Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN ... and again
Gail, It will be a little faster for you to google the answers to some of the tech questions like how to delete partitions with Windows 7 http://www.google.com/#hl=ensource=hpq=how+to+delete+partitions+with+Windows+7aq=faqi=oq=fp=e8aec8f715611eed and use us for the bigger picture stuff. I myself ... like a few others... would not be limiting the fix to delete partitions, reformat and reinstall.No way Jose! As some of us said... if you do just that and do have a boot sector (pretty common) or BIOS virus (less common) ... you will have completely wasted all of your labor ... because the virus/ trojan whatever will just re-infect your OS in no time flat. And if these procedures are too much for you to execute you might be better off spending $100 or whatever to have a computer repair shop do the comprehensive fix. Or as someone else said... send the computer back while you still can and start over... db Gail Miller wrote: HI again ... My son is STILL trying to reformat his HDD and delete the partitions. Can you explain how to do that? How to delete the partitions that is. He's running Windows 7. Would the Ultimate Boot Disk be a good thing or even more confusing for him now? As usual... Many thanks in advance! Gail Miller - Original Message - From: Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN That is the one I was looking for thank you Tom. (I could not remember the name of it.) The ultimate Boot disk is FREE for download. It includes all the wonderful utilities I was talking about. Download it and use it. Stewart At 07:25 PM 12/24/2009, you wrote: Yes it would. Scroll back on this thread to where I posted about the Ultimate Boot Disk. I has lots of malware fighting tools including a DOS command line. Or you can keep pissing and moaning with the it can't be done crowd. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN
I think the old BIOS is deleted from memory before the new one installs. db katan wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 01:38:36 -0800, db wrote: If you disconnect the hard drive while you do that it has no place to hide... Except in the BIOS. WHat I'm wondering is, if a BIOS virus can intercept a BIOS update and re-infect the BIOS being updated. I don't know, it seems like maybe it would require more code than would fit in the BIOS (then again, I'm not a programmer, so I don't know). -- R:\katan - SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] recovery boot device
If my machine had the symptoms this one has, I would do the works: BIOS flash turn on BIOS virus protection, Boot sector cleaning, partitions removal/ format, Free Zone Alarm firewall w. ask turned on ...all done while keeping the machine off the net. ... and the presently existing data would worry me to no end... db Tony B wrote: We're really beginning to stray here with all this talk of rare BIOS and boot sector viruses. And now a question about backups. Disk imaging is the way to go, with some level of compression to save space. Ghost, Acronis, and many freeware apps will do this. They all have basic Windows PE cds that will boot enough of an OS to reinstall the images (Windows Preinstallation Environment). Some of these are further based around BartPE (http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/). Anyway, probably the most important thing about system backups is that you keep your C (system) drive backed up daily, preferably without intervention. Make it a smaller partition than the others so you can just image it to a second physical drive. Do full monthly images also, and swap at least two backup drives so that one is off-premises at all times. What is the best generic recovery utility boot device and program these days?? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Docks and information Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
That's as good an explanation as I have heard. It makes sense. Too bad Jobs doesn't have a wife with GUI design skills to give him a boot in the butt occasionally ... a little personal democracy :) db mike wrote: Well Apple is not a democracy, which is it's greatest strength and weakness. It comes down to the single vision of one man and sometimes that will have a bad effect, luckily for Apple it usually has a very good effect, but does make change hard if weaknesses are found and Jobs doesn't see them as weaknesses. The original iPhone far out paced any competitor on the market for a couple years and now with android coming in with similiar interfaces, building on the good and getting rid of some of the weaknesses, Apple has some competition to look at. A huge factor for most people I know would be if Apple allowed multitasking, that would be huge, it's clear from windows phones and android phones it's not a battery issue, so we shall see if Apple addresses this. The iPhone has largely remained unchanged since it came out, with it's strong app base this may not matter to some or most users, time will tell. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 12:03 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Or they might just stick with their home screen like they have stuck with OSX's surprisingly limited functionality finder/dock system for such a long time ... Like Apple computers there is more to the iPhone then their Home screen. The collective good will make particular weaknesses bearable for most. But it begs the question ... why not fix the weaknesses? ... which is where this string started. db mike wrote: I found it annoying to hide the dock myself, although I found it worked just fine at the bottom. I always made it as small as I could and still see it and let it grow rather large when I wanted it. It's interesting to note about showing you information in the dock, this is one of the complaints on the iphone that you have to open an app to find out just about anything. On Androids home screen you can find out weather, the content of a new sms, an IM, stock quotes, full calender etc Almost everything can be found out from the home screen of an android phone without opening any apps...I'm anxious to see where Apple takes the iPhone OS since it's first iteration was so simple and groundbreaking. Will they [ever] overhaul it and bring more functionality to the home screen? If it was MS I'd say they are just going to copy someone who does it better...but being Apple they might look at the better on Android and scratch it and go some other direction that just ups the ante. On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 8:00 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Allen Firstenberg wrote: When I first started using OSX, I tried moving the dock around and trying different hide settings and never quite liked it. Lots of my windows put stuff on the left, and having the dock there would cover it. Setting it to auto hide would have it slow to return when I did want it. I suspect that hiding the Dock may be the reason some hate the Dock. It does not work as well when hidden. On my screen the dock is just 1/2 inch wide and holds 46 icons. I don't see any problem with giving up that space. I slide all the program windows over by that half inch and most apps remember that position. The dock is not just a program launcher, but also provides information about the state of the computer. The iCal icon even changes to show me the date. When I want to email a file I drag it into the Mail icon. To edit a file I drag it into the icon of the app I want to use, which will vary with what I'm doing. Hiding the Dock would deprive me of much functionality and slow me down. I would first have to drag a file to the edge to display the Dock, then scan for the app's icon, and then make another trip to the icon's location. With the Dock always visible I can scan for the icon at the same time as I drag the file over to the Dock. It is one seamless motion. Very fast. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org
Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN
If you disconnect the hard drive while you do that it has no place to hide... db Reid Katan wrote: Quoting Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net: For BIOS virus download from Dell their updated BIOS and load it. Have fun. I'm guessing if you've got a BIOS virus, you can still get enough control to boot off a CD, but if the virus is *already* in control, couldn't it just take over the BIOS update process and re-infect? My P-III has a setting in the BIOS to turn on BIOS virus protection. Essentially a warning that something is trying to write to the BIOS (or was that the CMOS?). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Docks and information Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
Or they might just stick with their home screen like they have stuck with OSX's surprisingly limited functionality finder/dock system for such a long time ... Like Apple computers there is more to the iPhone then their Home screen. The collective good will make particular weaknesses bearable for most. But it begs the question ... why not fix the weaknesses? ... which is where this string started. db mike wrote: I found it annoying to hide the dock myself, although I found it worked just fine at the bottom. I always made it as small as I could and still see it and let it grow rather large when I wanted it. It's interesting to note about showing you information in the dock, this is one of the complaints on the iphone that you have to open an app to find out just about anything. On Androids home screen you can find out weather, the content of a new sms, an IM, stock quotes, full calender etc Almost everything can be found out from the home screen of an android phone without opening any apps...I'm anxious to see where Apple takes the iPhone OS since it's first iteration was so simple and groundbreaking. Will they [ever] overhaul it and bring more functionality to the home screen? If it was MS I'd say they are just going to copy someone who does it better...but being Apple they might look at the better on Android and scratch it and go some other direction that just ups the ante. On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 8:00 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Allen Firstenberg wrote: When I first started using OSX, I tried moving the dock around and trying different hide settings and never quite liked it. Lots of my windows put stuff on the left, and having the dock there would cover it. Setting it to auto hide would have it slow to return when I did want it. I suspect that hiding the Dock may be the reason some hate the Dock. It does not work as well when hidden. On my screen the dock is just 1/2 inch wide and holds 46 icons. I don't see any problem with giving up that space. I slide all the program windows over by that half inch and most apps remember that position. The dock is not just a program launcher, but also provides information about the state of the computer. The iCal icon even changes to show me the date. When I want to email a file I drag it into the Mail icon. To edit a file I drag it into the icon of the app I want to use, which will vary with what I'm doing. Hiding the Dock would deprive me of much functionality and slow me down. I would first have to drag a file to the edge to display the Dock, then scan for the app's icon, and then make another trip to the icon's location. With the Dock always visible I can scan for the icon at the same time as I drag the file over to the Dock. It is one seamless motion. Very fast. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
Moi aussi! mike wrote: Votre arrogance m'étonne même parfois. On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:22 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 22, 2009, at 9:58 AM, mike wrote: What is your favorite color? What is your evidence that this is the best color? Just like I figured. You don't know much about interface design. I might as well waste my time discussing French cuisine with somebody who thinks McDonalds and Pizza Hut are super. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
Tom, Betty What are the advantages you find in putting the Dock/ Taskbar to the left? db t.piwowar wrote: On Dec 21, 2009, at 11:15 PM, Reid Katan wrote: But Tom and Betty both say the Dock *works better* (not has more functions, but is more user friendly) on the side. And IIRC, Tom intimated that no serious user would leave the Dock on the bottom. So, what up widdat. You can arm-chair theorize all you want. I went through all the same reasons why bottom is better, but what I observed in the field was different. So I tried it and the improvement was obvious. Ditto for Windows taskbar. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation list slamming ...
This list has been careful to not get into risky illegal discussion territory but it hasn't seemed to exhibit similar caution about exercising good list etiquette re: interpersonal respect.. I've seen decidedly more and more name calling , personal slights, and non value-added chatting etc on CGUYS in the last couple of years. Seems like it is resulting in fewer and fewer participants and diminished technical discussions and info. I wasn't paying attention to who was starting it / doing it... just quickly filtering those strings to the trash can ... but I got a dose of it myself in this string. I'd like to think that my critique and my questions re: Mac OS weren't because I am dumb or nasty. In any case, it'd be nice if we could all back away from that. It's a list killer for sure. If it's allowed to run its course, the only people left will be angry people slamming each other... Even the adversarial dummies in Congress know to practice etiquette of interpersonal respect in their interactions and why it's necessary to do it. Could we all get together on that? Does anyone else feel the way I do? db Reid Katan wrote: Quoting mike xha...@gmail.com: Anyone who doesn't back Tom's fascist OS view is biased. Get in line you dolts! I don't even care about OS. I'm not even asking about TaskBar. I just want to know what it is about putting the Dock on the side that works so much better. I'll never get an answer from Tom, I can see that already. Maybe when Betty gets around to it she can enlighten me (and anyone else that might wonder). BTW, notice that Jeff Wright finally got tired of Tom's shit. I haven't seen him around for a while. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS?
Gail Miller wrote: Thanks. 1) How would he get rid of a boot sector virus? Google get rid of a boot sector virus. 1) How would he turn off the wifi since it's built into the computer? Temporarily turn off the Wifi router until the OS system is loaded and secured by firewall and anti-virus . The Wifi router should be secured too. Its Admin password changed and WPA or WPA2 security used for the user's wifi access 3) Have you ever heard of a BCD virus? I don't know where he got the name but asked me to ask about it. Unfortunately, ALL files that you take from the old load to the new one will have to be 'scrubbed. Preferably with about 3 different up to date virus / trojan checkers. Trojan's and viruses that are well written which this one sounds like ... will create sleepers in some of your data files that can and surely reinstall the virus all over again at a later date. It would be really better to not transfer any data files from the old install to the new one This virus seems to take over his machine, create virtual servers, and I don't know what all else. I'm beginning to rue the day I bought the computer!! It's kind of like cancer or identity theft. Once its got its hooks into you... it's very hard to overcome. Sorry for the bad news. It's unlikely that there is an easy or quick solution to your problem. db Thanks in advance -- again! Gail - Original Message - From: Reid Katan ka...@his.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? Quoting Gail Miller gail.mil...@comcast.net: My son has a new Dell Mini10 that seems to have a fatal virus. Other than he thinks he has a virus, and he reinstalled Windows, you haven't given much to go on. If he *does* have a virus that keeps reappearing, it might be a boot sector virus that a simple format might not get rid of (someone correct me if I'm wrong). If someone on his insecure network has a virus, and he connects to it before he's got protection installed, well, then it's (probably) already too late. Have him turn off his WiFi before going through the procedure next time. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
t.piwowar wrote: On Dec 19, 2009, at 5:23 PM, db wrote: That's why I was making my sacrilegious critique of some of Apple's OS bad points that cause many people unnecessary difficulty. If the IT literate don't/ can't see the problem, it will never be fixed and the system remains unaccountable. Except you were not. At most you were arguing that you would have designed some things differently and insisting that any deviation from you desires was a defect. That just isn't so. We have a difference in opinion then... I did explain how there were perfectly valid, but different, methods that worked just fine. I even gave an example of something that really was a defect. Different methods can be equivalent. I just don't think that is so in this case. Not that the Mac Dock, Finder and Menu systems don't work. They do but in my opinion, they just don't work as well as they easily could at this point in the dev cycle. They particularly don't work as well as they should for newbies ... whose icons and menus and windows mysteriously seem to go poof ... and for people on the other extreme ... for users with many windows and projects going on simultaneously. The fact that Linux, which borrows heavily from both Mac and Win, chose not to emulate those aspects from Mac is ready testament to that in my opinion. db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Yes... it's been a pretty long string. Only the Dock icons go poof but uninitiated Mac users have trouble figuring out why the menu bar has changed suddenly on them (poof!) ... and why sometimes there are icons on the dock for windows etc and sometimes there aren't (poof!). I was wondering if there were Dock add ons that anybody knew about to help with those finder and dock issues (to make them more intuitive and all encompassing... more similar to the Windows and Linux approach) and was also wondering why those issues still existed when Apple is otherwise usually very intuitive and untroublesome. But only a few saw any sense in what I was asking / saying... I got a whole lot of Mac indignation and we're too smart for such / how stupid are you to be wanting / asking for such. Not exactly an uplifting conversation for me db Reid Katan wrote: Quoting db db...@att.net: Not that the Mac Dock, Finder and Menu systems don't work. They do but in my opinion, they just don't work as well as they easily could at this point in the dev cycle. They particularly don't work as well as they should for newbies ... whose icons and menus and windows mysteriously seem to go poof ... and for people on the other extreme ... for users with many windows and projects going on simultaneously. Maybe I missed something, but I have no idea what you're talking about icons and menus and windows mysteriously seem to go poof. When you close a program, it's Dock icon *might* disappear. That happens when you don't have a short-cut icon parked there. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Innovation by definition happens in new areas ... Given the same environment, I don't think you can significantly keep developing something indefinitely. Eventually, ingenuity and options have run their course. Quill pens were replaced by pencils and pens ... they didn't keep experimenting with new types of quills... horse and carriage by cars and trucks sulpha drugs by other antibiotics At some point a design should and does mature for good reason. It's exciting (and difficult) when the dev curve is steep but when it flattens out again, you've got a damned good item. db From their on out Reid Katan wrote: Quoting db db...@att.net: That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over their proprietaryness and look and work essentially the same. Is homogenization really a Good Thing? Doesn't leave much room for innovation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
I don't see the connection you are making between mature product cycles and government and WM. To my mind, WM is an uninspired mediocre downscaled desktop OS product from a provider with bad juju. Did it ever mature? Governments ... have been both good and bad. The good ones were probably the ones that developed to a mature level. The bad ones are when they rot sometime thereafter... when citizens stop maintaining them. ?? db mike wrote: I don't think it's a good thing, that's where you get things that are unaccountable like government or windows mobile. Take your pick of evil. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting db db...@att.net: That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over their proprietaryness and look and work essentially the same. Is homogenization really a Good Thing? Doesn't leave much room for innovation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
That's why I was making my sacrilegious critique of some of Apple's OS bad points that cause many people unnecessary difficulty. If the IT literate don't/ can't see the problem, it will never be fixed and the system remains unaccountable. With some of the name calling and righteous huffing and puffing that resulted from my OS X comments, some of you Computerguys sounded like the people defending Wall Street / the bad parts of the bailout or our continuous wars in Iraq/Afghanistan. Pointed criticism isn't a bad thing / unpatriotic it's how the accountability process begins. If things are broke... or inefficient and bothersome ... they should be fixed for the benefit of everyone and if it's just they don't bother you ... you might give people some credit for their concerns. Insisting they are wrong just makes you part of the metaphysical problem. What do you really know of other's realities? Give people some credit and empowerment sometimes for knowing something that makes no sense to you. Particularly when they are working hard and in substantial ways at it. Saying Red is Blue over and over again is a recipe for nothing good in particular... I bet most everyone has learned that lesson a few times with their significant other. If they haven't, they are no doubt living alone.. db mike wrote: My point was that part of the problem is that when things get too big they are unaccountable because they don't have to be. WM was untouched for years because nothing challanged them...the post office is run like crap because no matter what they know they will keep getting moneyunaccountable. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:01 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: I don't see the connection you are making between mature product cycles and government and WM. To my mind, WM is an uninspired mediocre downscaled desktop OS product from a provider with bad juju. Did it ever mature? Governments ... have been both good and bad. The good ones were probably the ones that developed to a mature level. The bad ones are when they rot sometime thereafter... when citizens stop maintaining them. ?? db mike wrote: I don't think it's a good thing, that's where you get things that are unaccountable like government or windows mobile. Take your pick of evil. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting db db...@att.net: That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over their proprietaryness and look and work essentially the same. Is homogenization really a Good Thing? Doesn't leave much room for innovation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
I thought you originally were in IT when you worked with mainframes? db b_s-wilk wrote: And it's not complicated for you... you have long been an IT who loves to learn this stuff. The fact that IT people think and expect everyone else to be like them is the big geek disconnect that the rest of the world wonders about and makes fun of. I'm not in IT. I'm an artist who has been using Macs and PCs since they were invented, workstations and mainframes before that. There were no classes, no IT, no certifications, no third party books, no Internet [only BBS], only friends, coworkers, user groups, some tech support, mostly from other users and pros. I've mostly worked alone or in small studios with long-distance clients. We had to help each other figure out how to do what we needed, including drawing, painting, illustrating, photo retouching, camera, layout, prepress, audio, video, networking. We learned it on our own and provided tech support for each other. When your work depends on knowing the software and hardware, you do whatever you can to learn how to use it. Thank goodness for friends and computer user groups. They've been most helpful. So has curiosity and patience, especially patience. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
People think completely differently and have patience and time for different kinds of things. I am constantly seeing hoards of people who are in the ditch with their computer as soon as anything departs from the narrow path they have for email, browsing, uploading their pics to the camera etc.. Don't know how to change their browser home page, only go back and forth or close windows when browsing as their method of control, are using their recents as an addressbook, can't conceptualize what photosharing sites are or how to use them, have no idea of what the cloud is, have no apps on their iPhone and don't know how to put them there or use their iPhone for anything else but a phone and emailer (that the Apple store set up for them). Most importantly... they are pretty much as started as they are ever going to be and never try to use the computer itself to help them figure out any issue or capability they encounter. They have 0 aptitude and interest for figuring out the interface images they see. Someone has shown them how to do this or that ... and that is pretty much where they remain. These are the people who the GUI was invented for and these people now make up the majority of computer users in the US today. These are the people who better intuitive window control and taskbars/ docks are meant for because they constantly are making their icons go poof etc. Not for the people who know how to and do subscribe and participate in a Computerguys list. Yes you and I know how to start on most any computer related issue ... But do we know what the rest of the world is about and what their limitations and needs are? Or is that our prideful ignorance and our limitation? db Reid Katan wrote: Quoting b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es: And it's not complicated for you... you have long been an IT who loves to learn this stuff. The fact that IT people think and expect everyone else to be like them is the big geek disconnect that the rest of the world wonders about and makes fun of. I'm an artist who has been using Macs and PCs since they were invented, workstations and mainframes before that. There were no classes, no IT, no certifications, no third party books, no Internet [only BBS], only friends, coworkers, user groups, some tech support, mostly from other users and pros. And I suspect it'll be increasingly harder to find people who have *no* experience with computers. So I would expect that most would have enough experience to get *started* using a computer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over their proprietaryness and look and work essentially the same. db phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: And I suspect it'll be increasingly harder to find people who have *no* experience with computers. So I would expect that most would have enough experience to get *started* using a computer. But what is the right computer OS to learn? Should school systems teach students to use Windows and associated software because that is what is preferred by most businesses? That seems to currently be the case as schools appear to be inching ever closer to being more like trade and industry learning centers than institutions where one receives a more broadly based education. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
The young will learn both and as they do proprietary designs will become meaningless and disappear like vestigial organs. The power of proprietary designs is dividing the market for market share purposes. Once they don't accomplish that mission they are just an expense to be unnecessarily maintained. Not to mention that patent advantage will have likewise disappeared. db .mike wrote: I suspect this is like anything..why can't they learn both? There are MUCH larger problems with our eduction system than which OS to learn. I'd much rather have them at a very young age begin to learn other languages, a more broadly based education in general will help them in many areas. On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:10 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: And I suspect it'll be increasingly harder to find people who have *no* experience with computers. So I would expect that most would have enough experience to get *started* using a computer. But what is the right computer OS to learn? Should school systems teach students to use Windows and associated software because that is what is preferred by most businesses? That seems to currently be the case as schools appear to be inching ever closer to being more like trade and industry learning centers than institutions where one receives a more broadly based education. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: I think most kids will learn how to use both - at home and with friends, not so important at school anymore. More important at school is learning how, why they work. For too many people, computers are magic, like cars. Therefore, when something behaves incorrectly, they have no clue. Do you know how to fix your car, the light switch in your house, how to do therapy on your knee, make your own jewelry or wall art, grow your own vegetables, raise your own chickens, file your own taxes, represent yourself in court? But everyone knows how to drive a car. Why? Because the controls ... except for Minis ... are all essentially the same design that time and need showed were more or less the most effective. As should be with the world's long running stupid shoot ourselves in the foot Win vs. Mac's are better contest. The modern world is way to specialized for everyone to be an expert of their universe ... a Renaissance Man. Specialization requires specialists ... and that makes magic for the rest of us. You just get to choose your specialty and your magic. db Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I suspect this is like anything..why can't they learn both? There are MUCH larger problems with our eduction system than which OS to learn. I'd much rather have them at a very young age begin to learn other languages, a more broadly based education in general will help them in many areas. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Yes want is involved but in a society where you are disadvantaged and uncool etc to not compute, it's not the determining factor. We can afford to pay for the oil or tire but few can afford to pay for a driver. Likewise with a computer. Few can afford secretaries but they can afford to have someone fix their computer occasionally etc. Computers became ubiquitous when their OS's became reasonably intuitive / graphic so that everyman could drive themselves. Great leaps in intuitive design automatically are rewarded. That's why I think apple ... a pretty good interface on top of truly great computers ... is shooting itself in the foot by refusing to change some faults in their design that most all professionals will acknowledge exist ... and that would cause people to absolutely flock to their products ... as they have for the iPod and iPhone. db mike wrote: Faulty logic...we all know how to drive cars because we want to go places. Not because they are all the same. By this logic everyone should know how to change the oil or a tire...but they don't. On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:46 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: I think most kids will learn how to use both - at home and with friends, not so important at school anymore. More important at school is learning how, why they work. For too many people, computers are magic, like cars. Therefore, when something behaves incorrectly, they have no clue. Do you know how to fix your car, the light switch in your house, how to do therapy on your knee, make your own jewelry or wall art, grow your own vegetables, raise your own chickens, file your own taxes, represent yourself in court? But everyone knows how to drive a car. Why? Because the controls ... except for Minis ... are all essentially the same design that time and need showed were more or less the most effective. As should be with the world's long running stupid shoot ourselves in the foot Win vs. Mac's are better contest. The modern world is way to specialized for everyone to be an expert of their universe ... a Renaissance Man. Specialization requires specialists ... and that makes magic for the rest of us. You just get to choose your specialty and your magic. db Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I suspect this is like anything..why can't they learn both? There are MUCH larger problems with our eduction system than which OS to learn. I'd much rather have them at a very young age begin to learn other languages, a more broadly based education in general will help them in many areas. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
b_s-wilk wrote: 1. Lock the infernal icons so that inexperienced users can't poof them 2. Make the dock superficially display icons for every window running whether it is maximized or not. Is your dock at the bottom of the screen? I've never poofed icons from the dock when it's on the left. I have done that in the sidebar of Finder windows, but that's easy to fix. It's just another D'Oh moment, though. It's not usually my dock... it's other's using computers I am responsible for... People are used to looking on the bottom and with Mac's it's very time consuming to mass load computers if you customize them all a lot... In the top menu, there's almost always a menu for Window which lists the open windows in a program. Yes, but that constantly requires a lot of extra mousing and clicking With many programs and windows open, it wouldn't help to have them in the Dock since the icons would be too small to see. I pretty much know where things are by relative position... windows and programs I was using for a project are adjacent ... and I use Virtual Desktop Manager to segregate them into smaller groups where the icons are bigger Only minimized windows have Dock icons, and only for the program you're using at the time. Use Exposé to see or hide all windows. Nobody but the IT educated know what Expose is... where it is ... nor how to use it. It's one of the cludges I was referring to. Obviously it was developed because Apple was aware of the problem / need but they could have done that by fixing the Finder / Dock where that function would be readily apparent. But that probably would make Apple more like windows/ linux... so with these issues we're talking about they just pridefully continue cutting off their nose to spite their face in not providing a intuitive and comprehensive fix for the people who need it... the noobs. The world won't end because of it... but now nice it would be if they could make OS X shiny and complete. db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
b_s-wilk wrote: Use Exposé to see or hide all windows. Nobody but the IT educated know what Expose is... where it is ... nor how to use it. It's one of the cludges I was referring to. Obviously it was developed because Apple was aware of the problem / need but they could have done that by fixing the Finder / Dock where that function would be readily apparent. You don't need to be IT educated to find the Help menu at the top of the screen and input simple search terms. All you need is eyes and the ability to read. You seem to be making it more complicated than it actually is. I wasn't the person who started the help issue string. Although I resent having to look things up and do work around when it shouldn't be necessary, I easily can. And it's not complicated for you... you have long been an IT who loves to learn this stuff. The fact that IT people think and expect everyone else to be like them is the big geek disconnect that the rest of the world wonders about and makes fun of. Most people I know are busy and they just want to use their machine for simple tasks: email / browsing / writing letters / keeping accounts/ handling their music / movies. They dread having to spend the time to dig out an education from a machine ... they are not good at it and they just don't do it. They are people people not IT people. That was the whole concept behind GUI... computer operation for novices. My point is where the king of GUI's is not intuitive, THAT should be fixed. It only makes common sense and utility for those who depend on it to do so. If Apple would just let go of some of the pride thing, they could more completely and justly be worthy of that pride and the respect that goes with it. Seems to me a no-brainer... Finder -- Help -- Search hide and show windows -- Show All Results... opens the Mac Help Viewer with the answers. Remember the good old days when we had manuals and tutorials? You may have to buy a manual, but Mac OS X has dozens of built-in and linked tutorials. Where? Finder -- Help -- Search tutorials -- Show All Results... Some tutorials are local and others need Internet connections. You can set up the computers so they can go to the online tutorials when users click on the articles in the Mac Help Viewer. I know where all these things are... but that's exactly my point... I and others should not have to be doing so for things that by now could easily have been made drop dead simple. We have better things to do with our limited time. db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
b_s-wilk wrote: And the newer Mac add-ons to expose the desktop, find the current window, find all the windows, switch windows, more easlily find your program executable are laboriously clumsy and cluged work-arounds that could just be solved by fixing the instruments that were originally designed to perform those functions ... the Finder, dock, and menus Automobiles used to have starting systems, shift levers, headlight dimmer, horns ... you name it ... all working differently and located all over the interior of the car with each manufacturer. But guess what?... they all work all most identically now and they are all located in the same relative place. By and large better utility won out probably because in the case of autos ... form REALLY followed function ... it was dangerous to continue otherwise... Apple would be better off in its own right if they would give a little now and then when someone else has a better design element... Find the Mac desktop: Command + H hides the open programs and reveals the desktop, or if in the Finder, Option + Command + H hides everything else. Why not just one key command? It's all these alternatives that are killing ... I'm trying to figure out the work not every version of every type of digital device I might be using to access my work. Windows show desktop on the quick launch menu ... does exactly that no matter what... it's a visible icon with a mouse over descriptor... It's superficially available to even a novice... Guess what? Not all automobiles are almost identical now! Is that a feature? Seems like one that increases the odds of getting me killed when someone else on the highway with me borrows a mini and is struggling in a sudden downpour to find the wipers? Driven a MINI lately? First time I drove in a blinding rain storm, I had to pull over to look at the manual to figure out how to turn on the windshield wipers. Had to get out the manual to figure out how to open the bonnet to find the battery, then needed the manual to reset the tire pressure control monitor. Needed the manual to display the speed on the steering wheel display instead of the huge superfluous speedometer. The many thousands of other settings are unlike in any car I've driven before, and I've driven a lot of different cars. I still love my MINI. It's so much fun! Have you ever driven a Citroën or Skoda? They're different too, not cludged or clumsy--different. I love differences... just not ones that make me more inefficient in my work, endanger me, disadvantage people etc Computer OSs are different too. How about the annoyance when switching cell phones? I switch from Nokia to Samsung to Motorola to Sony-Ericsson back to Nokia. Each has a different OS, different menus. Again ... is that considered a feature? Or a painful primitive stage in the development curve of a new technology? I understand perfectly that such can't be avoided in dev cycles and that is exactly what I am trying to say with my Finder, Dock comments: ... ... HEY everybody... don't you think the Mac needs to be improved in such and such? Hey guys, why are we stopping here? ... Some are better, some worse, depends on what you prefer, and it's the same with computers. None are perfect. You use what works for you. I'm not asking for perfect... I am asking for specific improvement that could easily be done. Goodness and excellence comes with the pursuit of perfect... Have you tried to learn a foreign language lately? Yes... and I am of the age that they don't come easily or very well any more. I do by best but that is just the way it is and increasingly will be for me. Which is exactly my point... Utilitarian tools should not discriminate against the inexperienced nor the aging... Experts don't need intuitive tools ... it's everyone else that does... db Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
I'm just talking because someone brought the subject up. Why do I bring it up? On this list I am more and more constantly filtering out WFB / MFB back and forth yadda yadda, Yes it is ... no it isn't ya duffas, slam / counterslam strings that mostly lack any technical substance and are much more about personal confrontation than any kind of substantive technical discussion. So I got particular... put down some of my exact observations and experience about OS X tech inefficiencies that get in my way and are surprisingly and noticeably unintuitive and that I would like changed. Why? Maybe eventually such discussions could have an effect. Tom for one is somewhat of a Mac authority. Nothing typically changes until the need is made apparent and I'm doing my bit to advance that process. Eventually if windows continues to get worse and Linux doesn't get more general acceptance / tie-in, I may have enough reasons to switch my personal machine to OS X and figure out work-a-rounds but for now... I just do what works most easily for me... and that's not OS X. But I do keep my ear out for Dock replacements... db b_s-wilk wrote: OS X dock is not as much help as it easily could be and as a Linux or Window taskbars are today. The Dock is a half measure of what taskbars were always intended to be in terms of function. Interesting. The only time I use the Taskbar in Windows is to see what time it is, figure out why the WiFi isn't working, and to click on Start to shut down the computer. Each OS has its strengths and weaknesses--many are in the eye of the user. There are plenty of utilities to change the way you interact with the systems. Analyzing and describing what annoys you about the system is futile. Find the utilities that make your system work better for you. Send your issues directly to the Apple/MS, post on their boards. And why complain that the Mac doesn't work the same as Windows or Linux anyway? Maybe you could use David Pogue's Missing Manuals. Got them ... but the title of that series exactly makes my point. Mac's manuals are missing ... So are the Windows manuals. I'd love to switch but just can't sacrifice Window's / Linux simplicity of function in running a gadzillion windows / projects at once... It seems that you're thinking about it too much. It's like learning a new language. Learn the language/OS and don't try to translate. It's faster and less tedious that way. You think you're having trouble getting used to Mac OS X? Try this: I had to learn Quark XPress on a tight deadline, without a manual or tutorials because a former employee left with the expensive manuals! OS X = user friendly; Quark XPress = user hostile. You can do it Dan! I'll drink to that! You too! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
No, they just didn't understand what easy / intuitive / good interface is and how to make it that. Coding is one thing, interface design is another. If you just write code... it'll ALWAYS make great sense to you... why wouldn't it? ... you wrote it ... but that doesn't mean anyone else can grok it... db mike wrote: It's like they *tried* to make it as hard as they could. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:10 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Quark XPress = user hostile. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
mike wrote: Well you said yourself you found the windows startbar more useful than the os x dock? Perhaps take this chance to tell him how to use the dock better? This is the kind of stuff he was talking about earlier, he voices some opinions and complaints etc, and he gets told to shut it and he's wrong and learn how to use it. How about some advice? Or maybe ask him specifically what the issue is... Exactly... I'd love to know if there are any dock replacements or add ons out there that: 1. Lock the infernal icons so that inexperienced users can't poof them 2. Make the dock superficially display icons for every window running whether it is maximized or not. You say he is carping about 'supposed' UI problems..but you and I both know you don't think OS X is perfect in this catagory, so why continue this myth that it is? I'm curious about that too... db On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:50 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:49 PM, db wrote: So I got particular... put down some of my exact observations and experience about OS X tech inefficiencies that get in my way and are surprisingly and noticeably unintuitive and that I would like changed. I'm particularly disappointed that this thread has continued to carp about some supposed user interface problems when it is really PEBKAC. Why the opposition to learning how to use a tool better? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Some of my OS X complaints were oriented to my personal efficiencies and preference re: Menu's and Docks/ Taskbars but my other motivation in commenting is because frequently I am responsible for lab type workstation pools (of Macs, Win and Linux machines) that highly pressured misc. non-computing professionals use and at times I train people to do things on those platforms also. So no matter what I am willing or not willing to do for myself... I still constantly struggle with people who are struggling with these OSX (and increasing Win... ) issues I mentioned. And I'm inherently aVERY lazy guy. Every mt. I climb means I then have left the time and energy for one less mt. Troublesome interface design is troublesome design ... it's affects of inefficiency / wasted time and resources constantly roll downhill on all comers over and over and over and over ad finitum. Great interface design is always rewarded ... but it's truly hard to do The only people not affected by bad interface are professionals who have either figured out the issues so long ago they have forgotten or bring to the table so much collected IT knowledge and capability that they don't even notice that non professionals / non geeks are stumped ... think the interface is from outerspace. Some of you guys know so much that you have forgotten what you didn't know when you started out ... and that's where a lot of the rest of the world is. Great design and empathy are terrific things... not only can they make the world better... they can both make you money. Ok, ... I'll get off my soap box... But I still think it's a good and worthy discussion... db tjpa wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:49 PM, db wrote: So I got particular... put down some of my exact observations and experience about OS X tech inefficiencies that get in my way and are surprisingly and noticeably unintuitive and that I would like changed. I'm particularly disappointed that this thread has continued to carp about some supposed user interface problems when it is really PEBKAC. Why the opposition to learning how to use a tool better? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
tjpa wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 3:06 PM, mike wrote: Well you said yourself you found the windows startbar more useful than the os x dock? Perhaps take this chance to tell him how to use the dock better? Someone asking a question will get an answer. Someone posting a long list of gripes will get an overall assessment. What do you mean? db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults
I live in seattle and have had Tmobile for a number of years. It used to have spotty coverage in certain areas 5 years ago but now it seems fine to me and as you say I like their phones and especially their customer service and now ESPECIALLY their rates. ($49 / mo + tax for unlimited minutes) Verizon CS was SO BAD when I was with them... and their service SO expensive. db mike wrote: I'm not sure 'proactive' has the same meaning to you as it does me. It surely doesn't have any meaning to ATT. So when you are out of range of Tmobile, you pay nothing extra and get 3g connectivity? Tmobile and ATT together have a smaller 3g footprint than Verizon or Sprint on their own. Take a look at the carriers own coverage maps..Tmobile and ATT are the worst for coverage, they aren't even in the same ballpark. Now all this is relative, when I had Tmobile I *knew* they had HORRID coverage but I liked the phone I got and I liked their customer service. I also wasn't traveling much so the incredibly bad coverage didn't matter.GSM phones can be used overseas and can be handy if you travel a lot. I'll stick to the discussion regarding coverage in the country where I live the bulk of my time. You argue in one case for a tech that can travel the world and get connectivity, but on the other hand the two worst for coverage here. So I suppose the question is, which do you care about? On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:11 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: I'm not a customer either, I wouldn't pay my cellular carrier for the privilege of mapping how bad their network is. It's not about politician or technologist, it's about being a shill or apologist. I'm neither...I'm a customer, I pay for a service. I'm glad the network I'm on doesn't have such horrid service that they needed to build such an app for their smartphones. Maybe if they put money into network improvements instead of lawyers to whine about verizon spreading the truth, their customers might be happier. The app is an excellent service. It makes a huge difference when the network provider is proactive in expanding its network to please its customers. I reported a dead zone where I need to use my phone to T-Mobile a few months ago. I returned to that location last week and I now have reception on my phone. They listened to my request and acted to improve service. The ATT app can do the same for its customers. I saw the Verizon TV ad again today, comparing networks. Then I remembered how I can roam with T-Mobile on ATT's network and other GSM networks across the country and around the world. There isn't any network that Verizon customers can use for roaming except, well, Verizon. The roaming on other networks expands ATT's coverage to pretty much the same as Verizon's in the US and more in the rest of the world. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
on where you are standing at any given moment ... Maybe you could use David Pogue's Missing Manuals. Got them ... but the title of that series exactly makes my point. Mac's manuals are missing ... and they need them (In so many ways they actually don't need manuals but in midst of all the terrific design there are elements that haven't been worked out well ... unsuccessful elements of OS X design. The Missing Manuals is a passing reference to the fact that people assume macs are just start 'em up and use 'em intuitive but actually they don't quite accomplish that in all ways ... and someone outside of Apple does the arguably best job of realizing that fact and documenting the issues. As I am trying to do now. But seem to be ruffling feathers in doing so.. (I'll never personally understand why techies can be so emotional about machines and software bits... you'd think I was criticizing someone's mother ...) Mac's OS from the outgo was always about being able to operate a computer intuitively without extended computer training. And in the beginning compared to the competition they certainly were good at that. And they remain so in many ways now. (Innately more secure, innately easier to set up, innately better constructed etc.) All things that DO save time in the long run. But I'm trying to get a lot of work done every day that I am paid to do (... although obviously not today! :) ) and the computing process is time eater. I HATE MS and everything they stand for but with my frequently heavily mult-tasked and varied work load, sadly Windows let's me accomplish more work tasks faster and as a techie I can pretty efficiently deal with Windows innefficiencies of setup, security etc.. I'd love to switch but just can't sacrifice Window's / Linux simplicity of function in running a gadzillion windows / projects at once... Yet! :) db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Go Google GO! db Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: This is what is being rumored at this point. Stewart At 12:16 AM 12/15/2009, you wrote: Is it possible that we could just buy this phone from Google online, switch the SIM chip from our current carrier and cellular plan into it and off we go. Since I have no contract in force ... it expired ... that would mean I would never need another contract ... unless I was to change carriers etc. Could this be the first break in the US cellular monopoly and eventually lead us to a cellular situation as in a lot of the rest of the world, where you buy a phone and a chip and off you go... buying more minutes as necessary? db Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
I agree it seems like Windows just doesn't want to be in the software business anymore. Increasingly whatever they come up with make things worse instead of better. Why should people stay with something they don't even recognize any more and is increasingly troublesome? db Reid Katan wrote: Quoting b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es: * What's the usefulness of the Apple menu bar that morphs with each application and leaves apps running and consuming memory and file First time I used Vista, I couldn't find menus in most of the programs. Then I hit the ALT key and the menus appeared--JUST LIKE IN *DOS*. Now THAT'S really archaic. Apple menus change because the apps have different purposes. Different menus are good. Fitting square pegs into round holes as a menu metaphor is pointless. I'm actually finding it harder to get used to Win7 than OSX. Microsoft just moved *everything*. Every time I want to do something, I have to try to remember where they put it. It's effin' annoying. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Things that work really well do so for a collection of reasons that at first glance seem subtle. (What exactly is it that make a great piece of architecture great for instance?) This would be one of them in my opinion. If you have ever tried to train someone on a Mac / be responsible for their learning curve and competency you would know why the Mac menu bar design leaves something to desired. Newbies confusion on that issue doesn't exist when the menu is couple physically and operationally to the object they are working with. Not the end of the world... just a comment about would be useful improvement in my opinion. db Reid Katan wrote: Quoting db db...@att.net: b_s-wilk wrote: The magic and unattached Apple menu make is so much more difficult to train the uninitiated ... and it causes a number of complications re: what's running?, RAM depletion and file backup. Makes more sense to have only ONE menu for each program, instead of menus for each open window. Microsoft must have come up with that Says who and what are the meaningful parameters you using when you are counting? With all 3 OS's, for meaningful purposes only one menu is being used ... and is occupying space ... at any time. With multiple windows open, you just don't have to think about/ fuss about which menu with the Win/Linux design ... no more than you have to think about or be concerned about which hand is holding the sandwich that you are eating... I don't understand what's so hard about OSX's menu bar. It's attached to the top of the screen rather than the top of the window. Big deal. At least it's in the same place all the time. And the menu items change no more than the Windows menu items. They reflect the options you have the program that has the focus. Just like Windows. Now, before you start up with the MFB stuff, I've been using Windows since 3.1 and only just got my first Mac this year. When I saw the menu bar at the top, I thought to myself Hmm. They put it up there. It's just not that confusing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
First time I used Vista, I couldn't find menus in most of the programs. Then I hit the ALT key and the menus appeared--JUST LIKE IN *DOS*. Now THAT'S really archaic. You guys are SO used to arguing the rabid PC vs Mac (Hatfield vs. McCoys?) that you automatically assume if someone criticizes one computer system then he/ she is a fan boy of the other. I was not doing that ... I was just trying to point out some design issues with Aqua that seem blatantly bad to me... that the Mac ... the better computer has some surprisingly poorly thought out, unintuitive / archaic features... Can't we have that kind of discussion? Yes VISTA/ 7 are have features which are absolutely archaic and IGNORANT!. Particularly the fact that MS has started to hide all the menus in their interfaces for the last couple of years .. something that is really bothersome and DUMB but at least you can turn off. They now seem to think the interface is a piece of art that one hangs on the wall or something... it's not ... it's a tool and tools have their controls exposed so they are easily and quickly available to do the work that is their purpose. Apple menus change because the apps have different purposes. Different menus are good. Fitting square pegs into round holes as a menu metaphor is pointless. All menus are different ... it's just that PC and Linux menus remain intuitively attached to the item they belong to ... so that no one has to give that issue any thought/ confusion or extra clicks about it. Mac menus are only attached if you understand how they work ... in other words ... you don't know what they are about intuitively. It's more efficient for workflow to leave programs open in the background to go back and forth even where windows aren't always open. I usually have five or six programs running and use them all. No need to close and reopen programs that are being used most of the time anyway, unless you don't care about wasting time--that's just bad design. My Mac has enough memory and a fast processor to handle the traffic. I would point out that the majority of computer users are not experienced pros like us and this Apple menu feature bedevils the majority of average users until the point that they become relatively experienced users. The magic and unattached Apple menu make is so much more difficult to train the uninitiated ... and it causes a number of complications re: what's running?, RAM depletion and file backup. You may be used to it, understand it completely and take it for granted but it's not a metaphor / design that the brain takes to easily / intuitively. (YES IT WAS when the alternative was DOS but it's not now). You will note that Linux ... a newer system designed by very tech savvy people .. borrows heavily from both Win and Mac but when it came to Menus and Taskbars/ Docks design they didn't go with Mac's whimsical, primitive design initially thought out around 1980 (?) ... they went with the more advanced design that leapfrogged it ... the better concept that windows used in 1995. My first computer was a Mac ... and I still work with them almost every day ... but because the Dock/Finder/menu systems slows me down so much in handling the large numbers of concurrent windows and programs that I normally juggle, my personal computer is always a win or a linux machine. Just seems stupidly quirky, sentimental and anachronistic for the great Apple design teams to stay with such outmoded design when at the same time they are doing such brilliant cutting edge work. I'm willing to bet the Apple engineers' would have long ago redesigned the Menu/Finder/Dock but Job's probably is hopelessly enamored with his baby ... as he long was known to be with the 1 button mouse. In fact, I think the OS X dock was an attempt to catch up the Mac interface design ... which was torpedoed unfortunately by the pride of keeping it substantially different at the same time. And the newer Mac add-ons to expose the desktop, find the current window, find all the windows, switch windows, more easlily find your program executable are laboriously clumsy and cluged work-arounds that could just be solved by fixing the instruments that were originally designed to perform those functions ... the Finder, dock, and menus Automobiles used to have starting systems, shift levers, headlight dimmer, horns ... you name it ... all working differently and located all over the interior of the car with each manufacturer. But guess what?... they all work all most identically now and they are all located in the same relative place. By and large better utility won out probably because in the case of autos ... form REALLY followed function ... it was dangerous to continue otherwise... Apple would be better off in its own right if they would give a little now and then when someone else has a better design element... IMHO, db
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Exactly! Well said... What's not to like about such intuitive and inclusive simplicity of function? db mike wrote: Vista/7 menus change also depending on what is going on. I don't recall menus appearing in DOS...but I never used it that much. TBO, I never knew the ALT key brought up the old style menus from win2k/xp etc in vista/7...I like the new system. I think some users are still used to older systems when you did have to worry about programs running in the background. I like knowing what is running just because, I like being able to minimize something and know it's still running, I like to be able to close something and know it's closed. That doesn't seem that much to ask. On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:37 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: * What's the usefulness of the Apple menu bar that morphs with each application and leaves apps running and consuming memory and file locking in place when you are done with the program but unknowingly only close the app window. You have to be an experienced user to avoid the complications unnecessarily and clumsily caused by the archaic menu bar design. First time I used Vista, I couldn't find menus in most of the programs. Then I hit the ALT key and the menus appeared--JUST LIKE IN *DOS*. Now THAT'S really archaic. Apple menus change because the apps have different purposes. Different menus are good. Fitting square pegs into round holes as a menu metaphor is pointless. It's more efficient for workflow to leave programs open in the background to go back and forth even where windows aren't always open. I usually have five or six programs running and use them all. No need to close and reopen programs that are being used most of the time anyway, unless you don't care about wasting time--that's just bad design. My Mac has enough memory and a fast processor to handle the traffic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Is it possible that we could just buy this phone from Google online, switch the SIM chip from our current carrier and cellular plan into it and off we go. Since I have no contract in force ... it expired ... that would mean I would never need another contract ... unless I was to change carriers etc. Could this be the first break in the US cellular monopoly and eventually lead us to a cellular situation as in a lot of the rest of the world, where you buy a phone and a chip and off you go... buying more minutes as necessary? db mike wrote: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091214/D9CIPAIO0.html *The Wall Street Journal, citing unnamed sources, reported Sunday that Google plans to sell the phone directly to consumers, instead of through a wireless carrier. Such a move would mean Google would go head-to-head with Apple's iPhone and Research in Motion's Blackberry, as well as current makers of Android phones.* This statement seems to contradict itself...in one instance it says the device will be sold to directly to consumers and then they say it will go head to head against iPhone etc...well iPhones and BB's aren't sold direct so which is it? Engadget has been reporting for weeks at least that the phone is made by HTC, no surprise. But if this phone is truly going to be sold direct, it could be a game changer. This could be finally at last the subsidized google phone we heard about years ago. The current model floating around is GSM but there are reports of a CDMA out there also. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain?
Poor server configuration? How did that play out? db tjpa wrote: On Dec 11, 2009, at 10:53 PM, db wrote: I hated Network Solutions but have never tried 1 1 that you and everyone like. Besides the potential marketing spamming, what do you not like about GoDaddy Tom? I agree about Network Solutions. I have experienced poor server configuration at GoDaddy. Bad enough to get one client's email server blacklisted. GD tech support did not want to be bothered with the problem and told my client that blacklists were run by crooks. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google free DNS Afghan regional politics
Although I completely agree with the initial analysis, and would like that the latter part could be true, that deduction is totally divorced from any possible reality in my opinion. What is it we are trying to ... hoping to correct? How does one correct Afghanistan? What does correcting Afghanistan mean?... and how do we know when we have done it? Do you mean make it like the US? One of the most socially, economically and governmentally backward nations on the planet? Force it thru the changes in years or decades that our western cultures took 800 years to accomplish? How does one do that? Anybody got a machine or mechanism that does that? It's a loose federation of feudal tribes in one of the bleakest and least nurturing landscapes in the world. And it begs the elephant in the room question ... that few in America seem to see why would we want to do it and how did we get in this position? Why have the Russians and Americans been fighting in such a bleak and unlucky place in actuality or in proxy for decades now? Why did Osama get so riled up that they attacked the WTC? Why would they pick the World Trade Center? World Trade Center ? Could it just possibly have anything to do that the area to the east has the richest remaining oil and gas deposits on the planet and Afghanistan offers the only possible pipeline route to the west from that region that is not already controlled by the Russians or the Iranians? You think it is a coincidence that Turkmenistan immediately to the north has arguably the largest natural gas reserves on the planet... worth more than all the oil in Iraq? (See: http://members.localnet.com/~jeflan/jfafghanpipe.htm ) It's a no brainer that if the citizens of the area wanted us there ... or the Russians before us... they wouldn't be attacking us and fighting us. What is it that Osama and Al Quaeda has been stating as there reasons for opposing us / attacking us? Isn't it? ...go home ... get your troops out of our lands... ? How we going to correct that ... kill them all? Make a jail out of citizens of the whole region? How would we feel if foreign troops were in our country to ensure foreign control over resources and opportunity that belong to us? We are spending 50 billion a year in Afghanistan fighting along with the lives of countless Americans and inhabitants. For what? So we can have an economic advantageous access to the oil and gas? Couldn't we much more cheaply just buy the gas and oil than spend 50 billion a year in an manipulative and force full effort that is very likely not even going to work? Seems like a no brainer no? Why aren't we doing the no brainer thing of just buying the oil and gas instead of spending 50 billion and many lives to militarily/politically control the region? Could it have anything to do with the fact that the potential resource advantage / the economic profit would go to the oil, gas and production corporations and their spreadsheet bottom line while the expense in $ and lives is born by the US taxpayer. Is it possible that inexplicable cost and profit imbalance is why the oil and gas lobby spends so much on US congressional and presidential elections? How DID we get into all of this and why are we still in it? How does one really fix / correct all this? Questions, Questions ... db is the latter part is the John Duncan Yoyo wrote: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:38 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Funny how it was credible when they were blasting Bush...but then when he does things it's bad...obama good...bush bad.. The problem is Obama got stuck with a bunch of bad Bush policy and has to figure out how to unravel the mess without leaving things for the worst. I don't think there was much of a choice in Afaganistan we broke it, we ignored it, we should put it on the path to correcting it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain?
Marcio, That's because you didn't follow our directions (my directions ?) and contact the Administrative contact listed for your domain . Although the service was contracted by Google to a subsidiary of Go Daddy, the party administering your domain is not Google and it's not GoDaddy ... it's the subsidiary That Admin contact info for your domain is clearly listed on the WhoIs lookup.. Just do the WhoIs lookup again, call or email them and your renewal will be taken care of.They simply LOVE to have your money as far in advance as they can get it so that is not your problem. (They even give reduced rates for longer renewals...) If it were me I would take control of your own domain. To do that request that you be made the admin contact for the future and that it be hosted directly by GoDaddy. db Marcio wrote: Thanks to you all. The problem is that my registration will end in February, I like to keep my blog running and, so far, I did not find a way to renew it with Goggle or GoDaddy... Help Marcio -Original Message- From: Allen Firstenberg cg...@addventure.com Sent: Nov 18, 2009 1:56 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain? On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:32 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 18, 2009, at 7:50 AM, Marcio wrote: Thanks to both of you, each one in his own way and sorry for the misunderstandings. But to this date I have this Google Blogg with a domain that is good until Feb 13 and I am not sure if the domain will be renewed automatically, if Google will send me a notice to renew, or whatever. Again, you are not registered with Google. You are registered with GoDaddy. I am unaware that Google even offers that service. Be careful not to miss your renewal date as GoDaddy will charge you a big fee to get your registration back. Google does offer the service - in partnership with GoDaddy (or at least they do with the Google Apps service - and I assume they do with their blogging service too). They do say that the registration is with GoDaddy, although people who are unfamiliar with the domain registration process may not catch that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain?
GoDaddy domain and server support hasn't been bad for me. Although I don't like GoDaddy's complex Control Panel interface, one of the things I highly value about GoDaddy is they have 24/7 all American tech support, the techs are very knowledgeable and have a good espirit de corps and really help you rather than transfer you around in typical tech hell fashion. From the start, I have opted out from the marketing emails GoDaddy will send you so I never have had the experience with them that you have complained about. I hated Network Solutions but have never tried 1 1 that you and everyone like. Besides the potential marketing spamming, what do you not like about GoDaddy Tom? db tjpa wrote: On Dec 11, 2009, at 4:59 PM, db wrote: If it were me I would take control of your own domain. To do that request that you be made the admin contact for the future and that it be hosted directly by GoDaddy. Except that you really don't want to be hosted by GoDaddy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain?
Marcio, The administrative contact officially listed in your WhoIs lookup is the ONLY entity who can do that for you ... nobody else has the records or the authority ... and I am sure they will be more than happy to take your money to extend your domain for as long as you wish.. If you want to continue with them managing your domain registration, then just pay them for the additional time . If you would rather take control yourself then tell them that and where you want to move it's domain registration to and they will gladly tell you how and help you to do that. In your case, for simplicity sake you should probably just keep it where it is but carefully note how and when to contact them in the future. db Marcio wrote: Many, many thanks... I will try this again carefully to see if I get there. You know it is the first time I have done this. I am writing papewrs in my blog and I started this with google. Will let you know what will come out of this attempt following your advice. Thanks again Marcio -Original Message- From: db db...@att.net Sent: Dec 11, 2009 7:59 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain? Marcio, That's because you didn't follow our directions (my directions ?) and contact the Administrative contact listed for your domain . Although the service was contracted by Google to a subsidiary of Go Daddy, the party administering your domain is not Google and it's not GoDaddy ... it's the subsidiary That Admin contact info for your domain is clearly listed on the WhoIs lookup.. Just do the WhoIs lookup again, call or email them and your renewal will be taken care of.They simply LOVE to have your money as far in advance as they can get it so that is not your problem. (They even give reduced rates for longer renewals...) If it were me I would take control of your own domain. To do that request that you be made the admin contact for the future and that it be hosted directly by GoDaddy. db Marcio wrote: Thanks to you all. The problem is that my registration will end in February, I like to keep my blog running and, so far, I did not find a way to renew it with Goggle or GoDaddy... Help Marcio -Original Message- From: Allen Firstenberg cg...@addventure.com Sent: Nov 18, 2009 1:56 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain? On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:32 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 18, 2009, at 7:50 AM, Marcio wrote: Thanks to both of you, each one in his own way and sorry for the misunderstandings. But to this date I have this Google Blogg with a domain that is good until Feb 13 and I am not sure if the domain will be renewed automatically, if Google will send me a notice to renew, or whatever. Again, you are not registered with Google. You are registered with GoDaddy. I am unaware that Google even offers that service. Be careful not to miss your renewal date as GoDaddy will charge you a big fee to get your registration back. Google does offer the service - in partnership with GoDaddy (or at least they do with the Google Apps service - and I assume they do with their blogging service too). They do say that the registration is with GoDaddy, although people who are unfamiliar with the domain registration process may not catch that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help!
Now try uninstalling FF and reinstall it and see if there is yet more improvement. db Ranbo wrote: I uninstalled Zone Alarm Pro (after activating the Windows firewall). So far, things are better - loading web pages and documents. FF still seems a little sluggish at times, with IE being somewhat faster. Thanks Randall On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:05 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Yes, Uninstall Zone Alarm Pro completely. I think you are going to find that was the problem. Ever so often anybody's updates can and will break things and security software has deeper hooks into your machine than any other besides the OS itself. If it solves the problem, contact ZA support and let them tell you how to fix it. You might have to go back to the previous version and don't do updates until they fix the problem. db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help!
NAT SPI router's firewall's are not so very difficult to defeat and they functionally offer 0 protection the first time someone logs a laptop on to your router. (which of course no one thinks of at the moment they are logging on...) Good Security is provided by layers of protection so that you don't have a single failure point. Unfortunately software ... like everything else in life ... screws up so now and then. So you have to deal with it / fix it. As is apparently the case with this Zone Alarm / Firefox? issue... db mike wrote: Some like to run outgoing firewalls to be...extra careful. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:05 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Ranbo wrote: I uninstalled Zone Alarm Pro (after activating the Windows firewall). So far, things are better - loading web pages and documents. FF still seems a little sluggish at times, with IE being somewhat faster. Don't you have a router which provides you with a firewall? Hardware firewalls are safer and more efficient. You only need a software firewall if you are on a local network that has untrusted computers on it (e.g. teenagers with PCs sharing your network with you). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help!
In my opinion it is a bad idea to be without a software firewall on your computer. The possibilities of a successful exploit and the cost of recovery are too great. Fly without that net if you want... but don't complain if you hit the ground hard... db db Ranbo wrote: No, don't have a router and am only user on this computer. So no need for any firewall? On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:05 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Ranbo wrote: I uninstalled Zone Alarm Pro (after activating the Windows firewall). So far, things are better - loading web pages and documents. FF still seems a little sluggish at times, with IE being somewhat faster. Don't you have a router which provides you with a firewall? Hardware firewalls are safer and more efficient. You only need a software firewall if you are on a local network that has untrusted computers on it (e.g. teenagers with PCs sharing your network with you). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
7 may wake quickly from sleep but I hear that in practical use it is even slower than Vista to boot... which because of battery life is what you will be facing regularly with a laptop. db mike wrote: Yeah this one is really odd. The ad campaign with the guy talking about running 7 on his laptop and his home computer and his kids laptop and they all share the media together without any problems is far better. This one, is just weird. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:47 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 9, 2009, at 4:35 PM, mike wrote: Sounds like more MS bad advertising ideas...make a problem that wasn't really a problem seem like it's been fixed. Some companies will say absolutely anything to get the rubes to part with their dollars. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Yes, Apple's OS is solidly more productive in almost every way except its Finder/ Dock multitasking interface. It was revolutionary in the 80's... in the 21st century it's mediocre when compared to Windows/ Linux's windows functionality/ taskbar design. Work efficiency on an Apple decreases with direct proportion to the number of windows and projects you are working on simultaneously: * What's with having to scroll or expand your directory windows most of the time you do simple drill down lookups etc and inability to specifically direct exactly where you want a new folder created? * What's the usefulness of the Apple menu bar that morphs with each application and leaves apps running and consuming memory and file locking in place when you are done with the program but unknowingly only close the app window. You have to be an experienced user to avoid the complications unnecessarily and clumsily caused by the archaic menu bar design. * What's with having to stand on one foot and pat your tummy every time you want to find out what windows you have launched and where the heck they got off to? (Metaphor: Do we have to look in the glove box of our car in order to see what speed we are traveling, how much gas we have or even to see down the road?) Window's stupidly is now going out of its way to hide things too but at least with the OS you can turn those hiding behaviors off. * What's with the taskbar icons frequently getting knocked off the taskbar and going poof? * What's with not being able to access the bottom of your windows because the taskbar thinks you are talking to it. * What's with unmounting drives by throwing them into the trash? Who is going to figure that out if they don't know it already and/ or you can't figure out how to right click on the mounted icon in order to access context menus where ejects listed? * What's with taking decades to acknowledge that one button mice are primitive in usefulness and why hide the buttons now... is there some advantage in keeping their existence hidden and known only to those who know already? * What's with adding so much cool functionality to mouse pads that no one who doesn't know already what the various number of fingers and swipes and touch locations will do can even use or touch the mouse pads without unknowingly sending the computer's interface convulsively to who knows where and why? Should we have to read the manual before sitting down to use a Mac that has a mouse pad? * What's with cludging on all the new user interface and mousing tools as work-a-rounds to these above known issues that could just be solved by fixing Apple's menu and taskbar... the dashboard tools where most all computer users look for such functionalities. The essential Windows/ Linux windowing/taskbar design is elegantly efficient in its intuitive and straight forward use and operation. If you can't beat 'em, I say join 'em. As the inventors of so much GREAT digital technology, Apple has a TON to be prideful about but I think its (Steve Job's?) pridefullness really has unnecessarily gotten in the way in the above described ways. New invention is wonderful ... stubbornly cludging add-on work-a-round fixes while hanging on to outmoded designs in areas of basic necessity is not. I work with or on Macs all the time and I'd love to switch to a Mac as my personal workstation for all the well known reasons but I refuse to significantly slow down my complex IT work day to do so... If Apple comes out with a desktop interface alternative to Aqua or even a Dock alternative, someone please let me know... db tjpa wrote: On Dec 9, 2009, at 2:25 PM, db wrote: Good Security is provided by layers of protection so that you don't have a single failure point. I'm so, so glad to be using a Mac. I actually have time to do productive work on my computer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help!
Yes, Uninstall Zone Alarm Pro completely. I think you are going to find that was the problem. Ever so often anybody's updates can and will break things and security software has deeper hooks into your machine than any other besides the OS itself. If it solves the problem, contact ZA support and let them tell you how to fix it. You might have to go back to the previous version and don't do updates until they fix the problem. db Ranbo wrote: *Thanks, I couldn't get Fire Fox to load, so downloaded a new version and it now seems to be working better (opens links, loads pages, etc.) though some pages are still pretty slow. I'll do these other steps as well. Should I uninstall some of the spyware programs and uninstall Zone Alarm Pro, including firewall (while turning on Windows firewall) to see if this improves loading speed? Randall * On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:47 AM, db db...@att.net wrote: Uninstall the whole virus package you installed, turn windows firewall back on for some protection and see if that improves things. If so, google the symptoms related to that software. Sometimes security packages go wrong... db Ellen Rains Harris wrote: Operating system? Amount of RAM? Generally, you don't need a firewall in any Win version after 2000. - Original Message - From: Ranbo ran...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 3:57 PM Subject: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help! Once again I seek the wisdom that is so generously dispensed here. My Dell desk top just doesn't seem to want to do anything right...or quickly. When I click on links nothing happens. Sites don't load or only very, very slowly, hence the constipation metaphor. IE freezes up and Fire Fox (which is what I usually use) is having the above problems. Documents also open slowly. These problems seem to have occurred or become significantly worse since I installed the upgrade for the free AVG software on Dec 1, when the previous version expired, so wonder if this has a role. I notice that it now has a spy ware software, as well as the free Zone Alarm Pro version I downloaded maybe 2 months ago (the previous free version didn't have this as I recall). I also have at least one other spyware program running, so wonder if I have too much of a good thing. My question is - I don't even know where to start to figure out what's wrong or how to fix it. Are there simple steps I should take to see if the problem(s) get better? I can't even fix the message that says Firefox is not able to show the Toolbar. Don't know if this is related, but in Firefox, don't even have the back keys highlighted or functional. Tried to reinstall Firefox but got a message and wouldn't even let me do this. One other thing - the program that is supposed to automatically begin to download pics from digital camera to PC also isn't working (and it once did). Couldn't get this fixed, either. Don't know if this might be related to other problems. Is my computer now like a very old person or car, where too many things are breaking down and it looks terminal?? Should I just start uninstalling questionable software? I'm afraid if I start tinkering, I'll make things worse. I have 1 gig of memory. Should I add more? Will this magically solve everything?! :) Thanks as always Randall * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help!
Uninstall the whole virus package you installed, turn windows firewall back on for some protection and see if that improves things. If so, google the symptoms related to that software. Sometimes security packages go wrong... db Ellen Rains Harris wrote: Operating system? Amount of RAM? Generally, you don't need a firewall in any Win version after 2000. - Original Message - From: Ranbo ran...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 3:57 PM Subject: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help! Once again I seek the wisdom that is so generously dispensed here. My Dell desk top just doesn't seem to want to do anything right...or quickly. When I click on links nothing happens. Sites don't load or only very, very slowly, hence the constipation metaphor. IE freezes up and Fire Fox (which is what I usually use) is having the above problems. Documents also open slowly. These problems seem to have occurred or become significantly worse since I installed the upgrade for the free AVG software on Dec 1, when the previous version expired, so wonder if this has a role. I notice that it now has a spy ware software, as well as the free Zone Alarm Pro version I downloaded maybe 2 months ago (the previous free version didn't have this as I recall). I also have at least one other spyware program running, so wonder if I have too much of a good thing. My question is - I don't even know where to start to figure out what's wrong or how to fix it. Are there simple steps I should take to see if the problem(s) get better? I can't even fix the message that says Firefox is not able to show the Toolbar. Don't know if this is related, but in Firefox, don't even have the back keys highlighted or functional. Tried to reinstall Firefox but got a message and wouldn't even let me do this. One other thing - the program that is supposed to automatically begin to download pics from digital camera to PC also isn't working (and it once did). Couldn't get this fixed, either. Don't know if this might be related to other problems. Is my computer now like a very old person or car, where too many things are breaking down and it looks terminal?? Should I just start uninstalling questionable software? I'm afraid if I start tinkering, I'll make things worse. I have 1 gig of memory. Should I add more? Will this magically solve everything?! :) Thanks as always Randall * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations
Very unlikely email browsing computers would be optimal for what you want. They are probably very inexpensive / minimal capabilities machines. Buy something appropriate from the Dell or Apple outlet and add your video cards etc.. I'm not the one to tell you the specs of that ... other to say that I know video editing wants high end machines. Try googling your question. Best or recommended computer specs for video editing. db Victor Subervi wrote: Hi; I need to build a machine that will enable me to edit video. I've been told I should have circa 16 gigs of RAM and two graphics cards. I also have an opportunity to pick up a desktop from a cyber cafe that's going out of business at a bargain price. The computers are only a year old. I don't know what they have and I'm not in a position to open it up just yet. My question is whether or not the motherboard of most year-old computers would probably be good enough to accommodate high-powered graphics cards. Also, all other suggestions you have would be appreciated. TIA, Victor * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?
In my opinion, the answer to your last question is ... the one that has been around forever... since the middle ages ... since the stone age ... since the dawn of time. If leaders/ bosses/ chiefs of countries, towns, corporations, companies, can lead others to make a profit for themselves, they do it. Why wouldn't they? That personal profit motive is POWERFUL and when the others don't dispute it / do the same for their own personal interests... they end up flattened increasingly and progressively. As unfair as that may be to a rational or humanistic mind, there is simply no equation for too much profit ... personal or otherwise. Remember the word peasant and all that it con notates? Who says that only could happen in the middle ages? All the media is now controlled by several mega companies. There is also huge consolidation of power in tech. Those leaders and their managers and the stock holders make oodles by doing exactly what you are complaining about. They will never suffer materially for it. The only question is what you (and the rest of us others... the peasants to be ...) are going to do about it and when. I think ultimately it comes down to the parable in every John Ford Western. When do the peasants who have the gross numbers and ultimate power, exercise it and take back what is fairly due them from the few black hats that will naturally exercise power by advantage of a gun or the merits of privileged/ advantageous position or wealth. To say what is currently happening in employment in the US doesn't make sense and is not fair is not really true. Make sense and fairness for who? The world operates rationally... you just have to start by looking at the right framework...drawing the rational conclusions ... making the rational choices and doing the rational thing. ps: Not sure rational is the right word to use ... but the problem and question facing us is still the same... db Constance Warner wrote: Hate to pour gasoline on the fire, but pretty nearly every type of job can be outsourced, shipped abroad, contracted out to a contract worker (who's actually an employee, but who doesn't get any benefits and perks), given to an illegal, or--a Washington area favorite--assigned to an unpaid or underpaid intern. For example, editorial jobs are now being outsourced to India. So if your company's newsletter or annual report sounds slightly, well, foreign, or maybe just really, really odd--that could be why. (Editing is my bag--or one of them, anyway. And, yes, I'm now looking for a job.) Of course, as a cost-cutting measure, lots of things don't get edited at all, which is why they sound as though they were written by fourth graders who need tutoring in basic language skills. The only thing about this story that's shocking to me is that it's happening to computer programmers and other computer personnel. We who are mush-brained liberal arts types just assumed that you tekkies were far ahead of us in the employability sweepstakes, and that you would always be much better paid--and much better treated--than we were. One way out: political action. In the modern world, computer services of all kinds are necessary, so you aren't completely without leverage. That means computer professionals are going to have to be very politically savvy, worldly, and socially active to get out of the trap. (BTW, in my book, political action includes labor unions.) I really wonder, though, why employers are treating programmers (and other computer professionals) so badly--it's not in their long-term best interests or their enlightened self-interest.They depend on you guys--they can't do ANYTHING without you. Besides, an editor with a grudge can't do very much damage to a company--but a computer programmer? --Constance Warner On Nov 24, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Tony B wrote: Okay, I think I see the 'new' take on it. Or, at least I see it from Wired's perspective. Around here it's got nothing to do with extra hours. It's construction jobs being lost to 'Mexicans' (anyone that speaks spanish). I've heard it from both sides though - the employers complain the local guys just won't show up on time consistently (or at all). I have no idea what sorts of extra hours these workers may put in, or if they're paid for them. But I can imagine they whine a lot less about extra work in general. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:24 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: You are right that this is not anything particularly new. That being said, it appears as though programmers and coders, as well as others in the computer field are the main domestic workers who regularly lose their jobs to foreign workers even as the companies they used to work for remain in business here in the United States. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy
Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain?
Marcio: If you do a WhoIs on your domain name you come up with the following: Registrant: Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: DRMARCIOVASCONCELLOSPINHEIRO.COM Created on: 13-Feb-09 Expires on: 13-Feb-10 Last Updated on: 13-Feb-09 Administrative Contact: Private, Registration drmarciovasconcellospinheiro@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598 Technical Contact: Private, Registration drmarciovasconcellospinheiro@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598 Domain servers in listed order: NS07.DOMAINCONTROL.COM NS08.DOMAINCONTROL.COM Registry Status: clientDeleteProhibited Registry Status: clientRenewProhibited Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited Registry Status: clientUpdateProhibited Not sure if you have contacted DomainsByProxy (Have you??) but they are obviously the middleman who is controlling your domain registration because they are listed as the Administrative Contact:. If you haven't contacted them yet ... you need to. They have control over your Domain. The phone number is listed above and their website where you can probably find an email address is: http://domainsbyproxy.com/ If in the future you don't want to have the middleman handling your domain name, you can request that DomainsByProxy transfer the administration to your name... and from there on out, you will be listed as the Admin contact and have direct administrative control. Doing that will take a procedural step or two to accomplish but would probably be a good idea. Then your domain will just be a matter between you and GoDaddy... no confusing extra cooks ... no middlemen. You can also move the domain from GoDaddy too (to some other Domain Registrar) but I wouldn't. GoDaddy is professional, inexpensive and they have all American tech support who are very capable and you don't have to deal with Indian accents etc... If you become the admin contact for your domain with GoDaddy, yust make sure you take yourself off GoDaddy's internal mailing lists (It is an option in GoDaddy's control panel) or, as Tom says, they will pester you with email re: other products and services they offer. Hope that helps... db Marcio wrote: Google say is GoDaddy, Goddy said to mr to write to Google. No answer... I am learning...What should I do to keep the blogg? Marcio -Original Message- From: tjpa t...@tjpa.com Sent: Nov 18, 2009 3:56 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain? On Nov 16, 2009, at 10:24 PM, Marcio wrote: How do I make sure to renew the domain for another year? I can´t find my way going Google. Where do I go so that they don´t take me off? This is a good lesson in making sure you know who your registrar really is. If one party hands you off to another party it can get mighty hard to determine who is responsible. Blogger says... You can buy a domain from the Settings | Publishing tab,. Just select the Custom Domain option, enter the domain name you'd like and click Check Availability. This will take you to the Google Apps domain purchase website, which will let you know if the domain is available and proceed with the registration if it is. Finally, you'll go to Google Checkout where you'll make your payment. Your domain is registered with one of our registration partners, either eNom or GoDaddy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain?
Marcio, I forgot... if you do take administrative control over your domain, you might want to exercise the option with GoDaddy to make your administrative contact info, address etc.. private... an option that you usually have to pay a few dollars extra for. It will prevent it from being displayed in WhoIs lookups. db Marcio wrote: Google say is GoDaddy, Goddy said to mr to write to Google. No answer... I am learning...What should I do to keep the blogg? Marcio -Original Message- From: tjpa t...@tjpa.com Sent: Nov 18, 2009 3:56 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain? On Nov 16, 2009, at 10:24 PM, Marcio wrote: How do I make sure to renew the domain for another year? I can´t find my way going Google. Where do I go so that they don´t take me off? This is a good lesson in making sure you know who your registrar really is. If one party hands you off to another party it can get mighty hard to determine who is responsible. Blogger says... You can buy a domain from the Settings | Publishing tab,. Just select the Custom Domain option, enter the domain name you'd like and click Check Availability. This will take you to the Google Apps domain purchase website, which will let you know if the domain is available and proceed with the registration if it is. Finally, you'll go to Google Checkout where you'll make your payment. Your domain is registered with one of our registration partners, either eNom or GoDaddy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain?
The WhoIS would still show who the registrar is (GoDaddy) ... it just wouldn't publicly divulge the Admininstrator's contact info: ... Marcio's address and telephone number. That could only be gotten from the registrar (GoDaddy) and since Marcio knows who he himself is and would be able to provide that personal information to them for ID check purposes or whatever it wouldn't be a problem for him... only a small expense to have that done. Probably a good idea considering ID theft and Domain theft and the fact that WhoIs info can be harvested en mass by bots. The Registrars already had to change/ stiffen up procedures regarding moving Domains because there were so many illicit scams involving misrepresentation of Admin Contact. Scamsters were hijacking domains and moving them to different registrars which then made the process difficult to impossible to reverse without going to court. It was used as an illicit attack vector for taking down a domain/ website or for extorting money from businesses since the out of service loss of domain/ website and going to court costs so much in terms of time and money. db tjpa wrote: On Nov 23, 2009, at 3:08 AM, db wrote: I forgot... if you do take administrative control over your domain, you might want to exercise the option with GoDaddy to make your administrative contact info, address etc.. private... an option that you usually have to pay a few dollars extra for. It will prevent it from being displayed in WhoIs lookups. But if he had then we would have had one hell of a mess trying to figure out where his domain is registered. I find that my domain registrations are not a source of spam. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dead desktop computer -- what is likely the matter?
Google is your friend see: http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS335US337aq=fsourceid=chromeie=UTF-8q=b.exe http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS335US337aq=fsourceid=chromeie=UTF-8q=b.exe db Robert Carroll wrote: Update on dead computer -- a HP desktop with Windows XP Home. Daughter bought a power supply for $20, installed it, and the computer runs. She mentioned afterwards that a downloaded iTunes video would play only very slowly. I asked her about her antivirus software -- she had none. I advised to download AVG and Malwarebytes. She did, found some viruses with AVG; Malwarebytes wouldn't install. Soon after removing viruses, computer boots only to a blank screen but with wallpaper. Safe mode shows only black screen but for safe mode in four corners. No start button. Task Manager shows many processes running including b.exe which might be a virus. Because HP, no Windows CD available. Tried boot to last good but failed -- same result. Tried everything else can think of short of the HP recovery program. The recovery program starts from C: drive and says that all applications will be deleted, OS repaired, but that data will be retained. She worries that she will loose Dreamweaver, which costs $500 but she got free when she was in a class at Eastman School of Music two years ago. (Her full backup to external HD was a year ago.) By now, she might have tried the HP recovery program, don't know. Any advise? b_s-wilk wrote: BIOS battery? Bad RAM? There's some amazing deals coming up next week and for Christmas. BLACK FRIDAY! YES!! Or she can buy $1100 worth of software with $1450 in rebates and use the difference to get a free computer. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Antivirus software
If your googling doesn't turn up any other similar incidences/ symptoms relating to viruses/ trojans etc, you might also run chkdsk (right click on the C: drive icon/ Properties/ Tools/ Error checking / Check Now/ put the checks in the two boxes and reboot... it will run during the reboot process ) ... you may have some Windows OS file corruption. If you end up doing a wipe and reinstall, read up on boot sector viruses and take the appropriate measures before reloading. db mike wrote: Try installing in safe mode, running any antispyware you might have in safe mode... If all else fails, you may just have to bite the bullet and reinstall if you think you've been compromised. On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.netwrote: mike wrote: What OS? Some viruses keep AV from installing. Try malwarebytes and see what you find. XP Pro SP3 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain?
Go Daddy Live 24/7 Sales Support (480)505-8877 http://www.godaddy.com/community/community.aspx?ci=16292 I have found their US based support to be pretty good. Or you can renew it online in GoDaddy's Domain control panel: https://www.godaddy.com/ Use your email address to login and if you don't know your password, you can reset it using your email address. Although you say you set your blog up thru Google is sounds like someone may have done that for you. If so, you may need their help again... db Marcio wrote: But I can´t get in touch with GoDaddy...or when I thought I did, they did not answer me... Marcio -Original Message- From: tjpa t...@tjpa.com Sent: Nov 18, 2009 10:32 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain? On Nov 18, 2009, at 7:50 AM, Marcio wrote: Thanks to both of you, each one in his own way and sorry for the misunderstandings. But to this date I have this Google Blogg with a domain that is good until Feb 13 and I am not sure if the domain will be renewed automatically, if Google will send me a notice to renew, or whatever. Again, you are not registered with Google. You are registered with GoDaddy. I am unaware that Google even offers that service. Be careful not to miss your renewal date as GoDaddy will charge you a big fee to get your registration back. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] CNET News.com: Gates: Apple is a 'force in doing good things' - CNET News
What do you mean? Jobs is dying or MS stock it going to tank? db tjpa wrote: On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Rev. Stewart A. Marshall wrote: During a CNBC special in which he appeared with Warren Buffett, Microsoft's Bill Gates is effusive in his praise for Steve Jobs and Apple. Something bad is about to happen. I just know it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] The Cloud stole her data...
Google Picasa Web storage is now about .02 cents / mo / GB. I wonder if Google is going to get into backup and data storage like Amazon has? Amazon charges .15 cents / mo / GB for that... db John Duncan Yoyo wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:06 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:49 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: Classmates.com isn't really the cloud it is just a smoky room. She should probably duplicate her organizing efforts on Facebook as well as using one of the online photo storage options as a backup. She keeps her backups on good old terra firma, and she has backups of all that had disappeared, at least the stuff that she had uploaded to Classmates. Classmates, Facebook etc. are sharing services not backup services. I wouldn't be surprised if the classmates images reappear soonish but I would feel more secure about things like smugmug, flickr, picassa as a backup/sharing alternative. The cloud is good as a third string backup for when the house burns down. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Spys on Customers Finds 5% Unworthy, Gives Them the Boot
MS is just plain doing a good job at killing itself period.' It can't seem to do anything else... db mike wrote: Just how big does a company need to be to be able to treat it's customers this way and get away with it? There really is nowhere else for these players to go for the same experience. Knowing MS's track record for crap DRM checks like Genuine Advantage, it's safe to say a good portion of these users are perfectly legal. MS seems to be trying hard to kill it's xbox. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:15 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Microsoft Boots 1 Million Xbox 360 Players Over Piracy Fears http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/20091401DOWJONESDJONLINE000576_FORTUNE5.htm I make no comment. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
1000 mins/ mo. That's about 1/2 hr a day on the cell phone... db tjpa wrote: On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:48 PM, db wrote: T-Mobile does not have roll over minutes so $45 is for 1000 mins /mo ... use them or lose them. 1000 minutes/month. That would require that I spend around 4 per cent of my waking hours every single day yacking on the cell phone. Heck, I'm no teenager. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] droid self-photography?
If they were accurate, some of his critical comments about the Droid were useful to me. db mike wrote: A lot of what Andy does is tongue in cheek. I've listened to him for quite some time on macbreak weekly and he is an uber geek on the order of star wars/ADD/comic book/computer gadget fan boy. I posted the review because I thought it was one of the more fair minded ones out there. He is indeed making money off the iphone, but it's hardly his entire life, I do think he should have mentioned he was writing a iphone manual in the review. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 9:27 AM, John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.comwrote: OK, that was tongue in cheek. Read the blog at http://www .goog_1257606783409 *ihnatko. goog_1257606783409*com/ http://www.ihnatko.com/ On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Did I miss something? I don't own a cell phone so I'm not real interested in that discussion, and I sure don't want to read the review, but is this some sort of new tech? How and why does a cell. phone take pictures of itself? On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:22 AM, John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.com wrote: Finally, he is clearly stupid as a rock, he completely misunderstands the Droid's ability to take photos of itself. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
Yeh... and you might like to know that since Feb, T-Mobile has an unadvertised minutes plan called Loyalty that gives customers, who have been with them for a while, UNLIMITED prime time minutes for $49. ( I used to pay $45 for 1000 mins...). They will offer you that if you are a long time customer and you ask to cancel and / or you just plain ask for it. Made me postpone switching to iPhone that would have cost me $130 / for unlimited mins. Which is why T-Mobile is doing it. And when T-mobile finally gets a good smartphone / iPhone, maybe I can upgrade and keep the inexpensive unlimited minutes too... db tjpa wrote: On Nov 7, 2009, at 11:44 AM, mike wrote: Indeed this is a given, but not always with some cell phones. In several reviews including the last moto droid one, the poor call quality of the iPhone was brought up again. This has always been the weakest part of the iPhone, it does most other things very well...calling not so good. Lots of people were telling me I was an idiot for signing up with t-Mobile because they had terrible coverage. But so far the only place I've not been able to use my cell phone is underground in the Metro. This month they started wiring the Metro so that is being fixed too. It all depends on how you use the device. I would have been an idiot if I had paid for all kinds of service that I did not need. I'm waiting for the iTablet with great anticipation. Perhaps it will make smart phones obsolete? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
T-Mobile does not have roll over minutes so $45 is for 1000 mins /mo ... use them or lose them. If you are not already a T-Mobile customer, I am not sure that you can get the new unlimited mins for $49 Loyalty plan ... but it wouldn't hurt to ask. It's by far the best minutes deal out there I think. If T-Mobile is willing to do that to keep customers in the face of the ATT iPhone surge, why wouldn't they give that to a new customer who would switch? db tjpa wrote: On Nov 7, 2009, at 5:26 PM, db wrote: Yeh... and you might like to know that since Feb, T-Mobile has an unadvertised minutes plan called Loyalty that gives customers, who have been with them for a while, UNLIMITED prime time minutes for $49. ( I used to pay $45 for 1000 mins...). That's good. I'm paying $100 for 1150 minutes. Will the 1000 minutes for $45 last me the whole year and rollover (like mine do) or do they expire more quickly? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
REALLY??? Does that mean I could get an iPhone and find someone to unlock it and put my chip in it for $49??? Uh Oh! ... Just realized ... I guess as it stands now I would have to contractually pay ATT/Apple until my 2 yr. contract ran out anyway. And I would have to buy a T-Mobile data plan too. That would be $39. $49 + $39 = $90 which is a lot better than ATT's $130 ... but the ATT contract is the killer for now. I will have to wait until Apple sells the iPhone to the other carriers. Anyone know when that will be? db John Duncan Yoyo wrote: On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:26 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Yeh... and you might like to know that since Feb, T-Mobile has an unadvertised minutes plan called Loyalty that gives customers, who have been with them for a while, UNLIMITED prime time minutes for $49. ( I used to pay $45 for 1000 mins...). They will offer you that if you are a long time customer and you ask to cancel and / or you just plain ask for it. Made me postpone switching to iPhone that would have cost me $130 / for unlimited mins. Which is why T-Mobile is doing it. And when T-mobile finally gets a good smartphone / iPhone, maybe I can upgrade and keep the inexpensive unlimited minutes too... I believe that iPhones can take a Tmobile SIM chip and work just fine. This deal is for all those early iPhone adopters who are coming off the ATT contracts soon. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
Yes... I googled around and see that people are selling 3G models ... some new in the box ... and supposedly unlocked for $300-$400. How are people unlocking them? Especially the ones that say they are new shrink wrapped in the box. db Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: No you buy a used Iphone that no longer has a contract on it. I just read an article about a an Iphone/Worldphone possibly 3rd qtr 2010. Stewart At 07:59 PM 11/7/2009, you wrote: REALLY??? Does that mean I could get an iPhone and find someone to unlock it and put my chip in it for $49??? Uh Oh! ... Just realized ... I guess as it stands now I would have to contractually pay ATT/Apple until my 2 yr. contract ran out anyway. And I would have to buy a T-Mobile data plan too. That would be $39. $49 + $39 = $90 which is a lot better than ATT's $130 ... but the ATT contract is the killer for now. I will have to wait until Apple sells the iPhone to the other carriers. Anyone know when that will be? db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
What's the difference between unlocking and jailbreak? And how could they have done that to the phones that are advertised as such but still in their boxes shrink wrapped? db mike wrote: There is software out there that unlocks and others that jailbreak. On Nov 7, 2009 7:57 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Yes... I googled around and see that people are selling 3G models ... some new in the box ... and supposedly unlocked for $300-$400. How are people unlocking them? Especially the ones that say they are new shrink wrapped in the box. db Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: No you buy a used Iphone that no longer has a contract on it. ... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
Both the unlocking and jailbreaking are done with software? What's a tilt? db mike wrote: Unlocking means you can then stick a sim in the phone from another carrier and it will take it. I had an ATT tilt that they gave me the unlock code for, put my tmobile sim in and everything worked. Jailbreaking allows you to run unofficial code on the iphone and using third party app installers like cydia you can install apps that aren't approved by the app store. Jailbreaking lets you do a little more customization to the home screen than Apple allows like putting more icons on the home screen, customizing the background etc. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:25 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: What's the difference between unlocking and jailbreak? And how could they have done that to the phones that are advertised as such but still in their boxes shrink wrapped? db mike wrote: There is software out there that unlocks and others that jailbreak. On Nov 7, 2009 7:57 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Yes... I googled around and see that people are selling 3G models ... some new in the box ... and supposedly unlocked for $300-$400. How are people unlocking them? Especially the ones that say they are new shrink wrapped in the box. db Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: No you buy a used Iphone that no longer has a contract on it. ... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] SMS on iPod Touch
what is it? DB Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I have an app that allows me to do SMS messages from my desktop. Quite handy. Stewart At 10:15 PM 11/3/2009, you wrote: What app can do SMS? I can send texts via email, but how can I receive texts on my iPod? Nobody uses email any more, according to the kiddies [except this email]. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone unlimited [was online storage]
But that's the problem... when you have access to no other phone and you are conducting business ... the minutes rack up. You can't text a client when what they want is to talk to you... Unlimited is for $130 the next step above 1300 minutes (or whatever that figure is... I can't remember) is the only cost effective iPhone plan available here. Someone said they only paid $70 for unlimited minutes... and I was curious about that. Are you suggesting to carry a PayGo phone with another number too to make outgoing calls with? That seems to defeat the purpose. db b_s-wilk wrote: In WA state, unlimited calling and a data plan for an iPhone is $130/ mo. It's only $70 / mo where you are? Cavan [and some of my friends] has an iPhone 3G with unlimited data, and 450 minutes with rollover. He texts using the data plan or WiFi rather than SMS, but has the additional text package for when it's more convenient. Cost is $39.99 voice + $30 data + $5 texts [but taxes add another $10 or so to the bill]. He has lots of rollover minutes, even though he was voted 'most talkative' in high school. He lives near DC, I'm in eastern Maryland near Delaware border [20 miles south and 5 miles east of the Mason-Dixon line]. Do you really need unlimited calling? We pay per call on our land line and mobile PAYGO and it's much cheaper than unlimited calling, even though we often make 30 minute to 1 hour phone calls, sometimes overseas. For non-local and overseas calls we use a prepaid phone card. The connection number and ID code are programmed into our phones, so it's easy to use the calling card, and very cheap. You can even use calling cards from your cell phone to make cheap overseas calls. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] online storage
In WA state, unlimited calling and a data plan for an iPhone is $130/ mo. It's only $70 / mo where you are? db That's REALLY expensive. Our Internet and landline and mobile combined are less than $70, plus my husband's PAYGO is about $50 a year. Nobody needs to pay $150 a month for one mobile account unless it's for business and it's tax deductible, or you have a lot of money to throw around. Most people I know don't. iPhone unlimited plans are $70 a month, which is bad, but if you don't have a land line and you're single with a good job like my son it's not prohibitive. Once you have a family with multiple plans, it gets too expensive just for convenience. *$150/mo is outrageous for one mobile account, so is $100/mo* So is charging for incoming calls, and 20 cents for text messages without a plan, and two year contracts... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] POP and MAPI...
IMAP keeps a copy of all your mail and folders on the server so you can access all of it from multiple machines and webmail. POP doesn't. In most cases POP moves the mail to your computer each time you get your mail. IMAP costs more therefore. But hosts like GoDaddy give you IMAP cheaper than Earthlink or ATT give you POP. db Marcio wrote: Now, here I have an important question: what is the difference between POP and MAPI... Eudora gives me this choice... Will love to know. Many thanks Marcio -Original Message- From: tjpa t...@tjpa.com Sent: Nov 1, 2009 12:13 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] online storage On Oct 31, 2009, at 3:09 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I do have email on my phone (no more smartphone) but when I do a local download at home, poof there goes those email messages, plus the attachments and such are not available. (I get important documents that way, plus info) Stop using POP! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] POP and MAPI...
Who do you think does a better job of hosting ... yet at a decent price? db tjpa wrote: On Nov 1, 2009, at 6:16 AM, db wrote: But hosts like GoDaddy give you IMAP cheaper than Earthlink or ATT give you POP. Note that hosts like GoDaddy are not well managed so find themselves on blacklists for various configuration-related infractions. I have better things to do than to spend hours on the phone trying to get them to fix their servers so emails can be reliably delivered. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] POP and MAPI...
I know... that is why I was asking for your recommendation. Who gives the best reasonable hosting service at the least price in your opinion? db Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Cost is not the only factor in selecting a Web provider. Consistency, reliability and trustworthy ness also play into the formula. Stewart At 05:09 PM 11/1/2009, you wrote: Horrors no! There are plenty of low-cost suppliers that provide good service. I'm also pissed at all the GoDaddy spam directed my way. They are now black listed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Proper permissions for OS X slave drive?
Thanks for that info... but I really want to correct the ownership and permissions for the drive before I go forward ... not just have them ignored for the moment. My intuition is that incorrect ownerships and perms on that 2ndary drive will come back to bite again in some way some time if I don't fix them now. Does anyone know what the default ownerships and perms should be for a 2ndary internal SATA drive on a Leopard MacPro? db Stephen Brownfield wrote: tjpa wrote: On Oct 27, 2009, at 6:57 PM, db wrote: I recently bought I new primary sata drive for a MacPro and loaded Leopard on it while keeping the 2ndary internal sata drive ... which included data ... intact. Now under leopard, under permissions, it still sees an unknown account which is the previous Tiger owner and it doesn't allow any writing/ deleting on the 2ndary drive. I know how to change the permissions and ownership but don't know exactly which should be listed. The new Home acct name, System, Admin, Everyone etc. Usually there is a cascading list of 2 or 3 but I can't remember what they should be. Can anyone tell me? Click on the drive's icon. Right click and select Get Info. At the bottom of that window check the box for Ignore ownership on this volume. Voila! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * The other option would be click the icon, then press command-I to Get Info. Then at the bottom of that window check the box for Ignore ownership on this volume. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Proper permissions for OS X slave drive?
Yes, I know that but I need the files to be on the 2ndary drive (that's why it is there!) and it still leaves me with a 2ndary that has the wrong permissions and ownership. I'm trying to fix the problem and not just the present symptoms. It's not complicated to do once I know what they should be. But googling the subject only brings up permission repair tools for repairing permissions on the primary drive. I don't think they would do the job if pointed at the 2ndary drive ... but I could be wrong... Under Leopard, I am not sure what the primary account, system and possibly admin should be re: ownership and perms. I am pretty sure that Everybody would normally be read only. Can someone with OS X (prefirably Leopard) do a Get Info on their 2ndary internal drive for me and tell me how the ownership and permissions are listed there? db tjpa wrote: On Oct 28, 2009, at 1:46 PM, db wrote: Thanks for that info... but I really want to correct the ownership and permissions for the drive before I go forward ... not just have them ignored for the moment. What I told you is correct. If you copy such files to someplace where these settings do matter you will find that OSX will change those settings for you. Or at least it did the last time I did this. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Beware: Mozy backup is deleting /tmp file...
on OS X Tiger systems which stops your printing and gives fits to programs like Photoshop etc. db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Proper permissions for OS X slave drive?
I recently bought I new primary sata drive for a MacPro and loaded Leopard on it while keeping the 2ndary internal sata drive ... which included data ... intact. Now under leopard, under permissions, it still sees an unknown account which is the previous Tiger owner and it doesn't allow any writing/ deleting on the 2ndary drive. I know how to change the permissions and ownership but don't know exactly which should be listed. The new Home acct name, System, Admin, Everyone etc. Usually there is a cascading list of 2 or 3 but I can't remember what they should be. Can anyone tell me? db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] The fun never ends...
There is no end to the fixing you have set yourself up for Marcio. Computers aren't simple things like bicycles that just anyone can tinker with / cadge together willy nilly. Your training is in a whole different realm and you will never get to the bottom of this mess machine you have concocted. Don't you have a shrink you can consult about your harmful repeated self-inflicted tech issue? (I'm saying this with humor and good will but I am serious at the same time...) db Marcio wrote: Hi folks Hope I am not tiring you...To be short, my computer (ASUS P4S800D-X), WIndows XP Pro, 3 Giga memory... You all know, I had troubles with it. At one point it would not boot. Went to the shop. They kept if for many days then said that the problem was that my Pentium 4 was heating too much. I found another Pentium 4. Exchanged it. They bought the computer back, working... Had to start all programs and all...(what a pain). Now...if I leave it on (I am not sure for how long before this happens, perhaps hours) when I come back the green light and the HD red light are ON, not moving. The monitor is receiving some sign because it is green...but the screen is black. Nothing I can do to makes it work... I have to put it off... If I re-start right way... it will go to a black screen and will not start. It seems that I have to wait, 15 minutes, 30 minutos (to cool off?) for it to start. It then starts OK, no problem... Where is the problem? Mobo, CPU, Memory?... The fun never ends... Back to the shop?... Thanks in advance. Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] best system test utility for OS X computer?
There are hundreds of log files and none of them are short. Do you have any idea which log files would be best for the symptoms I described? * Across the board printing failure (memory error reported) * Adobe Photoshop / Bridge painfully slow to launch and requesting re-install but Lightroom launches easily * Word painfully slow to launch. * Disk Warrior won't launch at all from the HD. db tjpa wrote: On Oct 21, 2009, at 5:37 PM, db wrote: Can anyone recommend the best system test utility can I use to check these issues before I invest the reload labor? Check the log files? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Neat Receipts portable scanner for road warriors?
Can anyone recommend a portable scanner w. software package for scanning biz cards, trip receipts and OCR'ing the text while on the road? Neat Receipts is one... has anyone used one? db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] ATT VOIP decision...
So what's the deal with ATT's decision to allow cellular VOIP? It's a great thing... should allow minimal cell minutes usage, cheap long distance and reverse the recent decision re: Google Voice on the iPhone. Anybody know the back story on why ATT did that? It seems counter-intuitive to American Telco's normal policies and pricing. And I hope they have the bandwidth to support what cometh db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ATT VOIP decision...
Fred Holmes wrote: Any likelihood that it was consumer backlash? Fred Holmes Hah! When has that ever happened? Precious seldom me thinks. Corps have personage without liability. People have personage with liability... Normally, corps more or less do what they want and we take what we get. That's why ATT's decision stands out so... Make me really curious to know what their motivation was db At 03:33 PM 10/8/2009, db wrote: So what's the deal with ATT's decision to allow cellular VOIP? It's a great thing... should allow minimal cell minutes usage, cheap long distance and reverse the recent decision re: Google Voice on the iPhone. Anybody know the back story on why ATT did that? It seems counter-intuitive to American Telco's normal policies and pricing. And I hope they have the bandwidth to support what cometh db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Recommendations on Wifi N router?
What is a single stream N router ... anybody know? A single antennae? db Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I just bought a refurbed Netgear from Newewgg, 39. Works great. Stewart At 12:45 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote: Was thinking of getting an inexpensive N wifi router for use with PCs. for use in an apt. Was looking at D-Link, Rosewill and Trendnet on NewEgg in the $25 to $35 range. Anybody have any particular recommendations? db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Recommendations on Wifi N router?
Doesn't sound like a good feature. That's confusing , I thought N protocol essentially got its higher throughput via MIMO in the first place ... How can you tell from the specs whether an N router is single stream or not? db John Settle wrote: db wrote: What is a single stream N router ... anybody know? A single antennae? db * One that does not have MIMO Technology to handle multiple inputs and outputs simultaneously. IE: More than one PC on the network at the same time. JJS * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] CD just erased by itself!
Theoretically the CD/DVD markers have a chemical composition which is more safe in the long term for putting on plastic. db One Man wrote: Is it really true that one should only write on a cd with a marker labeled CD/DVD marker? The Sharpie I bought for that purpose doesn't really seem any different than regular Fine and Ultra Fine Sharpies -- just more expensive! :) --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Terry Kilburg kilb...@iowatelecom.net wrote: From: Terry Kilburg kilb...@iowatelecom.net Subject: [CGUYS] CD just erased by itself! To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 11:24 AM I had a data cd that i saved a few documents, emails on and my email addys and favorites for about 2 yrs. Now when i load the cd, it's blank! I have the things on the 'puter so i can put 'em back on. I have an LCD monitor and i put the cd back in the case and set it a few inches away...is the a small magnetic force that eventually wipes the cd? I save them to the cd...would it be better if I burned them on instead or it doesn't matter? Terry Kilburg * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Recommendations on Wifi N router?
Actually I had already read that... it's what came up when I googled the issue. But, other than the particular single stream models the article mentions, it still doesn't make it clear how to tell what's a single stream router when you are ordering from NewEgg or wherever... If the specs say the words Draft N compliant specifically does that mean it's MIMO N ? In the cheaper models I am looking at I am afraid I'll get single stream... I guess if it has two or three antennae I guess that would mean it is not single steam N ? Funny how many of the N's don't have a print or drive USB port also... db Tom Piwowar wrote: On Oct 5, 2009, at 2:00 PM, db wrote: How can you tell from the specs whether an N router is single stream or not? Yes, it is very confusing. Single-stream means it is not MIMO. N is supposed to require MIMO, but vendors got exceptions written into the standard. I have read that single-stream devices may not always interoperate with other N devices. A real mess. When you have a lot of spare time, read this:http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30620/100/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Recommendations on Wifi N router?
Was thinking of getting an inexpensive N wifi router for use with PCs. for use in an apt. Was looking at D-Link, Rosewill and Trendnet on NewEgg in the $25 to $35 range. Anybody have any particular recommendations? db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
Thanks Betty ... I agree with you about small size being important for road warrioring. And I think the small powerful ones have to weigh more ... because they have more guts... I am interested to know the how's and why's of your going with an iPod Touch and a separate phone. How come you don't just combine the two and go with an iPhone? db b_s-wilk wrote: What UMPC's do you recommend Betty? dan Since I can't fit one into my budget--just into a pocket--I can make a wishlist. I like the Panasonic Toughbook U1 for size, but it's heavy. Something like that would be nice, but needs to be lighter. Itronix GoBook® MR-1 is better, but not much lighter. The entire UMPC/Netbook genre is blurring with mobile phones, except for the rugged ones above. Compare Nokia 900, UMID mbook M1, Viliv, iPhone. For now, I'm buying a Nokia N79 mobile phone, and considering a new iPod Touch, maybe. The only thing I'm missing is printing, and I can do that via BlueTooth or WiFi from a phone if there's an app for it. Anything bigger than a 6-7 display is too big for traveling light [I use a carry-on bag for trips, 1 day to 2 months or more]. I may as well just carry my Macbook instead of a bigger Netbook. What's the point of a 10-inch 'netbook' when my notebooks are 12 and 13 inches! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
the Touch's screen keyboard seems a big liability to me. I have big fingers and find the iPhone's keyboard laborious when I have used one. Does the Touch have a microphone? If so the voice to text apps that are popping up could suffice perhaps... db mike wrote: I was going to add, I think UMPC's have been overrun in the public market by either netbooks or the iPod touch. I only see UMPC's in the workplace replacing what would have gone to touchscreen notebooks. I'd examine what you need this for and then see if the iPod touch can suit your needs. Ultimate portability and still a fine device for doing web work/email etc. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:14 AM, db db...@att.net wrote: Thanks Betty ... I agree with you about small size being important for road warrioring. And I think the small powerful ones have to weigh more ... because they have more guts... I am interested to know the how's and why's of your going with an iPod Touch and a separate phone. How come you don't just combine the two and go with an iPhone? db b_s-wilk wrote: What UMPC's do you recommend Betty? dan Since I can't fit one into my budget--just into a pocket--I can make a wishlist. I like the Panasonic Toughbook U1 for size, but it's heavy. Something like that would be nice, but needs to be lighter. Itronix GoBook® MR-1 is better, but not much lighter. The entire UMPC/Netbook genre is blurring with mobile phones, except for the rugged ones above. Compare Nokia 900, UMID mbook M1, Viliv, iPhone. For now, I'm buying a Nokia N79 mobile phone, and considering a new iPod Touch, maybe. The only thing I'm missing is printing, and I can do that via BlueTooth or WiFi from a phone if there's an app for it. Anything bigger than a 6-7 display is too big for traveling light [I use a carry-on bag for trips, 1 day to 2 months or more]. I may as well just carry my Macbook instead of a bigger Netbook. What's the point of a 10-inch 'netbook' when my notebooks are 12 and 13 inches! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Netbooks vs. Notebooks
What UMPC's do you recommend Betty? dan b_s-wilk wrote: What do you really want/need? An ultra-mobile PC or a small notebook? *That's a very good question and not really sure of the difference. Think a small notebook though. * * The original small hand-held PCs with 4 to 7 inch displays that came out at some 3 or 4 years ago were mostly called ultra-mobile PCs, but in Europe people told me they were netbooks. The UMPCs were great for travel, had WiFi, cellular and regular modems, USB for devices and printing, and could easily fit into a large pocket or small shoulder bag. You probably didn't see [m]any unless you spent a lot of time in airports and foreign cafes, pensions, hostales, albergos, studios, hostels, tabernas, mountains, deserts... However, when the unrelated 8 to 11 inch PCs were released in the ['bigger is better'] US, they were also called netbooks, even though they're almost twice the size as the UMPCs and had fewer features. The larger netbooks are OK, but are often less useful than the smaller ones although are easier for touch typing. UMPCs cost 2 to 5 times as much as a netbook, and are not likely to break when dropped. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple pushes unwanted enterprise tool to Windows users
How and why did they do that? db Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: Actually, on PC's that update request (or automatic) is a function of how one installed the Apple app in the first place. (It became VERY evident to those using Palm Pre's when Apple decided to update software to render Palm's connectivity impossible.) Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of b_s-wilk Sent: 09/29/2009 10:37 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Apple pushes unwanted enterprise tool to Windows users Yet again. If this were MS pulling this stunt, they would certainly be pilloried. And probably sued by the EU. Where's the outrage here? I'm outraged that some Windows programs update without informing users! And our HP notebook came with dozens of undocumented programs installed, not even a list of software in a ReadMe file. Apple doesn't do that. Any program that's listed in Apple Software Update is a *suggestion* which you can install or ignore. I usually install 1/2 of their suggestions and delete the rest. Third parties also recommend software that I might want to install too--or not. Must be a really slow day at Ars Technica to bother with such a nonissue. The editor who came up with the headline should be slapped with a handful of wet spaghetti. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] old Back UPS use
Yes... if it works it is the best surge protector. Their batteries go bad after a while but they can be replaced online for about $15 or so. Usually they have a self battery test... db Stephen Brownfield wrote: Can I use an old Back UPS as a surge protector? Thanks Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Fossil
Marcio, You can still buy Palm's last PDA the TX. I have used it for four years and like it a lot. It has all the usual PDA functions plus, video and pics viewer, an SD expansion slot and wifi for email and a basic web browser and can dial or SMS via from Contacts via bluetooth and a bluetooth enabled cellphone. It's no iPhone but does cut and paste and Office docs and has a wonderful folding keyboard accessory available ($50) all of which iPhone doesn't. And no monthly cellular bill and contract. I have traveled overseas with it and the keyboard in my pocket emailing all the way... Or you might just bite the bullet and start over with an iPhone or such... The Palm Pre might be a good solution... It has a large screen, thumbkeyboard and it can run classic Palm apps via a 3rd party emulator. Hopefully it would help you port your Palm data to its apps... db Marcio wrote: I definitelly am becoming a fossil. I am in Baltimore. I came with my Casio Electronic Agenda and even better my Palm 500 electronic agenda with charger and all. Looked for upgrades for these gadgets. Guess what... they don't make them any longer... can't find them anywhere... Now, how do I move around from now on with the data I have in these gadgets?... Addresses, passwords, username and all of that? Lost! Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
Jeff, We took our risks and lost... the wreckage is fairly visible all around us and will become more soberingly evident with time. If you think Asia is sleeping while we dither about our problems, you are naive. Last I heard their growth rate is currently 8% while ours is negative. The space exploration you are talking about is going to be done but as it seems now... not by us... probably by the Chinese because they have the money and income to pay for it and make that very long term exploratory investment. Unless we fix our economic engine... so it provides real and substantial income for the nation as a whole... we won't and shouldn't be allowing any sectors to have essentially their carte blanche way with substantial parts of our budget for purposes of their self betterment at our expense and indebtedness. Not the military, not the insurance companies and not the space program. If we continue to allow those massive drains on our system without getting our economic house in order first, America won't be leading anything in the 21st century except its entry onto the rolls of history of failed world powers. Why and how do you think past failed world powers relinquished their power and wealth? They didn't decide to give up ... they just were stuck with outmoded images and expectations of themselves and so made poor, foolish out-of-touch decisions and investments exactly when competing upcoming powers were making practical and empowering ones. So they got beat and replaced by those who focused and took hold of the basic implements of power. The space program is not a basic implement of power... it's a wonderful symptom and benefit of power and wealth ... if you've got it. We presently don't. When home owning, basic health insurance and our national security are all being severely tested and at major risk, it's not the time to be committing a major part of our bankrupt national budget (money we don't have) to outer space. Unless you happen to be in the space industry and of course would like money from us... Or unless you want to give Asia another implement to sink us with... Money we borrow from them is money they will use to control our future for their benefit. Get real! My 3 bits... db Jeff Miles wrote: I find it so disappointing hot short sighted logic and well meaning people can be. DB, I'm going to pull a Star Trek reverence on you, but you're a Vulcan. It's going to take you thousands of years to figure out you need or even how to wipe your butt. To dangerous and doesn't figure in with the science. Doing great things requires great risk. I'm guessing you didn't really pay much attention in history class. I guess it really comes to where you want your kids an future relatives to be. Should they stay on a slow but basic stagnic course to future extingsion? I'm ignoring spelling. Or should they strive for more? Damn the logic and get human and go for it. If you're human, it makes you who you are. Now to the question of who pays for it. We all pay for it in the end. And we all benefit in the end. Of course this depends on you definition of benefiting. Would you rather be chipping spear heads? Growing up means realizing everything comes with a cost. Should we outlaw the internet today? It has cost so may people so much. On Sep 14, 2009, at 6:11 PM, db wrote: Yeh ... let private industry develop this new manned space flight. And why won't they just do that on their own if it is such a great deal? Because these private corps and their stockholders want the rest of us ... the taxpayers without bankruptcy protection who are just trying to hang on to our mortgages/ pay for medical care etc ... to pay all the setup costs so then they can't make a profit. Such a deal! Just like the ones military industrial complex and medical insurance industry rams down our throats. Come back from outer space. We've got to get back to basics in this country and postpone some of the things we want to do ... have been used to doing ... until we have our house in order. This country has itself mortgaged to the hilt ... is totally dependent on foreign competing nations for the security of it's economy and it still has an ANOTHER unseen mortgage of international trade being conducted in US dollars that is likely to come due if we don't get real and start living by our means. It's to our advantage that trade is in dollars and increasingly with our economic slide to other nations disadvantage. If we don't get our finances on solid footing again, the money making countries will be adopting a different currency of exchange and our system will take another HUGE dive once no one wants dollars anymore. We in the US need to turn our attention from outer space to inner space for a while or suffer the consequences me thinks... Go to Mars when we've got affairs on Earth on solid footing again... db
[CGUYS] Secure password DB app sync-able for 2 iPhones?
Can anyone recommend a good secure password and personal info DB that is sync-able with two (husband and wife) OSX laptops and two (husband and wife) iPhones? If all that is not possible then, one laptop and two iPhones would be acceptable... Splash ID is only sync-able with one computer and one iPhone Recommendations for any other killer iPhone apps would also be appreciated... db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Best voice to text iPhone app.?
I would appreciate recommendations for an iPhone app. where the text could perhaps be used in a note, email or SMS perhaps? Who are the contenders and are they ready for prime time? thanks in advance, db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
Yeh ... let private industry develop this new manned space flight. And why won't they just do that on their own if it is such a great deal? Because these private corps and their stockholders want the rest of us ... the taxpayers without bankruptcy protection who are just trying to hang on to our mortgages/ pay for medical care etc ... to pay all the setup costs so then they can't make a profit. Such a deal! Just like the ones military industrial complex and medical insurance industry rams down our throats. Come back from outer space. We've got to get back to basics in this country and postpone some of the things we want to do ... have been used to doing ... until we have our house in order. This country has itself mortgaged to the hilt ... is totally dependent on foreign competing nations for the security of it's economy and it still has an ANOTHER unseen mortgage of international trade being conducted in US dollars that is likely to come due if we don't get real and start living by our means. It's to our advantage that trade is in dollars and increasingly with our economic slide to other nations disadvantage. If we don't get our finances on solid footing again, the money making countries will be adopting a different currency of exchange and our system will take another HUGE dive once no one wants dollars anymore. We in the US need to turn our attention from outer space to inner space for a while or suffer the consequences me thinks... Go to Mars when we've got affairs on Earth on solid footing again... db This BS system of corps using us b_s-wilk wrote: Energy is only as free as the technology to capture and distribute it. The advantages in manufacturing are cancelled out by the costs. Are the corporations that want to use microgravity for production going to absorb all the risks? Or is this yet another example of socializing risk with federal investment in RD and privatizing the profits? Uh oh. That gets us back to what's wrong with health insurance legislation. Robots are as smart as the scientists who design them. Robots have done well for us so far. Patience with the slow rate of advances for human space travel will make travel safer and more productive in the long run. Research now--travel later. I have a ticket for travel to Mars that I got years ago at Cape Canaveral. I'll send it to you if I can find it. Ready for a trip to Mars? Imagine riding a bicycle on Mars! [The ticket for a flight to the moon expired 10 years ago.] Microgravity offers real advanages in alloy and semiconductor maufacturing, also pharmaceuticals. We now know how to construct large structures in orbit and maintain a long term presence in space. Energy is unlimited and free. Four nations/national consortia can boost cargo into orbit and to the station assuming JAXA's HTV is successful. I see the potential as enormous. But we have to be there to realize it. The ISS is a good start. If we look at it as a platform for the assembly of space-only ships, and as a fuel transfer point, we could explore the L4 and L5 Lagrangian points. The moon is probably not a good idea if we can't prove the presence of water. Robots aren't smart enough to do it all, and if we look at this new frontier as a government monopoly we are shortchanging ourselves. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the moon
That's if the country had the money or income stream to pay for manned spaceflight. We're the world's biggest debtor nation of all time, our creditors are nervous as cats on a hot time roof since the crash ... not liking what they now see nor the amount of our debt they are carrying and we don't even know how we can put the genie back in the bottle and get the balance of trade revenue ... that made us the 20th century's richest nation ... positive again. Asia has gotten to the development point that they can now drive their growth and dominance simply by investing in themselves / Asia and manufacture for the rest of the world secondarily. They are now the world's biggest market and they now have the tools and capital to drive their own economies. There's never a shortage of good things to do that people and nations can't afford. In the 21st century, if we don't focus as a nation on using what we have to get ourselves back in the world economic / power game, we risk becoming a 3rd rate power who won't have the resources for Moon shots etc anyway. If we continue in this oblivious direction, there is shortly coming a point as a nation the US won't be able to borrow much of anything for anything... no less incredibly expensive manned space flight to moons and other planets. With such US manned space flights, I think we're talking about champagne tastes on a beer budget db Eric S. Sande wrote: Like what? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, it's a serious question. I've yet to read about any really important research that is going on in the space station and that couldn't be done any other way. Microgravity offers real advanages in alloy and semiconductor maufacturing, also pharmaceuticals. We now know how to construct large structures in orbit and maintain a long term presence in space. Energy is unlimited and free. Four nations/national consortia can boost cargo into orbit and to the station assuming JAXA's HTV is successful. I see the potential as enormous. But we have to be there to realize it. The ISS is a good start. If we look at it as a platform for the assembly of space-only ships, and as a fuel transfer point, we could explore the L4 and L5 Lagrangian points. The moon is probably not a good idea if we can't prove the presence of water. Robots aren't smart enough to do it all, and if we look at this new frontier as a government monopoly we are shortchanging ourselves. Just my opinion. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gmail question...
Thanks Jennifer, I imagine this will take care of the issue... and must have been what I remember seeing something about. Not necessary with normal email servers but Google's seems to keep track of which mails were accessed ... and doesn't dish them out again ... even if they weren't removed from the server by the first access. I guess that is because no email is actually ever removed from Gmail unless you do it by deletion? db Jennifer Hiebert wrote: I may misunderstand you, but are you looking for the Gmail recent mode? See http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=47948 --Using POP on multiple clients or mobile devices Jennifer Hiebert On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:42 AM, db wrote: Yes... there is something going on... intentionally by design I think. And it keeps me from doing things I occasionally want to / need to do. If I knew what it was... that might be the first part of a fix/ workaround. db Paula Minor wrote: Now that you are all talking about this, I realized I've had problems with it too. I can send an email from my gmail acct to my gmail account all from Apple Mail with no problem. But if I send that message out and happen to check my mail on my laptop instead of the desk computer, I can no longer download it to my desk machine even tho the laptop is set to never remove messages from the server. And some msgs I've sent on my iPhone to myself never showed up. Im glad I'm not alone. Paula US/IN raven880atindy.net I'm now at the age where I've got to prove that I'm just as good as I never was.Rex Harrison * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
