs appreciated the 
additional fore and aft stabilization that the mainsail gave to the mast 
itself.  Many of these rigs went over the side owing to operator error.

   

  For those of us sailing a well maintained non-custom (thinking Evergreen 
here) C&C design with the headsail only in most conditions but certainly in 
light air will not jeopardize the rig’s stability.  If you find yourself in 
heavy air “pounding” conditions it may be well to sight up the mast as the boat 
makes a hard landing to be sure the mast “pumping” (fore and aft”) is under 
control.  In those extreme conditions some mainsail load may add some dampening 
to the mast pumping.

   

  Martin

  Calypso

  1971 C&C 43

  Seattle




   

  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Fred 
Hazzard via CnC-List
  Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:36 PM
  To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone

   

  I imagine that not sailing with jib only applies to fractional rigs without 
running back stays.  It could also apply to mast head rigs with out back stays.

   

  Fred Hazzard

  S/V Fury

  C&C 44

  Porland, Or

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

  On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  All,

   

  Earlier this week I went out for a lazy sail after work.  Unfurled the jib in 
10 knots of wind and decided I was too lazy to remove the main cover and hoist 
the main.

   

  I've read that sailing under only jib is bad because it places an uneven load 
on the rigging.  Seems to me that the load is minimal in light air and the 
total load is a lot less under one sail.

   

  Thoughts?

   

  Joel

  35/3

  Annapolis



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Re: Stus-List c and c 29-2 mast cap

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

Ouch! The club here has two smaller fixed cranes and a "pole cat" - a used 
utility truck with a
boom arm. The smallest fixed crane will do masts easily up to 30 - 32' boats. 
All are available
for free with volunteers operating the pole cat.

For haul out the club hires in two large cranes. So we get the masts unstepped 
and stored,
the cradles brought in by forklift and laid out, the boats hauled, stored over 
the winter, the boats launched,
the masts stepped and cradles stored for $900 on a 30' boat.

It is self service for the mast unstepping / stepping and layout on the mast 
racks, but there always
is lots of people to help.


I have removed and serviced the original sheaves on my 30-1 twice. I cleaned 
them up when I went
from wire to rope and replaced the Oilite bearings, then replaced the Oilite 
bearings again two years
later. The bearings were crushing a bit and the play allowed some sideways 
misalignment, ending
up in scoring the sides of the sheave and the mast casting. Also lots of 
friction at high loads.

Last year I replaced the two jib sheaves with Acetyl ( Acetal - Delrin ). I 
found ISOMAT had the correct
size and were the two piece design I wanted. So a smaller "donut" goes around 
the SS shaft. I purchased
that undersized and drilled it out to be a press fit on the shaft. The Sheave 
goes over the donut and
uses the increased diameter as a plain bearing. The Acetyl is very hard, in 
fact rated for use with wire.
So far this year, including numerous sail changes at over 20 kts in the LO300, 
the sheaves have
worked very well. Lighter weight, no grease required.

Will check them when I pull the mast next month.


Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1



Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:45:52 -0400 
From: "Burt Stratton"  
To: "'Joel Aronson'" ,  
Subject: Re: Stus-List c and c 29-2 mast cap 
Message-ID: <02b801cfd66b$874f4e40$95edeac0$@falconnect.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
 
We pay about $200 to unstep and $300 for the step at my marina 
 
  
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 9:27 AM 
To: Jean-Francois J Rivard; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List c and c 29-2 mast cap 
 
  
 
You got a bargain!  Cost me $400 to unstep the mast of my 35, and $800 for my 
28 in Annapolis! 
 
  
 
Joel 
 
  
 
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
 wrote: 
 
I would just go ahead and pay to un-step the mast.   
 
I was all worried about that before doing it last spring.  It took 10 minutes 
of taping the rod threads (To mark the turnbuckle position adjustment),   10 
minutes for 'Stumpy' to pick it up with the travel lift and set it down on saw 
horses (So smooth, a complete non-issue) , and 85 bucks for the round trip.   
 
Best 85 bucks I ever spent.  There are so many other things you can fix, clean, 
lube, inspect, replace, and improve while you're at it..  
 
-Francois 
1990 34+ "Take Five" 
Lake Lanier, Georgia 
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Re: Stus-List c and c 29-2 mast cap

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Apparently it pays to belong to a good Club.

We do, generally, the same. 

Up to 5000 t (~1 lb.) boat -  you can do it for free using one of the two 
fixed cranes. Of course, you have to have means to move the boat from under the 
crane afterwards. There are service providers that would do a complete haul out 
(or launch), including mast unstepping (stepping), for about under $300.

Or the Club can do it for you, when we hire a couple of commercial cranes and 
we do about 100 boats in one shot. I think the fee is ~$150 per boat. There is 
a lot of volunteers involved, as well, but that does not appear on the invoice. 
Then you do the mast yourself using a mast crane (again for free, or rather , 
included in the membership fees already).

We do it twice a year, so, I guess, we have to be reasonably well organised.

Marek (in Ottawa)

From: Michael Brown via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 11:25 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List c and c 29-2 mast cap

Ouch! The club here has two smaller fixed cranes and a "pole cat" - a used 
utility truck with a
boom arm. The smallest fixed crane will do masts easily up to 30 - 32' boats. 
All are available
for free with volunteers operating the pole cat.

For haul out the club hires in two large cranes. So we get the masts unstepped 
and stored,
the cradles brought in by forklift and laid out, the boats hauled, stored over 
the winter, the boats launched,
the masts stepped and cradles stored for $900 on a 30' boat.

It is self service for the mast unstepping / stepping and layout on the mast 
racks, but there always
is lots of people to help.

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Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

I've been lucky. My first admiral was gung-ho for almost anything thrilling, so 
sailing on the windows was not a problem. We used to take our Coronado 15 
dinghy out into the ocean from Marina del Rey and up to Santa Monica and back - 
surfing down the side of waves on the way back. (she then co-drove the IMSA 
911)  

Second admiral was much the same way - another 911 person - now the co-owner of 
Penniless - and running second in the Wednesday night B fleet (has a first 
place trophy from a few years back).

Current admiral was raised by a father with an old Alden 46 yawl. After many 
summers spent sanding and varnishing, he would take it out when the wind was 
over 15, so it would move. Now, she doesn't like it when the rail is not close 
to the waves.

As I said, I'm lucky.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 9:41 AM
  Subject: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans


I'm in the same boat (Pun intended) 

The kids dig it, every one except the dog and my wife loves to hang out on 
the rail when the wind pipes up.  No matter how much I tell my wife that the 
lake winds and little chop are not even close to being a challenge for a boat 
that was meant for offshore racing / cruising she just sits there worried..  

My biggest problem is that she does not participate much anymore.  The few 
times she was grinding or doing something she kinda got into it.  We tried her 
at the helm many times, she does not have much of a feel for it  and typically 
looses focus which turns into luffing / half tacks..When I try to talk her 
through it, she takes it as a personal dig on her sailing skills.  Obviously,  
she's a bit short on skills, she's have never sailed before. 

My next attempt is to get her to take lessons from the local guy at the 
marina.  (We're overdue for formal stuff) I meant to do it last year but much 
needed boat maintenance / updates drained the available funds.  I figure (Hope) 
she'll be more receptive to the instructor's advice and instructions. 

I think if we can get her busy on the boat, she'll enjoy it better. 

-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five" 
Lake Lanier, Georgia



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Stus-List NW Rendezvous 2015

[Alan Bergen via CnC-List]

Jim: 

We should try to get US Watercraft to visit at the NW rendezvous, next year. 

Alan Bergen 
35 Mk III Thirsty 
Rose City YC 
Portland, OR 

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Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

All,

I’ve been lucky as well, but I can offer up some good tips:

1. If you race the boat, get her on to the racing team. I know this may create 
the Seinfeld-esqe paradox of “Worlds Colliding”, but her comfort level will 
increase drastically when she sees the boat heeling while under the control of 
you and your able crew. A lot of her discomfort is based on safety concerns, 
and when she’s out with you, she may think you are faking it by pretending to 
enjoy the heel. Seeing it happen regularly to the delight of you and others 
will go a long way.

2. Give her the wheel from time to time. Let her feel the power and control. 
And don’t appear nervous - if she sees you enjoying the angle while she’s 
driving, she’ll come to enjoy it while you are. 

3. Get her a big, comfy chair. We have one of these on board: 
http://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--high-back-go-anywhere-seat-navy-blue--10967917.
 Yes, it may interfere with getting to the winch handle. But when she’s 
comfortable on board, she’ll gladly move when you make adjustments. Plus, a 
comfy seat will cradle her and make her more comfortable. There’s a reason why 
they have bucket seats and not benches in sports cars. 

4. Let her add her personal touches on board. This past weekend, David Risch, 
possibly to protect his masculinity hard-core racing image, was very quick to 
point out that the frilly blue throw pillows in the cockpit were all Diane’s 
idea and not his. Now I know how much we all like our boats to look fabulous, 
but not, you know, FABULOUS, but, even still, just having them there, for her, 
will make the boat that much more inviting to her. Good move, David. And yes, 
the Enterprise has throw pillows on board too (but way more manly than the ones 
David has.)  :-)

5. Attend a Rendezvous. She’ll talk with the other spouses because, frankly, 
she doesn’t want to hear the story that you’re telling the other guys about how 
you braved the latest storm or finished a race with a leaking bilge pump. And, 
surprisingly enough, you’ll find that they’re not talking about fashion, 
flowers, frilly things or how much men suck, but about their experiences on 
their boats — the exciting times, the scary times and how they felt when things 
went wrong. They won’t feel alone and they will enjoy it all, even the heeling, 
that much more. 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log



On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
 wrote:

> I've been lucky. My first admiral was gung-ho for almost anything thrilling, 
> so sailing on the windows was not a problem. We used to take our Coronado 15 
> dinghy out into the ocean from Marina del Rey and up to Santa Monica and back 
> - surfing down the side of waves on the way back. (she then co-drove the IMSA 
> 911) 
>  
> Second admiral was much the same way - another 911 person - now the co-owner 
> of Penniless - and running second in the Wednesday night B fleet (has a first 
> place trophy from a few years back).
>  
> Current admiral was raised by a father with an old Alden 46 yawl. After many 
> summers spent sanding and varnishing, he would take it out when the wind was 
> over 15, so it would move. Now, she doesn't like it when the rail is not 
> close to the waves.
>  
> As I said, I'm lucky.
>  
> Gary
> - Original Message -
> From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 9:41 AM
> Subject: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
> 
> I'm in the same boat (Pun intended) 
> 
> The kids dig it, every one except the dog and my wife loves to hang out on 
> the rail when the wind pipes up.  No matter how much I tell my wife that the 
> lake winds and little chop are not even close to being a challenge for a boat 
> that was meant for offshore racing / cruising she just sits there worried..  
> 
> My biggest problem is that she does not participate much anymore.  The few 
> times she was grinding or doing something she kinda got into it.  We tried 
> her at the helm many times, she does not have much of a feel for it  and 
> typically looses focus which turns into luffing / half tacks..When I try 
> to talk her through it, she takes it as a personal dig on her sailing skills. 
>  Obviously,  she's a bit short on skills, she's have never sailed before. 
> 
> My next attempt is to get her to take lessons from the local guy at the 
> marina.  (We're overdue for formal stuff) I meant to do it last year but much 
> needed boat maintenance / updates drained the available funds.  I figure 
> (Hope) she'll be more receptive to the instructor's advice and instructions. 
> 
> I think if we can get her busy on the boat, she'll enjoy it better. 
> 
> -Francois
> 1990 34+ "Take Five" 
> Lake Lanier, Georgia
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans

[Indigo via CnC-List]

Some great advice!  My wife, a very reluctant sailor, sought advice years ago 
from Edwin Gaynor (RIP). She did not act on his advice - which was " go racing" 
until this year. Made all the difference - along with sailing with girl friends 
on the Ideal 18s. 

--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Sep 22, 2014, at 13:26, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
>   I’ve been lucky as well, but I can offer up some good tips:
> 
> 1. If you race the boat, get her on to the racing team. I know this may 
> create the Seinfeld-esqe paradox of “Worlds Colliding”, but her comfort level 
> will increase drastically when she sees the boat heeling while under the 
> control of you and your able crew. A lot of her discomfort is based on safety 
> concerns, and when she’s out with you, she may think you are faking it by 
> pretending to enjoy the heel. Seeing it happen regularly to the delight of 
> you and others will go a long way.
> 
> 2. Give her the wheel from time to time. Let her feel the power and control. 
> And don’t appear nervous - if she sees you enjoying the angle while she’s 
> driving, she’ll come to enjoy it while you are. 
> 
> 3. Get her a big, comfy chair. We have one of these on board: 
> http://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--high-back-go-anywhere-seat-navy-blue--10967917.
>  Yes, it may interfere with getting to the winch handle. But when she’s 
> comfortable on board, she’ll gladly move when you make adjustments. Plus, a 
> comfy seat will cradle her and make her more comfortable. There’s a reason 
> why they have bucket seats and not benches in sports cars. 
> 
> 4. Let her add her personal touches on board. This past weekend, David Risch, 
> possibly to protect his masculinity hard-core racing image, was very quick to 
> point out that the frilly blue throw pillows in the cockpit were all Diane’s 
> idea and not his. Now I know how much we all like our boats to look fabulous, 
> but not, you know, FABULOUS, but, even still, just having them there, for 
> her, will make the boat that much more inviting to her. Good move, David. And 
> yes, the Enterprise has throw pillows on board too (but way more manly than 
> the ones David has.)  :-)
> 
> 5. Attend a Rendezvous. She’ll talk with the other spouses because, frankly, 
> she doesn’t want to hear the story that you’re telling the other guys about 
> how you braved the latest storm or finished a race with a leaking bilge pump. 
> And, surprisingly enough, you’ll find that they’re not talking about fashion, 
> flowers, frilly things or how much men suck, but about their experiences on 
> their boats — the exciting times, the scary times and how they felt when 
> things went wrong. They won’t feel alone and they will enjoy it all, even the 
> heeling, that much more. 
> 
> 
>   All the best,
> 
>   Edd
> 
> 
>   Edd M. Schillay
>   Starship Enterprise
>   C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>   City Island, NY 
>   Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I've been lucky. My first admiral was gung-ho for almost anything thrilling, 
>> so sailing on the windows was not a problem. We used to take our Coronado 15 
>> dinghy out into the ocean from Marina del Rey and up to Santa Monica and 
>> back - surfing down the side of waves on the way back. (she then co-drove 
>> the IMSA 911) 
>>  
>> Second admiral was much the same way - another 911 person - now the co-owner 
>> of Penniless - and running second in the Wednesday night B fleet (has a 
>> first place trophy from a few years back).
>>  
>> Current admiral was raised by a father with an old Alden 46 yawl. After many 
>> summers spent sanding and varnishing, he would take it out when the wind was 
>> over 15, so it would move. Now, she doesn't like it when the rail is not 
>> close to the waves.
>>  
>> As I said, I'm lucky.
>>  
>> Gary
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 9:41 AM
>> Subject: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
>> 
>> I'm in the same boat (Pun intended) 
>> 
>> The kids dig it, every one except the dog and my wife loves to hang out on 
>> the rail when the wind pipes up.  No matter how much I tell my wife that the 
>> lake winds and little chop are not even close to being a challenge for a 
>> boat that was meant for offshore racing / cruising she just sits there 
>> worried..  
>> 
>> My biggest problem is that she does not participate much anymore.  The few 
>> times she was grinding or doing something she kinda got into it.  We tried 
>> her at the helm many times, she does not have much of a feel for it  and 
>> typically looses focus which turns into luffing / half tacks..When I try 
>> to talk her through it, she takes it as a personal dig on her sailing 
>> skills.  Obviously,  she's a bit short on skills, she's have

Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

[Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List]

All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the 
merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter.

In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states
CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast 
left in place as
this places stresses on the hull and rig not encountered during normal 
operation. Any
damage  to  the  yacht,  its  cradle  or  any  associated  part will  
not  be  covered  under

warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place.


I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by 
hand.  Our club has a crane and a "gin pole"(?) that could be used to 
pull the mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast 
in place I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the 
shrouds a little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines).
I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3 
yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of 
the 4 halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the launch 
crew for me)


Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a 
good idea so I can get a good look at the mast head, sheaves etc. That 
said everything is working well -- is it easier to just go up the mast 
in a bosuns chair and do an inspection from there?


Advice appreciated,
Mark


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Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Just don't ask her to go up the mast to retrieve a halyard!

Joel

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Indigo via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Some great advice!  My wife, a very reluctant sailor, sought advice years
> ago from Edwin Gaynor (RIP). She did not act on his advice - which was " go
> racing" until this year. Made all the difference - along with sailing with
> girl friends on the Ideal 18s.
>
> --
> Jonathan
> Indigo C&C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT
>
> On Sep 22, 2014, at 13:26, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I’ve been lucky as well, but I can offer up some good tips:
>
> 1. If you race the boat, get her on to the racing team. I know this may
> create the Seinfeld-esqe paradox of “Worlds Colliding”, but her comfort
> level will increase drastically when she sees the boat heeling while under
> the control of you and your able crew. A lot of her discomfort is based on
> safety concerns, and when she’s out with you, she may think you are faking
> it by pretending to enjoy the heel. Seeing it happen regularly to the
> delight of you and others will go a long way.
>
> 2. Give her the wheel from time to time. Let her feel the power and
> control. And don’t appear nervous - if she sees you enjoying the angle
> while she’s driving, she’ll come to enjoy it while you are.
>
> 3. Get her a big, comfy chair. We have one of these on board:
> http://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--high-back-go-anywhere-seat-navy-blue--10967917.
> Yes, it may interfere with getting to the winch handle. But when she’s
> comfortable on board, she’ll gladly move when you make adjustments. Plus, a
> comfy seat will cradle her and make her more comfortable. There’s a reason
> why they have bucket seats and not benches in sports cars.
>
> 4. Let her add her personal touches on board. This past weekend, David
> Risch, possibly to protect his masculinity hard-core racing image, was very
> quick to point out that the frilly blue throw pillows in the cockpit were
> all Diane’s idea and not his. Now I know how much we all like our boats to
> look fabulous, but not, you know, FABULOUS, but, even still, just having
> them there, for her, will make the boat that much more inviting to her.
> Good move, David. And yes, the Enterprise has throw pillows on board too
> (but way more manly than the ones David has.)  :-)
>
> 5. Attend a Rendezvous. She’ll talk with the other spouses because,
> frankly, she doesn’t want to hear the story that you’re telling the other
> guys about how you braved the latest storm or finished a race with a
> leaking bilge pump. And, surprisingly enough, you’ll find that they’re not
> talking about fashion, flowers, frilly things or how much men suck, but
> about their experiences on their boats — the exciting times, the scary
> times and how they felt when things went wrong. They won’t feel alone and
> they will enjoy it all, even the heeling, that much more.
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
> On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I've been lucky. My first admiral was gung-ho for almost anything
> thrilling, so sailing on the windows was not a problem. We used to take our
> Coronado 15 dinghy out into the ocean from Marina del Rey and up to Santa
> Monica and back - surfing down the side of waves on the way back. (she then
> co-drove the IMSA 911)
>
> Second admiral was much the same way - another 911 person - now the
> co-owner of Penniless - and running second in the Wednesday night B fleet
> (has a first place trophy from a few years back).
>
> Current admiral was raised by a father with an old Alden 46 yawl. After
> many summers spent sanding and varnishing, he would take it out when the
> wind was over 15, so it would move. Now, she doesn't like it when the rail
> is not close to the waves.
>
> As I said, I'm lucky.
>
> Gary
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2014 9:41 AM
> *Subject:* Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
>
>
>I'm in the same boat (Pun intended)
>
>The kids dig it, every one except the dog and my wife loves to hang
>out on the rail when the wind pipes up.  No matter how much I tell my wife
>that the lake winds and little chop are not even close to being a challenge
>for a boat that was meant for offshore racing / cruising she just sits
>there worried..
>
>My biggest problem is that she does not participate much anymore.  The
>few times she was grinding or doing something she kinda got into it.  We
>tried her at the helm many times, she does not have much of a feel for it
> and typically looses focus which turns into luffing / half tacks..When
>I try to talk her through it, she t

Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea.  Many clubs
around here do not permit it

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr.
Mark Bodnar via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?


All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the
merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter.
In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states
> CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast 
> left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not 
> encountered during normal operation. Any damage  to  the  yacht,  its

> cradle  or  any  associated  part will not  be  covered  under 
> warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place.

I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by hand.
Our club has a crane and a "gin pole"(?) that could be used to pull the
mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast in place
I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the shrouds a
little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines).
I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3
yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of
the 4 halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the launch
crew for me)

Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a
good idea so I can get a good look at the mast head, sheaves etc. That
said everything is working well -- is it easier to just go up the mast
in a bosuns chair and do an inspection from there?

Advice appreciated,
Mark


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Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans

[Jack Brennan via CnC-List]

Ha! My wife prefers being hoisted in a bosun’s chair, even though she’s so-so 
on sailing.

That comes from many years of roller coasters and other thrill rides.

First time one of us had to go up, I offered her a choice.  Her reply was, “I’m 
not going to do all of the work while you sit in that chair telling me what to 
do. You crank me up the mast!”

Jack Brennan
Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.


From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 1:53 PM
To: Indigo ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans

Just don't ask her to go up the mast to retrieve a halyard!

Joel

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Indigo via CnC-List  
wrote:

  Some great advice!  My wife, a very reluctant sailor, sought advice years ago 
from Edwin Gaynor (RIP). She did not act on his advice - which was " go racing" 
until this year. Made all the difference - along with sailing with girl friends 
on the Ideal 18s.


  --
  Jonathan
  Indigo C&C 35III

  SOUTHPORT CT

  On Sep 22, 2014, at 13:26, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
wrote:


All,

I’ve been lucky as well, but I can offer up some good tips:

  1. If you race the boat, get her on to the racing team. I know this may 
create the Seinfeld-esqe paradox of “Worlds Colliding”, but her comfort level 
will increase drastically when she sees the boat heeling while under the 
control of you and your able crew. A lot of her discomfort is based on safety 
concerns, and when she’s out with you, she may think you are faking it by 
pretending to enjoy the heel. Seeing it happen regularly to the delight of you 
and others will go a long way.

  2. Give her the wheel from time to time. Let her feel the power and 
control. And don’t appear nervous - if she sees you enjoying the angle while 
she’s driving, she’ll come to enjoy it while you are.

  3. Get her a big, comfy chair. We have one of these on board: 
http://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--high-back-go-anywhere-seat-navy-blue--10967917.
 Yes, it may interfere with getting to the winch handle. But when she’s 
comfortable on board, she’ll gladly move when you make adjustments. Plus, a 
comfy seat will cradle her and make her more comfortable. There’s a reason why 
they have bucket seats and not benches in sports cars.

  4. Let her add her personal touches on board. This past weekend, David 
Risch, possibly to protect his masculinity hard-core racing image, was very 
quick to point out that the frilly blue throw pillows in the cockpit were all 
Diane’s idea and not his. Now I know how much we all like our boats to look 
fabulous, but not, you know, FABULOUS, but, even still, just having them there, 
for her, will make the boat that much more inviting to her. Good move, David. 
And yes, the Enterprise has throw pillows on board too (but way more manly than 
the ones David has.)  :-)

  5. Attend a Rendezvous. She’ll talk with the other spouses because, 
frankly, she doesn’t want to hear the story that you’re telling the other guys 
about how you braved the latest storm or finished a race with a leaking bilge 
pump. And, surprisingly enough, you’ll find that they’re not talking about 
fashion, flowers, frilly things or how much men suck, but about their 
experiences on their boats — the exciting times, the scary times and how they 
felt when things went wrong. They won’t feel alone and they will enjoy it all, 
even the heeling, that much more.



All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log



On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
 wrote:


  I've been lucky. My first admiral was gung-ho for almost anything 
thrilling, so sailing on the windows was not a problem. We used to take our 
Coronado 15 dinghy out into the ocean from Marina del Rey and up to Santa 
Monica and back - surfing down the side of waves on the way back. (she then 
co-drove the IMSA 911)

  Second admiral was much the same way - another 911 person - now the 
co-owner of Penniless - and running second in the Wednesday night B fleet (has 
a first place trophy from a few years back).

  Current admiral was raised by a father with an old Alden 46 yawl. After 
many summers spent sanding and varnishing, he would take it out when the wind 
was over 15, so it would move. Now, she doesn't like it when the rail is not 
close to the waves.

  As I said, I'm lucky.

  Gary
- Original Message -
From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 9:41 AM
Subject: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans

  I'm in the same boat (Pun intended)

  The kids dig it, every one except the dog and my wife loves to hang 
out on the rail when the wind pipes up.  No matter how much I tell 

Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

[Ron Casciato via CnC-List]

In the boatyards around Boston.almost no masts are removed for
winter storage..most are stored with mast up and seem to do
well

In the past 14 years, I've only taken mine down for revisions or repairs to
wind instruments..probably 3 times in that 14 year interval

It will be staying up again this year.  Yes, relieve the tension on shrouds
and backstay "a little" not flopping around

Ron C.
Impromptu
C&C 38MKIIC.'77

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt,
Mike via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM
To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea.  Many clubs
around here do not permit it

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Mark Bodnar via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?


All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the
merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter.
In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states
> CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast 
> left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not 
> encountered during normal operation. Any damage  to  the  yacht,  its

> cradle  or  any  associated  part will not  be  covered  under 
> warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place.

I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by hand.
Our club has a crane and a "gin pole"(?) that could be used to pull the
mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast in place
I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the shrouds a
little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines).
I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3
yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of
the 4 halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the launch
crew for me)

Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a
good idea so I can get a good look at the mast head, sheaves etc. That
said everything is working well -- is it easier to just go up the mast
in a bosuns chair and do an inspection from there?

Advice appreciated,
Mark


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Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Same in Annapolis. Masts stay in the boat unless they are being worked on.

Joel

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Ron Casciato via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> In the boatyards around Boston.almost no masts are removed for
> winter storage..most are stored with mast up and seem to do
> well
>
> In the past 14 years, I've only taken mine down for revisions or repairs to
> wind instruments..probably 3 times in that 14 year interval
>
> It will be staying up again this year.  Yes, relieve the tension on shrouds
> and backstay "a little" not flopping around
>
> Ron C.
> Impromptu
> C&C 38MKIIC.'77
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt,
> Mike via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM
> To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
>
> Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea.  Many clubs
> around here do not permit it
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr.
> Mark Bodnar via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
>
>
> All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the
> merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter.
> In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states
> > CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast
> > left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not
> > encountered during normal operation. Any damage  to  the  yacht,  its
>
> > cradle  or  any  associated  part will not  be  covered  under
> > warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place.
>
> I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by hand.
> Our club has a crane and a "gin pole"(?) that could be used to pull the
> mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast in place
> I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the shrouds a
> little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines).
> I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3
> yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of
> the 4 halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the launch
> crew for me)
>
> Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a
> good idea so I can get a good look at the mast head, sheaves etc. That
> said everything is working well -- is it easier to just go up the mast
> in a bosuns chair and do an inspection from there?
>
> Advice appreciated,
> Mark
>
>
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Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans

[dwight via CnC-List]

Seems to me you guys confer the title "Admiral" far too easily.just try to
make it a fun activity, racing can be fun for some but in my experience not
for all.warmth is important so get good gear. concentrate on reaching legs,
close reaches, beam reaches and broad reaches are easy, fast and fun.chose
your crew carefully.not everyone enjoys being on the water 

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: September 22, 2014 1:39 PM
To: Jean-Francois J Rivard; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans

 

I've been lucky. My first admiral was gung-ho for almost anything thrilling,
so sailing on the windows was not a problem. We used to take our Coronado 15
dinghy out into the ocean from Marina del Rey and up to Santa Monica and
back - surfing down the side of waves on the way back. (she then co-drove
the IMSA 911)  

 

Second admiral was much the same way - another 911 person - now the co-owner
of Penniless - and running second in the Wednesday night B fleet (has a
first place trophy from a few years back).

 

Current admiral was raised by a father with an old Alden 46 yawl. After many
summers spent sanding and varnishing, he would take it out when the wind was
over 15, so it would move. Now, she doesn't like it when the rail is not
close to the waves.

 

As I said, I'm lucky.

 

Gary

- Original Message - 

From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List   

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 9:41 AM

Subject: Stus-List wife dosen't like it when the boat leans

 

I'm in the same boat (Pun intended) 

The kids dig it, every one except the dog and my wife loves to hang out on
the rail when the wind pipes up.  No matter how much I tell my wife that the
lake winds and little chop are not even close to being a challenge for a
boat that was meant for offshore racing / cruising she just sits there
worried..  

My biggest problem is that she does not participate much anymore.  The few
times she was grinding or doing something she kinda got into it.  We tried
her at the helm many times, she does not have much of a feel for it  and
typically looses focus which turns into luffing / half tacks..When I try
to talk her through it, she takes it as a personal dig on her sailing
skills.  Obviously,  she's a bit short on skills, she's have never sailed
before. 

My next attempt is to get her to take lessons from the local guy at the
marina.  (We're overdue for formal stuff) I meant to do it last year but
much needed boat maintenance / updates drained the available funds.  I
figure (Hope) she'll be more receptive to the instructor's advice and
instructions. 

I think if we can get her busy on the boat, she'll enjoy it better. 

-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five" 
Lake Lanier, Georgia


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Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

This is a long time debate.  Which damages boat / mast more?  Removal and 
reinstall of mast and potential mishaps or leaving it up?  I know that one 
season on our J27 we left the mast up.  That Spring while working on the boat 
the entire cradle would vibrate every time a gust of wind hit.  I attribute 
this to a very slender and bendy spar as much as anything.

 

The big issue these days seems to be leaving a spar up with a boat on jack 
stands.  The extra windage of the mast further compromises the integrity of 
jack stands.  One local club (Dartmouth Yacht Club) will not permit a mast to 
be left up on the hard unless the boat is stored on a cradle.  Another way to 
look at it is if you wish to use jack stands the mast must come down.

 

I realize that many boat yards in the Northeast US only allow jackstands.  I 
believe this is due to yard space and not due to a jackstand being more secure 
than a cradle.  

 

So here we are back to the very old mast up vs mast down question.  At the very 
least mast down does give you a good opportunity to inspect the standing 
rigging and the mast

 

Mike

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:17 PM
To: Ron Casciato; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

 

Same in Annapolis. Masts stay in the boat unless they are being worked on.

 

Joel

 

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Ron Casciato via CnC-List 
 wrote:

In the boatyards around Boston.almost no masts are removed for
winter storage..most are stored with mast up and seem to do
well

In the past 14 years, I've only taken mine down for revisions or repairs to
wind instruments..probably 3 times in that 14 year interval

It will be staying up again this year.  Yes, relieve the tension on shrouds
and backstay "a little" not flopping around

Ron C.
Impromptu
C&C 38MKIIC.'77


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt,
Mike via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM
To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea.  Many clubs
around here do not permit it

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr.
Mark Bodnar via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?


All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the
merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter.
In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states
> CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast
> left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not
> encountered during normal operation. Any damage  to  the  yacht,  its

> cradle  or  any  associated  part will not  be  covered  under
> warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place.

I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by hand.
Our club has a crane and a "gin pole"(?) that could be used to pull the
mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast in place
I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the shrouds a
little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines).
I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3
yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of
the 4 halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the launch
crew for me)

Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a
good idea so I can get a good look at the mast head, sheaves etc. That
said everything is working well -- is it easier to just go up the mast
in a bosuns chair and do an inspection from there?

Advice appreciated,
Mark


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Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

[Petar Horvatic via CnC-List]

Mine goes down every 4 years for inspection of rod rig, tangs etc...This
winter, besides inspecting the rig, I have to get to the keel bolt below the
mast step and also deal with failed wind instrument.  My datamarine
connector at the masthead is worn.  I also plan on changing to LED tricolor
and anchor light.  

Petar Horvatic
Sundowner
76 C&C 38MkII
Newport, RI



-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Casciato via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 3:13 PM
To: 'Hoyt, Mike'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

In the boatyards around Boston.almost no masts are removed for
winter storage..most are stored with mast up and seem to do
well

In the past 14 years, I've only taken mine down for revisions or repairs to
wind instruments..probably 3 times in that 14 year interval

It will be staying up again this year.  Yes, relieve the tension on shrouds
and backstay "a little" not flopping around

Ron C.
Impromptu
C&C 38MKIIC.'77

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt,
Mike via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM
To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea.  Many clubs around
here do not permit it

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr.
Mark Bodnar via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?


All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the
merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter.
In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states
> CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast 
> left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not 
> encountered during normal operation. Any damage  to  the  yacht,  its

> cradle  or  any  associated  part will not  be  covered  under 
> warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place.

I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by hand.
Our club has a crane and a "gin pole"(?) that could be used to pull the mast
--- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast in place I wonder
if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the shrouds a little and maybe
pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines).
I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3 yrs -
and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of the 4
halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the launch crew for
me)

Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a good
idea so I can get a good look at the mast head, sheaves etc. That said
everything is working well -- is it easier to just go up the mast in a
bosuns chair and do an inspection from there?

Advice appreciated,
Mark


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Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

[Ron Casciato via CnC-List]

Mike:

 

I agree that we haven't talked about this one for some time..in my case
(mast up)...the cost to take it down and put it back up is
prohibitivemore than $500 which is not part of the storage
agreementnot doing that every year.

 

Ron C.

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt,
Mike via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 3:32 PM
To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

 

This is a long time debate.  Which damages boat / mast more?  Removal and
reinstall of mast and potential mishaps or leaving it up?  I know that one
season on our J27 we left the mast up.  That Spring while working on the
boat the entire cradle would vibrate every time a gust of wind hit.  I
attribute this to a very slender and bendy spar as much as anything.

 

The big issue these days seems to be leaving a spar up with a boat on jack
stands.  The extra windage of the mast further compromises the integrity of
jack stands.  One local club (Dartmouth Yacht Club) will not permit a mast
to be left up on the hard unless the boat is stored on a cradle.  Another
way to look at it is if you wish to use jack stands the mast must come down.

 

I realize that many boat yards in the Northeast US only allow jackstands.  I
believe this is due to yard space and not due to a jackstand being more
secure than a cradle.  

 

So here we are back to the very old mast up vs mast down question.  At the
very least mast down does give you a good opportunity to inspect the
standing rigging and the mast

 

Mike

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel
Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:17 PM
To: Ron Casciato; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

 

Same in Annapolis. Masts stay in the boat unless they are being worked on.

 

Joel

 

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Ron Casciato via CnC-List
 wrote:

In the boatyards around Boston.almost no masts are removed for
winter storage..most are stored with mast up and seem to do
well

In the past 14 years, I've only taken mine down for revisions or repairs to
wind instruments..probably 3 times in that 14 year interval

It will be staying up again this year.  Yes, relieve the tension on shrouds
and backstay "a little" not flopping around

Ron C.
Impromptu
C&C 38MKIIC.'77


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt,
Mike via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM
To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea.  Many clubs
around here do not permit it

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr.
Mark Bodnar via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?


All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the
merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter.
In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states
> CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast
> left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not
> encountered during normal operation. Any damage  to  the  yacht,  its

> cradle  or  any  associated  part will not  be  covered  under
> warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place.

I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by hand.
Our club has a crane and a "gin pole"(?) that could be used to pull the
mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast in place
I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the shrouds a
little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines).
I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3
yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of
the 4 halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the launch
crew for me)

Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a
good idea so I can get a good look at the mast head, sheaves etc. That
said everything is working well -- is it easier to just go up the mast
in a bosuns chair and do an inspection from there?

Advice appreciated,
Mark


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Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

The yard where I keep my boat requires the mast to come down for winter storage 
on the hard.  I feel it gives me the opportunity to have a look at everything 
every year.  It also makes covering her up a lot easier... DannyLolita1973 
Viking 33Westport Point, MA

-- Original Message --
From: Ron Casciato via CnC-List 
To: "'Hoyt, Mike'" , 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:41:35 -0400


 
 
Mike:
 
I agree that we haven’t talked about this one for some 
time..in my case (mast up)…….the 
cost to take it down and put it back up is 
prohibitive……….more than $500 which is not part of the 
storage agreementnot doing that every year.
 
Ron C.
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike 
via CnC-List
 Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 3:32 PM
 To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
 
This is a long time debate.  Which damages boat / mast more?  Removal and 
reinstall of mast and potential mishaps or leaving it up?  I know that one 
season on our J27 we left the mast up.  That Spring while working on the boat 
the entire cradle would vibrate every time a gust of wind hit.  I attribute 
this to a very slender and bendy spar as much as anything.
 
The big issue these days seems to be leaving a spar up with a boat on jack 
stands.  The extra windage of the mast further compromises the integrity of 
jack stands.  One local club (Dartmouth Yacht Club) will not permit a mast to 
be left up on the hard unless the boat is stored on a cradle.  Another way to 
look at it is if you wish to use jack stands the mast must come down.
 
I realize that many boat yards in the Northeast US only allow jackstands.  I 
believe this is due to yard space and not due to a jackstand being more secure 
than a cradle.  
 
So here we are back to the very old mast up vs mast down question.  At the very 
least mast down does give you a good opportunity to inspect the standing 
rigging and the mast
 
Mike
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
 Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:17 PM
 To: Ron Casciato; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
 
Same in Annapolis. Masts stay in the boat unless they are being worked on.
 
Joel
 
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Ron Casciato via CnC-List 
 wrote:
In the boatyards around Boston.almost no masts are removed for
 winter storage..most are stored with mast up and seem to do
 well
 
 In the past 14 years, I've only taken mine down for revisions or repairs to
 wind instruments..probably 3 times in that 14 year interval
 
 It will be staying up again this year.  Yes, relieve the tension on shrouds
 and backstay "a little" not flopping around
 
 Ron C.
 Impromptu
 C&C 38MKIIC.'77

 -Original Message-
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt,
 Mike via CnC-List
 Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM
 To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
 
 Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea.  Many clubs
 around here do not permit it
 
 -Original Message-
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr.
 Mark Bodnar via CnC-List
 Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
 
 
 All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the
 merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter.
 In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states
 > CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast
 > left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not
 > encountered during normal operation. Any damage  to  the  yacht,  its
 
 > cradle  or  any  associated  part will not  be  covered  under
 > warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place.
 
 I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by hand.
 Our club has a crane and a "gin pole"(?) that could be used to pull the
 mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast in place
 I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the shrouds a
 little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines).
 I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3
 yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of
 the 4 halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the launch
 crew for me)
 
 Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a
 good idea so I can get a good look at the mast head, sheaves etc. That
 said everything is working well -- is it easier to just go up the mast
 in a bosuns chair and do an inspection from there?
 
 Advice appreciated,
 Mark
 
 
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 There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interva

Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Ours used to do so as well - "insurance" now, we can leave them up. Mine 
comes down every two or three years, just because I either have to fix 
something up there or under the mast step. Last year, I got the mast out and 
stored the boat under the shed - no cover, no nothing. neat! The year 
before, it was up and we were shrink-wrapped.

This year, up, on land, and a small cover (the shrink-wrap is expensive and 
doesn't seem to keep it that much cleaner than a boom top tarp). Hopefully we 
will be next to the building again - protects from adverse wind. Small yard.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
  To: rjcasci...@comcast.net ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 3:48 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?


  The yard where I keep my boat requires the mast to come down for winter 
storage on the hard.  I feel it gives me the opportunity to have a look at 
everything every year.  It also makes covering her up a lot easier...

  Danny
  Lolita
  1973 Viking 33
  Westport Point, MA


  -- Original Message --
  From: Ron Casciato via CnC-List 
  To: "'Hoyt, Mike'" , 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
  Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:41:35 -0400







  Mike:



  I agree that we haven't talked about this one for some time..in my case 
(mast up)...the cost to take it down and put it back up is prohibitivemore 
than $500 which is not part of the storage agreementnot doing that every 
year.



  Ron C.




--

  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike 
via CnC-List
  Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 3:32 PM
  To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?



  This is a long time debate.  Which damages boat / mast more?  Removal and 
reinstall of mast and potential mishaps or leaving it up?  I know that one 
season on our J27 we left the mast up.  That Spring while working on the boat 
the entire cradle would vibrate every time a gust of wind hit.  I attribute 
this to a very slender and bendy spar as much as anything.



  The big issue these days seems to be leaving a spar up with a boat on jack 
stands.  The extra windage of the mast further compromises the integrity of 
jack stands.  One local club (Dartmouth Yacht Club) will not permit a mast to 
be left up on the hard unless the boat is stored on a cradle.  Another way to 
look at it is if you wish to use jack stands the mast must come down.



  I realize that many boat yards in the Northeast US only allow jackstands.  I 
believe this is due to yard space and not due to a jackstand being more secure 
than a cradle.  



  So here we are back to the very old mast up vs mast down question.  At the 
very least mast down does give you a good opportunity to inspect the standing 
rigging and the mast



  Mike



  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel 
Aronson via CnC-List
  Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:17 PM
  To: Ron Casciato; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?



  Same in Annapolis. Masts stay in the boat unless they are being worked on.



  Joel



  On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Ron Casciato via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  In the boatyards around Boston.almost no masts are removed for
  winter storage..most are stored with mast up and seem to do
  well

  In the past 14 years, I've only taken mine down for revisions or repairs to
  wind instruments..probably 3 times in that 14 year interval

  It will be staying up again this year.  Yes, relieve the tension on shrouds
  and backstay "a little" not flopping around

  Ron C.
  Impromptu
  C&C 38MKIIC.'77


  -Original Message-
  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt,
  Mike via CnC-List
  Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM
  To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

  Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea.  Many clubs
  around here do not permit it

  -Original Message-
  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr.
  Mark Bodnar via CnC-List
  Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?


  All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the
  merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter.
  In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states
  > CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast
  > left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not
  > encountered during normal operation. Any damage  to  the  yacht,  its

  > cradle  or  any  associated  part will not  be  covered  under
  > warranty if the boat has been stored with

Re: Stus-List Meeting US Watercraft...

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I saw the two boats at the Newport Boat Show.  One of the reasons I have bought 
2 C&C’s is because I can easily single hand them due to the setup of the wheel 
and the primary winches.  Many boats I would never consider because it would be 
impossible or impractical to sail shorthanded.  Neither of the new C&C’s could 
be easily single handed.  I realize that is not what the 30 is designed for, 
but the 41 is not a race machine and more like a performance cruiser.  I was 
surprised to see that nearly all of the new boats I saw at Newport had the helm 
position essentially sealed off from the rest of the cockpit and the primary 
winches way forward.  I hope that if US Watercraft starts coming out with more 
new boats they keep in mind this aspect of cockpit layout.  Not that I am in 
the market for a new boat- I love my 34+!   Dave

On Sep 22, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
wrote:

> I'm looking forward to seeing the boats in Annapolis.  I can dream!
> 
> Joel
> 
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 7:52 AM, David via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> All,
> 
> Below is an excerpt  from an Post Script e-mail sent out to the NE Rendezvous 
> Attendees.   
> 
> C & C Yachts/ US Watercraft were wonderful.  Not only did they sponsor the 
> Saturday evening's festivities, they brought over the 30 and the 41 for 
> boarding and sailing.   Lucky were the ones who copped a ride Saturday 
> afternoon on the 30.
> Barry Carroll was a fun guest and speaker it was great to hear the passion he 
> still feels for the marque and how they will continue to translate it into 
> their future models.  Sara Angell was wonderful working with us and getting 
> the boats to the docks
>  
> As C & C Yachts expand West they would very much like to hear about other 
> rendezvous plans.
> 
> It looks like C & C is in very good hands.  Good on them.  Good on us.
> 
> 
> David F. Risch
> 1981 40-2
> Corsair
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
> 
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Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

an extra consideration is that if you are hauling by a crane, the procedure 
is much more labour and time intensive. We tried it with a couple of boats 
at the Club and everyone (probably other than the owners) hate it. If they 
are charged by the hour, it would be more agreeable. But if they are charged 
the same amount as the rest of the owners, we find it unfair. And it is a 
big PITA to have the crane use 50 ft. of chains to have the hook above the 
mast. I guess if you use some kind of a travelling lift it would be less of 
an issue.


Marek (in Ottawa)

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From: Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List

Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 1:46 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?


All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the
merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter.
In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states
CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast left 
in place as
this places stresses on the hull and rig not encountered during normal 
operation. Any
damage  to  the  yacht,  its  cradle  or  any  associated  part will  not 
be  covered  under

warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place.


I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by
hand.  Our club has a crane and a "gin pole"(?) that could be used to
pull the mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast
in place I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the
shrouds a little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines).
I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3
yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of
the 4 halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the launch
crew for me)

Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a
good idea so I can get a good look at the mast head, sheaves etc. That
said everything is working well -- is it easier to just go up the mast
in a bosuns chair and do an inspection from there?

Advice appreciated,
Mark


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Stus-List Landfall 38 sole supports

[PME via CnC-List]

Hi,


The teak and holly sole on my LF38 rests on several ~4' long black painted 
square tubes.  I have two short (~2' long) but otherwise identical to the other 
sole supports which were given to me in a box with other components.   I have 
tried to locate where these short supports go, but I cannot find the location 
where they belong.   Can a LF38 owners enlighten me?   

Thanks.

-
Paul E.
1981 C&C Landfall 38
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL




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Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

I'll let you guys know how the lessons help..

Racing did not help, she clammed-up even worse for fear that she'd screw
something up. Even if on that particular race, everything that could be
screwed-up was already taken care of  so no one really cared.  No amount of
screwing-up was going to make our last place any worse.  :-)

Giving her the helm.. Been there done that, same result.

Talking to other wifes.. It depends,  At the club parties it runs the
gammut from enthusiastic sailor ladies to killjoys that never come out
sailing, just show up for parties..  When she runs into the lather all they
say is too hot, too cold, too windy, too sunny, too humid, etc, etc.   then
I'm loosing ground.

I'm banking on the lessons..  Truth to be told, if you're that much not
into the boating thing, just sitting around on a boat is not much more fun
than sitting around anywhere else.. Especially given the fact that on the
lake, when it's (Really) windy, it's usually not very sunny, often a bit
coldish,  so you have to look at the big picture to appreciate what's going
on.

On the plus she's fairly athletic so maybe once she told what's what by
someone else and understands better what's going on she'll get into the
workout / physical side of it and get a little rush that way...

I guess that's typical boat stuff:  one more thing to figure out...

-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, Georgia.







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Stus-List winter mast removal

[patricia barkley-higginbottom via CnC-List]

The major consideration that I have in winter mast removal is that  a keel 
stepped mast leaks water into the bilge and in Ontario cold winters leads to 
ice where I do not want it. My mast comes down and the boat is shrink wrapped. 
Yes , I could install a garboard drain I suppose but the bilge configuration on 
a Keel centerboard does not help. This on a 35-3, but when I had my 25 the mast 
was up most winters. Both boats had cradles.
On the topic of rig failures, I was present when three different 25 s had major 
rig problems. Returning from a regatta my boat was escorting another 25 whose 
motor had quit. This boat was purposely rigged with what to me was loose 
rigging, but then the owner was an ex Olympian and that is the way he liked it. 
It rolled on a wave, the mast whipped and down it came. We did a long tow home. 
Had a squall hit us, visibility 50 yds, max speed we could make, 2 knots. That 
was fun. At another regatta we crossed the finish line ahead of another 25 who 
tacked for the line only to never make it as his mast came tumbling down. The 
third instance was when a shroud tang failed but an immediate tack saved the 
mast. In both the later instances there was a history of prior collisions with 
no obvious damage.
Harold
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Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Francois:

The only other suggestion is to make something on the boat “hers”, something 
she will ultimately know better than you.  In my wife’s case, its handling 
under power.  It could be anything.  Another thing you can try is having a 
“goal”, something that can only be accomplished by the two of you as equals 
working together.  Perhaps a double-handed overnight or a race.  Its no fun 
always being the first officer with no hope of promotion.

John



On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:03 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
 wrote:

> I'll let you guys know how the lessons help.. 
> 
> Racing did not help, she clammed-up even worse for fear that she'd screw 
> something up. Even if on that particular race, everything that could be 
> screwed-up was already taken care of  so no one really cared.  No amount of 
> screwing-up was going to make our last place any worse.  :-) 
> 
> Giving her the helm.. Been there done that, same result. 
> 
> Talking to other wifes.. It depends,  At the club parties it runs the gammut 
> from enthusiastic sailor ladies to killjoys that never come out sailing, just 
> show up for parties..  When she runs into the lather all they say is too hot, 
> too cold, too windy, too sunny, too humid, etc, etc.   then  I'm loosing 
> ground.
> 
> I'm banking on the lessons..  Truth to be told, if you're that much not into 
> the boating thing, just sitting around on a boat is not much more fun than 
> sitting around anywhere else.. Especially given the fact that on the lake, 
> when it's (Really) windy, it's usually not very sunny, often a bit coldish,  
> so you have to look at the big picture to appreciate what's going on.  
> 
> On the plus she's fairly athletic so maybe once she told what's what by 
> someone else and understands better what's going on she'll get into the 
> workout / physical side of it and get a little rush that way... 
> 
> I guess that's typical boat stuff:  one more thing to figure out...
> 
> -Francois
> 1990 34+ "Take Five" 
> Lake Lanier, Georgia.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

I heard of a boat named "Ruthless".  The guy's wife's name was Ruth.

Then there was the famous race boat, "FUJIMO".  IIRC it stands for "F*#$k you 
Judy I'm moving on."

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans


I'll let you guys know how the lessons help..

Racing did not help, she clammed-up even worse for fear that she'd screw 
something up. Even if on that particular race, everything that could be 
screwed-up was already taken care of  so no one really cared.  No amount of 
screwing-up was going to make our last place any worse.  :-)

Giving her the helm.. Been there done that, same result.

Talking to other wifes.. It depends,  At the club parties it runs the gammut 
from enthusiastic sailor ladies to killjoys that never come out sailing, just 
show up for parties..  When she runs into the lather all they say is too hot, 
too cold, too windy, too sunny, too humid, etc, etc.   then  I'm loosing ground.

I'm banking on the lessons..  Truth to be told, if you're that much not into 
the boating thing, just sitting around on a boat is not much more fun than 
sitting around anywhere else.. Especially given the fact that on the lake, when 
it's (Really) windy, it's usually not very sunny, often a bit coldish,  so you 
have to look at the big picture to appreciate what's going on.

On the plus she's fairly athletic so maybe once she told what's what by someone 
else and understands better what's going on she'll get into the workout / 
physical side of it and get a little rush that way...

I guess that's typical boat stuff:  one more thing to figure out...

-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, Georgia.






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Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Don't just send your lady to sailing lessons.  Send her to a week long
ladies only sailing class.  It's a LOT different than taking lessons with a
coed group.  She will not just get sailing lessons, she will get emotional
support, counselling, share experiences with other women, etc.  Chances are
it will be a much more positive experience for her.

I've had a couple lady friends do it and they absolutely swear it's the
only way to learn sailing.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'll let you guys know how the lessons help..
>
> Racing did not help, she clammed-up even worse for fear that she'd screw
> something up. Even if on that particular race, everything that could be
> screwed-up was already taken care of  so no one really cared.  No amount of
> screwing-up was going to make our last place any worse.  :-)
>
> Giving her the helm.. Been there done that, same result.
>
> Talking to other wifes.. It depends,  At the club parties it runs the
> gammut from enthusiastic sailor ladies to killjoys that never come out
> sailing, just show up for parties..  When she runs into the lather all they
> say is too hot, too cold, too windy, too sunny, too humid, etc, etc.   then
>  I'm loosing ground.
>
> I'm banking on the lessons..  Truth to be told, if you're that much not
> into the boating thing, just sitting around on a boat is not much more fun
> than sitting around anywhere else.. Especially given the fact that on the
> lake, when it's (Really) windy, it's usually not very sunny, often a bit
> coldish,  so you have to look at the big picture to appreciate what's going
> on.
>
> On the plus she's fairly athletic so maybe once she told what's what by
> someone else and understands better what's going on she'll get into the
> workout / physical side of it and get a little rush that way...
>
> I guess that's typical boat stuff:  one more thing to figure out...
>
> -Francois
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, Georgia.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Danny

Do you know of an available Viking 33 mast?

Mike



-Original Message-
From: CnC-List on behalf of Danny Haughey via CnC-List
Sent: Mon 22/09/2014 4:48 PM
To: rjcasci...@comcast.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
 
The yard where I keep my boat requires the mast to come down for winter storage 
on the hard.  I feel it gives me the opportunity to have a look at everything 
every year.  It also makes covering her up a lot easier... DannyLolita1973 
Viking 33Westport Point, MA

-- Original Message --
From: Ron Casciato via CnC-List 
To: "'Hoyt, Mike'" , 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:41:35 -0400


 
 
Mike:
 
I agree that we haven’t talked about this one for some 
time..in my case (mast up)…….the 
cost to take it down and put it back up is 
prohibitive……….more than $500 which is not part of the 
storage agreementnot doing that every year.
 
Ron C.
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike 
via CnC-List
 Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 3:32 PM
 To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
 
This is a long time debate.  Which damages boat / mast more?  Removal and 
reinstall of mast and potential mishaps or leaving it up?  I know that one 
season on our J27 we left the mast up.  That Spring while working on the boat 
the entire cradle would vibrate every time a gust of wind hit.  I attribute 
this to a very slender and bendy spar as much as anything.
 
The big issue these days seems to be leaving a spar up with a boat on jack 
stands.  The extra windage of the mast further compromises the integrity of 
jack stands.  One local club (Dartmouth Yacht Club) will not permit a mast to 
be left up on the hard unless the boat is stored on a cradle.  Another way to 
look at it is if you wish to use jack stands the mast must come down.
 
I realize that many boat yards in the Northeast US only allow jackstands.  I 
believe this is due to yard space and not due to a jackstand being more secure 
than a cradle.  
 
So here we are back to the very old mast up vs mast down question.  At the very 
least mast down does give you a good opportunity to inspect the standing 
rigging and the mast
 
Mike
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
 Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:17 PM
 To: Ron Casciato; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
 
Same in Annapolis. Masts stay in the boat unless they are being worked on.
 
Joel
 
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Ron Casciato via CnC-List 
 wrote:
In the boatyards around Boston.almost no masts are removed for
 winter storage..most are stored with mast up and seem to do
 well
 
 In the past 14 years, I've only taken mine down for revisions or repairs to
 wind instruments..probably 3 times in that 14 year interval
 
 It will be staying up again this year.  Yes, relieve the tension on shrouds
 and backstay "a little" not flopping around
 
 Ron C.
 Impromptu
 C&C 38MKIIC.'77

 -Original Message-
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt,
 Mike via CnC-List
 Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM
 To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
 
 Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea.  Many clubs
 around here do not permit it
 
 -Original Message-
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr.
 Mark Bodnar via CnC-List
 Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
 
 
 All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the
 merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter.
 In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states
 > CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast
 > left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not
 > encountered during normal operation. Any damage  to  the  yacht,  its
 
 > cradle  or  any  associated  part will not  be  covered  under
 > warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place.
 
 I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by hand.
 Our club has a crane and a "gin pole"(?) that could be used to pull the
 mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast in place
 I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the shrouds a
 little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines).
 I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3
 yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of
 the 4 halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the launch
 crew for me)
 
 Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a
 good idea so I can get a goo

Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

I agree with Dennis, I sent my wife through the Womanship Sailing program
in 1982. She spent a week in the USVI with 7 other women. Returned with a
boat load of enthusiasm and has not lost her love for sailing. She on to
successfully campaign her J-24 all over the Southeastern USA as well as
sailed/raced our C&C 39 TM on her own numerous times both with our usual
mostly male crew and with her all women J 24 crew.

She currently holds a USCG 200 ton masters license with endorsements to
boot.

The money was well spent..

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On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Don't just send your lady to sailing lessons.  Send her to a week long
> ladies only sailing class.  It's a LOT different than taking lessons with a
> coed group.  She will not just get sailing lessons, she will get emotional
> support, counselling, share experiences with other women, etc.  Chances are
> it will be a much more positive experience for her.
>
> I've had a couple lady friends do it and they absolutely swear it's the
> only way to learn sailing.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I'll let you guys know how the lessons help..
>>
>> Racing did not help, she clammed-up even worse for fear that she'd screw
>> something up. Even if on that particular race, everything that could be
>> screwed-up was already taken care of  so no one really cared.  No amount of
>> screwing-up was going to make our last place any worse.  :-)
>>
>> Giving her the helm.. Been there done that, same result.
>>
>> Talking to other wifes.. It depends,  At the club parties it runs the
>> gammut from enthusiastic sailor ladies to killjoys that never come out
>> sailing, just show up for parties..  When she runs into the lather all they
>> say is too hot, too cold, too windy, too sunny, too humid, etc, etc.   then
>>  I'm loosing ground.
>>
>> I'm banking on the lessons..  Truth to be told, if you're that much not
>> into the boating thing, just sitting around on a boat is not much more fun
>> than sitting around anywhere else.. Especially given the fact that on the
>> lake, when it's (Really) windy, it's usually not very sunny, often a bit
>> coldish,  so you have to look at the big picture to appreciate what's going
>> on.
>>
>> On the plus she's fairly athletic so maybe once she told what's what by
>> someone else and understands better what's going on she'll get into the
>> workout / physical side of it and get a little rush that way...
>>
>> I guess that's typical boat stuff:  one more thing to figure out...
>>
>> -Francois
>> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
>> Lake Lanier, Georgia.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

What do you guys do when cruising? I often hand over the helm when we are 
heading across the Bay and then tell her where we want to go (follow the line 
on the screen.) and then take a nap or do something down below. Just ask 
her to alert you if there is something she doesn't understand. If you go off 
course somewhat, so what (in the middle of the Bay)! She should be as good as 
you in seeing obstacles and such. If the boat heels, then alter course so it 
doesn't do that so much (for a while). Pretty soon, she will tire of having to 
be so alert and give it back or she won't and then you'll have to negotiate.

For the last few years, we have made a trip to Baltimore - about 35-40 miles. I 
drive up to Kent Narrows and weave our way through the buoys and under the 
bridge. When we are in clear water, I am done. She drives to the river entrance 
and if we are lucky, all the way up to town. Last year, it was a broad reach 
turning into a close reach all the way - no tacks for 20+ miles. She drove. And 
then did most of the way back.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
  To: Jean-Francois J Rivard ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 5:29 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans


  I heard of a boat named "Ruthless".  The guy's wife's name was Ruth.

   

  Then there was the famous race boat, "FUJIMO".  IIRC it stands for "F*#$k you 
Judy I'm moving on."

   

  Martin

  Calypso

  1971 C&C 43

  Seattle




   

  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
  Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans

   

  I'll let you guys know how the lessons help.. 

  Racing did not help, she clammed-up even worse for fear that she'd screw 
something up. Even if on that particular race, everything that could be 
screwed-up was already taken care of  so no one really cared.  No amount of 
screwing-up was going to make our last place any worse.  :-) 

  Giving her the helm.. Been there done that, same result. 

  Talking to other wifes.. It depends,  At the club parties it runs the gammut 
from enthusiastic sailor ladies to killjoys that never come out sailing, just 
show up for parties..  When she runs into the lather all they say is too hot, 
too cold, too windy, too sunny, too humid, etc, etc.   then  I'm loosing ground.

  I'm banking on the lessons..  Truth to be told, if you're that much not into 
the boating thing, just sitting around on a boat is not much more fun than 
sitting around anywhere else.. Especially given the fact that on the lake, when 
it's (Really) windy, it's usually not very sunny, often a bit coldish,  so you 
have to look at the big picture to appreciate what's going on.  

  On the plus she's fairly athletic so maybe once she told what's what by 
someone else and understands better what's going on she'll get into the workout 
/ physical side of it and get a little rush that way... 

  I guess that's typical boat stuff:  one more thing to figure out...

  -Francois
  1990 34+ "Take Five" 
  Lake Lanier, Georgia.  










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Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

[Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List]

  
  

  On the first point - jack stand vs cradle --- I just had a new
  cradle built by a local fabricator -- 6 pad cradle and looks
  really strong.  Should support the boat well.
  
  As for the mast up or down Seems there is no real consensus. 
  
  My boat came with a fitted cover that did a pretty good job of
  keeping the water out over the winters - but I'm sure some found
  it's way down the mast.  
  Our club crane hauls many boats with the mast in place.
  
  Thanks for all the feedback.  I'm still waffling back and forth. 
  Guess we'll figure it out when I get close.
  
  Mark
  

There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
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  On 22/09/2014 4:32 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:


  
  
  
  
This
is a long time debate.  Which damages boat / mast more? 
Removal and reinstall of mast and potential mishaps or
leaving it up?  I know that one season on our J27 we left
the mast up.  That Spring while working on the boat the
entire cradle would vibrate every time a gust of wind hit. 
I attribute this to a very slender and bendy spar as much as
anything.
 
The
big issue these days seems to be leaving a spar up with a
boat on jack stands.  The extra windage of the mast further
compromises the integrity of jack stands.  One local club
(Dartmouth Yacht Club) will not permit a mast to be left up
on the hard unless the boat is stored on a cradle.  Another
way to look at it is if you wish to use jack stands the mast
must come down.
 
I
realize that many boat yards in the Northeast US only allow
jackstands.  I believe this is due to yard space and not due
to a jackstand being more secure than a cradle.  
 
So
here we are back to the very old mast up vs mast down
question.  At the very least mast down does give you a good
opportunity to inspect the standing rigging and the mast
 
Mike
 
From:
CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On
  Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:17 PM
To: Ron Casciato; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
 

  Same in Annapolis. Masts stay in the boat
unless they are being worked on.
  
 
  
  
Joel
  


   
  
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Ron
  Casciato via CnC-List 
  wrote:
In the boatyards around
  Boston.almost no masts are removed for
  winter storage..most are stored with mast up and
  seem to do
  well
  
  In the past 14 years, I've only taken mine down for
  revisions or repairs to
  wind instruments..probably 3 times in that 14 year
  interval
  
  It will be staying up again this year.  Yes, relieve the
  tension on shrouds
  and backstay "a little" not flopping around
  
  Ron C.
  Impromptu
  C&C 38MKIIC.'77

  

  -Original Message-
  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
  On Behalf Of Hoyt,
  Mike via CnC-List
  Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM
  To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
  
  Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good
  idea.  Many clubs
  around here do not permit it
  
  -Original Message-
  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
  On Behalf Of Dr.
  Mark Bodnar via CnC-List
  Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
  
  
  All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me
  wondering about the
  merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the
  winter.
  In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states
  > CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be

Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

Hi Mark
The BBYC crane is the best in the area for pulling a mast, makes it 
painless for mine.  Were I you I would think about pulling it to allow a 
proper inspection and maintenance - checking the rigging, the sheaves, 
and the wiring.  All can be done from the chair, but not as well.


I've left my mast in the last two years, it is a pain when the rain gets 
in but otherwise no ill effects.  I'd like to haul it this year, just 
have to figure which friends to tap for assistance...


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2014-09-22 2:46 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List wrote:


All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about 
the merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter.

In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states
CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast 
left in place as
this places stresses on the hull and rig not encountered during 
normal operation. Any
damage  to  the  yacht,  its  cradle  or  any  associated  part will  
not  be  covered  under

warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place.


I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by 
hand.  Our club has a crane and a "gin pole"(?) that could be used to 
pull the mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the 
mast in place I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up 
the shrouds a little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving 
messenger lines).
I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3 
yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 
of the 4 halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the 
launch crew for me)


Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a 
good idea so I can get a good look at the mast head, sheaves etc. That 
said everything is working well -- is it easier to just go up the mast 
in a bosuns chair and do an inspection from there?


Advice appreciated,
Mark





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Stus-List Mast Crane Replacement ideas, Pictures and comments Requested

[D Harben via CnC-List]

Hi,
   While we are chatting about annual mast pulling our club Is looking at a 
replacement for our mast crane.  

We are looking for a design example/picture that is about 15' higher then most. 
We haul out boats out on a marine railing with our cradle on it. The masts are 
pulled on dry land while the boat is on the railway. 

Descriptions, observations and pictures are appreciated!

Don Harben
sailadventures at gmail

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Stus-List Landfall 38 sole supports

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

I don't think I have any sole supports that are as short as 2 foot long nor are 
they black--mine are silver color...

Bob Boyer
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1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
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Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I do not but, there is a maybe salvage yard in Quincy ma. That might have 
something...  they are called mass marine parts.  They have quite a few mats 
and one may suffice.  They have a list of masts and the boats they came off 
listed on their website and I bet they have lots that aren't listed.

I went there once, they have a lot of gear!

Massmarineparts.com
617-719-8232

I have no affiliation with them, I just know they exist.

Danny


From my Android phone

 Original message 
From: "Hoyt, Mike"  
Date: 09/22/2014  5:34 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: Danny Haughey ,cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: RE: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? 
 
Danny

Do you know of an available Viking 33 mast?

Mike



-Original Message-
From: CnC-List on behalf of Danny Haughey via CnC-List
Sent: Mon 22/09/2014 4:48 PM
To: rjcasci...@comcast.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

The yard where I keep my boat requires the mast to come down for winter storage 
on the hard.  I feel it gives me the opportunity to have a look at everything 
every year.  It also makes covering her up a lot easier... DannyLolita1973 
Viking 33Westport Point, MA

-- Original Message --
From: Ron Casciato via CnC-List 
To: "'Hoyt, Mike'" , 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:41:35 -0400




Mike:

I agree that we haven’t talked about this one for some 
time..in my case (mast up)…….the 
cost to take it down and put it back up is 
prohibitive……….more than $500 which is not part of the 
storage agreementnot doing that every year.

Ron C.

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 3:32 PM
To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

This is a long time debate.  Which damages boat / mast more?  Removal and 
reinstall of mast and potential mishaps or leaving it up?  I know that one 
season on our J27 we left the mast up.  That Spring while working on the boat 
the entire cradle would vibrate every time a gust of wind hit.  I attribute 
this to a very slender and bendy spar as much as anything.

The big issue these days seems to be leaving a spar up with a boat on jack 
stands.  The extra windage of the mast further compromises the integrity of 
jack stands.  One local club (Dartmouth Yacht Club) will not permit a mast to 
be left up on the hard unless the boat is stored on a cradle.  Another way to 
look at it is if you wish to use jack stands the mast must come down.

I realize that many boat yards in the Northeast US only allow jackstands.  I 
believe this is due to yard space and not due to a jackstand being more secure 
than a cradle.  

So here we are back to the very old mast up vs mast down question.  At the very 
least mast down does give you a good opportunity to inspect the standing 
rigging and the mast

Mike

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:17 PM
To: Ron Casciato; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

Same in Annapolis. Masts stay in the boat unless they are being worked on.

Joel

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Ron Casciato via CnC-List 
 wrote:
In the boatyards around Boston.almost no masts are removed for
winter storage..most are stored with mast up and seem to do
well

In the past 14 years, I've only taken mine down for revisions or repairs to
wind instruments..probably 3 times in that 14 year interval

It will be staying up again this year.  Yes, relieve the tension on shrouds
and backstay "a little" not flopping around

Ron C.
Impromptu
C&C 38MKIIC.'77

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt,
Mike via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM
To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?

Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea.  Many clubs
around here do not permit it

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr.
Mark Bodnar via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?


All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the
merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter.
In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states
> CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast
> left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not
> encountered during normal operation. Any damage  to  the  yacht,  its

> cradle  or  any  associated  part will not  be  covered  under
> warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place.

I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by hand.
Our club has a crane 

Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Just has a rig come down yesterday on a Laser 28.

It was blowing like snot, tho.  The attachment below gave way, and came up
through the deck ripping an 8" hole there. They were actually able to get
the mast back on the boat and make it back to Port Dover,  amazingly.

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Abbott via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 10:10 PM
To: Martin DeYoung; cnc-list@cnc-list.com; Fred Hazzard
Subject: Stus-List sailing under jib alone

 

I am not saying it hasn't happened, but how many of you guys (and gals) have
seen a rig fail on a C&C..I have been sailing for approx. 40 years and
have witnessed rig failures but not one on a C&C.  I did see a 'chain plate'
get pulled up approx one inch threw the deck on a C&C 36 but the crew got
the rig depowered before any more damage could occurmain was up as well.

My 32 has a mast the size of a telephone pole, keel stepped, baby
stay... and I sail with a 135% all the time and will continue to sail
with the jib alone and will not feel threaten in any way shape or form about
rig failure as long as my standing rigging is sound, as it should be!

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.




On 2014/09/19 5:35 PM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List wrote:

> . applies to fractional rigs without running back stays.  It could also
apply to mast head rigs without back stays.<

 

What Fred said matches my understanding of why there may be some concern
expressed by some sailors regarding sailing with head sails only.

 

In the very old days the ship's rudders were so small and weak balancing and
steering the vessel by the location and trim of the sails was necessary.
Modern designs and construction methods allow us to compensate for an
un-balanced rig with mechanical advantage and a strong rudder.

 

During the heyday of IOR designs, including fractional rigs, many designers
and owners in search of the smallest advantage would put up a lightly built
small section mast.  I recall seeing 4 and 5 spreader rigs on 40' boats with
very small section mast extrusions.  Many of these rigs appreciated the
additional fore and aft stabilization that the mainsail gave to the mast
itself.  Many of these rigs went over the side owing to operator error.

 

For those of us sailing a well maintained non-custom (thinking Evergreen
here) C&C design with the headsail only in most conditions but certainly in
light air will not jeopardize the rig's stability.  If you find yourself in
heavy air "pounding" conditions it may be well to sight up the mast as the
boat makes a hard landing to be sure the mast "pumping" (fore and aft") is
under control.  In those extreme conditions some mainsail load may add some
dampening to the mast pumping.

 

Martin

Calypso

1971 C&C 43

Seattle


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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Fred
Hazzard via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:36 PM
To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone

 

I imagine that not sailing with jib only applies to fractional rigs without
running back stays.  It could also apply to mast head rigs with out back
stays.

 

Fred Hazzard

S/V Fury

C&C 44

Porland, Or

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List
 wrote:

All,

 

Earlier this week I went out for a lazy sail after work.  Unfurled the jib
in 10 knots of wind and decided I was too lazy to remove the main cover and
hoist the main.

 

I've read that sailing under only jib is bad because it places an uneven
load on the rigging.  Seems to me that the load is minimal in light air and
the total load is a lot less under one sail.

 

Thoughts?

 

Joel

35/3

Annapolis



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