[Elecraft] UK Elecraft Net

2010-03-27 Thread Ian Maude
Hi all,
Please be aware that because of the WPX contest this weekend it has been
decided to cancel this weeks net.  The net will be on again next Sunday (4th
April) as normal.

73 and good luck in the contest :)

Ian

-- 
Ian J Maude, G0VGS
SysOp GB7MBC  HB9DRV-9 DX Clusters
Member RSGB, GQRP 9838, FISTS 14077 | K3 #455
http://www.amateurradiotraining.org
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[Elecraft] KBPF3

2010-03-27 Thread Brett Howard
Maybe I've missed it or forgotten where it was but is it documented
somewhere what the RX performance is with and without the KBPF3?  I've
seen where it says that you get 500Khz-30Mhz and 48-54Mhz but it then
says KBPF3 required for general coverage But how wide are the ham
band filters and what all are the gaps that one are looking at missing.
I really never went and played outside the ham bands on the Kenwood
TS-450Sat that I was borrowing for a while when I was saving up for a
K3... So I wonder what I'm missing out there and figured this would make
a fun K3 related thread that many would have fun sharing in.

~Brett

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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) Grounding Mat

2010-03-27 Thread David Woolley (E.L)
I find this (that there must always be ground continuity across and 
isolation transformer, and that one end of the secondary must be 
connected to neutral) unlikely.  There are at least five circumstances 
in which this doesn't apply under UK regulations, and I am pretty sure 
that the same situations apply in the USA.

The first is Separated Extra Low Voltage (SELV - e.g. the common or 
garden wall wart).

The second is the common or garden bathroom shaver socket.

The third, is class IT systems, which have no earth at all, and are 
required in certain areas of hospitals.

The fourth is special non-conducting environments, where it is 
physically impossible to touch more than one conductor at a time.

And the fifth is environments where all exposed conductors are bonded 
together, but not to the supply earth.

The last two are specialist cases.

Jim Brown wrote:

 Aside from the fractured logic in this sentence, power isolation 
 transformers, installed per NEC, do NOT isolate the green wire on one side 
 from the green wire on the other, because code requires that ALL grounds 
 (including all green wires, and the chassis of all equipment) be bonded 
 together!  
 
 NEC also requires that the neutral of every transformer secondary must be 
 bonded to ground, and as noted above, all grounds must be bonded together. 
 So the question is, what, exactly, from a grounding perspective, do you 
 expect to gain by using an isolation transformer?  

-- 
David Woolley
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Internal keyer in TS-480

2010-03-27 Thread Dave, G4AON
I have a K1, K2, K3 and TS-480SAT. I always use the internal keyers in 
them and find no issues with the way they key, Elecraft and Kenwood 
internal keyers seem very similar to me. I use Iambic B with a weight of 
1 (from the K3 menu in front of me). The only radios that I've had an 
issue with were the FT-857D which lacks a decent internal keyer and a 
TS-570 which had a keyer timing issue - Kenwood knew about the 570 
keying issue for some time prior to mine being manufactured but still 
produced defective radios needing a return to the importer to have it 
updated...

I use a Palm Mini paddle for portable operating and used their Code Cube 
keyer with the FT-857D, however the Code Cube is not used, or needed, 
with my current Elecraft or TS-480 radios.

73 Dave, G4AON

SNIP
Is this just a matter of different operators having different keyer
preferences, or is there something unusual about the Kenwood internal
keyer?

Al N1AL
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Re: [Elecraft] Guy Olinger criticism...

2010-03-27 Thread Bob Naumann
John,

I think you may owe Guy an apology. 

He's agreeing with you on how good the K2 tuner is and how others may not
fare as well.

I don't see any criticism of your comments at all.

73,

Bob W5OV

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Ragle
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:26 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Guy Olinger criticism...

I don't exactly know what set this guy off, but I know what my antennas 
are doing because I use a vector network analyzer on them. I was simply 
comparing the K2's tuner with a couple of other tuners I've used. My 
points were (a) the KAT2 tuner is very good/outstanding for a switcher 
that uses discretized components, (b) an external tuner subtracts from 
the portability of the K2 or K3, and (c) the discretized components in 
the F3K are chosen for the low-frequency bands and don't work at all for 
10 or 6 if one is trying to match a hi-Q antenna structure, which may be 
not too far from 50+0i at its resonant frequency.

Dr. J. L. Ragle -- W1ZI
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Internal keyer in TS-480

2010-03-27 Thread Mike Harris
G'day,

I use mode B in both my K2 and K3.  However, If I try to use mode B 
with my microHAM CW KEYER I usually end up messing it up and when 
you mess up you worry about messing up so mess up even more!  At 
this point I give up.  Fortunately the K3 enables me to plug in both 
but I lose the message interrupt facility from the paddles when 
plugged into the external keyer.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO


- Original Message - 
From: Nathan Edson nedsonj...@gmail.com
To: n...@cds1.net
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Internal keyer in TS-480


 Most newer rigs only offer iambic type B keying while many 
 operators
 prefer type A.  I would guess this is the reason the article 
 mentioned
 including an external keyer.

 Nathan, KO6U
 Type A Guy

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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) Grounding Mat

2010-03-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
Dave,

An isolation transformer *does* isolate the neutral (and the hot), but 
does *not* isolate the green wire ground - and for safety, it should not.

73,
Don W3FPR

David Woolley (E.L) wrote:
 I find this (that there must always be ground continuity across and 
 isolation transformer, and that one end of the secondary must be 
 connected to neutral) unlikely.  There are at least five circumstances 
   

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[Elecraft] Calibrate TX Gain error

2010-03-27 Thread Gregg W6IZT
Good Morning:

 

I just ran the TX gain calibration and it fails on 29 MHz at both the 5 and
50 watt power levels indicating an SWR of 2.1:1. I checked the SWR manually
and indeed it is indicated at approximately 2:1 at 29 MHz. I manually
checked all bands and 24.9 MHz is indicating an SWR of 1.6:1. On all of the
other bands the SWR is 1:1 with the tuner in bypass. I am using a load good
up to 3 GHz. I have swept the load and the cable that I am using and the RL
is better than -40 dB throughout the HF and VHF spectrum.

 

It seems to me that all this points to the lowpass filter in the K3 for
12/10 meters. I can do a physical check for a bad cap or cold solder joint
and it looks like I can sweep the filter by opening W3 and sweeping into a
load connected to the antenna connector. Before I do this I wanted to
confirm if anyone else has seen this problem and if so, what was the root
cause?

 

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

 

73

Gregg

W6IZT

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Re: [Elecraft] Calibrate TX Gain error

2010-03-27 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Gregg, at one time I had this problem with bandpass tuning on 40
meters.  I would get in touch with K3 support for guidance on touching
up bandpass filter tuning.  I don't believe I've ever seen tuning
instructions that published for a K3.  They told me what to turn and
in what order to flatten it out, though some might want to send the
radio in to have that aligned.  There was nothing missing, burned,
shorted or open on my unit. It has remained tuned since then.   73,
Guy.

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Gregg W6IZT w6...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 Good Morning:



 I just ran the TX gain calibration and it fails on 29 MHz at both the 5 and
 50 watt power levels indicating an SWR of 2.1:1. I checked the SWR manually
 and indeed it is indicated at approximately 2:1 at 29 MHz. I manually
 checked all bands and 24.9 MHz is indicating an SWR of 1.6:1. On all of the
 other bands the SWR is 1:1 with the tuner in bypass. I am using a load good
 up to 3 GHz. I have swept the load and the cable that I am using and the RL
 is better than -40 dB throughout the HF and VHF spectrum.



 It seems to me that all this points to the lowpass filter in the K3 for
 12/10 meters. I can do a physical check for a bad cap or cold solder joint
 and it looks like I can sweep the filter by opening W3 and sweeping into a
 load connected to the antenna connector. Before I do this I wanted to
 confirm if anyone else has seen this problem and if so, what was the root
 cause?



 Thanks in advance for your assistance.



 73

 Gregg

 W6IZT

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[Elecraft] (OT) american made

2010-03-27 Thread Chris Hembree
Are the elecraft boards American made?
I had a ham friend tell me they were not. But he does not know anything about 
elecraft.  Plus he is telling me I would be better off to buy a $1400 kenwood 
that had everything. I think the quality and support of elecraft is far best of 
any radio out there.

I am sticking with the K3/100 when I order it.
Chris W7CTH





  
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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) american made (not OT)

2010-03-27 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
First, I don't believe this is off topic.

Second, I believe Wayne has stated before the boards are made 'just down the 
road' from Elcraft's Aptos HQ.

Third - imho the K3 is a far better rig - but then I'm biased.

73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
-- 
It is unwise to be too sure of one's own wisdom. It is healthy to be
reminded that the strongest might weaken and the wisest might err.
-Mohandas K. Gandhi (1869-1948)

On 27 Mar 2010, at 15:53, Chris Hembree wrote:

 Are the elecraft boards American made?
 I had a ham friend tell me they were not. But he does not know anything about 
 elecraft.  Plus he is telling me I would be better off to buy a $1400 kenwood 
 that had everything. I think the quality and support of elecraft is far best 
 of any radio out there.
 
 I am sticking with the K3/100 when I order it.
 Chris W7CTH

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[Elecraft] K3 receiver gain problem

2010-03-27 Thread Ron W3ZV
I am playing in the contest today. I have had two instances where my 
receiver gain has gone down dramatically. It sounds like I have switched 
to the second antenna with nothing attached. Engaging PTT brings it 
back. I installed the second receiver and DVR a week ago. Has been 
working fine until today. The problem is not reproducible. Happens on 
its own schedule.

K3/100 #1248
FW 3.79
No modifications

Any magic out there, or do I wait for Elecraft to wake up Monday?

Ron W3ZV

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and AM RX [explanation]

2010-03-27 Thread Wayne Burdick

 When tuning across an AM station there are clicks and cracks, seems  
 to be on even kHz. On my radio it has been from day one. Is this  
 normal or is my radio faulty? I use latest FW. / Jim

Jim,

When tuning near a very strong continuous carrier, you may hear a  
small AF artifact at points where the PLL divider switches. This  
occurs at different intervals depending on the band. On 20 meters the  
interval averages about 15 kHz. We minimize the effect by introducing  
a small amount of DSP limiting during the switching window (~10 ms).

This is not avoidable with the present synth design, which was  
optimized for extremely low phase noise. There are two contributing  
factors. First, we follow the DDS with a very narrow crystal filter to  
dramatically clean up this signal; frequency shifts through the filter  
are subject to a small amount of group delay. (Other rigs using DDS  
use either no filtering, or very wide filtering, leaving them  
susceptible to DDS spurs.) Second, the VCO control bandwidth is low,  
improving close-in phase noise, but again causing a small re-lock  
delay when the PLL dividers are switched. (Most rigs use a wider VCO  
control bandwidth, and thus suffer from greater phase noise at small  
offsets that are important to ham operation, i.e.  2 kHz from the  
carrier.)

We feel that this was the right design tradeoff, and I think most  
customers would agree. Dynamic range is greatly improved with a low- 
noise synthesizer, both on transmit and receive.

73,
Wayne
N6KR





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Re: [Elecraft] Calibrate TX Gain error

2010-03-27 Thread Gregg W6IZT
Thanks Guy. Cc'd support

73
Gregg

-Original Message-
From: guyk...@gmail.com [mailto:guyk...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Guy Olinger
K2AV
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:29 AM
To: Gregg W6IZT
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Calibrate TX Gain error

Gregg, at one time I had this problem with bandpass tuning on 40
meters.  I would get in touch with K3 support for guidance on touching
up bandpass filter tuning.  I don't believe I've ever seen tuning
instructions that published for a K3.  They told me what to turn and
in what order to flatten it out, though some might want to send the
radio in to have that aligned.  There was nothing missing, burned,
shorted or open on my unit. It has remained tuned since then.   73,
Guy.

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Gregg W6IZT w6...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 Good Morning:



 I just ran the TX gain calibration and it fails on 29 MHz at both the 5
and
 50 watt power levels indicating an SWR of 2.1:1. I checked the SWR
manually
 and indeed it is indicated at approximately 2:1 at 29 MHz. I manually
 checked all bands and 24.9 MHz is indicating an SWR of 1.6:1. On all of
the
 other bands the SWR is 1:1 with the tuner in bypass. I am using a load
good
 up to 3 GHz. I have swept the load and the cable that I am using and the
RL
 is better than -40 dB throughout the HF and VHF spectrum.



 It seems to me that all this points to the lowpass filter in the K3 for
 12/10 meters. I can do a physical check for a bad cap or cold solder joint
 and it looks like I can sweep the filter by opening W3 and sweeping into a
 load connected to the antenna connector. Before I do this I wanted to
 confirm if anyone else has seen this problem and if so, what was the root
 cause?



 Thanks in advance for your assistance.



 73

 Gregg

 W6IZT

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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) american made (not OT)

2010-03-27 Thread Mark Bayern
Lets see if his questions about the design and operation of that $1400
Kenwood are answered by the designer. I see that Wayne has just
answered a question about the K3 and tuning strong AM signals. He even
answered it on a Saturday morning!


Mark  AD5SS



On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:00 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF
m0...@alphadene.co.uk wrote:
 First, I don't believe this is off topic.

 Second, I believe Wayne has stated before the boards are made 'just down the 
 road' from Elcraft's Aptos HQ.

 Third - imho the K3 is a far better rig - but then I'm biased.

 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
 --
 It is unwise to be too sure of one's own wisdom. It is healthy to be
 reminded that the strongest might weaken and the wisest might err.
 -Mohandas K. Gandhi (1869-1948)

 On 27 Mar 2010, at 15:53, Chris Hembree wrote:

 Are the elecraft boards American made?
 I had a ham friend tell me they were not. But he does not know anything 
 about elecraft.  Plus he is telling me I would be better off to buy a $1400 
 kenwood that had everything. I think the quality and support of elecraft is 
 far best of any radio out there.

 I am sticking with the K3/100 when I order it.
 Chris W7CTH
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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) american made (not OT)

2010-03-27 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Saturday afternoon here !

Elecraft's service is second to none, I've only found one other vendor to be as 
good and that is Dog Park Software, creators of MacLoggerDX (logging for Mac 
OSX and other software).

:-)

73 de M0XDF, K3 #174

On 27 Mar 2010, at 16:18, Mark Bayern wrote:

 Lets see if his questions about the design and operation of that $1400
 Kenwood are answered by the designer. I see that Wayne has just
 answered a question about the K3 and tuning strong AM signals. He even
 answered it on a Saturday morning!

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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) American made

2010-03-27 Thread Fred Atchley
Chris wrote: I am sticking with the K3/100 when I order it.

Good choice Chris. Elecraft and Elecraft Support are like the Marine Corps
saying: The difficult we do immediately. the impossible takes a little
longer.

73, Fred, AE6IC, K3 2241

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Calibrate TX Gain error

2010-03-27 Thread Bill W4ZV


Gregg W6IZT wrote:
 
 It seems to me that all this points to the lowpass filter in the K3 for
 12/10 meters. I can do a physical check for a bad cap or cold solder joint
 

I would visually inspect the 10/12m BPF very carefully, especially looking
for a bad solder joint on any toroids (i.e. enamel not allowing solder
connection).  I had a similar problem (60m band) and was able to scrape the
enamel and resolder the toroid from the top side without removing it from
the K3.

73  GL!

Bill

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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) american made

2010-03-27 Thread Joe Planisky
Hi Chris,

From

http://n2.nabble.com/Are-K3-boards-built-overseas-tp4609367p4609378.html

(a post by Lyle Johnson, an Elecraft employee)

 Component parts come from all over the world.
 
 Parts are placed on the PCBs, soldered, and tested all in California.

73
--
Joe KB8AP


On Mar 27, 2010, at 8:53 AM, Chris Hembree wrote:

 Are the elecraft boards American made?
 ...

 Chris W7CTH


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 options input sought

2010-03-27 Thread Art K6XT
David
The onboard tuner is pretty handy and fast tuning. I have a couple 1KW 
size outboard manual tuners but still use the K3's often. If you don't 
contest much and don't plan to record off the air the KDVR3 might be 
overkill. Last I heard, KDVR3 won't stream rx audio to an external 
device such as your PC's HDD.

The tuner, btw, is only useful for impedance matching. Its an L section 
which will not attenuate harmonics.

73 Art

-- 
73 Art
Allison, Colorado
Whether you believe you can do a thing or
not, you are right.  --Henry Ford.

David wrote:
From: david beckwith david.beckw...@att.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 options input sought
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: 977804.36998...@web82101.mail.mud.yahoo.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

I am upgrading the shack from a K2 to K3. I have a nice Palstar tuner and an 
ACOM amp.? I am mostly a SSB guy, not big on contests or FM.? Given these 
resources and needs my planned configuration for the new K3 is:
K3/100? KXV3A IF Out and RX Ant.?General?coverage RX bandpass ?KDVR3-DVR? KUSB 
500 Hz 5pole CW filter and 6kHz AM/ESSB 8 pole filter.? Thoughts? Am I unwise 
for not including the internal ATU even though I have the Palstar? Thanks and 
73? Dave

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 receiver gain problem

2010-03-27 Thread Vic K2VCO
On 3/27/2010 9:02 AM, Ron W3ZV wrote:
 I am playing in the contest today. I have had two instances where my
 receiver gain has gone down dramatically. It sounds like I have switched
 to the second antenna with nothing attached. Engaging PTT brings it
 back. I installed the second receiver and DVR a week ago. Has been
 working fine until today. The problem is not reproducible. Happens on
 its own schedule.

Often this kind of problem is caused by an intermittent poor connection 
somewhere in the 
antenna system, a dirty relay contact if you have any relays in the path, etc. 
As soon as 
you hit it with a bit of RF, it cleans up and works for a while. But in 
receive, the 
voltage is so low that it stays in high-resistance mode.

Check the coax connectors, relays if any, etc.

I had the exact symptom about a year ago when I had a balun with a corroded 
solder connection.
-- 
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 receiver gain problem

2010-03-27 Thread Joe Planisky
Hoo boy! I know about this one.  I actually sent my rig back to  
Elecraft for repair when it was happening to me.  Imagine my chagrin  
when my backup rig started behaving the same way.

73
--
Joe KB8AP

On Mar 27, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Vic K2VCO wrote:

 On 3/27/2010 9:02 AM, Ron W3ZV wrote:
 I am playing in the contest today. I have had two instances where my
 receiver gain has gone down dramatically. ... Engaging PTT brings it
 back.
 Often this kind of problem is caused by an intermittent poor  
 connection somewhere in the
 antenna system, ... As soon as you hit it with a bit of RF, it  
 cleans up and works for a while. But in receive, the voltage is so  
 low that it stays in high-resistance mode.
 ...
 Vic, K2VCO

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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) American made

2010-03-27 Thread Kevin Rock
That motto was attributed to the SeaBees (Construction Battalion).  They could 
kluge anything while under fire.  If they were not getting shot at they got 
bored :)
   Kevin.  KD5ONS (whose father navigated to more than one of their strips 
across the vast Pacific)


-Original Message-
From: Fred Atchley hamkt...@att.net
Sent: Mar 27, 2010 9:48 AM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (OT) American made

Chris wrote: I am sticking with the K3/100 when I order it.

Good choice Chris. Elecraft and Elecraft Support are like the Marine Corps
saying: The difficult we do immediately. the impossible takes a little
longer.

73, Fred, AE6IC, K3 2241

 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 receiver gain problem

2010-03-27 Thread Dick Dievendorff
I had these symptoms (with another radio) and eventually tracked it  
down to a corroded junction where a saddle clamp joined parts of the  
linear loading wire on my short 40m beam.

Dick, K6KR


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 27, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Vic K2VCO v...@rakefet.com wrote:

 On 3/27/2010 9:02 AM, Ron W3ZV wrote:
 I am playing in the contest today. I have had two instances where my
 receiver gain has gone down dramatically. It sounds like I have  
 switched
 to the second antenna with nothing attached. Engaging PTT brings it
 back. I installed the second receiver and DVR a week ago. Has been
 working fine until today. The problem is not reproducible. Happens on
 its own schedule.

 Often this kind of problem is caused by an intermittent poor  
 connection somewhere in the
 antenna system, a dirty relay contact if you have any relays in the  
 path, etc. As soon as
 you hit it with a bit of RF, it cleans up and works for a while. But  
 in receive, the
 voltage is so low that it stays in high-resistance mode.

 Check the coax connectors, relays if any, etc.

 I had the exact symptom about a year ago when I had a balun with a  
 corroded solder connection.
 -- 
 Vic, K2VCO
 Fresno CA
 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) Grounding Mat

2010-03-27 Thread Jim Brown
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 10:20:09 +, David Woolley (E.L) wrote:

I find this (that there must always be ground continuity across and 
isolation transformer, and that one end of the secondary must be 
connected to neutral) unlikely.  There are at least five circumstances 
in which this doesn't apply under UK regulations, and I am pretty sure 
that the same situations apply in the USA.

I can't speak to UK regulations, but I am certain about those in North 
America. 

73,

Jim Brown K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) Grounding Mat

2010-03-27 Thread Jim Brown
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:32:12 -0400, Don Wilhelm wrote:

An isolation transformer *does* isolate the neutral (and the hot), 

NO! This is a summary of NEC (National Electric Code) requirements: The 
NEUTRAL of a transformer on the secondary side MUST be bonded to the 
equipment ground (steel conduit, the green wire, building structure, etc), 
and that green wire must be carried from the breaker panel to each outlet and 
to the transformer.  The neutral conductor that feeds the primary side of the 
transformer must be bonded to ground at the service for the building (that 
is, the main breaker panel). And, as we all know, all groundes must be bonded 
together. Thus, an isolation transformer does NOT isolate either the neutral 
or the equipment ground. 

What an isolation transformer DOES do is reduce the voltage between neutral 
and ground to zero. It also shortens the return path for leakage currents on 
the green wire -- they now return to that transformer, not to the more 
distant breaker panel at the service entrance. This has the potential to 
reduce noise current on the shield of signal cables. BUT -- the simple 
bonding regimen outlined in my Ham Interfacing Power Point is a MUCH less 
expensive AND more effective solution. 

73,

Jim Brown K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 receiver gain problem

2010-03-27 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Besides the K3 there is a long list of other possibles, but since you
WERE into the cables inside the K3, if all those mini-coax connectors
did not get seated correctly...I found that a little tricky and there
is a certain feel to it when they go in right and seat solid.  That an
unrelated intermittent could occur the same weekend as a K3 upgrade is
likely due to passing through a nexus of murphyite entropy, our your
neighbor casting spells.

Mostly it sounds like this kind of stuff that has happened to me
personally over time.  I'm sure the list is really much longer if we
add in everyone's experience.

* Connection of coax shield to dipole half was parted but still
touching when it was convenient.
* Connection of yagi matching device to driven element corroded and loose.
* Water in barrel connector splice in feedline, getting green.
* Center connection in hardline connector soldered too far down on
hardline center conductor (didn't use the little spacer to do it
because I couldn't find it) and cold wx would separate it at night. In
the morning when sun hit it would close up.
* PL259 on back of rig cross-threaded and making poor contact.
* PL259 on back of rig not tightened at all.
* Amp relay contacts burned by running at contest station with no
delay set up for transceiver-amp keying sequence, causing hot
switching.
* Amp relay contacts worn out from years of QSK.
* Unsoldered connection in commercial balun.
* Unsoldered connection in homemade balun. (Apparently a communicable disease.)
* Balun hit by lightning, odd thing that it had periods of apparently
working OK. It was full of loose pieces inside.
* Heathkit SB series setup.  RCA plugs wore out and got loose.
* Worn out T/R relays of many kinds.
* Conductor in 450 window line parted inside the polyethylene due to
wind flexing.
* Center conductor in RG8 pulled apart due to stretching under weight
of ice, would only part in coldest weather.
* Incomplete crimp on BNC center conductor.
* Going way back to novice days when I could barely tell difference
between coax and rope, unsoldered shield and center conductors in
PL259 conveniently fogotten and still in service.

In most of the above, hitting the key and putting the connection under
power would close the gap temporarily, for a second, an hour, a
month   Couple others, for fairness:

* Incomplete solder joint in transceiver SMD board. Was making
connection as glued, but would sometimes not make contact. Hitting
transmit did nothing.  Only found it with freeze spray and what
amounted to a low grade microscope.  It ran AOK for a long time before
the trouble surfaced.

* Burned transformer in TRX input due to inband power (100w+?) on the
line back to the TRX in RX state.  It worked part of the time.

Longer I think about it the longer the upper list gets.

73 and good luck.   Guy.

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Ron W3ZV w...@verizon.net wrote:
 I am playing in the contest today. I have had two instances where my
 receiver gain has gone down dramatically. It sounds like I have switched
 to the second antenna with nothing attached. Engaging PTT brings it
 back. I installed the second receiver and DVR a week ago. Has been
 working fine until today. The problem is not reproducible. Happens on
 its own schedule.

 K3/100 #1248
 FW 3.79
 No modifications

 Any magic out there, or do I wait for Elecraft to wake up Monday?

 Ron W3ZV

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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) Grounding Mat

2010-03-27 Thread Tom W8JI
 NO! This is a summary of NEC (National Electric Code) 
 requirements: The
 NEUTRAL of a transformer on the secondary side MUST be 
 bonded to the
 equipment ground (steel conduit, the green wire, building 
 structure, etc),
 and that green wire must be carried from the breaker panel 
 to each outlet and
 to the transformer.  The neutral conductor that feeds the 
 primary side of the
 transformer must be bonded to ground at the service for 
 the building (that
 is, the main breaker panel). And, as we all know, all 
 groundes must be bonded
 together. Thus, an isolation transformer does NOT isolate 
 either the neutral
 or the equipment ground.

I wonder when that changed? All of my isolation 
transformers, probably manufactured in the 70's or 80's, 
float the mains terminals on the load side. We used them all 
the time working on AC/DC radios and I still use them now 
working on SMPS. Only the case and safety grounds are 
grounded. 

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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) Grounding Mat

2010-03-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
But Jim,

The secondary of an isolation transformer is fully isolated - i.e. 
floating AC.  The fact that the neutral of the transformer input side is 
bonded to the green wire ground is quite a different thing.  A proper 
isolation transformer has no relationship to neutral on the secondary 
side - only the safety ground and the voltage across the secondary winding.

Remember the old AC/DC receivers that had one side of the AC line tied 
to the chassis!  Every proper service bench had an isolation transformer 
during that era.

73,
Don W3FPR

Jim Brown wrote:
 On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:32:12 -0400, Don Wilhelm wrote:

   
 An isolation transformer *does* isolate the neutral (and the hot), 
 

 NO! This is a summary of NEC (National Electric Code) requirements: The 
 NEUTRAL of a transformer on the secondary side MUST be bonded to the 
 equipment ground (steel conduit, the green wire, building structure, etc), 
 and that green wire must be carried from the breaker panel to each outlet and 
 to the transformer.  The neutral conductor that feeds the primary side of the 
 transformer must be bonded to ground at the service for the building (that 
 is, the main breaker panel). And, as we all know, all groundes must be bonded 
 together. Thus, an isolation transformer does NOT isolate either the neutral 
 or the equipment ground. 

 What an isolation transformer DOES do is reduce the voltage between neutral 
 and ground to zero. It also shortens the return path for leakage currents on 
 the green wire -- they now return to that transformer, not to the more 
 distant breaker panel at the service entrance. This has the potential to 
 reduce noise current on the shield of signal cables. BUT -- the simple 
 bonding regimen outlined in my Ham Interfacing Power Point is a MUCH less 
 expensive AND more effective solution. 

 73,

 Jim Brown K9YC
   

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[Elecraft] oscarv...@speedy.com.ar

2010-03-27 Thread oscarvais
I need to connect my amplifier fl2100z with K3, direct connect to key out  to 
RY the amp FL2100Z or I have to put a relay, please i need help and thank you 
very much.-

LU1XS, Oscar
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[Elecraft] scopeing filters for eventual diversity receive.

2010-03-27 Thread Richard Hill
I'm planning to install a sub receiver eventually.  Now I need a CW 
filter.  I'm considering buying two now, matched, with the second for 
later use with the sub receiver.

I understand that the 5-pole filters need to be matched, but have the 
impression that the 8-pole filters do not.

Is that right?  If so, I only need to buy one filter now.

Thanks
Rich
NU6T

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[Elecraft] Let's all play scrabble...

2010-03-27 Thread John Ragle

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[Elecraft] (no subject)

2010-03-27 Thread John Ragle
  Har, har, Tom...

Transitive Verb:

Infinitive
*to discretize*




Third person singular
*discretizes http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/discretizes*




Simple past
*discretized http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/discretized*




Past participle
*discretized http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/discretized*




Present participle
*discretizing http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/discretizing*

*to discretize* (/third-person singular simple present/ *discretizes 
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/discretizes*, /present participle/ 
*discretizing http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/discretizing*, /simple 
past and past participle/ *discretized 
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/discretized*)

This is not a New Age word at all. It refers to a process which has 
been taken from one with */continuous/* variables (variable capacitors, 
roller inductors) to one in which the L,C components are fixed, but 
relays switch from one discrete value to another, as in most automatic 
antenna tuners. ATUs are not discrete (can any of them keep a secret?) 
but rather discretized --  big difference. I think you need a new 
dictionary.

My vocabulary training took place in a very conservative (not-quite) 
one-room school house many many years ago. Although we didn't use Horn 
Books, we did practice Palmer Penmanship (which I hated). I graduated 
from high school in 1950.

I might add that the Fast Fourier Transform, which is so important in 
communications and with which you are doubtless familiar, is a species 
of DFT, discretized Fourier Transform, where the integral sign of a 
normal FT is replaced by a summation sign, and the signal is chopped up 
into small but finite bits. To call it a discrete FT again risks 
wondering about its ability to keep secrets.  ;-)
 
There doesn't seem to be a word that refers to the reverse process, but 
it would be something like continuous-ized if it did exist (which it 
doesn't, thankfully).

73,

JLR

==


Radio Amateur N5GE wrote:
 On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 21:25:45 -0400, John Ragle tpcj1...@crocker.com
 wrote:

 Dr. Ragle,

 What does the word discretized mean?  I looked in the dictionary and
 can't find it.  Is it one of those new ized/tized words that buzz
 word users are so fond of now days?

 Wouldn't it be easier and more concise to type discrete?

 TOM, N5GE BT

 73 ES GUD LUK
 AR DE N5GE SK 
   

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[Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net cancelled

2010-03-27 Thread phils

The CQ WPX contest will probably make the band conditions pretty
lousy for the net tomorrow.  Therefore, the net will not be run this
week.  We will meet again on Sunday, April 4, 2010 at 1800Z on 14.314
MHz.  Have a good contest, or whatever you do. 

73,  

Phil, NS7P
 
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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) Isolation Transfomer Bonding

2010-03-27 Thread Paul Christensen
This is one of those areas where the term isolation transformer can take 
on a different meaning and conform to a different set of compliance 
standards, depending on whether it's located before or after a receptacle.

UL 1950 appears to allow for full isolation of the neutral on the isolation 
transformer's secondary where the iso-transformer is used after a 
receptacle.

By contrast, isolation transformers used on feeder or branch circuits on the 
NEC side of power distribution require that neutral and ground be bonded 
at the transformer secondary.   This is known as a separately-derived power 
source.   When such source is created by the iso-transformer, this is the 
only other instance allowed by the NEC where neutral and ground are bonded 
beyond the Xo ground at the service entrance panel.  The IEEE Emerald Book 
repeatedly discusses a reduction in common-mode noise when the secondary's 
neutral and ground are bonded.

This is my take after reading applicable portions of the NEC, UL 1950 and 
IEEE Emerald Book (2005 Sec. 9.9.5 and 10.4.2.1).  I'll concede that my 
thoughts on this may not be correct.

Paul, W9AC

- Original Message - 
From: Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com
To: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com
Cc: Elecraft List elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (OT) Grounding Mat


 But Jim,

 The secondary of an isolation transformer is fully isolated - i.e.
 floating AC.  The fact that the neutral of the transformer input side is
 bonded to the green wire ground is quite a different thing.  A proper
 isolation transformer has no relationship to neutral on the secondary
 side - only the safety ground and the voltage across the secondary 
 winding.

 Remember the old AC/DC receivers that had one side of the AC line tied
 to the chassis!  Every proper service bench had an isolation transformer
 during that era.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 Jim Brown wrote:
 On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:32:12 -0400, Don Wilhelm wrote:


 An isolation transformer *does* isolate the neutral (and the hot),


 NO! This is a summary of NEC (National Electric Code) requirements: The
 NEUTRAL of a transformer on the secondary side MUST be bonded to the
 equipment ground (steel conduit, the green wire, building structure, 
 etc),
 and that green wire must be carried from the breaker panel to each outlet 
 and
 to the transformer.  The neutral conductor that feeds the primary side of 
 the
 transformer must be bonded to ground at the service for the building 
 (that
 is, the main breaker panel). And, as we all know, all groundes must be 
 bonded
 together. Thus, an isolation transformer does NOT isolate either the 
 neutral
 or the equipment ground.

 What an isolation transformer DOES do is reduce the voltage between 
 neutral
 and ground to zero. It also shortens the return path for leakage currents 
 on
 the green wire -- they now return to that transformer, not to the more
 distant breaker panel at the service entrance. This has the potential to
 reduce noise current on the shield of signal cables. BUT -- the simple
 bonding regimen outlined in my Ham Interfacing Power Point is a MUCH less
 expensive AND more effective solution.

 73,

 Jim Brown K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] scopeing filters for eventual diversity receive.

2010-03-27 Thread Ed Muns
 I understand that the 5-pole filters need to be matched, but 
 have the impression that the 8-pole filters do not.
 
 Is that right?  If so, I only need to buy one filter now

The 8-pole filters are described as having a nominal 0 offset and do not
need to be matched for diversity.  However, my 400Hz 8-poles are offset by
as much at 80Hz.  The ordering page doesn't provide for matching 8-pole
filters.  This is only an issue for the narrow filters and only if the
offset delta between the two filters is greater than 10-20Hz.  If two 8-pole
filters are offset, say, +60Hz and +80Hz, then you configure both for an
offset of +70Hz and will be fine for diversity receive.

Ed - W0YK
---
Ed Muns
Muns Vineyard - www.munsvineyard.com 
FaceBook - www.facebook.com/munsvineyard 

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Re: [Elecraft] oscarv...@speedy.com.ar

2010-03-27 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

Oscar, 

Looking at the FL-2100z schematic (*** NOT *** the original 
FL-2100B) shows that the relay line is about +18V DC.  You 
should be able to use Key Out directly but since there 
are multiple relays involved, I would recommend a buffer 
like the Ameritron ARB-804 or an intermediate relay for 
safety.  

Note: the original FL-2100 and FL-2100B had negative voltage 
on their key line and require a relay/buffer when used with 
the K3. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 



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 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
 oscarv...@speedy.com.ar
 Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 4:41 PM
 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] oscarv...@speedy.com.ar
 
 
 I need to connect my amplifier fl2100z with K3, direct 
 connect to key out  to RY the amp FL2100Z or I have to put a 
 relay, please i need help and thank you very much.-
 
 LU1XS, Oscar 
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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) Grounding Mat

2010-03-27 Thread Jim Brown
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:09:36 -0400, Tom W8JI wrote:

 NO! This is a summary of NEC (National Electric Code) 
 requirements: The
 NEUTRAL of a transformer on the secondary side MUST be 
 bonded to the
 equipment ground (steel conduit, the green wire, building 
 structure, etc),
 and that green wire must be carried from the breaker panel 
 to each outlet and
 to the transformer.  The neutral conductor that feeds the 
 primary side of the
 transformer must be bonded to ground at the service for 
 the building (that
 is, the main breaker panel). And, as we all know, all 
 groundes must be bonded
 together. Thus, an isolation transformer does NOT isolate 
 either the neutral
 or the equipment ground.

I wonder when that changed? All of my isolation 
transformers, probably manufactured in the 70's or 80's, 
float the mains terminals on the load side. We used them all 
the time working on AC/DC radios and I still use them now 
working on SMPS. Only the case and safety grounds are 
grounded. 

I have some UTC or Triads like that too. You can probably get 
away with using them on a service bench, but an electrical 
inspector would red tag you if you tried to install them 
without bonding the neutral. If I'm not mistaken, there also 
needs to be a breaker or fuse somewhere. 

73,

Jim K9YC



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Re: [Elecraft] (no subject)

2010-03-27 Thread Bill W4ZV


Radio Amateur N5GE wrote:

 What does the word discretized mean? 

I always consult The World's Foremost Authority for such questions:

http://www.videosurf.com/video/professor-irwin-corey-at-the-cutting-room-nyc-53354277

:-)

73,  Bill
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Re: [Elecraft] scopeing filters for eventual diversity receive.

2010-03-27 Thread Jim Brown
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:09:02 -0700, Ed Muns wrote:

However, my 400Hz 8-poles are offset by as much at 80Hz.  

I've observed that too. 

73,

Jim K9YC



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Re: [Elecraft] scopeing filters for eventual diversity receive.

2010-03-27 Thread Radio Amateur N5GE
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:09:02 -0700, Ed Muns w...@msn.com wrote:

I matched all of my 8 pole filters by using the NGEN noise generator
and setting them for matching white noise pitch.

It seemed to work for me.

TOM, N5GE BT

73 ES GUD LUK
AR DE N5GE SK

[snip]

The 8-pole filters are described as having a nominal 0 offset and do not
need to be matched for diversity.  However, my 400Hz 8-poles are offset by
as much at 80Hz.  The ordering page doesn't provide for matching 8-pole
filters.  This is only an issue for the narrow filters and only if the
offset delta between the two filters is greater than 10-20Hz.  If two 8-pole
filters are offset, say, +60Hz and +80Hz, then you configure both for an
offset of +70Hz and will be fine for diversity receive.

Ed - W0YK
[snip]

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Re: [Elecraft] oscarv...@speedy.com.ar

2010-03-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
Oscar,

I don't know the specifics of your particular amplifier - BUT -
The K3 KEYOUT  can handle up to 200 volts DC (positive only) at 5 Amperes.

You can easily measure the requirements of any amplifier with a DMM.  
First set it to read voltage and measure the open circuit voltage (to 
the amplifier ground) from your amplifier KeyIn (or PTT IN or whatever 
it is labeled).  If that voltage is positive and less than 200 volts, 
check one passes.
Then configure your DMM to read current.  Connect the positive probe to 
the center conductor of the amplifier KeyIn jack and touch the negative 
probe to ground (that should operate the relay in the amplifier).  If 
the current is less than 5 Amps and the voltage test succeeded, then the 
K3 can key that amplifier.

73,
Don W3FPR

oscarv...@speedy.com.ar wrote:
 I need to connect my amplifier fl2100z with K3, direct connect to key out  to 
 RY the amp FL2100Z or I have to put a relay, please i need help and thank you 
 very much.-

 LU1XS, Oscar
   
   
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Re: [Elecraft] (no subject)

2010-03-27 Thread Radio Amateur N5GE
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:21:07 -0800 (PST), Bill W4ZV
btipp...@alum.mit.edu wrote:

Interesting.  It's not found in the Oxford English Dictionary,
http://www.oup.com/, which I believe is the standard.  It appears in
Wikipedia which anyone can add content to...

Thanks for the link to the Professor Irwin stuff, Bill.

Sorry about the off topic thread.  My email to Dr. Ragle was intended
to be private, but he did not see it that way.

My apologies to all.



Radio Amateur N5GE wrote:

 What does the word discretized mean? 

I always consult The World's Foremost Authority for such questions:

http://www.videosurf.com/video/professor-irwin-corey-at-the-cutting-room-nyc-53354277

:-)

73,  Bill

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[Elecraft] New K144XV installed

2010-03-27 Thread K5WA
As an admitted Elecraft junkie, I just had to add the K144XV to one of my
K3s to see what it would do.  This K3 is now maxed out with everything you
can put in this little box except for the crystal oven.  Even though the
instructions had construction points to assemble the K144XV, I found most of
those steps were already done for me and I had to do very little in the way
of assembling the K144XV itself.  There was an errata sheet in the K144XV
kit, but the page numbers didn't match up and I basically disregarded the
errata sheet...it STILL worked.  I am happily able to cruise around making
QSOs on 2M now and will be ready for a VHF contest one of these days.

 

Thanks again Elecraft for another elegant solution.  I can't wait for the
P3!  ;-)

 

Bob K5WA

  

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Re: [Elecraft] (no subject)

2010-03-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
OK, this has caused me to consult the American Heritage Dictionary, and 
it defines 'discrete' as 1) Constituting a separate thing; individual; 
distinct. 2) Consisting of unconnected distinct parts.

I believe the secret implication is caused by confusion with the 
adjetive 'discreet' - Having or showing a judicious reserve in one's 
speech or behavior. (but not necessarily 'secret').

So my study tells me that discrete is a perfectly good term for 
describing digital samples of a signal, they are each a separate thing - 
we do not have to remember 'discretized' or whatever that strange word was.

73,
Don W3FPR

Radio Amateur N5GE wrote:
 On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:21:07 -0800 (PST), Bill W4ZV
 btipp...@alum.mit.edu wrote:

 Interesting.  It's not found in the Oxford English Dictionary,
 http://www.oup.com/, which I believe is the standard.  It appears in
 Wikipedia which anyone can add content to...

 Thanks for the link to the Professor Irwin stuff, Bill.

 Sorry about the off topic thread.  My email to Dr. Ragle was intended
 to be private, but he did not see it that way.

 My apologies to all.

   
 Radio Amateur N5GE wrote:

 
 What does the word discretized mean? 
   
 I always consult The World's Foremost Authority for such questions:

 http://www.videosurf.com/video/professor-irwin-corey-at-the-cutting-room-nyc-53354277

 :-)

 73,  Bill
 

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[Elecraft] Grounding Mat Chatter

2010-03-27 Thread kf4by
Hi Guys,

I've never posted to this group before but I decided to put in my 2 cents 
regarding the Grounding Mat discussions.  Seems all y'all making this way too 
scientific..but maybe I'm missing something

For a grounding mat I simply used the anti-static bag the RF board was packaged 
in.  I clipped my wrist strap to it until the radio grew to be a chassis.  At 
that time I clipped the wrist strap to the chassis but kept the mat in 
place.  All sub-assembly components were unwrapped on the mat.  Hence 
everything was the same potential.

The result:  I didn't spend money on a mat I would only occasionally use and 
#3995 is performing flawlessly.  I guess you might call it the mid-west farm 
boy approach, make due with what you have.

Lots of smart folks on this reflector and I really enjoy the technical chatter.

73, 
Stan, KF4BY

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[Elecraft] discretize...

2010-03-27 Thread John Ragle
Try using google:

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,180,000 for numerical discretization.

There are lots of words that are not in common lay usage but which 
nevertheless exist and are functional parts of the English language.

Come on, guys, get a life!

John Ragle -- W1ZI
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[Elecraft] (no subject)

2010-03-27 Thread John Ragle
discrete vs discreet -- lads, it were a joke...
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Re: [Elecraft] Grounding Mat Chatter

2010-03-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
Stan,

Welcome to the Elecraft reflector.

Your techniques may have been just fine, but only time will tell.  The 
insidious thing about ESD is that it can partially damage components, 
which shortens their life.  The fact that they do not fail immediately 
does not mean that your anti-static measures were effective.

The use of both a wrist strap and an anti-static mat is highly 
recommended by Elecraft - what more can I say, it is like an insurance 
policy.
Each will have to make their own decisions and take their own chances.   
Ask yourself how much you are willing to gamble on your K3 investment? 
and then you will have your individual answer to whether to invest in an 
anti-static mat or not.

My goal is to provide prospective K3 builders with information like the 
above.  For myself, I work on other hams gear, so I would be remiss if I 
did not use a good anti-static mat on the workbench.

73,
Don W3FPR

kf4by wrote:
 Hi Guys,

 I've never posted to this group before but I decided to put in my 2 cents 
 regarding the Grounding Mat discussions.  Seems all y'all making this way too 
 scientific..but maybe I'm missing something

 For a grounding mat I simply used the anti-static bag the RF board was 
 packaged in.  I clipped my wrist strap to it until the radio grew to be a 
 chassis.  At that time I clipped the wrist strap to the chassis but kept the 
 mat in place.  All sub-assembly components were unwrapped on the mat.  
 Hence everything was the same potential.

 The result:  I didn't spend money on a mat I would only occasionally use and 
 #3995 is performing flawlessly.  I guess you might call it the mid-west farm 
 boy approach, make due with what you have.

 Lots of smart folks on this reflector and I really enjoy the technical 
 chatter.

 73, 
 Stan, KF4BY
   

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[Elecraft] (no subject)

2010-03-27 Thread John Ragle
Differences between discrete and discretize: Latter is a transitive verb 
belonging to the engineering/mathematics/physics world (and perhaps 
beyond). It would be difficult to discrete something. To Discrete 
does not exist as a transitive verb.

Your intent may have been to comment privately, but it didn't come out 
that way...all your persiflage went out on the reflector, and its intent 
was clearly to embarrass. Using the reflector to make fun of something 
you may not understand is pretty bad form, but more important than that, 
your sport-making interfered with a point with which I was trying to 
help a list participant.

The point is that when one designs an automatic ATU without servos (like 
the old Collins AN/ART-13), one is pretty much stuck with discretized 
components. The ATUs for the K2/K3 are carefully designed, whereas the 
discrete components in some other commercial automatic ATUs are not as 
carefully chosen. The K3 ATU is not an option I would forgo, 
particularly if I were considering mobile operation.

JLR


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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

2010-03-27 Thread Kevin Rock
Good Evening,
   Nothing like cutting, hauling, splitting, and stacking a face cord of wood 
to show yourself you are out of shape!  Five t-shirts later I have a goodly 
pile of wood and have just finished dinner.  The sun has set but I may be 
asleep before it gets dark.  Luckily I have enough wood to make it to the next 
sunny day.  I was surprised yesterday morning by about one half an inch of 
snow.  I was working away at this computer when it grew light outside.  The 
ground did not look quite right.  I walked out onto the deck and saw snow!  
Good Grief!  It is spring but not up here.  I looked into my forecast and found 
another snow storm coming on Tuesday night.  On further review I find they have 
pulled that prediction.  However, I shall not cross my fingers nor hold my 
breath.  I am ready for another month of gloom and drizzle.  
   Propagation, on the other hand, has been most gracious.  Only a little QSB 
to contend with but signal strength has been quite good.  Now that I have a rig 
at my electronics/software design bench I can monitor the bands all day long.  
I noticed a dichotomy: folks who use voice seem to talk about their rigs and 
antennas far more than those who use CW.  Why?  The CW folks talk about all 
sorts of things and occasionally their rigs.  I heard two guys on 17 meters SSB 
go on for half an hour about rigs and antennas.  Luckily I was busy soldering 
or else I would have fallen asleep ;)  I turned around and spun the dial to far 
lower in the band to get to the CW portion.  I got two guys talking about elk 
and snow conditions; now that's ragchewing :)  I went back to my soldering much 
happier.
  Please notice I pushed the 40 meter net one hour later than it has been 
lately.  Now that the sun is staying up longer due to the change in season and 
the effect of daylight savings time coming into effect the propagation was not 
so hot.  Moving it later should put the net after local sundown and allow for 
better propagation across the continent.  Hopefully the folks out east will not 
find this time too late for their schedules.  We shall see how it goes.   

Please join us tomorrow evening.
 
1) Hail signs  (first letter or two of the suffix of your call)
2) NCS help  (as well as QSP/QNP relay help)
 
Sunday 2200z (Sunday 3 PM PDT) 14050 kHz
Monday z (Sunday 5 PM PDT)  7045 kHz
 
   Stay warm,
  Kevin.  KD5ONS
 
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Re: [Elecraft] (no subject)

2010-03-27 Thread Alan D. Wilcox
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discretized  - a wonderful source of 
information.


Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX   (K2-5373, K3-40)
570-321-1516
http://WilcoxEngineering.com
Williamsport, PA 17701 



Bill W4ZV wrote:

Radio Amateur N5GE wrote:

  
What does the word discretized mean? 



I always consult The World's Foremost Authority for such questions:

http://www.videosurf.com/video/professor-irwin-corey-at-the-cutting-room-nyc-53354277

:-)

73,  Bill
  
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Re: [Elecraft] discretize...

2010-03-27 Thread David Christ
With so many words in the English language I wonder why some of the 
new ones are coined.  I am not an expert on FFT and higher math, but 
would someone please explain to me what discretize signifies that is 
not covered by quantize.  Some definitions of quantize follow.

Quantize - approximate (a signal varying continuously in amplitude) 
by one whose amplitude is restricted to a prescribed set of discrete 
values

Quantization - In digital signal processing, quantization is the 
process of approximating (mapping) a continuous range of values (or 
a very large set of possible discrete values) by a relatively small 
(finite) set of (values which can still take on continuous range) 
discrete symbols or integer values. ...

Just an old vacuum tube guy trying to understand the new world better

David K0LUM



At 9:04 PM -0400 3/27/10, John Ragle wrote:
Try using google:

 Results 1 - 10 of about 2,180,000 for numerical discretization.

There are lots of words that are not in common lay usage but which
nevertheless exist and are functional parts of the English language.

Come on, guys, get a life!

John Ragle -- W1ZI
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Re: [Elecraft] oscarv...@speedy.com.ar

2010-03-27 Thread Tom W8JI
Watch out using a steady-state meter to measure amplifier 
currents! The 2100Z is a good example of a very odd circuit.

The FL2100Z has positive relay voltage. It has a peak relay 
closure current surge of about 500-600 mA (that settles 
lower) and about 16-18 volts open circuit without much 
backpulse. It should be good for direct keying with the 
Elecraft K3 if the K3 will take 5 amps.

The regular FL2100 has negative relay voltage. No good on 
the FL2100.



 oscarv...@speedy.com.ar wrote:
 I need to connect my amplifier fl2100z with K3, direct 
 connect to key out  to RY the amp FL2100Z or I have to 
 put a relay, please i need help and thank you very much.-

 LU1XS, Oscar


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Re: [Elecraft] oscarv...@speedy.com.ar

2010-03-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
Tom,

You are correct, peak currents are difficult for the average amateur to 
measure.  So perhaps a rule of thumb might be that the steady-state 
current should be no higher than 500 ma. would be good for the K3 - I 
doubt that peak currents would exceed 5 A if there is only 500 ma 
steady-state.  I realize that is a dangerous statement, because 
exceptions could occur, and I have no proof that a 10x safety factor is 
a good one.

For the understanding of all (I know Tom understands this) - the peaks 
(both voltage and current) are important for solid state devices - many 
will be damaged if the peak values are exceeded even for an instant.  In 
the days of vacuum tubes we did not worry as much about it because they 
could come through such peaks unscathed - solid state devices are not as 
forgiving.  As we used to say the transistor will protect the fuse - 
think about that - it is often fact.

73,
Don W3FPR

Tom W8JI wrote:
 Watch out using a steady-state meter to measure amplifier 
 currents! The 2100Z is a good example of a very odd circuit.

 The FL2100Z has positive relay voltage. It has a peak relay 
 closure current surge of about 500-600 mA (that settles 
 lower) and about 16-18 volts open circuit without much 
 backpulse. It should be good for direct keying with the 
 Elecraft K3 if the K3 will take 5 amps.

 The regular FL2100 has negative relay voltage. No good on 
 the FL2100.

   

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Re: [Elecraft] (no subject)

2010-03-27 Thread Alan D. Wilcox
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discretized  - a wonderful source of
information.

Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX   (K2-5373, K3-40)
570-321-1516
http://WilcoxEngineering.com
Williamsport, PA 17701


Bill W4ZV wrote:
 Radio Amateur N5GE wrote:

   
 What does the word discretized mean? 
 

 I always consult The World's Foremost Authority for such questions:

 http://www.videosurf.com/video/professor-irwin-corey-at-the-cutting-room-nyc-53354277

 :-)

 73,  Bill
   

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Re: [Elecraft] discretize...

2010-03-27 Thread Kok Chen

On Mar 27, 2010, at 7:13 PM, David Christ wrote:

 I am not an expert on FFT and higher math, but 
 would someone please explain to me what discretize signifies that is 
 not covered by quantize.

The word discrete in DFT refers to discrete time samples, and not to the 
quantization of the samples into finite amplitude levels.  I.e., unlike the 
Fourier Transform, the input of a DFT is not a continuous function but defined 
only at discrete points, 0, T, 2T, ...(n-1)T.

Although it often is used that way, the input to a forward DFT does not have to 
be in the time domain -- the DFT is useful for other things than just 
estimating the spectrum of a time series.  A common example is the use of DFT 
to compute the discrete cepstrum of a signal.

References: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrete_Fourier_transform
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cepstrum 

73
Chen, W7AY

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[Elecraft] 5 watt calibration fails - help

2010-03-27 Thread Alfred Frugoli
Hello everyone,

Putting together K3 SN 4094, and running into the following problem when
trying to complete the 5 watt transmitter calibration procedure from within
the K3 Utility.  Please see text below for the response from the K3
Utility.  Any thoughts?  As you can see, I tried running the calibration
process a few times, and each time I reached the same result - although in
different places.

Starting 5 watt calibration
Calibrating at 1.900 MHz
Calibrating at 3.750 MHz
Calibrating at 5.366 MHz
IsSamplingComplete: Unexpected response DS1\xB0I\x90\x80; to DS;
State 153
Calibration power settled at   5.2 W ;
5 watt calibration failed
Elapsed time: 12 seconds
Starting 5 watt calibration
Calibrating at 1.900 MHz
Calibrating at 3.750 MHz
IsSamplingComplete: Unexpected response DS1\xB0I\x80\x80; to DS;
State 153
Calibration power settled at   5.2 W ;
5 watt calibration failed
Elapsed time: 11 seconds
Starting 5 watt calibration
Calibrating at 1.900 MHz
IsSamplingComplete: Unexpected response DS1\xB0I\x80\x80; to DS;
State 153
Calibration power settled at   5.2 W ;
5 watt calibration failed
Elapsed time: 6 seconds
Starting 5 watt calibration
Calibrating at 1.900 MHz
Calibrating at 3.750 MHz
IsSamplingComplete: Unexpected response DS1\xB0I\x80\x80; to DS;
State 153
Calibration power settled at   5.2 W ;
5 watt calibration failed
Elapsed time: 12 seconds

73 de Al, KE1FO

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Re: [Elecraft] 5 watt calibration fails - help

2010-03-27 Thread Alfred Frugoli
Forgot to mention in my original post, the rig was shipped with the most
recent firmware already installed (MCU 3.79/DSP 2.54)*.*
*
*73 de Al, KE1FO

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On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Alfred Frugoli ke...@arrl.net wrote:

 Hello everyone,

 Putting together K3 SN 4094, and running into the following problem when
 trying to complete the 5 watt transmitter calibration procedure from within
 the K3 Utility.  Please see text below for the response from the K3
 Utility.  Any thoughts?  As you can see, I tried running the calibration
 process a few times, and each time I reached the same result - although in
 different places.

 Starting 5 watt calibration
 Calibrating at 1.900 MHz
 Calibrating at 3.750 MHz
 Calibrating at 5.366 MHz
 IsSamplingComplete: Unexpected response DS1\xB0I\x90\x80; to DS;
 State 153
 Calibration power settled at   5.2 W ;
 5 watt calibration failed
 Elapsed time: 12 seconds
 Starting 5 watt calibration
 Calibrating at 1.900 MHz
 Calibrating at 3.750 MHz
 IsSamplingComplete: Unexpected response DS1\xB0I\x80\x80; to DS;
 State 153
 Calibration power settled at   5.2 W ;
 5 watt calibration failed
 Elapsed time: 11 seconds
 Starting 5 watt calibration
 Calibrating at 1.900 MHz
 IsSamplingComplete: Unexpected response DS1\xB0I\x80\x80; to DS;
 State 153
 Calibration power settled at   5.2 W ;
 5 watt calibration failed
 Elapsed time: 6 seconds
 Starting 5 watt calibration
 Calibrating at 1.900 MHz
 Calibrating at 3.750 MHz
 IsSamplingComplete: Unexpected response DS1\xB0I\x80\x80; to DS;
 State 153
 Calibration power settled at   5.2 W ;
 5 watt calibration failed
 Elapsed time: 12 seconds

 73 de Al, KE1FO

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Re: [Elecraft] oscarv...@speedy.com.ar

2010-03-27 Thread Oscar Vais
Hi! Friend,

Thank you very much for  information I'm trying my k3 a week ago, I'm happy 
with this toy .-

good life friend

LU1XS, Oscar
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From: Tom W8JI w...@w8ji.com
To: d...@w3fpr.com; oscarv...@speedy.com.ar
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] oscarv...@speedy.com.ar


 Watch out using a steady-state meter to measure amplifier currents! The 
 2100Z is a good example of a very odd circuit.

 The FL2100Z has positive relay voltage. It has a peak relay closure 
 current surge of about 500-600 mA (that settles lower) and about 16-18 
 volts open circuit without much backpulse. It should be good for direct 
 keying with the Elecraft K3 if the K3 will take 5 amps.

 The regular FL2100 has negative relay voltage. No good on the FL2100.



 oscarv...@speedy.com.ar wrote:
 I need to connect my amplifier fl2100z with K3, direct connect to key 
 out  to RY the amp FL2100Z or I have to put a relay, please i need help 
 and thank you very much.-

 LU1XS, Oscar


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Re: [Elecraft] 5 watt calibration fails - help

2010-03-27 Thread Brett Howard
Make sure you're not in TX TEST mode

~Brett

On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 23:28 -0400, Alfred Frugoli wrote:
 Hello everyone,
 
 Putting together K3 SN 4094, and running into the following problem when
 trying to complete the 5 watt transmitter calibration procedure from within
 the K3 Utility.  Please see text below for the response from the K3
 Utility.  Any thoughts?  As you can see, I tried running the calibration
 process a few times, and each time I reached the same result - although in
 different places.
 
 Starting 5 watt calibration
 Calibrating at 1.900 MHz
 Calibrating at 3.750 MHz
 Calibrating at 5.366 MHz
 IsSamplingComplete: Unexpected response DS1\xB0I\x90\x80; to DS;
 State 153
 Calibration power settled at   5.2 W ;
 5 watt calibration failed
 Elapsed time: 12 seconds
 Starting 5 watt calibration
 Calibrating at 1.900 MHz
 Calibrating at 3.750 MHz
 IsSamplingComplete: Unexpected response DS1\xB0I\x80\x80; to DS;
 State 153
 Calibration power settled at   5.2 W ;
 5 watt calibration failed
 Elapsed time: 11 seconds
 Starting 5 watt calibration
 Calibrating at 1.900 MHz
 IsSamplingComplete: Unexpected response DS1\xB0I\x80\x80; to DS;
 State 153
 Calibration power settled at   5.2 W ;
 5 watt calibration failed
 Elapsed time: 6 seconds
 Starting 5 watt calibration
 Calibrating at 1.900 MHz
 Calibrating at 3.750 MHz
 IsSamplingComplete: Unexpected response DS1\xB0I\x80\x80; to DS;
 State 153
 Calibration power settled at   5.2 W ;
 5 watt calibration failed
 Elapsed time: 12 seconds
 
 73 de Al, KE1FO
 
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[Elecraft] KXV144 Question

2010-03-27 Thread jmalloy
Hi, folks, I just installed the KXV144 in my K3 and all went smoothly -- 
it even works, after a fashion.  I have this one teensy problem...

...it's not transmitting on the frequency (simplex) it says it's on.

I know about setting ALT for -/+ or simplex, I've got the ADR set to 
internal transverter, power and all other settings are nominal and the 
frequency offsets for 144 and 146 Mhz are entered...

...but it still not transmitting right.  What could I be overlooking?

(By the way, in receives very nicely!  After I get this problem solved 
I'll start looking down around 144 Mhz.)

Many thanks!

73,

Joe, W2RBA

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Remote Power On/Off Ideas

2010-03-27 Thread dw
If your PC has a centronics printer output, you could setup a
photo-isolator switch.
Then build a Free-Basic executable to toggle it from the web?
There are LED-photo-isolator switches that will handle 120VAC also.
Just a thought

N1BBR
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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) American made

2010-03-27 Thread Fred Jensen
Kevin Rock wrote:
 That motto was attributed to the SeaBees (Construction Battalion).  They 
 could kluge anything while under fire.  If they were not getting shot at they 
 got bored :)
Kevin.  KD5ONS (whose father navigated to more than one of their strips 
 across the vast Pacific)

I've heard the motto, The difficult we do immediately, the impossible 
will take us a day or two longer, attributed to the SeeBees, Marines, 
Army Rangers, Navy EOD, two Special Ops units, and my former unit, USAF 
1st Combat Comm Gp.  I know it applied to us, don't know about the 
others ;-)

Fred K6DGW

KEVIN:  I need more time for radio, granddaughter's softball is 
consuming it all right now.  Will be in Elk Grove CA tomorrow during ECN.
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[Elecraft] Verbification

2010-03-27 Thread Fred Jensen
Don Wilhelm wrote:
 OK, this has caused me to consult the American Heritage Dictionary, and 
 it defines 'discrete' as 1) Constituting a separate thing; individual; 
 distinct. 2) Consisting of unconnected distinct parts.

Don't know what the problem is here, we hams have verbified, nounified, 
and adjectified Q-Signals since people on 75 at night would key on their 
1 KW AM transmitters with a relay clang you could still hear 
resonating in their shack as their signal first arrived at your receiver.

What's his QSX?
Man, the QRM is fierce tonight
You are being QRM'd by that stupid net a Kc below us
Are you sure P51DX's QRG is right?
Tom, you're way over Q5 tonight.

OK the last one is a combination of several, especially considering that 
the QSA scale goes from 1-5.  I presume 'way over Q5' is akin to 'bigger 
than infinity.'  But you probably get the idea.

Every time I set out to make my world-famous signature baked chicken, I 
start by 'discretizing' the dead bird.  It makes perfect sense to me, 
and if Webster doesn't agree, he can go pound sand, and I don't know 
Oxford.  I also fully understood the explanation of the turbo 
encabulator and don't know what the fuss is all about for that either.

My wife's birthday [1 Apr] approacheth rapidly, might want to brace 
yourselves in the well-known Skeptic's Position and check your back 
for a paper fish.

73,  Fred K6DGW
Auburn CA

Alright, it isn't world-famous but it is well-known in a small community 
a little north of Auburn, and I'll admit, signature is a stretch.
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