[FairfieldLife] Re: Rtam bhara pragya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But first a little preface, before Patanjali takes the stage: Maharishi once told us an interesting thing. He said (paraphrased): It's not difficult to be established in the Self, sitting in some cave snip Michael, thanks for that - very helpful. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Margarine = Global Warming Fearmongering
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New.morning, do less thinking for yourself and just adopt my point of view on all things. Life will be much easier for you. It's finally happened...Shemp has become Maharishi... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Margarine = Global Warming Fearmongering
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: New.morning, do less thinking for yourself and just adopt my point of view on all things. Life will be much easier for you. It's finally happened...Shemp has become Maharishi... :-) That's Shemp-Ji to you, Bub. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: I just cannot see the speech as offensive. The quotation becomes offensive only, when it is taken out of the context of the whole speech. The pope is quoting a Christian Byzantine Emperor, who is trying to challenge an educated Persian by his claims and questions. I have very difficult to imagine that the Christians would feel deeply hurt and offended had the claim been made by a muslim about Christianity. It really depends who holds global power. Muslims feel under attack nowadays by Christians, so there is a strong tendency by Muslims to feel every slight, real or imagined, because it is the Christians who are in power. Those who would view this situation logically or dispassionately miss this point. There is a popular talk show host on TV in the USA, Dr. Phil McGraw, (Dr. Phil) who speaks about 'psychological sunburn'- a phenomenon whereby a person or group feel so upset about the practices of another, that even expressions that are not offensive, but that remind the upset group of abuse, are only dealt with by outbursts of violence and anger. The situation isn't helped any by those in the West who then point to this logically misplaced anger and declare the angry group as extremists and madmen. The pope was not pointing to a logically misplaced anger through choosing the quotatation, but wanting to open a discussion about the basic beliefs and structures between Islam and Christianity that differ in some essential features. It was an invitation to a dialogue. The muslims responded to it by misplaced anger and violence. Is the pope to be considered responsible for the reactions of the Muslims? Do we have to accept any kind of behavior from the Muslims just because we want to condescend them to mere poor incompetent victims with little capacity to more advanced moral reasoning than the principles of shame and revenge. Irmeli To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, where does mind stop and intellect start? Any hard criteria? The mechanics of perception and discrimination that our intellect would LIKE us to believe in goes like this: sensory input comes in from the objective world, is registered by the mind and turned into thoughts, and the intellect objectively evaluates that input, dis- criminates, and makes intelligent decisions. But the mechanics of perception and discrimination that Maharishi laid out goes like this: first, we have a belief on the level of the heart, the faint feeling level, deeper than the intellect. That means that the heart has a feeling - an attraction or repulsion - then the whole rest of the individuality (the intellect, and its servants, the mind and senses) go out and FIND evidence to support, to validate, that belief. They ig- nore evidence that doesn't support that belief - that evidence, that sen- sory experience, that knowledge, that interpretation does not register. So it turns out that we're not objective at all. The intellect has been lying, and puffing up its own importance, by pretending to be objective and in charge, when really it's just a lackey for the heart. Irmeli: Intellect is not lying, we lie if we use it to cover up something. Intellect just IS as you point out in the end of your writing. However there are huge differences in our capacity to use the intellect. It is very helpful to be all the time aware that the intellect does not reveal to me the absolute truth, but is always coloured by my deep and often subconscious beliefs. When we have a deep personal belief, then even the strongest intellect will ignore logic and even ingore direct experience that invalidates that belief, and will use all of its skill to argue for the validity of that belief, and to find evidence to support that belief. Irmeli: There are huge differences in which degree different individuals ignore logic or misuse it. Some people apply wrong logic much more readily than others. Some even claim that their wrong use of logic is their deeper intuition and therefore represents a deeper truth. People with strong intellect don't easily ignore logic in that way, but also their use of logic and intellect is coloured by their deep beliefs. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
Admitting an adult to a mental institution can only be done by someone sanctioned by the particular state with that power (i.e., a medical doctor, a psychologist, a policeman). That admitting person must present clear evidence that the person is a clear risk to their own wellbeing or the wellbeing of another. It is not an easy thing to do at all. --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting an adult committed isn't like that. You don't get to choose the reason when you admit them. The admitting doctor has to determine if the person is not able to function as a functional adult in society. The parent's perspective on her condition has nothing to do with the medical determination that would lead to her institutionalization. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: This is sad, from: http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=1444start=30sid=e52ad8b8d85061ae 3921fc1ef5ab5675 After making many millions, at one time Maharishi told Doug that he was no longer to perform two performances each night in Las Vegas. That working two shows per night (as all other L.V. celebrities did) would be too exhausting for his nervous system and interfere with his evolution. So, Doug renegotiated his contract for only one performance nightly. That was the beginning of Doug's career decline. However, Doug had plenty of money at that point. Doug and Debbie then spent their time close with Maharishi, planning and developing VedaLand... (as mentioned in a link above). Doug died a few years ago of liver cancer. Debbie donated all of Doug's millions to the TM Movement. She then joined the TM Mother Divine Program. Mother Divine is a convent-like program, but the women meditate about six hours per day. They become very soft spoken and spacey. Today, I was told that Debbie's family had her admitted to a mental institution a few years ago. deep sigh. She was once so full of life. So... why did they have her committed? Was it because she was insane or because she was giving her money away? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] invincibility update
SEPTEMBER 16: INVINCIBILITY UPDATE CONSUMER CONFIDENCE SKYROCKETS September 16, 2006 Today is the 25th day of the second month of U.S. national consciousness rising to invincibility, as indicated by the following press reportswhich reveal a stunning turnaround in the U.S. economy, a surprisingly benign hurricane season, and sustained signs of a tender peace being forged in the Middle East... The Washington Post: Consumer Confidence Skyrockets Confidence zoomed to a seven-month high as lower gasoline prices made people feel a lot better about the current economic climate and their own financial standing. TheStreet.com (a top Wall Street website): What a Bullish Week: Investors Ebullient Reuters: Stocks surge near 2006 highs; Dow nears record set before 9/11 Stocks rallied yesterday, with the Dow and the SP 500 closing near 2006 highs, and Nasdaq closing higher for the sixth consecutive sessionits longest winning streak since January. At one point, the Dow came close to its record intraday high of 11,750.28 set on January 14, 2000. Associated Press: Inflation Pressures Fall in August; Prospects Bright for Future Economic Growth Reuters: Oil weakens toward $63; Natural gas prices fall to a two-year low The New York Times: Hurricane Gordon Downgraded to Category 1 Storm; Poses No Threat to the U.S. Associated Press: Palestinian Authority predicts happy ending The Palestinian Authority believes that by forming a government of national unity in the next few days it will have done enough for Western countries to resume the flow of financial aid to their beleaguered government. A spokesman also said he expects a happy ending to the saga of kidnapped Israeli Corporal Gilad Shalit next week, which had heightened tensions in the region. Reuters: Lebanon commercial sector is reviving and war-ravaged regions will soon have enough food for the people, thus paving the way for the withdrawal of the United Nations World Food Program (WFP) from the country by the end of October. New York Times: Gains seen in nuclear talks to persuade Iran to suspend uranium enrichment This is just a taste of the excellent news coming from the United States press on the 25th day of the second month of the Invincible America Course. JAI GURU DEV APPLY NOW! http://www.InvincibleAmerica.orgwww.InvincibleAmerica.org TELEPHONE Hotlines Maharishi Vedic City/Maharishi University of Management 641-472-1230 Washington D.C. 301-231-4874 SEE PHOTOS FROM THE COURSE http://invincibleamerica.org/mvc_photos.htmlMaharishi Vedic City/ Maharishi University of Management http://invincibleamerica.org/info_washington_photos.htmlWashington D.C. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 9/17/06 9:41:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: Unfortunately, there are many who say they aren't evolved enough to handle democracy and need a Saddam Who has said that? Can you give us *just one* name and quote? Yes , A democratic Senator ot Congressman just recently said that Iraq was better off under Saddam. I think it was Jay Rockafeller. I'm pretty darned sure Offworld and Easy1 would agree. I'm asking for a name and quote from someone who says Iraqis aren't evolved enough to handle democracy. I gather you just made that part up. http://tinyurl.com/nw4wc Not only does not one of these Google hits say anything about Iraqis not being able to handle democracy because they aren't evolved enough, not one expresses the opinion that Iraqis can't handle democracy *for any reason*. The closest any of them comes is to say (as of January 2005) that they weren't prepared for an election because of a lack of security and lack of education about the issues. (He was wrong on that point, in that elections were indeed held; whether they should be considered a successful exercise in democracy is another question entirely.) All the rest, Shemp, were *disagreeing* with the proposition that Iraqis can't handle democracy. And this was obvious just from the text included in the list of hits; you didn't have to actually look at the pages to realize that. But you didn't even bother to read the hits. Now, here's what George Bush said in May 2004: There's a lot of people in the world who don't believe that people whose skin color may not be the same as ours can be free and self- govern. I reject that. I reject that strongly. I believe that people who practice the Muslim faith can self-govern. I believe that people whose skins aren't necessarily -- are a different color than white can self-govern. Asked to give examples of the white racists Bush seemed to be referring to, press secretary Scott McClellen later said Bush simply meant that some people felt those in some Middle Eastern countries were unable to live in freedom. (Note also Bush's phrase people whose skin color may not be the same as ours. By ours, presumably he meant Americans. Apparently Bush thinks people whose skin color isn't white are not really Americans.) Even leaving out evolved and skin color, the idea that some people say Iraqis aren't able to handle democracy was one of Bush's famous straw men. The right wing, of course, assumed there was a significant number of people who were making such an argument, because Bush had said so, and proceeded to denounce the idea (that's what most of the folks in your Google hits are doing). In fact, if there are *any* people making that argument, it's a very small number. It's not a significant part of the debate about Iraq. And *nobody*, to my knowledge, has argued that Iraqis aren't evolved enough to handle democracy (with the possible exception of the two people on this forum MDixon cites). The better off under Saddam idea, to which MDixon tried to backpedal, refers not to any inherent inability of Iraqis to handle democracy, but rather to the simple fact that under Saddam, Iraqis didn't have to worry about being blown up left and right by suicide bombers, or kidnapped, tortured, and murdered by death squads (over 200 in the past week). And that, of course, is a measure not of how wonderful Saddam was but of the utter mess the U.S. has managed to make of Iraq through sheer incompetence. *Even under Saddam*, in other words, the Iraqis were better off than they are now. That's called *irony*. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Admitting an adult to a mental institution can only be done by someone sanctioned by the particular state with that power (i.e., a medical doctor, a psychologist, a policeman). That admitting person must present clear evidence that the person is a clear risk to their own wellbeing or the wellbeing of another. It is not an easy thing to do at all. My completely uninformed guess is that she had become clinically depressed and suicidal (not an uncommon response to the death of a beloved spouse). I should think a close eye ought to be kept on anyone who gives away all their money--especially if it's a large amount--and goes into seclusion following a spouse's death. I'd even wonder if giving away all one's wealth might be a kind of metaphor for suicide, a pre-suicidal gesture. Henning was an extremely charismatic guy, which I suspect made it all the harder on Debbie to lose him. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Admitting an adult to a mental institution can only be done by someone sanctioned by the particular state with that power (i.e., a medical doctor, a psychologist, a policeman). That admitting person must present clear evidence that the person is a clear risk to their own wellbeing or the wellbeing of another. It is not an easy thing to do at all. My completely uninformed guess is that she had become clinically depressed and suicidal (not an uncommon response to the death of a beloved spouse). I should think a close eye ought to be kept on anyone who gives away all their money--especially if it's a large amount--and goes into seclusion following a spouse's death. I'd even wonder if giving away all one's wealth might be a kind of metaphor for suicide, a pre-suicidal gesture. Henning was an extremely charismatic guy, which I suspect made it all the harder on Debbie to lose him. It is interesting to notice how the majority of people do fine with TM and the TM-siddhis program. However there has always been a certain percentage of people in the TMO who become psychologically unstable either after starting TM or the TM-siddhis program. I personally know three who became psychotic after the siddhis program and one who became psychotic after long rounding on his TTC in Fuggi. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Admitting an adult to a mental institution can only be done by someone sanctioned by the particular state with that power (i.e., a medical doctor, a psychologist, a policeman). That admitting person must present clear evidence that the person is a clear risk to their own wellbeing or the wellbeing of another. It is not an easy thing to do at all. My completely uninformed guess is that she had become clinically depressed and suicidal (not an uncommon response to the death of a beloved spouse). I should think a close eye ought to be kept on anyone who gives away all their money--especially if it's a large amount--and goes into seclusion following a spouse's death. I'd even wonder if giving away all one's wealth might be a kind of metaphor for suicide, a pre-suicidal gesture. Henning was an extremely charismatic guy, which I suspect made it all the harder on Debbie to lose him. It is interesting to notice how the majority of people do fine with TM and the TM-siddhis program. However there has always been a certain percentage of people in the TMO who become psychologically unstable either after starting TM or the TM-siddhis program. I personally know three who became psychotic after the siddhis program and one who became psychotic after long rounding on his TTC in Fuggi. And what were those people like before they started TM? TM is a self-development technique. Naturally, it is going to attract a demographic that is, disproportionately, made up of those on the fringe; that is, unstables yearning to improve their lives. So it is no wonder that you're going to get the psychotics. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jim_flanegin wrote: The situation isn't helped any by those in the West who then point to this logically misplaced anger and declare the angry group as extremists and madmen. The pope was not pointing to a logically misplaced anger through choosing the quotatation, but wanting to open a discussion about the basic beliefs and structures between Islam and Christianity that differ in some essential features. It was an invitation to a dialogue. Agreed- I was speaking about the commentary in the West over the backlash from the Muslims to the Pope's comments. The muslims responded to it by misplaced anger and violence. Is the pope to be considered responsible for the reactions of the Muslims? Yes, in part. He holds a position of tremendous influence in the world today, and must be exceptionally careful with what he says. Do we have to accept any kind of behavior from the Muslims just because we want to condescend them to mere poor incompetent victims with little capacity to more advanced moral reasoning than the principles of shame and revenge. For now, the situation is extremely delicate. I think that what is needed yet not occurring is for the US to engage in direct dialogue with those in the middle east. Instead what we are doing is forcing our objectives on them, which is not working. Demonizing our enemies clearly no longer works, nor does pitying them. Hey, I know! Let's treat them as equal human beings! What a concept... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: Maharishi-Ji concluded today's experience meeting with the following words: Let me express my vision of today. We have hoisted the flag of about 40 countries today. This little number is just nothing. What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss. Our globe is floating in bliss in the empty space. This is the vision of today. And we confirm it more and more the thickness of bliss in which the empty space will be demonstrating its pleasure. Today we see, from a distance we see, our globe moving in empty space of bliss. From a distance the globe we see moving through the space of bliss. Let us rejoice on that. And from tomorrow we continue our effortless effort. There is no effort. The effort is taken over by the cosmic intelligence which does not feel the effort. It's automation through which it works and that automation is going to make us see from a distance the globe moving in the empty space of bliss. Great glory to Guru Dev. Jai Guru Dev. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have an Indian male, depersonalized and grandiose, age late 80's and we need to stabilize him.. Please advise what perscription we can use to stabilize this patient. He is not a danger to himself at this time, but I fear he is a danger to others. Please advise... An odd comment to make by you, since what Maharishi is saying sounds very much like what the astronauts who first walked on the moon observed and said about our planet. Were they depersonalized and grandiose too? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] this....just in from a THMD gal
Title: thisjust in from a THMD gal Today it was announced on the Invincible America Course that Dr. Howard Settle has agreed to cover the scholarships of those who need it for the Invincibility Course. This day will always be celebrated as a special turning point in history, Maharishi said. (By the way, Mother Divine is not being included in these scholarships. We are already being taken care of by our dear donors.) __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Invicible America Scholarships
Title: Invicible America Scholarships Dear Sidha Community: I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has stepped forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to fulfill Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month for an Invincible America. These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 hours of program in the Domes daily. I've done so for a month, and it has been wonderful!!! In order to monitor the current numbers accurately and forecast numbers for the future, the Invincible America course administrators need everyone to go to this website and register/apply: http://invincibleamerica.org/questionnaire Enter the required data, which shouldn't take more than a few minutes of your time. If you or anyone you know would like to become a Yogic Flyer, you can receive full scholarship support for the cost of your CIC course if you can commit to doing your program twice a day in the Golden Domes (with no stipulation on the length of program). If you are interested, you may also say so at the website. Please join us. Thank you very much. Jai Guru Dev, Dick Mays __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today it was announced on the Invincible America Course that Dr. Howard Settle has agreed to cover the scholarships of those who need it for the Invincibility Course. This day will always be celebrated as a special turning point in history, Maharishi said. Indeed. Several dozen more people have moved out of the ranks of those who support themselves and into the ranks of those who expect others to pay for their lives. That's definitely some kind of turning point. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
From a friend: rick, noticed the d.henning posts on fflife...i've been told she's staying in vedic city right now and doing the course...been out of the hospital for awhile...apparently gave a lot of money to the tmo but not all of it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
If Debbie became psychotic the very last thing she needs is a long program! She needs to place her attention 100% in the relative and not drift off into some mental laya. Exercise, activity that fully engages her mind and FOOD. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a friend: rick, noticed the d.henning posts on fflife...i've been told she's staying in vedic city right now and doing the course...been out of the hospital for awhile...apparently gave a lot of money to the tmo but not all of it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: Today it was announced on the Invincible America Course that Dr. Howard Settle has agreed to cover the scholarships of those who need it for the Invincibility Course. This day will always be celebrated as a special turning point in history, Maharishi said. Indeed. Several dozen more people have moved out of the ranks of those who support themselves and into the ranks of those who expect others to pay for their lives. That's definitely some kind of turning point. No kidding, folks, this is a deeply pathological reaction to the announcement, completely irrational. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is interesting to notice how the majority of people do fine with TM and the TM-siddhis program. However there has always been a certain percentage of people in the TMO who become psychologically unstable either after starting TM or the TM-siddhis program. I personally know three who became psychotic after the siddhis program and one who became psychotic after long rounding on his TTC in Fuggi. And what were those people like before they started TM? TM is a self-development technique. Naturally, it is going to attract a demographic that is, disproportionately, made up of those on the fringe; that is, unstables yearning to improve their lives. So it is no wonder that you're going to get the psychotics. Of course. This has always been a problem whenever a large group of unscreened people take some type of a self-development program. The majority are fine, but there are always some with a predisposition to psychosis. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
The movement is probably the most supportive environment for her socially. All the rounding may be destabilizing, but she is movement royalty and that has its advantages. The rest of the world would be a hard reality to face at this point I imagine. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a friend: rick, noticed the d.henning posts on fflife...i've been told she's staying in vedic city right now and doing the course...been out of the hospital for awhile...apparently gave a lot of money to the tmo but not all of it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.
An odd comment to make by you, since what Maharishi is saying sounds very much like what the astronauts who first walked on the moon observed and said about our planet. Were they depersonalized and grandiose too? I think the difference is that the astronauts were actually in space. For them the perception would be normal. However MMY is probably just being poetic and using flowery language for his feelings, so I was perhaps being a bit of a dick with my comment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: Maharishi-Ji concluded today's experience meeting with the following words: Let me express my vision of today. We have hoisted the flag of about 40 countries today. This little number is just nothing. What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss. Our globe is floating in bliss in the empty space. This is the vision of today. And we confirm it more and more the thickness of bliss in which the empty space will be demonstrating its pleasure. Today we see, from a distance we see, our globe moving in empty space of bliss. From a distance the globe we see moving through the space of bliss. Let us rejoice on that. And from tomorrow we continue our effortless effort. There is no effort. The effort is taken over by the cosmic intelligence which does not feel the effort. It's automation through which it works and that automation is going to make us see from a distance the globe moving in the empty space of bliss. Great glory to Guru Dev. Jai Guru Dev. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: We have an Indian male, depersonalized and grandiose, age late 80's and we need to stabilize him.. Please advise what perscription we can use to stabilize this patient. He is not a danger to himself at this time, but I fear he is a danger to others. Please advise... An odd comment to make by you, since what Maharishi is saying sounds very much like what the astronauts who first walked on the moon observed and said about our planet. Were they depersonalized and grandiose too? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
It does call MMY's bluff on the whole thing. Let's see what hitting his numbers actually can do. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today it was announced on the Invincible America Course that Dr. Howard Settle has agreed to cover the scholarships of those who need it for the Invincibility Course. This day will always be celebrated as a special turning point in history, Maharishi said. (By the way, Mother Divine is not being included in these scholarships. We are already being taken care of by our dear donors.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a friend: rick, noticed the d.henning posts on fflife...i've been told she's staying in vedic city right now and doing the course...been out of the hospital for awhile...apparently gave a lot of money to the tmo but not all of it. That's great to hear; she must have gotten good treatment where she was hospitalized. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Drought in Kansas near Brahmastan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Plains drought near the Brahmastan, where the TMO plans to build, is bad -- makes the proposed organic farming operation unlikely: That part of the state is going to be out of water in about 25 years at the current rate of consumption, said Mike Hayden, the secretary of the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks and a former Kansas governor. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/16/business/16farm.html Think yagyas. (Endless fund raising possibilities.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Margarine = Global Warming Fearmongering
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: New.morning, do less thinking for yourself and just adopt my point of view on all things. Life will be much easier for you. It's finally happened...Shemp has become Maharishi... :-) That's Shemp-Ji to you, Bub. Shemp-Ji - I like that :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss. on 9/18/06 10:58 AM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An odd comment to make by you, since what Maharishi is saying sounds very much like what the astronauts who first walked on the moon observed and said about our planet. Were they depersonalized and grandiose too? I think the difference is that the astronauts were actually in space. For them the perception would be normal. However MMY is probably just being poetic and using flowery language for his feelings, so I was perhaps being a bit of a dick with my comment. My feeling when I heard the quote was that he had recently seen a photo of the Earth from space, but was trying to impress people by giving the impression that from his cosmic perspective, he was actually seeing it. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does call MMY's bluff on the whole thing. Let's see what hitting his numbers actually can do. good point, however even if we can get these numbers, it will be a problem to measure 'success'. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: Today it was announced on the Invincible America Course that Dr. Howard Settle has agreed to cover the scholarships of those who need it for the Invincibility Course. This day will always be celebrated as a special turning point in history, Maharishi said. (By the way, Mother Divine is not being included in these scholarships. We are already being taken care of by our dear donors.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sidha Community: I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has stepped forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to fulfill Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month for an Invincible America. These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 hours of program in the Domes daily. I've done so for a month, and it has been wonderful!!! Sorry, I don't trust anyone who feels the need to add three exclamation marks to the end of his sentence. One should be sufficient...and only then used sparingly. But two or more? Hey, once you break the barrier of one, who's to say what the limit is? 5? 10? 300? And if 300 is the limit, how unattractive and unexciting must 3 be. So, sorry, Mr. Mays 3 exclamation marks didn't jingle my schnapps one iota. In order to monitor the current numbers accurately and forecast numbers for the future, the Invincible America course administrators need everyone to go to this website and register/apply: http://invincibleamerica.org/questionnaire Enter the required data, which shouldn't take more than a few minutes of your time. If you or anyone you know would like to become a Yogic Flyer, you can receive full scholarship support for the cost of your CIC course if you can commit to doing your program twice a day in the Golden Domes (with no stipulation on the length of program). If you are interested, you may also say so at the website. Please join us. Thank you very much. Jai Guru Dev, Dick Mays To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Debbie became psychotic the very last thing she needs is a long program! She needs to place her attention 100% in the relative and not drift off into some mental laya. Exercise, activity that fully engages her mind and FOOD. Yeah! Rich, starchy Movement food! --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a friend: rick, noticed the d.henning posts on fflife...i've been told she's staying in vedic city right now and doing the course...been out of the hospital for awhile...apparently gave a lot of money to the tmo but not all of it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a friend: rick, noticed the d.henning posts on fflife...i've been told she's staying in vedic city right now and doing the course...been out of the hospital for awhile...apparently gave a lot of money to the tmo but not all of it. Well, then, in the non-8-hours in the Dome and the non-8-hours she is sleeping, have Little Debbie visit us here on this forum and tell us what life is like for her. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The movement is probably the most supportive environment for her socially. All the rounding may be destabilizing, but she is movement royalty Does she get to have her weight in gold like the King did? and that has its advantages. The rest of the world would be a hard reality to face at this point I imagine. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: From a friend: rick, noticed the d.henning posts on fflife...i've been told she's staying in vedic city right now and doing the course...been out of the hospital for awhile...apparently gave a lot of money to the tmo but not all of it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: Today it was announced on the Invincible America Course that Dr. Howard Settle has agreed to cover the scholarships of those who need it for the Invincibility Course. This day will always be celebrated as a special turning point in history, Maharishi said. Indeed. Several dozen more people have moved out of the ranks of those who support themselves and into the ranks of those who expect others to pay for their lives. That's definitely some kind of turning point. So they're willing to commit to a full-time, more or less, work at improving themselves and the world (at least by their own beliefs) and you find this sad? What's your take on Buddhist monks who live off of donations, BTW? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Admitting an adult to a mental institution can only be done by someone sanctioned by the particular state with that power (i.e., a medical doctor, a psychologist, a policeman). That admitting person must present clear evidence that the person is a clear risk to their own wellbeing or the wellbeing of another. It is not an easy thing to do at all. Heh. Ms Henning do you believe in levitation? Yes. Can you levitate? Yes. Would you demonstrate? Sure [hop hop hop] Lock her up, boys... If you think a family can't get a judge to go along in the right circumstances, you're full of it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maybe he can hide out with Salman Rushdie
The Pope must die, says Muslim 18.09.06 A notorious Muslim extremist told a demonstration in London yesterday that the Pope should face execution. Anjem Choudary said those who insulted Islam would be subject to capital punishment. Should the Pope have apologised for his remarks? Vote here His remarks came during a protest outside Westminster Cathedral on a day that worldwide anger among Muslim hardliners towards Pope Benedict XVI appeared to deepen. The pontiff yesterday apologised for causing offence during a lecture last week. Quoting a medieval emperor, his words were taken to mean that he called the prophet Mohammed evil and inhuman. He insisted he was deeply sorry but his humbling words did not go far enough to silence all his critics or quell the violence and anger he has triggered. A nun was shot dead in Somalia by Islamic gunmen and churches came under attack in Palestine. Choudary's appeal for the death of Pope Benedict was the second time he has been linked with apparent incitement to murder within a year. The 39-year-old lawyer organised demonstrations against the publication of cartoons of Mohammed in February in Denmark. Protesters carried placards declaring Behead Those Who Insult Islam. Yesterday he said: The Muslims take their religion very seriously and non-Muslims must appreciate that and that must also understand that there may be serious consequences if you insult Islam and the prophet. Whoever insults the message of Mohammed is going to be subject to capital punishment. He added: I am here have a peaceful demonstration. But there may be people in Italy or other parts of the world who would carry that out. I think that warning needs to be understood by all people who want to insult Islam and want to insult the prophet of Islam. As well as placards attacking the Pope such as Pope go to Hell, his followers outside the country's principal Roman Catholic church also waved slogans aimed at offending the sentiments of Christians such as Jesus is the slave of Allah. A Scotland Yard spokesman said of his comments: We have had no complaints about this. There were around 100 people at the demonstration. It passed off peacefully and there were no arrests. Larger Islamic groups in Britain said they accepted the Pope's apology. Inayat Bunglawala of the Muslim Council of Britain said: The Vatican has moved quickly to deal with the hurt and we accept that. It was something that should never have happened - words of that nature were always likely to cause dismay - and we believe some of the Pope's advisers may have been at fault over his speech. Yesterday's sermon by the Pope was the first time a pontiff has publicly said sorry. He said he regretted Muslim reaction to his speech and stressed that the quotation did not reflect his personal opinion. Anger and violence - including attacks on seven churches in the West Bank and Gaza - have characterised one of the biggest international crises involving the Vatican in decades. The Pope appeared determined to move quickly to try to defuse the anger but the fury of many radicals was unabated last night and there were fears for his safety. Iraqi jihadists issued a video of a scimitar slicing a cross in two, intercut with images of Benedict and the burning Twin Towers. The website run in the name of the Mujahedeen Army, used by extremist groups who have claimed responsibility for attacks in Iraq, was addressed to You dog of Rome and threatened to shake your thrones and break your crosses in your home. In a reference to suicide bombing, it said: We swear to God to send you people who adore death as much as you adore life. The threat of violence against Catholics and Christians was emphasised by the murder of an Italian nun in Somalia. Sister Leonella, 66, was shot as she walked from the children's hospital where she worked to her house in Mogadishu, a city recently taken over by an Islamic government. A Vatican spokesman said he feared her death was the fruit of violence and irrationality arising from the current situation. Father Frederico Lombardi said he hoped it was an isolated event. We are worried about this wave of hatred and hope it doesn't have any grave consequences for the Church around the world, he said. The murder suggested that extremists are determined to use the Pope's embarrassment as an excuse for violence. In Turkey, state minister Mehmet Aydin said the Pope seemed to be saying he was sorry for the outrage but not necessarily for his remarks. You either have to say this, 'I'm sorry' in a proper way or not say it at all, he told reporters in Istanbul. There were fierce denunciations of the pontiff from Iran. The English-language Tehran Times called his lecture in Bavaria last week code words for a new crusade. The powerful cleric Ahmad Khatami told theological students in the holy city of Qom: The Pope should fall on his knees
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: Today it was announced on the Invincible America Course that Dr. Howard Settle has agreed to cover the scholarships of those who need it for the Invincibility Course. This day will always be celebrated as a special turning point in history, Maharishi said. Indeed. Several dozen more people have moved out of the ranks of those who support themselves and into the ranks of those who expect others to pay for their lives. That's definitely some kind of turning point. No kidding, folks, this is a deeply pathological reaction to the announcement, completely irrational. Yes, and the contrast with your rational, even-tempered, loving response really drives that home. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sidha Community: I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has stepped forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to fulfill Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month for an Invincible America. These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 hours of program in the Domes daily. I've done so for a month, and it has been wonderful!!! In order to monitor the current numbers accurately and forecast numbers for the future, the Invincible America course administrators need everyone to go to this website and register/apply: http://invincibleamerica.org/questionnaire Enter the required data, which shouldn't take more than a few minutes of your time. If you or anyone you know would like to become a Yogic Flyer, you can receive full scholarship support for the cost of your CIC course if you can commit to doing your program twice a day in the Golden Domes (with no stipulation on the length of program). If you are interested, you may also say so at the website. They're getting quite serious about this. It's possible to work full-time and do a single mornign and afternoon session at the domes as long as you have a Ru for a boss. Please join us. Thank you very much. Jai Guru Dev, Dick Mays To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Drought in Kansas near Brahmastan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: The Plains drought near the Brahmastan, where the TMO plans to build, is bad -- makes the proposed organic farming operation unlikely: That part of the state is going to be out of water in about 25 years at the current rate of consumption, said Mike Hayden, the secretary of the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks and a former Kansas governor. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/16/business/16farm.html Think yagyas. (Endless fund raising possibilities.) Heh. The community there is very old and probably doesn't use the latest agricultural practices. I'm willing to bet that if the TMO manages to set up an organic farm there, they can stretch the water to last indefintely. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Debbie became psychotic the very last thing she needs is a long program! She needs to place her attention 100% in the relative and not drift off into some mental laya. Exercise, activity that fully engages her mind and FOOD. Who said she was ever psychotic? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It does call MMY's bluff on the whole thing. Let's see what hitting his numbers actually can do. good point, however even if we can get these numbers, it will be a problem to measure 'success'. Just as a question, do you really think that even in the TM movement they'll be able to find 2000 people who have so little going for them in their lives that they'll be able to put those lives on hold for a year for a measly 500 bucks a month? I'm not convinced they'll hit the numbers. But if they do, I'm convinced of the long- term effects on the 2000 losers who do take them up on this offer. What are they going to do upon re-entering reality after a year of essentially being institutionalized? I'm thinking Debbie Henning X 2000. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting an adult committed isn't like that. You don't get to choose the reason when you admit them. The admitting doctor has to determine if the person is not able to function as a functional adult in society. The parent's perspective on her condition has nothing to do with the medical determination that would lead to her institutionalization. Heh. So you don't think that Jesus would be walking the streets today? I recall reading the grand ole dame of deprogramming, Margeret Singer, complaining about several of her patients--long-term TMers--whose depersonalization was so severe that even electroshock therapy couldn't affect it... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: This is sad, from: http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=1444start=30sid=e52ad8b8d85061ae 3921fc1ef5ab5675 After making many millions, at one time Maharishi told Doug that he was no longer to perform two performances each night in Las Vegas. That working two shows per night (as all other L.V. celebrities did) would be too exhausting for his nervous system and interfere with his evolution. So, Doug renegotiated his contract for only one performance nightly. That was the beginning of Doug's career decline. However, Doug had plenty of money at that point. Doug and Debbie then spent their time close with Maharishi, planning and developing VedaLand... (as mentioned in a link above). Doug died a few years ago of liver cancer. Debbie donated all of Doug's millions to the TM Movement. She then joined the TM Mother Divine Program. Mother Divine is a convent-like program, but the women meditate about six hours per day. They become very soft spoken and spacey. Today, I was told that Debbie's family had her admitted to a mental institution a few years ago. deep sigh. She was once so full of life. So... why did they have her committed? Was it because she was insane or because she was giving her money away? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is interesting to notice how the majority of people do fine with TM and the TM-siddhis program. However there has always been a certain percentage of people in the TMO who become psychologically unstable either after starting TM or the TM-siddhis program. I personally know three who became psychotic after the siddhis program and one who became psychotic after long rounding on his TTC in Fuggi. And what were those people like before they started TM? TM is a self-development technique. Naturally, it is going to attract a demographic that is, disproportionately, made up of those on the fringe; that is, unstables yearning to improve their lives. So it is no wonder that you're going to get the psychotics. Of course. This has always been a problem whenever a large group of unscreened people take some type of a self-development program. The majority are fine, but there are always some with a predisposition to psychosis. And with TM, even most of them do jsut fine as long as there is SOME level of supervision. E.G, getting someone to take a few minutes extra silence at the end of TM if they feel anxioius or upset, rather than jumping up and running around in circles screaming I'm having an anxiety attack!!! [speaking from personal experience BTW, and not concerning myself] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a friend: rick, noticed the d.henning posts on fflife...i've been told she's staying in vedic city right now and doing the course...been out of the hospital for awhile...apparently gave a lot of money to the tmo but not all of it. Sounds Like Judy was right: was a depressiona thing after Doug died, not her family's decision to take her out of circulation (which is how theoriginal post sounded). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/18/06 10:58 AM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An odd comment to make by you, since what Maharishi is saying sounds very much like what the astronauts who first walked on the moon observed and said about our planet. Were they depersonalized and grandiose too? I think the difference is that the astronauts were actually in space. For them the perception would be normal. However MMY is probably just being poetic and using flowery language for his feelings, so I was perhaps being a bit of a dick with my comment. My feeling when I heard the quote was that he had recently seen a photo of the Earth from space, but was trying to impress people by giving the impression that from his cosmic perspective, he was actually seeing it. ?My vision is... means he's trying to convince people that he's really up in space looking down? Is that what you're trying to say? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: Today it was announced on the Invincible America Course that Dr. Howard Settle has agreed to cover the scholarships of those who need it for the Invincibility Course. This day will always be celebrated as a special turning point in history, Maharishi said. Indeed. Several dozen more people have moved out of the ranks of those who support themselves and into the ranks of those who expect others to pay for their lives. That's definitely some kind of turning point. So they're willing to commit to a full-time, more or less, work at improving themselves and the world (at least by their own beliefs) and you find this sad? What's your take on Buddhist monks who live off of donations, BTW? I think it's a bad idea, in any context. I know that this puts me at odds with *lots* of spiritual traditions, but that *is* my considered opinion. Allowing spiritual seekers or spiritual seekers to get used to other people paying for their lives is IMO always bad for their evolution in the long run. Whereas encouraging them to support themselves is always good for their evolution in the long run. Just my opinion. If people want to round for a long period of time, they should work two or three jobs and raise the money to pay for it themselves. Such people I would respect. But I don't respect those who allow others to work so that they don't have to. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not convinced they'll hit the numbers. But if they do, I'm convinced of the long- term effects on the 2000 losers who do take them up on this offer. Make that I'm *concerned about* the long-term effects on the 2000... What are they going to do upon re-entering reality after a year of essentially being institutionalized? I'm thinking Debbie Henning X 2000. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The movement is probably the most supportive environment for her socially. All the rounding may be destabilizing, but she is movement royalty Does she get to have her weight in gold like the King did? Is she a research scientist? Tony Nader's weight in gold was a publicity gimmick. He got that much money as a research grant. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: Today it was announced on the Invincible America Course that Dr. Howard Settle has agreed to cover the scholarships of those who need it for the Invincibility Course. This day will always be celebrated as a special turning point in history, Maharishi said. Indeed. Several dozen more people have moved out of the ranks of those who support themselves and into the ranks of those who expect others to pay for their lives. That's definitely some kind of turning point. So they're willing to commit to a full-time, more or less, work at improving themselves and the world (at least by their own beliefs) and you find this sad? What's your take on Buddhist monks who live off of donations, BTW? I think it's a bad idea, in any context. I know that this puts me at odds with *lots* of spiritual traditions, but that *is* my considered opinion. Allowing spiritual teachers or spiritual seekers to get used to other people paying for their lives is IMO always bad for their evolution in the long run. Whereas encouraging them to support themselves is always good for their evolution in the long run. Just my opinion. If people want to round for a long period of time, they should work two or three jobs and raise the money to pay for it themselves. Such people I would respect. But I don't respect those who allow others to work so that they don't have to. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is interesting to notice how the majority of people do fine with TM and the TM-siddhis program. However there has always been a certain percentage of people in the TMO who become psychologically unstable either after starting TM or the TM-siddhis program. I personally know three who became psychotic after the siddhis program and one who became psychotic after long rounding on his TTC in Fuggi. And what were those people like before they started TM? TM is a self-development technique. Naturally, it is going to attract a demographic that is, disproportionately, made up of those on the fringe; that is, unstables yearning to improve their lives. So it is no wonder that you're going to get the psychotics. Of course. This has always been a problem whenever a large group of unscreened people take some type of a self-development program. The majority are fine, but there are always some with a predisposition to psychosis. And with TM, even most of them do jsut fine as long as there is SOME level of supervision. E.G, getting someone to take a few minutes extra silence at the end of TM if they feel anxioius or upset, rather than jumping up and running around in circles screaming I'm having an anxiety attack!!! [speaking from personal experience BTW, and not concerning myself] I think you hit the nail on the head here. There is no supervision of people during long rounding or courses for psychological problems. First of all, nobody is trained to recognized decompensation of an ego and a breakdown of defense mechanisms. And if this is recognized the person is sent home from the course or institutionalized and the TMO washes there hands of them. Not good stuff at all. Decompensating people need professional treatment by trained people with clinical experience. Levi's death at MIU was contributed by the incompetance of a psychologist (I hope the Iowa Board of Psychology or whomever is responsible for licensure in Iowa brought appropriate sanctions against this fool) failing to understand and take appropriate measures with a floridly psychotic student. This is not hindsight, but simple clinical experience recognizing when a fellow psychologist does not understand what they are doing and totally out of their depth. What interferes here is not only lack of clinical experience with psychotics but also the unfortunate cult agenda that believes, a priori, that no ill can come about through any TM program-period. So people in need of psychological help (another TMO forbidden topic) are not recognized to be in need of help and by the time it becomes obvious, it's almost too late. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It does call MMY's bluff on the whole thing. Let's see what hitting his numbers actually can do. good point, however even if we can get these numbers, it will be a problem to measure 'success'. Just as a question, do you really think that even in the TM movement they'll be able to find 2000 people who have so little going for them in their lives that they'll be able to put those lives on hold for a year for a measly 500 bucks a month? I'm not convinced they'll hit the numbers. But if they do, I'm concerned about the long- term effects on the 2000 losers who do take them up on this offer. What are they going to do upon re-entering reality after a year of essentially being institutionalized? I'm thinking Debbie Henning X 2000. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
Heh. So you don't think that Jesus would be walking the streets today? I think he would be running a small group and the miracles marketing hype would, sadly enough, work just as well today. His description in the Gospels, if accurate historically, reminds me of other leaders I have seen working their mojo today. I recall reading the grand ole dame of deprogramming, Margeret Singer, complaining about several of her patients--long-term TMers--whose depersonalization was so severe that even electroshock therapy couldn't affect it... I never discussed the shock thing with Margret, but did discuss her opinion that TM people spent more time in an altered state than people in other groups. This lead to more depersonalization problems and dissociative disorders for the TM people whe worked with then she found in groups that did not spend so much time in trance states. If that is true then the batch that will emerge from the domes in a year of that massive immersion program should be like a scene from an old Thriller video. Or maybe they will all float out in formation proving MMY's dramatic claims to be more than the ravings of a pitch man guru. Which do you think is more likely? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Getting an adult committed isn't like that. You don't get to choose the reason when you admit them. The admitting doctor has to determine if the person is not able to function as a functional adult in society. The parent's perspective on her condition has nothing to do with the medical determination that would lead to her institutionalization. Heh. So you don't think that Jesus would be walking the streets today? I recall reading the grand ole dame of deprogramming, Margeret Singer, complaining about several of her patients--long-term TMers--whose depersonalization was so severe that even electroshock therapy couldn't affect it... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: This is sad, from: http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=1444start=30sid=e52ad8b8d85061ae 3921fc1ef5ab5675 After making many millions, at one time Maharishi told Doug that he was no longer to perform two performances each night in Las Vegas. That working two shows per night (as all other L.V. celebrities did) would be too exhausting for his nervous system and interfere with his evolution. So, Doug renegotiated his contract for only one performance nightly. That was the beginning of Doug's career decline. However, Doug had plenty of money at that point. Doug and Debbie then spent their time close with Maharishi, planning and developing VedaLand... (as mentioned in a link above). Doug died a few years ago of liver cancer. Debbie donated all of Doug's millions to the TM Movement. She then joined the TM Mother Divine Program. Mother Divine is a convent-like program, but the women meditate about six hours per day. They become very soft spoken and spacey. Today, I was told that Debbie's family had her admitted to a mental institution a few years ago. deep sigh. She was once so full of life. So... why did they have her committed? Was it because she was insane or because she was giving her money away? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Debbie became psychotic the very last thing she needs is a long program! She needs to place her attention 100% in the relative and not drift off into some mental laya. Exercise, activity that fully engages her mind and FOOD. Who said she was ever psychotic? I can almost (almost) assure you that she has/had symptoms of psychosis, the most common psychological disorder from too much TM and TM-siddhis program. In fact all the cases of madness from TM that I know about are experiences of psychosis. Also, you only get commited for psychotic symtoms. These can accompany severe mood disorders, but I doubt Debbie had that diagnosis. What th f*ck is she doing on a long program? She's going to relapse again if someone doesn't know what they are doing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting an adult committed isn't like that. You don't get to choose the reason when you admit them. The admitting doctor has to determine if the person is not able to function as a functional adult in society. The parent's perspective on her condition has nothing to do with the medical determination that would lead to her institutionalization. Heh. So you don't think that Jesus would be walking the streets today? I recall reading the grand ole dame of deprogramming, Margeret Singer, complaining about several of her patients--long-term TMers--whose depersonalization was so severe that even electroshock therapy couldn't affect it... Ahhh, I doubt that claim about ECT. ECT will raise the dead. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: This is sad, from: http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=1444start=30sid=e52ad8b8d85061ae 3921fc1ef5ab5675 After making many millions, at one time Maharishi told Doug that he was no longer to perform two performances each night in Las Vegas. That working two shows per night (as all other L.V. celebrities did) would be too exhausting for his nervous system and interfere with his evolution. So, Doug renegotiated his contract for only one performance nightly. That was the beginning of Doug's career decline. However, Doug had plenty of money at that point. Doug and Debbie then spent their time close with Maharishi, planning and developing VedaLand... (as mentioned in a link above). Doug died a few years ago of liver cancer. Debbie donated all of Doug's millions to the TM Movement. She then joined the TM Mother Divine Program. Mother Divine is a convent-like program, but the women meditate about six hours per day. They become very soft spoken and spacey. Today, I was told that Debbie's family had her admitted to a mental institution a few years ago. deep sigh. She was once so full of life. So... why did they have her committed? Was it because she was insane or because she was giving her money away? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: If Debbie became psychotic the very last thing she needs is a long program! She needs to place her attention 100% in the relative and not drift off into some mental laya. Exercise, activity that fully engages her mind and FOOD. Who said she was ever psychotic? I can almost (almost) assure you that she has/had symptoms of psychosis, the most common psychological disorder from too much TM and TM-siddhis program. In fact all the cases of madness from TM that I know about are experiences of psychosis. Also, you only get commited for psychotic symtoms. These can accompany severe mood disorders, but I doubt Debbie had that diagnosis. What th f*ck is she doing on a long program? She's going to relapse again if someone doesn't know what they are doing. Well you had best immediately call the psychiatrists who diagnosed her, had her under her daily supervision and monitoring, and then deemed her able to go back to world and TMO stuff, and tell them, that you read an internet chat forum about Debbie and tell them, your diagnosis is TOTALY wrong and inappropriate! Distance ritam diagnoses are a wonderful thing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter larry.potter@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It does call MMY's bluff on the whole thing. Let's see what hitting his numbers actually can do. good point, however even if we can get these numbers, it will be a problem to measure 'success'. Just as a question, do you really think that even in the TM movement they'll be able to find 2000 people who have so little going for them in their lives that they'll be able to put those lives on hold for a year for a measly 500 bucks a month? I'm not convinced they'll hit the numbers. But if they do, I'm concerned about the long- term effects on the 2000 losers who do take them up on this offer. What are they going to do upon re-entering reality after a year of essentially being institutionalized? I'm thinking Debbie Henning X 2000. Welfare. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: If Debbie became psychotic the very last thing she needs is a long program! She needs to place her attention 100% in the relative and not drift off into some mental laya. Exercise, activity that fully engages her mind and FOOD. Who said she was ever psychotic? I can almost (almost) assure you that she has/had symptoms of psychosis, the most common psychological disorder from too much TM and TM-siddhis program. In fact all the cases of madness from TM that I know about are experiences of psychosis. Also, you only get commited for psychotic symtoms. These can accompany severe mood disorders, but I doubt Debbie had that diagnosis. What th f*ck is she doing on a long program? She's going to relapse again if someone doesn't know what they are doing. It'll take at least one more Levi-Butler-type episode to get the TMO to institute guidelines. Probably three or four. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] CC and sensitivity?
It's hard to believe that a CC'd weiner isn't less sensitive than a non-CC'd... That's what a doc claimed in a documentary! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It'll take at least one more Levi-Butler-type episode to get the TMO to institute guidelines. Probably three or four. Well, Barbara Wallace (Keith's first wife) shot someone -- during flying session i think -- for being too loud. Norwegian ? purusha set him self on fire. Some or someone threw them selves of FF RR tracks. A number of other cases as i recall. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter larry.potter@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It does call MMY's bluff on the whole thing. Let's see what hitting his numbers actually can do. good point, however even if we can get these numbers, it will be a problem to measure 'success'. Just as a question, do you really think that even in the TM movement they'll be able to find 2000 people who have so little going for them in their lives that they'll be able to put those lives on hold for a year for a measly 500 bucks a month? I'm not convinced they'll hit the numbers. But if they do, I'm concerned about the long- term effects on the 2000 losers who do take them up on this offer. What are they going to do upon re-entering reality after a year of essentially being institutionalized? I'm thinking Debbie Henning X 2000. Don't they have to pay back the $500 per month for room and board? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/18/06 10:58 AM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An odd comment to make by you, since what Maharishi is saying sounds very much like what the astronauts who first walked on the moon observed and said about our planet. Were they depersonalized and grandiose too? I think the difference is that the astronauts were actually in space. For them the perception would be normal. However MMY is probably just being poetic and using flowery language for his feelings, so I was perhaps being a bit of a dick with my comment. My feeling when I heard the quote was that he had recently seen a photo of the Earth from space, but was trying to impress people by giving the impression that from his cosmic perspective, he was actually seeing it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning -- keep anonymous
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning -- keep anonymous on 9/18/06 1:59 PM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Barbara Wallace (Keith's first wife) shot someone Jessamine Verrill -- during flying session i think -- for being too loud. No. in the courtyard at Pac Pal. Not for the reason you said. My wife was there. Norwegian ? purusha set him self on fire. Swedish. Sten Sjostead (sp?) Some or someone threw them selves of FF RR tracks. A student. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/18/06 10:58 AM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An odd comment to make by you, since what Maharishi is saying sounds very much like what the astronauts who first walked on the moon observed and said about our planet. Were they depersonalized and grandiose too? I think the difference is that the astronauts were actually in space. For them the perception would be normal. However MMY is probably just being poetic and using flowery language for his feelings, so I was perhaps being a bit of a dick with my comment. My feeling when I heard the quote was that he had recently seen a photo of the Earth from space, but was trying to impress people by giving the impression that from his cosmic perspective, he was actually seeing it. He is that. All. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maybe he can hide out with Salman Rushdie
FYI, the fatwa on Rushdie was lifted years ago. He is not hiding out anymore. shempmcgurk wrote: The Pope must die, says Muslim 18.09.06 A notorious Muslim extremist told a demonstration in London yesterday that the Pope should face execution. Anjem Choudary said those who insulted Islam would be subject to capital punishment. Should the Pope have apologised for his remarks? Vote here His remarks came during a protest outside Westminster Cathedral on a day that worldwide anger among Muslim hardliners towards Pope Benedict XVI appeared to deepen. The pontiff yesterday apologised for causing offence during a lecture last week. Quoting a medieval emperor, his words were taken to mean that he called the prophet Mohammed evil and inhuman. He insisted he was deeply sorry but his humbling words did not go far enough to silence all his critics or quell the violence and anger he has triggered. A nun was shot dead in Somalia by Islamic gunmen and churches came under attack in Palestine. Choudary's appeal for the death of Pope Benedict was the second time he has been linked with apparent incitement to murder within a year. The 39-year-old lawyer organised demonstrations against the publication of cartoons of Mohammed in February in Denmark. Protesters carried placards declaring Behead Those Who Insult Islam. Yesterday he said: The Muslims take their religion very seriously and non-Muslims must appreciate that and that must also understand that there may be serious consequences if you insult Islam and the prophet. Whoever insults the message of Mohammed is going to be subject to capital punishment. He added: I am here have a peaceful demonstration. But there may be people in Italy or other parts of the world who would carry that out. I think that warning needs to be understood by all people who want to insult Islam and want to insult the prophet of Islam. As well as placards attacking the Pope such as Pope go to Hell, his followers outside the country's principal Roman Catholic church also waved slogans aimed at offending the sentiments of Christians such as Jesus is the slave of Allah. A Scotland Yard spokesman said of his comments: We have had no complaints about this. There were around 100 people at the demonstration. It passed off peacefully and there were no arrests. Larger Islamic groups in Britain said they accepted the Pope's apology. Inayat Bunglawala of the Muslim Council of Britain said: The Vatican has moved quickly to deal with the hurt and we accept that. It was something that should never have happened - words of that nature were always likely to cause dismay - and we believe some of the Pope's advisers may have been at fault over his speech. Yesterday's sermon by the Pope was the first time a pontiff has publicly said sorry. He said he regretted Muslim reaction to his speech and stressed that the quotation did not reflect his personal opinion. Anger and violence - including attacks on seven churches in the West Bank and Gaza - have characterised one of the biggest international crises involving the Vatican in decades. The Pope appeared determined to move quickly to try to defuse the anger but the fury of many radicals was unabated last night and there were fears for his safety. Iraqi jihadists issued a video of a scimitar slicing a cross in two, intercut with images of Benedict and the burning Twin Towers. The website run in the name of the Mujahedeen Army, used by extremist groups who have claimed responsibility for attacks in Iraq, was addressed to You dog of Rome and threatened to shake your thrones and break your crosses in your home. In a reference to suicide bombing, it said: We swear to God to send you people who adore death as much as you adore life. The threat of violence against Catholics and Christians was emphasised by the murder of an Italian nun in Somalia. Sister Leonella, 66, was shot as she walked from the children's hospital where she worked to her house in Mogadishu, a city recently taken over by an Islamic government. A Vatican spokesman said he feared her death was the fruit of violence and irrationality arising from the current situation. Father Frederico Lombardi said he hoped it was an isolated event. We are worried about this wave of hatred and hope it doesn't have any grave consequences for the Church around the world, he said. The murder suggested that extremists are determined to use the Pope's embarrassment as an excuse for violence. In Turkey, state minister Mehmet Aydin said the Pope seemed to be saying he was sorry for the outrage but not necessarily for his remarks. You either have to say this, 'I'm sorry' in a proper way or not say it at all, he told reporters in Istanbul. There were fierce denunciations of the pontiff from Iran. The English-language Tehran Times called his lecture in Bavaria last week code words for a new crusade. The powerful cleric
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It'll take at least one more Levi-Butler-type episode to get the TMO to institute guidelines. Probably three or four. Well, Barbara Wallace (Keith's first wife) shot someone -- during flying session i think -- for being too loud. Norwegian ? purusha set him self on fire. Some or someone threw them selves of FF RR tracks. A number of other cases as i recall. In my tradition we do not get lay people shakti mantras for this very reason. It is felt that they often cannot handle them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh. So you don't think that Jesus would be walking the streets today? I think he would be running a small group and the miracles marketing hype would, sadly enough, work just as well today. His description in the Gospels, if accurate historically, reminds me of other leaders I have seen working their mojo today. I recall reading the grand ole dame of deprogramming, Margeret Singer, complaining about several of her patients--long-term TMers--whose depersonalization was so severe that even electroshock therapy couldn't affect it... I never discussed the shock thing with Margret, but did discuss her opinion that TM people spent more time in an altered state than people in other groups. This lead to more depersonalization problems and dissociative disorders for the TM people whe worked with then she found in groups that did not spend so much time in trance states. If that is true then the batch that will emerge from the domes in a year of that massive immersion program should be like a scene from an old Thriller video. Or maybe they will all float out in formation proving MMY's dramatic claims to be more than the ravings of a pitch man guru. Which do you think is more likely? Or perhaps they'll walk out and say, Oh my! in full recognition of That which has always been and laugh really hard at all the years they spent looking for something that was always right there. Then they'll ride their bicycle home, eat a sandwich, say Jai Guru Dev! and catch the next plane out of Fairfield. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Getting an adult committed isn't like that. You don't get to choose the reason when you admit them. The admitting doctor has to determine if the person is not able to function as a functional adult in society. The parent's perspective on her condition has nothing to do with the medical determination that would lead to her institutionalization. Heh. So you don't think that Jesus would be walking the streets today? I recall reading the grand ole dame of deprogramming, Margeret Singer, complaining about several of her patients--long-term TMers--whose depersonalization was so severe that even electroshock therapy couldn't affect it... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: This is sad, from: http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=1444start=30sid=e52ad8b8d85061ae 3921fc1ef5ab5675 After making many millions, at one time Maharishi told Doug that he was no longer to perform two performances each night in Las Vegas. That working two shows per night (as all other L.V. celebrities did) would be too exhausting for his nervous system and interfere with his evolution. So, Doug renegotiated his contract for only one performance nightly. That was the beginning of Doug's career decline. However, Doug had plenty of money at that point. Doug and Debbie then spent their time close with Maharishi, planning and developing VedaLand... (as mentioned in a link above). Doug died a few years ago of liver cancer. Debbie donated all of Doug's millions to the TM Movement. She then joined the TM Mother Divine Program. Mother Divine is a convent-like program, but the women meditate about six hours per day. They become very soft spoken and spacey. Today, I was told that Debbie's family had her admitted to a mental institution a few years ago. deep sigh. She was once so full of life. So... why did they have her committed? Was it because she was insane or because she was giving her money away? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: Dear Sidha Community: I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has stepped forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to fulfill Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month for an Invincible America. These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 hours of program in the Domes daily. I've done so for a month, and it has been wonderful!!! In order to monitor the current numbers accurately and forecast numbers for the future, the Invincible America course administrators need everyone to go to this website and register/apply: http://invincibleamerica.org/questionnaire Enter the required data, which shouldn't take more than a few minutes of your time. If you or anyone you know would like to become a Yogic Flyer, you can receive full scholarship support for the cost of your CIC course if you can commit to doing your program twice a day in the Golden Domes (with no stipulation on the length of program). If you are interested, you may also say so at the website. They're getting quite serious about this. It's possible to work full-time and do a single mornign and afternoon session at the domes as long as you have a Ru for a boss. Please join us. Thank you very much. Jai Guru Dev, Dick Mays All Glory to Howard ! And where are you, cynical, backward FFL's ? You are going nowhere in your stupid Maharishibashing. Only, perhaps; some darn poor karma. Many have choosen a downward spiral. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
Peter wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Debbie became psychotic the very last thing she needs is a long program! She needs to place her attention 100% in the relative and not drift off into some mental laya. Exercise, activity that fully engages her mind and FOOD. Who said she was ever psychotic? I can almost (almost) assure you that she has/had symptoms of psychosis, the most common psychological disorder from too much TM and TM-siddhis program. In fact all the cases of madness from TM that I know about are experiences of psychosis. Also, you only get commited for psychotic symtoms. These can accompany severe mood disorders, but I doubt Debbie had that diagnosis. What th f*ck is she doing on a long program? She's going to relapse again if someone doesn't know what they are doing. Peter, the ayurvedic physician I had in the Bay Area back in the 1990's (has since moved out of the area) was a psychiatrist who was very into treating psychosis from meditation especially for TM'ers and tipped me to an organization and their website for practitioners who treat these disorders. I can't remember the organization and obviously its website, do you know about it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: It'll take at least one more Levi-Butler-type episode to get the TMO to institute guidelines. Probably three or four. Well, Barbara Wallace (Keith's first wife) shot someone -- during flying session i think -- for being too loud. Norwegian ? purusha set him self on fire. Some or someone threw them selves of FF RR tracks. A number of other cases as i recall. What's the average freakout rate among the normal population? And how does it compare to the freakout rate among TMers as a whole? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: If Debbie became psychotic the very last thing she needs is a long program! She needs to place her attention 100% in the relative and not drift off into some mental laya. Exercise, activity that fully engages her mind and FOOD. Who said she was ever psychotic? I can almost (almost) assure you that she has/had symptoms of psychosis, the most common psychological disorder from too much TM and TM-siddhis program. Especially in people who have just lost their spouse, right? In fact all the cases of madness from TM that I know about are experiences of psychosis. Also, you only get commited for psychotic symtoms. Definition of Psychosis Psychosis: In the general sense, a mental illness that markedly interferes with a person's capacity to meet life's everyday demands. In a specific sense, it refers to a thought disorder in which reality testing is grossly impaired. Symptoms can include seeing, hearing, smelling, or tasting things that are not there; paranoia; and delusional thoughts. Depending on the condition underlying the psychotic symptoms, symptoms may be constant or they may come and go. Psychosis can occur as a result of brain injury or disease, and is seen particularly in schizophrenia and bipolar disordersDiagnosis is by observation and interview. http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=5110 These can accompany severe mood disorders, but I doubt Debbie had that diagnosis. You don't think she could have been clinically depressed? Would a suicide attempt be enough to have someone committed? Also, when someone is committed, as I understand it, it's because they aren't willing or able to sign themselves into the hospital. The original quote from Rick Ross's board says her parents had her admitted, not committed. That may be simply imprecise use of terminology; or it may reflect that her parents convinced (or pressured) her to sign herself in. It's possible she was clear-headed enough (if she were seriously depressed, say) to recognize that her parents were right and that she needed to be hospitalized (in which case she would not have had to have been psychotic per se). Because her parents apparently played a major role, we're assuming they went through the full-dress legal procedure and therefore that she must have been psychotic. But that's on the basis of an at least second-hand informal report, something the person says she was told (no source mentioned). The last three sentences of that post give a pretty clear idea of this person's agenda: The Inside TM-myth about Debbie's condition, 'Doug and Debbie were soul mates. They were totally connected as one soul in two bodies. When Doug died, Debbie no longer had a purpose for living' In reality, IMHO, once the guru got the bucks.. he had no further use for her. The individuality was erroded [sic] so slowly insidiously. The highly honored devotees at the top (of any cultic group) totally surrendered their sense of self to the leader.. It certainly sounds as though the Inside TM-myth is that Debbie was depressed, as I suggested. (I suspect that if she surrendered her sense of self to anybody, it was to Henning himself.) In any case, I wouldn't put it past this person to try to make it sound as though her illness were *so* bad her parents had to commit her, without actually using the term committed. This person may have no idea of the circumstances, and hence neither do we. What th f*ck is she doing on a long program? She's going to relapse again if someone doesn't know what they are doing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I recall reading the grand ole dame of deprogramming, Margeret Singer, complaining about several of her patients--long-term TMers--whose depersonalization was so severe that even electroshock therapy couldn't affect it... Ahhh, I doubt that claim about ECT. ECT will raise the dead. I've read the same thing. That's what she's quoted as saying. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: Dear Sidha Community: I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has stepped forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to fulfill Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month for an Invincible America. These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 hours of program in the Domes daily. I've done so for a month, and it has been wonderful!!! In order to monitor the current numbers accurately and forecast numbers for the future, the Invincible America course administrators need everyone to go to this website and register/apply: http://invincibleamerica.org/questionnaire Enter the required data, which shouldn't take more than a few minutes of your time. If you or anyone you know would like to become a Yogic Flyer, you can receive full scholarship support for the cost of your CIC course if you can commit to doing your program twice a day in the Golden Domes (with no stipulation on the length of program). If you are interested, you may also say so at the website. They're getting quite serious about this. It's possible to work full-time and do a single mornign and afternoon session at the domes as long as you have a Ru for a boss. Please join us. Thank you very much. Jai Guru Dev, Dick Mays All Glory to Howard ! And where are you, cynical, backward FFL's ? You are going nowhere in your stupid Maharishibashing. Only, perhaps; some darn poor karma. Many have choosen a downward spiral. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.
did you forget your comment to this post? --- nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/18/06 10:58 AM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An odd comment to make by you, since what Maharishi is saying sounds very much like what the astronauts who first walked on the moon observed and said about our planet. Were they depersonalized and grandiose too? I think the difference is that the astronauts were actually in space. For them the perception would be normal. However MMY is probably just being poetic and using flowery language for his feelings, so I was perhaps being a bit of a dick with my comment. My feeling when I heard the quote was that he had recently seen a photo of the Earth from space, but was trying to impress people by giving the impression that from his cosmic perspective, he was actually seeing it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter larry.potter@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It does call MMY's bluff on the whole thing. Let's see what hitting his numbers actually can do. good point, however even if we can get these numbers, it will be a problem to measure 'success'. Just as a question, do you really think that even in the TM movement they'll be able to find 2000 people who have so little going for them in their lives that they'll be able to put those lives on hold for a year for a measly 500 bucks a month? no, I don't; but the I can't make that assumption, some TMers are very successful in life and some are very poor, not much in the middle... I'm not convinced they'll hit the numbers. But if they do, I'm concerned about the long- term effects on the 2000 losers who do take them up on this offer. What are they going to do upon re-entering reality after a year of essentially being institutionalized? maybe so, remember we are talking about adult people here, most of them probably smart above the average. The whole thing looks to me like another TMO PR, been there done that... I'm thinking Debbie Henning X 2000. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/18/06 10:58 AM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An odd comment to make by you, since what Maharishi is saying sounds very much like what the astronauts who first walked on the moon observed and said about our planet. Were they depersonalized and grandiose too? I think the difference is that the astronauts were actually in space. For them the perception would be normal. However MMY is probably just being poetic and using flowery language for his feelings, so I was perhaps being a bit of a dick with my comment. My feeling when I heard the quote was that he had recently seen a photo of the Earth from space, but was trying to impress people by giving the impression that from his cosmic perspective, he was actually seeing it. what i see is that people are reading too much into every MMY's saying. I doubt if MMY intended to teach that other people's 'reality' is more real than their own, but many people behave in that manner. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/18/06 10:58 AM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think the difference is that the astronauts were actually in space. For them the perception would be normal. However MMY is probably just being poetic and using flowery language for his feelings, so I was perhaps being a bit of a dick with my comment. My feeling when I heard the quote was that he had recently seen a photo of the Earth from space, but was trying to impress people by giving the impression that from his cosmic perspective, he was actually seeing it. You know, Rick, if *Curtis* is willing to give the guy a bit of benefit of the doubt on this, you might want to think about whether your image of MMY is a little twisted. I once had a vision of the moon in space--*very* different quality from any picture I've ever seen-- during sutra practice. If *I* could have had such a perception, I should think MMY could have had one of the earth in space. For that matter, we've been seeing photos of the earth in space for, what, 40 years. Nobody has to actually see it to call up a clear mental image of it whenever they want. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An odd comment to make by you, since what Maharishi is saying sounds very much like what the astronauts who first walked on the moon observed and said about our planet. Were they depersonalized and grandiose too? I think the difference is that the astronauts were actually in space. For them the perception would be normal. However MMY is probably just being poetic and using flowery language for his feelings, so I was perhaps being a bit of a dick with my comment. Actually seeing the earth from space and all that shit is no big deal. I had a similar experience years ago, similar to that opening for Universal Pictures where one is traveling around the outside of the globe up close. These things are pretty commonplace if you open up that channel. It was cool and real and everything but that and five bucks will get you a cup of coffee. PS no offense taken. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Admitting an adult to a mental institution can only be done by someone sanctioned by the particular state with that power (i.e., a medical doctor, a psychologist, a policeman). That admitting person must present clear evidence that the person is a clear risk to their own wellbeing or the wellbeing of another. It is not an easy thing to do at all. *** The authorities are extremely reluctant to admit people to mental institutions because of the high cost of doing so. When I worked as a civilian for a So. Calif. police force 25 years ago, the cops would get complaints about crazy street people acting out in the neighborhood, but physicians would not usually not admit anybody unless they were clearly nuts, so the crazy guy would go back to the neighborhood and the cops would go nuts dealing with multiple calls about this crazy guy doing his crazy thing in the neighborhood. So the cops learned to tell the crazy guy when they picked him that they were going to take him to the wizard, who would do all sorts of wonderful things for him, getting the guy all excited, so that when they arrived at the hospital and met the doctor, the crazy guy would blurt out Are you the wizard?, and the doctor would say, Oh yeah, and admit the guy to the psych ward, which would get him off the streets for a while. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Drought in Kansas near Brahmastan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: The Plains drought near the Brahmastan, where the TMO plans to build, is bad -- makes the proposed organic farming operation unlikely: That part of the state is going to be out of water in about 25 years at the current rate of consumption, said Mike Hayden, the secretary of the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks and a former Kansas governor. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/16/business/16farm.html Think yagyas. (Endless fund raising possibilities.) Heh. The community there is very old and probably doesn't use the latest agricultural practices. I'm willing to bet that if the TMO manages to set up an organic farm there, they can stretch the water to last indefintely. * The problem is, Kansas is in the rain shadow of the Rockies, so crops there depend on sucking up from the Ogalalla reservoir, which will be empty in 25 years. So no matter how clever water use is, the water is still going to go away, the reason being the same as oil deposits are going to go away: the resource is being depleted faster than nature can restore it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships
Mr. Settle is in the oil exploration biz and has been a major donor before: http://www.globalcountry.org.uk/news.php?f=uk20030424a_lexington2.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sidha Community: I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has stepped forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to fulfill Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month for an Invincible America. These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 hours of program in the Domes daily. I've done so for a month, and it has been wonderful!!! In order to monitor the current numbers accurately and forecast numbers for the future, the Invincible America course administrators need everyone to go to this website and register/apply: http://invincibleamerica.org/questionnaire Enter the required data, which shouldn't take more than a few minutes of your time. If you or anyone you know would like to become a Yogic Flyer, you can receive full scholarship support for the cost of your CIC course if you can commit to doing your program twice a day in the Golden Domes (with no stipulation on the length of program). If you are interested, you may also say so at the website. Please join us. Thank you very much. Jai Guru Dev, Dick Mays To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/18/06 1:59 PM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Barbara Wallace (Keith's first wife) shot someone Jessamine Verrill -- during flying session i think -- for being too loud. No. in the courtyard at Pac Pal. Not for the reason you said. My wife was there. How badly injured were they? Did they die? Is this the mother of the Wallace kids (around 25-30 now) who were onced featured on an TMO tape with MMY (two boys)? Norwegian ? purusha set him self on fire. Swedish. Sten Sjostead (sp?) Did he die? Some or someone threw them selves of FF RR tracks. A student. What happened to him? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: Dear Sidha Community: I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has stepped forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to fulfill Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month for an Invincible America. These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 hours of program in the Domes daily. I've done so for a month, and it has been wonderful!!! In order to monitor the current numbers accurately and forecast numbers for the future, the Invincible America course administrators need everyone to go to this website and register/apply: http://invincibleamerica.org/questionnaire Enter the required data, which shouldn't take more than a few minutes of your time. If you or anyone you know would like to become a Yogic Flyer, you can receive full scholarship support for the cost of your CIC course if you can commit to doing your program twice a day in the Golden Domes (with no stipulation on the length of program). If you are interested, you may also say so at the website. They're getting quite serious about this. It's possible to work full-time and do a single mornign and afternoon session at the domes as long as you have a Ru for a boss. Please join us. Thank you very much. Jai Guru Dev, Dick Mays All Glory to Howard ! And where are you, cynical, backward FFL's ? You are going nowhere in your stupid Maharishibashing. Only, perhaps; some darn poor karma. Many have choosen a downward spiral. And you, dear Nablus, I suspect are in the same condition as Debbie Henning. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 18, 2006, at 2:55 PM, authfriend wrote: I can almost (almost) assure you that she has/had symptoms of psychosis, the most common psychological disorder from too much TM and TM-siddhis program. Especially in people who have just lost their spouse, right? Judy, just out of curiosity, where does the idea come from that clinical depression, or freaking out, or whatever you want to call it, I sure wouldn't call clinical depression freaking out. is more common amongst those who have just lost their spouses, than in general? Dr. Pete, can you comment on this? I don't believe I said it was more common, actually. That was not at all the point I was making. Try reading it again in the context of what Peter had said, see if you can figure it out. From what I've read, when one spouse does die, especially if the marriage has been healthy, the person is able to go on with their life fairly well, after a period of mourning the loss. Freaking out usually isn't part of the equation IIRC, especially after a protracted illness. No, not usually. But then, I never said it was. It's still a shock, yeah, but not one that normally shoots the person's entire wad, so to speak. No, not normally. But then, I never said it was. So I'm wondering where you get the idea from that it's normal, or even sort of normal, to wind up in an institution after dealing with a spouse's death? I never even *remotely* suggested it was normal or even sort of normal, and I haven't a clue where you got the idea that I did. Does this happen all the time where you are? You mean, in New Jersey? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
On Sep 18, 2006, at 5:25 PM, authfriend wrote: So I'm wondering where you get the idea from that it's normal, or even sort of normal, to wind up in an institution after dealing with a spouse's death? I never even *remotely* suggested it was normal or even sort of normal, and I haven't a clue where you got the idea that I did. OK, good. Then why do you keep mentioning her illness in relation to her having lost Doug, as if one almost followed naturally from the other? It doesn't. In fact, from what I've been able to gather, Debbie's condition, *if* brought forth solely or even mostly, by Doug's death, would be somewhat rare. You kept trying to connect the two as if it were far more common. That seemed to be clearly your intention. I'm glad you've learned better. :) Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi-Ji concluded today's experience meeting with the following words: Let me express my vision of today. We have hoisted the flag of about 40 countries today. This little number is just nothing. What I see is, the globe floating in empty space, in bliss. Our globe is floating in bliss in the empty space. This is the vision of today. And we confirm it more and more the thickness of bliss in which the empty space will be demonstrating its pleasure. Today we see, from a distance we see, our globe moving in empty space of bliss. From a distance the globe we see moving through the space of bliss. Let us rejoice on that. And from tomorrow we continue our effortless effort. There is no effort. The effort is taken over by the cosmic intelligence which does not feel the effort. It's automation through which it works and that automation is going to make us see from a distance the globe moving in the empty space of bliss. Great glory to Guru Dev. Jai Guru Dev. I don't see any issue with Maharishi's statement: I remember seeing a tape of him, with an astronaut, a few years ago... And the astronaut, was describing, in poetic terms; Now beautiful it was to see the whole earth, from a distance; And how it seemed to be floating in the silence of space... Maharishi commented on his response to this experience, As a cosmic experience. If you read some of the poetry of Walt Whitman, who was including in the 'Great Men Series' at M.I.U., he was included as someone who was 'Cosmic'... And cosmic people have quite a different experience of things; We all know that... We have become so materialistic, we have trouble sometimes; Comprehending anything that we cannot see, hear, feel, , taste or smell... So, whoever wishes to criticize Maharishi for his remarks; It's like 'Pearls before swine'. Many of the people of this world, and the past; Cannot conceive of an 'Invisible God'... Remember: 'Knowledge is structured in consciousness'; Limited consciousness, cannot concieve of things that have no limits... R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 18, 2006, at 2:55 PM, authfriend wrote: I can almost (almost) assure you that she has/had symptoms of psychosis, the most common psychological disorder from too much TM and TM-siddhis program. Especially in people who have just lost their spouse, right? Sal, I am guessing that Judy was being sarcastic inthe above comment about people who have just lost their spouse. Judy, just out of curiosity, where does the idea come from that clinical depression, or freaking out, or whatever you want to call it, is more common amongst those who have just lost their spouses, than in general? Dr. Pete, can you comment on this? From what I've read, when one spouse does die, especially if the marriage has been healthy, the person is able to go on with their life fairly well, after a period of mourning the loss. Freaking out usually isn't part of the equation IIRC, especially after a protracted illness. It's still a shock, yeah, but not one that normally shoots the person's entire wad, so to speak. So I'm wondering where you get the idea from that it's normal, or even sort of normal, to wind up in an institution after dealing with a spouse's death? Does this happen all the time where you are? Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
On Sep 18, 2006, at 6:09 PM, wayback71 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 18, 2006, at 2:55 PM, authfriend wrote: I can almost (almost) assure you that she has/had symptoms of psychosis, the most common psychological disorder from too much TM and TM-siddhis program. Especially in people who have just lost their spouse, right? Sal, I am guessing that Judy was being sarcastic inthe above comment about people who have just lost their spouse. Very possible, Way. But she had said the same or similar thing in other posts. Could be they were *all* sarcastic. :) Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 18, 2006, at 5:25 PM, authfriend wrote: So I'm wondering where you get the idea from that it's normal, or even sort of normal, to wind up in an institution after dealing with a spouse's death? I never even *remotely* suggested it was normal or even sort of normal, and I haven't a clue where you got the idea that I did. OK, good. OK, Judy, I sure seem to have misunderstood you completely on a whole bunch of points. Then why do you keep mentioning her illness in relation to her having lost Doug, as if one almost followed naturally from the other? I believe I've mentioned it exactly twice. It doesn't. In fact, from what I've been able to gather, Debbie's condition, *if* brought forth solely or even mostly, by Doug's death, would be somewhat rare. You kept trying to connect the two as if it were far more common. That seemed to be clearly your intention. I'm glad you've learned better. :) Let's see if you are able to learn better. I doubt it, but maybe, *just maybe*, this will help: My point in both cases had nothing whatsoever to do with how common clinical depression is or is not following the death of a spouse. We don't even know whether Debbie had clinical depression. We *do* know she became emotionally ill after Doug died. In both cases, the folks I was responding to appeared to be attributing Debbie's illness to her TM practice. My point was that before assuming someone's emotional illness was caused by their TM practice, we should ask whether there was anything *else* going on in their lives that might have been responsible. In Debbie's case, she had just gone through an extremely traumatic experience. Some people *do* fall apart after the death of a spouse; it isn't uncommon (in other words, although it isn't common, it isn't as rare as you suggest). That's why there are therapists who specialize in grief counseling, to help such people get themselves together again. If they're predisposed to depression, they may become clinically depressed. Or they could suffer from severe anxiety, or any number of other conditions. This is regardless of whether the marriage was healthy. Any major trauma--and the death of a spouse usually constitutes such a trauma--can trigger a breakdown, even in apparently psychologically healthy people. There may be a chemical component, for example, or the person may have a weak spot in their psychological makeup that had never before been assaulted. Most likely, I should think, joining Mother Divine didn't help, if only because it wouldn't have given her the opportunity to grieve, which is essential for recovering from bereavement. She may have joined MD, at least subconsciously, to avoid *having* to grieve, since it wouldn't have been encouraged. Grieving isn't a fun process. She may have found her grief so overwhelming that she thought she had to find some way not to have to confront it. And she likely wouldn't have gotten a lot of help when she began to fall apart, either, however that manifested itself. I wouldn't be *surprised* if the extended TM practice in MD also helped trigger the breakdown, but I'll bet you a buck that joining MD was a symptom of a preexisting problem that proceeded to get worse because she was trying to escape it rather than deal with it. I also suspect giving away most of her money was another symptom. But bottom line, whatever went wrong with Debbie, one would want to *rule out* that it was triggered by Doug's death before automatically attributing it to her TM practice. That was the point I was making. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect
--- Peter wrote: Has anyone had a clear experience of ritam bhara pragya? I ask because I would love to hear about your experience. I've only had one clear experience of rhitam bhara pragya (RBP) and that was before I started TM. I only knew what it was several years later on TTC when MMY mentioned it and said that you know everything --- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a flash in meditation once when I knew everything in the sense that, for an instant, everything made sense. I had but time to think, Ah!, before it passed. Is that what you mean? Peter writes: Exactly. But what happens if the mind stays there is that it functions from that level and it is quite clear that you actually do know everything. Any intent or question is immediately answered in the instant crystal clarity of understanding. Really quite amazing. All understanding is already there. Everything makes sense in a beautiful integrated pattern of perfection. But it's not flashy because its also clear that the mind always functions like this and that everyone is always functioning from the level of ritam bhara pragya. Only after the experience does it seem to be amazing from the context of waking state. Tom T: From the Alistair Shearer download of the Patanjali Sutras From Patanjali Chapter 3 verse 54: Knowledge born of the finest discrimination takes us to the farthest shore. Verse 55: And when the translucent intellect is as pure as the Self, there is Enlightenment. Self and Enlightened capitalized by Alistair Shearer. The intellect is translucent because it is contained in a collection of DNA. That DNA is the finest level of Laisha Vidya. DNA makes it translucent. If not for the DNA then he would have used the word transparent. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships
--- nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: Dear Sidha Community: I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has stepped forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to fulfill Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month for an Invincible America. These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 hours of program in the Domes daily. I've done so for a month, and it has been wonderful!!! In order to monitor the current numbers accurately and forecast numbers for the future, the Invincible America course administrators need everyone to go to this website and register/apply: http://invincibleamerica.org/questionnaire Enter the required data, which shouldn't take more than a few minutes of your time. If you or anyone you know would like to become a Yogic Flyer, you can receive full scholarship support for the cost of your CIC course if you can commit to doing your program twice a day in the Golden Domes (with no stipulation on the length of program). If you are interested, you may also say so at the website. They're getting quite serious about this. It's possible to work full-time and do a single mornign and afternoon session at the domes as long as you have a Ru for a boss. Please join us. Thank you very much. Jai Guru Dev, Dick Mays All Glory to Howard ! And where are you, cynical, backward FFL's ? You are going nowhere in your stupid Maharishibashing. Only, perhaps; some darn poor karma. Many have choosen a downward spiral. Thank you for taking on some of our bad karma. Please continue. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'In The Beginning- G*d The Father...'
So, then Abraham, heard the voice of: G*d the Father... And he had two sons, Isaac and Ishmaiel: Isaac began the Jewish tradition, And Ishmaeil provided the Arabs w/Islam. So, we have two brothers fighting- For the approval of their Father... The same Father of both, they continue to this day- For approval of the same Father. Now, there is the zero, seven, fourteen, and twenty-one cycle: Christ is zero, The Prophet Mohammed born in the 7th century; The quote of the current Pope, to the 14th century Emperor of The Holy Roman Empire, in Byzantine. But, the only difference now: Is that instead of swords, arrows, and shields; We have nuclear, biological, and chemical warfare, available. Very deadly combo. The Islamic people have subjugated the female energy and are 'over- balanced in male energy'...Like, One Big Astronomical, Lingham... The West has become too feminized, and over-balanced in the feminine side...Like, One Big tough woman Yoni... And so it goes... R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Who should die? Vote here?
Madonna? ...or...the Pope? ...or... Jerry Lewis? Photo Courtesy of Catholic News Service/Reuters __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Levi's death at MIU was contributed by the incompetance of a psychologist (I hope the Iowa Board of Psychology or whomever is responsible for licensure in Iowa brought appropriate sanctions against this fool) failing to understand and take appropriate measures with a floridly psychotic student. This is not hindsight, but simple clinical experience recognizing when a fellow psychologist does not understand what they are doing and totally out of their depth. What interferes here is not only lack of clinical experience with psychotics but also the unfortunate cult agenda that believes, a priori, that no ill can come about through any TM program-period. So people in need of psychological help (another TMO forbidden topic) are not recognized to be in need of help and by the time it becomes obvious, it's almost too late. Which psychologist are you talking about? The guy on the board of directors of MUM told them he was a danger to himself and others and needed to be removed from campus immediately and the Powers That Be (Bevan more than likely) didn't listen. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: If Debbie became psychotic the very last thing she needs is a long program! She needs to place her attention 100% in the relative and not drift off into some mental laya. Exercise, activity that fully engages her mind and FOOD. Who said she was ever psychotic? I can almost (almost) assure you that she has/had symptoms of psychosis, the most common psychological disorder from too much TM and TM-siddhis program. In fact all the cases of madness from TM that I know about are experiences of psychosis. Also, you only get commited for psychotic symtoms. These can accompany severe mood disorders, but I doubt Debbie had that diagnosis. What th f*ck is she doing on a long program? She's going to relapse again if someone doesn't know what they are doing. So you've done research into what is the most common psychological disorder that results from too much TM? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Getting an adult committed isn't like that. You don't get to choose the reason when you admit them. The admitting doctor has to determine if the person is not able to function as a functional adult in society. The parent's perspective on her condition has nothing to do with the medical determination that would lead to her institutionalization. Heh. So you don't think that Jesus would be walking the streets today? I recall reading the grand ole dame of deprogramming, Margeret Singer, complaining about several of her patients--long-term TMers--whose depersonalization was so severe that even electroshock therapy couldn't affect it... Ahhh, I doubt that claim about ECT. ECT will raise the dead. Does give a new test for CC: ECT can't affect it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh. So you don't think that Jesus would be walking the streets today? I think he would be running a small group and the miracles marketing hype would, sadly enough, work just as well today. His description in the Gospels, if accurate historically, reminds me of other leaders I have seen working their mojo today. I recall reading the grand ole dame of deprogramming, Margeret Singer, complaining about several of her patients--long-term TMers--whose depersonalization was so severe that even electroshock therapy couldn't affect it... I never discussed the shock thing with Margret, but did discuss her opinion that TM people spent more time in an altered state than people in other groups. This lead to more depersonalization problems and dissociative disorders for the TM people whe worked with then she found in groups that did not spend so much time in trance states. If that is true then the batch that will emerge from the domes in a year of that massive immersion program should be like a scene from an old Thriller video. Or maybe they will all float out in formation proving MMY's dramatic claims to be more than the ravings of a pitch man guru. Which do you think is more likely? Neiheryou nor she apparently ever considered the fact (now proveable beyond doubt by Fred's latest reesearch) that TM-induced pure consciousness is not merely an altered state of consciousness. But oh well. Keep your anti-stuff going if it makes you happy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC and sensitivity?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's hard to believe that a CC'd weiner isn't less sensitive than a non-CC'd... That's what a doc claimed in a documentary! ? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships
Dear Sidha Community: I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has stepped forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to fulfill Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month for an Invincible America. snip And where are you, cynical, backward FFL's ? You are going nowhere in your stupid Maharishibashing. Only, perhaps;some darn poor karma. Many have choosen a downward spiral. Oh high and mighty on your throne. Judge us and smote us with your thunderbolt. Destiny has turned and now the mantle of power is once again upon your shoulders. The mighty Settle has arrived bestowing boons on the deserving. Personally I think it's great. I'm happy for the group. I wouldn't mind getting in the dome and enjoying a little silence. In fact I applied and was tentatively accepted pending a small matter. Don't know if I'll actually get up there, but I'm glad to see an offer whereby they can reach their number. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: this....just in from a THMD gal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter larry.potter@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It does call MMY's bluff on the whole thing. Let's see what hitting his numbers actually can do. good point, however even if we can get these numbers, it will be a problem to measure 'success'. Just as a question, do you really think that even in the TM movement they'll be able to find 2000 people who have so little going for them in their lives that they'll be able to put those lives on hold for a year for a measly 500 bucks a month? I'm not convinced they'll hit the numbers. But if they do, I'm concerned about the long- term effects on the 2000 losers who do take them up on this offer. What are they going to do upon re-entering reality after a year of essentially being institutionalized? I'm thinking Debbie Henning X 2000. Welfare. Sabbatical. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: If Debbie became psychotic the very last thing she needs is a long program! She needs to place her attention 100% in the relative and not drift off into some mental laya. Exercise, activity that fully engages her mind and FOOD. Who said she was ever psychotic? I can almost (almost) assure you that she has/had symptoms of psychosis, the most common psychological disorder from too much TM and TM-siddhis program. In fact all the cases of madness from TM that I know about are experiences of psychosis. Also, you only get commited for psychotic symtoms. These can accompany severe mood disorders, but I doubt Debbie had that diagnosis. What th f*ck is she doing on a long program? She's going to relapse again if someone doesn't know what they are doing. It'll take at least one more Levi-Butler-type episode to get the TMO to institute guidelines. Probably three or four. One hears all these stories and yet, I was on an 8 week intesnsive (at least by today's standards) rounding course in 1984 with about 50 other people and didn't see but one person with ANYHING remotely like what everone says is commonplace. My guess is that TM teachers in the 60's and 70's were heavy into drugs before deciding to become TM teachers. and that THAT is what all the legends spring from: super-heavy unstressing of heavy dopers. Detox isn't pretty. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: It'll take at least one more Levi-Butler-type episode to get the TMO to institute guidelines. Probably three or four. Well, Barbara Wallace (Keith's first wife) shot someone -- during flying session i think -- for being too loud. Norwegian ? purusha set him self on fire. Some or someone threw them selves of FF RR tracks. A number of other cases as i recall. Nothing compared to the issues found in people who practice Kundalini techniques. How many TMers grab butcher knives and castrate themselves? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
