date:20001001

[CTRL] E-mails? SEND AGAIN, please!

2000-10-01 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER


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I have been having trouble receiving e-mails.  I just got it all
straightened away.  Anyone that sent me an E-mail that required
a reply by me, and haven't gotten one, THEN PLEASE SEND AGAIN!

And, thanks...and I'm sorry for the inconvenience.

Warmest regards,

Mike

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[CTRL] Der kursk!

2000-10-01 Thread Donald Park

Title: Der kursk!

At this moment, Russian prosecutors base their conclusions
on four major facts:

1. The is a history of collision between American and
Russian submarines in the Barents Sea.

2. Three US Navy submarines were present in the area of
the Northern Fleet's exercise at the time of the Kursk accident.

3. Immediately after the sinking of Kursk, one of the
American submarines left the Barents Sea to dock in
Norway for repairs. The submarine was followed by Russian
reconnaissance planes and made an attempt to elude them.

4. NATO officials refused an official request from the
Russian government for an objective inspection of the
external hull of USS Memphis.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws002/kursk001.htm
Comrades:
1. First of all, Eye Have no idea what really happened to the Kursk. But I would say that the idea of super modern space age submarines with incredible Tom Clancy 'Red October' type capabilities and sonar, that if indeed these guys run into one another, then the public (ours and theirs) are being bilked out of billions of dollars. Weegee Boards cost a lot less.
2. So what's new?
3. Again, so what?
4. These guys (Generals) have been thumbing their noise's at one another from the beginning. Putin and Clinton may be joined at the hip but their respective military leaders have been giving one another the finger (plucking the yew) for decades. No matter how high conspiricies run, there are always cross currents, ie, guys running their own programs. In other words, why should we confirm or disconfirm anything for the Russkies?
All out cooporation would be more suspecious than our (ok; not really mine or yours, but somebodies) military agreeing wholeheartedly to help them/
Sig Heil!

[CTRL] Sudan: Oil for the Taking

2000-10-01 Thread lloyd


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Subject: Sudan: Oil for the Taking
Date: Thursday, September 14, 2000 7:48 PM

Part I
Baroness Cox and the Chinese Connection

The August 27th unsubstantiated story emanating from the London Telegraph, flashed 
around the internet at light speed.  It alleged that 700,000 Chinese troops had 
amassed in Sudan, ready to slaughter the alleged Christian rebels in Southern Sudan.   
Within 24 hours the story was debunked as preposterous.   But that does not prevent it 
from being repeated and even exaggerated further. Like most lies that kill, the China 
tale contains a grain of truth expanded to bizarre proportions.

What is the truth about war, oil and Christianity in Sudan?

The US press and thousands of church journals and newsletters pass along reports like 
the China tale as fact.  But under the light of logic and experience, both the story 
of 700,000 Chinese and the tale of a "Christian" army in southern Sudan are about 
equally false.  Both appear to be figments of a well-oiled and financed propaganda 
organization, started by House of Lords member Baroness Caroline Cox.  She has now 
tipped her hand that her quest, like that of the Chinese, is for the oil fields of 
Sudan.  It seems likely someone is financing her to this end.

Over a year ago, We Hold These Truths published MISSIONARIES, MERCENARIES, MISSILES 
AND MONEY which stated that we believe that the oil-starved State of Israel is behind 
Ms. Cox's campaign. (http://www.whtt.org/990927cc.htm)   In order to understand the 
fever for an international war against the government of Sudan and its coveted oil 
field, a brief look at Sudan's past is of value.

Historians are fond of saying, "History repeats itself." In fact, just as winning 
football teams repeat the plays that work, powerful men repeat in the present, those 
acts that brought success in the past. History is just the result of these repeated 
acts. Today, the third battle of Khartoum is on the drawing board.  The booty today is 
not the vast cotton plantations in the crescent of the White and Blue Nile rivers, as 
it was at the turn of the 20th century -- it is Sudan's oil!  But the "plays" of those 
that would steal oil from the Sudanese are much the same as the plays used a century 
ago.

Let us see how these men will do their best to make history repeat itself in Sudan.

It was at dawn in Sudan on a warm September morning in 1898 when the British, with a 
huge force of more than 20,000 men, 100 guns, and gunboats of the Royal navy. began 
their attack on the native army that guarded the open south front to the city of 
Khartoum. Youthful journalist Winston Churchill was there, and British war 
correspondent, G.W. Stevens, wrote, "It was not a battle, but an execution."

British General Kirchner suspended the battle for lunch. After eating lightly, he rode 
his white charger leisurely across the plain that had once held an opposing army. 
Mangled black bodies of about 10,000 men and numerous animals lay in heaps. None were 
alive by this time, as the General's policy was to take no Muslim prisoners, and the 
expert mounted Royal Lancers had shot or impaled the wounded and prisoners on the 
blades of their feared eight-foot lancers.

Most of the 50,000 Khalifa warriors who attempted to defend the 34,000 inhabitants of 
Khartoum were armed with spears and obsolete guns.  General Kirchner continued the 
"execution" of remaining tribes and caravans for several months.  In one documented 
and embarrassing case, he dragged a captured and chained black Muslim leader through 
the city behind a horse, to the horror of the English people back home.  England had 
once more colonized Sudan as a giant cotton farm.  The "Muslim Revolt" was over.

According to English Historian Alan Moorehead's, "The White Nile" the population of 
Sudan was reduced by 50%--to barely two million-- during the terrible years of British 
conquest and rule in the last-half of the 19th century.  Sudan was only target 
practice for the brutality of the conquest of the African Gold mines four years later, 
commonly known as the Boer War, only four years later.

English Army applied some of the brutality learned in Sudan to commandeer the world's 
greatest gold camps in South Africa.  The British applied similar tactics to the white 
Dutch farmers of the Veld. Its army captured and interned the wives and children of 
almost every Boer farmer who was not at home to protect them, and burned their farms 
to the ground.  By English records, more than half of the 25,000 Boers killed in the 
war were women and children deliberately starved and unprotected.

The British came to Sudan for cotton and sweet revenge.  Now another of their

[CTRL] John Winston Interview II

2000-10-01 Thread Steve Wingate


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The highly revered Internet legend, John Winston, will be online to answer
your questions, LIVE on Anomaous Radio on Mplayer-Europe.com Sunday
night at 8:30 pm PT 11:30 pm ET.

Go to the regular (not adult) cam room at Mplayer-Europe.com at the
appointed time and you can both hear and ask quesitons live of John
Winston. Yes I will have an online cam too. In the future, guests with a
webcam will have their live images online. This can get pretty fun...

Mplayer-Europe.com just added a new free adult cam chatroom, so if that
is not a good reason to join before the live interview tonight then I do not
know what is.  :-)

Now you know I am not kidding, but if for some reason the Mplayer-Europe
goes down again, or a certain K**k person who used my earlier name
changing the '1' to 'l' and then claiming that it was just a coincidence that it
appeared twice at the same time in the room when a certain 'k**k'
individual attempted to disrupt the previous interview with John Winston,
preventing you good people from asking questions, well then we will take
appropriate actions!

IOW, I will be booting anyone being obnixious like the certain individual(s)
before, but only after filing an online complaint so that Mplayer-Europe can
log the IP number of those trying to disrupt this discussion again.

I hope that all of you who search for the Truth will Join John Winston and I
for a stimulating open-ended discussion of the paranormal Sunday night at
8:30 pm PT / 11:30 pm ET on Anomalous Radio, Live! Just look for the
Anomalous Radio chatroom in the 'M-Web Cam Lobby' at

http://www.mplayer-europe.com

If the Mplayer site is down due to Evil hackers, the NSA, or whoever or
whatever, then we will be online live at Anomalous Radio and chat room
accessible from this site:

http://www.anomalous-images.com/radio.html

(This is a backup only in the event that hacker(s) attempt to disrupt the
discussion as before.)

Have fun and join us Sunday night on Anomalous Radio!!!

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Re: [CTRL] A Funny Thing Happened...

2000-10-01 Thread pmeares


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Kris Millegan wrote:

 A funny thing is, that if ya follow the ships, first, slaves, sugar and rum
 then some ships did duty in  opium, then coolies, and last as oil tankers.

While we're on the subject of Bob's interesting postings, and how "if ya
follow the ships...", here's something Bob posted to your list this past
winter which was REALLY interesting (if memory serves, Das Goat
also thanked him for posting such "classic Bucky").

an exerpt from: "Critical Path"
Legally Piggily, by R. Buckminster Fuller

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Meanwhile in history, we have millennia of people venturing forth on the
world's waters-developing the first rafts, which had to go where the
ocean currents took them; then the dugouts, with which they paddled or
catamaraned and sailed in preferred directions; and finally the
ribbed-and-planked ship, suggested to them by the stout spine and rib
cage of the whales, seals and humans-stoutly keeled and ribbed,
deep-bellied ships. With their large ships made possible by this type of
construction, sailors came to cross the great seas carrying enormous
cargoes-vastly greater cargoes than could be carried on the backs of
humans or animals. Ships could take the short across-the-bay route
instead of the around-the-bay mountain route.

The Phoenicians, Cretans, and the Mycenaeans, together, in fleets of
these big-ribbed and heavily planked ships, went to Troy and besieged
it. Up to this time the besiegers of Troy had come overland, and they
soon ran out of food. But the Troy-besieging Greeks and Cretans came to
Troy in ships, which they could send back for more supplies. This
terminally-turned-around voyaging back to the supply sources and return
to the line of battle was called their "line of supply." The new
line-of-supply masters-the Greeks-starved out the Trojans. The Trojans
thought they had enough food but had not reckoned on the people
besieging them having these large ships. The Trojan horse was the large
wooden ship-that did the task of horses-out of whose belly poured armed
troops.

At this time the power structure of world affairs shifts from control by
the city-state to the masters of the lines of supply. At this point in
the history of swiftly evolving, multibanked, oarand sail-driven
fighting ships, the world power-structure control shifts westward to
Italy. While historians place prime emphasis on the Roman legions as
establishing the power of the Roman Empire, it was in fact the
development of ships and the overseas line of supply upon which its
power was built-by transporting those legions and keeping them supplied.

Go to Italy, and you will see all the incredibly lovely valleys and
great caste/los commanding each of those valleys such as you saw in the
typical city-states, and you can see that none of those walls has ever
been breached. Also in Italy-in the northeastern corner-is Venice, the
headquarters of the water-people. The Phoenicians~phonetically the
Venetians-had their south Mediterranean headquarters in Carthage in
northern Africa. In their western Mediterranean and Atlantic venturings
the Phoenicians became the Veekings. The Phoenicians-venetiansin
their ships voyaged around the whole coast of Italy and sent in their
people to each caste, one by one. The Venetians had an unlimited line of
supply, and the people inside each costello did not. The people inside
were starved out. Thus, all of the regional masters of the people in
Italy hated the Venetians-Phoenicians... veekings who were able to do
this. There being as yet no Suez Canal, the new world power structure
centered in the ship mastery of the line of supply finally forcing the
Roman Empire to shift its headquarters to Constantinople some ten
centuries after the fall of Troy. The Roman emperor-pope's bodyguards
were the Veekings-Vikings, the water-peoples' most powerful frontier
fighters. The line of supply from Asia to Constantinople was partially
caravan-borne and partially water-borne via Sinkiang-Khyber
Pass-Afghanistan or via the Sea of Azov, the Caspian and the Black seas.
From Constantinople, the western Europe-bound traffic was rerouted from
overland to waterway routes. Because the Asia-to-Constantinople half of
the trading was more land-borne-via-caravans, whose routes were
dominated by the city-state-mastering Turks, Constantinople in due
course was taken over by the Turks who established the Byzantine Empire
in the Aegean Sea and Asia Minor.

Before leaving the subject of the great power-structure struggle for
control of the most important, greatest cargo-tonnage-transporting most
profitable, Asia-to-Europe trade routes, we must note that the strength
of the Egyptian Empire was predicated upon its pre-Suez function as a
trade route link between Asia and Europe via the Indian Ocean, the Red
Sea, overland  caravan to the Nile, and then water-borne to Alexandria,
or via Somaliland, overland to the headwaters of the Nile, and thence to
Alexandria.  The latter route was not economically

Re: [CTRL] CommentMax: Tyranny Is Here

2000-10-01 Thread Mike Smith


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 So far, the only activists from either spectrum I praise and pray for are
the animal
 rights activists. God Bless Them.

Ya! Thank God animals have the right to be cooked properly with garlic and
butter!

MS

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[CTRL] Fwd: GOP News Views - October 1, 2000

2000-10-01 Thread Aleisha Saba


Now this literature as captioned aboveo is not exactly liberal, or is
it...someone had asked what I thought about the demand in the bible
as what to do with people who do not live by the high standards set by
the Talmud and Old Testament.for instance, sodomites should be
killed and I did want to know where Joe Lieberman stood on
thisfrankly I would take the Old Testament and have it
recodified?

So in my researched based on a very unique calendar code found in an old
1954 edition of a particular biblethese directives in the bible are
being carried out by unknown hands, namely, the Mafiawho take
every word very literally and carry out orders, orders issued by the
Godfathers.in certain secret societies initiates have a Godfather
aka mentor, who brings them in for final initiaton and as in psalms they
re placed in families, and hence cosidered "made men".Some say to
reach this unholy state they must commit a murder and be able to prove
who did what.

So when in Rome do as the Romans..this applies to Israel as well.

But as Martin Luther King said, I Had a Dreamyet the Old Testament
demands the dramers of dreams SHALL be slain.so KING Playing a
Moses,  was gunned down on a balcony overlooking the promised land in a
very well planned murder..CFR Wurf's Union, brought King to his
death and as in Dallas, people todoay wonder who did what, but most
realy do not care.

Strange though religion has never been a test for qualification to run
for President or Vice Presidentso we still have a high tribunal
meeting at midnight judging who will live and who will die?

Okay for Lieberman to spout off the Old Testament but not for little
Christian children to say a simple prayer in school?

The entire operation of the Mafia is built about the Old
Testamentbut then what better bok to use than the bible which
condones genocide and sets such high standards for - why the hell should
I care, I do not go to church.

Saba

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Todays Second Amendment Lesson

*  If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.


SOS:  Screwing Our Scouts 

Were coming to you today from Phoenix, Arizona ... where weve had no 
problem at all finding Bush/Cheney road signs.  Lots of them.  Havent seen a 
single Alpha-Al/Holy-Joe sign ... but did catch a few Bunny Goldfarb signs. 
 Dont know if shes a Democrat or a Republican, though.  Instead of an 
elephant or a donkey on her signs, theres a rabbit.  Go figure.

Weve also had no problem finding continued controversy over the Supreme 
Courts ruling that the Boy Scouts have the right to set up their own 
membership criteria.  But because the Scouts have determined that openly gay 
men are not acceptable role models for the young boys in their organization, 
the Tempe (a Phoenix suburb) mayor and city manager here recently decreed 
that voluntary government employee contributions to the United Way earmarked 
for the Scouts will henceforth be prohibited.  

City funds should not be used to discriminate, said acting City Manager 
John Greco.  Um, but this matter doesnt involve any city funds.  It pertains 
to employees voluntarily checking off a pledge card box specifying that their 
voluntary United Way contribution go to the Scouts.  Ah, but lets not let 
the facts get in the way of a good politically-correct temper-tantrum, right? 
 (Defend the Scouts by signing the petition urging the national press to 
query the presidential candidates on this issue at 
http://www.defendingscouts.com)


And Now, From the Other Extreme... 

Columnist Deroy Murdock has defended sodomite (Arizona) Republican state 
representative Steve May for the indefensible. ... Sodomy is reprehensible, 
filthy, disgusting, a crime against nature and a crime against civilization.  
The penalty God gave for it is death.  Now I realize that many people today 
think they are above God, but 'taint necessarily so!  Matter of fact, if 
these guys and gals are above God and proclaim that there is no such thing as 
right and wrong, then who are they to say that GOD is wrong in His 
judgement toward sodomy?  I believe I'll go with God on this one.  Mr. May 
has earned God's eternal death penalty unless he repents, is born again, and 
walks the regenerate, not degenerate, life.

- GOP News  Views reader Bob Childree, 9/30/00


Other Literal Bible Translations

Dear Mr. Falwell,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have 
learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with 
as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual

Re: [CTRL] CommentMax: Tyranny Is Here

2000-10-01 Thread Tenorlove


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--- Mike Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ya! Thank God animals have the right to be cooked properly with
 garlic and
 butter!

HEY YOU!!
I LOVE ANIMALS.MEDIUM RARE!!

ROTFLMBO!!

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[CTRL] Ominous Warning Given Clinton

2000-10-01 Thread lloyd


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Subject: Ominous Warning Given Clinton
Date: Monday, September 18, 2000 2:49 AM

 Friday night, 9/15/00, Sean David Morton, in an interview with Mike
Siegel on the nationwide/international radio broadcast "Coast to Coast," told
about a recent secret meeting at which Clinton attempted to sell-out the U. S.
 Sean has many inside connections to 'those in the know.'  He stated his
connections informed him that Clinton attended a recent international
conference for the NWO (Bilderbergers ?) where he told the wealthy, powerful
and secret elite group of men that he had made everything ready for the
United States to be taken over if they wanted him to proceed.  They responded
by telling Clinton that Bush had their blessing to be the next president and
that if he, Clinton, tried anything, "they would kill him."
 Sean also stated that someone has put a curse on the presidency
resulting in a pattern that has emerged of presidents dying in office who
were elected in a year ending in a zero, as in 2000.  He stated that it is
possible whoever gets elected this time may die in office somehow; i.e., as
Harding did - elected in 1920 - dying of a heart attack in 1923 in San
Francisco.
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[CTRL] Iran-Kuwait

2000-10-01 Thread K


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http://www.irna.com/newshtm/eng/10181033.htm

thr 039
Iran-Kuwait
Iran and Kuwait call for regional cooperation for stability
Kuwait City, Oct 1, IRNA -- Iran's Interior Minister Abdolvahed
Mousavi-Lari and and the Speaker of the Kuwaiti National
Assembly Jassem Mohammad Al-Kharafi here on Sunday stressed
the need for cooperation among littoral states of the Persian Gulf to
secure stability in the region.
In the meeting, Al-Kharafi underlined the important role of the
Islamic Republic of Iran in the region and described Iran as a `great
and important' country.
He said the Kuwaiti national assembly is for the friendship
between the two countries and expressed hope that the exchange
of visits will strengthen relations.
The Kuwait official said, "Stability and calm bring blessing to
the people of the region and the foreigners should not be permitted
to make mischief among brothers."
Al-Kharafi added the Kuwaiti parliament tries to bring the
countries closer at the regional and international levels.
He said the efforts made by the interior ministries of the two
countries to expand the bilateral relations are very `important and
valuable' and expressed hope that important steps will be taken in
this regard.
Mousavi-Lari called the current discussions between the officials
of the two countries `positive and constructive' and said the two
sides should go beyond the generalities and work out the details.
The meeting was also attended by Kuwait's interior minister
Sheikh Mohammad Khaled Al-Sabah, a group of Kuwaiti
parliamentarians, the delegation accompanying Iran's interior
minister and Iran's ambassador to Kuwait Ali Jannati.

JB/AH
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Kursk Update
Date: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 11:49 AM


According the Russian media source Venik's Aviation,
Russian investigators are still claiming that the Kursk,
the Russian submarine that recently sank, was struck by
a US submarine, specifically, the USS Memphis. They are
said to claim the USS Memphis was tracked leaving the
area headed toward a Norwegian port where it has been
receiving repairs. Russian investigators have allegedly
asked to inspect the exterior of the USS Memphis but the
Pentagon will not allow them to even look at the Memphis,
the exterior of which apparently has become a top-secret
despite its having been openly photographed in the past.
Another Russian media source recently caste doubt on the
sub-collision theory: http://Gazeta.ru/manilodka.shtml
Michael Rivero has a page devoted to the sub-collision
theory: http://whatreallyhappened.com/KURSK/kursk.html

Here's a recent report (9/11/00) from Venik's Aviation:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws002/kursk001.htm

As of Sept. 11, 2000, Russian investigators believe
that Kursk collided with the USS Memphis of the US Navy.
This submarine is an experimental platform used by the
US Navy to test new weapons and other systems. It was
manufactured in 1977 and modified for special-purpose
operation in 1989 and again in 1994.

The collision was registered by Norwegian and Russian
seismologists as a weak "seismic event," which was
followed by a powerful explosion 2 minutes 15 seconds
later. There is a number of scientifically-valid
explanations as to how a collision could have caused
an explosion aboard Kursk 135 seconds later. The exact
mechanism of such a process is now being studied.

The USS Memphis was detected by the Russian nuclear
cruiser Peter the Great at the bottom of the sea not
far from Kursk. The American submarine released a
rescue buoy and transmitted a coded emergency radio
signal on NATO frequencies, requesting an emergency
entry to a Norwegian naval base. The USS Memphis was
able to recover from the collision (it was not as
heavily damaged as Kursk, because the collision did
not result in any explosions aboard the American
submarine) and, after pulling down the rescue buoy,
left the scene of the accident. The submarine's
departure was also registered by the Russian cruiser.

The USS Memphis was initially tracked by a Kamov
antisubmarine helicopter based aboard Peter the Great.
Later, two Il-38 antisubmarine aircraft, piloted by Lt.
Col. Dergunov and Lt. Col. Dovzhenko, deployed hydro-
acoustic buoys and detected the USS Memphis traveling
at only 5 knots. The submarine was continuously tracked
by Russian vessels, aircraft and satellites until it
reached the Norwegian port in Bergen. During the last
reconnaissance flight of an Il-38 on August 18, the
aircraft's pilot - Lt. Col. Dergunov - was unable to
detect the submarine due to strong EM and hydro-acoustic
interference from NATO defenses. Later that day the USS
Memphis docked in Bergen.

The Russian Military Prosecutor General's office
announced that they are prepared to charge the senior
crew members of an unnamed vessel that collided with
Kursk in accordance with the Article 263 of the Russian
Criminal Code. The name of the vessel is know to the
investigators but has not been made public. It was
mentioned that the Pentagon has denied the official
request by the Russian government to inspect the outer
hull of the USS Memphis. After staying in Bergen in a
dock for a short period of time the USS Memphis left
for a British naval base. Again, the American submarine
was tracked by the Russian Navy and by satellites.

Even the most furious opponents of the collision
theory are bewildered by the Pentagon's refusal to
allow an external visual inspection of the USS Memphis.
This old submarine has been seen at public events,
photographed, videotaped and at least its external
features ceased to be a secret many years ago. Clearly,
if the USS Memphis did not collide with Kursk, even a
brief inspection of its hull would be quite enough to
lift any suspicions. Such an inspection could have been
carried out quickly and easily, because the USS Memphis
was sitting in a dock in Bergen. Americans refused a
simple and reasonable request from Russia. This is
viewed by many as a de facto admission of guilt. The
situation is aggravated by the fact, that the Pentagon
officials lied about the number of American submarines
observing the Russian Navy exercise in the Barents Sea:
the US military officials stated that there were two
submarines, while there were three submarines.

At this moment, Russian prosecutors base their conclusions
on four major facts:

1. The is a history of collision between American and
Russian submarines in the Barents Sea.

2. Three US Navy submarines were present in the area of
the Northern Fleet's exercise at the time of the Kursk accident.

3. Immediately after the sinking of

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