[FairfieldLife] Re: An Example of Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: While I usually enjoyed my programs, there was never anything flashy going on. As years passed, it even seemed that the multitude of changes I had noticed in myself when I first began meditating ... had dwindled significantly or even disappeared. I felt like I was on a plateau. Like I was walking in place. Something good was happening? Perhaps all kinds of flashy stuff means the guNa_s are trying to lure one back into overrating the relative? A prime(?) example of the klesha called abhinivesha[1], which seems to be the worst of those five klesha_s: avidyaasmitaaraagadveSaabhiniveshaaH kleSaaH. puruSaartha-shuunyaanaaM guNaanaaM pratiprasavaH kaivalyam... 1. ^ The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy The Klesha Abhinivesha, (literally abhi - to move toward, ni - near, vesha - life: To move toward liking life too much) or the fear of death is the greatest fear in existence and is the root of all other fears. It is said that even the most accomplished yoga practitioners can fall back into this state of fear.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake photo of Osama's death
Undoubtedly, the fire at the compound was from the downed helicopter. I've seen no report that the building had any fire damage. If you look closely at the fire video, for a split second, you can see two men walking out of the building. They don't look like they're dressed as Navy Seals. I don't know what that means other than you'd think the Seals would have been in complete control of all the occupants in the compound. A couple of things convinced me Navy Seals attacked Osama Bin Laden's compound. First, Sohaib Athar's Twitter of events taking place in real time at the compound. http://tinyurl.com/3lm8e3j http://tinyurl.com/3lm8e3j http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700132011/Timeline-of-coverage-in-Osa\ ma-bin-Ladens-death.html Second, the intensity of the look on the faces of Obama's national security team as they watched Navy Seals attack the compound. I wonder how much of the carnage they actually witnessed. [http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/05/03/1226048/909060-03-05-20\ 11.jpg] The mission to kill Osama Bin Laden took 40 minutes. http://tinyurl.com/3f3a9zx http://tinyurl.com/3f3a9zx The White House is debating whether to release photos of Osama. I hope they do. I want proof positive even if his brains are falling out of his head. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: snip Reuters reports that Osama bin Laden's body was taken to Afghanistan after he was killed in Pakistan and was later buried at sea. [Poof! No body, no evidence.] No evidence? You sure about that? You really think they wouldn't have kept enough of him to prove who it was? So what really happened? Did the Osama's compound burn down or not? Did anybody say it had burned down? Or did they merely say it was on fire? The two aren't necessarily equivalent. And in the videos, it appears that the fire was *in front* of the building, not inside it. C'mon, raunchy. Don't embarrass yourself. This one's a slam-dunk. Osama's sister's brain has been on ice for DNA comparison with Osama for years. Also, Obama didn't want to bomb the compound so he could show a body for evidence. It certainly appears as if they're serious about proving to the world that it truly is Osama's dead body responsible for boosting Obama's polls. Unfortunately, ever since Nixon's impeachment, I've felt like Winston Smith living in Oceania, and perhaps out of habit or just plain cynicism, I'm skeptical of anything our government says or does. It makes sense to bury Osama at sea but why so quickly? I don't buy that it's for religious reasons. After all, they kept Saddam's sons Uday and Qusay's bodies around for several days, then buried them, then exhumed them, then buried them again. So much for respect of religious observances of the dead. I agree that respect for religious observance is a little suspect. But Uday and Qusay were of nowhere near the stature of Osama among radical Islamists; there wasn't much of a risk of a widespread popular movement developing to make martyrs of them and make their graves a shrine. Plus which, the U.S. may not have had an operation in place to quickly gather incontrovertible evidence as to their identity. Such an operation was clearly a feature of the Osama action, something planned well in advance. The U.S. just wanted to get rid of Osama as quickly as we possibly could so that his corpse couldn't become an issue once we had the proof it was him. Also, why the fake photo? Is it just a red herring to make us doubt it was really Osama they killed? Surely, whoever produced the photo must have known someone would eventually prove it was a fake. According to the story, it came from a video transmitted by a TV station in Pakistan. Heaven only knows what the motive was of whoever dunnit, but TV stations are anxious enough for eyeballs they don't always care much about the authenticity of what they put on the tube. I would imagine that's even more the case in Pakistan than it is here. Could have been the station was so eager to show that Pakistan was in on the operation that they didn't check out the photo, just threw it up on the screen. Raw Story's video seems to show it was the compound on fire and not just something burning outside the building, perhaps from the helicopter that crashed. But still, the question remains, why didn't ABC report on *any* fire but simply gave us a video tour of the compound's interior? If the fire was the remains of the helicopter burning outside the compound--which is what it looks like to me--it may have been extinguished fairly quickly and not thought to be of much significance. I really don't think it makes sense to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote: categorically deny that these states of consciousness are possible for anyone doing TM.You could even opine that TM practitioners can't go beyond asmita because they indulge in laya during meditation. Almost couldn't believe my ears when I once heard 'laya' pronounced by Maharishi as the Finnish word 'läjä' (j = y in yes; ä ~= a in cat), meaning 'a heap'. The expression 'lehmän läjä' (a cow's heap) has a somewhat specialiced meaning: http://tinyurl.com/6hkztgg It's true that according to the last suutra of aSTaadhyaayii (a a [sic!]), short a-sound in Sanskrit is somewhat reduced, but the reduction is usually so small that I can't hear the qualitative difference between a and aa (long a). I gather native speakers of English might be able to hear that difference more easily, because vowel reduction is such a prominent feature of English.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Slate does what astrologers are afraid to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Too bad you've never seen a good astrology reading. Well I did get one from one of Maharishi's favorites guys who I entertained in DC when he was visiting a movement facility as well as a few from Chakrapani. They were considered good back in the day in Eastern. I studied Western Astrology myself as well has getting some readings but not from anyone at the level of those two guys. So who do you propose as a purveyor of a good one? You need to ask, based on this person's history? The good astrologer is the one who tells you the things you'd like to believe about yourself. The bad one is the one who tells you the truth. :-) So that premises that good astrologers / jyotishees have some skills to discern the truth. My premise is that good astrologers -- according to the people who believe in them -- are merely better at cold reading and at spouting generic descriptions that they know their suck...uh, I mean...clients will read into as describing themselves the way they *want* to be described. In other words, they are as good at creating descriptions that almost everyone will project themselves into as Randi was in the recently-posted video. That said, I think that there are people who have legitimate seeings or insights into other people. My suspicion is that many of these people trick them- selves into seeing on mode by performing a ritual of some kind, such as flipping tarot cards or reading tea leaves or drawing up a horoscope. I don't think that the ritual has anything to do with what they then see, other than having provided the mental trick or catalyst that gets it working. In other words, I remain completely unconvinced that the science of astrology is one, or ever has been. I also remain of the opinion that Randi could write a horoscope for anyone who believes otherwise, with- out ever having met them, that they would consider as accurate and insightful as any they ever got from an astrologer, as long as they didn't know it was written by a debunker, and thought it was written by a real astrologer. My theory is that the believers are pre-programmed to believe; they *want* to believe. So they'll perform whatever mental gymnastics necessary *to* believe. Same way they do with the other things they believe in. My corollary to the above theory is time- and money- based. The longer the believers *have* believed, and the more time and money they have invested in that belief, the more likely they will be to continue believing in the same thing -- whether that thing is astrology, Maharishi, or their own supposedly higher state of consciousness. YMMV. Unlike the astrologers and the TMO, I'm not selling anything and making my living by getting you to believe something.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: It's true that according to the last suutra of aSTaadhyaayii (a a [sic!]) Just for fun, the ten last ones of those some 4000[!] suutras of PaaNini: 8\.4\.59 vA padAntasya . 8\.4\.60 torli . 8\.4\.61 udaH sthAstambhoH pUrvasya . 8\.4\.62 jhayo ho.anyatarasyAm . 8\.4\.63 shashCho.aTi . 8\.4\.64 halo yamAM yami lopaH . 8\.4\.65 jharo jhari savarNe . 8\.4\.66 udAttAdanudAttasya svaritaH . 8\.4\.67 nodAttasvaritodayam 8\.4\.68 a a iti . (I guess the 'iti' is equivalent to 'finish'...)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: It's true that according to the last suutra of aSTaadhyaayii (a a [sic!]) Just for fun, the ten last ones of those some 4000[!] suutras of PaaNini: 8\.4\.59 vA padAntasya . 8\.4\.60 torli . 8\.4\.61 udaH sthAstambhoH pUrvasya . 8\.4\.62 jhayo ho.anyatarasyAm . 8\.4\.63 shashCho.aTi . 8\.4\.64 halo yamAM yami lopaH . 8\.4\.65 jharo jhari savarNe . 8\.4\.66 udAttAdanudAttasya svaritaH . 8\.4\.67 nodAttasvaritodayam 8\.4\.68 a a iti . (I guess the 'iti' is equivalent to 'finish'...)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: categorically deny that these states of consciousness are possible for anyone doing TM.You could even opine that TM practitioners can't go beyond asmita because they indulge in laya during meditation. Almost couldn't believe my ears when I once heard 'laya' pronounced by Maharishi as the Finnish word 'läjä' (j = y in yes; ä ~= a in cat), meaning 'a heap'. The expression 'lehmän läjä' (a cow's heap) has a somewhat specialiced meaning: Do the finnish have a version that rolls off the tongue like, 'bull-shit'? http://tinyurl.com/6hkztgg It's true that according to the last suutra of aSTaadhyaayii (a a [sic!]), short a-sound in Sanskrit is somewhat reduced, but the reduction is usually so small that I can't hear the qualitative difference between a and aa (long a). I gather native speakers of English might be able to hear that difference more easily, because vowel reduction is such a prominent feature of English.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: categorically deny that these states of consciousness are possible for anyone doing TM.You could even opine that TM practitioners can't go beyond asmita because they indulge in laya during meditation. Imagine Vaj on one extreme and Bevan Morris on the other joining hands over a joint-declaration about the positive value of meditation without a little reconciliation of position. Evidently the ultra-buddhists like Vaj out in the world are saying TM can't happen and is no good, the ultra-TM'ers are arguing that buddhism by definition is concentration in practice and hence concentration as a meditation practice is no good (second introductory prep-lecture). Could they ever get together on something larger? Almost couldn't believe my ears when I once heard 'laya' pronounced by Maharishi as the Finnish word 'läjä' (j = y in yes; ä ~= a in cat), meaning 'a heap'. The expression 'lehmän läjä' (a cow's heap) has a somewhat specialiced meaning: Do the finnish have a version that rolls off the tongue like, 'bull-shit'? http://tinyurl.com/6hkztgg It's true that according to the last suutra of aSTaadhyaayii (a a [sic!]), short a-sound in Sanskrit is somewhat reduced, but the reduction is usually so small that I can't hear the qualitative difference between a and aa (long a). I gather native speakers of English might be able to hear that difference more easily, because vowel reduction is such a prominent feature of English.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: categorically deny that these states of consciousness are possible for anyone doing TM.You could even opine that TM practitioners can't go beyond asmita because they indulge in laya during meditation. Imagine Vaj on one extreme and Bevan Morris on the other joining hands over a joint-declaration about the positive value of meditation without a little reconciliation of position. Evidently the ultra-buddhists like Vaj out in the world are saying TM can't happen and is no good, the ultra-TM'ers are arguing that buddhism by definition is concentration in practice and hence concentration as a meditation practice is no good (second introductory prep-lecture). Could they ever get together on something larger? It's funny, each given their own experience, could ultra-Buddhists and ultra-TM'ers get together to issue a joint-statement that meditation is good and that meditation not only ought to be practiced but that it should be practiced, for instance as public policy in all public schools for good reasons of neurophysiology. Almost couldn't believe my ears when I once heard 'laya' pronounced by Maharishi as the Finnish word 'läjä' (j = y in yes; ä ~= a in cat), meaning 'a heap'. The expression 'lehmän läjä' (a cow's heap) has a somewhat specialiced meaning: Do the finnish have a version that rolls off the tongue like, 'bull-shit'? http://tinyurl.com/6hkztgg It's true that according to the last suutra of aSTaadhyaayii (a a [sic!]), short a-sound in Sanskrit is somewhat reduced, but the reduction is usually so small that I can't hear the qualitative difference between a and aa (long a). I gather native speakers of English might be able to hear that difference more easily, because vowel reduction is such a prominent feature of English.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: categorically deny that these states of consciousness are possible for anyone doing TM.You could even opine that TM practitioners can't go beyond asmita because they indulge in laya during meditation. Imagine Vaj on one extreme and Bevan Morris on the other joining hands over a joint-declaration about the positive value of meditation without a little reconciliation of position. Evidently the ultra-buddhists like Vaj out in the world are saying TM can't happen and is no good, the ultra-TM'ers are arguing that buddhism by definition is concentration in practice and hence concentration as a meditation practice is no good (second TM introductory prep-lecture). Could they ever get together on something larger? It's funny, each given their own experience, could ultra-Buddhists and ultra-TM'ers get together to issue a joint-statement that meditation is good and that meditation not only ought to be practiced but that it should be practiced, for instance as public policy in all public schools for good reasons of neurophysiology. Without a fundamental fight over which meditation would be better? It's been going on for 50 years ever since Maharishi came to the West marketing meditation in the meditation market-place. Almost couldn't believe my ears when I once heard 'laya' pronounced by Maharishi as the Finnish word 'läjä' (j = y in yes; ä ~= a in cat), meaning 'a heap'. The expression 'lehmän läjä' (a cow's heap) has a somewhat specialiced meaning: Do the finnish have a version that rolls off the tongue like, 'bull-shit'? http://tinyurl.com/6hkztgg It's true that according to the last suutra of aSTaadhyaayii (a a [sic!]), short a-sound in Sanskrit is somewhat reduced, but the reduction is usually so small that I can't hear the qualitative difference between a and aa (long a). I gather native speakers of English might be able to hear that difference more easily, because vowel reduction is such a prominent feature of English.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: categorically deny that these states of consciousness are possible for anyone doing TM.You could even opine that TM practitioners can't go beyond asmita because they indulge in laya during meditation. Imagine Vaj on one extreme and Bevan Morris on the other joining hands over a joint-declaration about the positive value of meditation without a little reconciliation of position. Evidently the ultra-buddhists like Vaj out in the world are saying TM can't happen and is no good, the ultra-TM'ers are arguing that buddhism by definition is concentration in practice and hence concentration as a meditation practice is no good (second TM introductory prep-lecture). Could they ever get together on something larger? It's funny, each given their own experience, could ultra-Buddhists and ultra-TM'ers get together to issue a joint-statement that meditation is good and that meditation not only ought to be practiced but that it should be practiced, for instance as public policy in all public schools for good reasons of neurophysiology. Without a fundamental fight over which meditation would be better? It's been going on for 50 years ever since Maharishi came to the West marketing meditation in the meditation market-place. It seems that both camps actively work at denying each the other's experience. Like a spiritual warfare is going on over the hearts and minds of the meditation market. Almost couldn't believe my ears when I once heard 'laya' pronounced by Maharishi as the Finnish word 'läjä' (j = y in yes; ä ~= a in cat), meaning 'a heap'. The expression 'lehmän läjä' (a cow's heap) has a somewhat specialiced meaning: Do the finnish have a version that rolls off the tongue like, 'bull-shit'? http://tinyurl.com/6hkztgg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: categorically deny that these states of consciousness are possible for anyone doing TM.You could even opine that TM practitioners can't go beyond asmita because they indulge in laya during meditation. Imagine Vaj on one extreme and Bevan Morris on the other joining hands over a joint-declaration about the positive value of meditation without a little reconciliation of position. Evidently the ultra-buddhists like Vaj out in the world are saying TM can't happen and is no good, the ultra-TM'ers are arguing that buddhism by definition is concentration in practice and hence concentration as a meditation practice is no good (second TM introductory prep-lecture). Could they ever get together on something larger? It's funny, each given their own experience, could ultra-Buddhists and ultra-TM'ers get together to issue a joint-statement that meditation is good and that meditation not only ought to be practiced but that it should be practiced, for instance as public policy in all public schools for good reasons of neurophysiology. Without a fundamental fight over which meditation would be better? It's been going on for 50 years ever since Maharishi came to the West marketing meditation in the meditation market-place. It seems that both camps actively work at denying each the other's experience. Like a spiritual warfare is going on over the hearts and minds of the meditation market. The sniping and shelling back and forth between camps is shocking spiritually. Almost couldn't believe my ears when I once heard 'laya' pronounced by Maharishi as the Finnish word 'läjä' (j = y in yes; ä ~= a in cat), meaning 'a heap'. The expression 'lehmän läjä' (a cow's heap) has a somewhat specialiced meaning: Do the finnish have a version that rolls off the tongue like, 'bull-shit'? http://tinyurl.com/6hkztgg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: It's funny, each given their own experience, could ultra-Buddhists and ultra-TM'ers get together to issue a joint-statement that meditation is good and that meditation not only ought to be practiced but that it should be practiced, for instance as public policy in all public schools for good reasons of neurophysiology. Without a fundamental fight over which meditation would be better? It's been going on for 50 years ever since Maharishi came to the West marketing meditation in the meditation market-place. It seems that both camps actively work at denying each the other's experience. Like a spiritual warfare is going on over the hearts and minds of the meditation market. What an incredible crock of horseshit. I can honestly state that I have never encountered an organization that claims that its technique of meditation is best OTHER THAN THE TMO. The most I've ever heard any other organization say is that some of its techniques are possibly better for people of a certain disposition, whereas other techniques they teach may be better for those of a different disposition. The question of best does not come up, almost by definition, because all of these organizations teach multiple techniques. There was never any impetus for them to declare one of them best, as there was for the TMO, for the simple reason that it had nothing else to sell. Most of the organizations I've dealt with that teach meditation would be affronted even by the notion that there is such a thing as the meditation marketplace. That a phrase that only a TMer or someone from some other group *trying to make money by teaching meditation* would think up. The organi- zations I'm talking about all teach for free, so such a low-vibe concern as marketing what they teach or selling it in a marketplace would never even occur to them. As for the idea of making meditation mandatory in schools, that is also something that would never occur to these other organizations. If someone brought the idea up, they would first laugh, think- ing that you were joking, and then be affronted, because the idea of imposing meditation on anyone or mandating its practice would be anathema to them. They wouldn't understand how anyone could even think such a low-vibe idea up. It takes a Maharishi, or one of his followers, to think of something like that. But that's probably because they think in terms of a meditation marketplace. To them it doesn't matter whether individuals pay for it or a school system pays for it, just so long as they get paid.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: categorically deny that these states of consciousness are possible for anyone doing TM.You could even opine that TM practitioners can't go beyond asmita because they indulge in laya during meditation. Imagine Vaj on one extreme and Bevan Morris on the other joining hands over a joint-declaration about the positive value of meditation without a little reconciliation of position. Evidently the ultra-buddhists like Vaj out in the world are saying TM can't happen and is no good, the ultra-TM'ers are arguing that buddhism by definition is concentration in practice and hence concentration as a meditation practice is no good (second TM introductory prep-lecture). Could they ever get together on something larger? It's funny, each given their own experience, could ultra-Buddhists and ultra-TM'ers get together to issue a joint-statement that meditation is good and that meditation not only ought to be practiced but that it should be practiced, for instance as public policy in all public schools for good reasons of neurophysiology. Without a fundamental fight over which meditation would be better? It's been going on for 50 years ever since Maharishi came to the West marketing meditation in the meditation market-place. It seems that both camps actively work at denying each the other's experience. Like a spiritual warfare is going on over the hearts and minds of the meditation market. The sniping and shelling back and forth between camps is shocking spiritually. Could they at least talk together? May be the Centering Prayer people could mediate between the meditation radicals on either side. Or another spiritual group that's got nothing to sell but who are experienced in meditation and in the arbitration of conflict. Like the American Friends Service Committee (Quakers). Almost couldn't believe my ears when I once heard 'laya' pronounced by Maharishi as the Finnish word 'läjä' (j = y in yes; ä ~= a in cat), meaning 'a heap'. The expression 'lehmän läjä' (a cow's heap) has a somewhat specialiced meaning: Do the finnish have a version that rolls off the tongue like, 'bull-shit'? http://tinyurl.com/6hkztgg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
On May 3, 2011, at 7:23 AM, turquoiseb wrote: It seems that both camps actively work at denying each the other's experience. Like a spiritual warfare is going on over the hearts and minds of the meditation market. What an incredible crock of horseshit. I can honestly state that I have never encountered an organization that claims that its technique of meditation is best OTHER THAN THE TMO. Or one that claims to produce higher states of consciousness, but all they produce is junk science to back these alleged claims. Fortunately for them, you can fool the hypnotized a lot of the time; for we know the hypnotized never lie. The most I've ever heard any other organization say is that some of its techniques are possibly better for people of a certain disposition, whereas other techniques they teach may be better for those of a different disposition. The question of best does not come up, almost by definition, because all of these organizations teach multiple techniques. There was never any impetus for them to declare one of them best, as there was for the TMO, for the simple reason that it had nothing else to sell. The most balanced approach I know, and this is true of Hindu meditation and Buddhist meditation and very likely other forms of meditation as well: it's about tailoring it to the persons unique disposition, not the student toeing the line to a monolithic technique. This is interesting because a huge selling point for me was that TM teachers were portrayed as mantric experts who via the supreme wisdom of Guru Dev and the Maharishi gave mantra diksha based on the unique qualities of the individuals' nervous system! In other words, they were customizing the mantra to the person. How true to that turn out to be?: not very. That's NOT to say there can not be general techniques relevant for the masses. There always has been such generalized methods. But tailor-made and off the rack will always vary in their relative efficacy. Most of the organizations I've dealt with that teach meditation would be affronted even by the notion that there is such a thing as the meditation marketplace. That a phrase that only a TMer or someone from some other group *trying to make money by teaching meditation* would think up. The organi- zations I'm talking about all teach for free, so such a low-vibe concern as marketing what they teach or selling it in a marketplace would never even occur to them. As for the idea of making meditation mandatory in schools, that is also something that would never occur to these other organizations. If someone brought the idea up, they would first laugh, think- ing that you were joking, and then be affronted, because the idea of imposing meditation on anyone or mandating its practice would be anathema to them. They wouldn't understand how anyone could even think such a low-vibe idea up. It takes a Maharishi, or one of his followers, to think of something like that. But that's probably because they think in terms of a meditation marketplace. To them it doesn't matter whether individuals pay for it or a school system pays for it, just so long as they get paid. Like I've said many times, the TMO are probably the premier practitioners of spiritual materialism for our era.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: categorically deny that these states of consciousness are possible for anyone doing TM.You could even opine that TM practitioners can't go beyond asmita because they indulge in laya during meditation. Imagine Vaj on one extreme and Bevan Morris on the other joining hands over a joint-declaration about the positive value of meditation without a little reconciliation of position. Evidently the ultra-buddhists like Vaj out in the world are saying TM can't happen and is no good, the ultra-TM'ers are arguing that buddhism by definition is concentration in practice and hence concentration as a meditation practice is no good (second TM introductory prep-lecture). Could they ever get together on something larger? It's funny, each given their own experience, could ultra-Buddhists and ultra-TM'ers get together to issue a joint-statement that meditation is good and that meditation not only ought to be practiced but that it should be practiced, for instance as public policy in all public schools for good reasons of neurophysiology. Without a fundamental fight over which meditation would be better? It's been going on for 50 years ever since Maharishi came to the West marketing meditation in the meditation market-place. It seems that both camps actively work at denying each the other's experience. Like a spiritual warfare is going on over the hearts and minds of the meditation market. The sniping and shelling back and forth between camps is shocking spiritually. Could they at least talk together? May be the Centering Prayer people could mediate between the meditation radicals on either side. Or another spiritual group that's got nothing to sell but who are experienced in meditation and in the arbitration of conflict. Like the American Friends Service Committee (Quakers). I don't think the hot-heads are ready to get together on anything from either camp. The essential meditation doctrine of both camps would not allow for it. Though possibly it could come together dispassionately with the scientists of the camps. Dr. Daniel Siegel (UCLA) on the one hand and Dr. John Hagelin (MUM) on the other are peers of each other in either extreme. They are the equivalent in so many ways of each other in either camp. Both are on Youtube, have written books, published scientific research, are spokespeople, extremely smart, highly educated, extremely spiritual. They are nearly twins. They should meet in between. A peace should be found. Take a look at Daniel Siegel on a TED talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu7wEr8AnHw Almost couldn't believe my ears when I once heard 'laya' pronounced by Maharishi as the Finnish word 'läjä' (j = y in yes; ä ~= a in cat), meaning 'a heap'. The expression 'lehmän läjä' (a cow's heap) has a somewhat specialiced meaning: Do the finnish have a version that rolls off the tongue like, 'bull-shit'? http://tinyurl.com/6hkztgg
[FairfieldLife] An early Emmy Nomination prediction
Whatever else happens in the world of American television between now and the Emmy Awards nominations, I think I can predict that several people will be among the nominees: Tom Conroy François Séguin Gemma Jackson Joan Bergin Gabriella Pescucci Michele Clapton The former group are the Production Designers for Camelot, The Borgias, and Game Of Thrones. The second group are the Costume Designers for the same three series. There will almost certainly be writing, directing, and acting nominations from each of the three series as well, but the thing that no one will be able to ignore is how incredibly *gorgeous* these series are. Each of them is a feast for the eyes the likes of which we haven't seen on TV for quite some time. Fortunately, for all three, the writing, acting, and direction make them a feast for the mind and senses as well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: categorically deny that these states of consciousness are possible for anyone doing TM.You could even opine that TM practitioners can't go beyond asmita because they indulge in laya during meditation. Imagine Vaj on one extreme and Bevan Morris on the other joining hands over a joint-declaration about the positive value of meditation without a little reconciliation of position. Evidently the ultra-buddhists like Vaj out in the world are saying TM can't happen and is no good, the ultra-TM'ers are arguing that buddhism by definition is concentration in practice and hence concentration as a meditation practice is no good (second TM introductory prep-lecture). Could they ever get together on something larger? It's funny, each given their own experience, could ultra-Buddhists and ultra-TM'ers get together to issue a joint-statement that meditation is good and that meditation not only ought to be practiced but that it should be practiced, for instance as public policy in all public schools for good reasons of neurophysiology. Without a fundamental fight over which meditation would be better? It's been going on for 50 years ever since Maharishi came to the West marketing meditation in the meditation market-place. It seems that both camps actively work at denying each the other's experience. Like a spiritual warfare is going on over the hearts and minds of the meditation market. The sniping and shelling back and forth between camps is shocking spiritually. Could they at least talk together? May be the Centering Prayer people could mediate between the meditation radicals on either side. Or another spiritual group that's got nothing to sell but who are experienced in meditation and in the arbitration of conflict. Like the American Friends Service Committee (Quakers). I don't think the hot-heads are ready to get together on anything from either camp. The essential meditation doctrine of both camps would not allow for it. Om Sweet Jesus, could we not get the antagonists at least to stop shooting at each other? Agree to a ceasefire? Though possibly it could come together dispassionately with the scientists of the camps. Dr. Daniel Siegel (UCLA) on the one hand and Dr. John Hagelin (MUM) on the other are peers of each other in either extreme. They are the equivalent in so many ways of each other in either camp. Both are on Youtube, have written books, published scientific research, are spokespeople, extremely smart, highly educated, extremely spiritual. They are nearly twins. They should meet in between. A peace should be found. Take a look at Daniel Siegel on a TED talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu7wEr8AnHw Almost couldn't believe my ears when I once heard 'laya' pronounced by Maharishi as the Finnish word 'läjä' (j = y in yes; ä ~= a in cat), meaning 'a heap'. The expression 'lehmän läjä' (a cow's heap) has a somewhat specialiced meaning: Do the finnish have a version that rolls off the tongue like, 'bull-shit'? http://tinyurl.com/6hkztgg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake photo of Osama's death
Bhairitu: What I'm seeing on FFL is the same stupid group think behavior I saw in my local community the weekend after 9-11. Ya all got your 'merican flags and wavin' them? I remember they were selling American flags right outside the Safeway and teenage boys struttin' around like macho men (the Army wasn't too excited about that)... So, you're thinking that 9/11 was an inside job, and Obama was born in Kenya, and that Osama bin Laden is still alive, but we are in the FFL 'stupid group' because we accept evidence from President Obama and Secretary Clinton that bin Laden is dead? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
Vaj: What I'm saying is that while there exists extraordinary evidence of extraordinary states of consciousness in the scientific record (of various yogis, etc.), currently no such extraordinary record exists for any TMers... Can you cite a double-blind, peer-reviewed, scientific study that proves that there is a physiological correlation to an extraordinary state of consciousness, other than sleep, dreaming, and the waking state? Thanks. So all ye braggarts; wire up or fess up... Please post the link to the study here:
[FairfieldLife] Changing the Osama Narrative
When the story of Osama's death first broke, one of the things that help identify Osama's location was the fact that the occupants of the compound always burned their trash and had no internet or telephone connections. Curiously, the media now reports the raid on the compound yielded a treasure trove of computers and hard drives stored with loads of information. So Osama had all this computer equipment and no internet access, what's up with that? http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54151.html The White House also changed its story that portrayed Osama as a coward resisting capture: The White House backed away Monday evening from key details in its narrative about the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, including claims by senior U.S. officials that the Al Qaeda leader had a weapon and may have fired it during a gun battle with U.S. forces. Officials also retreated from claims that one of bin Laden's wives was killed in the raid and that bin Laden was using her as a human shield before she was shot by U.S. forces... The White House didn't offer a reason for any of the changes. However, Brennan noted during his televised briefing that his information came from reports from the scene as well as live video feeds of the raid. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54162.html I had wondered how much of the bloody mess Obama's national security team had witnessed. Apparently, they saw the entire 38 minutes of the take down. Now that I know they have a live video feed, I'd like to see the video as well as photos of Osama's death. At the very least the White house should show the video and photos to members of Congress. Hillary's comments from the State Department on Osama's death: http://www.reuters.com/article/video/idUSTRE74142920110502?videoId=205789614
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake photo of Osama's death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Undoubtedly, the fire at the compound was from the downed helicopter. I've seen no report that the building had any fire damage. If you look closely at the fire video, for a split second, you can see two men walking out of the building. They don't look like they're dressed as Navy Seals. I don't know what that means other than you'd think the Seals would have been in complete control of all the occupants in the compound. This video was most likely shot after they'd left. The last thing they did was blow up the helicopter. Those two people could have been Pakistani civilians. Also, they left behind the women and children for the Pakistanis to deal with; the two men could have been part of a group that went into the compound to take them out and get the injured ones medical attention. Plus which, it still isn't clear to me that the video was shot from inside the compound. If you're worried about how the two men got in, what about the cameraperson shooting the video? In any case, there are now photos showing that the helicopter came down right on top of a wall and broke apart, with the tail inside and the rest outside the compound, so the fire was probably outside the wall. A couple of things convinced me Navy Seals attacked Osama Bin Laden's compound. First, Sohaib Athar's Twitter of events taking place in real time at the compound. http://tinyurl.com/3lm8e3j http://tinyurl.com/3lm8e3j http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700132011/Timeline-of-coverage-in-Osama-bin-Ladens-death.html Second, the intensity of the look on the faces of Obama's national security team as they watched Navy Seals attack the compound. I wonder how much of the carnage they actually witnessed. The NYTimes story this morning says they were watching Panetta, who was at a different location. Apparently he was able to watch what was going on to some degree, or was getting updates via phone from the attack team, and was relaying what was happening to the folks in the Situation Room. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/world/asia/03intel.html?hp snip The White House is debating whether to release photos of Osama. I hope they do. I want proof positive even if his brains are falling out of his head. Well, a photo these days may not be proof positive of anything. The gummint must surely have access to experts who could produce a better fake photo than the one that was circulating earlier. Anyway, the government is saying they're afraid if they do release photos, they'll be used for recruitment purposes by the terrorists. I think they may be waiting to see if one of the Al Qaeda leaders confirms that bin Laden is dead, in which case they wouldn't need to put the photos out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: It's funny, each given their own experience, could ultra-Buddhists and ultra-TM'ers get together to issue a joint-statement that meditation is good and that meditation not only ought to be practiced but that it should be practiced, for instance as public policy in all public schools for good reasons of neurophysiology. Without a fundamental fight over which meditation would be better? It's been going on for 50 years ever since Maharishi came to the West marketing meditation in the meditation market-place. It seems that both camps actively work at denying each the other's experience. Like a spiritual warfare is going on over the hearts and minds of the meditation market. What an incredible crock of horseshit. We see it on FFL all the time. Don't you read Vaj's posts? I can honestly state that I have never encountered an organization that claims that its technique of meditation is best OTHER THAN THE TMO. The most I've ever heard any other organization say is that some of its techniques are possibly better for people of a certain disposition, whereas other techniques they teach may be better for those of a different disposition. The question of best does not come up, almost by definition, because all of these organizations teach multiple techniques. There was never any impetus for them to declare one of them best, as there was for the TMO, for the simple reason that it had nothing else to sell. And therefore, what these other groups offer is better, right? You really, really should think about making it a habit to read what you write before you post it, so you don't keep stepping on your own points. Most of the organizations I've dealt with that teach meditation would be affronted even by the notion that there is such a thing as the meditation marketplace. That a phrase that only a TMer or someone from some other group *trying to make money by teaching meditation* would think up. Actually the phrase is in common use among people who observe and study the meditation scene. It doesn't necessarily refer to money; it's metaphorical in that sense. The organi- zations I'm talking about all teach for free, so such a low-vibe concern as marketing what they teach or selling it in a marketplace would never even occur to them. Even organizations that teach for free market their products. As for the idea of making meditation mandatory in schools, that is also something that would never occur to these other organizations. It hasn't occurred to the TMO either, of course. As you know, because we've discussed it here, Lynch's quiet time program gives students the option of doing TM or some other quiet activity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
So dude, let me get this right: In your non-spiritual life, you work for a company that produces tools for organizations to sell their products and services. But in your spiritual life, such things are verbotten. In your non-spiritual life, you pay your bills and earn your livelihood by making it easier for organizations to make a buck by selling things to others. In your spiritual life, that's low vibe. The only conclusion left to us is that you are a hypocrite. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: It's funny, each given their own experience, could ultra-Buddhists and ultra-TM'ers get together to issue a joint-statement that meditation is good and that meditation not only ought to be practiced but that it should be practiced, for instance as public policy in all public schools for good reasons of neurophysiology. Without a fundamental fight over which meditation would be better? It's been going on for 50 years ever since Maharishi came to the West marketing meditation in the meditation market-place. It seems that both camps actively work at denying each the other's experience. Like a spiritual warfare is going on over the hearts and minds of the meditation market. What an incredible crock of horseshit. I can honestly state that I have never encountered an organization that claims that its technique of meditation is best OTHER THAN THE TMO. The most I've ever heard any other organization say is that some of its techniques are possibly better for people of a certain disposition, whereas other techniques they teach may be better for those of a different disposition. The question of best does not come up, almost by definition, because all of these organizations teach multiple techniques. There was never any impetus for them to declare one of them best, as there was for the TMO, for the simple reason that it had nothing else to sell. Most of the organizations I've dealt with that teach meditation would be affronted even by the notion that there is such a thing as the meditation marketplace. That a phrase that only a TMer or someone from some other group *trying to make money by teaching meditation* would think up. The organi- zations I'm talking about all teach for free, so such a low-vibe concern as marketing what they teach or selling it in a marketplace would never even occur to them. As for the idea of making meditation mandatory in schools, that is also something that would never occur to these other organizations. If someone brought the idea up, they would first laugh, think- ing that you were joking, and then be affronted, because the idea of imposing meditation on anyone or mandating its practice would be anathema to them. They wouldn't understand how anyone could even think such a low-vibe idea up. It takes a Maharishi, or one of his followers, to think of something like that. But that's probably because they think in terms of a meditation marketplace. To them it doesn't matter whether individuals pay for it or a school system pays for it, just so long as they get paid.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Example of Cosmic Consciousness
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turquoiseb Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 2:36 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Example of Cosmic Consciousness My friend's response to Barry's comments: How could one possibly describe that or know that? In my case I have definitely become more even,more patient, more tender and loving towards all things. Those things seem to come naturally with this experience over time. So, relationships, especially marriage, have improved from my perspective, at least. But I have not run out and joined Greenpeace or the Sierra Club. I am not an activist, in that regard, never have been. People, I think, pretty much remain who they are, keep their usual proclivities. Or, if they change in any way, it is a very gradual unnoticeable thing. A kind of softening takes place. But I have heard others say if anything they have become more outrageous. So who knows? As the Gita tells us, there are no outward manifestations of this. It seems to me the person making this comment may be missing the point here. It is entirely likely to me that one does more good in the world by virtue of who they are than what they do. I can't prove that, but that's what I've always believed. I would love to hear in what ways this person's experience has changed them in the direction of doing good in the world. Maybe they could provide some examples of what they mean. Barry had said: I agree that this is a nicely done, low-key rap, and I commend whoever wrote it for that. I might have some writerly quibbles about some of the language, like CC arrived and had come, because my similar exper- iences, although more fleeting, had no sense whatsoever of there being anything new, anything that had arrived or come. It was more like finally noticing what had always already been present, every minute of my life. What I'd be interested in, if this person ever feels like writing it up, is whether he/she can pinpoint any ways in which this subjective realization has been of benefit to anyone else. That's the missing component of pretty much all of the raps about enlightenment I run across. It's almost as if the process of self realization can be described more accurately as selfish realization in most of them. All that seems to matter is the person's subjective sense of their own subjective state of consciousness. We never hear of ways in which this subjective state proves itself of value to anyone else in the objective world. I'd like to hear more about that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Cosmic consciousness arrived, softly and unexpectedly, as I exited the Dome one morning in November 2008. I was 64 years old. I had been doing Transcendental Meditation since 1973 and the TM-Sidhi Program since 1978. How did I know cosmic consciousness had come? All I can say is it was clear that pure consciousness (pure being) was with me as I exited the Dome. It was clear that soft transcendence, that feeling of unboundedness I had become accustomed to in meditation all those years ... was now with me in activity. Everything was different C yet the same. This new element was with me as if dogging my footsteps--this new soft sweetness, this new purity, this new feeling of lightness, this new utter clarity. ...
Re: [FairfieldLife] An early Emmy Nomination prediction
On 05/03/2011 04:47 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Whatever else happens in the world of American television between now and the Emmy Awards nominations, I think I can predict that several people will be among the nominees: Tom Conroy François Séguin Gemma Jackson Joan Bergin Gabriella Pescucci Michele Clapton The former group are the Production Designers for Camelot, The Borgias, and Game Of Thrones. The second group are the Costume Designers for the same three series. There will almost certainly be writing, directing, and acting nominations from each of the three series as well, but the thing that no one will be able to ignore is how incredibly *gorgeous* these series are. Each of them is a feast for the eyes the likes of which we haven't seen on TV for quite some time. Fortunately, for all three, the writing, acting, and direction make them a feast for the mind and senses as well. You're far more intrigued with medieval stories than I am. I fell asleep on the premiere. I watched Tudors for a season or two and lost interest. But the I thought Brotherhood, a series about two brothers, one a Rode Island state legislator and the other a gangster very worth the watch but you didn't. Nothing much else peaking my interest nowadays and probably not getting HBO until their True Blood promo, a series many found disappointing last year. Over the weekend I caught up on The Expendables a Sly Stallone piece of trash that may well have put the final nail in the coffin of his film career. Not sure who he thought he was making the movie for, dumb bikers? I would even give bikers more credit than that. 1 1/2 stars. At the other end of the scale is Unstoppable which I caught up with last night. But then the Scott brothers are two very great story tellers and this Tony Scott film did not disappoint. It's a film about a runaway train which does more than just tell a story about such an incident based on a true event. How many of us know how trains work? A good part of the story deals with how modern trains work and what sidings are etc. And all without being geeky for a moment. I would give this one 5 stars just to show that Hollywood doesn't have to produce bad films. But then the Scott brothers have such terrific track records studio CEOs and bean counters probably keep their distance.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Changing the Osama Narrative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: When the story of Osama's death first broke, one of the things that help identify Osama's location was the fact that the occupants of the compound always burned their trash and had no internet or telephone connections. Curiously, the media now reports the raid on the compound yielded a treasure trove of computers and hard drives stored with loads of information. So Osama had all this computer equipment and no internet access, what's up with that? What's curious about it? Computers without an Internet connection can be used for many things. They also found lots of thumb drives, which could have been brought in from the outside with new information to be fed to the computers. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54151.html The White House also changed its story that portrayed Osama as a coward resisting capture: That initial accounts had errors and inconsistencies is to be expected; it would be astonishing if they didn't, especially with regard to a chaotic event like this one. I'm not sure why you're portraying the correction of errors as suspicious. snip [quoting Politico:] The White House didn't offer a reason for any of the changes. What reason does there have to be other than that the first accounts got some things wrong?? However, Brennan noted during his televised briefing that his information came from reports from the scene as well as live video feeds of the raid. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54162.html I had wondered how much of the bloody mess Obama's national security team had witnessed. Apparently, they saw the entire 38 minutes of the take down. Not according to the NYTimes story this morning, as I noted in my earlier post, at least not the folks in the Situation Room. Panetta apparently had access to the live video feed and relayed what he was seeing to the SitRoom people from where he was. They may all have seen it *now*, but not while it was unfolding. Nobody to my knowledge has said where the camera was located. One camera couldn't have covered everything that was going on in the compound, and I seriously doubt they had multiple camerapeople running around shooting everything that was happening. Now that I know they have a live video feed, I'd like to see the video as well as photos of Osama's death. At the very least the White house should show the video and photos to members of Congress. So what do *you* suspect went on that you need to see the video before you'll be convinced otherwise?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake photo of Osama's death
On 05/03/2011 07:21 AM, WillyTex wrote: Bhairitu: What I'm seeing on FFL is the same stupid group think behavior I saw in my local community the weekend after 9-11. Ya all got your 'merican flags and wavin' them? I remember they were selling American flags right outside the Safeway and teenage boys struttin' around like macho men (the Army wasn't too excited about that)... So, you're thinking that 9/11 was an inside job, and Obama was born in Kenya, and that Osama bin Laden is still alive, but we are in the FFL 'stupid group' because we accept evidence from President Obama and Secretary Clinton that bin Laden is dead? Go figure. Your figuring is wrong. I never said Obama was born in Kenya. Always said it was a non-issue and even pointed out that even a conservative member of the Reagan administration, Paul Craig Roberts, thought it was a non-issue. To accept out of the starting gate evidence is a sign of non-critical thinking. And no I don't except the official 9-11 story which is also a conspiracy theory. Time will tell (if at all possible) what the real story is from this weekend's event.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Example of Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: On Behalf Of turquoiseb My friend's response to Barry's comments: How could one possibly describe that or know that? In my case I have definitely become more even,more patient, more tender and loving towards all things. Those things seem to come naturally with this experience over time. So, relationships, especially marriage, have improved from my perspective, at least. But I have not run out and joined Greenpeace or the Sierra Club. I am not an activist, in that regard, never have been. People, I think, pretty much remain who they are, keep their usual proclivities. Or, if they change in any way, it is a very gradual unnoticeable thing. A kind of softening takes place. But I have heard others say if anything they have become more outrageous. So who knows? As the Gita tells us, there are no outward manifestations of this. It seems to me the person making this comment may be missing the point here. It is entirely likely to me that one does more good in the world by virtue of who they are than what they do. I can't prove that, but that's what I've always believed. I would love to hear in what ways this person's experience has changed them in the direction of doing good in the world. Maybe they could provide some examples of what they mean. My thanks to Rick's friend for his comments. My point was not to take on his experience per se, but the general language of self discovery, which I cannot help but notice sounds a lot like selfish discovery. The supposed benefits of realizing enlightenment are almost always presented in terms of I and me. The person who is claiming enlightenment is saying things about how much their subjective lives may have changed after this transition. I'm just looking for someone to put things in terms that might hint at a bit of care for others. There are certainly attempts at this in some dogmas, which tend to rely heavily on Woo Woo. The enlightened being is supposed to be a benefit to society just by being. People benefit from his/her vibes just by being around them. These types of raps even go as far as to claim that violence and other low mindstates aren't even *possible* in the vicinity of an enlightened being. I'm thinking that Tat Wala Baba wasn't notified of this before someone killed him. :-) I really wasn't looking to put Rick's friend on the spot, merely looking to make a point about the essentially selfish nature of much of the language surrounding enlightenment. It's almost *always* about What it did for me (the person claiming enlightenment). It's almost *never* about anyone else. Doesn't that strike anyone else as a tad unbalanced? As for the person's last comment, I do not and have never claimed enlightenment. I've had some periods of being in states of mind that I think match Maharishi's CC to a T, but they only lasted weeks at a time and to be honest, they weren't interesting enough for me to make a goal of reattaining them. They were what they were, and now is what it is. All are on an equal footing in my opinion. So the question of what my personal experience of doing for others might be is kinda moot. I didn't experience it changing one iota while these experiences were going on, and I'm not convinced that the subjective experience of enlightenment causes a change in anyone else, either. My point was about the essentially Enlightenment is important because it's important to *me* nature of much of the language of spirituality. That's all. My 50+ year experience in spiritual movements leads me to believe that most people don't ever even *notice* this self-centered focus. I noticed. I'm more drawn these days to groups that don't really give much of a shit about their personal enlightenment, and put the majority of their focus on trying to help others on a moment-to-moment basis.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Example of Cosmic Consciousness
On 05/02/2011 02:37 PM, Vaj wrote: On May 2, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Logically CC should not be a binary experience. IOW, a switch goes on and you're there. It would be gradual. For instance someone noticing, as they did years ago, that they seemed to no longer come out of meditation and that the experience of the transcendence was there along in activity. It might be a mild experience of it but it *is* there. And more particularly over time should grow. So some of these things are flash experiences or a spike in the experience but I wouldn't say they popped into CC. They were already there. TM'ers seem to be in this mode that only a few achieve enlightenment but I found in India people expected folks practicing sadhana to get there and it was not that uncommon. Indians are an often superstitious people, so maybe they would believe that. However yogis describe it as an extremely rare stage. Most of those opinions came from yogis. It may be considered rare because you have to be doing sadhana. But IMHO it is a mechanical state induced by training the nervous system to adapt to the state. I don't think there is anything supernatural about it. After a while the rewiring is complete and at that state continued sadhana would not be needed as even living moment becomes sadhana. The religious aspect of this philosophy is the idea that only special people achieve it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Changing the Osama Narrative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: When the story of Osama's death first broke, one of the things that help identify Osama's location was the fact that the occupants of the compound always burned their trash and had no internet or telephone connections. Curiously, the media now reports the raid on the compound yielded a treasure trove of computers and hard drives stored with loads of information. So Osama had all this computer equipment and no internet access, what's up with that? What's curious about it? Computers without an Internet connection can be used for many things. They also found lots of thumb drives, which could have been brought in from the outside with new information to be fed to the computers. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54151.html The White House also changed its story that portrayed Osama as a coward resisting capture: That initial accounts had errors and inconsistencies is to be expected; it would be astonishing if they didn't, especially with regard to a chaotic event like this one. I'm not sure why you're portraying the correction of errors as suspicious. snip [quoting Politico:] The White House didn't offer a reason for any of the changes. What reason does there have to be other than that the first accounts got some things wrong?? However, Brennan noted during his televised briefing that his information came from reports from the scene as well as live video feeds of the raid. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54162.html I had wondered how much of the bloody mess Obama's national security team had witnessed. Apparently, they saw the entire 38 minutes of the take down. Not according to the NYTimes story this morning, as I noted in my earlier post, at least not the folks in the Situation Room. Panetta apparently had access to the live video feed and relayed what he was seeing to the SitRoom people from where he was. They may all have seen it *now*, but not while it was unfolding. Nobody to my knowledge has said where the camera was located. One camera couldn't have covered everything that was going on in the compound, and I seriously doubt they had multiple camerapeople running around shooting everything that was happening. Now that I know they have a live video feed, I'd like to see the video as well as photos of Osama's death. At the very least the White house should show the video and photos to members of Congress. So what do *you* suspect went on that you need to see the video before you'll be convinced otherwise? I don't know went on. They say they killed Osama. But there have been so many reports over the years that Osama was dead, it's hard to believe he just popped up from nowhere almost nine years later just in time for Obama's reelection. Since Pakistan has protected Osama all these years I can only speculate they may have fabricated the stories of his death. If he was alive to begin with, I believe Osama is now dead. Even so, seeing is believing and I'd like to see it. Although Lieberman and Collins believe Osama is dead, they have asked to see photos and video to confirm it for doubters. As members of Congress I think the White House should to release the information to them and put the question of Osama's death to rest. http://tinyurl.com/6knpczz http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/2chambers/post/lieberman-collins-say-administration-should-release-bin-laden-photos/2011/05/02/AF7lcSaF_blog.html
[FairfieldLife] No Country for Old Hobbits
HBO’s Twisted Fantasy No Country for Old Hobbits ‘Game of Thrones’ is a genius fantasy saga – and it’s not just for geeks By Rob Sheffield Game of Thrones Sundays, 9 p.m., HBO ADMIT IT: YOU WERE counting on Game of Thrones for at least one centaur orgy. Maybe involving a fair maiden or two from the darkest depths of Mordor. But that’s the brilliant twist of HBO’s smash fantasy saga: It’s designed to appeal to those of us who hate fantasy sagas. No centaurs, no wizards, no unicorns. Instead, it sticks to the timeless combo of breasts and beheadings. The ratio is approximately six severed heads per nipple – in fact, we get a heap of dismembered corpses in the first scene. The way Game of Thrones spins human history, people were sick bastards back then – which is why this world looks so familiar. If you’re not a fan of the fantasy genre, you might dismiss Thrones as Hobbit hype, but you’d be wrong. It’s in the HBO tradition of The Wire, The Sopranos andDeadwood, a big-budget tour of a fictional world with its own moral rules, where rival families battle for control. The political intrigue and suspense will suck you in, even if you know nothing about medieval times beyond your old Zeppelin albums. HBO’s avowed intention may have been to create “the Sopranos of Middle-Earth,” but fortunately, the Sopranos dominate the action. Game of Thrones doesn’t offer any Gandalfish folk wisdom, or Xena-ish heroes to root for. There is, however, a fuckton of sex and violence. We see people ripped apart by dire wolves. (Hey, I always assumed the Grateful Dead made those up.) We get gay knights shaving one another’s bodies. Not to mention the most explicit dwarf-fellating scene ever. More mead, sire? Based on a 700-page novel (the first from the series A Song of Ice and Fire – wait, wasn’t that by Pat Benatar?), by George R.R. Martin, Thrones is set in the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros, ruled by a lovable oaf who swigs wine as he bellows things like, “Start the damn joust before I piss meself!” It’s good to be the king, except that his highness’s young blond wife is scheming to bump him off. She’s also boning her twin brother, who looks just like Denis Leary. (You keep expecting him to light a cigarette and say, “Two words: bubonic plague!”) And she’s played by Lena Headey, from 300 and The Sarah Connor Chronicles, which means in geek terms she is hitting for the cycle. While loyal nobleman Ned Stark (Sean Bean) fights the conspiracy, the king goes off to hunt boar. As he says, “Killing things clears my head.” As any Shakespeare fan can tell you, the conflict is straight from the War of the Roses – but instead of the hunchback Richard III, Thrones’ most intriguing character is the misanthropic dwarf Tyrion, played by the ever-astounding Peter Dinklage. He’s both hilarious and terrifying and can talk his way out of any trouble. When he shows his charming side, he says, “I have a tender spot in my heart for cripples, bastards and broken things.” Mostly, though, he has a taste for blow jobs and booze. The kinkiest contenders for the crown have to be the blond Targaryen siblings, who look uncannily like the hair-metal band Nelson. The prince plots to gain the throne by pimping out his sister as the bride to a savage horselord. When she protests, the prince strokes her face and tells her, “I would let his whole tribe fuck you, all 40,000 men and their horses too, if that’s what it took.” But his sister turns the tables and becomes a powerful queen, converting her warrior husband into her love slave. Her secret? She figures out how to bang him face to face, which in this doggie-style-only era is like discovering the secret of fire. It’s much easier to pull off a campy costume drama – hence the popularity of Spartacus: Gods of the Arena. But Thrones goes for a much grimmer mood. The characters keep repeating the proverb “Winter is coming,” yet even their summer looks like a nightmare. Life sucks so profoundly for these people that there’s not much difference between a good king and a bad king – power is just a game, and nobody expects to live long enough to see the outcome. The Targaryen princess has the most astonishing scene – she has to prove her mettle to her husband’s tribe at a ceremony where she eats the heart of a horse. Not only does she choke it down, she gets turned on while parading half-naked in front of the crowd with blood dripping off her face – she looks like she walked out of an NC-17 Fiona Apple video directed by Dario Argento. She turns into a queen before our eyes, and it’s not a pretty sight. This is power, Game of Thrones seems to say – this is nobility, this is the best hope for human civilization. Say your prayers. Winter is here. -Rolling Stone
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Example of Cosmic Consciousness
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turquoiseb Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 11:07 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Example of Cosmic Consciousness My friend said, Well, we all have our own points of view. If doing for others is what this person wants, sounds like a good plan to me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@... wrote: On Behalf Of turquoiseb My friend's response to Barry's comments: How could one possibly describe that or know that? In my case I have definitely become more even,more patient, more tender and loving towards all things. Those things seem to come naturally with this experience over time. So, relationships, especially marriage, have improved from my perspective, at least. But I have not run out and joined Greenpeace or the Sierra Club. I am not an activist, in that regard, never have been. People, I think, pretty much remain who they are, keep their usual proclivities. Or, if they change in any way, it is a very gradual unnoticeable thing. A kind of softening takes place. But I have heard others say if anything they have become more outrageous. So who knows? As the Gita tells us, there are no outward manifestations of this. It seems to me the person making this comment may be missing the point here. It is entirely likely to me that one does more good in the world by virtue of who they are than what they do. I can't prove that, but that's what I've always believed. I would love to hear in what ways this person's experience has changed them in the direction of doing good in the world. Maybe they could provide some examples of what they mean. My thanks to Rick's friend for his comments. My point was not to take on his experience per se, but the general language of self discovery, which I cannot help but notice sounds a lot like selfish discovery. The supposed benefits of realizing enlightenment are almost always presented in terms of I and me. The person who is claiming enlightenment is saying things about how much their subjective lives may have changed after this transition. I'm just looking for someone to put things in terms that might hint at a bit of care for others. There are certainly attempts at this in some dogmas, which tend to rely heavily on Woo Woo. The enlightened being is supposed to be a benefit to society just by being. People benefit from his/her vibes just by being around them. These types of raps even go as far as to claim that violence and other low mindstates aren't even *possible* in the vicinity of an enlightened being. I'm thinking that Tat Wala Baba wasn't notified of this before someone killed him. :-) I really wasn't looking to put Rick's friend on the spot, merely looking to make a point about the essentially selfish nature of much of the language surrounding enlightenment. It's almost *always* about What it did for me (the person claiming enlightenment). It's almost *never* about anyone else. Doesn't that strike anyone else as a tad unbalanced? As for the person's last comment, I do not and have never claimed enlightenment. I've had some periods of being in states of mind that I think match Maharishi's CC to a T, but they only lasted weeks at a time and to be honest, they weren't interesting enough for me to make a goal of reattaining them. They were what they were, and now is what it is. All are on an equal footing in my opinion. So the question of what my personal experience of doing for others might be is kinda moot. I didn't experience it changing one iota while these experiences were going on, and I'm not convinced that the subjective experience of enlightenment causes a change in anyone else, either. My point was about the essentially Enlightenment is important because it's important to *me* nature of much of the language of spirituality. That's all. My 50+ year experience in spiritual movements leads me to believe that most people don't ever even *notice* this self-centered focus. I noticed. I'm more drawn these days to groups that don't really give much of a shit about their personal enlightenment, and put the majority of their focus on trying to help others on a moment-to-moment basis.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Slate does what astrologers are afraid to do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Astrology readings are never 3 lines of right on info. They all make use of the mind's unconscious shaping ability and our natural ability to see patterns, even in clouds. This quality is enhanced in personal readings by people who are intuitive about life patterns. I gained this skill when I did NLP consultations with enough people. I learned the read ahead of the implication of the patterns so it would have sounded psychic if I had chosen to be unethical. It you get a detailed reading from a guy like Chakrapani there is so much detailed and contradictory info your brain picks and chooses what fits and ignores the rest. It is about an hour of blabbing to sort through. When you study Western astrology you learn so much information that could be taken by a person to be meaningful that there is little chance of someone saying hey that is not me. Although my examples simplified the delivery in parody, the fundamentals of astrology, once you get past the calculations part, are quite simple. They allow for a lot of personal interpretation of what an earth sign means. It is an artistic endeavor and lots of fun if you enjoy people. I don't doubt a good intuitive person like any good therapist could use the images and language of astrology to help a person, like art therapy. But that is not what astrology claims. It claims that we can uncover the micro from the macro, that the position of the stars at birth contains actual information about our tendencies and influences in our life. This is what I do not buy. Especially since the basic premise is turned into a blatant lie due to Western astrology's use of arbitrary 30 degree arcs without a stellar reference. At least Vedic astrology tries to be true to its premise and each sign is in the asymmetrical relationship of the actual constellations. Astrology feeds two human tendencies. A desire for life to make sense, and a wish to know our future, as well as the amazing ability of our minds to focus on what applies to us and forget what does not. When applied like tarot cards by an intuitive person who knows human nature and can use them to help someone, it could give positive results despite it not doing what it claims. On the negative side it presents personal information from usually an uncertified therapist that is being sold under the guise of being reliable due to the science of astrology rather than the more fallible nature of one human helping another to sort out their life. And the future prediction stuff is without any theoretical support of any kind so that is actually more of a straight up con IMO. I wish astrology had been around long enough to prove its value scientificallywhat's that? Oh...damn that IS a long time...then I don't suspect it is gunna happen now. In support of my view that the power of astrology is in the eyes of the believer is the fact that the overwhelmingly most popular form of astrology is not being done by the few esoteric guys touted as the super best guys. It is done by formulaic computer generated sources and it works just fine. The astrology business doesn't run on people's interest in proving if it is actually doing what it claims. They don't value the scientific method enough to pursue it, and guys like me don't care enough to pursue it either because it lacks a credible theoretical basis. Astrology's best use IMO is to study human nature, how we come to believe things and how we process information about our personalities and life patterns from an outside source. It exploits known cognitive gaps that modern people ignore at their peril. By now our race should be wy better at making these distinctions. And if they ever prove its value scientifically I will happily change my opinion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip Western astrology hides behind the mushy, you sometimes feel that people around you don't understand you because you have an insight into others that they don't share not being Cancer's and all. Sometimes you feel misunderstood and you get frustrated when people can't see what is obvious to you carny cold reading terminology. Too bad you've never seen a good astrology reading. Well I did get one from one of Maharishi's favorites guys who I entertained in DC when he was visiting a movement facility as well as a few from Chakrapani. They were considered good back in the day in Eastern. I studied Western Astrology myself as well has getting some readings but not from anyone at the level of those two guys. So who do you propose as a purveyor of a good one? Don't know any offhand--I
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Example of Cosmic Consciousness
Agreed - it is mechanical. Enlightenment is for the masses, and becoming much less rare. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 05/02/2011 02:37 PM, Vaj wrote: On May 2, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Logically CC should not be a binary experience. IOW, a switch goes on and you're there. It would be gradual. For instance someone noticing, as they did years ago, that they seemed to no longer come out of meditation and that the experience of the transcendence was there along in activity. It might be a mild experience of it but it *is* there. And more particularly over time should grow. So some of these things are flash experiences or a spike in the experience but I wouldn't say they popped into CC. They were already there. TM'ers seem to be in this mode that only a few achieve enlightenment but I found in India people expected folks practicing sadhana to get there and it was not that uncommon. Indians are an often superstitious people, so maybe they would believe that. However yogis describe it as an extremely rare stage. Most of those opinions came from yogis. It may be considered rare because you have to be doing sadhana. But IMHO it is a mechanical state induced by training the nervous system to adapt to the state. I don't think there is anything supernatural about it. After a while the rewiring is complete and at that state continued sadhana would not be needed as even living moment becomes sadhana. The religious aspect of this philosophy is the idea that only special people achieve it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Example of Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turquoiseb Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 11:07 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Example of Cosmic Consciousness My friend said, Well, we all have our own points of view. If doing for others is what this person wants, sounds like a good plan to me. I think it sounds as if Rick's friend has done a lot for others as just part of his daily life - it is an assumed thing. He mentioned he had worked hard to earn a living and support his family. That is an ongoing, daily, years-long, huge thing. I am sure some Enlightened people like to do volunteer work. Others might not like that or have enough to do in family life. As far as the language used being so focused on personal experiences, that is true - but if the transformation is about consciousness and the loss of the ego, that would pretty much guarantee the talk about the very foundation of how one experiences self and life and thoughts and action. And it is possible that there is no outward change, it is all internal. And still pretty amazing just for the awakened person. That's a lot. Having heard Adyashanti once for 2 hours, I would bet that he would honestly respond to your concerns, Barry. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of turquoiseb My friend's response to Barry's comments: How could one possibly describe that or know that? In my case I have definitely become more even,more patient, more tender and loving towards all things. Those things seem to come naturally with this experience over time. So, relationships, especially marriage, have improved from my perspective, at least. But I have not run out and joined Greenpeace or the Sierra Club. I am not an activist, in that regard, never have been. People, I think, pretty much remain who they are, keep their usual proclivities. Or, if they change in any way, it is a very gradual unnoticeable thing. A kind of softening takes place. But I have heard others say if anything they have become more outrageous. So who knows? As the Gita tells us, there are no outward manifestations of this. It seems to me the person making this comment may be missing the point here. It is entirely likely to me that one does more good in the world by virtue of who they are than what they do. I can't prove that, but that's what I've always believed. I would love to hear in what ways this person's experience has changed them in the direction of doing good in the world. Maybe they could provide some examples of what they mean. My thanks to Rick's friend for his comments. My point was not to take on his experience per se, but the general language of self discovery, which I cannot help but notice sounds a lot like selfish discovery. The supposed benefits of realizing enlightenment are almost always presented in terms of I and me. The person who is claiming enlightenment is saying things about how much their subjective lives may have changed after this transition. I'm just looking for someone to put things in terms that might hint at a bit of care for others. There are certainly attempts at this in some dogmas, which tend to rely heavily on Woo Woo. The enlightened being is supposed to be a benefit to society just by being. People benefit from his/her vibes just by being around them. These types of raps even go as far as to claim that violence and other low mindstates aren't even *possible* in the vicinity of an enlightened being. I'm thinking that Tat Wala Baba wasn't notified of this before someone killed him. :-) I really wasn't looking to put Rick's friend on the spot, merely looking to make a point about the essentially selfish nature of much of the language surrounding enlightenment. It's almost *always* about What it did for me (the person claiming enlightenment). It's almost *never* about anyone else. Doesn't that strike anyone else as a tad unbalanced? As for the person's last comment, I do not and have never claimed enlightenment. I've had some periods of being in states of mind that I think match Maharishi's CC to a T, but they only lasted weeks at a time and to be honest, they weren't interesting enough for me to make a goal of reattaining them. They were what they were, and now is what it is. All are on an equal footing in my opinion. So the question of what my personal experience of doing for others might be is kinda moot. I didn't experience it changing one iota while these experiences were going on, and I'm not convinced that the subjective experience of enlightenment causes a change in anyone else, either. My point was about the essentially Enlightenment is important because it's
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake photo of Osama's death
and all the pre-printed signs!!! From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 5:09:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake photo of Osama's death --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Last night all too much seemed like a staged event. Somehow a bunch of people managed to show up that the WH that time of night to sing the national anthem? Was that the real reason the announcement was delayed so they could round up some people, possibly troops in civvies, to stage that? Too many sources and not just conspiracy theorists have said he's been dead for years. But let's not spoil the sheeple's party with our skepticism. :-D This is going to be fun to watch. The layers will keep getting added on. Anything but that he was killed as reported.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Example of Cosmic Consciousness
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wayback71 Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 12:14 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Example of Cosmic Consciousness --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of turquoiseb Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 11:07 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Example of Cosmic Consciousness My friend said, Well, we all have our own points of view. If doing for others is what this person wants, sounds like a good plan to me. I think it sounds as if Rick's friend has done a lot for others as just part of his daily life - it is an assumed thing. He mentioned he had worked hard to earn a living and support his family. That is an ongoing, daily, years-long, huge thing. I am sure some Enlightened people like to do volunteer work. Others might not like that or have enough to do in family life. As far as the language used being so focused on personal experiences, that is true - but if the transformation is about consciousness and the loss of the ego, that would pretty much guarantee the talk about the very foundation of how one experiences self and life and thoughts and action. And it is possible that there is no outward change, it is all internal. And still pretty amazing just for the awakened person. That's a lot. Having heard Adyashanti once for 2 hours, I would bet that he would honestly respond to your concerns, Barry. I'm all for doing seva - selfless service. I think it helps the helpee more than the helped, but that shouldn't be the motivation, or else it wouldn't be selfless. And we absolutely need people out there helping tornado and earthquake victims, providing food and medicine where needed, etc. But ultimately, what do all those things do for people? They make them more happy. So does enlightenment. So someone such as Adya, devoting his life to enlightening others, is providing happiness by playing a role relevant to his talents and to the needs of those attracted to him, most of whom probably have their food and shelter needs covered. A doctor who joins Doctors Without Borders is doing the same, in tune with his own skills, for people in less fortunate circumstances. Both are valuable services. No one can do everything. As my friend's comment implies, we do what we can, relative to our talents and motivations. As for my friend, I find him uplifting to be around, and I suppose others do too. So he's making a contribution just by living his life.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake photo of Osama's death
Yeah, we can't have any of that patriotism crap! I bet those people sellin' 'merican flags were makin'an obscene profit and those macho boys probably couldn't even sing and dance together in step! From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 6:04:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake photo of Osama's death On 05/02/2011 05:09 PM, seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: Last night all too much seemed like a staged event. Somehow a bunch of people managed to show up that the WH that time of night to sing the national anthem? Was that the real reason the announcement was delayed so they could round up some people, possibly troops in civvies, to stage that? Too many sources and not just conspiracy theorists have said he's been dead for years. But let's not spoil the sheeple's party with our skepticism. :-D This is going to be fun to watch. The layers will keep getting added on. Anything but that he was killed as reported. What I'm seeing on FFL is the same stupid group think behavior I saw in my local community the weekend after 9-11. Ya all got your 'merican flags and wavin' them? I remember they were selling American flags right outside the Safeway and teenage boys struttin' around like macho men (the Army wasn't too excited about that).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden?
Are you trying to tell us Usama Bin Laden didn't own *any* 7/11's? From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 7:16:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bye-Bye Bin Laden? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: But according to Benjamin Creme one problem is that Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with 7/11. Nab, You do have a point here. Or Mr. Creme does. Quite perceptive actually.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Changing the Osama Narrative
Raunchy, I was thinking the same thing,but there was a satellite dish and maybe he had Internet link that way. Yesterday I heard,regarding the video,that the national security team could only see what was happening from *outside* the walls of the compound and not directly what was happening inside which left everybody on pins and needles. I'll hand it to Obama on this one. He made a decision as a President and took responsibility for something that could have been disastrous( remember Jimmy Carter's failed rescue attempt of the Iranian hostages and Reagan's marine barracks in Lebanon). So far I give him an A+, even up to disposal of the body. But, I'm with you, we need to see those pics and any videos. From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 8:12:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Changing the Osama Narrative When the story of Osama's death first broke, one of the things that help identify Osama's location was the fact that the occupants of the compound always burned their trash and had no internet or telephone connections. Curiously, the media now reports the raid on the compound yielded a treasure trove of computers and hard drives stored with loads of information. So Osama had all this computer equipment and no internet access, what's up with that? http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54151.html The White House also changed its story that portrayed Osama as a coward resisting capture: The White House backed away Monday evening from key details in its narrative about the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, including claims by senior U.S. officials that the Al Qaeda leader had a weapon and may have fired it during a gun battle with U.S. forces. Officials also retreated from claims that one of bin Laden's wives was killed in the raid and that bin Laden was using her as a human shield before she was shot by U.S. forces... The White House didn't offer a reason for any of the changes. However, Brennan noted during his televised briefing that his information came from reports from the scene as well as live video feeds of the raid. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54162.html I had wondered how much of the bloody mess Obama's national security team had witnessed. Apparently, they saw the entire 38 minutes of the take down. Now that I know they have a live video feed, I'd like to see the video as well as photos of Osama's death. At the very least the White house should show the video and photos to members of Congress. Hillary's comments from the State Department on Osama's death: http://www.reuters.com/article/video/idUSTRE74142920110502?videoId=205789614
[FairfieldLife] Re: Slate does what astrologers are afraid to do
Curtis-- OK, the point I was making was much more limited than you go into here. I wasn't trying to make a case for astrology being valid or a science. That doesn't even rise to the level of a working hypothesis for me. All I can say is that I don't rule it out. The only point I *was* making was that your parody of a Western astrology reading wasn't anything like the readings I've seen. You could certainly do a parody of those, but it would look very different and you'd have to put more time and effort into it. Among other things, what I'm calling a good reading would be much more specific and detailed and would discuss negatives as well as positives. Astrologers try to be tactful about negatives, but they don't shy away from going into them any more than a psychotherapist would. An astrologer who tells clients only what s/he thinks they want to hear doesn't qualify as a good one in my book. And BTW, accurate is not a criterion I'm using for a good reading. That's a whole 'nother issue. I'm just talking about what a good reading looks like. Below I'm just going to comment on what I take issue with. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip When you study Western astrology you learn so much information that could be taken by a person to be meaningful that there is little chance of someone saying hey that is not me. That's just not the case. I've seen readings of people I knew that I thought were *way* off. I had one myself at one point. These were all good readings as I'm using the term for this discussion; they just weren't on target. snip I don't doubt a good intuitive person like any good therapist could use the images and language of astrology to help a person, like art therapy. But that is not what astrology claims. It claims that we can uncover the micro from the macro, that the position of the stars at birth contains actual information about our tendencies and influences in our life. This is what I do not buy. Especially since the basic premise is turned into a blatant lie due to Western astrology's use of arbitrary 30 degree arcs without a stellar reference. At least Vedic astrology tries to be true to its premise and each sign is in the asymmetrical relationship of the actual constellations. Yeah, you need to do some research on this point. It's a confusing issue. The two systems utilize different premises. It's not the case that there's only one premise and Western tropical astrology lies about it. Basically, tropical astrology's premise has to do with *seasonal cycles*, not stars. The tropical zodiac is one of *signs*, not constellations. The sidereal zodiac is pinned to constellations, the tropical zodiac is pinned to the signs representing the cycles of the seasons. Signs and constellations are two different things. The former aren't affected by the precession of the equinoxes; the latter are. It's so confusing because the *language* is the same in both cases. There's a good explanation here: http://therealastrology.com/ask-kevin/about-astrology/6-tropical-vs-sidereal.html http://tinyurl.com/3o4ewlo Scroll down to the heading The Tropical Zodiac and the Sidereal Zodiac. Read that, then skip the Age of Aquarius section and continue with Myths, Misconceptions, and Misinformation. snip And the future prediction stuff is without any theoretical support of any kind so that is actually more of a straight up con IMO. It may not be valid, but it's not a con, straight-up or otherwise. I wish astrology had been around long enough to prove its value scientificallywhat's that? Oh...damn that IS a long time... We haven't had the tools until quite recently. then I don't suspect it is gunna happen now. In support of my view that the power of astrology is in the eyes of the believer is the fact that the overwhelmingly most popular form of astrology is not being done by the few esoteric guys touted as the super best guys. It is done by formulaic computer generated sources and it works just fine. Popular with whom? Nobody with any savvy about astrology would rely on a computer-generated reading. Professional astrologers hold them in contempt. And at any given time, there *are* a few super best guys. But they're very much in demand, for readings and as teachers, so not everybody gets to use them. The astrology business doesn't run on people's interest in proving if it is actually doing what it claims. They don't value the scientific method enough to pursue it Very much au contraire. I don't know how that canard got started here. Do a Web search for Astrology research.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Changing the Osama Narrative
Novemeber 7, 2007 Benazir Bhutto: Bin Laden was Murdered --Youtube 2:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg I haven't checked all this out yet, but I will: Several report of Osama's death from right-winger Sodahead: Osama bin Laden has been killed by the U.S. military in a mansion outside the Pakistani capital of Islamabad along with other family members. How many times is bin laden going to die? Osama bin Laden died of kidney failure soon after the September 11, 2001, attacks. In 2002, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf said bin Laden had kidney disease, and that he had required a dialysis machine when he lived in Afghanistan. That same year, the FBI's top counter-terrorism official, Dale Watson, said, I personally think he is probably not with us anymore. On December 26, 2001 in the Egyptian newspaper Al-Wafd? It said a prominent official of the Afghan Taliban had announced that Osama Bin Laden had been buried on or about December 13. `He suffered serious complications and died a natural, quiet death In February, 2004, Iranian state radio claimed Osama bin Laden had been captured in Pakistan's border region with Afghanistan a long time ago. on December 21, 2002 A Taliban leader told the Pakistan Observer , that Bin Laden was suffering from a serious lung complication and died in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief. In 2003, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright told Fox News Channel analyst Morton Kondracke she suspected Bush knew the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden and was waiting for the most politically expedient moment to announce his capture. Benazir Bhutto, who was killed in a suicide attack at the end of 2007, stated that Osama bin Laden had been killed by Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, a man convicted of kidnapping and killing journalist Daniel Pearl. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: When the story of Osama's death first broke, one of the things that help identify Osama's location was the fact that the occupants of the compound always burned their trash and had no internet or telephone connections. Curiously, the media now reports the raid on the compound yielded a treasure trove of computers and hard drives stored with loads of information. So Osama had all this computer equipment and no internet access, what's up with that? What's curious about it? Computers without an Internet connection can be used for many things. They also found lots of thumb drives, which could have been brought in from the outside with new information to be fed to the computers. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54151.html The White House also changed its story that portrayed Osama as a coward resisting capture: That initial accounts had errors and inconsistencies is to be expected; it would be astonishing if they didn't, especially with regard to a chaotic event like this one. I'm not sure why you're portraying the correction of errors as suspicious. snip [quoting Politico:] The White House didn't offer a reason for any of the changes. What reason does there have to be other than that the first accounts got some things wrong?? However, Brennan noted during his televised briefing that his information came from reports from the scene as well as live video feeds of the raid. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54162.html I had wondered how much of the bloody mess Obama's national security team had witnessed. Apparently, they saw the entire 38 minutes of the take down. Not according to the NYTimes story this morning, as I noted in my earlier post, at least not the folks in the Situation Room. Panetta apparently had access to the live video feed and relayed what he was seeing to the SitRoom people from where he was. They may all have seen it *now*, but not while it was unfolding. Nobody to my knowledge has said where the camera was located. One camera couldn't have covered everything that was going on in the compound, and I seriously doubt they had multiple camerapeople running around shooting everything that was happening. Now that I know they have a live video feed, I'd like to see the video as well as photos of Osama's death. At the very least the White house should show the video and photos to members of Congress. So what do *you* suspect went on that you need to see the video before you'll be convinced otherwise? I don't know went on. They say they killed Osama. But there have been so many reports over the years that Osama was dead, it's hard to believe he just popped
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake photo of Osama's death
So, you're thinking that 9/11 was an inside job, and Obama was born in Kenya, and that Osama bin Laden is still alive, but we are in the FFL 'stupid group' because we accept evidence from President Obama and Secretary Clinton that bin Laden is dead? Bhairitu: I never said Obama was born in Kenya... Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement. So, how can a U.S. citizen have two Social Security numbers? That's probably illegal, right?
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Example of Cosmic Consciousness
Relative to being selfless, what I have heard from many of those who are realized is about the huge reduction of thoughts in the mind during daily life, post-awakening. The mind is not stuck in drive any longer, relentlessly shoving forward the concept of a self. This simple change allows someone realized to meet each moment with more freshness, innocence and clarity. The term restful alertness comes out of the closet. More attention is available to devote to anything we want to do, including interacting with others. I agree with the mystery poster too that personality remains pretty much the same, pre- and post-awakening, with a softer yet more effective demeanor over time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wayback71 Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 12:14 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Example of Cosmic Consciousness --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of turquoiseb Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 11:07 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Example of Cosmic Consciousness My friend said, Well, we all have our own points of view. If doing for others is what this person wants, sounds like a good plan to me. I think it sounds as if Rick's friend has done a lot for others as just part of his daily life - it is an assumed thing. He mentioned he had worked hard to earn a living and support his family. That is an ongoing, daily, years-long, huge thing. I am sure some Enlightened people like to do volunteer work. Others might not like that or have enough to do in family life. As far as the language used being so focused on personal experiences, that is true - but if the transformation is about consciousness and the loss of the ego, that would pretty much guarantee the talk about the very foundation of how one experiences self and life and thoughts and action. And it is possible that there is no outward change, it is all internal. And still pretty amazing just for the awakened person. That's a lot. Having heard Adyashanti once for 2 hours, I would bet that he would honestly respond to your concerns, Barry. I'm all for doing seva - selfless service. I think it helps the helpee more than the helped, but that shouldn't be the motivation, or else it wouldn't be selfless. And we absolutely need people out there helping tornado and earthquake victims, providing food and medicine where needed, etc. But ultimately, what do all those things do for people? They make them more happy. So does enlightenment. So someone such as Adya, devoting his life to enlightening others, is providing happiness by playing a role relevant to his talents and to the needs of those attracted to him, most of whom probably have their food and shelter needs covered. A doctor who joins Doctors Without Borders is doing the same, in tune with his own skills, for people in less fortunate circumstances. Both are valuable services. No one can do everything. As my friend's comment implies, we do what we can, relative to our talents and motivations. As for my friend, I find him uplifting to be around, and I suppose others do too. So he's making a contribution just by living his life.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake photo of Osama's death
Unlike the weekend after 9-11 I barely heard *any* locals talking about the Bin Laden thing yesterday or today. We remain skeptical around here and this is a liberal community. You do understand what a soldier actually is don't you. Take a look at a chess board and look at the littlest piece. Do you want to be one of those? On 05/03/2011 10:43 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: Yeah, we can't have any of that patriotism crap! I bet those people sellin' 'merican flags were makin'an obscene profit and those macho boys probably couldn't even sing and dance together in step! From: Bhairitunoozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 6:04:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake photo of Osama's death On 05/02/2011 05:09 PM, seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: Last night all too much seemed like a staged event. Somehow a bunch of people managed to show up that the WH that time of night to sing the national anthem? Was that the real reason the announcement was delayed so they could round up some people, possibly troops in civvies, to stage that? Too many sources and not just conspiracy theorists have said he's been dead for years. But let's not spoil the sheeple's party with our skepticism. :-D This is going to be fun to watch. The layers will keep getting added on. Anything but that he was killed as reported. What I'm seeing on FFL is the same stupid group think behavior I saw in my local community the weekend after 9-11. Ya all got your 'merican flags and wavin' them? I remember they were selling American flags right outside the Safeway and teenage boys struttin' around like macho men (the Army wasn't too excited about that).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
Vaj: What I'm saying is that while there exists extraordinary evidence of extraordinary states of consciousness in the scientific record (of various yogis, etc.), currently no such extraordinary record exists for any TMers... Can you cite a double-blind, peer-reviewed, scientific study that proves that there is a physiological correlation to an extraordinary state of consciousness, other than sleep, dreaming, and the waking state? Thanks. So all ye braggarts; wire up or fess up... Please post the link to the study here: Out of the hundreds of studies done on meditation, since Maurice Bucke wrote his famous book, there ought to be at least one that was a peer-reviewed, double-blind study proving a physiological correlate to a fourth state of consciousness. Where is Lawson when we need him because Vaj is apparently no help, plus Vaj is obviously biased. Researchers have documented immediate benefits in terms of lowered blood pressure, decreased heart and respiratory rates, increased blood flow, and other measurable signs of the relaxation response... Read more: Andrew Weil Q A Library: http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA326653 Charles Tart Consciousness Library: http://www.paradigm-sys.com/ 'Cosmic Consciousness' A Study in the Evolution of the Human Mind By Richard Maurice Bucke http://tinyurl.com/5saml22
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Slate does what astrologers are afraid to do
On May 3, 2011, at 12:48 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Astrology readings are never 3 lines of right on info. They all make use of the mind's unconscious shaping ability and our natural ability to see patterns, even in clouds. This quality is enhanced in personal readings by people who are intuitive about life patterns. I gained this skill when I did NLP consultations with enough people. I learned the read ahead of the implication of the patterns so it would have sounded psychic if I had chosen to be unethical. It you get a detailed reading from a guy like Chakrapani there is so much detailed and contradictory info your brain picks and chooses what fits and ignores the rest. It is about an hour of blabbing to sort through. I operate under the assumption that reading the karmic weather or climate is a lot mathematically like predicting the weather or climate. They're both mathematically described by chaos complexity math or something similar. So like the weather, sometimes they get it right or sometimes they get it wrong. It's just the nature of karmic weather. Do you watch the weather? When you study Western astrology you learn so much information that could be taken by a person to be meaningful that there is little chance of someone saying hey that is not me. Although my examples simplified the delivery in parody, the fundamentals of astrology, once you get past the calculations part, are quite simple. They allow for a lot of personal interpretation of what an earth sign means. It is an artistic endeavor and lots of fun if you enjoy people. I don't doubt a good intuitive person like any good therapist could use the images and language of astrology to help a person, like art therapy. But that is not what astrology claims. It claims that we can uncover the micro from the macro, that the position of the stars at birth contains actual information about our tendencies and influences in our life. This is what I do not buy. Especially since the basic premise is turned into a blatant lie due to Western astrology's use of arbitrary 30 degree arcs without a stellar reference. At least Vedic astrology tries to be true to its premise and each sign is in the asymmetrical relationship of the actual constellations. Astrology feeds two human tendencies. A desire for life to make sense, and a wish to know our future, as well as the amazing ability of our minds to focus on what applies to us and forget what does not. When applied like tarot cards by an intuitive person who knows human nature and can use them to help someone, it could give positive results despite it not doing what it claims. On the negative side it presents personal information from usually an uncertified therapist that is being sold under the guise of being reliable due to the science of astrology rather than the more fallible nature of one human helping another to sort out their life. And the future prediction stuff is without any theoretical support of any kind so that is actually more of a straight up con IMO. I wish astrology had been around long enough to prove its value scientificallywhat's that? Oh...damn that IS a long time...then I don't suspect it is gunna happen now. In support of my view that the power of astrology is in the eyes of the believer is the fact that the overwhelmingly most popular form of astrology is not being done by the few esoteric guys touted as the super best guys. It is done by formulaic computer generated sources and it works just fine. The astrology business doesn't run on people's interest in proving if it is actually doing what it claims. They don't value the scientific method enough to pursue it, and guys like me don't care enough to pursue it either because it lacks a credible theoretical basis. Astrology's best use IMO is to study human nature, how we come to believe things and how we process information about our personalities and life patterns from an outside source. It exploits known cognitive gaps that modern people ignore at their peril. By now our race should be wy better at making these distinctions. And if they ever prove its value scientifically I will happily change my opinion. Then perhaps you should read the Gauquelin's work. Or go visit Yogi Karve like I suggested before!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake photo of Osama's death
Bhairitu: Unlike the weekend after 9-11 I barely heard *any* locals talking about the Bin Laden thing yesterday or today. We remain skeptical around here and this is a liberal community... Get a grip - your town probably has less than 2,000 liberal hippie residents in it. What would they know about covert operations in Pakistan after watching an ABC News OTA broadcast with Diane Sawyer?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake photo of Osama's death
On 05/03/2011 11:23 AM, WillyTex wrote: So, you're thinking that 9/11 was an inside job, and Obama was born in Kenya, and that Osama bin Laden is still alive, but we are in the FFL 'stupid group' because we accept evidence from President Obama and Secretary Clinton that bin Laden is dead? Bhairitu: I never said Obama was born in Kenya... Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement. So, how can a U.S. citizen have two Social Security numbers? That's probably illegal, right? Where you come from would not be missed if it disappeared tomorrow.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: categorically deny that these states of consciousness are possible for anyone doing TM.You could even opine that TM practitioners can't go beyond asmita because they indulge in laya during meditation. Imagine Vaj on one extreme and Bevan Morris on the other joining hands over a joint-declaration about the positive value of meditation without a little reconciliation of position. Evidently the ultra-buddhists like Vaj out in the world are saying TM can't happen and is no good, the ultra-TM'ers are arguing that buddhism by definition is concentration in practice and hence concentration as a meditation practice is no good (second TM introductory prep-lecture). Could they ever get together on something larger? It's funny, each given their own experience, could ultra-Buddhists and ultra-TM'ers get together to issue a joint-statement that meditation is good and that meditation not only ought to be practiced but that it should be practiced, for instance as public policy in all public schools for good reasons of neurophysiology. Without a fundamental fight over which meditation would be better? It's been going on for 50 years ever since Maharishi came to the West marketing meditation in the meditation market-place. It seems that both camps actively work at denying each the other's experience. Like a spiritual warfare is going on over the hearts and minds of the meditation market. The sniping and shelling back and forth between camps is shocking spiritually. Could they at least talk together? May be the Centering Prayer people could mediate between the meditation radicals on either side. Or another spiritual group that's got nothing to sell but who are experienced in meditation and in the arbitration of conflict. Like the American Friends Service Committee (Quakers). I don't think the hot-heads are ready to get together on anything from either camp. The essential meditation doctrine of both camps would not allow for it. Om Sweet Jesus, could we not get the antagonists at least to stop shooting at each other? Agree to a ceasefire? Though possibly it could come together dispassionately with the scientists of the camps. Dr. Daniel Siegel (UCLA) on the one hand and Dr. John Hagelin (MUM) on the other are peers of each other in either extreme. They are the equivalent in so many ways of each other in either camp. Both are on Youtube, have written books, published scientific research, are spokespeople, extremely smart, highly educated, extremely spiritual. They are nearly twins. They should meet in between. A peace should be found. Take a look at Daniel Siegel on a TED talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu7wEr8AnHw In peace we could arrange a meeting between the chief deniers on both sides? You know, meditation conflict resolution. Rick Archer manifestly is good at moderating. He knows the territory. In the name of a lasting peace, let's offer to have Rick mediate a meditation meeting between Vaj (U. of Wisc.) and the Prime Minister of the Global Country for World Peace, Bevan (MUM) together to find common ground. Coming together in a Unified Field. Let us go together, Be together, know our minds to be alike. Let there be peace between the meditations. Almost couldn't believe my ears when I once heard 'laya' pronounced by Maharishi as the Finnish word 'läjä' (j = y in yes; ä ~= a in cat), meaning 'a heap'. The expression 'lehmän läjä' (a cow's heap) has a somewhat specialiced meaning: Do the finnish have a version that rolls off the tongue like, 'bull-shit'? http://tinyurl.com/6hkztgg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake photo of Osama's death
On 05/03/2011 12:07 PM, WillyTex wrote: Bhairitu: Unlike the weekend after 9-11 I barely heard *any* locals talking about the Bin Laden thing yesterday or today. We remain skeptical around here and this is a liberal community... Get a grip - your town probably has less than 2,000 liberal hippie residents in it. What would they know about covert operations in Pakistan after watching an ABC News OTA broadcast with Diane Sawyer? Maybe you ought to drop down here the next time you visit Santa Rosa. One look at all the bumper stickers around here will tell you otherwise. I remember a few years ago I saw someone who actually had a Bush/Cheney stick on their bumper which is a rare sight around here. This is George Miller territory, go do your homework. So how many liberal hippie residents are in Austin these days, Bubba? How many conservative hippie residents (we know of one)?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake photo of Osama's death
Transcendental Texas From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 11:47:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake photo of Osama's death On 05/03/2011 11:23 AM, WillyTex wrote: So, you're thinking that 9/11 was an inside job, and Obama was born in Kenya, and that Osama bin Laden is still alive, but we are in the FFL 'stupid group' because we accept evidence from President Obama and Secretary Clinton that bin Laden is dead? Bhairitu: I never said Obama was born in Kenya... Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement. So, how can a U.S. citizen have two Social Security numbers? That's probably illegal, right? Where you come from would not be missed if it disappeared tomorrow.
[FairfieldLife] Placement...Product Placement
Bond...James Bond, he says, while flashing an Omega watch and driving a BMW. Maybe the TMO should try to persuade MGM/Sony to show Bond meditating or attending a yagya while in India. All of which brings up an interesting question: if Bond finds his BMW parked so that the driver's side door is facing south, does he dare get in? :-) New James Bond Film, 'Bond 23' To Get $45 Million From Product Placement James Bond's only loyalty is to the Queen, and being a badass: for 50 years, no temptress or evil Communist villain could lure him. Turns out, what those double agents and cackling evil doers were lacking were watches and some Chinese electronics. The Australian reports http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/more-than-a-word-from-007s-s\ ponsors/story-e6frg6so-1226047962752 that producer MGM and distributor Sony will work to procure $45 million in product placement advertising in the new James Bond film http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/11/james-bond-23-new-007-film-ann\ ounced_n_807556.html , shattering the previous record of $20 million in Minority Report. Sony will be sending out brand ambassadors to a number of companies, including Chinese tech empires. Of course, corporate influence in 007's adventures is nothing new; he raced around the worldwide in a name-dropped Aston Martin for years before deliberately switching over to a BMW. Known for his fine taste in luxury, Bond's watches, clothing and other accessories have long been sponsored by those looking for good marketing by association; there's an entire website dedicated to the Bond Lifestyle http://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/ . As AskMen.com notes http://www.askmen.com/fashion/apparel/tom-ford-james-bond-suit.html , if Tom Ford was good enough for James Bond in Quantum of Solace, he's good enough for you. In 2006, Forbes noted that http://www.forbes.com/2006/11/16/bond-movie-advertising-tech-media-cx_l\ r_1116bond.html Sony had cut back to six brand advertisers in Casino Royale, eschewing them for promotional partnerships and higher costs for those that do put their products in the film. In 2002, Die Another Day had nine partnerships. However much money they raise in product placement, it's a salient example of the growing corporate influence in the screenplays of films, a phenomena tackled in Morgan Spurlock's new film, Pom Wonderful Presents: The Greatest Movie Ever Sold. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/22/the-greatest-movie-ever-sold-m\ organ-spurlock_n_852636.html In other Bond news, The Hollywood Reporter relays that the film, still officially untitled, may shoot scenes in India http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bond-23-shoot-india-reports-18443\ 8 .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake photo of Osama's death
Lot of hippies in Austin, the liberal Mecca of Texas. Where tie-dye is considered formal wear. Keep Austin Weird! From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 12:45:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake photo of Osama's death On 05/03/2011 12:07 PM, WillyTex wrote: Bhairitu: Unlike the weekend after 9-11 I barely heard *any* locals talking about the Bin Laden thing yesterday or today. We remain skeptical around here and this is a liberal community... Get a grip - your town probably has less than 2,000 liberal hippie residents in it. What would they know about covert operations in Pakistan after watching an ABC News OTA broadcast with Diane Sawyer? Maybe you ought to drop down here the next time you visit Santa Rosa. One look at all the bumper stickers around here will tell you otherwise. I remember a few years ago I saw someone who actually had a Bush/Cheney stick on their bumper which is a rare sight around here. This is George Miller territory, go do your homework. So how many liberal hippie residents are in Austin these days, Bubba? How many conservative hippie residents (we know of one)?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Changing the Osama Narrative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip So what do *you* suspect went on that you need to see the video before you'll be convinced otherwise? I don't know went on. They say they killed Osama. But there have been so many reports over the years that Osama was dead, it's hard to believe he just popped up from nowhere almost nine years later just in time for Obama's reelection. So you're suspicious of everything the government is saying about having monitored the compound since last September, after finally having tracked down the courier they'd been looking for since 2002? They say they weren't even sure he was there. But now it appears he'd been living there for several years. He didn't just pop up, they just recently became aware of where he'd been sitting comfortably for some time. If the whole thing was engineered to guarantee Obama's reelection, why do you think they didn't wait until, say, October 2012? Or why not do it in October 2010? After all, if the raid was just a government setup, if there was no Osama in the first place, they could have arranged for it to happen at any time. Why wouldn't they have it take place a month before the election, either the last one or the coming one? As it is, while it'll give Obama a bump in the ratings, it's unlikely to last very long. The state of the economy around election time will be *vastly* more influential than this will. Since Pakistan has protected Osama all these years I can only speculate they may have fabricated the stories of his death. Unless you discount everything the government has said, they've been hunting intensively for bin Laden ever since he disappeared at Tora Bora. Unless they're lying through their teeth, they didn't take any of these death stories seriously. And indeed, there's no solid evidence for any of them. I mean, of the reports you listed, the only one that's a flat assertion (rather than a speculation) by a nonanonymous person is the one from Benazir Bhutto, in an interview with David Frost. But several times *after* that interview, she publicly spoke about bin Laden as if she assumed he was still alive. See this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IIn_UnLO9I His conjecture that she misspoke and meant to say Daniel Pearl is a little shaky, but her references to bin Laden as alive after interview do suggest that either it was some weird slip of the tongue, or she found out immediately after the interview that he *hadn't* been killed. As to the anonymous Taliban officials, I'm not inclined to take anything they say as more reliable than what our government says. In any case, today the Taliban is ranting that bin Laden *wasn't* killed on Sunday, that he's still very much alive, that it's all a nefarious plot by the U.S. Make up your minds, guys! So you really can't take any of those earlier reports, much less the conjectures, as any kind of solid support for his having died previously. If he was alive to begin with, I believe Osama is now dead. Even so, seeing is believing and I'd like to see it. Although Lieberman and Collins believe Osama is dead, they have asked to see photos and video to confirm it for doubters. As members of Congress I think the White House should to release the information to them and put the question of Osama's death to rest. I'm fine with Congress seeing the evidence, but it's not going to put the question to rest among the hardcore doubters, any more than Obama releasing his long-form birth certificate has put *that* question to rest among the birthers.
[FairfieldLife] Treasure Trove
Those Pakistani boys down at the 7-11 ain't shown up for work in two days now, wonder what's up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Treasure Trove
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Those Pakistani boys down at the 7-11 ain't shown up for work in two days now, wonder what's up. They're laying low?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: It's funny, each given their own experience, could ultra-Buddhists and ultra-TM'ers get together to issue a joint-statement that meditation is good and that meditation not only ought to be practiced but that it should be practiced, for instance as public policy in all public schools for good reasons of neurophysiology. Without a fundamental fight over which meditation would be better? It's been going on for 50 years ever since Maharishi came to the West marketing meditation in the meditation market-place. It seems that both camps actively work at denying each the other's experience. Like a spiritual warfare is going on over the hearts and minds of the meditation market. What an incredible crock of horseshit. I can honestly state that I have never encountered an organization that claims that its technique of meditation is best OTHER THAN THE TMO. Yep, that is essentially the argument put forward by the second introductory or 'preparatory' lecture. That concentration which is said by TM'ers to be Buddhism is no good by comparison. That is a deeply held belief of TM-TB's even today. That one Keith Wallace chart on metabolism which was originally published in Scientific American was reproduced and used all along to show that Buddhism was even worst by comparison. That chart was used all along and was very much about marketing. Come to find out after much time the study apparently was not very good and in fact dickered with. The most I've ever heard any other organization say is that some of its techniques are possibly better for people of a certain disposition, whereas other techniques they teach may be better for those of a different disposition. The question of best does not come up, almost by definition, because all of these organizations teach multiple techniques. There was never any impetus for them to declare one of them best, as there was for the TMO, for the simple reason that it had nothing else to sell. Most of the organizations I've dealt with that teach meditation would be affronted even by the notion that there is such a thing as the meditation marketplace. That a phrase that only a TMer or someone from some other group *trying to make money by teaching meditation* would think up. The organi- zations I'm talking about all teach for free, so such a low-vibe concern as marketing what they teach or selling it in a marketplace would never even occur to them. As for the idea of making meditation mandatory in schools, that is also something that would never occur to these other organizations. If someone brought the idea up, they would first laugh, think- ing that you were joking, and then be affronted, because the idea of imposing meditation on anyone or mandating its practice would be anathema to them. They wouldn't understand how anyone could even think such a low-vibe idea up. It takes a Maharishi, or one of his followers, to think of something like that. But that's probably because they think in terms of a meditation marketplace. To them it doesn't matter whether individuals pay for it or a school system pays for it, just so long as they get paid.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
On May 3, 2011, at 4:43 PM, Buck wrote: Yep, that is essentially the argument put forward by the second introductory or 'preparatory' lecture. That concentration which is said by TM'ers to be Buddhism is no good by comparison. That is a deeply held belief of TM-TB's even today. Yet Buddhist meditators practicing a method of balanced attentional training, together with the four stations of brahma and it's transformative qualities of the heart as a way to cultivate the nondual view, were able to transcend for many hours at a time with just a couple of weeks of practice. They seemed to dye the cloth pretty darn well and pretty darn fast! We know it worked as the most detailed study of meditation ever performed already happened several years ago and has been publishing results for some time now.
[FairfieldLife] Basic American Values under attack
Tom Tomorrow's This Modern World - Cartoon: http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/2722/unclesam.jpg
[FairfieldLife] V is for Vaj
Yeah! Vaj could start it all himself by showing just how magnanimous he really is. Come ... join in the bliss. We are of Peace. . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: categorically deny that these states of consciousness are possible for anyone doing TM.You could even opine that TM practitioners can't go beyond asmita because they indulge in laya during meditation. Imagine Vaj on one extreme and Bevan Morris on the other joining hands over a joint-declaration about the positive value of meditation without a little reconciliation of position. Evidently the ultra-buddhists like Vaj out in the world are saying TM can't happen and is no good, the ultra-TM'ers are arguing that buddhism by definition is concentration in practice and hence concentration as a meditation practice is no good (second TM introductory prep-lecture). Could they ever get together on something larger? It's funny, each given their own experience, could ultra-Buddhists and ultra-TM'ers get together to issue a joint-statement that meditation is good and that meditation not only ought to be practiced but that it should be practiced, for instance as public policy in all public schools for good reasons of neurophysiology. Without a fundamental fight over which meditation would be better? It's been going on for 50 years ever since Maharishi came to the West marketing meditation in the meditation market-place. It seems that both camps actively work at denying each the other's experience. Like a spiritual warfare is going on over the hearts and minds of the meditation market. The sniping and shelling back and forth between camps is shocking spiritually. Could they at least talk together? May be the Centering Prayer people could mediate between the meditation radicals on either side. Or another spiritual group that's got nothing to sell but who are experienced in meditation and in the arbitration of conflict. Like the American Friends Service Committee (Quakers). I don't think the hot-heads are ready to get together on anything from either camp. The essential meditation doctrine of both camps would not allow for it. Om Sweet Jesus, could we not get the antagonists at least to stop shooting at each other? Agree to a ceasefire? Though possibly it could come together dispassionately with the scientists of the camps. Dr. Daniel Siegel (UCLA) on the one hand and Dr. John Hagelin (MUM) on the other are peers of each other in either extreme. They are the equivalent in so many ways of each other in either camp. Both are on Youtube, have written books, published scientific research, are spokespeople, extremely smart, highly educated, extremely spiritual. They are nearly twins. They should meet in between. A peace should be found. Take a look at Daniel Siegel on a TED talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu7wEr8AnHw In peace we could arrange a meeting between the chief deniers on both sides? You know, meditation conflict resolution. Rick Archer manifestly is good at moderating. He knows the territory. In the name of a lasting peace, let's offer to have Rick mediate a meditation meeting between Vaj (U. of Wisc.) and the Prime Minister of the Global Country for World Peace, Bevan (MUM) together to find common ground. Coming together in a Unified Field. Let us go together, Be together, know our minds to be alike. Let there be peace between the meditations. Almost couldn't believe my ears when I once heard 'laya' pronounced by Maharishi as the Finnish word 'läjä' (j = y in yes; ä ~= a in cat), meaning 'a heap'. The expression 'lehmän läjä' (a cow's heap) has a somewhat specialiced meaning: Do the finnish have a version that rolls off the tongue like, 'bull-shit'? http://tinyurl.com/6hkztgg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nude Spiritual Awakening
When I was in high school a friend on mine was very inspired by the scene in the movie Brother Sun Sister Moon, where St. Francis strips naked and gives his clothing back to his parents. This lead my friend to go home, strip naked, and recite the poem Desiderata for the entire neighborhood...He spent 30 days in the hospital under observation for this act. It seemed kind of uncool to hangout with him after that..but I was proud of him, and put a framed copy of the poem in my bedroom. I am just thankful, the movie American Pie hadn't come out yet!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fake photo of Osama's death
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: On May 2, 2011, at 8:27 AM, raunchydog wrote: Osama Bin Laden is dead – prove it http://blogs.reuters.com/russell-boyce/2011/05/02/bin-laden-is-dead-prove-it/ BIN LADEN DEAD Updates http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/01/breaking-obama-to-address-nation-at-1030pm-eastern-time/ Where's his death certificate!? I bet he doesn't have one! Where's his gray hair and beard? Did someone do a J Edgar Hoover on Osama? And you know that DBA analysis can only be done in a few minutes/hours on Law and Order.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: categorically deny that these states of consciousness are possible for anyone doing TM.You could even opine that TM practitioners can't go beyond asmita because they indulge in laya during meditation. Imagine Vaj on one extreme and Bevan Morris on the other joining hands over a joint-declaration about the positive value of meditation without a little reconciliation of position. Evidently the ultra-buddhists like Vaj out in the world are saying TM can't happen and is no good, the ultra-TM'ers are arguing that buddhism by definition is concentration in practice and hence concentration as a meditation practice is no good (second TM introductory prep-lecture). Could they ever get together on something larger? It's funny, each given their own experience, could ultra-Buddhists and ultra-TM'ers get together to issue a joint-statement that meditation is good and that meditation not only ought to be practiced but that it should be practiced, for instance as public policy in all public schools for good reasons of neurophysiology. Without a fundamental fight over which meditation would be better? It's been going on for 50 years ever since Maharishi came to the West marketing meditation in the meditation market-place. It seems that both camps actively work at denying each the other's experience. Like a spiritual warfare is going on over the hearts and minds of the meditation market. The sniping and shelling back and forth between camps is shocking spiritually. Could they at least talk together? May be the Centering Prayer people could mediate between the meditation radicals on either side. Or another spiritual group that's got nothing to sell but who are experienced in meditation and in the arbitration of conflict. Like the American Friends Service Committee (Quakers). I don't think the hot-heads are ready to get together on anything from either camp. The essential meditation doctrine of both camps would not allow for it. Om Sweet Jesus, could we not get the antagonists at least to stop shooting at each other? Agree to a ceasefire? Though possibly it could come together dispassionately with the scientists of the camps. Dr. Daniel Siegel (UCLA) on the one hand and Dr. John Hagelin (MUM) on the other are peers of each other in either extreme. They are the equivalent in so many ways of each other in either camp. Both are on Youtube, have written books, published scientific research, are spokespeople, extremely smart, highly educated, extremely spiritual. They are nearly twins. They should meet in between. A peace should be found. Take a look at Daniel Siegel on a TED talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu7wEr8AnHw In peace we could arrange a meeting between the chief deniers on both sides? You know, meditation conflict resolution. Rick Archer manifestly is good at moderating. He knows the territory. In the name of a lasting peace, let's offer to have Rick mediate a meditation meeting between Vaj (U. of Wisc.) and the Prime Minister of the Global Country for World Peace, Bevan (MUM) together to find common ground. Coming together in a Unified Field. Let us go together, Be together, know our minds to be alike. Let there be peace between the meditations. Goldie Hawn might be an effective mediator of good will for this work too, she certainly knows the area. See her in spiritual action on a TEDMED talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OdBXGHwNCkfeature=related Almost couldn't believe my ears when I once heard 'laya' pronounced by Maharishi as the Finnish word 'läjä' (j = y in yes; ä ~= a in cat), meaning 'a heap'. The expression 'lehmän läjä' (a cow's heap) has a somewhat specialiced meaning: Do the finnish have a version that rolls off the tongue like, 'bull-shit'? http://tinyurl.com/6hkztgg
[FairfieldLife] join request
Hi, I wish to join.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake photo of Osama's death
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:24 AM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: At least he'll be an *organic* bit of garbage, nontoxic pollution-wise, unlike most of what we toss in the ocean. His remains won't hurt the fish and other denizens of the sea that will consume them. Black hair dye probably isn't very organic. Except it most probably contains carbon and double bonds, which technically makes it organic, as in Organic Chemistry 101 As to proof that he's dead, I would imagine they made sure they had plenty of it before they threw him overboard. I'd guess they may have kept a few pieces of him for that very purpose. Yeah. DNA from his family. And a picture that looks as much like him as Obama's birth certificate looks real.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fake photo of Osama's death
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:24 AM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: Raw Story has a video of Bin Laden's compound on fire. http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/05/raw-video-bin-laden-compound-on-fire/ Sorry, but I saw the fire in Waco. That's the Dividian;s place burning.
[FairfieldLife] Thinking about moving back to Fairfield
Hi All, I may know some of you from 79-80 when I was there. I am thinking about moving back after 30 years. Would I get culture shock? I helped build the first dome and that was cool. Life was simple, and we were all on the same mission. Now I read that my house has to face east, Bevan is still there, Larry Domash is long gone and there are lots of guys that paid a million bucks to wear a crown. What is up with thatkinda scary IMO. So, my earnest question is..if I return, is there still the spirit of a cause for enlightenment and making the world a better place? Also have the gestapo gone away, or are they still a force to keep us in line? Thanks in advance for any input, this is a big decision. Brian
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Apr 30 00:00:00 2011 End Date (UTC): Sat May 07 00:00:00 2011 409 messages as of (UTC) Tue May 03 23:18:44 2011 48 authfriend jst...@panix.com 34 turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 34 Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 25 tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com 23 seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net 23 Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com 22 whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com 19 Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net 19 Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 17 Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net 16 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 14 curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com 14 WillyTex willy...@yahoo.com 13 Tom Pall thomas.p...@gmail.com 9 Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com 8 raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com 8 Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com 7 merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com 6 emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com 6 Peter drpetersutp...@yahoo.com 5 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 5 merlin vedamer...@yahoo.de 4 shanti2218411 kc...@epix.net 4 Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com 4 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com 3 Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com 3 Peter L Sutphen drpetersutp...@yahoo.com 3 John jr_...@yahoo.com 2 wayback71 waybac...@yahoo.com 2 Yifu Xero yifux...@yahoo.com 1 ultrarishi no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 pranamoocher no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 martyboi marty...@yahoo.com 1 brianbmurr brianbm...@yahoo.com 1 Robert babajii...@yahoo.com 1 PaliGap compost...@yahoo.co.uk 1 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 1 Brian Murray brianbm...@yahoo.com 1 do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com Posters: 39 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] join request
On May 3, 2011, at 5:57 PM, Brian Murray wrote: Hi, I wish to join. Sorry, Brian~~we're all full up. Try again next year. :) Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Thinking about moving back to Fairfield
Hi Brian, Firstly, I see you made the cut. May I be the first to offer my heartfelt congratulations. Many have tried, but few have succeeded~~glad to see you're amongst the Chosen. :) Now, on to your questions...firstly, don't believe everything you read. (Just out of curiosity, where have you been reading about little old Fairfield?) Most of us former TMers are living here just fine without the TMO. Nobody in town gives any credence to the east-facing loonies, and my suggestion is that you don't either. However, if you really are still into all the rules and regulations, Vedic City would probably be a better fit. No worries~~ it's just a mile away. Bevan may still be officially president of MUM, but nobody ever sees him and many wouldn't even recognize him. I can't give any info on the Rajas because that's not exactly the crowd I hang with. Undoubtedly others know more. As far as keeping people in line goes, I hear they are practically begging people to come to the Domes, and even paying by the month. I'm not sure what line you're referring to, but nobody not closely involved with MUM pays much attention to what goes on there. We use their pool and steer clear of anything else. I hope that answers some of your questions. Why not visit and see how you like it? There are some nice coffeehouses and it's an easy drive to Iowa City, Chicago, Madison etc. On May 3, 2011, at 6:18 PM, brianbmurr wrote: Hi All, I may know some of you from 79-80 when I was there. I am thinking about moving back after 30 years. Would I get culture shock? I helped build the first dome and that was cool. Life was simple, and we were all on the same mission. Now I read that my house has to face east, Bevan is still there, Larry Domash is long gone and there are lots of guys that paid a million bucks to wear a crown. What is up with thatkinda scary IMO. So, my earnest question is..if I return, is there still the spirit of a cause for enlightenment and making the world a better place? Also have the gestapo gone away, or are they still a force to keep us in line? Thanks in advance for any input, this is a big decision. Brian
[FairfieldLife] Orville Wright, flight 85
1904, Dayton http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/6/50295.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Hollywood Blvd and Highland Ave., Los Angeles
1907 http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/49736.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Shepherd with dog
Madison County, Montana; 1941 by Russell Lee http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/49863.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Horseshoe pitching contest
Yuma, Arizona, 1942 Dude on the left too young for the Army. Dude on the right, too old. http://www.museumsyndicate.com/item.php?item=49843
[FairfieldLife] Pie Town Fair
New Mexico, 1940. Yummie! http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/49862.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thinking about moving back to Fairfield
No replies? OK, that answers my question. You are all lost in your self creted world, outside of reality, while thinking you are creating reality. Has anyone here done anything to help the poor or homeless, Japan? Oh, yea do a yagya, but don't get your hands dirty. Go to your dome that I helped build when intentions meant something other than narcisistic fantasy's. Good luck on your fantasy, that is all it is. Brian --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brianbmurr brianbmurr@... wrote: Hi All, I may know some of you from 79-80 when I was there. I am thinking about moving back after 30 years. Would I get culture shock? I helped build the first dome and that was cool. Life was simple, and we were all on the same mission. Now I read that my house has to face east, Bevan is still there, Larry Domash is long gone and there are lots of guys that paid a million bucks to wear a crown. What is up with thatkinda scary IMO. So, my earnest question is..if I return, is there still the spirit of a cause for enlightenment and making the world a better place? Also have the gestapo gone away, or are they still a force to keep us in line? Thanks in advance for any input, this is a big decision. Brian
[FairfieldLife] Big Joe Turner at home
Chicago, 1941. Pioneer in blues, swing, and Shake, Rattle, and Roll. http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/49830.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fake photo of Osama's death
I never said Obama was born in Kenya... Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement... Bhairitu: Where you come from would not be missed if it disappeared tomorrow. Don't you just hate those Latinos. You probably support the Caste System in India, right? So, it is all about birth-circumstances, and you do believe it's important where the U.S. President was born, in Kenya or not. But, why is it so important to you where a person happens to be born?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thinking about moving back to Fairfield
http://www.fantasygallery.net/frazetta/art_10_countess.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brianbmurr brianbmurr@... wrote: No replies? OK, that answers my question. You are all lost in your self creted world, outside of reality, while thinking you are creating reality. Has anyone here done anything to help the poor or homeless, Japan? Oh, yea do a yagya, but don't get your hands dirty. Go to your dome that I helped build when intentions meant something other than narcisistic fantasy's. Good luck on your fantasy, that is all it is. Brian --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brianbmurr brianbmurr@ wrote: Hi All, I may know some of you from 79-80 when I was there. I am thinking about moving back after 30 years. Would I get culture shock? I helped build the first dome and that was cool. Life was simple, and we were all on the same mission. Now I read that my house has to face east, Bevan is still there, Larry Domash is long gone and there are lots of guys that paid a million bucks to wear a crown. What is up with thatkinda scary IMO. So, my earnest question is..if I return, is there still the spirit of a cause for enlightenment and making the world a better place? Also have the gestapo gone away, or are they still a force to keep us in line? Thanks in advance for any input, this is a big decision. Brian
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
It seems that both camps actively work at denying each the other's experience. Like a spiritual warfare is going on over the hearts and minds of the meditation market. turquoiseb: I can honestly state that I have never encountered an organization that claims that its technique of meditation is best OTHER THAN THE TMO... You mean other than the 'Royal' Yoga of Patanjali's camp. You're no Raja! LoL! The more you give, the more people we can help, Lenz says piously on a tape. It's that simple. http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/wired The most I've ever heard any other organization say is that some of its techniques are possibly better for people of a certain disposition, whereas other techniques they teach may be better for those of a different disposition. The question of best does not come up, almost by definition, because all of these organizations teach multiple techniques. There was never any impetus for them to declare one of them best, as there was for the TMO, for the simple reason that it had nothing else to sell. Most of the organizations I've dealt with that teach meditation would be affronted even by the notion that there is such a thing as the meditation marketplace. That a phrase that only a TMer or someone from some other group *trying to make money by teaching meditation* would think up. The organi- zations I'm talking about all teach for free, so such a low-vibe concern as marketing what they teach or selling it in a marketplace would never even occur to them. As for the idea of making meditation mandatory in schools, that is also something that would never occur to these other organizations. If someone brought the idea up, they would first laugh, think- ing that you were joking, and then be affronted, because the idea of imposing meditation on anyone or mandating its practice would be anathema to them. They wouldn't understand how anyone could even think such a low-vibe idea up. It takes a Maharishi, or one of his followers, to think of something like that. But that's probably because they think in terms of a meditation marketplace. To them it doesn't matter whether individuals pay for it or a school system pays for it, just so long as they get paid.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thinking about moving back to Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brianbmurr brianbmurr@... wrote: No replies? Hey, 1. most people here on Ffldlife do not live in Fairfield at all, have only visited or lived there, as you did, years ago 2. Lots of us don't check in to Ffldlife all day long and won't even read your first post until tomorrow 3. From what I gather, you can pretty much do what you want in Fairfield - hang with whatever crowd you like. There are still true believers but it seems the numbers who take all the rules seriously have dwindled to a small group. It sounds as if people create their own approach to life and spirituality if so inclined. OK, that answers my question. You are all lost in your self creted world, outside of reality, while thinking you are creating reality. Has anyone here done anything to help the poor or homeless, Japan? Oh, yea do a yagya, but don't get your hands dirty. Go to your dome that I helped build when intentions meant something other than narcisistic fantasy's. Good luck on your fantasy, that is all it is. Brian --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brianbmurr brianbmurr@ wrote: Hi All, I may know some of you from 79-80 when I was there. I am thinking about moving back after 30 years. Would I get culture shock? I helped build the first dome and that was cool. Life was simple, and we were all on the same mission. Now I read that my house has to face east, Bevan is still there, Larry Domash is long gone and there are lots of guys that paid a million bucks to wear a crown. What is up with thatkinda scary IMO. So, my earnest question is..if I return, is there still the spirit of a cause for enlightenment and making the world a better place? Also have the gestapo gone away, or are they still a force to keep us in line? Thanks in advance for any input, this is a big decision. Brian
[FairfieldLife] 6-th St., Austin, Texas
1993 I hope things have improved since then. http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/49922.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Laying on of hands at Pentacostal Church
1946, Lejunior; by Russell Lee http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/49850.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Speed Chapati
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDQOBpzUQMg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Changing the Osama Narrative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip So what do *you* suspect went on that you need to see the video before you'll be convinced otherwise? I don't know went on. They say they killed Osama. But there have been so many reports over the years that Osama was dead, it's hard to believe he just popped up from nowhere almost nine years later just in time for Obama's reelection. So you're suspicious of everything the government is saying about having monitored the compound since last September, after finally having tracked down the courier they'd been looking for since 2002? They say they weren't even sure he was there. But now it appears he'd been living there for several years. He didn't just pop up, they just recently became aware of where he'd been sitting comfortably for some time. Do we know if they tracked the courier because they knew Osama was alive or is it possible they knew Osama was dead but tracked the courier for reasons we don't know about, perhaps to find other persons of interest? Becoming aware just recently of where Osama was sounds like popping up from nowhere to me. If the whole thing was engineered to guarantee Obama's reelection, why do you think they didn't wait until, say, October 2012? Or why not do it in October 2010? After all, if the raid was just a government setup, if there was no Osama in the first place, they could have arranged for it to happen at any time. Why wouldn't they have it take place a month before the election, either the last one or the coming one? I don't know if the whole thing was engineered to guarantee Obama's reelection, it just happens to be conveniently during an election cycle. October 2010? Obama didn't do a fucking thing to help Democrats in 2010 and wasn't going to. Everyone was left to fend for themselves and now we have a bunch of asshole governors bent on busting public service unions, trashing women's reproductive health and privatizing anything that isn't bolted down. Why wait until 2012 when he has all this time to trade on killing Osama and sharpen his foreign policy chops? As it is, while it'll give Obama a bump in the ratings, it's unlikely to last very long. The state of the economy around election time will be *vastly* more influential than this will. Believe it, Obama is going to milk the bump in his ratings for all it's worth. The President who killed Osama bin Laden is the stuff of legends. By the time the election rolls around, a servile media will have once again helped Obama gain the stature of a mythical hero. The state of the economy will probably be pretty shitty, but the Republicans have so overplayed their hand on budget cuts that independents will probably abandon tea party lunatics for Obama who will seem a savior by comparison. Since Pakistan has protected Osama all these years I can only speculate they may have fabricated the stories of his death. Unless you discount everything the government has said, they've been hunting intensively for bin Laden ever since he disappeared at Tora Bora. Unless they're lying through their teeth, they didn't take any of these death stories seriously. And indeed, there's no solid evidence for any of them. I mean, of the reports you listed, the only one that's a flat assertion (rather than a speculation) by a nonanonymous person is the one from Benazir Bhutto, in an interview with David Frost. But several times *after* that interview, she publicly spoke about bin Laden as if she assumed he was still alive. See this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IIn_UnLO9I His conjecture that she misspoke and meant to say Daniel Pearl is a little shaky, but her references to bin Laden as alive after interview do suggest that either it was some weird slip of the tongue, or she found out immediately after the interview that he *hadn't* been killed. As to the anonymous Taliban officials, I'm not inclined to take anything they say as more reliable than what our government says. In any case, today the Taliban is ranting that bin Laden *wasn't* killed on Sunday, that he's still very much alive, that it's all a nefarious plot by the U.S. Make up your minds, guys! So you really can't take any of those earlier reports, much less the conjectures, as any kind of solid support for his having died previously. You win on credibility of the sources. But, as long as we can't talk to the Navy Seals who could give a first hand account of the raid and Osama now sleeps with the fishes, people will have doubts. If he was alive to begin with, I believe Osama is now dead. Even so, seeing is believing and I'd like to see it. Although Lieberman and Collins believe Osama is dead, they have asked to see photos and video to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thinking about moving back to Fairfield
Hey Brian, I remember when we sent a team from the kansas city capital project to help build the first dome - with the weather all warm in...January(?)...anyway last I visited Fairfield was a drive-by in '92. How come you don't want to hang with the rakshasas and demons in the ordinary world anymore - lol? Tongue in cheek obviously though I am curious why you want to move to Fairfield? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brianbmurr brianbmurr@... wrote: No replies? OK, that answers my question. You are all lost in your self creted world, outside of reality, while thinking you are creating reality. Has anyone here done anything to help the poor or homeless, Japan? Oh, yea do a yagya, but don't get your hands dirty. Go to your dome that I helped build when intentions meant something other than narcisistic fantasy's. Good luck on your fantasy, that is all it is. Brian --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brianbmurr brianbmurr@ wrote: Hi All, I may know some of you from 79-80 when I was there. I am thinking about moving back after 30 years. Would I get culture shock? I helped build the first dome and that was cool. Life was simple, and we were all on the same mission. Now I read that my house has to face east, Bevan is still there, Larry Domash is long gone and there are lots of guys that paid a million bucks to wear a crown. What is up with thatkinda scary IMO. So, my earnest question is..if I return, is there still the spirit of a cause for enlightenment and making the world a better place? Also have the gestapo gone away, or are they still a force to keep us in line? Thanks in advance for any input, this is a big decision. Brian
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thinking about moving back to Fairfield
Gee Brian, why the pissed-off response? Maybe nobody who lives in Fairfield saw your question yet. --- On Tue, 5/3/11, brianbmurr brianbm...@yahoo.com wrote: From: brianbmurr brianbm...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thinking about moving back to Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 10:21 PM No replies? OK, that answers my question. You are all lost in your self creted world, outside of reality, while thinking you are creating reality. Has anyone here done anything to help the poor or homeless, Japan? Oh, yea do a yagya, but don't get your hands dirty. Go to your dome that I helped build when intentions meant something other than narcisistic fantasy's. Good luck on your fantasy, that is all it is. Brian --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brianbmurr brianbmurr@... wrote: Hi All, I may know some of you from 79-80 when I was there. I am thinking about moving back after 30 years. Would I get culture shock? I helped build the first dome and that was cool. Life was simple, and we were all on the same mission. Now I read that my house has to face east, Bevan is still there, Larry Domash is long gone and there are lots of guys that paid a million bucks to wear a crown. What is up with thatkinda scary IMO. So, my earnest question is..if I return, is there still the spirit of a cause for enlightenment and making the world a better place? Also have the gestapo gone away, or are they still a force to keep us in line? Thanks in advance for any input, this is a big decision. Brian To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Thinking about moving back to Fairfield
An easy drive to Madison? Man, you must have a fast car! --- On Tue, 5/3/11, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Thinking about moving back to Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 9:09 PM Hi Brian, Firstly, I see you made the cut. May I be the first to offer my heartfelt congratulations. Many have tried, but few have succeeded~~glad to see you're amongst the Chosen. :) Now, on to your questions...firstly, don't believe everything you read. (Just out of curiosity, where have you been reading about little old Fairfield?) Most of us former TMers are living here just fine without the TMO. Nobody in town gives any credence to the east-facing loonies, and my suggestion is that you don't either. However, if you really are still into all the rules and regulations, Vedic City would probably be a better fit. No worries~~ it's just a mile away. Bevan may still be officially president of MUM, but nobody ever sees him and many wouldn't even recognize him. I can't give any info on the Rajas because that's not exactly the crowd I hang with. Undoubtedly others know more. As far as keeping people in line goes, I hear they are practically begging people to come to the Domes, and even paying by the month. I'm not sure what line you're referring to, but nobody not closely involved with MUM pays much attention to what goes on there. We use their pool and steer clear of anything else. I hope that answers some of your questions. Why not visit and see how you like it? There are some nice coffeehouses and it's an easy drive to Iowa City, Chicago, Madison etc. On May 3, 2011, at 6:18 PM, brianbmurr wrote: Hi All, I may know some of you from 79-80 when I was there. I am thinking about moving back after 30 years. Would I get culture shock? I helped build the first dome and that was cool. Life was simple, and we were all on the same mission. Now I read that my house has to face east, Bevan is still there, Larry Domash is long gone and there are lots of guys that paid a million bucks to wear a crown. What is up with thatkinda scary IMO. So, my earnest question is..if I return, is there still the spirit of a cause for enlightenment and making the world a better place? Also have the gestapo gone away, or are they still a force to keep us in line? Thanks in advance for any input, this is a big decision. Brian To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thinking about moving back to Fairfield
Hey Brian, you posted too late in the day plus the action on a thread doesn't really start until Barry aka Turquoiseb spins his magic and Judy aka authfriend starts ripping him apart word by word. Once he comments your thread will turn into a monster and reverberate for a while. So be patient. I would be curious to know why you would want to return to Fairfield, I don't live there mind you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brianbmurr brianbmurr@... wrote: No replies? OK, that answers my question. You are all lost in your self creted world, outside of reality, while thinking you are creating reality. Has anyone here done anything to help the poor or homeless, Japan? Oh, yea do a yagya, but don't get your hands dirty. Go to your dome that I helped build when intentions meant something other than narcisistic fantasy's. Good luck on your fantasy, that is all it is. Brian --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brianbmurr brianbmurr@ wrote: Hi All, I may know some of you from 79-80 when I was there. I am thinking about moving back after 30 years. Would I get culture shock? I helped build the first dome and that was cool. Life was simple, and we were all on the same mission. Now I read that my house has to face east, Bevan is still there, Larry Domash is long gone and there are lots of guys that paid a million bucks to wear a crown. What is up with thatkinda scary IMO. So, my earnest question is..if I return, is there still the spirit of a cause for enlightenment and making the world a better place? Also have the gestapo gone away, or are they still a force to keep us in line? Thanks in advance for any input, this is a big decision. Brian
