Backing up Exchange 5.5
We're trying to backup one in particular Exchange 5.5 server and we keep getting tons of corrupt file errors and we're told that we have a corrupt database. We use Veritas Backup Exec 8.6, we have an Outlook 2002 client loaded on the server because yes, we're doing brick level backups. We cannot get the online defrag to run it runs for a few minutes and then terminates I don't think it's really doing anything because it would take longer if it was. Is there a way to force an online defrag? I have tried over and over to convince my management to NOT do bricklevel backups but to no avail. So, since I'm forced to do them we need a better way to do them if there is a better way. We only back up the IS once a week if that and we've never backed up the pub.edb and priv.edb because you have to stop the services to truly back those files up. I've also tried to convince them to let us take it offline to perform offline defrags which will create new clean databases but in order to do so I'm told it will delete alot of messages any message that it thinks is corrupt and so they don't want to do that. This server is hanging on by a thread. Please help with any suggestions that you have other than Don't do bricklevel backups. So, is there anything we can do other than rebuilding this server? How do you backup the pub and priv without shutting down the services? We do not use the open file agent it's don't work and never has. Thanks, Karon Miller E-Mail Administrator Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin, LLP [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
What kind of errors are you getting in the Event Log? -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 We're trying to backup one in particular Exchange 5.5 server and we keep getting tons of corrupt file errors and we're told that we have a corrupt database. We use Veritas Backup Exec 8.6, we have an Outlook 2002 client loaded on the server because yes, we're doing brick level backups. We cannot get the online defrag to run it runs for a few minutes and then terminates I don't think it's really doing anything because it would take longer if it was. Is there a way to force an online defrag? I have tried over and over to convince my management to NOT do bricklevel backups but to no avail. So, since I'm forced to do them we need a better way to do them if there is a better way. We only back up the IS once a week if that and we've never backed up the pub.edb and priv.edb because you have to stop the services to truly back those files up. I've also tried to convince them to let us take it offline to perform offline defrags which will create new clean databases but in order to do so I'm told it will delete alot of messages any message that it thinks is corrupt and so they don't want to do that. This server is hanging on by a thread. Please help with any suggestions that you have other than Don't do bricklevel backups. So, is there anything we can do other than rebuilding this server? How do you backup the pub and priv without shutting down the services? We do not use the open file agent it's don't work and never has. Thanks, Karon Miller E-Mail Administrator Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin, LLP [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Brick-level backups are not protection against a store failure, just a convenience if you need to recover a mailbox or some content. Follow FAQ Appendix B and you don't need brick-level backups. What you didn't say was whether you back up the Information Store, not the store files. If you back up the Information Store, then you could perform a restore of the database from the time before you started having the problems. Whether you should do that depends on the errors you're getting, but you didn't provide sufficient detail for me to make such a recommendation, and I'm not sure that I'd make that kind of a recommendation in this forum in any case. Maybe your best bet is to call PSS. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Karon Miller Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 We're trying to backup one in particular Exchange 5.5 server and we keep getting tons of corrupt file errors and we're told that we have a corrupt database. We use Veritas Backup Exec 8.6, we have an Outlook 2002 client loaded on the server because yes, we're doing brick level backups. We cannot get the online defrag to run it runs for a few minutes and then terminates I don't think it's really doing anything because it would take longer if it was. Is there a way to force an online defrag? I have tried over and over to convince my management to NOT do bricklevel backups but to no avail. So, since I'm forced to do them we need a better way to do them if there is a better way. We only back up the IS once a week if that and we've never backed up the pub.edb and priv.edb because you have to stop the services to truly back those files up. I've also tried to convince them to let us take it offline to perform offline defrags which will create new clean databases but in order to do so I'm told it will delete alot of messages any message that it thinks is corrupt and so they don't want to do that. This server is hanging on by a thread. Please help with any suggestions that you have other than Don't do bricklevel backups. So, is there anything we can do other than rebuilding this server? How do you backup the pub and priv without shutting down the services? We do not use the open file agent it's don't work and never has. Thanks, Karon Miller E-Mail Administrator Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin, LLP [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Seems to me you asked these Q's long ago...but here's what I might do. 1.) The Open File agent - Will NOT work its not meant to for this 2.) You must have the exchange agent (which if your attempting BLB's you must have) 3.) Turn off the BLB 4.) Do a normal Backup in BE8.6 without BLB but all other exchange checked..it should run ok 5.) If I need BLB type stuff I would use Exmerge, write the INI file to do ALL the mailboxes and be sure I had enough HD space for all this stuff/pst's. 6.) After having these good backups...etc... I would use Ed's Server move method(which worked excellent and saved my butt) 7.) On the new server I would never use BLB in the BE8.6...sorry but it has never work reliably for ME... plus the reinforcement from those on this list with more exchange experience then me, confirms BLB=bad it's not what its cracked up to be...great idea..poor execution... 8.) If I continued to have short sited attorneys..etc...I would do the exmerge thing and NOT the BLB's thus I would have a good backup and my semi instant details in a PST, schedule this script one way or another.. 9.) Go out have a beer or sip some port... 2 cents, my way/opinion bill -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 10:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 We're trying to backup one in particular Exchange 5.5 server and we keep getting tons of corrupt file errors and we're told that we have a corrupt database. We use Veritas Backup Exec 8.6, we have an Outlook 2002 client loaded on the server because yes, we're doing brick level backups. We cannot get the online defrag to run it runs for a few minutes and then terminates I don't think it's really doing anything because it would take longer if it was. Is there a way to force an online defrag? I have tried over and over to convince my management to NOT do bricklevel backups but to no avail. So, since I'm forced to do them we need a better way to do them if there is a better way. We only back up the IS once a week if that and we've never backed up the pub.edb and priv.edb because you have to stop the services to truly back those files up. I've also tried to convince them to let us take it offline to perform offline defrags which will create new clean databases but in order to do so I'm told it will delete alot of messages any message that it thinks is corrupt and so they don't want to do that. This server is hanging on by a thread. Please help with any suggestions that you have other than Don't do bricklevel backups. So, is there anything we can do other than rebuilding this server? How do you backup the pub and priv without shutting down the services? We do not use the open file agent it's don't work and never has. Thanks, Karon Miller E-Mail Administrator Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin, LLP [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
When you install Exchange on a server, it automatically installs an exchange aware version of NTBackup (I'm guessing you're running on NT). Online defrags should be running automatically, look in the event logs for events that relate to that kind of operation. 1227 (I think) is one of them. I'd seriously consider going to www.microsoft.com/exchange and finding the Ex5.5 disaster recovery docs, and reading up on them. Drew Nicholson Technical Writer Network Engineer LAN Manager RapidApp 312-372-7188 (work) 312-543-0008 (cell) Born To Edit -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 We're trying to backup one in particular Exchange 5.5 server and we keep getting tons of corrupt file errors and we're told that we have a corrupt database. We use Veritas Backup Exec 8.6, we have an Outlook 2002 client loaded on the server because yes, we're doing brick level backups. We cannot get the online defrag to run it runs for a few minutes and then terminates I don't think it's really doing anything because it would take longer if it was. Is there a way to force an online defrag? I have tried over and over to convince my management to NOT do bricklevel backups but to no avail. So, since I'm forced to do them we need a better way to do them if there is a better way. We only back up the IS once a week if that and we've never backed up the pub.edb and priv.edb because you have to stop the services to truly back those files up. I've also tried to convince them to let us take it offline to perform offline defrags which will create new clean databases but in order to do so I'm told it will delete alot of messages any message that it thinks is corrupt and so they don't want to do that. This server is hanging on by a thread. Please help with any suggestions that you have other than Don't do bricklevel backups. So, is there anything we can do other than rebuilding this server? How do you backup the pub and priv without shutting down the services? We do not use the open file agent it's don't work and never has. Thanks, Karon Miller E-Mail Administrator Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin, LLP [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
If the only errors you are getting are related to Veritas BLBs reporting corrupt messages in Top of Information Store And not -1018 or other Exchange related database corruption reporting errors then I believe you should be looking at fixing the technical administration problems you are describing as opposed to restoring or rebuilding anything. I've got some down time coming up soon, be happy to engage in a consulting gig to do a review of your retention plans and policies as well as your disaster recovery plans. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions We're trying to backup one in particular Exchange 5.5 server and we keep getting tons of corrupt file errors and we're told that we have a corrupt database. We use Veritas Backup Exec 8.6, we have an Outlook 2002 client loaded on the server because yes, we're doing brick level backups. We cannot get the online defrag to run it runs for a few minutes and then terminates I don't think it's really doing anything because it would take longer if it was. Is there a way to force an online defrag? I have tried over and over to convince my management to NOT do bricklevel backups but to no avail. So, since I'm forced to do them we need a better way to do them if there is a better way. We only back up the IS once a week if that and we've never backed up the pub.edb and priv.edb because you have to stop the services to truly back those files up. I've also tried to convince them to let us take it offline to perform offline defrags which will create new clean databases but in order to do so I'm told it will delete alot of messages any message that it thinks is corrupt and so they don't want to do that. This server is hanging on by a thread. Please help with any suggestions that you have other than Don't do bricklevel backups. So, is there anything we can do other than rebuilding this server? How do you backup the pub and priv without shutting down the services? We do not use the open file agent it's don't work and never has. Thanks, Karon Miller E-Mail Administrator Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin, LLP [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
No from Veritas it's their enterprise product. Cheers Paul Standards are like toothbrushes, everyone wants one but not yours -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 05 October 2002 02:08 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Are u saying Netbackup from CA ? -Original Message- From: Hurst, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 10:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Try Netbackup works on Unix or NT. Cheers Paul Standards are like toothbrushes, everyone wants one but not yours -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 05 October 2002 03:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I was exposed recently to TSM Tivoli. I did about a 20-30 plus restores half of those from scratch. Nothing but net. Pardon the pun. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:36 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Try HP OmniBack II. Don't know the price but works just great. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 9:07 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 It's BrightStor , same under CA .. Is ArcServe 2000 really that bad ? I've just tried, and it turned out not too bad. On the middle of discussing want to purchase or not !! -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Brightwhore? Same crap. New name. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Fioon Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The information contained in this message or any of its attachments may be confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). Any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited without the express permission of the sender. The views expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily those of Sony or Sony affiliated companies. Sony email is for business use only. This email and any response may be monitored by Sony United Kingdom Limited. (6) *** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Brightwhore? Same crap. New name. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Fioon Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
It's BrightStor , same under CA .. Is ArcServe 2000 really that bad ? I've just tried, and it turned out not too bad. On the middle of discussing want to purchase or not !! -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Brightwhore? Same crap. New name. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Fioon Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Yeah I've got an opinion on Brightstore sure enough, but as many people operate filters on naughty words, I'll confine myself to stating that it does not meet my minimum quality and reliability standards for server software. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 05:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
-Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 09:07 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 It's BrightStor , same under CA .. Is ArcServe 2000 really that bad ? No. It's worse. I've just tried, and it turned out not too bad. On the middle of discussing want to purchase or not !! Ok, so it has a pretty looking backup routine. You can restore a few files from it. Now test if you can do a full disaster recovery bare metal server back to fully working with it. A surprisingly high number of people struggle to do this despite jumping through every hoop in the CA book. And the licencing doesn't work properly so prepare for lots of random failures to backup when the licence decides to fail because it's bored. Thanks to my boss, I had to use it for exchange and SQL backups in the past and it never ever worked properly to the point where I could trust it to work on backing things up unsupervised, and I never trusted it to restore properly either after many bad experiences. Robert Moir MS MVP IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue 0 0 rows returned _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Hi Robert, So then, what software are you using what is your current software max quality relibility can provide ? Maybe i can apply !! Thanks -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yeah I've got an opinion on Brightstore sure enough, but as many people operate filters on naughty words, I'll confine myself to stating that it does not meet my minimum quality and reliability standards for server software. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 05:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Hi Guys, Add me to the list of greivances.. Welcome to the club of arcserve victims. call them up.. particularly if you are a user from a country like Cyprus and they give you telephone numbers to all the centers in the world.. where you are greeted saying either.. well we dont have a support center here.. call this number ... or they send you a link to a page.. that is completely meaningless to the issue... Why do people still buy Arcserve... I am gonna suggest Veritas to the management ..Arcserve looses one more client. -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 11:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 09:07 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 It's BrightStor , same under CA .. Is ArcServe 2000 really that bad ? No. It's worse. I've just tried, and it turned out not too bad. On the middle of discussing want to purchase or not !! Ok, so it has a pretty looking backup routine. You can restore a few files from it. Now test if you can do a full disaster recovery bare metal server back to fully working with it. A surprisingly high number of people struggle to do this despite jumping through every hoop in the CA book. And the licencing doesn't work properly so prepare for lots of random failures to backup when the licence decides to fail because it's bored. Thanks to my boss, I had to use it for exchange and SQL backups in the past and it never ever worked properly to the point where I could trust it to work on backing things up unsupervised, and I never trusted it to restore properly either after many bad experiences. Robert Moir MS MVP IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue 0 0 rows returned _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Would you believe currently NTBackup - the windows 2000 version - on all the servers I run which are the backoffice stuff like SQL, Exhange, and DCs. There are a few other servers where we still use arcserve for simple file and print server backups. We plan to do a full evaluation of what is out there next year when our new budget period starts, and other than ditch arcserve, we have a fairly open mind about what to use instead. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 09:32 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi Robert, So then, what software are you using what is your current software max quality relibility can provide ? Maybe i can apply !! Thanks -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yeah I've got an opinion on Brightstore sure enough, but as many people operate filters on naughty words, I'll confine myself to stating that it does not meet my minimum quality and reliability standards for server software. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 05:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
That's the thing i've tried. Do a full backup , Disaster Recovery and then crash the server. Then restore from bare , it's working. Puzzle me ?? -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 09:07 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 It's BrightStor , same under CA .. Is ArcServe 2000 really that bad ? No. It's worse. I've just tried, and it turned out not too bad. On the middle of discussing want to purchase or not !! Ok, so it has a pretty looking backup routine. You can restore a few files from it. Now test if you can do a full disaster recovery bare metal server back to fully working with it. A surprisingly high number of people struggle to do this despite jumping through every hoop in the CA book. And the licencing doesn't work properly so prepare for lots of random failures to backup when the licence decides to fail because it's bored. Thanks to my boss, I had to use it for exchange and SQL backups in the past and it never ever worked properly to the point where I could trust it to work on backing things up unsupervised, and I never trusted it to restore properly either after many bad experiences. Robert Moir MS MVP IT Systems Engineer Luton Sixth Form College SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue 0 0 rows returned _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Do you still remember the difficulty that you made on ArcServe ? Wondering .. Thanks Fiooon -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Would you believe currently NTBackup - the windows 2000 version - on all the servers I run which are the backoffice stuff like SQL, Exhange, and DCs. There are a few other servers where we still use arcserve for simple file and print server backups. We plan to do a full evaluation of what is out there next year when our new budget period starts, and other than ditch arcserve, we have a fairly open mind about what to use instead. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 09:32 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi Robert, So then, what software are you using what is your current software max quality relibility can provide ? Maybe i can apply !! Thanks -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yeah I've got an opinion on Brightstore sure enough, but as many people operate filters on naughty words, I'll confine myself to stating that it does not meet my minimum quality and reliability standards for server software. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 05:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Nothing elaborate. We simply could not reliably restore from backup tapes it made. One or two times it worked, yes, but it seemed rather flakey to us. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 10:01 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Do you still remember the difficulty that you made on ArcServe ? Wondering .. Thanks Fiooon -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Would you believe currently NTBackup - the windows 2000 version - on all the servers I run which are the backoffice stuff like SQL, Exhange, and DCs. There are a few other servers where we still use arcserve for simple file and print server backups. We plan to do a full evaluation of what is out there next year when our new budget period starts, and other than ditch arcserve, we have a fairly open mind about what to use instead. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 09:32 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi Robert, So then, what software are you using what is your current software max quality relibility can provide ? Maybe i can apply !! Thanks -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yeah I've got an opinion on Brightstore sure enough, but as many people operate filters on naughty words, I'll confine myself to stating that it does not meet my minimum quality and reliability standards for server software. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 05:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
First to address Karons Issue of only backing up the mailboxes incase of a server crash.. you will notbe able to recover the priv and pub databases... so it is wise to backup atleast once the databases... so that in case there is a server crash you can first restore the database.. and then restore the mailboxes from the most recent backup the mailbox backups.. as far as I can recall cannot be used to restore a dead server with failed or corrupt databases. The second issue of Fioon being able to perfomr a full disaster recovery... and adding chorus to Robert's woes... we have a tape library and using arcserve for th ebackup.. yes I was able to perfomr a disaster recovery as well... but only for the local machine... and none of the network machines so far have been able to come back on the disaster recovery. Another thing... for the disaster recovery to work.. CA says that you have to make a full backup with the arcserve agent on the remote machine.. that is all that is needed they said to make the disaster recovery kit... MICROSOFT SAYS FOR THE EXCHANGE SERVER THE M: IS A VIRTUAL DRIVE AND DO NOT... REPEAT DO NOT ATTEMPT TO BACKUP OF PERFORM ANTIVIRUS SCANS CA HAS MENTIONED NOTHING ABOUT THAT SO FAR. POint number 2 noticed... though I succesfully staged the disaster recovery for the local machine on which the tape library is installed which incidentally hosts.. win 2k server note:WIN2K Server, at the time of the disaster recovery i was asked to pop in the CD for WIN2K ADVANCED SERVER Please pop in your win2K Advanced Server CD says the dialog box... Ok now me thinks that this is a typo error and instead doesnt want to listen to CA and pop in win2k server |CD instead... but the machine spits it out saying.. no way can I have that.. now be a good boy and pop in the advanced server CD... so I scramble my kit for the evaluation advanced server CD and pop it in thinking it aint gonna work either... but hey presto... it worked and there me completed the staging process of the disaster recovery, wondering if its Microsoft that more bizzare or ArcServe. and me still suspicious that Bill Gates might have bought some stocks for ArcServe. Anyways... no point boring you with my tragic story. But me is still working on resolving the issue of being able to perform remote disaster recovery.. If some one has done that please let me know... -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Do you still remember the difficulty that you made on ArcServe ? Wondering .. Thanks Fiooon -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Would you believe currently NTBackup - the windows 2000 version - on all the servers I run which are the backoffice stuff like SQL, Exhange, and DCs. There are a few other servers where we still use arcserve for simple file and print server backups. We plan to do a full evaluation of what is out there next year when our new budget period starts, and other than ditch arcserve, we have a fairly open mind about what to use instead. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 09:32 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi Robert, So then, what software are you using what is your current software max quality relibility can provide ? Maybe i can apply !! Thanks -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yeah I've got an opinion on Brightstore sure enough, but as many people operate filters on naughty words, I'll confine myself to stating that it does not meet my minimum quality and reliability standards for server software. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 05:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
ArcServe was not *that* bad. Well, maybe it is. I have not looked at Brightstor as an Exchange solution. Mostly because they refused to pay me to use it. But still neither will go near my Exchange servers. www.clarksupport.com/whynotca.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Fioon Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 1:07 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 It's BrightStor , same under CA .. Is ArcServe 2000 really that bad ? I've just tried, and it turned out not too bad. On the middle of discussing want to purchase or not !! -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Brightwhore? Same crap. New name. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Fioon Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Hi Muqeem, 1. What do u mean by network machines ? I did a DRecovery, once rebooted, it did come back to my network and log on to network . Thanks Fioon -Original Message- From: Muqeem Syed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 5:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Importance: High First to address Karons Issue of only backing up the mailboxes incase of a server crash.. you will notbe able to recover the priv and pub databases... so it is wise to backup atleast once the databases... so that in case there is a server crash you can first restore the database.. and then restore the mailboxes from the most recent backup the mailbox backups.. as far as I can recall cannot be used to restore a dead server with failed or corrupt databases. The second issue of Fioon being able to perfomr a full disaster recovery... and adding chorus to Robert's woes... we have a tape library and using arcserve for th ebackup.. yes I was able to perfomr a disaster recovery as well... but only for the local machine... and none of the network machines so far have been able to come back on the disaster recovery. Another thing... for the disaster recovery to work.. CA says that you have to make a full backup with the arcserve agent on the remote machine.. that is all that is needed they said to make the disaster recovery kit... MICROSOFT SAYS FOR THE EXCHANGE SERVER THE M: IS A VIRTUAL DRIVE AND DO NOT... REPEAT DO NOT ATTEMPT TO BACKUP OF PERFORM ANTIVIRUS SCANS CA HAS MENTIONED NOTHING ABOUT THAT SO FAR. POint number 2 noticed... though I succesfully staged the disaster recovery for the local machine on which the tape library is installed which incidentally hosts.. win 2k server note:WIN2K Server, at the time of the disaster recovery i was asked to pop in the CD for WIN2K ADVANCED SERVER Please pop in your win2K Advanced Server CD says the dialog box... Ok now me thinks that this is a typo error and instead doesnt want to listen to CA and pop in win2k server |CD instead... but the machine spits it out saying.. no way can I have that.. now be a good boy and pop in the advanced server CD... so I scramble my kit for the evaluation advanced server CD and pop it in thinking it aint gonna work either... but hey presto... it worked and there me completed the staging process of the disaster recovery, wondering if its Microsoft that more bizzare or ArcServe. and me still suspicious that Bill Gates might have bought some stocks for ArcServe. Anyways... no point boring you with my tragic story. But me is still working on resolving the issue of being able to perform remote disaster recovery.. If some one has done that please let me know... -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Do you still remember the difficulty that you made on ArcServe ? Wondering .. Thanks Fiooon -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Would you believe currently NTBackup - the windows 2000 version - on all the servers I run which are the backoffice stuff like SQL, Exhange, and DCs. There are a few other servers where we still use arcserve for simple file and print server backups. We plan to do a full evaluation of what is out there next year when our new budget period starts, and other than ditch arcserve, we have a fairly open mind about what to use instead. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 09:32 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi Robert, So then, what software are you using what is your current software max quality relibility can provide ? Maybe i can apply !! Thanks -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yeah I've got an opinion on Brightstore sure enough, but as many people operate filters on naughty words, I'll confine myself to stating that it does not meet my minimum quality and reliability standards for server software. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 05:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
In Continuation to my ranting Network machines... in the sense that the tape lirary is attahced to server A, and I tried to perfomr disaster recovery by backing up Server B, C D and E... over the Network.. since those poor buggars dont have a local backup device attached to them,.. I performed a full backup for all the machines.. created the boot disks... and tried to recover the lost souls... but after booting from the boot floppy, it kept searching for the backup device for an eternity... now I still dont understand why there is no special wizard with arcserve disaster recovery... to create the boot kit for a machine that you backedup on the network.. they provide only one wizard that supposedly creates boot kits for machines with local backup device connected as well as machines that are being backed up on the networksince for a mchine to be able to connect to the remote backup device.. they need the network drivers... I dont know if the boot kit creates them... generic that is... not even bothering to ask what kind of network card exists on my remote machines. scared to ask CA this question.. since they ask you to pay first and then ask your stupid question later. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi Muqeem, 1. What do u mean by network machines ? I did a DRecovery, once rebooted, it did come back to my network and log on to network . Thanks Fioon -Original Message- From: Muqeem Syed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 5:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Importance: High First to address Karons Issue of only backing up the mailboxes incase of a server crash.. you will notbe able to recover the priv and pub databases... so it is wise to backup atleast once the databases... so that in case there is a server crash you can first restore the database.. and then restore the mailboxes from the most recent backup the mailbox backups.. as far as I can recall cannot be used to restore a dead server with failed or corrupt databases. The second issue of Fioon being able to perfomr a full disaster recovery... and adding chorus to Robert's woes... we have a tape library and using arcserve for th ebackup.. yes I was able to perfomr a disaster recovery as well... but only for the local machine... and none of the network machines so far have been able to come back on the disaster recovery. Another thing... for the disaster recovery to work.. CA says that you have to make a full backup with the arcserve agent on the remote machine.. that is all that is needed they said to make the disaster recovery kit... MICROSOFT SAYS FOR THE EXCHANGE SERVER THE M: IS A VIRTUAL DRIVE AND DO NOT... REPEAT DO NOT ATTEMPT TO BACKUP OF PERFORM ANTIVIRUS SCANS CA HAS MENTIONED NOTHING ABOUT THAT SO FAR. POint number 2 noticed... though I succesfully staged the disaster recovery for the local machine on which the tape library is installed which incidentally hosts.. win 2k server note:WIN2K Server, at the time of the disaster recovery i was asked to pop in the CD for WIN2K ADVANCED SERVER Please pop in your win2K Advanced Server CD says the dialog box... Ok now me thinks that this is a typo error and instead doesnt want to listen to CA and pop in win2k server |CD instead... but the machine spits it out saying.. no way can I have that.. now be a good boy and pop in the advanced server CD... so I scramble my kit for the evaluation advanced server CD and pop it in thinking it aint gonna work either... but hey presto... it worked and there me completed the staging process of the disaster recovery, wondering if its Microsoft that more bizzare or ArcServe. and me still suspicious that Bill Gates might have bought some stocks for ArcServe. Anyways... no point boring you with my tragic story. But me is still working on resolving the issue of being able to perform remote disaster recovery.. If some one has done that please let me know... -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Do you still remember the difficulty that you made on ArcServe ? Wondering .. Thanks Fiooon -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Would you believe currently NTBackup - the windows 2000 version - on all the servers I run which are the backoffice stuff like SQL, Exhange, and DCs. There are a few other servers where we still use arcserve for simple file and print server backups. We plan to do a full evaluation of what is out there next year when our new budget period starts, and other than ditch arcserve, we have a fairly open mind about what
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
I think your keyboard isn't working. -Original Message- From: Muqeem Syed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 10:18 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Importance: High First to address Karons Issue of only backing up the mailboxes incase of a server crash.. you will notbe able to recover the priv and pub databases... so it is wise to backup atleast once the databases... so that in case there is a server crash you can first restore the database.. and then restore the mailboxes from the most recent backup the mailbox backups.. as far as I can recall cannot be used to restore a dead server with failed or corrupt databases. The second issue of Fioon being able to perfomr a full disaster recovery... and adding chorus to Robert's woes... we have a tape library and using arcserve for th ebackup.. yes I was able to perfomr a disaster recovery as well... but only for the local machine... and none of the network machines so far have been able to come back on the disaster recovery. Another thing... for the disaster recovery to work.. CA says that you have to make a full backup with the arcserve agent on the remote machine.. that is all that is needed they said to make the disaster recovery kit... MICROSOFT SAYS FOR THE EXCHANGE SERVER THE M: IS A VIRTUAL DRIVE AND DO NOT... REPEAT DO NOT ATTEMPT TO BACKUP OF PERFORM ANTIVIRUS SCANS CA HAS MENTIONED NOTHING ABOUT THAT SO FAR. POint number 2 noticed... though I succesfully staged the disaster recovery for the local machine on which the tape library is installed which incidentally hosts.. win 2k server note:WIN2K Server, at the time of the disaster recovery i was asked to pop in the CD for WIN2K ADVANCED SERVER Please pop in your win2K Advanced Server CD says the dialog box... Ok now me thinks that this is a typo error and instead doesnt want to listen to CA and pop in win2k server |CD instead... but the machine spits it out saying.. no way can I have that.. now be a good boy and pop in the advanced server CD... so I scramble my kit for the evaluation advanced server CD and pop it in thinking it aint gonna work either... but hey presto... it worked and there me completed the staging process of the disaster recovery, wondering if its Microsoft that more bizzare or ArcServe. and me still suspicious that Bill Gates might have bought some stocks for ArcServe. Anyways... no point boring you with my tragic story. But me is still working on resolving the issue of being able to perform remote disaster recovery.. If some one has done that please let me know... -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Do you still remember the difficulty that you made on ArcServe ? Wondering .. Thanks Fiooon -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Would you believe currently NTBackup - the windows 2000 version - on all the servers I run which are the backoffice stuff like SQL, Exhange, and DCs. There are a few other servers where we still use arcserve for simple file and print server backups. We plan to do a full evaluation of what is out there next year when our new budget period starts, and other than ditch arcserve, we have a fairly open mind about what to use instead. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 09:32 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi Robert, So then, what software are you using what is your current software max quality relibility can provide ? Maybe i can apply !! Thanks -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yeah I've got an opinion on Brightstore sure enough, but as many people operate filters on naughty words, I'll confine myself to stating that it does not meet my minimum quality and reliability standards for server software. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 05:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
ArcServe ruined that as well see what more proof does the world need about how bad arcserve is... dont go anywhere near it..dont utter its name. -Original Message- From: Hanna, Keith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I think your keyboard isn't working. -Original Message- From: Muqeem Syed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 10:18 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Importance: High First to address Karons Issue of only backing up the mailboxes incase of a server crash.. you will notbe able to recover the priv and pub databases... so it is wise to backup atleast once the databases... so that in case there is a server crash you can first restore the database.. and then restore the mailboxes from the most recent backup the mailbox backups.. as far as I can recall cannot be used to restore a dead server with failed or corrupt databases. The second issue of Fioon being able to perfomr a full disaster recovery... and adding chorus to Robert's woes... we have a tape library and using arcserve for th ebackup.. yes I was able to perfomr a disaster recovery as well... but only for the local machine... and none of the network machines so far have been able to come back on the disaster recovery. Another thing... for the disaster recovery to work.. CA says that you have to make a full backup with the arcserve agent on the remote machine.. that is all that is needed they said to make the disaster recovery kit... MICROSOFT SAYS FOR THE EXCHANGE SERVER THE M: IS A VIRTUAL DRIVE AND DO NOT... REPEAT DO NOT ATTEMPT TO BACKUP OF PERFORM ANTIVIRUS SCANS CA HAS MENTIONED NOTHING ABOUT THAT SO FAR. POint number 2 noticed... though I succesfully staged the disaster recovery for the local machine on which the tape library is installed which incidentally hosts.. win 2k server note:WIN2K Server, at the time of the disaster recovery i was asked to pop in the CD for WIN2K ADVANCED SERVER Please pop in your win2K Advanced Server CD says the dialog box... Ok now me thinks that this is a typo error and instead doesnt want to listen to CA and pop in win2k server |CD instead... but the machine spits it out saying.. no way can I have that.. now be a good boy and pop in the advanced server CD... so I scramble my kit for the evaluation advanced server CD and pop it in thinking it aint gonna work either... but hey presto... it worked and there me completed the staging process of the disaster recovery, wondering if its Microsoft that more bizzare or ArcServe. and me still suspicious that Bill Gates might have bought some stocks for ArcServe. Anyways... no point boring you with my tragic story. But me is still working on resolving the issue of being able to perform remote disaster recovery.. If some one has done that please let me know... -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Do you still remember the difficulty that you made on ArcServe ? Wondering .. Thanks Fiooon -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Would you believe currently NTBackup - the windows 2000 version - on all the servers I run which are the backoffice stuff like SQL, Exhange, and DCs. There are a few other servers where we still use arcserve for simple file and print server backups. We plan to do a full evaluation of what is out there next year when our new budget period starts, and other than ditch arcserve, we have a fairly open mind about what to use instead. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 09:32 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi Robert, So then, what software are you using what is your current software max quality relibility can provide ? Maybe i can apply !! Thanks -Original Message- From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:33 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yeah I've got an opinion on Brightstore sure enough, but as many people operate filters on naughty words, I'll confine myself to stating that it does not meet my minimum quality and reliability standards for server software. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 05:03 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Ever wonder why CA keeps changing the names of their products? -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you. == _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
I think we know why... -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 7:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Ever wonder why CA keeps changing the names of their products? -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you. == _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Try HP OmniBack II. Don't know the price but works just great. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 9:07 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 It's BrightStor , same under CA .. Is ArcServe 2000 really that bad ? I've just tried, and it turned out not too bad. On the middle of discussing want to purchase or not !! -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Brightwhore? Same crap. New name. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Fioon Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Names have been changed to protect the innocent. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andy David Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 07:30 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Ever wonder why CA keeps changing the names of their products? -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you. == _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
innocent are you sure that is the correct word or meaning? guilty seems to come to mind for me... just keep dodging those bullets -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 8:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Names have been changed to protect the innocent. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andy David Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 07:30 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Ever wonder why CA keeps changing the names of their products? -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you. == _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5
I was exposed recently to TSM Tivoli. I did about a 20-30 plus restores half of those from scratch. Nothing but net. Pardon the pun. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:36 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Try HP OmniBack II. Don't know the price but works just great. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 9:07 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 It's BrightStor , same under CA .. Is ArcServe 2000 really that bad ? I've just tried, and it turned out not too bad. On the middle of discussing want to purchase or not !! -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Brightwhore? Same crap. New name. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Fioon Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Try Netbackup works on Unix or NT. Cheers Paul Standards are like toothbrushes, everyone wants one but not yours -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 05 October 2002 03:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I was exposed recently to TSM Tivoli. I did about a 20-30 plus restores half of those from scratch. Nothing but net. Pardon the pun. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:36 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Try HP OmniBack II. Don't know the price but works just great. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 9:07 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 It's BrightStor , same under CA .. Is ArcServe 2000 really that bad ? I've just tried, and it turned out not too bad. On the middle of discussing want to purchase or not !! -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Brightwhore? Same crap. New name. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Fioon Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The information contained in this message or any of its attachments may be confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). Any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited without the express permission of the sender. The views expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily those of Sony or Sony affiliated companies. Sony email is for business use only. This email and any response may be monitored by Sony United Kingdom Limited. (6) *** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Are u saying Netbackup from CA ? -Original Message- From: Hurst, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 10:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Try Netbackup works on Unix or NT. Cheers Paul Standards are like toothbrushes, everyone wants one but not yours -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 05 October 2002 03:33 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I was exposed recently to TSM Tivoli. I did about a 20-30 plus restores half of those from scratch. Nothing but net. Pardon the pun. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:36 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Try HP OmniBack II. Don't know the price but works just great. -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 9:07 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 It's BrightStor , same under CA .. Is ArcServe 2000 really that bad ? I've just tried, and it turned out not too bad. On the middle of discussing want to purchase or not !! -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Brightwhore? Same crap. New name. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Fioon Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The information contained in this message or any of its attachments may be confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). Any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited without the express permission of the sender. The views expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily those of Sony or Sony affiliated companies. Sony email is for business use only. This email and any response may be monitored by Sony United Kingdom Limited. (6) *** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Yes, probably Veritas Backup Exec v8.6 -Original Message- From: Fioon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:09 AM Posted To: SWYNK - Exchange Conversation: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
I've download the BE trial copy , but it can't run. Funny, hang on Self Extract. Download again, same thing happened again. Any opinion on new ArcServe2000 BrightStore for the Disaster Recovery on Exchange 5.5 Issue ? Fin -Original Message- From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 11:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes, as a google search would have shown. - Original Message - From: Fioon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5
Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks -Original Message- From: Ryan Malayter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 2:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 It's good practice to be able to restore a mailbox though ... No, it's not. Brick-level backup and restore just doesn't work well in practice, no matter what software you use. You've seen that yourself. If you can't deal with archiving departed user's stuff to PST files on CD via exmerge (what we do), simply hide the mailboxes forever (a modification of the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method). The data will always be live in the exchange databases, should you need to get at it. You might end up spending more money on tape backup hardware and disks in the long run, but you'll have instant restore, and having that data there will not hurt performance for production users. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:02 AM Posted To: Exchange List Conversation: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 Actully just before you asked this question I remembered that we do have procedures that we go through when a user leaves which includes exporting their mailbox to a PST file. I unfortunately don't handle our backups and restores and moves, adds, and changes it's our Admin people. I do have alittle control of it though. This last mailbox that we had to restore gave all kinds of errors and we had to reboot the server I don't think we had a PST file though. Karon Have you considered exporting the ex-user's mailbox to PST[1], which can be stored in an appropriate manner for your organisation[2]. When someone needs that information, it's simple enough to mount the PST Deleted item retention should deal with those accidental deletions. [1] One non-BAD use [2] Archive to tape, burn to CD, etc Les Bessant MCSE mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] IT Manager, Sanderson Townend Gilbert Acting in a personal capacity http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - Tiggers don't do BLBs -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 July 2002 16:45 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 We don't erroneously delete mailboxes. User's leave and then a few months later an Attorney will need something out of that mailbox for a case and we'll have to restore it. Or, we have to restore folders or pieces of mail that a user deleted accidently. It's actually quite nice to be able to do this when it works. Karon _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The information in this communication and any attachments is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient any use, review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error please notify us immediately on 0191 261 2681 and delete the original message and any copies of it. Any opinions, conclusions or other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Sanderson Townend Gilbert are neither given nor endorsed by the firm. This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Hi, May i know which third party are you guys talking about on this Backup Exec ? It's Veritas ?? Thanks -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You're talking about the actual files - yes? Nothing will backup the physical files - when you do a backup of the IS, that is backing up the *data* in the files, which is what you want. You don't want to back up the files. As for circular logging, once you are backing up the IS (again, don't worry about the files!), the logs will flush. Tris - Tristan Gayford Deputy Systems Network Manager Cranfield University at Silsoe -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 08 August 2002 20:49 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 So, maybe BE is skipping the pub.edb and priv.edb because we're backing doing the BLB backups? Maybe you can't do the BLB and entire IS at the same time. Yes that is getting the full IS store... Not doing BLB but the full Monty. Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 What does it look like in the Job Log.All I see is the exchange mailboxes, and the IS being backuped. Though for the Backup Type on the IS it's says Full - Database Logs (flush committed logs). I'm getting it right there aren't I? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Weathersby, Bryce Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 The Exchange Agent will back up the entire file, the Exchange Information Store. Instead of doing the BLB just the backup of the IS is done. Much faster. If the lawyers are really concerned about the ability to restore one mailbox, look at a tool from Ontrack called PowerControls. It allows you to open up the .edb file and restore one mail or folder or email email back to the exchange server, or out to a .pst. I used it to help recover from a disaster. It opened the file even when all of the Microsoft recovery attempts failed. I did not recover every mailbox, but I got 93.6% back (long story). Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 We are using BE ver 8.5 getting ready to upgrade to 8.6 and we're using the Exchange Agent but not the Open File Agent. We cannot backup the pub.edb and priv.edb without using the Open File Agent. You have to stop the services in order to back up those files. Somone on here mentioned an Exchange Module is that something different than an Exchange Agent? I'd like to know how some of you are backing up the pub.ed and priv.edb without stopping the services. Karon PS the fact that you are likely doing BLB would contribute to the problems you indicated with backing up in the last post you did... 1.) read the FAQ 2.) sound like you have the exchnage agent loaded (must have to be able to do BLB) lose the Open File Agent (assuming you are not confusing the Open File with the Exchange Agent) 3.) Lose the BLB, and back up the IS..etc... (read the BE stuff too its good) 4.) Lose your Sys Mgr with all there cert's obviously that are doing no good... bill -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
I realize it works for some people. It's not for me. Here's why: 1) They take a lng time. At my last position, the priv.edb on several Exchange servers was huge with several mailboxes exceeding 2GB. Backup windows of 'July' is not acceptible nor necessary. 2) Brick Level break SIS in the process. At a previous employer we had an SIS ratio of 4 (lots of little daily cash spreadsheets and the like getting sent to DL's). This means that a BLB backup uses as much as 4 times the total tape. Now I need an autoloader to take care of the boxes of tapes required each night. 3) You can't perform a full server restore to point of failure with brick level backups. You have to actually perform additional full online backups as well to allow for full disaster recovery. More tapes. More time. More money. 4) A restore of several mailboxes from BLB's will cause the store to grow because of no SIS. If my SIS ratio is 2 and some disaster leaves me with only brick-level, my restore will double the size of the priv. 5) The redundant backups for brick level lower the overall performance of your exchange server as backups compete with users for CPU cycles and disk reads. It is also additional and unnecessary wear and tear on tape drives. 6) Brick Level Backups do not backup items in deleted item retention. As my users (for email anyway) have always been of the educated variety, they know and use deleted item recovery as needed. 7) A restore of a mailbox is seldom needed. (Probably the only instance is inadvertant deletion by an administrator in Exchange5.5) With deleted item retention set to a reasonable 30 days or so, and with deleted mailboxes retained in Exchange2000, brick level backups fall in the category of a waste of time and resources. 8) Backups should not be a helpdesk support option. They are a disaster recovery requirement. With all that tape and time, the convenience of having kanee restore my mailbox is so simple I can be more careless with my email. I can always get my info restored. 9) Yes, it's true. For me, I have only done this using ArcServeIT. Because of comments here in this and other forums, CA took the Exchange agent back to the lab and did some more fixing on it. For me it was too little too late. Basically, BLB's are not perfect. Data is not perfectly recreated through the restore process. Problems included header info missing, digitally signed emails corrupt, attachments missing. 10) Many, many more reputable and experienced people have shared their horror stories over and over in this and other forums and newsgroups. So much so that I was relieved to learn in 1998 that it wasn't just me that felt this way. The people that have expressed this opinion I hold in high regard and certainly owe it to myself to try to understand why the concensus is for or against something. 11) Microsoft provides the utility ExMerge which can be used to backup a single mailbox to .pst if necessary. I use this as the last step before deleting a users mailbox after (s)he have left the company. It is a simplified, granular alternative for certain circumstances. How's that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Elias, Delores Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi All, I'm new to this list and to Exchange. That means don't attack me when I ask this question. :) I understand about circular logging, but I'm wondering why everyone is saying not to do BLBs. My backups are fine and I'm not having any trouble. I'm backing up the Exchange Directory and Information store along with brick levels. I just would like to understand what is wrong with doing a BLB. I tried to find some info about it, but haven't been able to. If someone could point me in the right direction for the WP on this or just explain it, I would appreciate it. I'm just trying to learn about this. Thanks Delores *** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Excellent workup, William. Could you save that as HTML and put it up next to your Computer Associates um... exposé page? Also, I like to keep this link handy in my bookmarks list: http://mail.tekscan.com/nomailboxes.htm -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Friday, August 09, 2002 3:14 AM Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List Conversation: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I realize it works for some people. It's not for me. Here's why: 1) They take a lng time. At my last position, the priv.edb on several Exchange servers was huge with several mailboxes exceeding 2GB. Backup windows of 'July' is not acceptible nor necessary. 2) Brick Level break SIS in the process. At a previous employer we had an SIS ratio of 4 (lots of little daily cash spreadsheets and the like getting sent to DL's). This means that a BLB backup uses as much as 4 times the total tape. Now I need an autoloader to take care of the boxes of tapes required each night. 3) You can't perform a full server restore to point of failure with brick level backups. You have to actually perform additional full online backups as well to allow for full disaster recovery. More tapes. More time. More money. 4) A restore of several mailboxes from BLB's will cause the store to grow because of no SIS. If my SIS ratio is 2 and some disaster leaves me with only brick-level, my restore will double the size of the priv. 5) The redundant backups for brick level lower the overall performance of your exchange server as backups compete with users for CPU cycles and disk reads. It is also additional and unnecessary wear and tear on tape drives. 6) Brick Level Backups do not backup items in deleted item retention. As my users (for email anyway) have always been of the educated variety, they know and use deleted item recovery as needed. 7) A restore of a mailbox is seldom needed. (Probably the only instance is inadvertant deletion by an administrator in Exchange5.5) With deleted item retention set to a reasonable 30 days or so, and with deleted mailboxes retained in Exchange2000, brick level backups fall in the category of a waste of time and resources. 8) Backups should not be a helpdesk support option. They are a disaster recovery requirement. With all that tape and time, the convenience of having kanee restore my mailbox is so simple I can be more careless with my email. I can always get my info restored. 9) Yes, it's true. For me, I have only done this using ArcServeIT. Because of comments here in this and other forums, CA took the Exchange agent back to the lab and did some more fixing on it. For me it was too little too late. Basically, BLB's are not perfect. Data is not perfectly recreated through the restore process. Problems included header info missing, digitally signed emails corrupt, attachments missing. 10) Many, many more reputable and experienced people have shared their horror stories over and over in this and other forums and newsgroups. So much so that I was relieved to learn in 1998 that it wasn't just me that felt this way. The people that have expressed this opinion I hold in high regard and certainly owe it to myself to try to understand why the concensus is for or against something. 11) Microsoft provides the utility ExMerge which can be used to backup a single mailbox to .pst if necessary. I use this as the last step before deleting a users mailbox after (s)he have left the company. It is a simplified, granular alternative for certain circumstances. How's that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Elias, Delores Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi All, I'm new to this list and to Exchange. That means don't attack me when I ask this question. :) I understand about circular logging, but I'm wondering why everyone is saying not to do BLBs. My backups are fine and I'm not having any trouble. I'm backing up the Exchange Directory and Information store along with brick levels. I just would like to understand what is wrong with doing a BLB. I tried to find some info about it, but haven't been able to. If someone could point me in the right direction for the WP on this or just explain it, I would appreciate it. I'm just trying to learn about this. Thanks Delores *** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Thanks, William. You've cleared it up for me. Doubt if I can get them to change it, but at least I have some info to take to them. As someone on this list mentioned before, lawyers run the IT dept. :( -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I realize it works for some people. It's not for me. Here's why: 1) They take a lng time. At my last position, the priv.edb on several Exchange servers was huge with several mailboxes exceeding 2GB. Backup windows of 'July' is not acceptible nor necessary. 2) Brick Level break SIS in the process. At a previous employer we had an SIS ratio of 4 (lots of little daily cash spreadsheets and the like getting sent to DL's). This means that a BLB backup uses as much as 4 times the total tape. Now I need an autoloader to take care of the boxes of tapes required each night. 3) You can't perform a full server restore to point of failure with brick level backups. You have to actually perform additional full online backups as well to allow for full disaster recovery. More tapes. More time. More money. 4) A restore of several mailboxes from BLB's will cause the store to grow because of no SIS. If my SIS ratio is 2 and some disaster leaves me with only brick-level, my restore will double the size of the priv. 5) The redundant backups for brick level lower the overall performance of your exchange server as backups compete with users for CPU cycles and disk reads. It is also additional and unnecessary wear and tear on tape drives. 6) Brick Level Backups do not backup items in deleted item retention. As my users (for email anyway) have always been of the educated variety, they know and use deleted item recovery as needed. 7) A restore of a mailbox is seldom needed. (Probably the only instance is inadvertant deletion by an administrator in Exchange5.5) With deleted item retention set to a reasonable 30 days or so, and with deleted mailboxes retained in Exchange2000, brick level backups fall in the category of a waste of time and resources. 8) Backups should not be a helpdesk support option. They are a disaster recovery requirement. With all that tape and time, the convenience of having kanee restore my mailbox is so simple I can be more careless with my email. I can always get my info restored. 9) Yes, it's true. For me, I have only done this using ArcServeIT. Because of comments here in this and other forums, CA took the Exchange agent back to the lab and did some more fixing on it. For me it was too little too late. Basically, BLB's are not perfect. Data is not perfectly recreated through the restore process. Problems included header info missing, digitally signed emails corrupt, attachments missing. 10) Many, many more reputable and experienced people have shared their horror stories over and over in this and other forums and newsgroups. So much so that I was relieved to learn in 1998 that it wasn't just me that felt this way. The people that have expressed this opinion I hold in high regard and certainly owe it to myself to try to understand why the concensus is for or against something. 11) Microsoft provides the utility ExMerge which can be used to backup a single mailbox to .pst if necessary. I use this as the last step before deleting a users mailbox after (s)he have left the company. It is a simplified, granular alternative for certain circumstances. How's that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Elias, Delores Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi All, I'm new to this list and to Exchange. That means don't attack me when I ask this question. :) I understand about circular logging, but I'm wondering why everyone is saying not to do BLBs. My backups are fine and I'm not having any trouble. I'm backing up the Exchange Directory and Information store along with brick levels. I just would like to understand what is wrong with doing a BLB. I tried to find some info about it, but haven't been able to. If someone could point me in the right direction for the WP on this or just explain it, I would appreciate it. I'm just trying to learn about this. Thanks Delores *** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The information supplied in this message may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, the sender does not intend delivery to you to waive any privilege or right
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
lawyers run the IT dept. I shall start lawyering. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Elias, Delores Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 6:09 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Thanks, William. You've cleared it up for me. Doubt if I can get them to change it, but at least I have some info to take to them. As someone on this list mentioned before, lawyers run the IT dept. :( -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I realize it works for some people. It's not for me. Here's why: 1) They take a lng time. At my last position, the priv.edb on several Exchange servers was huge with several mailboxes exceeding 2GB. Backup windows of 'July' is not acceptible nor necessary. 2) Brick Level break SIS in the process. At a previous employer we had an SIS ratio of 4 (lots of little daily cash spreadsheets and the like getting sent to DL's). This means that a BLB backup uses as much as 4 times the total tape. Now I need an autoloader to take care of the boxes of tapes required each night. 3) You can't perform a full server restore to point of failure with brick level backups. You have to actually perform additional full online backups as well to allow for full disaster recovery. More tapes. More time. More money. 4) A restore of several mailboxes from BLB's will cause the store to grow because of no SIS. If my SIS ratio is 2 and some disaster leaves me with only brick-level, my restore will double the size of the priv. 5) The redundant backups for brick level lower the overall performance of your exchange server as backups compete with users for CPU cycles and disk reads. It is also additional and unnecessary wear and tear on tape drives. 6) Brick Level Backups do not backup items in deleted item retention. As my users (for email anyway) have always been of the educated variety, they know and use deleted item recovery as needed. 7) A restore of a mailbox is seldom needed. (Probably the only instance is inadvertant deletion by an administrator in Exchange5.5) With deleted item retention set to a reasonable 30 days or so, and with deleted mailboxes retained in Exchange2000, brick level backups fall in the category of a waste of time and resources. 8) Backups should not be a helpdesk support option. They are a disaster recovery requirement. With all that tape and time, the convenience of having kanee restore my mailbox is so simple I can be more careless with my email. I can always get my info restored. 9) Yes, it's true. For me, I have only done this using ArcServeIT. Because of comments here in this and other forums, CA took the Exchange agent back to the lab and did some more fixing on it. For me it was too little too late. Basically, BLB's are not perfect. Data is not perfectly recreated through the restore process. Problems included header info missing, digitally signed emails corrupt, attachments missing. 10) Many, many more reputable and experienced people have shared their horror stories over and over in this and other forums and newsgroups. So much so that I was relieved to learn in 1998 that it wasn't just me that felt this way. The people that have expressed this opinion I hold in high regard and certainly owe it to myself to try to understand why the concensus is for or against something. 11) Microsoft provides the utility ExMerge which can be used to backup a single mailbox to .pst if necessary. I use this as the last step before deleting a users mailbox after (s)he have left the company. It is a simplified, granular alternative for certain circumstances. How's that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Elias, Delores Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi All, I'm new to this list and to Exchange. That means don't attack me when I ask this question. :) I understand about circular logging, but I'm wondering why everyone is saying not to do BLBs. My backups are fine and I'm not having any trouble. I'm backing up the Exchange Directory and Information store along with brick levels. I just would like to understand what is wrong with doing a BLB. I tried to find some info about it, but haven't been able to. If someone could point me in the right direction for the WP on this or just explain it, I would appreciate it. I'm just trying to learn about this. Thanks Delores *** _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Thank you this is exactly what I was looking for. You're talking about the actual files - yes? Nothing will backup the physical files - when you do a backup of the IS, that is backing up the *data* in the files, which is what you want. You don't want to back up the files. As for circular logging, once you are backing up the IS (again, don't worry about the files!), the logs will flush. Tris - Tristan Gayford Deputy Systems Network Manager Cranfield University at Silsoe -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 08 August 2002 20:49 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 So, maybe BE is skipping the pub.edb and priv.edb because we're backing doing the BLB backups? Maybe you can't do the BLB and entire IS at the same time. Yes that is getting the full IS store... Not doing BLB but the full Monty. Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 What does it look like in the Job Log.All I see is the exchange mailboxes, and the IS being backuped. Though for the Backup Type on the IS it's says Full - Database Logs (flush committed logs). I'm getting it right there aren't I? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Weathersby, Bryce Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 The Exchange Agent will back up the entire file, the Exchange Information Store. Instead of doing the BLB just the backup of the IS is done. Much faster. If the lawyers are really concerned about the ability to restore one mailbox, look at a tool from Ontrack called PowerControls. It allows you to open up the .edb file and restore one mail or folder or email email back to the exchange server, or out to a .pst. I used it to help recover from a disaster. It opened the file even when all of the Microsoft recovery attempts failed. I did not recover every mailbox, but I got 93.6% back (long story). Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 We are using BE ver 8.5 getting ready to upgrade to 8.6 and we're using the Exchange Agent but not the Open File Agent. We cannot backup the pub.edb and priv.edb without using the Open File Agent. You have to stop the services in order to back up those files. Somone on here mentioned an Exchange Module is that something different than an Exchange Agent? I'd like to know how some of you are backing up the pub.ed and priv.edb without stopping the services. Karon PS the fact that you are likely doing BLB would contribute to the problems you indicated with backing up in the last post you did... 1.) read the FAQ 2.) sound like you have the exchnage agent loaded (must have to be able to do BLB) lose the Open File Agent (assuming you are not confusing the Open File with the Exchange Agent) 3.) Lose the BLB, and back up the IS..etc... (read the BE stuff too its good) 4.) Lose your Sys Mgr with all there cert's obviously that are doing no good... bill -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
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You guys are brutal on here to newcomers. I've been in this business for 11 years and only been doing Exchange for 1 year. Cut me some slack please. And I am right behind you Erik on Don't do BLBs and do a little reading. Jeesh. If you have been on this list even just lurking in the background, you would see how many times we say NO BLBs with that hamburger. Geoff... -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I'm not trying to be an @$$hole here, but I stand behind my statement. As others have said: - Don't do BLBs - Don't use any vendor's OF agent on your Exchange server. - Perform a proper Exchange backup. How? Read the WPs and report back tomorrow with any additional questions. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't get it. What gives you the impression I don't know what Circular Logging is? Just because I have it turned on. I would turn it off if we could figure out how to back up the edb files and could flush the log files. It sounds like you don't really know what circular logging is, or what the impact is. Please, for the sake of your job, your company and your company's mail resources, locate and print out the Exchange 5.5 Backup and Disaster Recovery whitepapers from MS' website. Do not leave the building without having the printouts in your hands. Do not go to sleep tonight until you have read them. All will be explained in those whitepapers. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know what circular logging is and that's why we have it turned on. My plan is to just stop the services and backup the pub.edb and priv.edb until we can get the OF Agent working. As far as BLB's, the FIRM has to do those I've tried to get them to not do them but they want to be able to restore a mailbox. This is a law firm remember the Lawyers are in charge not IT. Flushing the log files are I guess removing them or renaming them. Do you know what circular logging is? Do you know what the logfiles are for? -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 On this particular server we are doing circular logging but that shouldn't hurt anything. We were using BE's OFO but my Sys MGR again made us shut it off because we were having constant problems with it. When you say flush the logs does, what exactly do you mean? OH MY GODS AND GODDESSES!! No wonder you have trouble with this server. Stop the BLB and do it the right way - pub and priv and flush logs when complete. You aren't doing circular logging too, are you? Just use the exchange agent from BE and you never have to stop ANY service. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_f aq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL
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It can be pretty brutal here. But you wont learn more anywhere. A number of folk here are the cream of the crop Exchange admins. We also have a few cream of the crap ones too, just to even things out. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 You guys are brutal on here to newcomers. I've been in this business for 11 years and only been doing Exchange for 1 year. Cut me some slack please. And I am right behind you Erik on Don't do BLBs and do a little reading. Jeesh. If you have been on this list even just lurking in the background, you would see how many times we say NO BLBs with that hamburger. Geoff... -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I'm not trying to be an @$$hole here, but I stand behind my statement. As others have said: - Don't do BLBs - Don't use any vendor's OF agent on your Exchange server. - Perform a proper Exchange backup. How? Read the WPs and report back tomorrow with any additional questions. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't get it. What gives you the impression I don't know what Circular Logging is? Just because I have it turned on. I would turn it off if we could figure out how to back up the edb files and could flush the log files. It sounds like you don't really know what circular logging is, or what the impact is. Please, for the sake of your job, your company and your company's mail resources, locate and print out the Exchange 5.5 Backup and Disaster Recovery whitepapers from MS' website. Do not leave the building without having the printouts in your hands. Do not go to sleep tonight until you have read them. All will be explained in those whitepapers. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know what circular logging is and that's why we have it turned on. My plan is to just stop the services and backup the pub.edb and priv.edb until we can get the OF Agent working. As far as BLB's, the FIRM has to do those I've tried to get them to not do them but they want to be able to restore a mailbox. This is a law firm remember the Lawyers are in charge not IT. Flushing the log files are I guess removing them or renaming them. Do you know what circular logging is? Do you know what the logfiles are for? -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 On this particular server we are doing circular logging but that shouldn't hurt anything. We were using BE's OFO but my Sys MGR again made us shut it off because we were having constant problems with it. When you say flush the logs does, what exactly do you mean? OH MY GODS AND GODDESSES!! No wonder you have trouble with this server. Stop the BLB and do it the right way - pub and priv and flush logs when complete. You aren't doing circular logging too, are you? Just use the exchange agent from BE and you never have to stop ANY service. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_f aq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Years of experience has nothing to do with knowing what RTFM means. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 You guys are brutal on here to newcomers. I've been in this business for 11 years and only been doing Exchange for 1 year. Cut me some slack please. snip _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I've Read The F.n Manual but it doesn't go into the detail that I can get on this forum. We're a unique environment here we probably don't do anything the way we're supposed to. Years of experience has nothing to do with knowing what RTFM means. =20 -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 You guys are brutal on here to newcomers. I've been in this business for 11 years and only been doing Exchange for 1 year. Cut me some slack please. snip _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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When I subbed this list some 2 years ago. I was promptly told to read the FAQ. I did, and thus avoided the brutality you speak of. --steve -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 You guys are brutal on here to newcomers. I've been in this business for 11 years and only been doing Exchange for 1 year. Cut me some slack please. And I am right behind you Erik on Don't do BLBs and do a little reading. Jeesh. If you have been on this list even just lurking in the background, you would see how many times we say NO BLBs with that hamburger. Geoff... -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I'm not trying to be an @$$hole here, but I stand behind my statement. As others have said: - Don't do BLBs - Don't use any vendor's OF agent on your Exchange server. - Perform a proper Exchange backup. How? Read the WPs and report back tomorrow with any additional questions. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't get it. What gives you the impression I don't know what Circular Logging is? Just because I have it turned on. I would turn it off if we could figure out how to back up the edb files and could flush the log files. It sounds like you don't really know what circular logging is, or what the impact is. Please, for the sake of your job, your company and your company's mail resources, locate and print out the Exchange 5.5 Backup and Disaster Recovery whitepapers from MS' website. Do not leave the building without having the printouts in your hands. Do not go to sleep tonight until you have read them. All will be explained in those whitepapers. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know what circular logging is and that's why we have it turned on. My plan is to just stop the services and backup the pub.edb and priv.edb until we can get the OF Agent working. As far as BLB's, the FIRM has to do those I've tried to get them to not do them but they want to be able to restore a mailbox. This is a law firm remember the Lawyers are in charge not IT. Flushing the log files are I guess removing them or renaming them. Do you know what circular logging is? Do you know what the logfiles are for? -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 On this particular server we are doing circular logging but that shouldn't hurt anything. We were using BE's OFO but my Sys MGR again made us shut it off because we were having constant problems with it. When you say flush the logs does, what exactly do you mean? OH MY GODS AND GODDESSES!! No wonder you have trouble with this server. Stop the BLB and do it the right way - pub and priv and flush logs when complete. You aren't doing circular logging too, are you? Just use the exchange agent from BE and you never have to stop ANY service. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_f aq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Buy and read Paul Robichaux's Exchange 5.5 book. Unique environment often means arrogantly ignorant. You have some work ahead of you--not just for this problem but for the many to come. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Karon Miller Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I've Read The F.n Manual but it doesn't go into the detail that I can get on this forum. We're a unique environment here we probably don't do anything the way we're supposed to. Years of experience has nothing to do with knowing what RTFM means. =20 -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20 Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 You guys are brutal on here to newcomers. I've been in this business for 11 years and only been doing Exchange for 1 year. Cut me some slack please. snip _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Did you read the whitepapers? The minute amount of information Tristan gave you isn't enough knowledge. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Thank you this is exactly what I was looking for. You're talking about the actual files - yes? Nothing will backup the physical files - when you do a backup of the IS, that is backing up the *data* in the files, which is what you want. You don't want to back up the files. As for circular logging, once you are backing up the IS (again, don't worry about the files!), the logs will flush. Tris - Tristan Gayford Deputy Systems Network Manager Cranfield University at Silsoe -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 08 August 2002 20:49 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 So, maybe BE is skipping the pub.edb and priv.edb because we're backing doing the BLB backups? Maybe you can't do the BLB and entire IS at the same time. Yes that is getting the full IS store... Not doing BLB but the full Monty. Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 What does it look like in the Job Log.All I see is the exchange mailboxes, and the IS being backuped. Though for the Backup Type on the IS it's says Full - Database Logs (flush committed logs). I'm getting it right there aren't I? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Weathersby, Bryce Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 The Exchange Agent will back up the entire file, the Exchange Information Store. Instead of doing the BLB just the backup of the IS is done. Much faster. If the lawyers are really concerned about the ability to restore one mailbox, look at a tool from Ontrack called PowerControls. It allows you to open up the .edb file and restore one mail or folder or email email back to the exchange server, or out to a .pst. I used it to help recover from a disaster. It opened the file even when all of the Microsoft recovery attempts failed. I did not recover every mailbox, but I got 93.6% back (long story). Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 We are using BE ver 8.5 getting ready to upgrade to 8.6 and we're using the Exchange Agent but not the Open File Agent. We cannot backup the pub.edb and priv.edb without using the Open File Agent. You have to stop the services in order to back up those files. Somone on here mentioned an Exchange Module is that something different than an Exchange Agent? I'd like to know how some of you are backing up the pub.ed and priv.edb without stopping the services. Karon PS the fact that you are likely doing BLB would contribute to the problems you indicated with backing up in the last post you did... 1.) read the FAQ 2.) sound like you have the exchnage agent loaded (must have to be able to do BLB) lose the Open File Agent (assuming you are not confusing the Open File with the Exchange Agent) 3.) Lose the BLB, and back up the IS..etc... (read the BE stuff too its good) 4.) Lose your Sys Mgr with all there cert's obviously that are doing no good... bill -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Yo. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 It can be pretty brutal here. But you wont learn more anywhere. A number of folk here are the cream of the crop Exchange admins. We also have a few cream of the crap ones too, just to even things out. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 You guys are brutal on here to newcomers. I've been in this business for 11 years and only been doing Exchange for 1 year. Cut me some slack please. And I am right behind you Erik on Don't do BLBs and do a little reading. Jeesh. If you have been on this list even just lurking in the background, you would see how many times we say NO BLBs with that hamburger. Geoff... -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I'm not trying to be an @$$hole here, but I stand behind my statement. As others have said: - Don't do BLBs - Don't use any vendor's OF agent on your Exchange server. - Perform a proper Exchange backup. How? Read the WPs and report back tomorrow with any additional questions. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't get it. What gives you the impression I don't know what Circular Logging is? Just because I have it turned on. I would turn it off if we could figure out how to back up the edb files and could flush the log files. It sounds like you don't really know what circular logging is, or what the impact is. Please, for the sake of your job, your company and your company's mail resources, locate and print out the Exchange 5.5 Backup and Disaster Recovery whitepapers from MS' website. Do not leave the building without having the printouts in your hands. Do not go to sleep tonight until you have read them. All will be explained in those whitepapers. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know what circular logging is and that's why we have it turned on. My plan is to just stop the services and backup the pub.edb and priv.edb until we can get the OF Agent working. As far as BLB's, the FIRM has to do those I've tried to get them to not do them but they want to be able to restore a mailbox. This is a law firm remember the Lawyers are in charge not IT. Flushing the log files are I guess removing them or renaming them. Do you know what circular logging is? Do you know what the logfiles are for? -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 On this particular server we are doing circular logging but that shouldn't hurt anything. We were using BE's OFO but my Sys MGR again made us shut it off because we were having constant problems with it. When you say flush the logs does, what exactly do you mean? OH MY GODS AND GODDESSES!! No wonder you have trouble with this server. Stop the BLB and do it the right way - pub and priv and flush logs when complete. You aren't doing circular logging too, are you? Just use the exchange agent from BE and you never have to stop ANY service. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_f aq.htm Archives: http
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
The Exchange Agent will back up the entire file, the Exchange Information Store. Instead of doing the BLB just the backup of the IS is done. Much faster. If the lawyers are really concerned about the ability to restore one mailbox, look at a tool from Ontrack called PowerControls. It allows you to open up the .edb file and restore one mail or folder or email email back to the exchange server, or out to a .pst. I used it to help recover from a disaster. It opened the file even when all of the Microsoft recovery attempts failed. I did not recover every mailbox, but I got 93.6% back (long story). Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 We are using BE ver 8.5 getting ready to upgrade to 8.6 and we're using the Exchange Agent but not the Open File Agent. We cannot backup the pub.edb and priv.edb without using the Open File Agent. You have to stop the services in order to back up those files. Somone on here mentioned an Exchange Module is that something different than an Exchange Agent? I'd like to know how some of you are backing up the pub.ed and priv.edb without stopping the services. Karon PS the fact that you are likely doing BLB would contribute to the problems you indicated with backing up in the last post you did... 1.) read the FAQ 2.) sound like you have the exchnage agent loaded (must have to be able to do BLB) lose the Open File Agent (assuming you are not confusing the Open File with the Exchange Agent) 3.) Lose the BLB, and back up the IS..etc... (read the BE stuff too its good) 4.) Lose your Sys Mgr with all there cert's obviously that are doing no good... bill -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
What does it look like in the Job Log.All I see is the exchange mailboxes, and the IS being backuped. Though for the Backup Type on the IS it's says Full - Database Logs (flush committed logs). I'm getting it right there aren't I? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Weathersby, Bryce Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 The Exchange Agent will back up the entire file, the Exchange Information Store. Instead of doing the BLB just the backup of the IS is done. Much faster. If the lawyers are really concerned about the ability to restore one mailbox, look at a tool from Ontrack called PowerControls. It allows you to open up the .edb file and restore one mail or folder or email email back to the exchange server, or out to a .pst. I used it to help recover from a disaster. It opened the file even when all of the Microsoft recovery attempts failed. I did not recover every mailbox, but I got 93.6% back (long story). Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 We are using BE ver 8.5 getting ready to upgrade to 8.6 and we're using the Exchange Agent but not the Open File Agent. We cannot backup the pub.edb and priv.edb without using the Open File Agent. You have to stop the services in order to back up those files. Somone on here mentioned an Exchange Module is that something different than an Exchange Agent? I'd like to know how some of you are backing up the pub.ed and priv.edb without stopping the services. Karon PS the fact that you are likely doing BLB would contribute to the problems you indicated with backing up in the last post you did... 1.) read the FAQ 2.) sound like you have the exchnage agent loaded (must have to be able to do BLB) lose the Open File Agent (assuming you are not confusing the Open File with the Exchange Agent) 3.) Lose the BLB, and back up the IS..etc... (read the BE stuff too its good) 4.) Lose your Sys Mgr with all there cert's obviously that are doing no good... bill -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
What it's doing is skipping the pub.edb, and priv.edb and showing their in use. We're not using the OFO anymore with this either. Is backup Exec supposed to be running a script that's stopping those services before it backs them up? I'm told there is a script that can be run to stop them or one can be written. The Exchange Agent will back up the entire file, the Exchange Information Store. Instead of doing the BLB just the backup of the IS is done. Much faster. If the lawyers are really concerned about the ability to restore one mailbox, look at a tool from Ontrack called PowerControls. It allows you to open up the .edb file and restore one mail or folder or email email back to the exchange server, or out to a .pst. I used it to help recover from a disaster. It opened the file even when all of the Microsoft recovery attempts failed. I did not recover every mailbox, but I got 93.6% back (long story). Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 We are using BE ver 8.5 getting ready to upgrade to 8.6 and we're using the Exchange Agent but not the Open File Agent. We cannot backup the pub.edb and priv.edb without using the Open File Agent. You have to stop the services in order to back up those files. Somone on here mentioned an Exchange Module is that something different than an Exchange Agent? I'd like to know how some of you are backing up the pub.ed and priv.edb without stopping the services. Karon PS the fact that you are likely doing BLB would contribute to the problems you indicated with backing up in the last post you did... 1.) read the FAQ 2.) sound like you have the exchnage agent loaded (must have to be able to do BLB) lose the Open File Agent (assuming you are not confusing the Open File with the Exchange Agent) 3.) Lose the BLB, and back up the IS..etc... (read the BE stuff too its good) 4.) Lose your Sys Mgr with all there cert's obviously that are doing no good... bill -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Yes that is getting the full IS store... Not doing BLB but the full Monty. Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 What does it look like in the Job Log.All I see is the exchange mailboxes, and the IS being backuped. Though for the Backup Type on the IS it's says Full - Database Logs (flush committed logs). I'm getting it right there aren't I? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Weathersby, Bryce Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 The Exchange Agent will back up the entire file, the Exchange Information Store. Instead of doing the BLB just the backup of the IS is done. Much faster. If the lawyers are really concerned about the ability to restore one mailbox, look at a tool from Ontrack called PowerControls. It allows you to open up the .edb file and restore one mail or folder or email email back to the exchange server, or out to a .pst. I used it to help recover from a disaster. It opened the file even when all of the Microsoft recovery attempts failed. I did not recover every mailbox, but I got 93.6% back (long story). Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 We are using BE ver 8.5 getting ready to upgrade to 8.6 and we're using the Exchange Agent but not the Open File Agent. We cannot backup the pub.edb and priv.edb without using the Open File Agent. You have to stop the services in order to back up those files. Somone on here mentioned an Exchange Module is that something different than an Exchange Agent? I'd like to know how some of you are backing up the pub.ed and priv.edb without stopping the services. Karon PS the fact that you are likely doing BLB would contribute to the problems you indicated with backing up in the last post you did... 1.) read the FAQ 2.) sound like you have the exchnage agent loaded (must have to be able to do BLB) lose the Open File Agent (assuming you are not confusing the Open File with the Exchange Agent) 3.) Lose the BLB, and back up the IS..etc... (read the BE stuff too its good) 4.) Lose your Sys Mgr with all there cert's obviously that are doing no good... bill -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
It's not supposed to skip it because it's in use. It's supposed to skip it because you MANUALLY EXCLUDED it from your backup job. As well as the logfile directories. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Thursday, August 08, 2002 02:44 PM Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List Conversation: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 What it's doing is skipping the pub.edb, and priv.edb and showing their in use. We're not using the OFO anymore with this either. Is backup Exec supposed to be running a script that's stopping those services before it backs them up? I'm told there is a script that can be run to stop them or one can be written. The Exchange Agent will back up the entire file, the Exchange Information Store. Instead of doing the BLB just the backup of the IS is done. Much faster. If the lawyers are really concerned about the ability to restore one mailbox, look at a tool from Ontrack called PowerControls. It allows you to open up the .edb file and restore one mail or folder or email email back to the exchange server, or out to a .pst. I used it to help recover from a disaster. It opened the file even when all of the Microsoft recovery attempts failed. I did not recover every mailbox, but I got 93.6% back (long story). Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 We are using BE ver 8.5 getting ready to upgrade to 8.6 and we're using the Exchange Agent but not the Open File Agent. We cannot backup the pub.edb and priv.edb without using the Open File Agent. You have to stop the services in order to back up those files. Somone on here mentioned an Exchange Module is that something different than an Exchange Agent? I'd like to know how some of you are backing up the pub.ed and priv.edb without stopping the services. Karon PS the fact that you are likely doing BLB would contribute to the problems you indicated with backing up in the last post you did... 1.) read the FAQ 2.) sound like you have the exchnage agent loaded (must have to be able to do BLB) lose the Open File Agent (assuming you are not confusing the Open File with the Exchange Agent) 3.) Lose the BLB, and back up the IS..etc... (read the BE stuff too its good) 4.) Lose your Sys Mgr with all there cert's obviously that are doing no good... bill -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
So, maybe BE is skipping the pub.edb and priv.edb because we're backing doing the BLB backups? Maybe you can't do the BLB and entire IS at the same time. Yes that is getting the full IS store... Not doing BLB but the full Monty. Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 What does it look like in the Job Log.All I see is the exchange mailboxes, and the IS being backuped. Though for the Backup Type on the IS it's says Full - Database Logs (flush committed logs). I'm getting it right there aren't I? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Weathersby, Bryce Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 The Exchange Agent will back up the entire file, the Exchange Information Store. Instead of doing the BLB just the backup of the IS is done. Much faster. If the lawyers are really concerned about the ability to restore one mailbox, look at a tool from Ontrack called PowerControls. It allows you to open up the .edb file and restore one mail or folder or email email back to the exchange server, or out to a .pst. I used it to help recover from a disaster. It opened the file even when all of the Microsoft recovery attempts failed. I did not recover every mailbox, but I got 93.6% back (long story). Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 We are using BE ver 8.5 getting ready to upgrade to 8.6 and we're using the Exchange Agent but not the Open File Agent. We cannot backup the pub.edb and priv.edb without using the Open File Agent. You have to stop the services in order to back up those files. Somone on here mentioned an Exchange Module is that something different than an Exchange Agent? I'd like to know how some of you are backing up the pub.ed and priv.edb without stopping the services. Karon PS the fact that you are likely doing BLB would contribute to the problems you indicated with backing up in the last post you did... 1.) read the FAQ 2.) sound like you have the exchnage agent loaded (must have to be able to do BLB) lose the Open File Agent (assuming you are not confusing the Open File with the Exchange Agent) 3.) Lose the BLB, and back up the IS..etc... (read the BE stuff too its good) 4.) Lose your Sys Mgr with all there cert's obviously that are doing no good... bill -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
No BE will give you the listing of the Information Store as a separate entry. More than likely you also have the folders the files are in checked to be backed up and that is where the skipping is coming in. Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:49 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 So, maybe BE is skipping the pub.edb and priv.edb because we're backing doing the BLB backups? Maybe you can't do the BLB and entire IS at the same time. Yes that is getting the full IS store... Not doing BLB but the full Monty. Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 What does it look like in the Job Log.All I see is the exchange mailboxes, and the IS being backuped. Though for the Backup Type on the IS it's says Full - Database Logs (flush committed logs). I'm getting it right there aren't I? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Weathersby, Bryce Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 The Exchange Agent will back up the entire file, the Exchange Information Store. Instead of doing the BLB just the backup of the IS is done. Much faster. If the lawyers are really concerned about the ability to restore one mailbox, look at a tool from Ontrack called PowerControls. It allows you to open up the .edb file and restore one mail or folder or email email back to the exchange server, or out to a .pst. I used it to help recover from a disaster. It opened the file even when all of the Microsoft recovery attempts failed. I did not recover every mailbox, but I got 93.6% back (long story). Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 We are using BE ver 8.5 getting ready to upgrade to 8.6 and we're using the Exchange Agent but not the Open File Agent. We cannot backup the pub.edb and priv.edb without using the Open File Agent. You have to stop the services in order to back up those files. Somone on here mentioned an Exchange Module is that something different than an Exchange Agent? I'd like to know how some of you are backing up the pub.ed and priv.edb without stopping the services. Karon PS the fact that you are likely doing BLB would contribute to the problems you indicated with backing up in the last post you did... 1.) read the FAQ 2.) sound like you have the exchnage agent loaded (must have to be able to do BLB) lose the Open File Agent (assuming you are not confusing the Open File with the Exchange Agent) 3.) Lose the BLB, and back up the IS..etc... (read the BE stuff too its good) 4.) Lose your Sys Mgr with all there cert's obviously that are doing no good... bill -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
The Exchange Agent for Backup Exec backs up the Priv and Pub whitout stopping any services. Brian Dugas MIS Director Summit Technical Services, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.summit-technical.com Phone: 401-736-8323 x11 Fax: 401-738-9813 -Original Message- From: Tom Meunier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 3:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 It's not supposed to skip it because it's in use. It's supposed to skip it because you MANUALLY EXCLUDED it from your backup job. As well as the logfile directories. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Thursday, August 08, 2002 02:44 PM Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List Conversation: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 What it's doing is skipping the pub.edb, and priv.edb and showing their in use. We're not using the OFO anymore with this either. Is backup Exec supposed to be running a script that's stopping those services before it backs them up? I'm told there is a script that can be run to stop them or one can be written. The Exchange Agent will back up the entire file, the Exchange Information Store. Instead of doing the BLB just the backup of the IS is done. Much faster. If the lawyers are really concerned about the ability to restore one mailbox, look at a tool from Ontrack called PowerControls. It allows you to open up the .edb file and restore one mail or folder or email email back to the exchange server, or out to a .pst. I used it to help recover from a disaster. It opened the file even when all of the Microsoft recovery attempts failed. I did not recover every mailbox, but I got 93.6% back (long story). Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 We are using BE ver 8.5 getting ready to upgrade to 8.6 and we're using the Exchange Agent but not the Open File Agent. We cannot backup the pub.edb and priv.edb without using the Open File Agent. You have to stop the services in order to back up those files. Somone on here mentioned an Exchange Module is that something different than an Exchange Agent? I'd like to know how some of you are backing up the pub.ed and priv.edb without stopping the services. Karon PS the fact that you are likely doing BLB would contribute to the problems you indicated with backing up in the last post you did... 1.) read the FAQ 2.) sound like you have the exchnage agent loaded (must have to be able to do BLB) lose the Open File Agent (assuming you are not confusing the Open File with the Exchange Agent) 3.) Lose the BLB, and back up the IS..etc... (read the BE stuff too its good) 4.) Lose your Sys Mgr with all there cert's obviously that are doing no good... bill -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
It sounds like you don't really know what circular logging is, or what the impact is. Please, for the sake of your job, your company and your company's mail resources, locate and print out the Exchange 5.5 Backup and Disaster Recovery whitepapers from MS' website. Do not leave the building without having the printouts in your hands. Do not go to sleep tonight until you have read them. All will be explained in those whitepapers. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know what circular logging is and that's why we have it turned on. My plan is to just stop the services and backup the pub.edb and priv.edb until we can get the OF Agent working. As far as BLB's, the FIRM has to do those I've tried to get them to not do them but they want to be able to restore a mailbox. This is a law firm remember the Lawyers are in charge not IT. Flushing the log files are I guess removing them or renaming them. Do you know what circular logging is? Do you know what the logfiles are for? -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 On this particular server we are doing circular logging but that shouldn't hurt anything. We were using BE's OFO but my Sys MGR again made us shut it off because we were having constant problems with it. When you say flush the logs does, what exactly do you mean? OH MY GODS AND GODDESSES!! No wonder you have trouble with this server. Stop the BLB and do it the right way - pub and priv and flush logs when complete. You aren't doing circular logging too, are you? Just use the exchange agent from BE and you never have to stop ANY service. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
I don't get it. What gives you the impression I don't know what Circular Logging is? Just because I have it turned on. I would turn it off if we could figure out how to back up the edb files and could flush the log files. It sounds like you don't really know what circular logging is, or what the impact is. Please, for the sake of your job, your company and your company's mail resources, locate and print out the Exchange 5.5 Backup and Disaster Recovery whitepapers from MS' website. Do not leave the building without having the printouts in your hands. Do not go to sleep tonight until you have read them. All will be explained in those whitepapers. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know what circular logging is and that's why we have it turned on. My plan is to just stop the services and backup the pub.edb and priv.edb until we can get the OF Agent working. As far as BLB's, the FIRM has to do those I've tried to get them to not do them but they want to be able to restore a mailbox. This is a law firm remember the Lawyers are in charge not IT. Flushing the log files are I guess removing them or renaming them. Do you know what circular logging is? Do you know what the logfiles are for? -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 On this particular server we are doing circular logging but that shouldn't hurt anything. We were using BE's OFO but my Sys MGR again made us shut it off because we were having constant problems with it. When you say flush the logs does, what exactly do you mean? OH MY GODS AND GODDESSES!! No wonder you have trouble with this server. Stop the BLB and do it the right way - pub and priv and flush logs when complete. You aren't doing circular logging too, are you? Just use the exchange agent from BE and you never have to stop ANY service. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
I'm not trying to be an @$$hole here, but I stand behind my statement. As others have said: - Don't do BLBs - Don't use any vendor's OF agent on your Exchange server. - Perform a proper Exchange backup. How? Read the WPs and report back tomorrow with any additional questions. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't get it. What gives you the impression I don't know what Circular Logging is? Just because I have it turned on. I would turn it off if we could figure out how to back up the edb files and could flush the log files. It sounds like you don't really know what circular logging is, or what the impact is. Please, for the sake of your job, your company and your company's mail resources, locate and print out the Exchange 5.5 Backup and Disaster Recovery whitepapers from MS' website. Do not leave the building without having the printouts in your hands. Do not go to sleep tonight until you have read them. All will be explained in those whitepapers. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know what circular logging is and that's why we have it turned on. My plan is to just stop the services and backup the pub.edb and priv.edb until we can get the OF Agent working. As far as BLB's, the FIRM has to do those I've tried to get them to not do them but they want to be able to restore a mailbox. This is a law firm remember the Lawyers are in charge not IT. Flushing the log files are I guess removing them or renaming them. Do you know what circular logging is? Do you know what the logfiles are for? -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 On this particular server we are doing circular logging but that shouldn't hurt anything. We were using BE's OFO but my Sys MGR again made us shut it off because we were having constant problems with it. When you say flush the logs does, what exactly do you mean? OH MY GODS AND GODDESSES!! No wonder you have trouble with this server. Stop the BLB and do it the right way - pub and priv and flush logs when complete. You aren't doing circular logging too, are you? Just use the exchange agent from BE and you never have to stop ANY service. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_f aq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
If you have the Exchange agent installed in BE, and go into the Backup Selections tab, you should see the Directory and Information stores listed separately under your Exchange server, along with any disk drives and the selection for the mailboxes. If you're not seeing them there then I don't think you have the Exchange Agent installed. You don't back them up by selecting the edb files themselves, unless of course you're doing an offline backup. -Peter -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 13:09 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't get it. What gives you the impression I don't know what Circular Logging is? Just because I have it turned on. I would turn it off if we could figure out how to back up the edb files and could flush the log files. It sounds like you don't really know what circular logging is, or what the impact is. Please, for the sake of your job, your company and your company's mail resources, locate and print out the Exchange 5.5 Backup and Disaster Recovery whitepapers from MS' website. Do not leave the building without having the printouts in your hands. Do not go to sleep tonight until you have read them. All will be explained in those whitepapers. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know what circular logging is and that's why we have it turned on. My plan is to just stop the services and backup the pub.edb and priv.edb until we can get the OF Agent working. As far as BLB's, the FIRM has to do those I've tried to get them to not do them but they want to be able to restore a mailbox. This is a law firm remember the Lawyers are in charge not IT. Flushing the log files are I guess removing them or renaming them. Do you know what circular logging is? Do you know what the logfiles are for? -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 On this particular server we are doing circular logging but that shouldn't hurt anything. We were using BE's OFO but my Sys MGR again made us shut it off because we were having constant problems with it. When you say flush the logs does, what exactly do you mean? OH MY GODS AND GODDESSES!! No wonder you have trouble with this server. Stop the BLB and do it the right way - pub and priv and flush logs when complete. You aren't doing circular logging too, are you? Just use the exchange agent from BE and you never have to stop ANY service. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This message is private or privileged. If you are not the person for whom this message is intended, please delete it and notify me immediately, and please do not copy or send this message to anyone else. _ List
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Assuming that you actually DO have the Exchange agent installed, on the Backup Selections tab in BackupExec, expand the entry for your mail server and you should see (among other things): Add-ins Address C$ connect$ D$ Microsoft Exchange Directory Microsoft Exchange Information Store Microsoft Exchange Mailboxes If you're doing brick-level-backups, you must be checking the Microsoft Exchange Mailboxes box. Instead, you *should* be checking the Microsoft Exchange Directory and Microsoft Exchange Information Store boxes. Checking those boxes will tell Backup Exec to back up the directory and the information store, respectively. If you do NOT see any of those boxes, then you do NOT have the Exchange agent installed. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't get it. What gives you the impression I don't know what Circular Logging is? Just because I have it turned on. I would turn it off if we could figure out how to back up the edb files and could flush the log files. It sounds like you don't really know what circular logging is, or what the impact is. Please, for the sake of your job, your company and your company's mail resources, locate and print out the Exchange 5.5 Backup and Disaster Recovery whitepapers from MS' website. Do not leave the building without having the printouts in your hands. Do not go to sleep tonight until you have read them. All will be explained in those whitepapers. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know what circular logging is and that's why we have it turned on. My plan is to just stop the services and backup the pub.edb and priv.edb until we can get the OF Agent working. As far as BLB's, the FIRM has to do those I've tried to get them to not do them but they want to be able to restore a mailbox. This is a law firm remember the Lawyers are in charge not IT. Flushing the log files are I guess removing them or renaming them. Do you know what circular logging is? Do you know what the logfiles are for? -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 On this particular server we are doing circular logging but that shouldn't hurt anything. We were using BE's OFO but my Sys MGR again made us shut it off because we were having constant problems with it. When you say flush the logs does, what exactly do you mean? OH MY GODS AND GODDESSES!! No wonder you have trouble with this server. Stop the BLB and do it the right way - pub and priv and flush logs when complete. You aren't doing circular logging too, are you? Just use the exchange agent from BE and you never have to stop ANY service. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
And I am right behind you Erik on Don't do BLBs and do a little reading. Jeesh. If you have been on this list even just lurking in the background, you would see how many times we say NO BLBs with that hamburger. Geoff... -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I'm not trying to be an @$$hole here, but I stand behind my statement. As others have said: - Don't do BLBs - Don't use any vendor's OF agent on your Exchange server. - Perform a proper Exchange backup. How? Read the WPs and report back tomorrow with any additional questions. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't get it. What gives you the impression I don't know what Circular Logging is? Just because I have it turned on. I would turn it off if we could figure out how to back up the edb files and could flush the log files. It sounds like you don't really know what circular logging is, or what the impact is. Please, for the sake of your job, your company and your company's mail resources, locate and print out the Exchange 5.5 Backup and Disaster Recovery whitepapers from MS' website. Do not leave the building without having the printouts in your hands. Do not go to sleep tonight until you have read them. All will be explained in those whitepapers. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know what circular logging is and that's why we have it turned on. My plan is to just stop the services and backup the pub.edb and priv.edb until we can get the OF Agent working. As far as BLB's, the FIRM has to do those I've tried to get them to not do them but they want to be able to restore a mailbox. This is a law firm remember the Lawyers are in charge not IT. Flushing the log files are I guess removing them or renaming them. Do you know what circular logging is? Do you know what the logfiles are for? -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 On this particular server we are doing circular logging but that shouldn't hurt anything. We were using BE's OFO but my Sys MGR again made us shut it off because we were having constant problems with it. When you say flush the logs does, what exactly do you mean? OH MY GODS AND GODDESSES!! No wonder you have trouble with this server. Stop the BLB and do it the right way - pub and priv and flush logs when complete. You aren't doing circular logging too, are you? Just use the exchange agent from BE and you never have to stop ANY service. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_f aq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
If you download the lastest copy of Backup Exec from their site, you get all features, including Exchange Agent for the 30 day trial. I have attached a screenshot of what you should see in backup exec if you have Excahgne Agent installed.(Not to the list, just Karen) Brian Dugas MIS Director Summit Technical Services, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.summit-technical.com Phone: 401-736-8323 x11 Fax: 401-738-9813 -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 If you have the Exchange agent installed in BE, and go into the Backup Selections tab, you should see the Directory and Information stores listed separately under your Exchange server, along with any disk drives and the selection for the mailboxes. If you're not seeing them there then I don't think you have the Exchange Agent installed. You don't back them up by selecting the edb files themselves, unless of course you're doing an offline backup. -Peter -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 13:09 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't get it. What gives you the impression I don't know what Circular Logging is? Just because I have it turned on. I would turn it off if we could figure out how to back up the edb files and could flush the log files. It sounds like you don't really know what circular logging is, or what the impact is. Please, for the sake of your job, your company and your company's mail resources, locate and print out the Exchange 5.5 Backup and Disaster Recovery whitepapers from MS' website. Do not leave the building without having the printouts in your hands. Do not go to sleep tonight until you have read them. All will be explained in those whitepapers. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know what circular logging is and that's why we have it turned on. My plan is to just stop the services and backup the pub.edb and priv.edb until we can get the OF Agent working. As far as BLB's, the FIRM has to do those I've tried to get them to not do them but they want to be able to restore a mailbox. This is a law firm remember the Lawyers are in charge not IT. Flushing the log files are I guess removing them or renaming them. Do you know what circular logging is? Do you know what the logfiles are for? -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 On this particular server we are doing circular logging but that shouldn't hurt anything. We were using BE's OFO but my Sys MGR again made us shut it off because we were having constant problems with it. When you say flush the logs does, what exactly do you mean? OH MY GODS AND GODDESSES!! No wonder you have trouble with this server. Stop the BLB and do it the right way - pub and priv and flush logs when complete. You aren't doing circular logging too, are you? Just use the exchange agent from BE and you never have to stop ANY service. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Karon, I'm about as stupid as they come when it comes to Exchange, but I fail to understand why you're having such a problem understanding this. Here is an excerpt for you to read. If after reading this, you still can't understand everyone's arguments for turning off circular logging, you may want to rething your career choice. = Excerpt from Managing Microsoft Exchange Server by Paul Robichaux, published by O'Reilly Books, printed in July 1999 and reprinted in May 2001. Circular Logging - Chapter 2: Exchange Architecture, Pages 35-37 Since a new log file is created whenever the current one fills up, log files can potentially take up a large amount of space on your disk. One solution is to put them on a dedicated disk (more on that in Chapter 3, Exchange Planning); another is to enable circular logging. Normally, every log file is kept until its transactions have been committed; the files are usually purged when backups are made. However, when you enable circular logging, Exchange will keep a fixed number of log files, rolling from one to another as transactions arrive. The default number is four, but Exchange may use extra log files if a large set of transactions arrives. As the fourth log file fills up, Exchange will commit transactions from the first file; when the fourth file is completely full, all transactions will be flushed from the first file and it will be reused. However, since these additional log files are never deleted, a very busy server can still use more than the default 25MB circular logging allocation. Circular logging is turned on by default in Exchange. This is actually a bad thing, since with circular logging on, you only have the most recent transactions in the log files-older data is lost as the circle rolls around. Without a complete record of all transactions posted to the database, recovering the entire database may be difficult if you don't notice that it has been corrupted or damaged for a while. Circular logging also limits your backup choices, as you'll see in the next section. In Microsoft's defense,circular logging does keep log files from filling the entire disk, making it possible for novice administrators to run Exchange without being aware of its disk space or backup needs. Having said that, you should immediately turn circular logging off as soon as you install Exchange. When it's on, it's much more difficult to recover the IS from a backup. With 10GB disks selling for less than US$150, there's no excuse for not having enough disk space for the log files. Logging and the Databases - Chapter 17: Recovery and Repair, Page 555 The biggest stumbling block to successful Exchange recovery is circular logging; when you enable it, you're giving Exchange permission to throw away log data. With circular logging off, as long as you have a good copy of your transaction logs, you can restore your database to a consistent and correct state. If being able to recover your data is more important than the cost of having to buy enough disk space, turn circular logging off on your IS servers. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't get it. What gives you the impression I don't know what Circular Logging is? Just because I have it turned on. I would turn it off if we could figure out how to back up the edb files and could flush the log files. It sounds like you don't really know what circular logging is, or what the impact is. Please, for the sake of your job, your company and your company's mail resources, locate and print out the Exchange 5.5 Backup and Disaster Recovery whitepapers from MS' website. Do not leave the building without having the printouts in your hands. Do not go to sleep tonight until you have read them. All will be explained in those whitepapers. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know what circular logging is and that's why we have it turned on. My plan is to just stop the services and backup the pub.edb and priv.edb until we can get the OF Agent working. As far as BLB's, the FIRM has to do those I've tried to get them to not do them but they want to be able to restore a mailbox. This is a law firm remember the Lawyers are in charge not IT. Flushing the log files are I guess removing them or renaming them. Do you know what circular logging is? Do you know what the logfiles are for? -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
I'm also doing BLB cause I'm figuring that I might as well cover the bases twice if I can. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Weathersby, Bryce Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Yes that is getting the full IS store... Not doing BLB but the full Monty. Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 What does it look like in the Job Log.All I see is the exchange mailboxes, and the IS being backuped. Though for the Backup Type on the IS it's says Full - Database Logs (flush committed logs). I'm getting it right there aren't I? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Weathersby, Bryce Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 The Exchange Agent will back up the entire file, the Exchange Information Store. Instead of doing the BLB just the backup of the IS is done. Much faster. If the lawyers are really concerned about the ability to restore one mailbox, look at a tool from Ontrack called PowerControls. It allows you to open up the .edb file and restore one mail or folder or email email back to the exchange server, or out to a .pst. I used it to help recover from a disaster. It opened the file even when all of the Microsoft recovery attempts failed. I did not recover every mailbox, but I got 93.6% back (long story). Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 We are using BE ver 8.5 getting ready to upgrade to 8.6 and we're using the Exchange Agent but not the Open File Agent. We cannot backup the pub.edb and priv.edb without using the Open File Agent. You have to stop the services in order to back up those files. Somone on here mentioned an Exchange Module is that something different than an Exchange Agent? I'd like to know how some of you are backing up the pub.ed and priv.edb without stopping the services. Karon PS the fact that you are likely doing BLB would contribute to the problems you indicated with backing up in the last post you did... 1.) read the FAQ 2.) sound like you have the exchnage agent loaded (must have to be able to do BLB) lose the Open File Agent (assuming you are not confusing the Open File with the Exchange Agent) 3.) Lose the BLB, and back up the IS..etc... (read the BE stuff too its good) 4.) Lose your Sys Mgr with all there cert's obviously that are doing no good... bill -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
I don't see the Microsoft Exchange Directory listed on my BE list. What's it do? I do see the mailboxes and the IS entries. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Koch Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Assuming that you actually DO have the Exchange agent installed, on the Backup Selections tab in BackupExec, expand the entry for your mail server and you should see (among other things): Add-ins Address C$ connect$ D$ Microsoft Exchange Directory Microsoft Exchange Information Store Microsoft Exchange Mailboxes If you're doing brick-level-backups, you must be checking the Microsoft Exchange Mailboxes box. Instead, you *should* be checking the Microsoft Exchange Directory and Microsoft Exchange Information Store boxes. Checking those boxes will tell Backup Exec to back up the directory and the information store, respectively. If you do NOT see any of those boxes, then you do NOT have the Exchange agent installed. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't get it. What gives you the impression I don't know what Circular Logging is? Just because I have it turned on. I would turn it off if we could figure out how to back up the edb files and could flush the log files. It sounds like you don't really know what circular logging is, or what the impact is. Please, for the sake of your job, your company and your company's mail resources, locate and print out the Exchange 5.5 Backup and Disaster Recovery whitepapers from MS' website. Do not leave the building without having the printouts in your hands. Do not go to sleep tonight until you have read them. All will be explained in those whitepapers. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know what circular logging is and that's why we have it turned on. My plan is to just stop the services and backup the pub.edb and priv.edb until we can get the OF Agent working. As far as BLB's, the FIRM has to do those I've tried to get them to not do them but they want to be able to restore a mailbox. This is a law firm remember the Lawyers are in charge not IT. Flushing the log files are I guess removing them or renaming them. Do you know what circular logging is? Do you know what the logfiles are for? -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 On this particular server we are doing circular logging but that shouldn't hurt anything. We were using BE's OFO but my Sys MGR again made us shut it off because we were having constant problems with it. When you say flush the logs does, what exactly do you mean? OH MY GODS AND GODDESSES!! No wonder you have trouble with this server. Stop the BLB and do it the right way - pub and priv and flush logs when complete. You aren't doing circular logging too, are you? Just use the exchange agent from BE and you never have to stop ANY service. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
In my BE Log I have an entry for \\Server\Microsoft Exchange Directory and another entry group for \\Server\Microsoft Exchange Information Store. The description for each is obvious. Directory is the Exchange Directory, where all of that information is stored, and the other is the Information store where all the mail, contacts, etc reside. Clear enough? Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 3:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't see the Microsoft Exchange Directory listed on my BE list. What's it do? I do see the mailboxes and the IS entries. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Koch Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Assuming that you actually DO have the Exchange agent installed, on the Backup Selections tab in BackupExec, expand the entry for your mail server and you should see (among other things): Add-ins Address C$ connect$ D$ Microsoft Exchange Directory Microsoft Exchange Information Store Microsoft Exchange Mailboxes If you're doing brick-level-backups, you must be checking the Microsoft Exchange Mailboxes box. Instead, you *should* be checking the Microsoft Exchange Directory and Microsoft Exchange Information Store boxes. Checking those boxes will tell Backup Exec to back up the directory and the information store, respectively. If you do NOT see any of those boxes, then you do NOT have the Exchange agent installed. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't get it. What gives you the impression I don't know what Circular Logging is? Just because I have it turned on. I would turn it off if we could figure out how to back up the edb files and could flush the log files. It sounds like you don't really know what circular logging is, or what the impact is. Please, for the sake of your job, your company and your company's mail resources, locate and print out the Exchange 5.5 Backup and Disaster Recovery whitepapers from MS' website. Do not leave the building without having the printouts in your hands. Do not go to sleep tonight until you have read them. All will be explained in those whitepapers. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know what circular logging is and that's why we have it turned on. My plan is to just stop the services and backup the pub.edb and priv.edb until we can get the OF Agent working. As far as BLB's, the FIRM has to do those I've tried to get them to not do them but they want to be able to restore a mailbox. This is a law firm remember the Lawyers are in charge not IT. Flushing the log files are I guess removing them or renaming them. Do you know what circular logging is? Do you know what the logfiles are for? -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 On this particular server we are doing circular logging but that shouldn't hurt anything. We were using BE's OFO but my Sys MGR again made us shut it off because we were having constant problems with it. When you say flush the logs does, what exactly do you mean? OH MY GODS AND GODDESSES!! No wonder you have trouble with this server. Stop the BLB and do it the right way - pub and priv and flush logs when complete. You aren't doing circular logging too, are you? Just use the exchange agent from BE and you never have to stop ANY service. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically to back those up? And how often? We're not using the Open File Agent. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Ok so any idea on why the Exchange Directory wouldn't be showing up on mine. Could it be cause I'm using the SBS edition of E2K? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Weathersby, Bryce Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 In my BE Log I have an entry for \\Server\Microsoft Exchange Directory and another entry group for \\Server\Microsoft Exchange Information Store. The description for each is obvious. Directory is the Exchange Directory, where all of that information is stored, and the other is the Information store where all the mail, contacts, etc reside. Clear enough? Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 3:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't see the Microsoft Exchange Directory listed on my BE list. What's it do? I do see the mailboxes and the IS entries. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Koch Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Assuming that you actually DO have the Exchange agent installed, on the Backup Selections tab in BackupExec, expand the entry for your mail server and you should see (among other things): Add-ins Address C$ connect$ D$ Microsoft Exchange Directory Microsoft Exchange Information Store Microsoft Exchange Mailboxes If you're doing brick-level-backups, you must be checking the Microsoft Exchange Mailboxes box. Instead, you *should* be checking the Microsoft Exchange Directory and Microsoft Exchange Information Store boxes. Checking those boxes will tell Backup Exec to back up the directory and the information store, respectively. If you do NOT see any of those boxes, then you do NOT have the Exchange agent installed. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't get it. What gives you the impression I don't know what Circular Logging is? Just because I have it turned on. I would turn it off if we could figure out how to back up the edb files and could flush the log files. It sounds like you don't really know what circular logging is, or what the impact is. Please, for the sake of your job, your company and your company's mail resources, locate and print out the Exchange 5.5 Backup and Disaster Recovery whitepapers from MS' website. Do not leave the building without having the printouts in your hands. Do not go to sleep tonight until you have read them. All will be explained in those whitepapers. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know what circular logging is and that's why we have it turned on. My plan is to just stop the services and backup the pub.edb and priv.edb until we can get the OF Agent working. As far as BLB's, the FIRM has to do those I've tried to get them to not do them but they want to be able to restore a mailbox. This is a law firm remember the Lawyers are in charge not IT. Flushing the log files are I guess removing them or renaming them. Do you know what circular logging is? Do you know what the logfiles are for? -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 On this particular server we are doing circular logging but that shouldn't hurt anything. We were using BE's OFO but my Sys MGR again made us shut it off because we were having constant problems with it. When you say flush the logs does, what exactly do you mean? OH MY GODS AND GODDESSES!! No wonder you have trouble with this server. Stop the BLB and do it the right way - pub and priv and flush logs when complete. You aren't doing circular logging too, are you? Just use the exchange agent from BE and you never have to stop ANY service. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know this has come up before but how is everyone else backing up their Exchange servers. We're using Backup Exec and only backing up the mailboxes not the pub.edb or priv.edb. Is it wise to stop those services periodically
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
It's because there is no separate Exchange directory in E2K like there is in 5.5. -Peter -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 14:12 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Ok so any idea on why the Exchange Directory wouldn't be showing up on mine. Could it be cause I'm using the SBS edition of E2K? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Weathersby, Bryce Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 In my BE Log I have an entry for \\Server\Microsoft Exchange Directory and another entry group for \\Server\Microsoft Exchange Information Store. The description for each is obvious. Directory is the Exchange Directory, where all of that information is stored, and the other is the Information store where all the mail, contacts, etc reside. Clear enough? Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 3:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't see the Microsoft Exchange Directory listed on my BE list. What's it do? I do see the mailboxes and the IS entries. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Koch Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Assuming that you actually DO have the Exchange agent installed, on the Backup Selections tab in BackupExec, expand the entry for your mail server and you should see (among other things): Add-ins Address C$ connect$ D$ Microsoft Exchange Directory Microsoft Exchange Information Store Microsoft Exchange Mailboxes If you're doing brick-level-backups, you must be checking the Microsoft Exchange Mailboxes box. Instead, you *should* be checking the Microsoft Exchange Directory and Microsoft Exchange Information Store boxes. Checking those boxes will tell Backup Exec to back up the directory and the information store, respectively. If you do NOT see any of those boxes, then you do NOT have the Exchange agent installed. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't get it. What gives you the impression I don't know what Circular Logging is? Just because I have it turned on. I would turn it off if we could figure out how to back up the edb files and could flush the log files. It sounds like you don't really know what circular logging is, or what the impact is. Please, for the sake of your job, your company and your company's mail resources, locate and print out the Exchange 5.5 Backup and Disaster Recovery whitepapers from MS' website. Do not leave the building without having the printouts in your hands. Do not go to sleep tonight until you have read them. All will be explained in those whitepapers. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know what circular logging is and that's why we have it turned on. My plan is to just stop the services and backup the pub.edb and priv.edb until we can get the OF Agent working. As far as BLB's, the FIRM has to do those I've tried to get them to not do them but they want to be able to restore a mailbox. This is a law firm remember the Lawyers are in charge not IT. Flushing the log files are I guess removing them or renaming them. Do you know what circular logging is? Do you know what the logfiles are for? -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 On this particular server we are doing circular logging but that shouldn't hurt anything. We were using BE's OFO but my Sys MGR again made us shut it off because we were having constant problems with it. When you say flush the logs does, what exactly do you mean? OH MY GODS AND GODDESSES!! No wonder you have trouble with this server. Stop the BLB and do it the right way - pub and priv and flush logs when complete. You aren't doing circular logging too, are you? Just use the exchange agent from BE and you never have to stop ANY service. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Backing up
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
D'OH! -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 5:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 It's because there is no separate Exchange directory in E2K like there is in 5.5. -Peter -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 14:12 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Ok so any idea on why the Exchange Directory wouldn't be showing up on mine. Could it be cause I'm using the SBS edition of E2K? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Weathersby, Bryce Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 In my BE Log I have an entry for \\Server\Microsoft Exchange Directory and another entry group for \\Server\Microsoft Exchange Information Store. The description for each is obvious. Directory is the Exchange Directory, where all of that information is stored, and the other is the Information store where all the mail, contacts, etc reside. Clear enough? Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 3:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't see the Microsoft Exchange Directory listed on my BE list. What's it do? I do see the mailboxes and the IS entries. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Koch Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Assuming that you actually DO have the Exchange agent installed, on the Backup Selections tab in BackupExec, expand the entry for your mail server and you should see (among other things): Add-ins Address C$ connect$ D$ Microsoft Exchange Directory Microsoft Exchange Information Store Microsoft Exchange Mailboxes If you're doing brick-level-backups, you must be checking the Microsoft Exchange Mailboxes box. Instead, you *should* be checking the Microsoft Exchange Directory and Microsoft Exchange Information Store boxes. Checking those boxes will tell Backup Exec to back up the directory and the information store, respectively. If you do NOT see any of those boxes, then you do NOT have the Exchange agent installed. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't get it. What gives you the impression I don't know what Circular Logging is? Just because I have it turned on. I would turn it off if we could figure out how to back up the edb files and could flush the log files. It sounds like you don't really know what circular logging is, or what the impact is. Please, for the sake of your job, your company and your company's mail resources, locate and print out the Exchange 5.5 Backup and Disaster Recovery whitepapers from MS' website. Do not leave the building without having the printouts in your hands. Do not go to sleep tonight until you have read them. All will be explained in those whitepapers. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know what circular logging is and that's why we have it turned on. My plan is to just stop the services and backup the pub.edb and priv.edb until we can get the OF Agent working. As far as BLB's, the FIRM has to do those I've tried to get them to not do them but they want to be able to restore a mailbox. This is a law firm remember the Lawyers are in charge not IT. Flushing the log files are I guess removing them or renaming them. Do you know what circular logging is? Do you know what the logfiles are for? -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 On this particular server we are doing circular logging but that shouldn't hurt anything. We were using BE's OFO but my Sys MGR again made us shut it off because we were having constant problems with it. When you say flush the logs does, what exactly do you mean? OH MY GODS AND GODDESSES!! No wonder you have trouble with this server. Stop the BLB and do
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Ah thanksI was starting to think something was wrong -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Durkee, Peter Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:17 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 It's because there is no separate Exchange directory in E2K like there is in 5.5. -Peter -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 14:12 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Ok so any idea on why the Exchange Directory wouldn't be showing up on mine. Could it be cause I'm using the SBS edition of E2K? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Weathersby, Bryce Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 In my BE Log I have an entry for \\Server\Microsoft Exchange Directory and another entry group for \\Server\Microsoft Exchange Information Store. The description for each is obvious. Directory is the Exchange Directory, where all of that information is stored, and the other is the Information store where all the mail, contacts, etc reside. Clear enough? Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 3:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't see the Microsoft Exchange Directory listed on my BE list. What's it do? I do see the mailboxes and the IS entries. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Koch Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Assuming that you actually DO have the Exchange agent installed, on the Backup Selections tab in BackupExec, expand the entry for your mail server and you should see (among other things): Add-ins Address C$ connect$ D$ Microsoft Exchange Directory Microsoft Exchange Information Store Microsoft Exchange Mailboxes If you're doing brick-level-backups, you must be checking the Microsoft Exchange Mailboxes box. Instead, you *should* be checking the Microsoft Exchange Directory and Microsoft Exchange Information Store boxes. Checking those boxes will tell Backup Exec to back up the directory and the information store, respectively. If you do NOT see any of those boxes, then you do NOT have the Exchange agent installed. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't get it. What gives you the impression I don't know what Circular Logging is? Just because I have it turned on. I would turn it off if we could figure out how to back up the edb files and could flush the log files. It sounds like you don't really know what circular logging is, or what the impact is. Please, for the sake of your job, your company and your company's mail resources, locate and print out the Exchange 5.5 Backup and Disaster Recovery whitepapers from MS' website. Do not leave the building without having the printouts in your hands. Do not go to sleep tonight until you have read them. All will be explained in those whitepapers. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know what circular logging is and that's why we have it turned on. My plan is to just stop the services and backup the pub.edb and priv.edb until we can get the OF Agent working. As far as BLB's, the FIRM has to do those I've tried to get them to not do them but they want to be able to restore a mailbox. This is a law firm remember the Lawyers are in charge not IT. Flushing the log files are I guess removing them or renaming them. Do you know what circular logging is? Do you know what the logfiles are for? -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 On this particular server we are doing circular logging but that shouldn't hurt anything. We were using BE's OFO but my Sys MGR again made us shut it off because we were having constant problems with it. When you say flush the logs does, what exactly do you mean? OH MY GODS AND GODDESSES!! No wonder you have trouble with this server. Stop the BLB and do it the right way - pub and priv and flush logs when complete. You aren't doing circular logging too, are you
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
That would be covered by your backup of the system state. You are backing up the system state, aren't you? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Christopher Hummert Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:12 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Ok so any idea on why the Exchange Directory wouldn't be showing up on mine. Could it be cause I'm using the SBS edition of E2K? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Weathersby, Bryce Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 In my BE Log I have an entry for \\Server\Microsoft Exchange Directory and another entry group for \\Server\Microsoft Exchange Information Store. The description for each is obvious. Directory is the Exchange Directory, where all of that information is stored, and the other is the Information store where all the mail, contacts, etc reside. Clear enough? Bryce Weathersby Networking Specialist I Lamar Institute Of Technology Beaumont, TX Phone: 409-839-2040 Fax: 409-839-2931 http://www.lit.edu -Original Message- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 3:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't see the Microsoft Exchange Directory listed on my BE list. What's it do? I do see the mailboxes and the IS entries. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Koch Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Assuming that you actually DO have the Exchange agent installed, on the Backup Selections tab in BackupExec, expand the entry for your mail server and you should see (among other things): Add-ins Address C$ connect$ D$ Microsoft Exchange Directory Microsoft Exchange Information Store Microsoft Exchange Mailboxes If you're doing brick-level-backups, you must be checking the Microsoft Exchange Mailboxes box. Instead, you *should* be checking the Microsoft Exchange Directory and Microsoft Exchange Information Store boxes. Checking those boxes will tell Backup Exec to back up the directory and the information store, respectively. If you do NOT see any of those boxes, then you do NOT have the Exchange agent installed. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't get it. What gives you the impression I don't know what Circular Logging is? Just because I have it turned on. I would turn it off if we could figure out how to back up the edb files and could flush the log files. It sounds like you don't really know what circular logging is, or what the impact is. Please, for the sake of your job, your company and your company's mail resources, locate and print out the Exchange 5.5 Backup and Disaster Recovery whitepapers from MS' website. Do not leave the building without having the printouts in your hands. Do not go to sleep tonight until you have read them. All will be explained in those whitepapers. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 I know what circular logging is and that's why we have it turned on. My plan is to just stop the services and backup the pub.edb and priv.edb until we can get the OF Agent working. As far as BLB's, the FIRM has to do those I've tried to get them to not do them but they want to be able to restore a mailbox. This is a law firm remember the Lawyers are in charge not IT. Flushing the log files are I guess removing them or renaming them. Do you know what circular logging is? Do you know what the logfiles are for? -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 On this particular server we are doing circular logging but that shouldn't hurt anything. We were using BE's OFO but my Sys MGR again made us shut it off because we were having constant problems with it. When you say flush the logs does, what exactly do you mean? OH MY GODS AND GODDESSES!! No wonder you have trouble with this server. Stop the BLB and do it the right way - pub and priv and flush logs when complete. You aren't doing circular logging too, are you? Just use the exchange agent from BE and you never have to stop ANY service
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Hi All, I'm new to this list and to Exchange. That means don't attack me when I ask this question. :) I understand about circular logging, but I'm wondering why everyone is saying not to do BLBs. My backups are fine and I'm not having any trouble. I'm backing up the Exchange Directory and Information store along with brick levels. I just would like to understand what is wrong with doing a BLB. I tried to find some info about it, but haven't been able to. If someone could point me in the right direction for the WP on this or just explain it, I would appreciate it. I'm just trying to learn about this. Thanks Delores *** The information supplied in this message may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, the sender does not intend delivery to you to waive any privilege or right pertaining to this message. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail, and delete the errant message. Thank you. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5
Brick backups are a kludgy crutch designed for administrators who insist on managing their Exchange environments as they managed their MS Mail environments. http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_appxb.htm Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Elias, Delores Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backing up Exchange 5.5 Hi All, I'm new to this list and to Exchange. That means don't attack me when I ask this question. :) I understand about circular logging, but I'm wondering why everyone is saying not to do BLBs. My backups are fine and I'm not having any trouble. I'm backing up the Exchange Directory and Information store along with brick levels. I just would like to understand what is wrong with doing a BLB. I tried to find some info about it, but haven't been able to. If someone could point me in the right direction for the WP on this or just explain it, I would appreciate it. I'm just trying to learn about this. Thanks Delores *** The information supplied in this message may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, the sender does not intend delivery to you to waive any privilege or right pertaining to this message. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail, and delete the errant message. Thank you. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5
My company prefers to backup individual mailboxes (brick level backups) and we're using the latest version of Backup Exec. It seems to put a load on the server though and occassionally gives us problems. We aren't even able to get a full backup every night of the whole server but just the .EDB files due to the mailboxes being so large. You see, we don't enforce limits on mailboxes however, I've tried to convince management otherwise. What's the best practice for backing up an Exchange 5.5 system? What's the best backup software? Also we have to occassionally restore mailboxes on the server and will get Access denied to directory errors and a reboot is the only way to fix that. I'm told this is due to no physical memory available because the store eats it all up but from the research I've done, this isn't what that error is from. Any help, advice, or suggestions would be great. Karon Miller Systems Administrator Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5
Go buy CommVault. Mention my name and get a 0.00% discount. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 My company prefers to backup individual mailboxes (brick level backups) and we're using the latest version of Backup Exec. It seems to put a load on the server though and occassionally gives us problems. We aren't even able to get a full backup every night of the whole server but just the .EDB files due to the mailboxes being so large. You see, we don't enforce limits on mailboxes however, I've tried to convince management otherwise. What's the best practice for backing up an Exchange 5.5 system? What's the best backup software? Also we have to occassionally restore mailboxes on the server and will get Access denied to directory errors and a reboot is the only way to fix that. I'm told this is due to no physical memory available because the store eats it all up but from the research I've done, this isn't what that error is from. Any help, advice, or suggestions would be great. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5
1) Stop doing BLB. You know yourself that they don't work. Just use an Exchange aware backup program (I use BackupExce) and backup the whole thing at one time. You will continue to have nothing but problems no matter what software you use to do it. 2) Setup Deleted Item Retention. Choose how long you want to save deleted emails and make that the policy on recovering them. We do 30 days. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 My company prefers to backup individual mailboxes (brick level backups) and we're using the latest version of Backup Exec. It seems to put a load on the server though and occassionally gives us problems. We aren't even able to get a full backup every night of the whole server but just the .EDB files due to the mailboxes being so large. You see, we don't enforce limits on mailboxes however, I've tried to convince management otherwise. What's the best practice for backing up an Exchange 5.5 system? What's the best backup software? Also we have to occassionally restore mailboxes on the server and will get Access denied to directory errors and a reboot is the only way to fix that. I'm told this is due to no physical memory available because the store eats it all up but from the research I've done, this isn't what that error is from. Any help, advice, or suggestions would be great. Karon Miller Systems Administrator Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5
Friggin stop doing BLBS. BE is a good choice. Build a recovery/test server http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/administration/55/BackupRestore.a sp -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 My company prefers to backup individual mailboxes (brick level backups) and we're using the latest version of Backup Exec. It seems to put a load on the server though and occassionally gives us problems. We aren't even able to get a full backup every night of the whole server but just the .EDB files due to the mailboxes being so large. You see, we don't enforce limits on mailboxes however, I've tried to convince management otherwise. What's the best practice for backing up an Exchange 5.5 system? What's the best backup software? Also we have to occassionally restore mailboxes on the server and will get Access denied to directory errors and a reboot is the only way to fix that. I'm told this is due to no physical memory available because the store eats it all up but from the research I've done, this isn't what that error is from. Any help, advice, or suggestions would be great. Karon Miller Systems Administrator Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you. == _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5
Actually the best answer to that question might be just a tad more complicated than that (didn't realize you worked for lawyers when I crafted my first reply). Y'all probably have some regulatory retention policy issues which make the broader management issues more difficult to boil down into what backup software should I be using. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 Go buy CommVault. Mention my name and get a 0.00% discount. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 My company prefers to backup individual mailboxes (brick level backups) and we're using the latest version of Backup Exec. It seems to put a load on the server though and occassionally gives us problems. We aren't even able to get a full backup every night of the whole server but just the .EDB files due to the mailboxes being so large. You see, we don't enforce limits on mailboxes however, I've tried to convince management otherwise. What's the best practice for backing up an Exchange 5.5 system? What's the best backup software? Also we have to occassionally restore mailboxes on the server and will get Access denied to directory errors and a reboot is the only way to fix that. I'm told this is due to no physical memory available because the store eats it all up but from the research I've done, this isn't what that error is from. Any help, advice, or suggestions would be great. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5
-Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 1) Stop doing BLB. You know yourself that they don't work. Just use an Exchange aware backup program (I use BackupExce) and backup the whole thing at one time. You will continue to have nothing but problems no matter what software you use to do it. 2) Setup Deleted Item Retention. Choose how long you want to save deleted emails and make that the policy on recovering them. We do 30 days. 3) Follow the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method. It works better than New Math, and is easier than learning Greek. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 My company prefers to backup individual mailboxes (brick level backups) and we're using the latest version of Backup Exec. It seems to put a load on the server though and occassionally gives us problems. We aren't even able to get a full backup every night of the whole server but just the .EDB files due to the mailboxes being so large. You see, we don't enforce limits on mailboxes however, I've tried to convince management otherwise. What's the best practice for backing up an Exchange 5.5 system? What's the best backup software? Also we have to occassionally restore mailboxes on the server and will get Access denied to directory errors and a reboot is the only way to fix that. I'm told this is due to no physical memory available because the store eats it all up but from the research I've done, this isn't what that error is from. Any help, advice, or suggestions would be great. Karon Miller Systems Administrator Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5
We currently don't backup the Deleted Items folder at all and we have a 7 day deleted items retention after emptying the trash. We're a law firm and it's so political on what software we use and how we use it. They're used to us being able to restore a single mailbox. I suggested a recovery / test server but we'd have to restore the entire database each time we needed just one mailbox and that takes a while and time is money here. Karon 1) Stop doing BLB. You know yourself that they don't work. Just use an Exchange aware backup program (I use BackupExce) and backup the whole thing at one time. You will continue to have nothing but problems no matter what software you use to do it. 2) Setup Deleted Item Retention. Choose how long you want to save deleted emails and make that the policy on recovering them. We do 30 days. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 My company prefers to backup individual mailboxes (brick level backups) and we're using the latest version of Backup Exec. It seems to put a load on the server though and occassionally gives us problems. We aren't even able to get a full backup every night of the whole server but just the .EDB files due to the mailboxes being so large. You see, we don't enforce limits on mailboxes however, I've tried to convince management otherwise. What's the best practice for backing up an Exchange 5.5 system? What's the best backup software? Also we have to occassionally restore mailboxes on the server and will get Access denied to directory errors and a reboot is the only way to fix that. I'm told this is due to no physical memory available because the store eats it all up but from the research I've done, this isn't what that error is from. Any help, advice, or suggestions would be great. Karon Miller Systems Administrator Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5
Why are mailboxes being deleted erroneously? You need to address the root cause. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 We currently don't backup the Deleted Items folder at all and we have a 7 day deleted items retention after emptying the trash. We're a law firm and it's so political on what software we use and how we use it. They're used to us being able to restore a single mailbox. I suggested a recovery / test server but we'd have to restore the entire database each time we needed just one mailbox and that takes a while and time is money here. Karon 1) Stop doing BLB. You know yourself that they don't work. Just use an Exchange aware backup program (I use BackupExce) and backup the whole thing at one time. You will continue to have nothing but problems no matter what software you use to do it. 2) Setup Deleted Item Retention. Choose how long you want to save deleted emails and make that the policy on recovering them. We do 30 days. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 My company prefers to backup individual mailboxes (brick level backups) and we're using the latest version of Backup Exec. It seems to put a load on the server though and occassionally gives us problems. We aren't even able to get a full backup every night of the whole server but just the .EDB files due to the mailboxes being so large. You see, we don't enforce limits on mailboxes however, I've tried to convince management otherwise. What's the best practice for backing up an Exchange 5.5 system? What's the best backup software? Also we have to occassionally restore mailboxes on the server and will get Access denied to directory errors and a reboot is the only way to fix that. I'm told this is due to no physical memory available because the store eats it all up but from the research I've done, this isn't what that error is from. Any help, advice, or suggestions would be great. Karon Miller Systems Administrator Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5
and BLBS waste time and money. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 We currently don't backup the Deleted Items folder at all and we have a 7 day deleted items retention after emptying the trash. We're a law firm and it's so political on what software we use and how we use it. They're used to us being able to restore a single mailbox. I suggested a recovery / test server but we'd have to restore the entire database each time we needed just one mailbox and that takes a while and time is money here. Karon 1) Stop doing BLB. You know yourself that they don't work. Just use an Exchange aware backup program (I use BackupExce) and backup the whole thing at one time. You will continue to have nothing but problems no matter what software you use to do it. 2) Setup Deleted Item Retention. Choose how long you want to save deleted emails and make that the policy on recovering them. We do 30 days. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 My company prefers to backup individual mailboxes (brick level backups) and we're using the latest version of Backup Exec. It seems to put a load on the server though and occassionally gives us problems. We aren't even able to get a full backup every night of the whole server but just the .EDB files due to the mailboxes being so large. You see, we don't enforce limits on mailboxes however, I've tried to convince management otherwise. What's the best practice for backing up an Exchange 5.5 system? What's the best backup software? Also we have to occassionally restore mailboxes on the server and will get Access denied to directory errors and a reboot is the only way to fix that. I'm told this is due to no physical memory available because the store eats it all up but from the research I've done, this isn't what that error is from. Any help, advice, or suggestions would be great. Karon Miller Systems Administrator Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you. == _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5
I think it might be a little more complicated than that for a law firm. Imagine having to restore a mailbox for an employee who worked there 5 years ago because you are being subpoenaed for correspondence with a client in a case related to the firing of a 49 year old woman in 1996. It's very much related to Ed's POV on 30, 60, 90 day tape backup rotation policies... odds are something that simple can be detrimental (or even illegal). -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 Why are mailboxes being deleted erroneously? You need to address the root cause. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 We currently don't backup the Deleted Items folder at all and we have a 7 day deleted items retention after emptying the trash. We're a law firm and it's so political on what software we use and how we use it. They're used to us being able to restore a single mailbox. I suggested a recovery / test server but we'd have to restore the entire database each time we needed just one mailbox and that takes a while and time is money here. Karon 1) Stop doing BLB. You know yourself that they don't work. Just use an Exchange aware backup program (I use BackupExce) and backup the whole thing at one time. You will continue to have nothing but problems no matter what software you use to do it. 2) Setup Deleted Item Retention. Choose how long you want to save deleted emails and make that the policy on recovering them. We do 30 days. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 My company prefers to backup individual mailboxes (brick level backups) and we're using the latest version of Backup Exec. It seems to put a load on the server though and occassionally gives us problems. We aren't even able to get a full backup every night of the whole server but just the .EDB files due to the mailboxes being so large. You see, we don't enforce limits on mailboxes however, I've tried to convince management otherwise. What's the best practice for backing up an Exchange 5.5 system? What's the best backup software? Also we have to occassionally restore mailboxes on the server and will get Access denied to directory errors and a reboot is the only way to fix that. I'm told this is due to no physical memory available because the store eats it all up but from the research I've done, this isn't what that error is from. Any help, advice, or suggestions would be great. Karon Miller Systems Administrator Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5
I don't have any tapes older than 6 weeks. That's good, right? Nips that request right in the bud anyway! I had a request yesterday for a file restore from 2000. We laughed and laughed! -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 I think it might be a little more complicated than that for a law firm. Imagine having to restore a mailbox for an employee who worked there 5 years ago because you are being subpoenaed for correspondence with a client in a case related to the firing of a 49 year old woman in 1996. It's very much related to Ed's POV on 30, 60, 90 day tape backup rotation policies... odds are something that simple can be detrimental (or even illegal). -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 Why are mailboxes being deleted erroneously? You need to address the root cause. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 We currently don't backup the Deleted Items folder at all and we have a 7 day deleted items retention after emptying the trash. We're a law firm and it's so political on what software we use and how we use it. They're used to us being able to restore a single mailbox. I suggested a recovery / test server but we'd have to restore the entire database each time we needed just one mailbox and that takes a while and time is money here. Karon 1) Stop doing BLB. You know yourself that they don't work. Just use an Exchange aware backup program (I use BackupExce) and backup the whole thing at one time. You will continue to have nothing but problems no matter what software you use to do it. 2) Setup Deleted Item Retention. Choose how long you want to save deleted emails and make that the policy on recovering them. We do 30 days. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 My company prefers to backup individual mailboxes (brick level backups) and we're using the latest version of Backup Exec. It seems to put a load on the server though and occassionally gives us problems. We aren't even able to get a full backup every night of the whole server but just the .EDB files due to the mailboxes being so large. You see, we don't enforce limits on mailboxes however, I've tried to convince management otherwise. What's the best practice for backing up an Exchange 5.5 system? What's the best backup software? Also we have to occassionally restore mailboxes on the server and will get Access denied to directory errors and a reboot is the only way to fix that. I'm told this is due to no physical memory available because the store eats it all up but from the research I've done, this isn't what that error is from. Any help, advice, or suggestions would be great. Karon Miller Systems Administrator Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5
my 2 cent's 1.) Id do the FAQ (Dump the BLB...etc...) 2.) I would increase the retention period. 3.) Get yourself a DR machine practice and have it just in case 4.) If you have to say delete a mailbox cause say the user is Gone...Ask old users manager what to do with info...after they ignore you (and Attorney's will) Id use exmerge to backup the user mailbox to a PST. Then deleted MB it...you'll have the PST just in case 5.) If I was so in client as to having to have individual mailboxes...and felt like punishing myself I might try to write a script that would use Exmerge and it's capabilities to maybe backup of each MB to a PST file and put it on a different machine. Note: Since with attorney's time is money and in my part of the US (east coast...tristate NY/CT/NJ area these jokers get like 300~600/hr) next time they say it is too much money to buy what you need...say a cheap 1500.00 machine for a quick DR ask them what it just cost them to not have their info when they needed it...its pays for itself pretty quickly...especially since these guy's bill on the 7/10 of an hour. H..I miss the cheapness of attorney's at times.and their higher education bill -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:23 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 and BLBS waste time and money. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 We currently don't backup the Deleted Items folder at all and we have a 7 day deleted items retention after emptying the trash. We're a law firm and it's so political on what software we use and how we use it. They're used to us being able to restore a single mailbox. I suggested a recovery / test server but we'd have to restore the entire database each time we needed just one mailbox and that takes a while and time is money here. Karon 1) Stop doing BLB. You know yourself that they don't work. Just use an Exchange aware backup program (I use BackupExce) and backup the whole thing at one time. You will continue to have nothing but problems no matter what software you use to do it. 2) Setup Deleted Item Retention. Choose how long you want to save deleted emails and make that the policy on recovering them. We do 30 days. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 My company prefers to backup individual mailboxes (brick level backups) and we're using the latest version of Backup Exec. It seems to put a load on the server though and occassionally gives us problems. We aren't even able to get a full backup every night of the whole server but just the .EDB files due to the mailboxes being so large. You see, we don't enforce limits on mailboxes however, I've tried to convince management otherwise. What's the best practice for backing up an Exchange 5.5 system? What's the best backup software? Also we have to occassionally restore mailboxes on the server and will get Access denied to directory errors and a reboot is the only way to fix that. I'm told this is due to no physical memory available because the store eats it all up but from the research I've done, this isn't what that error is from. Any help, advice, or suggestions would be great. Karon Miller Systems Administrator Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you
RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5
We don't erroneously delete mailboxes. User's leave and then a few months later an Attorney will need something out of that mailbox for a case and we'll have to restore it. Or, we have to restore folders or pieces of mail that a user deleted accidently. It's actually quite nice to be able to do this when it works. Karon _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5
Have you considered exporting the ex-user's mailbox to PST[1], which can be stored in an appropriate manner for your organisation[2]. When someone needs that information, it's simple enough to mount the PST Deleted item retention should deal with those accidental deletions. [1] One non-BAD use [2] Archive to tape, burn to CD, etc Les Bessant MCSE mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] IT Manager, Sanderson Townend Gilbert Acting in a personal capacity http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - Tiggers don't do BLBs -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 July 2002 16:45 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 We don't erroneously delete mailboxes. User's leave and then a few months later an Attorney will need something out of that mailbox for a case and we'll have to restore it. Or, we have to restore folders or pieces of mail that a user deleted accidently. It's actually quite nice to be able to do this when it works. Karon _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The information in this communication and any attachments is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient any use, review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error please notify us immediately on 0191 261 2681 and delete the original message and any copies of it. Any opinions, conclusions or other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Sanderson Townend Gilbert are neither given nor endorsed by the firm. This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5
Depends. If you had a legal requirement to retain the document and you didn't you (the company) are now fscked. -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't have any tapes older than 6 weeks. That's good, right? Nips that request right in the bud anyway! I had a request yesterday for a file restore from 2000. We laughed and laughed! -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 I think it might be a little more complicated than that for a law firm. Imagine having to restore a mailbox for an employee who worked there 5 years ago because you are being subpoenaed for correspondence with a client in a case related to the firing of a 49 year old woman in 1996. It's very much related to Ed's POV on 30, 60, 90 day tape backup rotation policies... odds are something that simple can be detrimental (or even illegal). -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 Why are mailboxes being deleted erroneously? You need to address the root cause. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 We currently don't backup the Deleted Items folder at all and we have a 7 day deleted items retention after emptying the trash. We're a law firm and it's so political on what software we use and how we use it. They're used to us being able to restore a single mailbox. I suggested a recovery / test server but we'd have to restore the entire database each time we needed just one mailbox and that takes a while and time is money here. Karon 1) Stop doing BLB. You know yourself that they don't work. Just use an Exchange aware backup program (I use BackupExce) and backup the whole thing at one time. You will continue to have nothing but problems no matter what software you use to do it. 2) Setup Deleted Item Retention. Choose how long you want to save deleted emails and make that the policy on recovering them. We do 30 days. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 My company prefers to backup individual mailboxes (brick level backups) and we're using the latest version of Backup Exec. It seems to put a load on the server though and occassionally gives us problems. We aren't even able to get a full backup every night of the whole server but just the .EDB files due to the mailboxes being so large. You see, we don't enforce limits on mailboxes however, I've tried to convince management otherwise. What's the best practice for backing up an Exchange 5.5 system? What's the best backup software? Also we have to occassionally restore mailboxes on the server and will get Access denied to directory errors and a reboot is the only way to fix that. I'm told this is due to no physical memory available because the store eats it all up but from the research I've done, this isn't what that error is from. Any help, advice, or suggestions would be great. Karon Miller Systems Administrator Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin
RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5
Actully just before you asked this question I remembered that we do have procedures that we go through when a user leaves which includes exporting their mailbox to a PST file. I unfortunately don't handle our backups and restores and moves, adds, and changes it's our Admin people. I do have alittle control of it though. This last mailbox that we had to restore gave all kinds of errors and we had to reboot the server I don't think we had a PST file though. It's good practice to be able to restore a mailbox though since that's what we're using Backup Exec for. Karon Have you considered exporting the ex-user's mailbox to PST[1], which can be stored in an appropriate manner for your organisation[2]. When someone needs that information, it's simple enough to mount the PST Deleted item retention should deal with those accidental deletions. [1] One non-BAD use [2] Archive to tape, burn to CD, etc Les Bessant MCSE mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] IT Manager, Sanderson Townend Gilbert Acting in a personal capacity http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - Tiggers don't do BLBs -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 July 2002 16:45 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 We don't erroneously delete mailboxes. User's leave and then a few months later an Attorney will need something out of that mailbox for a case and we'll have to restore it. Or, we have to restore folders or pieces of mail that a user deleted accidently. It's actually quite nice to be able to do this when it works. Karon _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The information in this communication and any attachments is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient any use, review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error please notify us immediately on 0191 261 2681 and delete the original message and any copies of it. Any opinions, conclusions or other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Sanderson Townend Gilbert are neither given nor endorsed by the firm. This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5
We have no document retention policies whatsoever. Remember, here we have the policy that all PSTs must be on network shares. ;p -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 Depends. If you had a legal requirement to retain the document and you didn't you (the company) are now fscked. -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:41 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 I don't have any tapes older than 6 weeks. That's good, right? Nips that request right in the bud anyway! I had a request yesterday for a file restore from 2000. We laughed and laughed! -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 I think it might be a little more complicated than that for a law firm. Imagine having to restore a mailbox for an employee who worked there 5 years ago because you are being subpoenaed for correspondence with a client in a case related to the firing of a 49 year old woman in 1996. It's very much related to Ed's POV on 30, 60, 90 day tape backup rotation policies... odds are something that simple can be detrimental (or even illegal). -Original Message- From: Hunter, Lori [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 Why are mailboxes being deleted erroneously? You need to address the root cause. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 We currently don't backup the Deleted Items folder at all and we have a 7 day deleted items retention after emptying the trash. We're a law firm and it's so political on what software we use and how we use it. They're used to us being able to restore a single mailbox. I suggested a recovery / test server but we'd have to restore the entire database each time we needed just one mailbox and that takes a while and time is money here. Karon 1) Stop doing BLB. You know yourself that they don't work. Just use an Exchange aware backup program (I use BackupExce) and backup the whole thing at one time. You will continue to have nothing but problems no matter what software you use to do it. 2) Setup Deleted Item Retention. Choose how long you want to save deleted emails and make that the policy on recovering them. We do 30 days. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 My company prefers to backup individual mailboxes (brick level backups) and we're using the latest version of Backup Exec. It seems to put a load on the server though and occassionally gives us problems. We aren't even able to get a full backup every night of the whole server but just the .EDB files due to the mailboxes being so large. You see, we don't enforce limits on mailboxes however, I've tried to convince management otherwise. What's the best practice for backing up an Exchange 5.5 system? What's the best backup software? Also we have to occassionally restore mailboxes on the server and will get Access denied to directory errors and a reboot is the only way to fix that. I'm told this is due to no physical memory available because the store eats it all up but from the research I've done, this isn't what that error is from. Any help, advice, or suggestions would be great. Karon Miller Systems Administrator Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL
RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5
Don't friggin' delete the departing users' mailboxes! See: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_appxb.htm I wrote it for Exchange 5.5, but the concepts apply to Exchange 2000 as well except that Exchange 2000 obviates the mailbox deletion part. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I Tech Consultant hp Services Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Karon Miller Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 8:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 We don't erroneously delete mailboxes. User's leave and then a few months later an Attorney will need something out of that mailbox for a case and we'll have to restore it. Or, we have to restore folders or pieces of mail that a user deleted accidently. It's actually quite nice to be able to do this when it works. Karon _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5
It's good practice to be able to restore a mailbox though ... No, it's not. Brick-level backup and restore just doesn't work well in practice, no matter what software you use. You've seen that yourself. If you can't deal with archiving departed user's stuff to PST files on CD via exmerge (what we do), simply hide the mailboxes forever (a modification of the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method). The data will always be live in the exchange databases, should you need to get at it. You might end up spending more money on tape backup hardware and disks in the long run, but you'll have instant restore, and having that data there will not hurt performance for production users. -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:02 AM Posted To: Exchange List Conversation: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 Actully just before you asked this question I remembered that we do have procedures that we go through when a user leaves which includes exporting their mailbox to a PST file. I unfortunately don't handle our backups and restores and moves, adds, and changes it's our Admin people. I do have alittle control of it though. This last mailbox that we had to restore gave all kinds of errors and we had to reboot the server I don't think we had a PST file though. Karon Have you considered exporting the ex-user's mailbox to PST[1], which can be stored in an appropriate manner for your organisation[2]. When someone needs that information, it's simple enough to mount the PST Deleted item retention should deal with those accidental deletions. [1] One non-BAD use [2] Archive to tape, burn to CD, etc Les Bessant MCSE mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] IT Manager, Sanderson Townend Gilbert Acting in a personal capacity http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - Tiggers don't do BLBs -Original Message- From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 July 2002 16:45 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best practices for backing up Exchange 5.5 We don't erroneously delete mailboxes. User's leave and then a few months later an Attorney will need something out of that mailbox for a case and we'll have to restore it. Or, we have to restore folders or pieces of mail that a user deleted accidently. It's actually quite nice to be able to do this when it works. Karon _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The information in this communication and any attachments is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient any use, review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error please notify us immediately on 0191 261 2681 and delete the original message and any copies of it. Any opinions, conclusions or other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Sanderson Townend Gilbert are neither given nor endorsed by the firm. This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
