date:20051111

The only real way to evaluate this
teaching/technique/guru/whatever would be to devote
yourself to it for at least several years and see what
happens. 

--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Nov 11, 2005, at 12:06 AM, akasha_108 wrote:
 
  This post (may) put the recent steve klayman post
 in perspective.
  It would be interesting to hear his reaction to
 this new 'scam post.
 
 
 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/78765
 
 What was the tip off to me was their constant use of
 the word  
 deeksha, like it was some sort of product *you
 just had to have*.  
 All this ranting about deeksha. All it means is
 initiationbut  
 it as if this initiation will do it all for you.
 Very passive. Give $$ 
 $, receive enlightenment. Don't worry, we'll tell
 you when can stop  
 coming.
 
 People will fall for anything.
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?

2005-11-11 Thread markmeredith2002

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just a quick adder on the quality of protein in veg diets. Some people
 think you can't get enough quality protein from veg sources. Its just
 not true.
snip
 
There's the question of the body's ability to assimilate the nutrients
in foods.  I tried for a long time to go veg. and be careful about
getting enough protein but felt low energy the whole time.  Maybe it
was lack of iron or B-vits, not protein.  Anyway, my body felt totally
different after eating meat compared to a high-protein veg meal.  I'm
not discouraging people from veg. diets, just to say always go by how
your body/mind is feeling, not just the theory.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Would you have allowed Bill Gates to be born?

2005-11-11 Thread uns_tressor

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 11/10/05 8:30 PM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote: 
  Would you have allowed Bill Gates to be born?
  Advances in prenatal genetic testing pose tough questions 
  http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7899821/  
  Who needs Bill Gates? No, I don't mean who needs a gazillionaire
  corporate titan, a man whose company, Microsoft, took in 
billions of
  dollars last year by controlling nearly all the software used to 
run
  nearly every computer on the planet.
  
  No, I mean, literally, who needs him?  If you could go back in 
time
  and stop the birth of the world's most famous nerd, would you?
  
  You probably answered my question with a no. Whatever Gates' 
sins
  may be, he is the father of a computer revolution...
  
  He might have earned that moniker if it hadn't
  been for Charles Babbage 150 years ago, or
  Alan Turing or Clive Sinclair who created the concept
  of home computer. History will see Gates as someone
  who used the chance for bare faced profit, making
  £75,000,000,000 selling faulty goods. No car manufacturer
  could get away with it. And we put up with it.
 
 He's leaving comparatively little to his children. Donating 
 billions to AIDS research and other worthy causes...

...which tend to be glamorous causes rather than assisting
those who spend hours stripping and re-rigging his products
because they are faulty.
Uns.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-11 Thread L B Shriver

Response below.

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
 snip
  Personality issues should not enter into it and MIU should 
  have honored a request from an adjacent and major 
  university.
 
 It would have been a little like handing him a gun
 so he could shoot them.



Judy, this strikes me as a really odd thing to say.
   
   Well, actually I think you have a really odd way
   of interpreting it.  Self-serving, even.
  
  
  
  Self-serving? This strikes me as ad hominem, the type of argument
  you so famously abhor.
 
 It's only ad hominem argumentation if it's a
 *substitute* for reasoned argument.  And I wasn't
 using it as part of my argument in any case; it was
 just an observation (which I stand by).
 
  What I am trying to point out here is that for some reason you 
  appear to be arguing in favor of with-holding information, which 
  immediately invalidates any scientific research, 
  which by nature is only accepted if it is open to public scrutiny.
 
 Not arguing in favor of it, of course (speaking of
 straw men).  Just pointing out that in this case
 the fact that they did withhold information does not
 necessarily mean they had something to hide; there
 were other considerations as well.
 
  
   
Only a loaded gun can shoot someone, and only one kind of
ammunition could have hurt MIU: evidence that their conclusions 
were not vald.
   
   Or *apparent* evidence.  It's really pretty
   amusing that you're so sure the TM researchers
   massaged the data to show results that didn't
   exist, yet you can't conceive of a hostile
   researcher massaging data that shows real
   results so it ends up looking as if there are
   none.
  
  
  
  Now you are resorting to the straw man, and Big Time, if I may say
  so.
 
 Well, no, I'm not at all resorting to the straw man,
 sorry.  You need to refresh your understanding of
 rhetorical fallacies and perhaps take a look at your
 own words again.
 
  Regarding my certainty that massaging took place:
 
 I wasn't questioning that.
 
 snip long justification for certainty
 
  Now, as for your remark that I can't conceive of a hostile  
  researcher massaging data that shows real results so it ends up 
  looking as if there are none: 
  
  I have made no statements anywhere near that ball park.
 
 Oh, sure you did:  Only one kind of ammunition
 could have hurt MIU: evidence that their conclusions 
 were not vald.
 
  To this point, I have not even mentioned Markovsky. So while we're 
  on the subject, let me remove all doubt about it. 
  Markovsky does seem biased in some respects, and may even exhibiit 
  some form of David/Goliath complex, but that doesn't mean that none 
  of his criticisms are valid. They must be examined on the basis of 
  their merit, and that cannot be done unless all the evidence is 
  available.
 
 Actually the criticisms he has made, since he made them
 on the basis of what was published and not on the
 unpublished data, can be evaluated on the basis of their
 merit by examining the published study, i.e., what he
 was working with.
 
 I agree, some of his criticisms do appear to be quite
 valid (although, of course, we haven't heard a
 rebuttal from the researchers; I seem to remember
 something about the journal refusing to publish one,
 but I'm not positive about that).
 
  
  
   I don't know whether the TM researchers fudged
   the data when they massaged it.  I do know that
   they had very good reason not to give the data to
   Markovsky even if the massaging was legitimate and
   the results were genuine and everything was pure
   as the driven snow, because he had the motivation
   and the knowhow to make it *look* like garbage.
  
  
  
  It is not uncommon in the public discourse of science for
  competitors to try to descredit each other. The whole concept of 
  science as a public discipline is that the process will 
  ultimately support truth. But not if the data are  hidden.
 
 Well, but if this isn't the case, if the discrediting
 actually *suppressed* truth sometimes, we'd never know
 it, would we?  All we see are the instances in which 
 truth did win out.  So I don't think you can say this
 with such certainty.
 
  
   
That is, if they had nothing to fear, 
why not hand over the empty gun?
   
   Because Markovsky had his own bullets and powder,
   of course.
  
  
  
  As I said before, the only information that can hurt a researcher 
  is false information.
 
 I think you mean here what you said before about
 evidence that the researchers' conclusions were
 not valid (otherwise, I'd point out that false or
 at least distorted information is exactly what
 they expected from Markovsky).
 
  If MIU's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:

 
 Can you chant all 1008 names from memory


*lol* I haven't even finished chanting them all *from the 
 book* 
  yet! 
Nor is memorizing them partiularly high on my to-do list. 
I 
  chant 
about 20-30 a night before going to sleep. snip
   
   OK, the math is off here somewhere -- I am up around the 933d 
  name, so 
   either I chant more than 30/night or I have been practicing 
for 
  more 
   than a week. Some of both I suspect :-)
  
  I am interested- as long as I don't get all spaced out when I do 
 it, 
  I'll give it a shot. What is the title of the book please? There 
 is 
  a good bookstore nearby where I will look for it. Thank you.
 
 Sri Lalithambika Sahasranama Stotram -- best to get one with 
 transliterations (for easy pronunication) and engish 
translations :-)
 

OK Thanks- Quite a title!
Speaking of dreamspaces, I went to a great place last night- exactly 
like an earth city, only very light and absolutely clean and fresh 
and sparkling. But had all the other stuff, like skyscrapers and 
shops, and buses, highways and gas stations and [friendly] cops. 
More colorful too. Very nice place! Really enjoyed it. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?

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  I know this is going to sound rediculously simple, but your body 
  does in fact know what it wants to eat, so truly eat whatever you 
  want- sometimes steak, sometimes candy, sometimes veggies, etc, 
etc.
 
 doubled over laughing
 
 If only!
 
The times I have gotten into trouble with my diet is if I am feeding 
something other than my body, like trying to soothe my heart or mind. 
Like when I was looking for work after the dot com bomb and couldn't 
find any and unemployment around here was 30%, I ate a lot of junk 
food just out of desperation. 

But that is the exception, and now I just feed my body. Made an 
absolutely wonderful cheeseburger over the weekend with garlic and sea 
salt in the meat, and topped with irish cheddar and red onion. Yum!!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Just a quick adder on the quality of protein in veg diets. Some people
  think you can't get enough quality protein from veg sources. Its just
  not true.
 snip
  
 There's the question of the body's ability to assimilate the
nutrients in foods.  

Agreed. Though a veg diet seems much more digestible to me. Tofu --
its gotta be more easily broken down than chicken, and certainly beef. 
 

 I tried for a long time to go veg. and be careful about getting
enough protein but felt low energy the whole time.  Maybe it was lack
of iron or B-vits, not protein.  Proper cooking (and or chopping), and
chewing is important. I often use a food processor to finely chop
veggies  -- for salads, or light low heat cooking -- to improve
absorbsion.  

Yes, one needs to supplement a veg diet with plenty of with b12. And
iron -- which can be obtained by good vegetables --- kale and chard in
particular. Its a myth that one needs beef for sufficient iron.


 Anyway, my body felt totally  different after eating meat compared
to a high-protein veg meal.  


Some times its the high carbs in a high protein veg meal. One can get
adequate protein from rice and beans -- but the carb load is so high,
it can have bad effects on the body, particularly energy levels -- and
on how one feels.
 
 I'm not discouraging people from veg. diets, just to say always go
by how your body/mind is feeling, not just the theory.

Yes, ultimately diet needs to make you feel good. But good research is
good too, so one is clear on what the body needs, and what foods
provide it. There are a lot of misinformation and mythhs out there
that a bit of research can dispell.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ali Stings Bush'

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 The Champ, Mohammad Ali, stung Mr. Bush, Wednesday, at the WH;
  
 Giving the hand sign of This Man's Crazy.
  
 As Mr.Bush went on a prime time schmoozing campaign.
  
 Aretha Franklin, also, had little regard in body language toward, 
Mr.Bush.
  
 Our President has taken on quite a pathetic look; 
  
 Different then just a few years ago...
  
 Robert Gimbel  Madison,WI.
 
He has said before that God tells him what to do. I suspect God is 
now telling him to get the hell outta there. Very refreshing, and as 
unexpected as the toppling of the Berlin wall.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Would you have allowed Bill Gates to be born?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  on 11/10/05 8:30 PM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote: 
   Would you have allowed Bill Gates to be born?
   Advances in prenatal genetic testing pose tough questions 
   http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7899821/  
   Who needs Bill Gates? No, I don't mean who needs a gazillionaire
   corporate titan, a man whose company, Microsoft, took in 
 billions of
   dollars last year by controlling nearly all the software used to 
 run
   nearly every computer on the planet.
   
   No, I mean, literally, who needs him?  If you could go back in 
 time
   and stop the birth of the world's most famous nerd, would you?
   
   You probably answered my question with a no. Whatever Gates' 
 sins
   may be, he is the father of a computer revolution...
   
   He might have earned that moniker if it hadn't
   been for Charles Babbage 150 years ago, or
   Alan Turing or Clive Sinclair who created the concept
   of home computer. History will see Gates as someone
   who used the chance for bare faced profit, making
   £75,000,000,000 selling faulty goods. No car manufacturer
   could get away with it. And we put up with it.
  
  He's leaving comparatively little to his children. Donating 
  billions to AIDS research and other worthy causes...
 
 ...which tend to be glamorous causes rather than assisting
 those who spend hours stripping and re-rigging his products
 because they are faulty.
 Uns.


I am pretty happy with XP Pro. Maybe your needs are much more demanding. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Just a quick adder on the quality of protein in veg diets. Some
people think you can't get enough quality protein from veg sources.
Its just not true.

 snip

 There's the question of the body's ability to assimilate the
nutrients in foods.

Agreed. Though a veg diet seems much more digestible to me. Tofu --
its gotta be more easily broken down than chicken, and certainly beef.


 I tried for a long time to go veg. and be careful about getting
enough protein but felt low energy the whole time. 

Maybe it was lack of iron or B-vits, not protein. Proper cooking (and
or chopping), and chewing is important. I often use a food processor
to finely chop veggies -- for salads, or light low heat cooking -- to
improve absorbsion.

And yes, one needs to supplement a veg diet with plenty of with b12.
And iron -- which can be obtained by good vegetables --- kale and
chard in particular. Its a myth that one needs beef for sufficient iron.


 Anyway, my body felt totally different after eating meat compared
to a high-protein veg meal.


Some times its the high carbs in a high protein veg meal. One can get
adequate protein from rice and beans -- but the carb load is so high,
it can have bad effects on the body, particularly energy levels -- and
on how one feels.


 I'm not discouraging people from veg. diets, just to say always go
by how your body/mind is feeling, not just the theory.

Yes, ultimately diet needs to make you feel good. But good research is
good too, so one is clear on what the body needs, and what foods
provide it. There are a lot of misinformation and mythhs out there
that a bit of research can dispel.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver 
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snip
 Science succeeds or fails as a public enterprise. Its conventions
 are agreed to by all. Like the justice system, it is as flawed as 
 the people who practice it; science sometimes fails in the same way 
 that justice sometimes fails. However, its only chance for success 
 is that people continue to participate in good faith.
 
 The movement and Markovsky have fallen into an adverasarial 
 relationship. However, I do not see how this invalidates my central 
 argument.

It doesn't, of course, nor did I suggest it did.  I
*agree* with your central argument.  I simply note
that there may be cases in which good faith can be a
pitfall rather than a benefit (as you seem to concede
when you say the enterprise sometimes fails) when
hostile researchers who are not acting in good faith
are involved.

My *only* point has been that the fact that the TM
researchers refused to give their data to Markovsky
does not automatically mean they had something to
hide, contrary to what you had suggested.  They had
good reason to fear that if they gave Markovsky the
full details of their research, he would do them and
the cause of TM, as well as the perceived promise of
the Maharishi Effect, serious damage by essentially
misrepresenting their work.

They may *also* have had something to hide; I have no
way of knowing that.  However, they had been cooperating
with him before they realized he had been out to do them
damage from the start.

And they handed Markovsky, if not a gun, at least a
cream pie to throw at them by withholding the data,
exactly because of the way it would be interpreted.
It could not have been a pleasant choice.

 The data themselves are the sine qua non of the public aspect of
 science. People canand doargue about how the data are processed, 
 manipulated, etc, but that argument is part of the  public process 
 of science. The underlying facts, the data themselves have to be 
 open to verification.

Yes.  And as I said, if a fair-minded researcher had
asked to see the data and the TM researchers had
refused, it would be unequivocally damning.
 
 In my experience and observation, the movement does not really care
 about science. There are of course, some scientists in the movement 
 who do, and who struggle to maintain their professional integrity, 
 but the integrity of science itself is not considered important 
 in comparison with the agenda of furthering the movement's aims.

Unfortunately true, because the good is dismissed along
with the bad.

 This is widely 
 perceived within and without the movement, and is just one reason 
why this discussion is 
 moot.
 
 While I do understand the position you have taken, and the 
 arguments in support of it, nevertheless it reminds me slightly 
 about the controversy over torturing prisoners. The president 
 says We don't torture while his administration battles against 
 legislation which would make torture illegal. The movement says it 
 has scientific proof for the benefit of its programs, but doesn't 
 want its proof examined too closely.

Well, in one case, at any rate.  More broadly, there
hasn't been enough interest on the part of science to
give TM researchers the opportunity to *show* whether
they were willing to have their evidence closely
examined.

 As I said before, the demonstration demonstrated nothing, except
 for its participants. I was a participant myself, and considered 
 the event one of the great experiences of my life, but I am 
 comfortable accepting the fact that its impact on the scientific 
 community and the public at large was next to nil.

*If* there really is a Maharishi Effect, it's hard to
see how it could be considered anything less than a tragedy
that the project and the study had no impact.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Even if the seeker is looking for the meaning of life a good guru 
guides 
 not controls.  He shows the way instead of forcing it.  The 
student has 
 to see from the teaching and of course the student can fail too.

OK. I am a firm believer though others may disagree that we get 
whatever we need, and if we want a good teacher and are persistent 
we will find one. And if we really want enlightenment, we get it.

The confusion for the West comes in because our technology teaches 
us that results can be instantaneous, with minimal effort and focus 
on our part (e.g. the difference between taking an ox cart vs a jet 
plane from NYC to Chicago).

So when we begin seeking for enlightenment, nearly anyone saying the 
right stuff will convince us, for a little while anyway, that they 
have the answer.

The trick is to avoid getting discouraged and declaring the whole 
concept is crap, or settling for much less and moodmaking, and 
instead, being absolutely persistent in reaching the goal of 
liberation, which whether one is in heaven or hell, can be achieved. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
   Just a quick adder on the quality of protein in veg diets. Some
 people think you can't get enough quality protein from veg sources.
 Its just not true.
 
  snip
 
  There's the question of the body's ability to assimilate the
 nutrients in foods.
 
 Agreed. Though a veg diet seems much more digestible to me. Tofu --
 its gotta be more easily broken down than chicken, and certainly 
beef.
 
 
  I tried for a long time to go veg. and be careful about getting
 enough protein but felt low energy the whole time. 
 
 Maybe it was lack of iron or B-vits, not protein. Proper cooking 
(and
 or chopping), and chewing is important. I often use a food 
processor
 to finely chop veggies -- for salads, or light low heat cooking -- 
to
 improve absorbsion.
 
 And yes, one needs to supplement a veg diet with plenty of with 
b12.
 And iron -- which can be obtained by good vegetables --- kale and
 chard in particular. Its a myth that one needs beef for sufficient 
iron.
 
 
  Anyway, my body felt totally different after eating meat compared
 to a high-protein veg meal.
 
 
 Some times its the high carbs in a high protein veg meal. One can 
get
 adequate protein from rice and beans -- but the carb load is so 
high,
 it can have bad effects on the body, particularly energy levels -- 
and
 on how one feels.
 
 
  I'm not discouraging people from veg. diets, just to say always 
go
 by how your body/mind is feeling, not just the theory.
 
 Yes, ultimately diet needs to make you feel good. But good 
research is
 good too, so one is clear on what the body needs, and what foods
 provide it. There are a lot of misinformation and mythhs out there
 that a bit of research can dispel.

Although my approach (what approach?) is different, I studied 
nutrition a lot for awhile and imo your advice here is right on. 
Solid info. Thanks.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ali Stings Bush'

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  The Champ, Mohammad Ali, stung Mr. Bush, Wednesday, at the WH;
   
  Giving the hand sign of This Man's Crazy.
   
  As Mr.Bush went on a prime time schmoozing campaign.
   
  Aretha Franklin, also, had little regard in body language toward, 
 Mr.Bush.
   
  Our President has taken on quite a pathetic look; 
   
  Different then just a few years ago...
   
  Robert Gimbel  Madison,WI.
  
 He has said before that God tells him what to do. I suspect God is 
 now telling him to get the hell outta there. Very refreshing, and 
as 
 unexpected as the toppling of the Berlin wall.

Looks to me like God was sending him a message
through Muhammad Ali.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: From an ex-member of the Kalki cult

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Nov 11, 2005, at 12:06 AM, akasha_108 wrote:
 
  This post (may) put the recent steve klayman post in perspective.
  It would be interesting to hear his reaction to this new 'scam 
post.
 
 
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/78765
 
 What was the tip off to me was their constant use of the word  
 deeksha, like it was some sort of product *you just had to 
have*.  
 All this ranting about deeksha. All it means 
is initiationbut  
 it as if this initiation will do it all for you. Very passive. 
Give $$ 
 $, receive enlightenment. Don't worry, we'll tell you when can 
stop  
 coming.
 
 People will fall for anything.

Yep. Reminds me of something I heard once about instant 
enlightenment being just that- it lasts for an instant!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ali Stings Bush'

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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
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   The Champ, Mohammad Ali, stung Mr. Bush, Wednesday, at the 
WH;

   Giving the hand sign of This Man's Crazy.

   As Mr.Bush went on a prime time schmoozing campaign.

   Aretha Franklin, also, had little regard in body language 
toward, 
  Mr.Bush.

   Our President has taken on quite a pathetic look; 

   Different then just a few years ago...

   Robert Gimbel  Madison,WI.
   
  He has said before that God tells him what to do. I suspect God 
is 
  now telling him to get the hell outta there. Very refreshing, 
and 
 as 
  unexpected as the toppling of the Berlin wall.
 
 Looks to me like God was sending him a message
 through Muhammad Ali.

Yes, many many messengers of God speaking that message to the Bush 
these days...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?

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snip
 Proper cooking (and or chopping), and chewing is important.

*Especially* chewing.  I was very impressed with the
Ayur-Vedic principle that thoroughly chewing food is
important because the tastebuds can then give the
digestive system advance notice as to what kind of
food to expect, giving it time to get ready to receive
it properly.  If you bolt your food, the digestive
system doesn't have a chance to prepare the most
effective secretions and enzymes and so on.

Mixing the food well with saliva is also important for
good digestion and assimilation.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-11 Thread L B Shriver

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snip
 
 *If* there really is a Maharishi Effect, it's hard to
 see how it could be considered anything less than a tragedy
 that the project and the study had no impact.



I start to agree, then I wonder how important any of this really is in the Big 
Picture.

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[FairfieldLife] DC Abortion Rates

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/state_ab_pt/district_of_columbia.pdf

Drawing on the work of economist Steven Levitt, U of Chicago, showing
a causal relationship between abortions and crime rates 16-22 years
later, the aborion rates in DC during the 70s are an important factor
in understanding crime rate trends in DC. The rate for violent crimes
was cut in half from the mid 90's to the present. 

Looking at abortion rates per 1000 women in DC in the 70's the rate
was about 10 times the national average 250 in 1973 and around 200 for
most of the 70's compared to a national rate of around 25- 30. Thus,
lagged abortion it would appear, is part quite an important factor to
control  for when evaluating the impact of other crime reduction
factors. Ignoring lagged abortion rates will tend to overstamake any
crime reduction measure being evaluated in the 1990-2000 time frame.

I will add abortion rates in DC broken down by age cohort, as control
variables in the previous discussed ME regression model and see how
this affects ME impacts.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-11 Thread markmeredith2002

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 snip
  
  *If* there really is a Maharishi Effect, it's hard to
  see how it could be considered anything less than a tragedy
  that the project and the study had no impact.
 
 
 
 I start to agree, then I wonder how important any of this really is
in the Big Picture.
 
 L B S

A realistic impact of the course/study would have been to inspire some
other group of academics or public policy people to investigate
further with their own research.  I don't think that was the atttude
of the tmo - their attitude was 'we did this study which proves our
case, now give us a $billion in public funds to support levitators or
maybe hindu priests'.

Actually I remember being befuddled at the end of the course when MMY
on the teleconference had no interest in talking about the courese and
its effect at all - he had some huckster from south america with him
and a plan for sidhas to move to brazil to become farmers.  There was
the slogan '40 hectares for world peace or something like that.  It
was really disappointing to me after so many of us interrupted their
lives to do the course and try to prove the ME once and for all.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study



--- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  snip
   
   *If* there really is a Maharishi Effect, it's
 hard to
   see how it could be considered anything less
 than a tragedy
   that the project and the study had no impact.
  
  
  
  I start to agree, then I wonder how important any
 of this really is
 in the Big Picture.
  
  L B S
 
 A realistic impact of the course/study would have
 been to inspire some
 other group of academics or public policy people to
 investigate
 further with their own research.  I don't think that
 was the atttude
 of the tmo - their attitude was 'we did this study
 which proves our
 case, now give us a $billion in public funds to
 support levitators or
 maybe hindu priests'.
 
 Actually I remember being befuddled at the end of
 the course when MMY
 on the teleconference had no interest in talking
 about the courese and
 its effect at all - he had some huckster from south
 america with him
 and a plan for sidhas to move to brazil to become
 farmers.  There was
 the slogan '40 hectares for world peace or
 something like that.  It
 was really disappointing to me after so many of us
 interrupted their
 lives to do the course and try to prove the ME once
 and for all.


Perhaps MMY has Cosmic ADHD? ;-)




 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Perhaps MMY has Cosmic ADHD? ;-)
 

Like a stick through water, perhaps. A minute later, what stick?







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ali Stings Bush'



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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
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   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert
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The Champ, Mohammad Ali, stung Mr. Bush,
 Wednesday, at the 
 WH;
 
Giving the hand sign of This Man's Crazy.
 
As Mr.Bush went on a prime time schmoozing
 campaign.
 
Aretha Franklin, also, had little regard in
 body language 
 toward, 
   Mr.Bush.
 
Our President has taken on quite a pathetic
 look; 
 
Different then just a few years ago...
 
Robert Gimbel  Madison,WI.

   He has said before that God tells him what to
 do. I suspect God 
 is 
   now telling him to get the hell outta there.
 Very refreshing, 
 and 
  as 
   unexpected as the toppling of the Berlin wall.
  
  Looks to me like God was sending him a message
  through Muhammad Ali.
 
 Yes, many many messengers of God speaking that
 message to the Bush 
 these days...

I actually feel very sorry for Bush. He's in way over
his head and his advisors are turning out to be true
scoundrals. I don't think he knows what to do. He's
good for a pep rally, but the actually nitty-gritty of
sound policy development seems to be beyond him. 



 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] DNA AND CELLULAR CHANGES

Title: DNA AND CELLULAR CHANGES

DNA AND CELLULAR CHANGES
DNA Upgrades

Dr Berrenda Fox provides evidence of DNA and cellular changes in this article by Patricia Resch. Dr Fox is the holistic practicioner of the Avalon Wellness Centre in Mt Shasta, California.
The Avalon Clinic represents the re-emergence of the ideal of healing as practised on the original Isle of Avalon.
Dr Fox has proven through blood tests that some people have actually developed new strands of DNA.

PR: Berrenda, tell us a little about your background.
BF: I have doctorates in physiology and naturopathy. During my training in Europe I also was involved with the media and this still continues in film and management. As you know, I'm working with FOX Television Network to bring about understanding of extraterrestrials and their role in what is happening with mankind at this time. The most well known are 'Sightings' and 'The X Files'.

PR: What are the changes that are happening at this time on the planet, and how are our bodies being affected?
BF: There are major changes, mutations that haven't occurred, according to geneticists, since the time we supposedly came out of the water. Several years ago in Mexico City there was a convention of geneticists from around the world, and the main topic was the DNA change. We are making an evolutionary change, yet we don't know what we are changing into.

PR: How is our DNA changing?
BF: Everyone has one double helix of DNA. What we are finding is that there are other helixes that are being formed. In the double helix there are two strands of DNA coiled into a spiral. It is my understanding that we will be developing twelve helixes. During this time, which seems to have started maybe 5 to 20 years ago, we have been mutating. This is the scientific explanation. It is a mutation of our species into something for which the end result is not yet known.
The changes are not known publicly, because the scientific community feels it would frighten the population. However, people are changing at the cellular level. I am working with three children right now who have three DNA helixes.
Most people know and feel this. Many religions have talked about the change and know it will come about in different ways.
We know it is a positive mutation even though physically, mentally, and emotionally it can be misunderstood and frightening.

PR: Are these children displaying any characteristics different from other children?
BF: These are children who can move objects across the room just by concentrating on them, or they can fill glasses of water just by looking at them. They're telepathic. You would almost think by knowing these children that they are half angelic or superhuman, but they're not. I think they are what we are growing into during the next few decades.

PR: Do you think this will happen to all of us?
BR: It seems like most people who were born before 1940 have not been able to make the shift, but have initiated something into the next generation that gives them the capacity to form another helix within our lifetime. Our immune and endocrine systems are the most evident of these changes. That is one of the reasons I work with research in immunological testing and therapy.
Some adults that I have tested actually do have another DNA helix forming. Some are even getting their third. These people are going through a lot of major shifts in their consciousness and physical bodies, because it is all one. In my opinion, the Earth and everyone here is raising its vibration. Many of the children born recently have bodies that are magnetically lighter. Those of us that are older and choose to change have to go through many physical changes.
PR: What causes change in bodies born with normal two strand DNA?
BF: The easiest way to mutate our DNA is through a virus. Consequently viruses are not necessarily bad. Viruses live only on living tissue. DNA viruses like Epstein Barr and the Herpes #6 change cellular structure. The retro virus HIV is not a DNA virus. Instead of mutating the body, it actually eats it up.
Most people who go through this process and come out the other side have a new profession, a new way of thinking, or at least a starting of a new way of life. Even though they may feel really sick, tired, or hopeless at times, it is a gift. They are being given a chance to change their DNA structure and their body into a lighter, healthier body that can see them into the next generation. The angels that are being seen are signs that we are shifting. As I understand it, we have until about 2012 to complete this process.

PR: What other changes should we expect to see?
BF: There will be no disease, we will not need to die. We will be able to learn our lessons not through suffering but through joy and love. The old system has to crumble away, and is not doing that without putting up a big fight. So you have all the wars; a lot of the medical type of healing is not working; the government is not working. A

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy



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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu
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  Even if the seeker is looking for the meaning of
 life a good guru 
 guides 
  not controls.  He shows the way instead of forcing
 it.  The 
 student has 
  to see from the teaching and of course the student
 can fail too.
 
 OK. I am a firm believer though others may disagree
 that we get 
 whatever we need, and if we want a good teacher and
 are persistent 
 we will find one. And if we really want
 enlightenment, we get it.
 
 The confusion for the West comes in because our
 technology teaches 
 us that results can be instantaneous, with minimal
 effort and focus 
 on our part (e.g. the difference between taking an
 ox cart vs a jet 
 plane from NYC to Chicago).
 
 So when we begin seeking for enlightenment, nearly
 anyone saying the 
 right stuff will convince us, for a little while
 anyway, that they 
 have the answer.
 
 The trick is to avoid getting discouraged and
 declaring the whole 
 concept is crap, or settling for much less and
 moodmaking, and 
 instead, being absolutely persistent in reaching the
 goal of 
 liberation, which whether one is in heaven or hell,
 can be achieved.

As you imply, you need to hold onto the original
intent and see beyond a particular guru or movement.
You sincerely commit yourself to a spiritual teaching
and if after an honesty length of time following the
teaching you get no or minimal results, it's time to
move on. I always think of Buddha doing this with, I
believe, two gurus he studied with. He found that
their teaching, for him, was not enough and he stayed
true to his original intent of seeking liberation. And
we know the rest of the story.



 
 
 
 
 
 
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  Perhaps MMY has Cosmic ADHD? ;-)
  
 
 Like a stick through water, perhaps. A minute later,
 what stick?

Exactly! Who told you to use the stick? At least it's
not Alzheimers where you forget what a stick is. With
ADD you struggle to organize the parts across time.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ali Stings Bush'

He's good for a pep rally, but the actually nitty-gritty of
 sound policy development seems to be beyond him. 


Though I am in the minority, I cringe at his pep rally attempts. I was
embarrassed as he spoke from the bullhorn in the pile of rubble, his
arm around the fireman. It just seemed unreal and shallow. Ditto for
the flightsuit affair -- Mission accomplished. It all seems
manufactured to me. I get the feeling of nails scractching a chalk
board when I see him at these affairs.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study



--- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

LB, your last post in this thread was truncated, so I
couldn't include it, but I wanted to compliment you on
your observations. As you note, science is, at its
best, an international, public discourse. I can
understand MIU's reluctance to hand over the raw data
for reasons that have nothing to do with this
discourse. All movement research is for one purpose
only: to promote the teaching of TM/TM-Siddhis. It's
for PR only. Those in charge, MMY, aren't interested
in developing a coherent theory of the field effects
of consciousness. They just want to sell TM. The MIU
researchers won't hand over the raw data because the
ME is very weak, almost noise, not pattern. It can
easily be shown not to exist using alternative, and
more traditional, statistical methods used in this
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
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   Perhaps MMY has Cosmic ADHD? ;-)
   
  
  Like a stick through water, perhaps. A minute later,
  what stick?
 
 Exactly! Who told you to use the stick? At least it's
 not Alzheimers where you forget what a stick is. With
 ADD you struggle to organize the parts across time.
 With Alzheimers you forget what the parts are.

yes -- in general.

But I took care of my mom with advanced Alzhiemers for 3 years before
it did her in. Its interesting to watch the disease progress. It
wasn't that she forgot the stick in many cases -- but she could not
verbalize it. For example, she may have forgotten her dogs names, but
she knew them and was loving towards them. She couldn't tell you who
Cary Grant was, but she loved watching his movies on a big screen TV.
And sometimes, she was stuck in the past as a girl or teen with very
clear memories of such times. And they dominated at times. For
periods, she was insistant that she had to go home because her
mother was waiting for her. She could talk in detail about her
(childhood) house and mother -- but had no recognition of her
present house of 20 years. It was very clear to her that her home
(childhood) was just down the road a bit, and she would strike out,
walking down the road to go home. (under watchful eye -- trying to
dissuade her was next to impossible, a la I HAVE to get home. Mother
is waiting!)


 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ali Stings Bush'

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 I actually feel very sorry for Bush. He's in way over
 his head and his advisors are turning out to be true
 scoundrals. I don't think he knows what to do. He's
 good for a pep rally, but the actually nitty-gritty of
 sound policy development seems to be beyond him. 
 
I feel sorry for him to the extent that I feel sorry for anyone in 
pain. However he strikes me as someone who has skated through his 
responsibilities much of his life, with a cynical view towards those 
that opposed him. 

Now he is being asked to step up and lead, and getting a solid dose 
of reality. Given his powerful position, it is what should be 
expected of someone with his responsibilities. Perhaps he is 
becoming aware of the saying, be careful what you wish for.

He has no one to blame for his troubles except himself.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 
 --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Even if the seeker is looking for the meaning of
  life a good guru 
  guides 
   not controls.  He shows the way instead of forcing
  it.  The 
  student has 
   to see from the teaching and of course the student
  can fail too.
  
  OK. I am a firm believer though others may disagree
  that we get 
  whatever we need, and if we want a good teacher and
  are persistent 
  we will find one. And if we really want
  enlightenment, we get it.
  
  The confusion for the West comes in because our
  technology teaches 
  us that results can be instantaneous, with minimal
  effort and focus 
  on our part (e.g. the difference between taking an
  ox cart vs a jet 
  plane from NYC to Chicago).
  
  So when we begin seeking for enlightenment, nearly
  anyone saying the 
  right stuff will convince us, for a little while
  anyway, that they 
  have the answer.
  
  The trick is to avoid getting discouraged and
  declaring the whole 
  concept is crap, or settling for much less and
  moodmaking, and 
  instead, being absolutely persistent in reaching the
  goal of 
  liberation, which whether one is in heaven or hell,
  can be achieved.
 
 As you imply, you need to hold onto the original
 intent and see beyond a particular guru or movement.
 You sincerely commit yourself to a spiritual teaching
 and if after an honesty length of time following the
 teaching you get no or minimal results, it's time to
 move on. I always think of Buddha doing this with, I
 believe, two gurus he studied with. He found that
 their teaching, for him, was not enough and he stayed
 true to his original intent of seeking liberation. And
 we know the rest of the story.
 

One of the most enjoyable benefits of persevering in the desire for 
liberation is that where once there was one teacher who had 'the 
answer', once that phase is transcended, literally all of life's 
experiences take on that same profound quality.

Not all that different from first going to school to learn a skill, 
and then graduating to integrating the skill into every facet of our 
lives; having it come alive.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 --- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 LB, your last post in this thread was truncated, so I
 couldn't include it, but I wanted to compliment you on
 your observations. As you note, science is, at its
 best, an international, public discourse. I can
 understand MIU's reluctance to hand over the raw data
 for reasons that have nothing to do with this
 discourse. All movement research is for one purpose
 only: to promote the teaching of TM/TM-Siddhis. It's
 for PR only. Those in charge, MMY, aren't interested
 in developing a coherent theory of the field effects
 of consciousness. They just want to sell TM. The MIU
 researchers won't hand over the raw data because the
 ME is very weak, almost noise, not pattern. It can
 easily be shown not to exist using alternative, and
 more traditional, statistical methods used in this
 type of research.


Yes. 

And in statistical methods such as multi-variate regression (and ARIMA
which they used -- which can be thought of as a specialized subset of
of regression methods), a large number of model specifications can
be developed and tested. 

(A model specification being the articulation of dependent variable
with various control and explanatory variables aka independent
variables. Such as: crime is a function of weather, LE funding and
unemployment. OR, crime = f(weather, lagged abortion rates, education
levels) OR, crime = f(severity of punisment levels, conviction rates
(agressive prossecution), police on the street. OR crime = f(lagged
head start programs, lagged pre-natal care, lagged school lunch
programs, and lagged classroom size).

Many, many model specifications can be tested. A good analyst and
research team will look to at least half a dozen key parameters to
evaluate how well each model explains the variations in the dependent
variable: i) overall model fit via R^2 and global F test, ii) the
significance of each independent (control) variable, aka t-tests,
i.e., was it a random effect?, iii) were the independent variables
correlated with each other (a bad thing, called multi-collinearity),
iv) are the variables correlated with past values of themselves aka
autocorrelation (a bad thing), v) are the residuals random or skewed
relative to the dependent variable aka hetroscadisity, (a bad thing),
is the model specification consistent with theory, aka does it tell
a reasonable and plausible story -- or were a million independent
variables tested, and chosen ONLY due to good fit (aka, which chan
happen via 'spurious corrleation but really are just randome effects,
vii) is the data good, viii, were the number of independent
varibales less than 10-20x the number of observations, etc.  

Either by inexperience, or via intent to manipulate and arrive at a
pre-selected result, a researcher can shoose model specifications that
show a particular effect, via one paramenter, but are weak in other
parameters. But these parameters or diagnostics (like the eight above)
 can be swept under the carpet and not cited in the research results,
or worded in a best-spin sort of way (characteristic of some TMO
reseaarchers, IMO). 
 
Thus, its critical to make the full original dataset available to
other researchers to test the hypothesis via their approach to model
specification and selection. If a suboptimal specification were chosen
by the original researchers, because one or two paramenters shined,
but others sucked, this illusion can be uncovered by indepedendent
analysis and comparision of the results of different model
specifications -- and the full spectrum of the relevant parameters and
diagnostics associated with them. Or it may be found that alternative
model specifications, strong on all levels, produces a different
conclusion than the original research. This may indicates something
important is missing in one or both models, and more analysis is
necessary.










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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study



--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip

  
 Thus, its critical to make the full original dataset
 available to
 other researchers to test the hypothesis via their
 approach to model
 specification and selection. If a suboptimal
 specification were chosen
 by the original researchers, because one or two
 paramenters shined,
 but others sucked, this illusion can be uncovered
 by indepedendent
 analysis and comparision of the results of different
 model
 specifications -- and the full spectrum of the
 relevant parameters and
 diagnostics associated with them. Or it may be found
 that alternative
 model specifications, strong on all levels, produces
 a different
 conclusion than the original research. This may
 indicates something
 important is missing in one or both models, and more
 analysis is
 necessary.

And in good science this discourse goes back and forth
with re-analysis of data, arguments for and against
stated conclusions and out of this seeming mess really
good, scientific advances come about. (On a side note,
if you follow the topics in scientific journal
articles  it is amusing how rival camps all but call
each other assholes in their publcations)
Unfortunately the TMO is not interersted in having its
ME research looked at because they know it is not
robust. It's a very faint whisper of pattern in a sea
of random noise that can only be seen if you look at
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 snip
 
   
  Thus, its critical to make the full original dataset
  available to
  other researchers to test the hypothesis via their
  approach to model
  specification and selection. If a suboptimal
  specification were chosen
  by the original researchers, because one or two
  paramenters shined,
  but others sucked, this illusion can be uncovered
  by indepedendent
  analysis and comparision of the results of different
  model
  specifications -- and the full spectrum of the
  relevant parameters and
  diagnostics associated with them. Or it may be found
  that alternative
  model specifications, strong on all levels, produces
  a different
  conclusion than the original research. This may
  indicates something
  important is missing in one or both models, and more
  analysis is
  necessary.
 
 And in good science this discourse goes back and forth
 with re-analysis of data, arguments for and against
 stated conclusions and out of this seeming mess really
 good, scientific advances come about. (On a side note,
 if you follow the topics in scientific journal
 articles  it is amusing how rival camps all but call
 each other assholes in their publcations)
 Unfortunately the TMO is not interersted in having its
 ME research looked at because they know it is not
 robust. It's a very faint whisper of pattern in a sea
 of random noise that can only be seen if you look at
 it in a very particular way.
 

Yes. 

Its amusing how some hold that publication in a peer-reviewed journal
is the end-all and be-all of research. Its really an initial screening
for obvious errors. And depending on the status of the journal, the
degree and depth of review by peers may vary substantially from
journal to journal. Regardless, publication is the beginning of the
process, not the end. Its when the real peer review happens: a wider
audience reads the paper, sends comments and issues to letters to the
editor, and often quite a tossle of view proceeds. Which strengthens
subsequent analysis. 

A second level of substantiation of a pulished article is does it
generate enough interest so that more original research is conducted
in the topic area. And is the analysis and methodology strong enough
in the original publication to generate funding for the additional
research.

Since the publication of ME research, it has not, to my knowledge,
generated any non-TMO reasreach or funding. That speaks to the
strength and credibility of the original research.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ali Stings Bush'

2005-11-11 Thread anonymousff

Bush has made a disastrous mess of so many levels of life that to feel
sorry for him doesn't make any sense unless there is some personal
transference going on there.

Think of the hundreds of millions of lives he's negatively impacted,
with 3+ years left to continue on this rampage of destruction,and
transfer that feeling sorry to all of the lives impacted by this
group of rakshasas.



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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend
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  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
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   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert
  Gimbel 
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 The Champ, Mohammad Ali, stung Mr. Bush,
  Wednesday, at the 
  WH;
  
 Giving the hand sign of This Man's Crazy.
  
 As Mr.Bush went on a prime time schmoozing
  campaign.
  
 Aretha Franklin, also, had little regard in
  body language 
  toward, 
Mr.Bush.
  
 Our President has taken on quite a pathetic
  look; 
  
 Different then just a few years ago...
  
 Robert Gimbel  Madison,WI.
 
He has said before that God tells him what to
  do. I suspect God 
  is 
now telling him to get the hell outta there.
  Very refreshing, 
  and 
   as 
unexpected as the toppling of the Berlin wall.
   
   Looks to me like God was sending him a message
   through Muhammad Ali.
  
  Yes, many many messengers of God speaking that
  message to the Bush 
  these days...
 
 I actually feel very sorry for Bush. He's in way over
 his head and his advisors are turning out to be true
 scoundrals. I don't think he knows what to do. He's
 good for a pep rally, but the actually nitty-gritty of
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

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wrote:
snip
 Thus, its critical to make the full original dataset available to
 other researchers to test the hypothesis via their approach to 
 model specification and selection.

Just to make sure several different things don't
get conflated here (again):

The issue L.B. and I have been discussing concerning
the researchers not allowing Markovsky to have their
data was in regard to a different study than the D.C.
study you've been examining.  Markovsky wanted data
for the Jerusalem study.

The raw data--the crime and other stats--used in *both*
studies, however, were publicly available.

That wasn't what Markovsky was asking for with regard
to the Jerusalem study.  He wanted to see the data
produced by the researchers' analysis--what came out of
the computer after the raw data had been input and run
through whatever statistical routines they were using
(as well, presumably, as the statistical routines
themselves).

This is not a case, in other words, where the raw data
were available only to the researchers, as in, say, the
clinical trials of a new drug; or a good bit of the
other TM research on the effects of TM where subjects
were brought into a lab to be tested or were asked to
fill out questionnaires or whatever.







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wrote:
snip
 Unfortunately the TMO is not interersted in having its
 ME research looked at because they know it is not
 robust. It's a very faint whisper of pattern in a sea
 of random noise that can only be seen if you look at
 it in a very particular way.

Peter, you don't *know* this.  You may be right, but
it's your opinion, not an established fact.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

on 11/11/05 11:44 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 And in good science this discourse goes back and forth
 with re-analysis of data, arguments for and against
 stated conclusions and out of this seeming mess really
 good, scientific advances come about. (On a side note,
 if you follow the topics in scientific journal
 articles  it is amusing how rival camps all but call
 each other assholes in their publcations)
 Unfortunately the TMO is not interersted in having its
 ME research looked at because they know it is not
 robust. It's a very faint whisper of pattern in a sea
 of random noise that can only be seen if you look at
 it in a very particular way.

And yet Hagelin brags repeatedly that the ME is the most verified thing in
the history of science. Only one in a gazillion odds that it could be
chance. P values to 25 decimal places or some such thing.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 Since the publication of ME research, it has not, to my knowledge,
 generated any non-TMO reasreach or funding. That speaks to the
 strength and credibility of the original research.

It speaks at least as much to the unorthodox nature
of the hypothesis, actually.  Probably more, because
it's easy to dismiss an unorthodox hypothesis out of
hand as too vanishingly unlikely to make it even worth
making the effort to look closely enough at the
research to see how much strength and credibility it
has.  It's INcredible right out of the box, as far as
most scientists are concerned.

(And by unorthodox, I mean what, for all practical
purposes, amounts to a claim to be able to do magic.)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 Since the publication of ME research, it has not, to my knowledge,
 generated any non-TMO reasreach or funding. That speaks to the
 strength and credibility of the original research.

One additional point: It isn't inconceivable that
some more open-minded independent researchers or
funders could have an interest in pursuing the
Maharishi Effect but don't dare do so because it
would not be good for their reputations in the
scientific community.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ali Stings Bush'

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 Bush has made a disastrous mess of so many levels of life that to
 feel sorry for him doesn't make any sense unless there is some 
 personal transference going on there.
 
 Think of the hundreds of millions of lives he's negatively impacted,
 with 3+ years left to continue on this rampage of destruction,and
 transfer that feeling sorry to all of the lives impacted by this
 group of rakshasas.

What you said.

And the negative effects of his presidency,
unfortunately, aren't going to end when he
leaves office.  He will be leaving a profoundly
poisonous legacy on many levels.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 snip
  Thus, its critical to make the full original dataset available to
  other researchers to test the hypothesis via their approach to 
  model specification and selection.
 
 Just to make sure several different things don't
 get conflated here (again):
 
 
 The raw data--the crime and other stats--used in *both*
 studies, however, were publicly available.


Well, just to make sure several different things don't
get conflated here (again):


You seem to equate public availabilty of FBI crime stats with all the
raw data .. were publically available. First, there is a differnece
between publically available and easily accessable. As I have stated
in prior posts, the weekly FBI stats are not available on line prior
to 1995. While they are probably is some library, finding them copying
them, and keyboard entering them into a research data set is time
consuming and restricive -- and not what is meant by make the full
original dataset available to other researchers.

Second the research data set includes much more than crime stats. It
includes weather data (again hard to find 12-20 years later in a
weekly form) and the socio-economic and LE data used as control
variables. Locating such data is more difficult than obtaining the
crime statistics which are per your words, publically available.

When a data set from a study is made available it is either put on
line, or sent in digital form, on CD for example. At a minimum, a hard
copy of the data is provided -- though this is a bit of a
constsraining option -- a hurdle placed on new researchers wishing to
duplicate or extend the analysis.

As far as computer output from the modeling, its standard to at least
provide a detailed summary of key diognastics and paramters for the
final model specificatation, and for key rejected specifications, and
the reasoning for rejection (e.g, high multi-colineearity or
hetroscadasity.) Full sets of computer output are not required, though
in this age of easy mass archiving -- on-line or CDs, there is no good
reason not to. Regardless, an independent researcher, if they have the
dataset, can rerun the analysis, and obtain all the intermediate steps
and diagnostics they care to analyze.

I hope this clears up this issue so we don't have to keep repeating it.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?

2005-11-11 Thread Rory Goff

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Makes sense to me. Interesting how our gross senses tell us that 
we 
 are separate beings, yet what *feels* true, and leads to more and 
 more knowledge; infinite expansion as far as I can tell, is that 
we 
 are all one. With the other assumption, of being separate, we tend 
 to run dry.

Yes, the separatist assumption worked very well for the scientific 
method and all its bounty, but does indeed run dry ... and cold! :-
) And as far as *meaningful* knowledge goes, it does appear the way 
to go now is via the unitive assumption, which of course *includes* 
the separatist one as well *lol* 
 
 Curious- sorta like that thing with the sun apparently rising and 
 setting but it really doesn't...Celestial humor?


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 on 11/11/05 11:44 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  And in good science this discourse goes back and forth
  with re-analysis of data, arguments for and against
  stated conclusions and out of this seeming mess really
  good, scientific advances come about. (On a side note,
  if you follow the topics in scientific journal
  articles  it is amusing how rival camps all but call
  each other assholes in their publcations)
  Unfortunately the TMO is not interersted in having its
  ME research looked at because they know it is not
  robust. It's a very faint whisper of pattern in a sea
  of random noise that can only be seen if you look at
  it in a very particular way.
 
 And yet Hagelin brags repeatedly that the ME is the most verified
thing in the history of science. Only one in a gazillion odds that it
could be chance. P values to 25 decimal places or some such thing.

Which crappy model spcifications and bad out of whack parameters in
other areas can create. See my adjacent post on this. Thats why you
need to look at the full range of relevant parameters and makes sure
they are witnin acceptable bounds.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?

2005-11-11 Thread Rory Goff

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 I was just curious. Some folks do chant from memory. I have always
 thought would be nice.

Yes, I believe it will be :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  snip
   Thus, its critical to make the full original dataset available 
to
   other researchers to test the hypothesis via their approach 
to 
   model specification and selection.
  
  Just to make sure several different things don't
  get conflated here (again):
  
  The raw data--the crime and other stats--used in *both*
  studies, however, were publicly available.
 
 Well, just to make sure several different things don't
 get conflated here (again):
 
 You seem to equate public availabilty of FBI crime stats with 
all the
 raw data .. were publically available. First, there is a differnece
 between publically available and easily accessable. As I have stated
 in prior posts, the weekly FBI stats are not available on line prior
 to 1995. While they are probably is some library, finding them
 copying them, and keyboard entering them into a research data set 
 is time consuming and restricive -- and not what is meant by make 
 the full original dataset available to other researchers.
 
 Second the research data set includes much more than crime stats. It
 includes weather data (again hard to find 12-20 years later in a
 weekly form) and the socio-economic and LE data used as control
 variables. Locating such data is more difficult than obtaining the
 crime statistics which are per your words, publically available.

Hmm, let me see...gee, I could have sworn I wrote
crime AND OTHER STATS.  looking up at the top
Yes, actually that is exactly what I wrote (minus
the caps for emphasis so you wouldn't miss those
words again).

Your various quibbles aside, my *point* was that the
data were not proprietary, as I went on to say (and
you snipped).






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[FairfieldLife] Vitamins

With regard to the diet discussion, I take some liquid vitamins from these
guys, called Liquid Power that I like a lot: http://caoh.org/




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
  

Proper cooking (and or chopping), and chewing is important.



*Especially* chewing.  I was very impressed with the
Ayur-Vedic principle that thoroughly chewing food is
important because the tastebuds can then give the
digestive system advance notice as to what kind of
food to expect, giving it time to get ready to receive
it properly.  If you bolt your food, the digestive
system doesn't have a chance to prepare the most
effective secretions and enzymes and so on.
  

People who bolt their food usually have a vata aggravation.  OTOH, you 
have to be pretty cerebral to do some of the chewing exercises some 
nutritionists recommend.  But then many nutritionists are cerebral, 
usually have a vata constitution and never had a weight problem in their 
life so they really don't understand the problem.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  on 11/11/05 11:44 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   And in good science this discourse goes back and forth
   with re-analysis of data, arguments for and against
   stated conclusions and out of this seeming mess really
   good, scientific advances come about. (On a side note,
   if you follow the topics in scientific journal
   articles  it is amusing how rival camps all but call
   each other assholes in their publcations)
   Unfortunately the TMO is not interersted in having its
   ME research looked at because they know it is not
   robust. It's a very faint whisper of pattern in a sea
   of random noise that can only be seen if you look at
   it in a very particular way.
  
  And yet Hagelin brags repeatedly that the ME is the most verified
 thing in the history of science. Only one in a gazillion odds that 
it
 could be chance. P values to 25 decimal places or some such thing.
 
 Which crappy model spcifications and bad out of whack parameters in
 other areas can create. See my adjacent post on this. Thats why you
 need to look at the full range of relevant parameters and makes sure
 they are witnin acceptable bounds.

Bear in mind that there's nobody on this forum in a
position to defend the ME studies.  It's easy to make
folks think you've debunked something when they aren't
able to see a response to the debunking.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?

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wrote:
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I tend to mix it up -- I have added 1 free-range no-hormone eggs to 
my diet per day (6g) (or so), 4-8 oz firm tofu (20-40 g), a bit of 
low fat cheese (5-10g), a couple of cups of skim milk (in coffee 
and tea mostly) (18 g) , a skinless chicken breast once in a while 
(20-30 g). A few nuts now and then -- not regualrly -- too heavy 
for me. And lots of fresh vegies (10 g), and fruit only as an
occasional treat. The protein to carb ratio of such exceeds the 
zone, but is not as drastic as atkins.



10 grams of vegetables?  That isn't very much.  Is that
a typo?

You should also be getting a healthy amount of a good
monounsaturated oil, like olive oil, 30 percent of your
calories.  Nuts have it too; you don't have to eat many
of 'em.  Are almonds really too heavy for you?

The Zone diet doesn't worry much about the amount of
fat as long as it's not all saturated.  The idea 
behind the diet is that you tailor it to your own
metabolic needs--if you're feeling hungry all the
time, add more fat, preferably monounsaturated; and
adjust the protein-to-carb ratio until you're feeling
good and losing weight (if that's your goal).

According to the Zone diet, there's nothing wrong wth
fruit as long as it's low glycemic--like berries, apples,
peaches, and so on.  Just eat fruit like pineapple or
banana in very small quantities.  (There are plenty of
lists available of which veggies and fruits are low
glycemic.)

  

Sears has done some good work but even he admits that his diet isn't for 
everyone.  I'm often amused at the mystical properties of fruit as some 
have very little nutritional value whatsoever.  I just think the 
nutritionists want to believe they're good for because they're so pretty. :)



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ali Stings Bush'

jim_flanegin wrote:

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wrote:
  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 


[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  

wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

The Champ, Mohammad Ali, stung Mr. Bush, Wednesday, at the 


WH;
  

 
Giving the hand sign of This Man's Crazy.
 
As Mr.Bush went on a prime time schmoozing campaign.
 
Aretha Franklin, also, had little regard in body language 


toward, 
  

Mr.Bush.
  

 
Our President has taken on quite a pathetic look; 
 
Different then just a few years ago...
 
Robert Gimbel  Madison,WI.



He has said before that God tells him what to do. I suspect God 
  

is 
  

now telling him to get the hell outta there. Very refreshing, 
  

and 
  

as 


unexpected as the toppling of the Berlin wall.
  

Looks to me like God was sending him a message
through Muhammad Ali.



Yes, many many messengers of God speaking that message to the Bush 
these days...

  

And probably a lot of voices in his head.  That skull'n bones initiation 
with the corpse is for spirit possession so the real Dubya may have left 
the body long ago.  ;-)





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would you have allowed Bill Gates to be born?

akasha_108 wrote:

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wrote:
  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


on 11/10/05 8:30 PM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 


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wrote: 


Would you have allowed Bill Gates to be born?
Advances in prenatal genetic testing pose tough questions 
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7899821/  
Who needs Bill Gates? No, I don't mean who needs a gazillionaire
corporate titan, a man whose company, Microsoft, took in 
  

billions of
  

dollars last year by controlling nearly all the software used to 
  

run
  

nearly every computer on the planet.

No, I mean, literally, who needs him?  If you could go back in 
  

time
  

and stop the birth of the world's most famous nerd, would you?

You probably answered my question with a no. Whatever Gates' 
  

sins
  

may be, he is the father of a computer revolution...
  

He might have earned that moniker if it hadn't
been for Charles Babbage 150 years ago, or
Alan Turing or Clive Sinclair who created the concept
of home computer. History will see Gates as someone
who used the chance for bare faced profit, making
£75,000,000,000 selling faulty goods. No car manufacturer
could get away with it. And we put up with it.


He's leaving comparatively little to his children. Donating 
billions to AIDS research and other worthy causes...
  

...which tend to be glamorous causes rather than assisting
those who spend hours stripping and re-rigging his products
because they are faulty.
Uns.




I am pretty happy with XP Pro. Maybe your needs are much more demanding. 
  

Until it gets a virus they can't figure out.  I use Linux for email and 
web browsing.

I love the fact that Sony's CD protection got hacked.  Some of these 
things are divine justice.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-11 Thread Jason Spock

Your Opinion Mark.??
Meta Analysis Reveals the Power of TM
By David Orme-Johnson, from TM News Oct 95
Transcendental Meditation is far superior to other meditation and relaxation teckniques in increasing self-actualization because it provides the experience of Transcendental consciousness
Last year, we reported on the publication of a meta-analysis which showed that Transcendental Meditation was significantly more effective than other meditation and relaxation techniques in a wide range of areas. Here we carry a report by one of the authors of the study, Dr David Orme-Johnson.
"One day early in 1998 I was walking on air. I received a letter from the prestigious American Journal of Health Promotion saying that not only had our paper been accepted for publication, but that it was slated to be the lead article* in the May/June 1998 issue. Receiving a letter of acceptance is always a great joy because it means that months and sometimes years of work have finally come to fruition. It means that the reviewers-top researchers and statisticians-have scrutinized the paper and concluded that it is a valid piece of knowledge. It will go out to thousands of scientists, doctors, business people, and policy makers around the world. And being the lead article means highest visibility.
But publication of this paper was particularly exciting because its scope was huge-an overview of a total of 597 studies involving an estimated 20,000 subjects. It showed the Transcendental Meditation technique to be far superior to all other forms of meditation and relaxation in the areas of anxiety reduction, blood pressure reduction, physiological relaxation, self-actualization, improved psychological outcomes, and decreased use of cigarettes, alcohol, and drugs. And yet the paper was only three pages long!

How did we pack so much information into such a small space? The key was a technique called meta-analysis. Meta-analysis allows one to compare a wide variety of research designs and measurement scales by creating a standardized measure that can be applied to all the studies. It's like creating a "common denominator" for the research results from many different universities and research institutions. Then all the research on different techniques can be directly compared and grand conclusions can be drawn.
Dr Ken Walton of the Department of Chemistry at Maharishi University of Management and I decided to collect all the meta-analyses on the TM technique and other meditation and relaxation techniques together and consolidate these findings into one short paper.
The first meta-analysis on the Transcendental Meditation technique appeared in 1981 by Dr Philip Ferguson. Dr Ferguson found that the Transcendental Meditation technique improved psychological health significantly more than Zen meditation or relaxation response techniques.
Then in 1987, Dr Michael Dillbeck and I published a meta-analysis in the American Psychologist, showing that the Transcendental Meditation technique produces a greater reduction of stress parameters than does ordinary rest.
In 1989, Dr Kenneth Eppley at Stanford University and colleagues published a meta-analysis in the Journal of Clinical Psychology on 146 studies showing that the Transcendental Meditation technique was far superior to other techniques in reducing anxiety. The beauty of this study is that it cross-validates the physiological results. Research in two domains, physiology and psychology, all pointed to the same conclusions. This is also a wonderful study because it shows that the results are 1) upheld by the strongest experimental designs, 2) get stronger the longer one meditates, and 3) are valid no matter who does the research or where it is published.
For blood pressure, we added the results of Dr. Robert Schneider and Dr. Charles Alexander's study of hypertension in Oakland to a meta-analysis that came out in the Annals of Internal Medicine. While Schneider and Alexander's study showing that the TM technique is effective in reducing hypertension, the meta-analysis found that other techniques are simply not effective. In fact, the Sixth Joint National Committee on the Detection, Evaluation and Treatment of High Blood Pressure concluded that this research on the TM technique is the only properly controlled trial of stress reduction that has shown effectiveness in reducing blood pressure among people with hypertension.
The other four meta-analyses we used were the work of Charles, Maxwell Rainforth, and colleagues. Their 1991 paper in the Journal of Social Behavior and Personality shows that the Transcendental Meditation technique is far superior to other meditation and relaxation technique in increasing self-actualization because it provides the experience of Transcendental Consciousness. Their 1994 paper in the Alcoholism Treatment Quarterly included three meta-analyses showing that the TM technique is highly effective in reducing cigarette, alcohol, and drug abuse, indicating

[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  
   on 11/11/05 11:44 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

And in good science this discourse goes back and forth
with re-analysis of data, arguments for and against
stated conclusions and out of this seeming mess really
good, scientific advances come about. (On a side note,
if you follow the topics in scientific journal
articles  it is amusing how rival camps all but call
each other assholes in their publcations)
Unfortunately the TMO is not interersted in having its
ME research looked at because they know it is not
robust. It's a very faint whisper of pattern in a sea
of random noise that can only be seen if you look at
it in a very particular way.
   
   And yet Hagelin brags repeatedly that the ME is the most
verified  thing in the history of science. Only one in a gazillion
odds that it  could be chance. P values to 25 decimal places or some
such thing.
  
  Which crappy model spcifications and bad out of whack parameters
in other areas can create. See my adjacent post on this. Thats why you
need to look at the full range of relevant parameters and makes sure
they are witnin acceptable bounds.
 
 Bear in mind that there's nobody on this forum in a
 position to defend the ME studies.  It's easy to make
 folks think you've debunked something when they aren't
 able to see a response to the debunking.


I simply made  a general statement, not support or debunking any
particular study. The operative word is can. 

General statement: A crappy model specification can create the false
appearance of high t values (e.g., p.0xx). 

Specific statment about a specific model: none

The general statement may or may not apply to the ME study or any
other study. One would have to look at the specifics of the study. 

The point being, a p .xxx is not necessary golden. One
needs to look at all the parameters coming out of the analysis.








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[FairfieldLife] Where is the truth?

Title: Where is the truth?





From a friend of mine in Germany:

-- Forwarded Message
From: Peter Rohr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Peter Rohr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:01:28 +0100
To: NATHAN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Where is the truth?



Peter,
Thanks for nice and very free notes.
I feel also some changes, 
but I did not yet have find truth.
Maybe because the truth is also a concept.

By.
M
 

Dear M
 
there is only one realm in which we cannot find truth: in the self created realm of our mind where we dwell in expectation, hope and anticipation.
 
When your mind functions in the hoping and wishing mode we somehow deny the truth of the moment by separating us from what is.
 
The Truth is aways in front of our eyes. The more we are present and participate with the realiyt of the moment the more the truth will reveal itself to us.
 


What is the most difficult thing in life?
To see that which is in front of your eyes
-Johann Wolfgang Goethe- 


 
The more you are spending time in hoping, anticipating, expecting, dreaming and wishing the more space you will create between you and truth.
 
You are spending to much time in looking for something that may only exist in your imagination
 
You are made out of truth, every cell and every neuron of your brain is reverberating and oscillating in the frequency of truth, you are surrounded by nothing but truth, every thought you think, every emotion you feel and every perception you undertake is nothing but the experience of truth.
 
How can you say that you have not yet find the truth? 
 
What you are looking for?
 
How can a fish being constantly in water be thirsty?

Everything around you is not only an _expression_ of truth but truth itself.

You are swimming in truth, truth is penetrating every fiber of your being.

The entire universe with its infinite space-time-geometry is nothing but truth.

There is nothing in this existence that is not truth. 
 
Stop this nonsense of meditation if after decades of practise you are still looking for truth. 
 
Every part of truth that you can ever imagine is already there. Nothing is missing. 
 
All the glory of this world is truth; all the misery of this world is truth, too. 
 
Death, suffering, ageing, ignorance are also truth. The entire world in all its phases of evolution is truth in the process of _expression_.
 


It is not necessary to give up this worldly life to gain the Kingdom of God. 
This world is itself the Kingdom of God.
-Anasuya Devi-
 


There is nothing that is wrong. Everything has its place. And everything is working at its optimum. 
 
But we can only see and appreciate that when we are able to face inner and outer reality without defence, without denial, without escape and without rebellion against what is. 
 
Just stop searching and open your eyes or continue to search because also this searching and seemingly not finding is also truth.
 
Imagine: If you would start looking for your glases or contact lenses - even though they are exactly there where they are supposed to be - on your nose or already on your eyes - you would only delay the time to find them.
 


You already have all the experience you need.
You need not gather any more; rather you must go beyond experience.
Whatever effort you make, whatever method (sadhana) you follow,
will merely generate more experience, but will not take you beyond.
Nor will reading books help you. 
They will enrich your mind, 
but the person you are will remain intact. 
If you expect any benefits from your search, 
material, mental or spiritual, you have missed the point. 
Truth gives no advantage. 
It gives you no higher status, no power over others, 
all you get is truth and freedom from the false.
-Sri Nirsagadatta Maharaj- 


 
Enjoy the truth of the moment that is right now revealing itself to you.
 
Peter






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Other Earth-like worlds?

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  I was just curious. Some folks do chant from memory. I have always
  thought would be nice.
 
 Yes, I believe it will be :-)

Yes, when the cognition flows effortlessly into speech due to its 
reflection in the physiology/nervous system/body vs laborious 
memorization. The latter may be a path for some, though.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-11 Thread markmeredith2002

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 Your Opinion Mark.??

(in deniro voice): You talking to ME??  Well I think tm research, esp
physiological, is infinitely better than M-effect research.  I don't
enough about meta-analysis to really comment, though obviously it must
depends on the quality of the underlying studies and I wish there were
more independent tm studies too.  My personal belief is that tm is a
great meditation technique, though not far superior to every other
technique out there, as this study concludes.  If it were affordable
I'd be telling everyone to start it.  Also I don't think the TMO
really cares that much anymore about teaching tm.


Meta Analysis Reveals the Power of TMBy David Orme-Johnson, from TM
News Oct 95
 Transcendental Meditation is far superior to other meditation and
relaxation teckniques in increasing self-actualization because it
provides the experience of Transcendental consciousness
 
 Last year, we reported on the publication of a meta-analysis which
showed that Transcendental Meditation was significantly more effective
than other meditation and relaxation techniques in a wide range of
areas. Here we carry a report by one of the authors of the study, Dr
David Orme-Johnson.
 
 One day early in 1998 I was walking on air. I received a letter
from the prestigious American Journal of Health Promotion saying that
not only had our paper been accepted for publication, but that it was
slated to be the lead article* in the May/June 1998 issue. Receiving a
letter of acceptance is always a great joy because it means that
months and sometimes years of work have finally come to fruition. It
means that the reviewers-top researchers and statisticians-have
scrutinized the paper and concluded that it is a valid piece of
knowledge. It will go out to thousands of scientists, doctors,
business people, and policy makers around the world. And being the
lead article means highest visibility.
 
 But publication of this paper was particularly exciting because its
scope was huge-an overview of a total of 597 studies involving an
estimated 20,000 subjects. It showed the Transcendental Meditation
technique to be far superior to all other forms of meditation and
relaxation in the areas of anxiety reduction, blood pressure
reduction, physiological relaxation, self-actualization, improved
psychological outcomes, and decreased use of cigarettes, alcohol, and
drugs. And yet the paper was only three pages long!
 
 
 
 How did we pack so much information into such a small space? The key
was a technique called meta-analysis. Meta-analysis allows one to
compare a wide variety of research designs and measurement scales by
creating a standardized measure that can be applied to all the
studies. It's like creating a common denominator for the research
results from many different universities and research institutions.
Then all the research on different techniques can be directly compared
and grand conclusions can be drawn.
 
 Dr Ken Walton of the Department of Chemistry at Maharishi University
of Management and I decided to collect all the meta-analyses on the TM
technique and other meditation and relaxation techniques together and
consolidate these findings into one short paper.
 
 The first meta-analysis on the Transcendental Meditation technique
appeared in 1981 by Dr Philip Ferguson. Dr Ferguson found that the
Transcendental Meditation technique improved psychological health
significantly more than Zen meditation or relaxation response techniques.
 
 Then in 1987, Dr Michael Dillbeck and I published a meta-analysis in
the American Psychologist, showing that the Transcendental Meditation
technique produces a greater reduction of stress parameters than does
ordinary rest.
 
 In 1989, Dr Kenneth Eppley at Stanford University and colleagues
published a meta-analysis in the Journal of Clinical Psychology on 146
studies showing that the Transcendental Meditation technique was far
superior to other techniques in reducing anxiety. The beauty of this
study is that it cross-validates the physiological results. Research
in two domains, physiology and psychology, all pointed to the same
conclusions. This is also a wonderful study because it shows that the
results are 1) upheld by the strongest experimental designs, 2) get
stronger the longer one meditates, and 3) are valid no matter who does
the research or where it is published.
 
 For blood pressure, we added the results of Dr. Robert Schneider and
Dr. Charles Alexander's study of hypertension in Oakland to a
meta-analysis that came out in the Annals of Internal Medicine. While
Schneider and Alexander's study showing that the TM technique is
effective in reducing hypertension, the meta-analysis found that other
techniques are simply not effective. In fact, the Sixth Joint National
Committee on the Detection, Evaluation and Treatment of High Blood
Pressure concluded that this research on the TM technique is the only

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Lalita Sahasranama. Was:Other Earth-like worlds?

2005-11-11 Thread hanumanhoffman9

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip
 Sri Lalithambika Sahasranama Stotram -- best to get one with 
 transliterations (for easy pronunication) and engish translations :-)

Jaya Sri Mata!

Lalita Sahasra Nama and Lalita Trishati are two sacred hymns which 
Hayagriva gave as 
initiation to the sage Agastya. In ÕTrishatiÕ, there are twenty names for each 
of the fifteen 
Beeja Aksharas (seed-letters) of the Divine Mother. These three hundred names 
reveal the 
philosophical significance of the Divine Mother.

My wife an I have been reciting these for almost a couple of years now.
We found it easiest to learn proper pronounciation,metre, etc by listening to 
it on the cd 
Sri Lalita rendered by Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji. It also contains 
Devi 
Navakam which is a song Sri Swamiji wrote singing the 300 names from Lalita 
Trishati
It is most beautiful and through listening to these recited properly the 
feeling of Divine 
Mother is unmistakeable.

cd can be found through this link
http://www.dattapeethamestore.com/dat_product2.asp?prodid=Acabh10041

This is a link for USA with phone number.
http://www.dycusa.org/webstore/default.asp

I also have a link available to a .pdf with detailed story of Sri Lalita 
Sahasranama
if interested


Here is one of many beautiful bhajans Sri Swamiji has written about Lalita Devi:

Pallavi: Devi! Vande Sri Lalite!

Deva! Vande Sri Lalite!

Stanza 1: Devi Hey Shiva Ranjani Trahi Pahi mam

Devi Devi Vande Vande Trahi Pahi mam

Stanza 2: Sri Kale Hree Kale Girisha kale Chit kale

Sachchidananda Pahimam Ruchita kale

Meaning:

Oh! Devi! Lalita! I prostrate to you. All the celestial beings worship you. 
You are the 
consort of Lord SHIVA. I pray to you for protection. You are the origin of all 
wealth, 
knowledge and power. You create everything in the universe. Your spiritual 
brilliance is 
ever fresh. Bless me with the realisation of SAT-CHIT-ANANDA (Truth- 
Knowledge-Bliss).

The Divine Mother is the originator of all the grace and power in the entire 
universe. It is 
by her Divine will, that all the creatures are empowered and energised to 
speak, to do or 
to think.

Jaya Guru Datta







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[FairfieldLife] More is less.

2005-11-11 Thread uns_tressor

Message 79084 is 44 screens long. This
means that people either plod through
all that stuff; or skip it altogether.
Who read it all?
Who skipped it?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: eating meat/ostrich anyone?

2005-11-11 Thread Sal Sunshine

Tofu--it's what for dinner.

Sal


On Nov 11, 2005, at 9:05 AM, akasha_108 wrote:

Tofu --
 its gotta be more easily broken down than chicken, and certainly beef.

[FairfieldLife] article on TM - needs leters to the editor- join in

2005-11-11 Thread sidha7001

http://www.dailyemerald.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/10/437313e2094fc

Meditation movement lacks proper credentials
Editorial
By Emerald editorial board
November 10, 2005
A sold-out crowd packed into 150 Columbia Tuesday night to hear famous filmmaker David Lynch speak. Perhaps they came to learn about the meaning of his dark films, but Lynch primarily used his time to promote the controversial practice of Transcendental Meditation.
A practitioner of TM for 32 years, Lynch wants to raise billions of dollars to teach it to any child in America who wants to learn it. Like many TM proponents, Lynch, accompanied by two “experts,” described TM as a way to usher in world peace and achieve greater personal effectiveness. Lynch and his comrades couched the practice in scientific terms.
But they didn’t give the audience the whole story.
Now famous as the Beatles’ one-time guru, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi founded TM in India in 1958 as the outgrowth of a Hindu spiritual movement. Since then, more than 6 million people have learned TM, according to the organization’s Web site. Learning the technique costs $2,500.
At first, TM practitioners meditate for about 20 minutes twice daily with their eyes closed, repeating a syllabic phrase or “mantra” to reach “pure awareness” and rid themselves of conscious thought.
We don’t dispute the fact that meditation in general can be calming and beneficial. Yet we raise questions consumers should seriously consider before purchasing this commodity as a means to attain peace.
First, we question the high cost. During his speech, Lynch said people who really want peace will find the money to pay for TM classes. Some advocates say the cost ensures the TM movement will persevere and grow, and that the price wouldn’t seem outrageous if we lived in a culture that values meditation. Yet people can learn many types of meditation for free from books and classes. Proponents claim the TM mantras are more effective than repeating secular sounds, but some books on meditation say otherwise.
We also question the scientific merits of TM. Advocates claim a multitude of scientific studies validate the physiological benefits of TM. Many of these studies, however, are conducted at the organization’s own Maharishi University of Management and they are not necessarily published in peer-reviewed journals. Any scholars thinking about trying TM should check out these scientific claims, especially those that suggest TM is different from other forms of meditation. We also cannot find any credible evidence to support the claim that TM creates peace by “radiating an influence of harmony to your surroundings.” In light of the recent heated debate over the scientific merit of Intelligent Design, TM should come under equally rigorous investigation.
People with certain religious beliefs should also investigate the religious roots of TM. Although advocates claim it is simply a “mental technique” and not a religion or philosophy, historical facts clearly show TM is rooted in Hinduism; the mantras people repeat during TM are the names of Hindu gods. Moreover, the movement lost a 1979 suit after the New Jersey Supreme Court ruled TM was based on religious concepts and shouldn’t be taught in schools. TM has been presented in a secular package to appeal to Westerners.
Millions of people like Lynch have found TM to be a satisfying and worthwhile purchase, as demonstrated by their longtime commitments to the practice. However, we hope listeners at Lynch’s recent speech take the initiative to investigate the statements made by this salesman of pseudo-science and evaluate whether they belong in an academic setting like this University. We think they don’t.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: article on TM - needs leters to the editor- join in

2005-11-11 Thread bmorry2000

Looks like a good article to me.  Where are the errors?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
http://www.dailyemerald.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/10/437313e2094
fc
 
 Meditation movement lacks proper credentials
 Editorial
 By Emerald editorial board
 November 10, 2005
 A sold-out crowd packed into 150 Columbia Tuesday night to hear 
famous 
 filmmaker David Lynch speak. Perhaps they came to learn about the 
meaning of his 
 dark films, but Lynch primarily used his time to promote the 
controversial 
 practice of Transcendental Meditation.
 A practitioner of TM for 32 years, Lynch wants to raise billions of 
dollars 
 to teach it to any child in America who wants to learn it. Like 
many TM 
 proponents, Lynch, accompanied by two âexperts,â described TM 
as a way to usher in 
 world peace and achieve greater personal effectiveness. Lynch and 
his comrades 
 couched the practice in scientific terms.
 But they didnât give the audience the whole story.
 Now famous as the Beatlesâ one-time guru, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
founded TM in 
 India in 1958 as the outgrowth of a Hindu spiritual movement. Since 
then, 
 more than 6 million people have learned TM, according to the 
organizationâs Web 
 site. Learning the technique costs $2,500.
 At first, TM practitioners meditate for about 20 minutes twice 
daily with 
 their eyes closed, repeating a syllabic phrase or âmantraâ to 
reach âpure 
 awarenessâ and rid themselves of conscious thought.
 We donât dispute the fact that meditation in general can be 
calming and 
 beneficial. Yet we raise questions consumers should seriously 
consider before 
 purchasing this commodity as a means to attain peace.
 First, we question the high cost. During his speech, Lynch said 
people who 
 really want peace will find the money to pay for TM classes. Some 
advocates say 
 the cost ensures the TM movement will persevere and grow, and that 
the price 
 wouldnât seem outrageous if we lived in a culture that values 
meditation. Yet 
 people can learn many types of meditation for free from books and 
classes. 
 Proponents claim the TM mantras are more effective than repeating 
secular sounds, 
 but some books on meditation say otherwise.
 We also question the scientific merits of TM. Advocates claim a 
multitude of 
 scientific studies validate the physiological benefits of TM. Many 
of these 
 studies, however, are conducted at the organizationâs own 
Maharishi University 
 of Management and they are not necessarily published in peer-
reviewed journals. 
 Any scholars thinking about trying TM should check out these 
scientific 
 claims, especially those that suggest TM is different from other 
forms of 
 meditation. We also cannot find any credible evidence to support 
the claim that TM 
 creates peace by âradiating an influence of harmony to your 
surroundings.â In 
 light of the recent heated debate over the scientific merit of 
Intelligent 
 Design, TM should come under equally rigorous investigation.
 People with certain religious beliefs should also investigate the 
religious 
 roots of TM. Although advocates claim it is simply a âmental 
techniqueâ and 
 not a religion or philosophy, historical facts clearly show TM is 
rooted in 
 Hinduism; the mantras people repeat during TM are the names of 
Hindu gods. 
 Moreover, the movement lost a 1979 suit after the New Jersey 
Supreme Court ruled TM 
 was based on religious concepts and shouldnât be taught in 
schools. TM has been 
 presented in a secular package to appeal to Westerners.
 Millions of people like Lynch have found TM to be a satisfying and 
worthwhile 
 purchase, as demonstrated by their longtime commitments to the 
practice. 
 However, we hope listeners at Lynchâs recent speech take the 
initiative to 
 investigate the statements made by this salesman of pseudo-science 
and evaluate 
 whether they belong in an academic setting like this University. We 
think they donâ
 t.
 Meditation movement lacks proper credentials
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 Date
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 Posted by:
 11/10/2005
 TM like all forms of meditation, is...
 Gary Bazdell
 11/10/2005
 I happened to love the lecture, yet i...
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 11/11/2005
 Dear Editor, I appreciate serious,...
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Re: [FairfieldLife] More is less.

2005-11-11 Thread gullible fool


 Who read it all?
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I blocked it all.

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[FairfieldLife] Lalitha Sahasranam posted on-line

2005-11-11 Thread benjaminccollins

I have some recordings of Lalith Sahasranam which I will post on
www.puja.net so anyone who wants them can download for free.  I think
I also have a  transliteration and translation which I will also post
in case you are interested.  The links will be towards the bottom of
the main page.

Interestingly enough the site where Agastya-rishi was given this
knowledge by Varaha is the Varadaraja Temple in Kanchipuram southeast
of Madras. 

The temple is literally across the street from the place where my
puja.net yagya group has our monthly yagyas.  Inside the temple walls
is the 2nd largest Vishnu temple in all of India.  The temple has a
large water pond in the middle of which is a special temple for a
form of Vishnu that is kept in a special sealed box under the water
and only taken out for pujas every 30 years!

As an aside all of the temples in Kanchipuram face the main temple in
the area, the Kamakshi Devi temple.  So there are many many south
facing temples.  (so much for vastu!)

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[FairfieldLife] 'Interesting Article-Creating New Portals of Energy'

2005-11-11 Thread Robert Gimbel




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St. Germain
11th
November, 2005

A day has arrived that
heralds great expectations, as yet another portal opens. Indeed, the
plan for
uplifting all forms of consciousness moves a further step forward to
its
ultimate conclusion. The changing vibrations are hastening the
transformation
of the old, and there will continue to be a whole series of openings
that will
allow them to continue. There is an unending series of changes that are
highlighted by the opening of the portals. It is not that you can
expect to immediately
note the changes, but some who are more sensitive undoubtedly will.
A portal is created by
the merging of energies in a pattern that creates it. It is both an
entry and
exit point. For those who are ready, it is yet another source of higher
energies
that you can take into yourself. It enables another step along the way
to
growth, and one that will ensure your continued upliftment out of the
lower
energies. It is gradually putting distance between you and such
energies, and
the paths are becoming more separated. Whilst the Light consolidates
and
strengthens, the lower energies are further weakened and breaking up.
The great plan for
your going forward and upwards has always been in place, and required
activating by you. This you have done with much success and we help you
in its
manifestation. The die has been set and nothing will prevent the full
plan from
creating a new reality. You have reached a stage now where you need
little
encouragement to carry it through to the end. Your expanding
consciousness will
carry you into new areas of awareness. You will begin to see beyond the
veils
that have hidden much from your eyes.
These are times when
you can begin to believe in yourself, and be positive about your
abilities.
Healers for example will attract more energy doing their work, and
results will
begin to show that you have a new found strength. You should also begin
to find
a greater sense of peace and contentment, and be able to focus yourself
more
easily. There will be no looking back, the path has opened up and you
have it
in your sights. Through your understanding you will be able to carry
others
with you, and a distinct separation of Light and Dark is occurring.
Just think of where
you are today compared to just a few years ago. Can you be
introspective and
realize how quickly your growth has taken place. How much more power
you wield,
and how you are re-shaping the world through your power of thought. We
who are
with you the whole of the way, direct you in those activities so that
you put
your emphasis where it is needed. Lightworkers need very little
prompting, and
they are responsible for so much good work that has helped prepare the
way.
Love Is, and that is
all you need to carry out your magnificent work in transmuting the old
energies. The dark are the destroyers, and the Light are the builders
putting
their creations beyond the ability of them to touch the new with their
destructive energies. Some of you will be directly involved with the
outcome of
the physical occurrences that are happening on Earth, but be assured
that your
part in the plan requires it to be so.
Creating a new reality
requires many different approaches to bring about its manifestation,
and it is
a collective effort where all play a part. No part is viewed as any
greater than
another, and you are all simply contributing in a way best suited to
you as
individuals, but as a part of the whole. You are one family that came
together
for an experience in duality, and together you will see it out to its
completion. These are the most momentous times and you are beginning to
grasp
what they mean.
You came into this
period of time specifically to contribute to the changes, and you
brought with
you your individual plans. However, all is cleverly integrated into the
Greater
Plan of the Creator, and it will conclude in the perfection granted to
it. We
tell you that whatever happens, and no matter how often you seem to get
setbacks, all still proceeds on its forward march to victory. Stand
well back
and allow the events on Earth to complete their tasks, and then bask in
your
well earned glory. You are entitled to reflect on

[FairfieldLife] message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2005-11-11 Thread Ron F

Hi Paz, 

If you write me back with a correct email address, I think what I have to say 
to you
can be helpfull

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 
 --- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 LB, your last post in this thread was truncated, so I
 couldn't include it, but I wanted to compliment you on
 your observations. As you note, science is, at its
 best, an international, public discourse. I can
 understand MIU's reluctance to hand over the raw data
 for reasons that have nothing to do with this
 discourse. All movement research is for one purpose
 only: to promote the teaching of TM/TM-Siddhis. It's
 for PR only. Those in charge, MMY, aren't interested
 in developing a coherent theory of the field effects
 of consciousness. They just want to sell TM. The MIU
 researchers won't hand over the raw data because the
 ME is very weak, almost noise, not pattern. It can
 easily be shown not to exist using alternative, and
 more traditional, statistical methods used in this
 type of research.
 

You may be correct, but your evidence of this is...?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

2005-11-11 Thread Vaj


On Nov 11, 2005, at 10:20 PM, sparaig wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:



 --- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 LB, your last post in this thread was truncated, so I
 couldn't include it, but I wanted to compliment you on
 your observations. As you note, science is, at its
 best, an international, public discourse. I can
 understand MIU's reluctance to hand over the raw data
 for reasons that have nothing to do with this
 discourse. All movement research is for one purpose
 only: to promote the teaching of TM/TM-Siddhis. It's
 for PR only. Those in charge, MMY, aren't interested
 in developing a coherent theory of the field effects
 of consciousness. They just want to sell TM. The MIU
 researchers won't hand over the raw data because the
 ME is very weak, almost noise, not pattern. It can
 easily be shown not to exist using alternative, and
 more traditional, statistical methods used in this
 type of research.


 You may be correct, but your evidence of this is...?

Wake Up and smell the Raja's Cup. It's been in front of us all the time.

How could we miss it?



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  
  
  --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  snip
  

   Thus, its critical to make the full original dataset
   available to
   other researchers to test the hypothesis via their
   approach to model
   specification and selection. If a suboptimal
   specification were chosen
   by the original researchers, because one or two
   paramenters shined,
   but others sucked, this illusion can be uncovered
   by indepedendent
   analysis and comparision of the results of different
   model
   specifications -- and the full spectrum of the
   relevant parameters and
   diagnostics associated with them. Or it may be found
   that alternative
   model specifications, strong on all levels, produces
   a different
   conclusion than the original research. This may
   indicates something
   important is missing in one or both models, and more
   analysis is
   necessary.
  
  And in good science this discourse goes back and forth
  with re-analysis of data, arguments for and against
  stated conclusions and out of this seeming mess really
  good, scientific advances come about. (On a side note,
  if you follow the topics in scientific journal
  articles  it is amusing how rival camps all but call
  each other assholes in their publcations)
  Unfortunately the TMO is not interersted in having its
  ME research looked at because they know it is not
  robust. It's a very faint whisper of pattern in a sea
  of random noise that can only be seen if you look at
  it in a very particular way.
  
 
 Yes. 
 
 Its amusing how some hold that publication in a peer-reviewed 
journal
 is the end-all and be-all of research. Its really an initial 
screening
 for obvious errors. And depending on the status of the journal, the
 degree and depth of review by peers may vary substantially from
 journal to journal. Regardless, publication is the beginning of the
 process, not the end. Its when the real peer review happens: a wider
 audience reads the paper, sends comments and issues to letters to 
the
 editor, and often quite a tossle of view proceeds. Which 
strengthens
 subsequent analysis. 
 
 A second level of substantiation of a pulished article is does it
 generate enough interest so that more original research is conducted
 in the topic area. And is the analysis and methodology strong enough
 in the original publication to generate funding for the additional
 research.
 
 Since the publication of ME research, it has not, to my knowledge,
 generated any non-TMO reasreach or funding. That speaks to the
 strength and credibility of the original research.


Please. The PEAR research is far more well-documented than the ME 
research but no-one takes it seriously either. The findings are too 
far outside the paradigm to be attractive to serious researchers.

In a strange sense, it's like the proof of Fermat's Last Theorm: it 
proves nothing about anything else and only a handful of people are 
interested in slogging through it.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
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 on 11/11/05 11:44 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  And in good science this discourse goes back and forth
  with re-analysis of data, arguments for and against
  stated conclusions and out of this seeming mess really
  good, scientific advances come about. (On a side note,
  if you follow the topics in scientific journal
  articles  it is amusing how rival camps all but call
  each other assholes in their publcations)
  Unfortunately the TMO is not interersted in having its
  ME research looked at because they know it is not
  robust. It's a very faint whisper of pattern in a sea
  of random noise that can only be seen if you look at
  it in a very particular way.
 
 And yet Hagelin brags repeatedly that the ME is the most verified 
thing in
 the history of science. Only one in a gazillion odds that it could 
be
 chance. P values to 25 decimal places or some such thing.


Well, he helped with the analysis, I'm sure, but his expertise is in 
theoretical physics, not social sciences. Also, on its face, its a 
silly assertion, since ANY newtonian experiment has an effect-size 
lightyears beyond any ME effect claim.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  
   on 11/11/05 11:44 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

And in good science this discourse goes back and forth
with re-analysis of data, arguments for and against
stated conclusions and out of this seeming mess really
good, scientific advances come about. (On a side note,
if you follow the topics in scientific journal
articles  it is amusing how rival camps all but call
each other assholes in their publcations)
Unfortunately the TMO is not interersted in having its
ME research looked at because they know it is not
robust. It's a very faint whisper of pattern in a sea
of random noise that can only be seen if you look at
it in a very particular way.
   
   And yet Hagelin brags repeatedly that the ME is the most 
verified
  thing in the history of science. Only one in a gazillion odds 
that 
 it
  could be chance. P values to 25 decimal places or some such thing.
  
  Which crappy model spcifications and bad out of whack parameters 
in
  other areas can create. See my adjacent post on this. Thats why 
you
  need to look at the full range of relevant parameters and makes 
sure
  they are witnin acceptable bounds.
 
 Bear in mind that there's nobody on this forum in a
 position to defend the ME studies.  It's easy to make
 folks think you've debunked something when they aren't
 able to see a response to the debunking.


Of course, official MUM policy appears to guarantee that we won't 
have anyone in-the-know defending it, either...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Lynch - Now Crime, Abortion the DC study

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Nov 11, 2005, at 10:20 PM, sparaig wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
 
 
  --- L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  LB, your last post in this thread was truncated, so I
  couldn't include it, but I wanted to compliment you on
  your observations. As you note, science is, at its
  best, an international, public discourse. I can
  understand MIU's reluctance to hand over the raw data
  for reasons that have nothing to do with this
  discourse. All movement research is for one purpose
  only: to promote the teaching of TM/TM-Siddhis. It's
  for PR only. Those in charge, MMY, aren't interested
  in developing a coherent theory of the field effects
  of consciousness. They just want to sell TM. The MIU
  researchers won't hand over the raw data because the
  ME is very weak, almost noise, not pattern. It can
  easily be shown not to exist using alternative, and
  more traditional, statistical methods used in this
  type of research.
 
 
  You may be correct, but your evidence of this is...?
 
 Wake Up and smell the Raja's Cup. It's been in front of us all the 
time.
 
 How could we miss it?


My nose must be clogged...






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[FairfieldLife] pc recording studio home setup

2005-11-11 Thread Kenny H

Hello Group

I have a beautiful Taylor 12-string guitar (the sound transports me
when I play) and a gorgeous Martin D-18 custom guitar and I want to
lay down some multilayered tracks here at home so I can make beautiful
music with myself (smooch).

Has anyone reading here at FFLife had experience in setting up their
pc as a recording studio? I need to start really basic just so I can
lay down a rhythm track or two to practice along with and then
eventually add some lead lines. 

I'd appreciate any advice I can get about doing this.

Post to me here or beep me at kennyhassman at yahoo dot com

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[FairfieldLife] Re: pc recording studio home setup