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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson
Ravi, I was actually talking about Buddhism as there is a large body of information targeting the ignorant masses looking for a different spiritual practice. It has been dumbed down and I'm not clear that benefit could not be gained by cherry-picking some of the techniques, regardless of whether one delves more deeply into the complexities of Buddhism. It's free and seems more above-board in this respect. I disagree that people don't appreciate things they receive for free and the commitment comes from inside, in all regards. I just keep believing that it doesn't matter so much what tradition is followed if one's intention and practice serve to meet one's personal needs. For me, for example, if I just simply sit and breathe for 30 minutes and focus on my breath, which is the simplest of things to do, I start to calm down. If that is all I ever manage, it may not get me to an altered state or higher level of consciousness, but it might improve the quality of my life still. I do agree that there is likely more to be gained from more in-depth study and participation in a spiritual practice of one's choosing. I bought an Macbook Pro and paid extra for the hand-holding contract piece, but I don't find that I feel particularly special, just poorer. From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson Hmm..Denise I'm confused - you must be referring to TM while I was talking about Buddhism. As far as I can see, there is value in TM charging money - one people never appreciate anything they receive for free, secondly they put more effort since they have paid it and thirdly it makes them feel special, much like buying an Apple product which is very helpful in initial stages. On Nov 6, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com wrote: snip Buddhism is a great but arduous path, not for everyone, only for a few who have the great intellect combined with proper discrimination I don't see why it has to be so complicated or why one has to buy in fullyI think there may be value in practicing principles and techniques that can be spoon-fed to the masses...like Yogurt-lite. From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson On Nov 6, 2011, at 10:21 AM, seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I understand what you are saying. I'll be honest. I skim so lightly whatever Nabby says, that I really can't say what Tart was responding to. But I liked Tart's response. Evidently he was choosing not to respond directly to something Nabby said, and chose to go off on his own tangent. One thing to point out. This was something the great Master, MMY used to do constantly. It was one of his defining characteristics. Would you care to comment on Tart's assertion that duality it ultimately a mirage, and that the true reality is one of unity? You know I'm not the one to have dry intellectual discussions. Words don't mean anything but yes its unity and Unity doesn't exclude duality. In fact one in Unity is engaged with duality with much more fervor and intensity than one who has not, hence Lord Krishna is treated as a purna avatar( a complete or a perfect manifestation of Unity). Buddhism is a great but arduous path, not for everyone, only for a few who have the great intellect combined with proper discrimination, say someone like Judy. Buddhism, unfortunately has become a great refuge of all the mentally masturbating, Western intellectuals because it gives a great satisfaction to the ego and nothing but pseudo spirituality. God I'm itching to talk, I'm really going to go after these idiots..:-) Or does he need follow some dialogue protocal before we can comment on that? Sure there is no protocol but like Judy said he is being totally obnoxious, he should start a separate thread and may be add a paragraph referencing his opinions on people calling Vaj a liar. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Steve, Judy is spot on - say you are an enlightened man and are confronting your child for lying and in walks a retarded tartbrain who says - hey you enlightened man, you shouldn't be confronting your child for lying because it's all love bliss, I bet you will smack tartbrain so hard that his intellectually aroused head will start fitting in his hat for a few days at least. On Nov 5, 2011, at 8:21 PM, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
Dear Obba, Sorry couldn't get to it right away but thank you for your comments. A true lover shows all his cards to his beloved. He will get hurt sooner or later because he is totally vulnerable to the beloved. And the other can never provide the true love, can never fulfill his deep longing and intensity of love. In the pain, suffering of being hurt, albeit imaginary, he touches the deep core in his intensity, inadvertently stumbling and opening the perennial source of love within - which now gushes out and completely douses him. Like the Mother Ganges.. Now he still shows all the cards but he cannot be hurt anymore because he is being powered by the unconditional love within. Love, Ravi. On Nov 5, 2011, at 5:48 AM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Humble intrusion (invasion of privacy) on this open forum: Ravi, it appears you just skinned the cat and declawed its protection mechanisms. You lay raw on this post, vulnerable to the vultures, hyenas and seagulls. On the other hand, animal sacrifices (from a particular book of sutras, for which appear to make no sense.)Krishna is not cheating on Radha. Most (male or female), who express love to the other party (male or female)gives full expression of unity when this occurs. When people say they cannot commit, it is usually because they have not found the source of union of completeness giving wholeness? Most men would never admit their fidelity at poker game chat, smoke, beer, cards. You sir, hold the poker face at this one. :P --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Dear Robin, You message is so beautiful and so remarkable that I have really savored it many times for my narcissistic pleasure. That's why I have so much admiration - not only you have the sharpest intellect but a very keen insight, intuitive, sensitive and heart centered, a rare combination indeed !! No wonder I referred to you as a prodigal pimp - it was a praise as well. Maharishi did a great service by explaining the higher states of consciousness. I OTOH had zero knowledge on these and any lay poster here on FFL seemed to have more knowledge than me. However it can be a drawback as well, but I guess you are one of the prodigies from the MMY era. It would be great if you can end the battles with all things Eastern and the Vedic gods because you would be an awesome teacher. So the remarkable insight you have provided is amazing. I took some heat for mentioning in my Batgap interview that I could only marry a woman who would treat me as a Guru - I actually said this for the first time in my lufe and during the interview and it kind of baffled me later as to why I even said it. It took me a while to make sense of it but you lay it out remarkably well. I have a hard time finding a woman because for one because post-awakening I can't cheat i.e. I'm brutally honest when I talk about myself and second it would need a woman, for her own sanity, to completely trust me to have a relationship with me since I'm so unpredictable. But I'm very loyal and would rather masturbate than cheat or abuse a woman. So I'm perplexed when I hear about gurus sleeping with multiple women and abusing them. Even pre-awakening when I got mad at my ex after she left me to go to India again despite my protests, I solicited prostitutes on CL for a while till I felt disgusted with the foolishness of what I was doing. Even then I went to the same woman every single time since it was never about just sex or having multiple partners. But you are right in a way no one can truly have a relationship with me. I feel untouched, untainted and unperturbed by anything outside of me. But trust me I will shower lot of love and attention as well :-) On your other comments I feel everyone is unique and the gurus are here to just enable us to find our uniqueness. I never would want you to amend your comments unless you felt moved to do so, that would be very dishonest for me to do since I myself never yielded unwillingly to anyone in my life. Thanks for you other comments, no one could have stated any better including myself. Love, Ravi On Nov 4, 2011, at 1:42 AM, maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Dear Ravi, You are the only human being I have come across where I can unequivocally say: you are who and what you are supposed to be. This Eastern mystical thing works for you, even in your naughty and audacious and mocking ways. I have never sensed another self other than the one you project and act out of. Therefore, since in a sense you are beyond human being individuality as I have known it, my attempts to make you see the world in some universal way that I feel is normal for the rest of us human beings, just doesn't and won't apply to you. You are in a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson
Dear Denise, No problem I appreciate your views and sure - it doesn't work for everyone. But you know what, like you said there's definitely lot to others to choose from. Pre-awakening in the depths of misery I tried everything I could lay hand on. ( My Guru didn't have the IAM technique then :-)). And one of them was this - this simple technique of watching your incoming breath and then outgoing breath. Incoming - life, creation - outgoing - the end death. It was fun doing the technique because you enter a stillness with the outgoing breath. So good luck !!! Love, Ravi On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:56 AM, Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com wrote: Ravi, I was actually talking about Buddhism as there is a large body of information targeting the ignorant masses looking for a different spiritual practice. It has been dumbed down and I'm not clear that benefit could not be gained by cherry-picking some of the techniques, regardless of whether one delves more deeply into the complexities of Buddhism. It's free and seems more above-board in this respect. I disagree that people don't appreciate things they receive for free and the commitment comes from inside, in all regards. I just keep believing that it doesn't matter so much what tradition is followed if one's intention and practice serve to meet one's personal needs. For me, for example, if I just simply sit and breathe for 30 minutes and focus on my breath, which is the simplest of things to do, I start to calm down. If that is all I ever manage, it may not get me to an altered state or higher level of consciousness, but it might improve the quality of my life still. I do agree that there is likely more to be gained from more in-depth study and participation in a spiritual practice of one's choosing. I bought an Macbook Pro and paid extra for the hand-holding contract piece, but I don't find that I feel particularly special, just poorer. From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson Hmm..Denise I'm confused - you must be referring to TM while I was talking about Buddhism. As far as I can see, there is value in TM charging money - one people never appreciate anything they receive for free, secondly they put more effort since they have paid it and thirdly it makes them feel special, much like buying an Apple product which is very helpful in initial stages. On Nov 6, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com wrote: snip Buddhism is a great but arduous path, not for everyone, only for a few who have the great intellect combined with proper discrimination I don't see why it has to be so complicated or why one has to buy in fullyI think there may be value in practicing principles and techniques that can be spoon-fed to the masses...like Yogurt-lite. From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson On Nov 6, 2011, at 10:21 AM, seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I understand what you are saying. I'll be honest. I skim so lightly whatever Nabby says, that I really can't say what Tart was responding to. But I liked Tart's response. Evidently he was choosing not to respond directly to something Nabby said, and chose to go off on his own tangent. One thing to point out. This was something the great Master, MMY used to do constantly. It was one of his defining characteristics. Would you care to comment on Tart's assertion that duality it ultimately a mirage, and that the true reality is one of unity? You know I'm not the one to have dry intellectual discussions. Words don't mean anything but yes its unity and Unity doesn't exclude duality. In fact one in Unity is engaged with duality with much more fervor and intensity than one who has not, hence Lord Krishna is treated as a purna avatar( a complete or a perfect manifestation of Unity). Buddhism is a great but arduous path, not for everyone, only for a few who have the great intellect combined with proper discrimination, say someone like Judy. Buddhism, unfortunately has become a great refuge of all the mentally masturbating, Western intellectuals because it gives a great satisfaction to the ego and nothing but pseudo spirituality. God I'm itching to talk, I'm really going to go after these idiots..:-) Or does he need follow some dialogue protocal before we can comment on that? Sure there is no protocol but like Judy said he is being totally obnoxious, he should start a separate thread and may be add a paragraph referencing his opinions on people calling
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson
Thank you Ravi...your post to Obba, btw, has strains of a Rumi poem. It's quite beautiful. I'm sure I'm over my limit, or within a post or two, so I am going to stay away and practice sitting next week. I'm wiped out by all my intensity over the last few days...although I enjoyed playing in the playground. From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson Dear Denise, No problem I appreciate your views and sure - it doesn't work for everyone. But you know what, like you said there's definitely lot to others to choose from. Pre-awakening in the depths of misery I tried everything I could lay hand on. ( My Guru didn't have the IAM technique then :-)). And one of them was this - this simple technique of watching your incoming breath and then outgoing breath. Incoming - life, creation - outgoing - the end death. It was fun doing the technique because you enter a stillness with the outgoing breath. So good luck !!! Love, Ravi On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:56 AM, Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com wrote: Ravi, I was actually talking about Buddhism as there is a large body of information targeting the ignorant masses looking for a different spiritual practice. It has been dumbed down and I'm not clear that benefit could not be gained by cherry-picking some of the techniques, regardless of whether one delves more deeply into the complexities of Buddhism. It's free and seems more above-board in this respect. I disagree that people don't appreciate things they receive for free and the commitment comes from inside, in all regards. I just keep believing that it doesn't matter so much what tradition is followed if one's intention and practice serve to meet one's personal needs. For me, for example, if I just simply sit and breathe for 30 minutes and focus on my breath, which is the simplest of things to do, I start to calm down. If that is all I ever manage, it may not get me to an altered state or higher level of consciousness, but it might improve the quality of my life still. I do agree that there is likely more to be gained from more in-depth study and participation in a spiritual practice of one's choosing. I bought an Macbook Pro and paid extra for the hand-holding contract piece, but I don't find that I feel particularly special, just poorer. From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson Hmm..Denise I'm confused - you must be referring to TM while I was talking about Buddhism. As far as I can see, there is value in TM charging money - one people never appreciate anything they receive for free, secondly they put more effort since they have paid it and thirdly it makes them feel special, much like buying an Apple product which is very helpful in initial stages. On Nov 6, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com wrote: snip Buddhism is a great but arduous path, not for everyone, only for a few who have the great intellect combined with proper discrimination I don't see why it has to be so complicated or why one has to buy in fullyI think there may be value in practicing principles and techniques that can be spoon-fed to the masses...like Yogurt-lite. From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson On Nov 6, 2011, at 10:21 AM, seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I understand what you are saying. I'll be honest. I skim so lightly whatever Nabby says, that I really can't say what Tart was responding to. But I liked Tart's response. Evidently he was choosing not to respond directly to something Nabby said, and chose to go off on his own tangent. One thing to point out. This was something the great Master, MMY used to do constantly. It was one of his defining characteristics. Would you care to comment on Tart's assertion that duality it ultimately a mirage, and that the true reality is one of unity? You know I'm not the one to have dry intellectual discussions. Words don't mean anything but yes its unity and Unity doesn't exclude duality. In fact one in Unity is engaged with duality with much more fervor and intensity than one who has not, hence Lord Krishna is treated as a purna avatar( a complete or a perfect manifestation of Unity). Buddhism is a great but arduous path, not for everyone, only for a few who have the great intellect
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson
No worries I did notice you on the top of the Post Count, chatty Kathy huh..LOL..my response to Obba was in essence my story of what happened to me :-) On Nov 7, 2011, at 1:15 AM, Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you Ravi...your post to Obba, btw, has strains of a Rumi poem. It's quite beautiful. I'm sure I'm over my limit, or within a post or two, so I am going to stay away and practice sitting next week. I'm wiped out by all my intensity over the last few days...although I enjoyed playing in the playground. From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson Dear Denise, No problem I appreciate your views and sure - it doesn't work for everyone. But you know what, like you said there's definitely lot to others to choose from. Pre-awakening in the depths of misery I tried everything I could lay hand on. ( My Guru didn't have the IAM technique then :-)). And one of them was this - this simple technique of watching your incoming breath and then outgoing breath. Incoming - life, creation - outgoing - the end death. It was fun doing the technique because you enter a stillness with the outgoing breath. So good luck !!! Love, Ravi On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:56 AM, Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com wrote: Ravi, I was actually talking about Buddhism as there is a large body of information targeting the ignorant masses looking for a different spiritual practice. It has been dumbed down and I'm not clear that benefit could not be gained by cherry-picking some of the techniques, regardless of whether one delves more deeply into the complexities of Buddhism. It's free and seems more above-board in this respect. I disagree that people don't appreciate things they receive for free and the commitment comes from inside, in all regards. I just keep believing that it doesn't matter so much what tradition is followed if one's intention and practice serve to meet one's personal needs. For me, for example, if I just simply sit and breathe for 30 minutes and focus on my breath, which is the simplest of things to do, I start to calm down. If that is all I ever manage, it may not get me to an altered state or higher level of consciousness, but it might improve the quality of my life still. I do agree that there is likely more to be gained from more in-depth study and participation in a spiritual practice of one's choosing. I bought an Macbook Pro and paid extra for the hand-holding contract piece, but I don't find that I feel particularly special, just poorer. From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson Hmm..Denise I'm confused - you must be referring to TM while I was talking about Buddhism. As far as I can see, there is value in TM charging money - one people never appreciate anything they receive for free, secondly they put more effort since they have paid it and thirdly it makes them feel special, much like buying an Apple product which is very helpful in initial stages. On Nov 6, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com wrote: snip Buddhism is a great but arduous path, not for everyone, only for a few who have the great intellect combined with proper discrimination I don't see why it has to be so complicated or why one has to buy in fullyI think there may be value in practicing principles and techniques that can be spoon-fed to the masses...like Yogurt-lite. From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson On Nov 6, 2011, at 10:21 AM, seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I understand what you are saying. I'll be honest. I skim so lightly whatever Nabby says, that I really can't say what Tart was responding to. But I liked Tart's response. Evidently he was choosing not to respond directly to something Nabby said, and chose to go off on his own tangent. One thing to point out. This was something the great Master, MMY used to do constantly. It was one of his defining characteristics. Would you care to comment on Tart's assertion that duality it ultimately a mirage, and that the true reality is one of unity? You know I'm not the one to have dry intellectual discussions. Words don't mean anything but yes its unity and Unity doesn't exclude duality. In fact one in Unity is engaged with duality with much more fervor and intensity than one who
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
On Nov 6, 2011, at 9:56 PM, johnt johnlasher20002...@yahoo.com wrote: Then what is it saying. Be precise I value tradition in the sense that it preserves elements that are life supporting, it doesn't tell me how it works. That's what modern psychologists are only beginning to try and do do. Vedic masters were masters of what's now becoming NLP, however people just parroting what they heard doesn't show understanding. So how do you square the fact that Mahesh was not an actual student of SBS and the fact that TM is a perversion of the purity of what Guru Dev taught? How important could you value the Shank. tradition if you're supporting a distortion and an nonlineal tradition? Or are you just ignoring it and playing pretend?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:58 PM, johnt johnlasher20002...@yahoo.com wrote: You never will in a TM context, but if you study some of Milton Erickson, Bandler and Grinder and other related sources you will find that each part of a TM initiation has a well studied neurolinguistic effect which in this case is very effective at producing a self transcending accessing cue which accesses an experience at a primal (original) level prior to subsequent conditioning It's called the placebo effect silly. We actually now know where the TM puja came from and what sources the puja was hobbled together from. It's from a pundits poem that Mahesh was told to throw away. There's nothing magical about it at all - unless you believe it is. But it does not come from a real lineal tradition, it's something Mahesh made up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reality Distortion Field: from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: I'm sure I'm over my limit, or within a post or two, so I am going to stay away and practice sitting next week. Looks to me like this post was your 50th of the week. Don't post any more until Friday evening, after the post count.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blues
Holy Mackerel Fish! Mother Ganges! You get to take the pot! I lay my cards down. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Dear Obba, Sorry couldn't get to it right away but thank you for your comments. A true lover shows all his cards to his beloved. He will get hurt sooner or later because he is totally vulnerable to the beloved. And the other can never provide the true love, can never fulfill his deep longing and intensity of love. In the pain, suffering of being hurt, albeit imaginary, he touches the deep core in his intensity, inadvertently stumbling and opening the perennial source of love within - which now gushes out and completely douses him. Like the Mother Ganges.. Now he still shows all the cards but he cannot be hurt anymore because he is being powered by the unconditional love within. Love, Ravi. On Nov 5, 2011, at 5:48 AM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Humble intrusion (invasion of privacy) on this open forum: Ravi, it appears you just skinned the cat and declawed its protection mechanisms. You lay raw on this post, vulnerable to the vultures, hyenas and seagulls. On the other hand, animal sacrifices (from a particular book of sutras, for which appear to make no sense.)Krishna is not cheating on Radha. Most (male or female), who express love to the other party (male or female)gives full expression of unity when this occurs. When people say they cannot commit, it is usually because they have not found the source of union of completeness giving wholeness? Most men would never admit their fidelity at poker game chat, smoke, beer, cards. You sir, hold the poker face at this one. :P --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Dear Robin, You message is so beautiful and so remarkable that I have really savored it many times for my narcissistic pleasure. That's why I have so much admiration - not only you have the sharpest intellect but a very keen insight, intuitive, sensitive and heart centered, a rare combination indeed !! No wonder I referred to you as a prodigal pimp - it was a praise as well. Maharishi did a great service by explaining the higher states of consciousness. I OTOH had zero knowledge on these and any lay poster here on FFL seemed to have more knowledge than me. However it can be a drawback as well, but I guess you are one of the prodigies from the MMY era. It would be great if you can end the battles with all things Eastern and the Vedic gods because you would be an awesome teacher. So the remarkable insight you have provided is amazing. I took some heat for mentioning in my Batgap interview that I could only marry a woman who would treat me as a Guru - I actually said this for the first time in my lufe and during the interview and it kind of baffled me later as to why I even said it. It took me a while to make sense of it but you lay it out remarkably well. I have a hard time finding a woman because for one because post-awakening I can't cheat i.e. I'm brutally honest when I talk about myself and second it would need a woman, for her own sanity, to completely trust me to have a relationship with me since I'm so unpredictable. But I'm very loyal and would rather masturbate than cheat or abuse a woman. So I'm perplexed when I hear about gurus sleeping with multiple women and abusing them. Even pre-awakening when I got mad at my ex after she left me to go to India again despite my protests, I solicited prostitutes on CL for a while till I felt disgusted with the foolishness of what I was doing. Even then I went to the same woman every single time since it was never about just sex or having multiple partners. But you are right in a way no one can truly have a relationship with me. I feel untouched, untainted and unperturbed by anything outside of me. But trust me I will shower lot of love and attention as well :-) On your other comments I feel everyone is unique and the gurus are here to just enable us to find our uniqueness. I never would want you to amend your comments unless you felt moved to do so, that would be very dishonest for me to do since I myself never yielded unwillingly to anyone in my life. Thanks for you other comments, no one could have stated any better including myself. Love, Ravi On Nov 4, 2011, at 1:42 AM, maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Dear Ravi, You are the only human being I have come across where I can unequivocally say: you are who and what you are supposed to be. This Eastern mystical thing works for you, even in your naughty and audacious and mocking ways. I have never sensed another self other than the one you project and act out of.
[FairfieldLife] Greenhouse gases rise by record amount
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/nov/04/greenhouse-gases- rise-record-levels Greenhouse gases rise by record amount Levels of greenhouse gases are higher than the worst case scenario outlined by climate experts just four years ago Associated Press The global output of heat-trapping carbon dioxide has jumped by a record amount, according to the US department of energy, a sign of how feeble the world's efforts are at slowing man-made global warming. The figures for 2010 mean that levels of greenhouse gases are higher than the worst case scenario outlined by climate experts just four years ago. (...)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greenhouse gases rise by record amount
Yay! More banana trees! More plants! We get to eat! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/nov/04/greenhouse-gases- rise-record-levels Greenhouse gases rise by record amount Levels of greenhouse gases are higher than the worst case scenario outlined by climate experts just four years ago Associated Press The global output of heat-trapping carbon dioxide has jumped by a record amount, according to the US department of energy, a sign of how feeble the world's efforts are at slowing man-made global warming. The figures for 2010 mean that levels of greenhouse gases are higher than the worst case scenario outlined by climate experts just four years ago. (...)
[FairfieldLife] Yo Denise!
I thought starting a thread for all to post a little something for Denise to read while she is on vacation. The weather is good, the water is fine, wish you were here. Here are memories from your childhood riding in your parents car... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXdNnw99-Ic
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greenhouse gases rise by record amount
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/nov/04/greenhouse-gases- rise-record-levels Greenhouse gases rise by record amount Levels of greenhouse gases are higher than the worst case scenario outlined by climate experts just four years ago Associated Press The global output of heat-trapping carbon dioxide has jumped by a record amount, according to the US department of energy, a sign of how feeble the world's efforts are at slowing man-made global warming. The figures for 2010 mean that levels of greenhouse gases are higher than the worst case scenario outlined by climate experts just four years ago. (...) Does this mean Al Gore's doomsday clock springs forward? See below: http://motls.blogspot.com/2004/10/al-gores-doomsday-countdown.html
[FairfieldLife] Obama's effigy finally surfaces at OWS.
I think we're finally beginning to get the picture, these same folks voted for Obama so they can't protest against him. Additionally he is subtly supporting them, costing local governments millions of dollars, merely for his political advantage. Obama has shown absolutely NO leadership on this issue and it's going to come tumbling down around him sooner or later, and rightly so! http://news.yahoo.com/photos/giant-effigy-u-president-obama-held-people-affiliated-photo-212714601.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:58 PM, johnt wrote: You never will in a TM context, but if you study some of Milton Erickson, Bandler and Grinder and other related sources you will find that each part of a TM initiation has a well studied neurolinguistic effect which in this case is very effective at producing a self transcending accessing cue which accesses an experience at a primal (original) level prior to subsequent conditioning It's called the placebo effect silly. I thought the placebo effect tended to go away after a few weeks. I've been getting results from the TM puja for 34 years. It stills my mind. I recite it often, for that purpose.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Yo Denise!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOyebcrVWb4NR=1 From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:22:12 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Yo Denise! I thought starting a thread for all to post a little something for Denise to read while she is on vacation. The weather is good, the water is fine, wish you were here. Here are memories from your childhood riding in your parents car... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXdNnw99-Ic
Re: [FairfieldLife] Yo Denise!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-5V2ZbX4i4feature=related From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:22:12 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Yo Denise! I thought starting a thread for all to post a little something for Denise to read while she is on vacation. The weather is good, the water is fine, wish you were here. Here are memories from your childhood riding in your parents car... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXdNnw99-Ic
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
On Nov 7, 2011, at 10:17 AM, jpgillam wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:58 PM, johnt wrote: You never will in a TM context, but if you study some of Milton Erickson, Bandler and Grinder and other related sources you will find that each part of a TM initiation has a well studied neurolinguistic effect which in this case is very effective at producing a self transcending accessing cue which accesses an experience at a primal (original) level prior to subsequent conditioning It's called the placebo effect silly. I thought the placebo effect tended to go away after a few weeks. I've been getting results from the TM puja for 34 years. It stills my mind. I recite it often, for that purpose. The way we know the TM puja and initiation process acts like a placebo is because independent researchers fabricated a faux-TM instruction and were able to get the exact same results as TM - the same EEG profile and relaxation response, everything. So it's not the mantra at all, it's the inculcation of belief. The puja is dramatic and convincing to most types of people who self-select based on the intro lecture (and we actually know what types of people self-select TM).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Yo Denise!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlZRcxvGIWEfeature=related From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:22:12 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Yo Denise! I thought starting a thread for all to post a little something for Denise to read while she is on vacation. The weather is good, the water is fine, wish you were here. Here are memories from your childhood riding in your parents car... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXdNnw99-Ic
[FairfieldLife] Re: Greenhouse gases rise by record amount
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/nov/04/greenhouse-gases- rise-record-levels Greenhouse gases rise by record amount Levels of greenhouse gases are higher than the worst case scenario outlined by climate experts just four years ago Associated Press The global output of heat-trapping carbon dioxide has jumped by a record amount, according to the US department of energy, a sign of how feeble the world's efforts are at slowing man-made global warming. The figures for 2010 mean that levels of greenhouse gases are higher than the worst case scenario outlined by climate experts just four years ago. (...) China and the United States are the worst.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@... wrote: You never will in a TM context, but if you study some of Milton Erickson, Bandler and Grinder and other related sources you will find that each part of a TM initiation has a well studied neurolinguistic effect Did Erickson and Bandler and Grinder study the effects of TM initiation specifically, i.e., with the initiate hooked up to an EEG machine? If not, then you're just speculatively extrapolating, and not very convincingly. From what I understand, brainwave entrainment has been studied only using very regular sound frequencies, usually machine- generated, as the stimulus. The passing of the mantra from teacher to initiate in TM doesn't involve anything remotely near that regular. That is, if the mantra is even passed at all, rather than the teacher enlivening, or simply calling the student's attention to, a frequency already present in the student's mind. That sounds like what you're suggesting here: which in this case is very effective at producing a self transcending accessing cue which accesses an experience at a primal (original) level prior to subsequent conditioning. But this doesn't necessarily involve entrainment per se.(*) I'm in total agreement with Wilber, by the way, about the possibility of understanding religious/spiritual experience in either a mythical or a scientific context (the mythical context being a metaphorical version of the scientific one, when we finally figure out what the latter is). MMY offered both kinds of understanding (even if his nonmythical understanding was only quasi-scientific) and obviously enjoyed the mythical one himself. So I'm not at all opposed to the attempt to understand the process of TM in nonmythical terms. I just don't think the entrainment idea is sufficiently developed or studied to be cited as the definitive approach. - (*) My own theory--not anything MMY ever discussed, as far as I'm aware--is that the mantra sounds live at the most subtle levels of the mind as devata, the processes of knowing. When the TM teacher calls the student's attention to one of them, it becomes chhandas, an object of knowledge. When we meditate, entertaining the mantra involves using that process of knowing (the mantra sound as devata) to *know itself* as that object of knowledge (the mantra sound as chhandas). That creates a feedback loop, like when a microphone apparatus picks up its own sound and magnifies it, only in this case it's a *negative* feedback loop, becoming (as it were) smaller and smaller until it extinguishes itself, leaving the mind without any distinctions between Rishi, the Knower; devata, the process of knowing; and chhandas, the object of knowledge. That's obviously a horrendously crude description of a very vague concept, but I think it's at least potentially consistent with both the experience of TM and MMY's formulation of the Rishi/devata/chhandas structure of consciousness. Of course science hasn't identified any such thing as processes of knowing consisting of subtle sound frequencies at the basis of the mind, so this is even more wildly speculative than the entrainment theory. But if I were a neuroscientist, it's an angle I'd want to pursue. Nope. It's not necessarily what *TM* is, either. I don't know where johnt picked up this purported explanation, but I've never encountered it in the TM context. From: johnt johnlasher20002000@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK Why TM can't be learned from a book A TM initiation alters the brainwave pattern of the one performing the puja. When the teacher then passes on the mantra to the person learning meditation he also passes on a brainwave state by a process know in neurophysiology as entrainment. Brainwave entrainment or brainwave synchronization, is any practice that aims to cause brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state. This is only one of the Neuro effects of a TM initiation which is a very well crafted design of several which lead to a self transcending effect of the mantra.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's effigy finally surfaces at OWS.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u anitaoaks4u@... wrote: I think we're finally beginning to get the picture, these same folks voted for Obama so they can't protest against him. Obviously they can and do. What do you think the effigy is all about? Additionally he is subtly supporting them, costing local governments millions of dollars, merely for his political advantage. Some believe he's playing both ends against the middle, supporting Wall Street with his policies to ensure a supply of campaign funds while supporting the protesters to gain votes. Obama has shown absolutely NO leadership on this issue and it's going to come tumbling down around him sooner or later, and rightly so! Not likely to prevent his reelection, given the appallingly poor quality of the Republican candidates. http://news.yahoo.com/photos/giant-effigy-u-president-obama-held-people-affiliated-photo-212714601.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lemony Snicket on Occupy Wall Street
Bhairitu: If the bankers win I hope the 39% enjoy the pain and suffering of the tyranny. Now one can understand how Hitler came to power. It really is playing out just like Animal Farm, isn't it? Instead, those present discussed how they could commandeer the $500,000 for their new, more exclusive organization. No, this was not the meeting of any traditional influence on Wall Street. These were six of the leaders of Occupy Wall Street (OWS)... A Chill Descends On Occupy Wall Street: 'The Leaders of the allegedly Leaderless Movement' http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=vaaid=27479
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lemony Snicket on Occupy Wall Street
turquoiseb: 13 pithy comments from an author on the ramifications of the OWS protestors storming the ramparts. 5 reasons why income inequality is a myth: If inequality had really exploded during the past 30 to 40 years, why did American politics simultaneously move rightward toward a greater embrace of free-market capitalism? Shouldn't just the opposite have happened as beleaguered workers united and demanded a vastly expanded social safety net and sharply higher taxes on the rich? What happened to presidents Mondale, Dukakis, Gore and Kerry? Even Barack Obama ran for president as a market friendly, third-way technocrat. Nope, the story doesn't hold together because the financial facts don't support it... '5 reasons why income inequality is a myth and Occupy Wall Street is wrong' http://tinyurl.com/63f6ukv
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's effigy finally surfaces at OWS.
wgm4u: I think we're finally beginning to get the picture, these same folks voted for Obama so they can't protest against him... The news that 175 people were arrested over the weekend in a Chicago OWS protest started me thinking about the ritualized nature of left demonstrations. The drums, the chants, the defiance, the arrests and, sometimes, the glass smashing and the fire setting: it all unfolds according to a predictable pattern that in its modern form is essentially unchanged since the Vietnam War. The Vain And Empty Rituals Of Protest On The Streets: http://tinyurl.com/6xjqohj
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 10:17 AM, jpgillam wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:58 PM, johnt wrote: You never will in a TM context, but if you study some of Milton Erickson, Bandler and Grinder and other related sources you will find that each part of a TM initiation has a well studied neurolinguistic effect which in this case is very effective at producing a self transcending accessing cue which accesses an experience at a primal (original) level prior to subsequent conditioning It's called the placebo effect silly. I thought the placebo effect tended to go away after a few weeks. I've been getting results from the TM puja for 34 years. It stills my mind. I recite it often, for that purpose. The way we know the TM puja and initiation process acts like a placebo is because independent researchers fabricated a faux-TM instruction and were able to get the exact same results as TM - the same EEG profile and relaxation response, everything. Somebody needs to ask Vaj to document this claim. Exact same results may not be quite as cut-and-dried as Vaj would like us to believe. Plus which, how long were those instructed by this faux method followed to see if they *continued* to get the purported exact same results? Also, of course, it's not responsive to Patrick's experience of getting the same results for 34 years from *performing* the puja. So it's not the mantra at all, it's the inculcation of belief. The puja is dramatic and convincing to most types of people Convincing of *what*? As Vaj knows (or should know), the significance of the puja is rather strenuously *downplayed* at the introductory level. who self-select based on the intro lecture (and we actually know what types of people self-select TM). Again, Vaj needs to be asked to document his assertions. What types of people are they, and how do we know this? Vaj has a tendency to make sweeping assertions like this; but on the rare occasions when you can get him to provide documentation, it has often turned out that the basis for the assertions is not quite as unequivocal as he makes it sound.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Occupy the Domes!!
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 7:55 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Occupy the Domes!! Up at Occupy the Domes in the Dome parking lot someone told me they will no longer go inside the dome to meditate because they visit saints. The Rajas have not changed that policy guideline so this person is not going to stop seeing the saints and hence is not going to go inside to meditate anymore. Is a long time TM-movement person. Has a valid dome badge and just stopped going. A friend of mine just got turned down for the same reason. She said to the course office guy that if they kicked out all the people who see saints, they'd have very few left. He admitted that was true, but said they have to boot the ones they know about. In other words, machine guns still firing at the movement's feet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yo Denise!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlZRcxvGIWEfeature=related Man, they are the absolute ultimate masters of deadpan. I don't know how they all manage to keep straight faces. And they prove what I've said here a number of times: The closer to reality, the better the satire.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lemony Snicket on Occupy Wall Street
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: turquoiseb: 13 pithy comments from an author on the ramifications of the OWS protestors storming the ramparts. 5 reasons why income inequality is a myth: Reprising my post from last Tuesday, which Willytex apparently didn't see... Thoroughly refuted here, with links: http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/10/yes-indeed-income-inequality-really-growing Money quote from Matt O'Brien after talking to the economist whose paper was (mis)used at Willytex's link to attempt to discredit income equality: Consider the research and writing of Robert Gordon, a professor of social sciences at Northwestern University. He has done pioneering work questioning the extent of the aforementioned gap between productivity and median wageswork that Pethokoukis misappropriates to claim that income gains have been shared 'fairly equally.' Gordon found that the productivity gap may be about a tenth the size as what is commonly thought, but, as he told me, that doesn't negate the story about runaway wealth at the top of the income distribution. The evidence on the long-term increase of inequality within the bottom 99 percent is ambiguous and complex, but what stands out like a searchlight is the unprecedented and increasing inequality between the bottom 99 percent and the top 1 percent, Gordon told me. If inequality had really exploded during the past 30 to 40 years, why did American politics simultaneously move rightward toward a greater embrace of free-market capitalism? Shouldn't just the opposite have happened as beleaguered workers united and demanded a vastly expanded social safety net and sharply higher taxes on the rich? What happened to presidents Mondale, Dukakis, Gore and Kerry? Even Barack Obama ran for president as a market friendly, third-way technocrat. Nope, the story doesn't hold together because the financial facts don't support it... '5 reasons why income inequality is a myth and Occupy Wall Street is wrong' http://tinyurl.com/63f6ukv
[FairfieldLife] Self-Knowledge for Knuckleheads
dear friends, please check-out page 1, the Cover Page, of my new 'play' called'The Sense of Solidness: The Mystic Physics of Shiva's Shakras'. the play is 25 pages, and i'm hoping to post it on the 'photos' page, one page at a time over the next month or so. if you'd like to see the entire play, please visit my website athttp://brickheadsanonymous.wordpress.com/ i hope you enjoy it. your feedback is always welcome, either here or on my facebook page, http://www.facebook.com/baxishta, or by email to b...@games.com. bax
[FairfieldLife] Self-Knowledge for Knuckleheads - this time with the link to the photo!
dear friends, please check-out page 1, the Cover Page, of my new 'play' called'The Sense of Solidness: The Mystic Physics of Shiva's Shakras'. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/977226026/pic/8\ 44247254/view?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=1count=20dir=asc http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/977226026/pic/\ 844247254/view?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=1count=20dir=asc the play is 25 pages, and i'm hoping to post it on the 'photos' page, one page at a time over the next month or so. if you'd like to see the entire play, please visit my website athttp://brickheadsanonymous.wordpress.com/ i hope you enjoy it. your feedback is always welcome, either here or on my facebook page, http://www.facebook.com/baxishta, or by email to b...@games.com. bax
Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama's effigy finally surfaces at OWS.
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 9:45 AM, wgm4u anitaoak...@att.net wrote: I think we're finally beginning to get the picture, these same folks voted for Obama so they can't protest against him. Additionally he is subtly supporting them, costing local governments millions of dollars, merely for his political advantage. Obama has shown absolutely NO leadership on this issue and it's going to come tumbling down around him sooner or later, and rightly so! http://news.yahoo.com/photos/giant-effigy-u-president-obama-held-people-affiliated-photo-212714601.html That is not an effigy. That's a leftover from the Columbus Day parade. And a good likeness of him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
This is the usual disinformation from Vag, the master of misanthropic subterfuge. Here are the reality of the TM Puja: Acharya Vandana Puja sourced and translated by Paul Mason: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/TMpuja.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: We actually now know where the TM puja came from and what sources the puja was hobbled together from. It's from a pundits poem that Mahesh was told to throw away. There's nothing magical about it at all - unless you believe it is. But it does not come from a real lineal tradition, it's something Mahesh made up.
[FairfieldLife] Self-Knowledge for Knuckleheads - page 2 of 25: At the Movies with the 3 Stooges
dear friends, please check-out page 2, 'At the Movies with the 3 Spiritual Stooges'. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/977226026/pic/9\ 94766855/view?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=1count=20dir=asc http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/977226026/pic/\ 994766855/view?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=1count=20dir=asc if you'd like to see the entire play, please visit my website athttp://brickheadsanonymous.wordpress.com/ i hope you enjoy it. your feedback is always welcome, either here or on my facebook page, http://www.facebook.com/baxishta, or by email to b...@games.com. bax
[FairfieldLife] Re: Occupy the Domes!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 7:55 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Occupy the Domes!! Up at Occupy the Domes in the Dome parking lot someone told me they will no longer go inside the dome to meditate because they visit saints. The Rajas have not changed that policy guideline so this person is not going to stop seeing the saints and hence is not going to go inside to meditate anymore. Is a long time TM-movement person. Has a valid dome badge and just stopped going. A friend of mine just got turned down for the same reason. She said to the course office guy that if they kicked out all the people who see saints, they'd have very few left. He admitted that was true, but said they have to boot the ones they know about. In other words, machine guns still firing at the movement's feet. Oh could not help myself with posting this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartholomew's_Day_massacre
[FairfieldLife] Self-Knowledge for Knuckleheads - page 3: A Classification System for Seekers
dear friends, please check-out page 3, 'Separate, Sequential Simultaneous: A Classification System for Spiritual Seekers'. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/977226026/pic/9\ 99252613/view?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=1count=20dir=asc http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/977226026/pic/\ 999252613/view?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=1count=20dir=asc if you'd like to see the entire play, please visit my website athttp://brickheadsanonymous.wordpress.com/ i hope you enjoy it. your feedback is always welcome, either here or on my facebook page, http://www.facebook.com/baxishta, or by email to b...@games.com. bax
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lemony Snicket on Occupy Wall Street
On 11/07/2011 08:04 AM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: Bhairitu: If the bankers win I hope the 39% enjoy the pain and suffering of the tyranny. Now one can understand how Hitler came to power. It really is playing out just like Animal Farm, isn't it? Instead, those present discussed how they could commandeer the $500,000 for their new, more exclusive organization. No, this was not the meeting of any traditional influence on Wall Street. These were six of the leaders of Occupy Wall Street (OWS)... A Chill Descends On Occupy Wall Street: 'The Leaders of the allegedly Leaderless Movement' http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=vaaid=27479 Definitely the right wing, corporate America and idiots do not like the Occupy movement. Tough shit.
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: 300 More SuperMonday Morning !
Begin forwarded message: From: Einar Olsen fountains...@gmail.com Dear Fellow Sidhas, This morning an additional 300 Yogic Flyers came to Group Program in the Domes, Maharishi Vedic City halls, and other campus program halls ! This took us over the square root of 1% for the U.S. in the morning for the first time since the Summer WPAs years ago (the square root of 1% is currently 1767, and at least 1775 came). Many people spoke of the greatly increased value of their program experience this morning with high numbers, and what it would be like to have this experience every morning. Tonight, we have a good chance of surpassing our national Superadiance requirement of 2,000, even though Pandit numbers are less at this time. We hope you can come this evening and enjoy the experience, bring your Sidha friends, and build on the fun and momentum. Jai Guru Dev, Einar and Mary Cathryn -- Dr. Einar Olsen PO 1751 Fairfield, IA 52556 641-469-2002
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
Vaj: ...it does not come from a real lineal tradition, it's something Mahesh made up. What exactly, are the parts by MMY that are different from those recited by GD? From what I've heard, the MMY GD puja is standard - I've heard it recited by at least three sources other than the TMO, such as at a recent Sri Sri Ravi Shankar yoga camp. Sri Sri says it's the same as the one recited by GD, the one recited at the Jyortirmath Peeth in the Himalayas. Recording of Guru Dev reciting 'Guru Pranam': http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/TMpuja.htm Subject: aavaahanam Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Author: ekihki Date: September 10, 2000 3:43 am http://tinyurl.com/7cvywve The Holy Tradition eki âvâhanam nârâyanaM padmabhavaM vashiSThaM shaktim ca tatputra parasharam ca vyâsaM shukam gauDapadaM mahântaM govinda yogîndra mathâsya shiSyam | shrî shankarâcâryamathâsya padmapâdan ca hastâmalakan ca shiSyam taM troTakam vârtikakâram anyânasmad gurûn santatamânato 'smi || shruti-smRti-purâNânam âlayam karuNâlayam | namâmi bhagavat-pâdam shankaraM lokashankaram || shankaraM shankarâcâryaM keshvaM bâdarâyaNam | sûtra-bhâSya-kRtau vande bhagavantau punaH punaH || yad-dvâre nikhilâ nilimpa-pariSad siddhiM vidhatte 'nisham shrîmat-shrî-lasitaM jagadgurupadaM natvâtmatRptiM gatâH | lokâjñâna payoDa-pâTân-dhuraM shrî shankaram sharmadaM brahmânanda sarasvatîm guruvaraM dhyâyâmi jyotirmayam || Transliterated from the Sanskrit by Borje Mullquist
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lemony Snicket on Occupy Wall Street
A Chill Descends On Occupy Wall Street: 'The Leaders of the allegedly Leaderless Movement' http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=vaaid=27479 . Bhairitu: Definitely the right wing, corporate America and idiots do not like the Occupy movement... So, what do you think the OWS leaders will do with all the money? Put it in a bank? LoL! If the bankers win I hope the 39% enjoy the pain and suffering of the tyranny. Now one can understand how Hitler came to power. It really is playing out just like Animal Farm, isn't it? Instead, those present discussed how they could commandeer the $500,000 for their new, more exclusive organization. No, this was not the meeting of any traditional influence on Wall Street. These were six of the leaders of Occupy Wall Street (OWS)...
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
emptybill: This is the usual disinformation from Vag, the master of misanthropic subterfuge. Here are the reality of the TM Puja: It looks like we've got another fib by Vaj, but why would he be fibbing, when it's so easy to source the material? Go figure. Acharya Vandana Puja sourced and translated by Paul Mason: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/TMpuja.htm We actually now know where the TM puja came from and what sources the puja was hobbled together from. It's from a pundits poem that Mahesh was told to throw away. There's nothing magical about it at all - unless you believe it is. But it does not come from a real lineal tradition, it's something Mahesh made up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lemony Snicket on Occupy Wall Street
13 pithy comments from an author on the ramifications of the OWS protestors storming the ramparts. 5 reasons why income inequality is a myth: authfriend: Reprising my post from last Tuesday, which Willytex apparently didn't see... Thoroughly refuted here, with links: So, if inequality had really exploded during the past 30 to 40 years, why did American politics simultaneously move rightward toward a greater embrace of free-market capitalism? http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/10/yes-indeed-income-inequality-really-growing Money quote from Matt O'Brien after talking to the economist whose paper was (mis)used at Willytex's link to attempt to discredit income equality: Consider the research and writing of Robert Gordon, a professor of social sciences at Northwestern University. He has done pioneering work questioning the extent of the aforementioned gap between productivity and median wageswork that Pethokoukis misappropriates to claim that income gains have been shared 'fairly equally.' Gordon found that the productivity gap may be about a tenth the size as what is commonly thought, but, as he told me, that doesn't negate the story about runaway wealth at the top of the income distribution. The evidence on the long-term increase of inequality within the bottom 99 percent is ambiguous and complex, but what stands out like a searchlight is the unprecedented and increasing inequality between the bottom 99 percent and the top 1 percent, Gordon told me. If inequality had really exploded during the past 30 to 40 years, why did American politics simultaneously move rightward toward a greater embrace of free-market capitalism? Shouldn't just the opposite have happened as beleaguered workers united and demanded a vastly expanded social safety net and sharply higher taxes on the rich? What happened to presidents Mondale, Dukakis, Gore and Kerry? Even Barack Obama ran for president as a market friendly, third-way technocrat. Nope, the story doesn't hold together because the financial facts don't support it... '5 reasons why income inequality is a myth and Occupy Wall Street is wrong' http://tinyurl.com/63f6ukv
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:25 PM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: emptybill: This is the usual disinformation from Vag, the master of misanthropic subterfuge. Here are the reality of the TM Puja: It looks like we've got another fib by Vaj, but why would he be fibbing, when it's so easy to source the material? Go figure. What did you think I was referring to? Gosh you guys are dim.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lemony Snicket on Occupy Wall Street
On 11/07/2011 09:21 AM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: A Chill Descends On Occupy Wall Street: 'The Leaders of the allegedly Leaderless Movement' http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=vaaid=27479 . Bhairitu: Definitely the right wing, corporate America and idiots do not like the Occupy movement... So, what do you think the OWS leaders will do with all the money? Put it in a bank? LoL! No, a credit union. Actually they've been buying TV ads. What are your so afraid of anyway? Change? Didn't you learn from MMY that change is inevitable? Scared little Texan, some Zen master you are.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
The first thing any research needs to do is to learn the procedures and they won't do that so they'll always be spectators and draw false conclusions. Shakti is simply life force, a concept beyond the ability of contemporary science to understand. One should also look into the yoga of sound and understand how sound effects people, not in an NLP way but a vibratory way. It's more physics than anything else. Mantras work due to their resonance and charged they work faster than when they're not. You'll see in books the instruction where one must repeat a certain mantra 100,000 times to get results. But that's from the book and if give by a guru it may take only 100 repetitions. On 11/06/2011 09:22 PM, johnt wrote: No one can explain what the shakti energy is yet but they certainly agree it can be passed on through the process known as entrainment. There is some early research that may indicate that shakti can be seen on kirlian photography and others can be seen being entrained by it, but it's still early in the process of understanding. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: I'm talking about shakti which is an energy. You should be experiencing it when you meditate. I can transfer that energy to someone else without saying a word, just by touching them. So explain that by NLP. You can't. They are going down the wrong road though they wouldn't be the first researchers to do that by any means. ;-) On 11/06/2011 06:56 PM, johnt wrote: Then what is it saying. Be precise I value tradition in the sense that it preserves elements that are life supporting, it doesn't tell me how it works. That's what modern psychologists are only beginning to try and do do. Vedic masters were masters of what's now becoming NLP, however people just parroting what they heard doesn't show understanding. What exactly do YOU mean by charged --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: Oh yes it does. Centuries of tantrics and yogis would argue with you on that. These guys you are talking about are blind men feeling an elephant. :-D On 11/06/2011 06:00 PM, johnt wrote: charge is a nice ooga booga term that says nothing. It's only part of philosophy not science unless you understand it in the sense of Rupert sheldrake' morphic field, in which case your saying the same thing I am. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@wrote: That's a wild ass theory trying to make the puja sound scientific. What the puja actually does is charge the mantra. In other traditions you are given the mantra by someone who has enough juice to charge the mantra with shakti without the need for a puja. Reciting a 3-4 minute puja takes it place. It would have taken years to create even a small army of TM teachers the traditional way. The traditional way is what Muktananda used and his instructors gave shaktipat along with the mantra. It is also the way my tantra teacher has instructed me to teach people. On 11/05/2011 11:48 PM, Denise Evans wrote: Sheeet. Is that what brainwashing is? From: johntjohnlasher20002000@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK Why TM can't be learned from a book A TM initiation alters the brainwave pattern of the one performing the puja. When the teacher then passes on the mantra to the person learning meditation he also passes on a brainwave state by a process know in neurophysiology as entrainment. Brainwave entrainment or brainwave synchronization, is any practice that aims to cause brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state. This is only one of the Neuro effects of a TM initiation which is a very well crafted design of several which lead to a self transcending effect of the mantra.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Self-Knowledge for Knuckleheads - page 3: A Classification System for Seekers
On Nov 7, 2011, at 11:01 AM, MichaelB wrote: i hope you enjoy it. your feedback is always welcome, either here or on my facebook page, http://www.facebook.com/baxishta, or by email to b...@games.com. Next time, Michael, instead of posting 4 different messages advertising 3 different things, why not just combine them all into one and save everyone, including yourself, the time it takes to delete them all or go through them on the board? And at first glance, it really looks like they're all advertising the same thing. But thanks for sharing. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Shring?
Spoiled mantras H.H. Jagadguru Swami Swaroopananda, Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math interviewed by David Sieveking Translator: When he did the TM course of Mahesh Yogi he was asked to pay $2500. He was then seated in front of Gurudev’s photo and given a mantra. He wishes to know Shankaracharyaji’s thoughts on this... Tell him your mantra... David: Shring. Translator: Shring? David: Shring...they say it is the meaningless word but I found out that it invokes... Translator: How do you spell it? David: I’ll write it for you... 2nd translator: He has also been told that the mantra has no meaning and that he simply has to recite it [mentally]. HH Swarupananda: This is not a mantra. Had it been Shrim i.e. S-H-R-I- M, then it would have been a mantra. Translator: He was given this mantra in front of Gurudev‘s photo. So he wants to know whether this has been the tradition from long time ago? HH Swarupananda: Mahesh Yogi was not a brahnman and hence did not have the right to give anybody any mantra’s hence he would place the Gurudev’s picture so as to symbolise that the mantra was being given through Gurudev. The tradition is such that the mantra is a very private and secretive conversation between a Guru and a disciple. It is said that when it goes in 6 ears the mantra’s powers are lost...it has to remain in between the two ears of the Guru and the two ears of the Shishya or disciple any other person is not to be party to it. 2nd translator: First of all this mantra was not a mantra. The procedure for giving it was a guru can give it to the shishya but as Maharishi was not a brahman maybe he was keeping a picture of Gurudev to give the mantra...but according to tradition it has to be between the 2 ears of yours and the two ears of Guru, if it goes to six ears [i.e. via a TM teacher] then its a spoiled mantra. Jai Guru Dev To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Shring?
On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Vaj wrote: Tell him your mantra... David: Shring. Translator: Shring? David: Shring...they say it is the meaningless word but I found out that it invokes… I actually like the sound of this one better than the one I got or most of the others. Kinda sounds like what a phone in India might sound like when it rings. SHRING!!! Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:25 PM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: emptybill: This is the usual disinformation from Vag, the master of misanthropic subterfuge. Here are the reality of the TM Puja: It looks like we've got another fib by Vaj, but why would he be fibbing, when it's so easy to source the material? Go figure. What did you think I was referring to? Gosh you guys are dim. Translation: Oh, jeez, emptybill caught me again. What to do? I know! I'll just pretend I *got* my disinformation from Paul Mason's site. Yeah, that's the ticket...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Shring?
On Nov 7, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Vaj wrote: Tell him your mantra... David: Shring. Translator: Shring? David: Shring...they say it is the meaningless word but I found out that it invokes… I actually like the sound of this one better than the one I got or most of the others. Kinda sounds like what a phone in India might sound like when it rings. SHRING!!! Goddess calling, will you accept the charges?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:18 PM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: Vaj: ...it does not come from a real lineal tradition, it's something Mahesh made up. What exactly, are the parts by MMY that are different from those recited by GD? From what I've heard, the MMY GD puja is standard - I've heard it recited by at least three sources other than the TMO, such as at a recent Sri Sri Ravi Shankar yoga camp. Sri Sri says it's the same as the one recited by GD, the one recited at the Jyortirmath Peeth in the Himalayas. Explain how Mahesh used what was to be thrown away to hobble together the puja: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/MMY.htm Right from the very early times, MMY definitely claimed that the meditation he teaches (TM) was taught to him by Guru Dev [a fact now known to be false]. A look at page 244 of 'Thirty Years Around the World' (a TMO publication by Maharishi Vedic University, 1986) confirms this. Allegedly on 29th April 1959 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi told journalists:- 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now impart to the world.' In the TM puja there are four lines which refer directly to Guru Dev: yadvaare nikhilaa nilimpaparishatsiddhiM vidhatte.anisham shrimat shriilasitaM jagadgurupadaM natvaa.atmatR^iptiM gataaH lokaaGYaanapayoda paaTanadhuraM shriisha~NkaraM sharmadam brahmaanandasaraswatiiM guruvaraM dhyaayaami jyotirmayam which means:- 'At whose door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night. Adorned by immeasurable glory, preceptor of the whole world, having bowed down to Him, we gain fulfilment. Skilled in dispelling the cloud of ignorance of the people, the gentle emancipator, Brahmananda Saraswati, the supreme teacher, full of brilliance, on Him we meditate.' Maharishi explains who wrote these lines:- 'This was done by us, I didn't compose those lines, because I am not a Sanskrit scholar, but this was done by a, very, very eminent Sanskrit poet of Banares, and he was, such a mysterious man, the poet 1. He used to live us, just like us, and a good pandit, and when some, some pandits, learned people used to come to pay their respects to Guru Dev, and he would sit like that. And generally it is traditional, that in the presence of Shankaracharya, pandits gather. Pandits mean the learned people, highly great intellectuals of the country. They sit together, and they, try to bring home to Shankaracharya, each one of them, that he is the greater pandit than the others. And these dialogues are so highly intellectual and so very interesting, because they, everyone wants to, to win the grace of Shankaracharya, apart from his spiritual development for their material glorification, because a certificate from the Shankaracharya, of the great learning of the pandits will make him flourish in his area. So, they, very beautiful, and this pandit he used to defeat everyone, because he was a born poet, poet. He would versify anything that he wants to say. In poetry he would speak. And when in poetry, and so fluent and so high-class, so, high-class fluent Sanskrit poetry, and others would just sit and listen to him, what he says. He was very dear, sweet pandit. He wrote lots of stanzas of Guru Dev, absolutely and, and this was one of them. What happened was... this is very interesting this great pandit in his flight of, of the poet, he wrote Guru Dev's life, and he, he didn't know Guru Dev's life. Because all the time was spent in loneliness in the jungles, and, nobody would know. And he said to me, I am going to write. And I said Yes, you write, and this was our agreement that I'll get it printed, and he wrote, and I enjoyed it so much, but someday it was to come to Guru Dev for sanction. So, Guru Dev, he enjoyed hearing the whole thing. It was highly scholarly and very great, and everything that, that a good poet could put in that, he put it. And then, when it was finished Guru Dev said, It's very good, yes. And when the pandit went out of the room he asked him to take it to the Ganges, tie it down with a big stone, heavy, put it in the Ganges. And I, it was a shock to me, I said But, but there are beautiful passages in it. He said, Don't talk!' He said, Nobody should read it, tell him to take it, it is because he didn't know his life and he said If you don't put it in the Ganges I'll ask someone else to do it. I said, I'll do it. We would have used all those beautiful, sen... poetry. These days you would have enjoyed all. But he wouldn't allow it to remain. He was absolutely divine, simple and great, very great, he was very great.' Note 1. The poet was 'Ashu Kavi', Pandit Veni Madhava Sastri. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi speaking in February / March 1969 in Rishikesh India
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's effigy finally surfaces at OWS.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 9:45 AM, wgm4u anitaoaks4u@... wrote: I think we're finally beginning to get the picture, these same folks voted for Obama so they can't protest against him. Additionally he is subtly supporting them, costing local governments millions of dollars, merely for his political advantage. Obama has shown absolutely NO leadership on this issue and it's going to come tumbling down around him sooner or later, and rightly so! http://news.yahoo.com/photos/giant-effigy-u-president-obama-held-people-affiliated-photo-212714601.html That is not an effigy. That's a leftover from the Columbus Day parade. And a good likeness of him. Nyuk...looks like Uncle Tom to me! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-Knowledge for Knuckleheads - page 3: A Classification System for Seekers
Sal. thanks for the advice. i apologize for the clumsy postings. my tech skills are marginal at best. but i think there are some interesting insights in this 'play', and i hope you'll check it out and let me know what you think of it. because my writings are usually fairly dense, my idea is to serialize the pages to give the reader a chance to digest the play a page at a time. a couple of years ago, i had some success with this approach with a 'play' called 'DayDreams of a Small-Town Mystic'. Rick archived it at: http://batgap.com/files/DayDreams%20of%20a%20small-town%20mystic.pdf, and i'm considering serializing it on FFl, as well. thanks again for the feedback. i know i've got a lot to learn, and every little bit helps. bax --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MichaelB bax8352@... wrote: dear friends, please check-out page 3, 'Separate, Sequential Simultaneous: A Classification System for Spiritual Seekers'. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/977226026/pic/9\ 99252613/view?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=1count=20dir=asc http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/977226026/pic/\ 999252613/view?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=1count=20dir=asc if you'd like to see the entire play, please visit my website athttp://brickheadsanonymous.wordpress.com/ i hope you enjoy it. your feedback is always welcome, either here or on my facebook page, http://www.facebook.com/baxishta, or by email to bax@... bax
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shring?
What Vag is not telling. What a misanthrop. Swarupananda at Dwaraka - A further complication was introduced in 1982, when Abhinava Sacchidananda Tirtha, the Sankaracharya of Dwaraka, passed away, leaving a will with a few names as possible choices for his successor. Among these was Swarupananda Saraswati of Jyotirmath. The others either declined or were eliminated from consideration for one reason or the other. Swarupananda was then coronated at Dwaraka, in a ceremony presided over by Swami Abhinava Vidya Tirtha of Sringeri. Swarupananda Saraswati's Dwaraka title is undisputed, and he is routinely described in press reports as the Sankaracharya of Dwaraka. However, it should be noted that while his status as the head of two principal mathas is somewhat unusual, and also confusing for the lay public, it had not been insisted that he relinquish his position at Jyotirmath, before taking charge at Dwaraka. Swarupananda had attended the 1979 meeting of the Sankaracharyas at Sringeri, in his capacity as the Sankaracharya of Jyotirmath. He also attended the funeral ceremonies of Swami Abhinava Vidya Tirtha at Sringeri in 1989. In June 1993, a joint statement was issued by the Sankaracharyas, in connection with the Babri Masjid demolition, which Swarupananda Saraswati signed twice, in his dual capacity as the head of both Dwaraka and Jyotirmath. And as Jayendra Saraswati of the Kanchi matha has also signed the 1993 statement, I assume that he too accepts Swarupananda at both Dwaraka and Jyotirmath. Swarupananda has publicly stated that the Kanchi matha is only a branch of the Sringeri matha, [11 http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/shank-jyot-ascii/#11 ] but he did attend the birth centenary celebrations of Chandrasekharendra Saraswati of Kanchipuram in 1993. It must be noted that the Kanchi matha is a very influential institution today, and although it is not one of the four original institutions, the opinion of its head counts for something in these controversies. [12 http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/shank-jyot-ascii/#12 ] Indeed, the very presence of Jayendra Saraswati along with the heads of the four Amnaya mathas is a marked change from the absence of the Kanchi matha in the 1979 meeting of the Sankaracharyas, and is an acknowledgement of the current political importance of this institution. Clearly, at least in the eyes of these others, Swarupananda Saraswati is the Sankaracharya of Jyotirmath, and also the Sankaracharya of Dwaraka. However, Vasudevananda Saraswati's connections with the Akhada Parishad (a coordination body that deals with such matters as order of procession of the Akhadas during the Kumbha Mela, etc.) indicate that the Dasanami Akhada structure may not be unanimously supportive of Swarupananda. [13 http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/shank-jyot-ascii/#13 ] from the Webpage: The Jyotirmath Sankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century by Vidyasankar Sundaresan mailto:vsundare...@hotmail.com --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: Spoiled mantras H.H. Jagadguru Swami Swaroopananda, Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math interviewed by David Sieveking Translator: When he did the TM course of Mahesh Yogi he was asked to pay $2500. He was then seated in front of Gurudev's photo and given a mantra. He wishes to know Shankaracharyaji's thoughts on this... Tell him your mantra... David: Shring. Translator: Shring? David: Shring...they say it is the meaningless word but I found out that it invokes... Translator: How do you spell it? David: I'll write it for you... 2nd translator: He has also been told that the mantra has no meaning and that he simply has to recite it [mentally]. HH Swarupananda: This is not a mantra. Had it been Shrim i.e. S-H-R-I- M, then it would have been a mantra. Translator: He was given this mantra in front of Gurudev`s photo. So he wants to know whether this has been the tradition from long time ago? HH Swarupananda: Mahesh Yogi was not a brahnman and hence did not have the right to give anybody any mantra's hence he would place the Gurudev's picture so as to symbolise that the mantra was being given through Gurudev. The tradition is such that the mantra is a very private and secretive conversation between a Guru and a disciple. It is said that when it goes in 6 ears the mantra's powers are lost...it has to remain in between the two ears of the Guru and the two ears of the Shishya or disciple any other person is not to be party to it. 2nd translator: First of all this mantra was not a mantra. The procedure for giving it was a guru can give it to the shishya but as Maharishi was not a brahman maybe he was keeping a picture of Gurudev to give the mantra...but according to tradition it has to be between the 2 ears of yours and the two ears of Guru, if it goes to six ears [i.e. via a TM teacher] then its a spoiled mantra. Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Ron Paul stuff: sharing a link
http://www.ronpaulproducts.com/ The .07 cent brochure is awesome. FYI for those MIA. : )
[FairfieldLife] Theo Jansen and his creatures
Pretty interesting if you haven't seen. I think I'm about to post out for real...Too much of a Chatty Kathy this week. I leave you with this. http://weburbanist.com/2008/10/11/unbelievable-kinetic-sculptures-of-theo-jansen/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b694exl_oZo
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
Vaj, you need to apologize for your deceitful subterfuge: http://www.kohngallery.com/ryden/pages/ryden.artwork1.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:18 PM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: Vaj: ...it does not come from a real lineal tradition, it's something Mahesh made up. What exactly, are the parts by MMY that are different from those recited by GD? From what I've heard, the MMY GD puja is standard - I've heard it recited by at least three sources other than the TMO, such as at a recent Sri Sri Ravi Shankar yoga camp. Sri Sri says it's the same as the one recited by GD, the one recited at the Jyortirmath Peeth in the Himalayas. Explain how Mahesh used what was to be thrown away to hobble together the puja: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/MMY.htm Right from the very early times, MMY definitely claimed that the meditation he teaches (TM) was taught to him by Guru Dev [a fact now known to be false]. A look at page 244 of 'Thirty Years Around the World' (a TMO publication by Maharishi Vedic University, 1986) confirms this. Allegedly on 29th April 1959 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi told journalists:- 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now impart to the world.' In the TM puja there are four lines which refer directly to Guru Dev: yadvaare nikhilaa nilimpaparishatsiddhiM vidhatte.anisham shrimat shriilasitaM jagadgurupadaM natvaa.atmatR^iptiM gataaH lokaaGYaanapayoda paaTanadhuraM shriisha~NkaraM sharmadam brahmaanandasaraswatiiM guruvaraM dhyaayaami jyotirmayam which means:- 'At whose door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night. Adorned by immeasurable glory, preceptor of the whole world, having bowed down to Him, we gain fulfilment. Skilled in dispelling the cloud of ignorance of the people, the gentle emancipator, Brahmananda Saraswati, the supreme teacher, full of brilliance, on Him we meditate.' Maharishi explains who wrote these lines:- 'This was done by us, I didn't compose those lines, because I am not a Sanskrit scholar, but this was done by a, very, very eminent Sanskrit poet of Banares, and he was, such a mysterious man, the poet 1. He used to live us, just like us, and a good pandit, and when some, some pandits, learned people used to come to pay their respects to Guru Dev, and he would sit like that. And generally it is traditional, that in the presence of Shankaracharya, pandits gather. Pandits mean the learned people, highly great intellectuals of the country. They sit together, and they, try to bring home to Shankaracharya, each one of them, that he is the greater pandit than the others. And these dialogues are so highly intellectual and so very interesting, because they, everyone wants to, to win the grace of Shankaracharya, apart from his spiritual development for their material glorification, because a certificate from the Shankaracharya, of the great learning of the pandits will make him flourish in his area. So, they, very beautiful, and this pandit he used to defeat everyone, because he was a born poet, poet. He would versify anything that he wants to say. In poetry he would speak. And when in poetry, and so fluent and so high-class, so, high-class fluent Sanskrit poetry, and others would just sit and listen to him, what he says. He was very dear, sweet pandit. He wrote lots of stanzas of Guru Dev, absolutely and, and this was one of them. What happened was... this is very interesting this great pandit in his flight of, of the poet, he wrote Guru Dev's life, and he, he didn't know Guru Dev's life. Because all the time was spent in loneliness in the jungles, and, nobody would know. And he said to me, I am going to write. And I said Yes, you write, and this was our agreement that I'll get it printed, and he wrote, and I enjoyed it so much, but someday it was to come to Guru Dev for sanction. So, Guru Dev, he enjoyed hearing the whole thing. It was highly scholarly and very great, and everything that, that a good poet could put in that, he put it. And then, when it was finished Guru Dev said, It's very good, yes. And when the pandit went out of the room he asked him to take it to the Ganges, tie it down with a big stone, heavy, put it in the Ganges. And I, it was a shock to me, I said But, but there are beautiful passages in it. He said, Don't talk!' He said, Nobody should read it, tell him to take it, it is because he didn't know his life and he said If you don't put it in the Ganges I'll ask someone else to do it. I said, I'll do it. We would have used all those beautiful, sen... poetry. These days you would have enjoyed all. But he wouldn't allow it to remain. He was absolutely divine,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shring?
Goddess calling, will you accept the charges? Goddess?? You, with your tatty bathrobe, three day growth of stubble, and dirty slippers? In light of that, the 100% human hair wig and heavy eyeshadow don't really make a dent... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Vaj wrote: Tell him your mantra... David: Shring. Translator: Shring? David: Shring...they say it is the meaningless word but I found out that it invokes I actually like the sound of this one better than the one I got or most of the others. Kinda sounds like what a phone in India might sound like when it rings. SHRING!!! Goddess calling, will you accept the charges?
[FairfieldLife] The Rivalry for Jyotir Math
The Rivalry for Jyotir Math by Dana Sawyer, 2001 High in the Garhwal Himalayas, near the border with Tibet, lies the sacred Hindu temple of Badrinath, one of the most important pilgrimage destinations in the Uttarkand, the “northern portion.” Each year, tens of thousands of pilgrims journey from the plains to worship Lord Badri, a form of Visnu in the shadow of the snow capped peaks. Tradition says that this temple was re-established (after having been desecrated by Buddhists) by Sankara himself, who retrieved the sacred murti of Badri from the Alakananda river just below the temple. Hagiographical accounts of Sankara’s life also tell us that he then established one of his four primaryvidyapiths near there, and called it the Jyotir (“Radiant”) Math, installing one of his favorite disciples, Totaka, on its gaddi. Today, the Jyotir Mathvidyapith is located at Joshi, a small village 40 kms. south of Badrinath and the take-off point for tourist treks into the Nanda Devi Sanctuary. The history of the math is murky, having more to do with legend than fact, in part due to the circumstance that the math was closed, by all accounts, for more than a century and a half, and only reinstated in the middle of this century. Traditional accounts, kept by the present claimants for the abbottship, tell us that the last Sankaracarya before the lapse was Swami Ramakrsna Asrama, who presided there until 1833. (*footnote: Vidyasankar Sundaresan, at the Jyot-Shank web site, gives the Dasnami name as “Tirtha” and says he has this from “official accounts,” but all accounts I’ve seen, e.g., Jyotispith-Parampara, Ek Anusilan , p.3, from Swami Svarupananda’s press in Banaras, 1996, give it as “Asrama”) For various reasons, the math became vacant. Some say there was no properly qualified person to follow Swami Ramakrisna; others say that the Gurkha invasion from Nepal caused the lapse. Whatever the facts might be, it is only in the late 1930s that the story becomes clear. At that time, a Dandi swami from Banaras named Gyanananda Saraswati established a trust for the Jyotir Math, overseen by his organization, the Bharat Dharma Mahamandal, and began a search for a Dandi qualified to head the post, not wanting the position himself. After a reconaissance mission to locate the site of the original math, which had become obscured over time, Gyanananda became satisfied that he had found the ruins of it on a hillside above Joshi, and on Aprl 11, 1941 the particluar spot was secured by deed and endowment. In the meantime, Gyanananda, the Mahamandal, and members of the Kashi Vidvat Parisad had decided to ask Swami Hariharananda Saraswati (popularly known as Karpatri Swamiji), a popular and powerful Dandi (*footnote: in fact, the most influential Dandi in India at the time, e.g., see Tripathi, pp.64 and 224), to accept the post. Karpatri, however, had, the year before, begun an organization called Dharma Sangh to fight for Hindu principles and so, being busy with other matters, he declined. However, before declining he offered his help in selecting a suitable candidate and recommended his own guru, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (later to become famous in the West as the guru of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, once guru to the Beatles and Mia Farrow). Given the influence of Karpatri, and the quickly acknowledged suitability of the candidate, Brahmananda was duly installed as Sankaracarya of Jyotir Math that same year. After Brahmananda Brahmananda, well respected by all, presided over the math until his death on May 20, 1953. Immediately after his death a succession dispute arose. Unfortunately, before his death, he had not made clear who should follow him on the gaddi. Some of his followers came forward with a will, saying that Brahmananda had made it just before his death. This will, published on June 8, 1953, stated that Brahmananda had actually nominated four persons as qualified for the position, and named them in order of preference, as: (1) Swami Santananda Saraswati, (2) Dwarka Pasad Sastri (who would first have to take diksa as an ascetic to become qualified), (3) Swami Visnudevananda Saraswati, and (4) Swami Paramatmananda Saraswati. In line with this will, the first respondent, who was installed on June 12, 1953 as head of the math, came into possession of the math properties and applied for a certificate of succession in the district court at Allahabad. This was eventually granted on Dec. 12, 1956 - that is, three years later. But this did not settle the dispute. Three allegations continued to be aimed by various parties at the acarya and his supporters: (1) Questions regarding the authenicity of the will arose, for instance, why hadn’t Brahmananda published the will while he was still alive? Why hadn’t he made clear then who
Re: [FairfieldLife] Shring?
On 11/07/2011 10:07 AM, Vaj wrote: Spoiled mantras H.H. Jagadguru Swami Swaroopananda, Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math interviewed by David Sieveking Translator: When he did the TM course of Mahesh Yogi he was asked to pay $2500. He was then seated in front of Gurudev’s photo and given a mantra. He wishes to know Shankaracharyaji’s thoughts on this... Tell him your mantra... David: Shring. Translator: Shring? David: Shring...they say it is the meaningless word but I found out that it invokes... Translator: How do you spell it? David: I’ll write it for you... 2nd translator: He has also been told that the mantra has no meaning and that he simply has to recite it [mentally]. HH Swarupananda: This is not a mantra. Had it been Shrim i.e. S-H-R-I- M, then it would have been a mantra. Translator: He was given this mantra in front of Gurudev‘s photo. So he wants to know whether this has been the tradition from long time ago? HH Swarupananda: Mahesh Yogi was not a brahnman and hence did not have the right to give anybody any mantra’s hence he would place the Gurudev’s picture so as to symbolise that the mantra was being given through Gurudev. The tradition is such that the mantra is a very private and secretive conversation between a Guru and a disciple. It is said that when it goes in 6 ears the mantra’s powers are lost...it has to remain in between the two ears of the Guru and the two ears of the Shishya or disciple any other person is not to be party to it. 2nd translator: First of all this mantra was not a mantra. The procedure for giving it was a guru can give it to the shishya but as Maharishi was not a brahman maybe he was keeping a picture of Gurudev to give the mantra...but according to tradition it has to be between the 2 ears of yours and the two ears of Guru, if it goes to six ears [i.e. via a TM teacher] then its a spoiled mantra. Jai Guru Dev Shring very definitely is a beej mantra. Different traditions insist on one ending at the exclusion of the other. Some use both. If the Swarupananda is insisting that the 'm' ending is the only valid one then that might be the doctrine of the Shankaracharya tradition. Which would mean that MMY wasn't teaching that tradition. You can visit Indian forums where yogis will debate the 'm' and 'ng' endings endlessly and viciously. ;-) Also a number of meditators who may have been reading books on mantras and traditions sometimes thought the initiator gave them 'shri' as the mantra. MMY never emphasized exact pronunciation nor meaning but it is very important in other traditions. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Shring?
On Nov 7, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Shring very definitely is a beej mantra. Different traditions insist on one ending at the exclusion of the other. Some use both. If the Swarupananda is insisting that the 'm' ending is the only valid one then that might be the doctrine of the Shankaracharya tradition. Which would mean that MMY wasn't teaching that tradition. You can visit Indian forums where yogis will debate the 'm' and 'ng' endings endlessly and viciously. ;-) Also a number of meditators who may have been reading books on mantras and traditions sometimes thought the initiator gave them 'shri' as the mantra. MMY never emphasized exact pronunciation nor meaning but it is very important in other traditions. One can only guess, but I have to assume (given the line of questioning) is that he is siding with the way Swami Brahmananda taught.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rivalry for Jyotir Math
Earth to Vaj...it is the year 2011. The past, despite your fondness for wallowing in it, is gone.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: The Rivalry for Jyotir Math by Dana Sawyer, 2001 High in the Garhwal Himalayas, near the border with Tibet, lies the sacred Hindu temple of Badrinath, one of the most important pilgrimage destinations in the Uttarkand, the northern portion. Each year, tens of thousands of pilgrims journey from the plains to worship Lord Badri, a form of Visnu in the shadow of the snow capped peaks. Tradition says that this temple was re-established (after having been desecrated by Buddhists) by Sankara himself, who retrieved the sacred murti of Badri from the Alakananda river just below the temple. Hagiographical accounts of Sankara's life also tell us that he then established one of his four primaryvidyapiths near there, and called it the Jyotir (Radiant) Math, installing one of his favorite disciples, Totaka, on its gaddi. Today, the Jyotir Mathvidyapith is located at Joshi, a small village 40 kms. south of Badrinath and the take-off point for tourist treks into the Nanda Devi Sanctuary. The history of the math is murky, having more to do with legend than fact, in part due to the circumstance that the math was closed, by all accounts, for more than a century and a half, and only reinstated in the middle of this century. Traditional accounts, kept by the present claimants for the abbottship, tell us that the last Sankaracarya before the lapse was Swami Ramakrsna Asrama, who presided there until 1833. (*footnote: Vidyasankar Sundaresan, at the Jyot-Shank web site, gives the Dasnami name as Tirtha and says he has this from official accounts, but all accounts I've seen, e.g., Jyotispith-Parampara, Ek Anusilan , p.3, from Swami Svarupananda's press in Banaras, 1996, give it as Asrama) For various reasons, the math became vacant. Some say there was no properly qualified person to follow Swami Ramakrisna; others say that the Gurkha invasion from Nepal caused the lapse. Whatever the facts might be, it is only in the late 1930s that the story becomes clear. At that time, a Dandi swami from Banaras named Gyanananda Saraswati established a trust for the Jyotir Math, overseen by his organization, the Bharat Dharma Mahamandal, and began a search for a Dandi qualified to head the post, not wanting the position himself. After a reconaissance mission to locate the site of the original math, which had become obscured over time, Gyanananda became satisfied that he had found the ruins of it on a hillside above Joshi, and on Aprl 11, 1941 the particluar spot was secured by deed and endowment. In the meantime, Gyanananda, the Mahamandal, and members of the Kashi Vidvat Parisad had decided to ask Swami Hariharananda Saraswati (popularly known as Karpatri Swamiji), a popular and powerful Dandi (*footnote: in fact, the most influential Dandi in India at the time, e.g., see Tripathi, pp.64 and 224), to accept the post. Karpatri, however, had, the year before, begun an organization called Dharma Sangh to fight for Hindu principles and so, being busy with other matters, he declined. However, before declining he offered his help in selecting a suitable candidate and recommended his own guru, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (later to become famous in the West as the guru of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, once guru to the Beatles and Mia Farrow). Given the influence of Karpatri, and the quickly acknowledged suitability of the candidate, Brahmananda was duly installed as Sankaracarya of Jyotir Math that same year. After Brahmananda Brahmananda, well respected by all, presided over the math until his death on May 20, 1953. Immediately after his death a succession dispute arose. Unfortunately, before his death, he had not made clear who should follow him on the gaddi. Some of his followers came forward with a will, saying that Brahmananda had made it just before his death. This will, published on June 8, 1953, stated that Brahmananda had actually nominated four persons as qualified for the position, and named them in order of preference, as: (1) Swami Santananda Saraswati, (2) Dwarka Pasad Sastri (who would first have to take diksa as an ascetic to become qualified), (3) Swami Visnudevananda Saraswati, and (4) Swami Paramatmananda Saraswati. In line with this will, the first respondent, who was installed on June 12, 1953 as head of the math, came into possession of the math properties and applied for a certificate of succession in the district court at Allahabad. This was eventually granted on Dec. 12, 1956 - that is, three years later. But this did not settle the dispute. Three allegations continued to be aimed
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rivalry for Jyotir Math
Interesting from a historical/academic pov but doesn't detract in any way from MMY's grand achievement in bringing TM. True, MMY wasn't a Shankaracharya or even a Brahmin, but he occupied a special niche in an ongoing pattern of expansion of Knowledge: The Monastic Gurus who consolidated the teachings and stayed home; vs the propagators who ventured out into the world to actually bring the Teachings to aspirants STAYED HOME- VENTURED OUT INTO THE WORLD: Ramakrishna...Vivekananda Sri Yukteswar.Yogananda SBS...MMY NityanandaSwami Muktananda ... (and others) Therefore it's irrelevant that MMY wasn't mentioned in a will. He was the one generating the courage to come out into the West, bearing the Gifts. ... Abe Lincoln on PBS tonight, according to my TV Guide: http://www.kohngallery.com/ryden/pages/ryden.artwork8.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: The Rivalry for Jyotir Math by Dana Sawyer, 2001 High in the Garhwal Himalayas, near the border with Tibet, lies the sacred Hindu temple of Badrinath, one of the most important pilgrimage destinations in the Uttarkand, the northern portion. Each year, tens of thousands of pilgrims journey from the plains to worship Lord Badri, a form of Visnu in the shadow of the snow capped peaks. Tradition says that this temple was re-established (after having been desecrated by Buddhists) by Sankara himself, who retrieved the sacred murti of Badri from the Alakananda river just below the temple. Hagiographical accounts of Sankara's life also tell us that he then established one of his four primaryvidyapiths near there, and called it the Jyotir (Radiant) Math, installing one of his favorite disciples, Totaka, on its gaddi. Today, the Jyotir Mathvidyapith is located at Joshi, a small village 40 kms. south of Badrinath and the take-off point for tourist treks into the Nanda Devi Sanctuary. The history of the math is murky, having more to do with legend than fact, in part due to the circumstance that the math was closed, by all accounts, for more than a century and a half, and only reinstated in the middle of this century. Traditional accounts, kept by the present claimants for the abbottship, tell us that the last Sankaracarya before the lapse was Swami Ramakrsna Asrama, who presided there until 1833. (*footnote: Vidyasankar Sundaresan, at the Jyot-Shank web site, gives the Dasnami name as Tirtha and says he has this from official accounts, but all accounts I've seen, e.g., Jyotispith-Parampara, Ek Anusilan , p.3, from Swami Svarupananda's press in Banaras, 1996, give it as Asrama) For various reasons, the math became vacant. Some say there was no properly qualified person to follow Swami Ramakrisna; others say that the Gurkha invasion from Nepal caused the lapse. Whatever the facts might be, it is only in the late 1930s that the story becomes clear. At that time, a Dandi swami from Banaras named Gyanananda Saraswati established a trust for the Jyotir Math, overseen by his organization, the Bharat Dharma Mahamandal, and began a search for a Dandi qualified to head the post, not wanting the position himself. After a reconaissance mission to locate the site of the original math, which had become obscured over time, Gyanananda became satisfied that he had found the ruins of it on a hillside above Joshi, and on Aprl 11, 1941 the particluar spot was secured by deed and endowment. In the meantime, Gyanananda, the Mahamandal, and members of the Kashi Vidvat Parisad had decided to ask Swami Hariharananda Saraswati (popularly known as Karpatri Swamiji), a popular and powerful Dandi (*footnote: in fact, the most influential Dandi in India at the time, e.g., see Tripathi, pp.64 and 224), to accept the post. Karpatri, however, had, the year before, begun an organization called Dharma Sangh to fight for Hindu principles and so, being busy with other matters, he declined. However, before declining he offered his help in selecting a suitable candidate and recommended his own guru, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (later to become famous in the West as the guru of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, once guru to the Beatles and Mia Farrow). Given the influence of Karpatri, and the quickly acknowledged suitability of the candidate, Brahmananda was duly installed as Sankaracarya of Jyotir Math that same year. After Brahmananda Brahmananda, well respected by all, presided over the math until his death on May 20, 1953. Immediately after his death a succession dispute arose. Unfortunately, before his death, he had not made clear who should follow him on the gaddi. Some of his followers came forward with a will, saying that Brahmananda
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shring?
Since Robin wasn't willing to be channeled; I'm thinking, Vaj may be trying to channel the blue box: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_box From the Philippines: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxMGxz6-oTs When he's not in Hollywood: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWC_7H4LLQQfeature=related From: whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 11:31:12 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shring? Goddess calling, will you accept the charges? Goddess?? You, with your tatty bathrobe, three day growth of stubble, and dirty slippers? In light of that, the 100% human hair wig and heavy eyeshadow don't really make a dent... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Vaj wrote: Tell him your mantra... David: Shring. Translator: Shring? David: Shring...they say it is the meaningless word but I found out that it invokes… I actually like the sound of this one better than the one I got or most of the others. Kinda sounds like what a phone in India might sound like when it rings. SHRING!!! Goddess calling, will you accept the charges?
[FairfieldLife] Rivalry for Sawan Singh's Successorship
Only of historical significance to academics writing their PhD's - like David Christopher Lane, a disciple of Charan Singh. ... Another Guru Who Stayed Home - Sawan Singh, shown here with his disciple Kirpal Singh on his right. Kirpal came out into the world with the Sant Mant meditation, reaching NY in 1955; thus predating MMY and sowing some of the seeds of the expansion of Consciousness Movements of the 60's. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BaGNtG9YelU/TMav999DGbI/AlE/f3TSkXraX4U/s1600/Baba+Sawan+Singh+Ji+with+Kirpal+Singh+at+Dera.jpg Kirpal wasn't mentioned in Sawan Singh's will. The official successorship went to Jagat Singh who didn't live long, then to Sawan's Nephew, Charan Singh (Guru of David Christopher Lane)... In a historical perspective, for all practical purposes Kiral Singh was the most prominant of the inheritors of Sawan's Sant Mat Tradition. ... Paul Twitchell was initiated by Kirpal Singh in 1955 and went on to found Eckankar. Twitchell was influenced a lot by Scientology. So Go Figure: SBS -- MMY.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yo Denise!
I agree. I also agree with something else I think you said; what goes on around here is closer to burlesque: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlesque For you listening pleasure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCeebWgjrrUfeature=related From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:33:23 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yo Denise! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlZRcxvGIWEfeature=related Man, they are the absolute ultimate masters of deadpan. I don't know how they all manage to keep straight faces. And they prove what I've said here a number of times: The closer to reality, the better the satire.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
On Nov 7, 2011, at 10:17 AM, jpgillam wrote: I've been getting results from the TM puja for 34 years. It stills my mind. I recite it often, for that purpose. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: The way we know the TM puja and initiation process acts like a placebo is because independent researchers fabricated a faux-TM instruction and were able to get the exact same results as TM - the same EEG profile and relaxation response, everything. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: [snip]it's not responsive to Patrick's experience of getting the same results for 34 years from *performing* the puja. I should clarify that I don't have to perform the puja to get results. I sing it aloud or recite it mentally. My most profound experience of the stilling power of the puja occurred when I was learning it on my TM teacher training course. One afternoon upon finishing my rounds I sang the puja as I sat on my bed. Afterward, I had intended to mentally review some other material I was memorizing, but I could not summon a thought. I was awake and alert, but I was mentally constipated. I just stared at the wall for a few minutes before I could get a thought to bubble up. That's when I realized that the purpose of the puja was to shift my center from my thoughts and feelings to the stillness of consciousness itself, which, by the way, is a good definition of a first stage of enlightenment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rivalry for Sawan Singh's Successorship
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: Only of historical significance to academics writing their PhD's - like David Christopher Lane, a disciple of Charan Singh. ... Another Guru Who Stayed Home - Sawan Singh, shown here with his disciple Kirpal Singh on his right. Kirpal came out into the world with the Sant Mant meditation, reaching NY in 1955; thus predating MMY and sowing some of the seeds of the expansion of Consciousness Movements of the 60's. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BaGNtG9YelU/TMav999DGbI/AlE/f3TSkXraX4U/s1600/Baba+Sawan+Singh+Ji+with+Kirpal+Singh+at+Dera.jpg Kirpal wasn't mentioned in Sawan Singh's will. The official successorship went to Jagat Singh who didn't live long, then to Sawan's Nephew, Charan Singh (Guru of David Christopher Lane)... In a historical perspective, for all practical purposes Kiral Singh was the most prominant of the inheritors of Sawan's Sant Mat Tradition. ... There can only be ONE Sat-Guru on the planet at one time...and Hey, our guy's the guy! Sant Mat (I'd buy that for a dollar)! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Grotto of the Old Mass
Most famous case of the Guru who Stayed Home vs the propagator who went out into the world, was of course: Jesus and St. Paul (with some differences wrt the previous examples; formost being that St. Paul never physicall met Jesus). Nope...no will from Jesus although the Catholics offer Biblical support for their candidate in a supposed direct lineage: St. Peter. Obviously wasn't a Pope. No will needed...just look at the results. ... Grotto of the Old Mass: http://www.kohngallery.com/ryden/pages/ryden.artwork4.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yo Denise!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl9PJrWeSUc : ) Hah. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: I agree. I also agree with something else I think you said; what goes on around here is closer to burlesque: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlesque For you listening pleasure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCeebWgjrrUfeature=related From: authfriend jstein@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:33:23 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yo Denise! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlZRcxvGIWEfeature=related Man, they are the absolute ultimate masters of deadpan. I don't know how they all manage to keep straight faces. And they prove what I've said here a number of times: The closer to reality, the better the satire. Â
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
Since you seem to not be aware of it NLP deals extensively with sound vibration known as auditory tonal as contrasted to auditory digital which deals with the meaning of words. Read a little before you comment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: The first thing any research needs to do is to learn the procedures and they won't do that so they'll always be spectators and draw false conclusions. Shakti is simply life force, a concept beyond the ability of contemporary science to understand. One should also look into the yoga of sound and understand how sound effects people, not in an NLP way but a vibratory way. It's more physics than anything else. Mantras work due to their resonance and charged they work faster than when they're not. You'll see in books the instruction where one must repeat a certain mantra 100,000 times to get results. But that's from the book and if give by a guru it may take only 100 repetitions. On 11/06/2011 09:22 PM, johnt wrote: No one can explain what the shakti energy is yet but they certainly agree it can be passed on through the process known as entrainment. There is some early research that may indicate that shakti can be seen on kirlian photography and others can be seen being entrained by it, but it's still early in the process of understanding. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: I'm talking about shakti which is an energy. You should be experiencing it when you meditate. I can transfer that energy to someone else without saying a word, just by touching them. So explain that by NLP. You can't. They are going down the wrong road though they wouldn't be the first researchers to do that by any means. ;-) On 11/06/2011 06:56 PM, johnt wrote: Then what is it saying. Be precise I value tradition in the sense that it preserves elements that are life supporting, it doesn't tell me how it works. That's what modern psychologists are only beginning to try and do do. Vedic masters were masters of what's now becoming NLP, however people just parroting what they heard doesn't show understanding. What exactly do YOU mean by charged --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: Oh yes it does. Centuries of tantrics and yogis would argue with you on that. These guys you are talking about are blind men feeling an elephant. :-D On 11/06/2011 06:00 PM, johnt wrote: charge is a nice ooga booga term that says nothing. It's only part of philosophy not science unless you understand it in the sense of Rupert sheldrake' morphic field, in which case your saying the same thing I am. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@wrote: That's a wild ass theory trying to make the puja sound scientific. What the puja actually does is charge the mantra. In other traditions you are given the mantra by someone who has enough juice to charge the mantra with shakti without the need for a puja. Reciting a 3-4 minute puja takes it place. It would have taken years to create even a small army of TM teachers the traditional way. The traditional way is what Muktananda used and his instructors gave shaktipat along with the mantra. It is also the way my tantra teacher has instructed me to teach people. On 11/05/2011 11:48 PM, Denise Evans wrote: Sheeet. Is that what brainwashing is? From: johntjohnlasher20002000@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK Why TM can't be learned from a book A TM initiation alters the brainwave pattern of the one performing the puja. When the teacher then passes on the mantra to the person learning meditation he also passes on a brainwave state by a process know in neurophysiology as entrainment. Brainwave entrainment or brainwave synchronization, is any practice that aims to cause brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state. This is only one of the Neuro effects of a TM initiation which is a very well crafted design of several which lead to a self transcending effect of the mantra.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lemony Snicket on Occupy Wall Street
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: if inequality had really exploded during the past 30 to 40 years, why did American politics simultaneously move rightward toward a greater embrace of free-market capitalism? It was clearly not because free-market capitalism necessitates income inequality, which your question erroneously assumes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
Sorry but I just don't buy the NLP story. It just sounds like a ignorant flatlander theory. On 11/07/2011 12:54 PM, johnt wrote: Since you seem to not be aware of it NLP deals extensively with sound vibration known as auditory tonal as contrasted to auditory digital which deals with the meaning of words. Read a little before you comment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: The first thing any research needs to do is to learn the procedures and they won't do that so they'll always be spectators and draw false conclusions. Shakti is simply life force, a concept beyond the ability of contemporary science to understand. One should also look into the yoga of sound and understand how sound effects people, not in an NLP way but a vibratory way. It's more physics than anything else. Mantras work due to their resonance and charged they work faster than when they're not. You'll see in books the instruction where one must repeat a certain mantra 100,000 times to get results. But that's from the book and if give by a guru it may take only 100 repetitions. On 11/06/2011 09:22 PM, johnt wrote: No one can explain what the shakti energy is yet but they certainly agree it can be passed on through the process known as entrainment. There is some early research that may indicate that shakti can be seen on kirlian photography and others can be seen being entrained by it, but it's still early in the process of understanding. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: I'm talking about shakti which is an energy. You should be experiencing it when you meditate. I can transfer that energy to someone else without saying a word, just by touching them. So explain that by NLP. You can't. They are going down the wrong road though they wouldn't be the first researchers to do that by any means. ;-) On 11/06/2011 06:56 PM, johnt wrote: Then what is it saying. Be precise I value tradition in the sense that it preserves elements that are life supporting, it doesn't tell me how it works. That's what modern psychologists are only beginning to try and do do. Vedic masters were masters of what's now becoming NLP, however people just parroting what they heard doesn't show understanding. What exactly do YOU mean by charged --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@wrote: Oh yes it does. Centuries of tantrics and yogis would argue with you on that. These guys you are talking about are blind men feeling an elephant. :-D On 11/06/2011 06:00 PM, johnt wrote: charge is a nice ooga booga term that says nothing. It's only part of philosophy not science unless you understand it in the sense of Rupert sheldrake' morphic field, in which case your saying the same thing I am. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote: That's a wild ass theory trying to make the puja sound scientific. What the puja actually does is charge the mantra. In other traditions you are given the mantra by someone who has enough juice to charge the mantra with shakti without the need for a puja. Reciting a 3-4 minute puja takes it place. It would have taken years to create even a small army of TM teachers the traditional way. The traditional way is what Muktananda used and his instructors gave shaktipat along with the mantra. It is also the way my tantra teacher has instructed me to teach people. On 11/05/2011 11:48 PM, Denise Evans wrote: Sheeet. Is that what brainwashing is? From: johntjohnlasher20002000@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK Why TM can't be learned from a book A TM initiation alters the brainwave pattern of the one performing the puja. When the teacher then passes on the mantra to the person learning meditation he also passes on a brainwave state by a process know in neurophysiology as entrainment. Brainwave entrainment or brainwave synchronization, is any practice that aims to cause brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state. This is only one of the Neuro effects of a TM initiation which is a very well crafted design of several which lead to a self transcending effect of the mantra.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
Vaj: The majority of TM initiators not only stopped teaching TM, but have probably even stopped meditating. I am almost certain of this. However, for you to propose that the Puja ceremony works on the basis of the placebo effect is so bizarre and misinformed as to be the same as saying that when you are in a car that is moving, it turns out it is really an illusion: you are actually not going anywhere. Maybe one in a hundred TM initiators (of all those that Maharishi made teachers) still do the Puja;; but even all those who have turned their back on TM and Maharishi, they, to a one, know that *the Puja works*. That is, to say, singing the Puga (especially in the context of teaching someone to meditate) alters one's consciousness, changes one's perception, and acts on every level of one's being, including the physical. Now I personally would never conceive of doing a Puja, because of its very power to change me in a way that I believe is inimical to sustaining the integrity of my own personality.But for you to advance the idea that the effect of singing the Puja is produced by the placebo effect, this is the final evidence of your fraudulent claim to be a TM initiator. And not only this: it proves you never learned TM, because you would not make this claim had you passed through that experience. No, Vaj; you must stop this. Whatever TM, Maharishi, and the Puja are all about, the notion of the placebo effect is utterly inapplicable. I have the strongest resistance and aversion to the TM experience, to Maharishi, to the Puja; but I know this: were I to sing it alone right now, and go through the proper ritualistic motions (and offerings) my consciousness would undergo an objective change, and I would find myself, however subtly, in another context than the one I am in as I write this. TM and the Puja, they do, as Maharishi insisted, operate mechanically. Your attempt to portray the Puja as a placebo effect is so wrong-headed, so false to reality, and therefore such a lie, it would be as if you said that lifting weights cannot affect your muscles. Not one initiator could ever say to himself or herself: That Puja thing; it was just the placebo effect. And if anyone saying he or she was an former initiator said it worked on the basis of the placebo effect, every initiator in the worldwho did not have a dishonest agendawould know that such a person never knew Maharishi, never learned Transcendental Meiditation, and never was a Teacher of TM. The Puja was perhaps the most powerful thing about the whole TM Movement. And it truly bathed us in the purest form of Hinduism. You never got baptized, Vaj. You are an outsider. Even among those of us who have repudiated Maharishi and TM and the beneficence of their influence upon a human being, know that the Puja is anything but something that could have its efficacyexperientiallyon the basis of the placebo effect. You are deceived in this Vaj: Like saying the sensation of the fragrance of a rose is the placebo effect. Or that the effects of fasting are just imagined in the mind. No, Vaj: the Puja is the heart and soul of TM and the TM Movement. And I knew this the moment after I had performed my first Puja and motioned to my initiate to kneel as I was kneeling. The Puja as taught to us by Maharishi is flawless, it is real, and it has a potency that refutes everything you say. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:58 PM, johnt johnlasher20002000@... wrote: You never will in a TM context, but if you study some of Milton Erickson, Bandler and Grinder and other related sources you will find that each part of a TM initiation has a well studied neurolinguistic effect which in this case is very effective at producing a self transcending accessing cue which accesses an experience at a primal (original) level prior to subsequent conditioning It's called the placebo effect silly. We actually now know where the TM puja came from and what sources the puja was hobbled together from. It's from a pundits poem that Mahesh was told to throw away. There's nothing magical about it at all - unless you believe it is. But it does not come from a real lineal tradition, it's something Mahesh made up.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yo Denise!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TndQbf_j4ngfeature=related From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 12:45:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yo Denise! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl9PJrWeSUc : ) Hah. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: I agree. I also agree with something else I think you said; what goes on around here is closer to burlesque: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlesque For you listening pleasure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCeebWgjrrUfeature=related From: authfriend jstein@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:33:23 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yo Denise! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlZRcxvGIWEfeature=related Man, they are the absolute ultimate masters of deadpan. I don't know how they all manage to keep straight faces. And they prove what I've said here a number of times: The closer to reality, the better the satire. Â
Re: [FairfieldLife] WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com wrote: Sheeet. Is that what brainwashing is? -- *From:* johnt johnlasher20002...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 5, 2011 11:17 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK Why TM can't be learned from a book A TM initiation alters the brainwave pattern of the one performing the puja. When the teacher then passes on the mantra to the person learning meditation he also passes on a brainwave state by a process know in neurophysiology as entrainment. Brainwave entrainment or brainwave synchronization, is any practice that aims to cause brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state. This is only one of the Neuro effects of a TM initiation which is a very well crafted design of several which lead to a self transcending effect of the mantra. Seems to me that anyone who would post such unsubstantiated Maharishi says trash could easily be brainwashed with an enema.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yo Denise!
Mr. Price, you hit a nerve. This movie has such significance to my childhood and beyond. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TndQbf_j4ngfeature=related From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 12:45:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yo Denise! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl9PJrWeSUc : ) Hah. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: I agree. I also agree with something else I think you said; what goes on around here is closer to burlesque: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlesque For you listening pleasure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCeebWgjrrUfeature=related From: authfriend jstein@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:33:23 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yo Denise! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlZRcxvGIWEfeature=related Man, they are the absolute ultimate masters of deadpan. I don't know how they all manage to keep straight faces. And they prove what I've said here a number of times: The closer to reality, the better the satire. Â Â ÃÂ Â
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 3:27 PM, jpgillam jpgil...@yahoo.com wrote: My most profound experience of the stilling power of the puja occurred when I was learning it on my TM teacher training course. One afternoon upon finishing my rounds I sang the puja as I sat on my bed. Afterward, I had intended to mentally review some other material I was memorizing, but I could not summon a thought. I was awake and alert, but I was mentally constipated. I just stared at the wall for a few minutes before I could get a thought to bubble up. That's when I realized that the purpose of the puja was to shift my center from my thoughts and feelings to the stillness of consciousness itself, which, by the way, is a good definition of a first stage of enlightenment. I transcended during the puja and the initiator had to stop and wait for me to come back. I was gone for quite some time. This was so memorable to my initiator that when I made contact with him finally after all these years he repeated asked Who are you?.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
Vaj, You should do some research before making such disingenuous statements. Parts of the TM puja actually can be found in the Vishnu kavach which is stated in Srila Prabhupada's commentary to the Srimad Bhagavatam. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:25 PM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: emptybill: This is the usual disinformation from Vag, the master of misanthropic subterfuge. Here are the reality of the TM Puja: It looks like we've got another fib by Vaj, but why would he be fibbing, when it's so easy to source the material? Go figure. What did you think I was referring to? Gosh you guys are dim.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
Wait a minute, Vaj. The TM puja is the same as used by many Hindus. When I initiated Hindus from India they could sing it along with me - pretty much word for word. What ever else you might think of TM, this is not something MMY hobbled together at all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:18 PM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: Vaj: ...it does not come from a real lineal tradition, it's something Mahesh made up. What exactly, are the parts by MMY that are different from those recited by GD? From what I've heard, the MMY GD puja is standard - I've heard it recited by at least three sources other than the TMO, such as at a recent Sri Sri Ravi Shankar yoga camp. Sri Sri says it's the same as the one recited by GD, the one recited at the Jyortirmath Peeth in the Himalayas. Explain how Mahesh used what was to be thrown away to hobble together the puja: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/MMY.htm Right from the very early times, MMY definitely claimed that the meditation he teaches (TM) was taught to him by Guru Dev [a fact now known to be false]. A look at page 244 of 'Thirty Years Around the World' (a TMO publication by Maharishi Vedic University, 1986) confirms this. Allegedly on 29th April 1959 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi told journalists:- 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now impart to the world.' In the TM puja there are four lines which refer directly to Guru Dev: yadvaare nikhilaa nilimpaparishatsiddhiM vidhatte.anisham shrimat shriilasitaM jagadgurupadaM natvaa.atmatR^iptiM gataaH lokaaGYaanapayoda paaTanadhuraM shriisha~NkaraM sharmadam brahmaanandasaraswatiiM guruvaraM dhyaayaami jyotirmayam which means:- 'At whose door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night. Adorned by immeasurable glory, preceptor of the whole world, having bowed down to Him, we gain fulfilment. Skilled in dispelling the cloud of ignorance of the people, the gentle emancipator, Brahmananda Saraswati, the supreme teacher, full of brilliance, on Him we meditate.' Maharishi explains who wrote these lines:- 'This was done by us, I didn't compose those lines, because I am not a Sanskrit scholar, but this was done by a, very, very eminent Sanskrit poet of Banares, and he was, such a mysterious man, the poet 1. He used to live us, just like us, and a good pandit, and when some, some pandits, learned people used to come to pay their respects to Guru Dev, and he would sit like that. And generally it is traditional, that in the presence of Shankaracharya, pandits gather. Pandits mean the learned people, highly great intellectuals of the country. They sit together, and they, try to bring home to Shankaracharya, each one of them, that he is the greater pandit than the others. And these dialogues are so highly intellectual and so very interesting, because they, everyone wants to, to win the grace of Shankaracharya, apart from his spiritual development for their material glorification, because a certificate from the Shankaracharya, of the great learning of the pandits will make him flourish in his area. So, they, very beautiful, and this pandit he used to defeat everyone, because he was a born poet, poet. He would versify anything that he wants to say. In poetry he would speak. And when in poetry, and so fluent and so high-class, so, high-class fluent Sanskrit poetry, and others would just sit and listen to him, what he says. He was very dear, sweet pandit. He wrote lots of stanzas of Guru Dev, absolutely and, and this was one of them. What happened was... this is very interesting this great pandit in his flight of, of the poet, he wrote Guru Dev's life, and he, he didn't know Guru Dev's life. Because all the time was spent in loneliness in the jungles, and, nobody would know. And he said to me, I am going to write. And I said Yes, you write, and this was our agreement that I'll get it printed, and he wrote, and I enjoyed it so much, but someday it was to come to Guru Dev for sanction. So, Guru Dev, he enjoyed hearing the whole thing. It was highly scholarly and very great, and everything that, that a good poet could put in that, he put it. And then, when it was finished Guru Dev said, It's very good, yes. And when the pandit went out of the room he asked him to take it to the Ganges, tie it down with a big stone, heavy, put it in the Ganges. And I, it was a shock to me, I said But, but there are beautiful passages in it. He said, Don't talk!' He said, Nobody should read it, tell him to take it, it is because he didn't know his life and he said If you don't put it in the Ganges I'll ask someone else to do it. I said, I'll do it. We would have used all
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[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
[X-(] Vag, your vag is showing. [X-(] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: Wait a minute, Vaj. The TM puja is the same as used by many Hindus. When I initiated Hindus from India they could sing it along with me - pretty much word for word. What ever else you might think of TM, this is not something MMY hobbled together at all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:18 PM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: Vaj: ...it does not come from a real lineal tradition, it's something Mahesh made up. What exactly, are the parts by MMY that are different from those recited by GD? From what I've heard, the MMY GD puja is standard - I've heard it recited by at least three sources other than the TMO, such as at a recent Sri Sri Ravi Shankar yoga camp. Sri Sri says it's the same as the one recited by GD, the one recited at the Jyortirmath Peeth in the Himalayas. Explain how Mahesh used what was to be thrown away to hobble together the puja: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/MMY.htm Right from the very early times, MMY definitely claimed that the meditation he teaches (TM) was taught to him by Guru Dev [a fact now known to be false]. A look at page 244 of 'Thirty Years Around the World' (a TMO publication by Maharishi Vedic University, 1986) confirms this. Allegedly on 29th April 1959 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi told journalists:- 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now impart to the world.' In the TM puja there are four lines which refer directly to Guru Dev: yadvaare nikhilaa nilimpaparishatsiddhiM vidhatte.anisham shrimat shriilasitaM jagadgurupadaM natvaa.atmatR^iptiM gataaH lokaaGYaanapayoda paaTanadhuraM shriisha~NkaraM sharmadam brahmaanandasaraswatiiM guruvaraM dhyaayaami jyotirmayam which means:- 'At whose door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night. Adorned by immeasurable glory, preceptor of the whole world, having bowed down to Him, we gain fulfilment. Skilled in dispelling the cloud of ignorance of the people, the gentle emancipator, Brahmananda Saraswati, the supreme teacher, full of brilliance, on Him we meditate.' Maharishi explains who wrote these lines:- 'This was done by us, I didn't compose those lines, because I am not a Sanskrit scholar, but this was done by a, very, very eminent Sanskrit poet of Banares, and he was, such a mysterious man, the poet 1. He used to live us, just like us, and a good pandit, and when some, some pandits, learned people used to come to pay their respects to Guru Dev, and he would sit like that. And generally it is traditional, that in the presence of Shankaracharya, pandits gather. Pandits mean the learned people, highly great intellectuals of the country. They sit together, and they, try to bring home to Shankaracharya, each one of them, that he is the greater pandit than the others. And these dialogues are so highly intellectual and so very interesting, because they, everyone wants to, to win the grace of Shankaracharya, apart from his spiritual development for their material glorification, because a certificate from the Shankaracharya, of the great learning of the pandits will make him flourish in his area. So, they, very beautiful, and this pandit he used to defeat everyone, because he was a born poet, poet. He would versify anything that he wants to say. In poetry he would speak. And when in poetry, and so fluent and so high-class, so, high-class fluent Sanskrit poetry, and others would just sit and listen to him, what he says. He was very dear, sweet pandit. He wrote lots of stanzas of Guru Dev, absolutely and, and this was one of them. What happened was... this is very interesting this great pandit in his flight of, of the poet, he wrote Guru Dev's life, and he, he didn't know Guru Dev's life. Because all the time was spent in loneliness in the jungles, and, nobody would know. And he said to me, I am going to write. And I said Yes, you write, and this was our agreement that I'll get it printed, and he wrote, and I enjoyed it so much, but someday it was to come to Guru Dev for sanction. So, Guru Dev, he enjoyed hearing the whole thing. It was highly scholarly and very great, and everything that, that a good poet could put in that, he put it. And then, when it was finished Guru Dev said, It's very good, yes. And when the pandit went out of the room he asked him to take it to the Ganges, tie it down with a big stone, heavy, put it in the Ganges. And I, it was a shock to me, I said But, but there are beautiful passages in it. He said, Don't talk!' He said, Nobody should read it, tell him to take it, it is because he didn't know his life and he said If you don't put it
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 6, 2011, at 9:56 PM, johnt johnlasher20002000@... wrote: Then what is it saying. Be precise I value tradition in the sense that it preserves elements that are life supporting, it doesn't tell me how it works. That's what modern psychologists are only beginning to try and do do. Vedic masters were masters of what's now becoming NLP, however people just parroting what they heard doesn't show understanding. So how do you square the fact that Mahesh was not an actual student of SBS and the fact that TM is a perversion of the purity of what Guru Dev taught? How important could you value the Shank. tradition if you're supporting a distortion and an nonlineal tradition? Or are you just ignoring it and playing pretend? johnt didn't say anything about valuing the Shank. tradition. It's Vaj who's playing pretend (he means pretending). In any case, as Vaj knows (or should know), MMY made a sharp distinction between the Shank. tradition--i.e., the official, orthodox tradition of the Shankaracharya hierarchy, which he perceived to have become corrupted-- and what he believed to be the *real*, original knowledge tradition of Adi Shankaracharya. As to MMY not being an actual student of Guru Dev, there are more ways of learning from a teacher than being an officially designated student or disciple. And whether what MMY taught was a perversion of the purity of Guru Dev's teaching is a definitional issue. What MMY taught was different in some respects from what Guru Dev taught, but so were (and are) the people MMY taught. There's an excellent case to be made that MMY's teaching was an effective adaptation of the *core* of Guru Dev's teaching for a global audience, as opposed to Guru Dev's audience of devout Hindus. From another of Vaj's posts: We actually now know where the TM puja came from and what sources the puja was hobbled [sic--he means cobbled] together from. It's from a pundits poem that Mahesh was told to throw away. Four lines thereof. There's nothing magical about it at all - unless you believe it is. But it does not come from a real lineal tradition, it's something Mahesh made up. Whether it's magical is arguable. But if it isn't, it's not because MMY added four lines praising Guru Dev.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
It's cobbled from a number of different recitations and shuddhis including the guru puja. The tradition of masters is the only thing that is probably TM unique. There is no one standard puja. Offerings different and length according to who is performing the puja. On 11/07/2011 01:50 PM, Susan wrote: Wait a minute, Vaj. The TM puja is the same as used by many Hindus. When I initiated Hindus from India they could sing it along with me - pretty much word for word. What ever else you might think of TM, this is not something MMY hobbled together at all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vajvajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:18 PM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: Vaj: ...it does not come from a real lineal tradition, it's something Mahesh made up. What exactly, are the parts by MMY that are different from those recited by GD? From what I've heard, the MMY GD puja is standard - I've heard it recited by at least three sources other than the TMO, such as at a recent Sri Sri Ravi Shankar yoga camp. Sri Sri says it's the same as the one recited by GD, the one recited at the Jyortirmath Peeth in the Himalayas. Explain how Mahesh used what was to be thrown away to hobble together the puja: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/MMY.htm Right from the very early times, MMY definitely claimed that the meditation he teaches (TM) was taught to him by Guru Dev [a fact now known to be false]. A look at page 244 of 'Thirty Years Around the World' (a TMO publication by Maharishi Vedic University, 1986) confirms this. Allegedly on 29th April 1959 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi told journalists:- 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now impart to the world.' In the TM puja there are four lines which refer directly to Guru Dev: yadvaare nikhilaa nilimpaparishatsiddhiM vidhatte.anisham shrimat shriilasitaM jagadgurupadaM natvaa.atmatR^iptiM gataaH lokaaGYaanapayoda paaTanadhuraM shriisha~NkaraM sharmadam brahmaanandasaraswatiiM guruvaraM dhyaayaami jyotirmayam which means:- 'At whose door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night. Adorned by immeasurable glory, preceptor of the whole world, having bowed down to Him, we gain fulfilment. Skilled in dispelling the cloud of ignorance of the people, the gentle emancipator, Brahmananda Saraswati, the supreme teacher, full of brilliance, on Him we meditate.' Maharishi explains who wrote these lines:- 'This was done by us, I didn't compose those lines, because I am not a Sanskrit scholar, but this was done by a, very, very eminent Sanskrit poet of Banares, and he was, such a mysterious man, the poet 1. He used to live us, just like us, and a good pandit, and when some, some pandits, learned people used to come to pay their respects to Guru Dev, and he would sit like that. And generally it is traditional, that in the presence of Shankaracharya, pandits gather. Pandits mean the learned people, highly great intellectuals of the country. They sit together, and they, try to bring home to Shankaracharya, each one of them, that he is the greater pandit than the others. And these dialogues are so highly intellectual and so very interesting, because they, everyone wants to, to win the grace of Shankaracharya, apart from his spiritual development for their material glorification, because a certificate from the Shankaracharya, of the great learning of the pandits will make him flourish in his area. So, they, very beautiful, and this pandit he used to defeat everyone, because he was a born poet, poet. He would versify anything that he wants to say. In poetry he would speak. And when in poetry, and so fluent and so high-class, so, high-class fluent Sanskrit poetry, and others would just sit and listen to him, what he says. He was very dear, sweet pandit. He wrote lots of stanzas of Guru Dev, absolutely and, and this was one of them. What happened was... this is very interesting this great pandit in his flight of, of the poet, he wrote Guru Dev's life, and he, he didn't know Guru Dev's life. Because all the time was spent in loneliness in the jungles, and, nobody would know. And he said to me, I am going to write. And I said Yes, you write, and this was our agreement that I'll get it printed, and he wrote, and I enjoyed it so much, but someday it was to come to Guru Dev for sanction. So, Guru Dev, he enjoyed hearing the whole thing. It was highly scholarly and very great, and everything that, that a good poet could put in that, he put it. And then, when it was finished Guru Dev said, It's very good, yes. And when the pandit went out of the room he asked him to take it to the Ganges, tie it down with a big stone, heavy, put it in the Ganges. And I, it was a shock to me, I said But, but there are beautiful passages in it. He said, Don't talk!' He said, Nobody should read
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
Right - also most of it is identical to the ritualistic verses in Muktananda's texts dispensed in the SYDA org...; except for the part going Brahmananda Saraswati, ... Vaj has discredited himself, exposing his true identity as a mere Snow Yak: http://www.kohngallery.com/ryden/pages/ryden.artwork6.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: Wait a minute, Vaj. The TM puja is the same as used by many Hindus. When I initiated Hindus from India they could sing it along with me - pretty much word for word. What ever else you might think of TM, this is not something MMY hobbled together at all. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:18 PM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: Vaj: ...it does not come from a real lineal tradition, it's something Mahesh made up. What exactly, are the parts by MMY that are different from those recited by GD? From what I've heard, the MMY GD puja is standard - I've heard it recited by at least three sources other than the TMO, such as at a recent Sri Sri Ravi Shankar yoga camp. Sri Sri says it's the same as the one recited by GD, the one recited at the Jyortirmath Peeth in the Himalayas. Explain how Mahesh used what was to be thrown away to hobble together the puja: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/MMY.htm Right from the very early times, MMY definitely claimed that the meditation he teaches (TM) was taught to him by Guru Dev [a fact now known to be false]. A look at page 244 of 'Thirty Years Around the World' (a TMO publication by Maharishi Vedic University, 1986) confirms this. Allegedly on 29th April 1959 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi told journalists:- 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now impart to the world.' In the TM puja there are four lines which refer directly to Guru Dev: yadvaare nikhilaa nilimpaparishatsiddhiM vidhatte.anisham shrimat shriilasitaM jagadgurupadaM natvaa.atmatR^iptiM gataaH lokaaGYaanapayoda paaTanadhuraM shriisha~NkaraM sharmadam brahmaanandasaraswatiiM guruvaraM dhyaayaami jyotirmayam which means:- 'At whose door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night. Adorned by immeasurable glory, preceptor of the whole world, having bowed down to Him, we gain fulfilment. Skilled in dispelling the cloud of ignorance of the people, the gentle emancipator, Brahmananda Saraswati, the supreme teacher, full of brilliance, on Him we meditate.' Maharishi explains who wrote these lines:- 'This was done by us, I didn't compose those lines, because I am not a Sanskrit scholar, but this was done by a, very, very eminent Sanskrit poet of Banares, and he was, such a mysterious man, the poet 1. He used to live us, just like us, and a good pandit, and when some, some pandits, learned people used to come to pay their respects to Guru Dev, and he would sit like that. And generally it is traditional, that in the presence of Shankaracharya, pandits gather. Pandits mean the learned people, highly great intellectuals of the country. They sit together, and they, try to bring home to Shankaracharya, each one of them, that he is the greater pandit than the others. And these dialogues are so highly intellectual and so very interesting, because they, everyone wants to, to win the grace of Shankaracharya, apart from his spiritual development for their material glorification, because a certificate from the Shankaracharya, of the great learning of the pandits will make him flourish in his area. So, they, very beautiful, and this pandit he used to defeat everyone, because he was a born poet, poet. He would versify anything that he wants to say. In poetry he would speak. And when in poetry, and so fluent and so high-class, so, high-class fluent Sanskrit poetry, and others would just sit and listen to him, what he says. He was very dear, sweet pandit. He wrote lots of stanzas of Guru Dev, absolutely and, and this was one of them. What happened was... this is very interesting this great pandit in his flight of, of the poet, he wrote Guru Dev's life, and he, he didn't know Guru Dev's life. Because all the time was spent in loneliness in the jungles, and, nobody would know. And he said to me, I am going to write. And I said Yes, you write, and this was our agreement that I'll get it printed, and he wrote, and I enjoyed it so much, but someday it was to come to Guru Dev for sanction. So, Guru Dev, he enjoyed hearing the whole thing. It was highly scholarly and very great, and everything that, that a good poet could put in that, he put it. And then, when it was finished Guru Dev said, It's very good, yes. And when
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lemony Snicket on Occupy Wall Street
So, what do you think the OWS leaders will do with all the money? Put it in a bank? LoL! Bhairitu: Scared little Texan, some Zen master you are... It looks like the OWS movement has its own 1% that want to dictate to the 99% how to live their lives! On Sunday, October 23, a meeting was held at 60 Wall Street. Six leaders discussed what to do with the half-million dollars that had been donated to their organization, since, in their estimation, the organization was incapable of making sound financial decisions... 'Inside the Orwellian machinations in Occupy Wall Street' Hot Air: http://tinyurl.com/c4dqydr
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rivalry for Jyotir Math
Vaj: This will, published on June 8, 1953, stated that Brahmananda had actually nominated four persons as qualified for the position, and named them in order of preference... One thing is fer sure: Swami Svarupanand's name is NOT in the will. This [new] Will was written in December 1952 and was deposited at that time. The Interim Committee obtained a copy of the Will from the Registrar's Office, in which was written a perfect elaboration and explanation of the management of the Peeth (the seat of Shankaracharya), and in the Will was also the kram (series) of uttaradhikar (those who the inheritance would revert to. Source: Extract from `Shri Shankaracharya Upadesha' pages 20-23 of the newsletter of Shankaracharya of Jyotishpeeth Published 20th July 1953 http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/TheLastInstruction.html 'Shri Shankaracharya Upadesha' newsletter was translated from Hindi to English by Premanand Paul Mason, April 2011
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rivalry for Jyotir Math
Vaj: Even the present acarya of the disputed Kanchi vidyapith, Swami Jayendra Saraswati, names Swarupananda as the proper claimant... There is not one shred of evidence that the Adi Shankara founded a fifth matha to oversee all the other four mathas. If he had done so, he would have said so, would he not? Or, one of his famous desciples would have said so, would they not? Or, at least ONE historian or archaeologist would say so, would they not? Since, the Adi Shankara did not say that he founded a fifth matha, and since none of the Adi's desciples say that the he founded a fifth matha, and since NO historian or archaeologist has ever maintained that the Adi Shankara founded a fifth matha, a reasonble person might conclude that the Adi did not found a fifth matha, would he not? And, since the Shankaracharya of Sringeri and the Shankaracharya of Dwarka both deny that the Kanchi matha is an Amnya Matha, even a bhogi such as yourself would reasonably conclude that the Adi Shankara did not found a fifth matha to oversee all the rest, would he not? And, considering that the Kanchi math seer is in jail on murder charges, a reasonable person would not even probably bring the subject up, would he? 'The Truth about the Kumbhakonam Math' by Sri R. Krishnaswamy Aiyar and Sri K. R. Venkatraman, Sri Ramakrishna Press, Madurai, 1977. 'Kanchi Kamakoti Math - a Myth' by Sri Varanasi Raj Gopal Sarma, Ganga Tunga Prakashan, Varanasi, 1987.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
On Nov 7, 2011, at 4:18 PM, maskedzebra wrote: The majority of TM initiators not only stopped teaching TM, but have probably even stopped meditating. I am almost certain of this. That's true. It was actually true before recertification was required. However, for you to propose that the Puja ceremony works on the basis of the placebo effect is so bizarre and misinformed as to be the same as saying that when you are in a car that is moving, it turns out it is really an illusion: you are actually not going anywhere. Maybe one in a hundred TM initiators (of all those that Maharishi made teachers) still do the Puja;; but even all those who have turned their back on TM and Maharishi, they, to a one, know that *the Puja works*. That is, to say, singing the Puga (especially in the context of teaching someone to meditate) alters one's consciousness, changes one's perception, and acts on every level of one's being, including the physical. Well it's important to understand the context of the comment. Early TM marketing emphasized that TM was unique, you could get a mantra anywhere, but nothing was like TM - or so they wanted us and the public to believe. A couple dozen lousy research studies attempted to bolster the idea. If you were part of the TM buzz, you felt special, part of an in crowd, and possessor of something unique, lineal and ancient-but-scientific. Neuroscientists were of course interested to see if there actually was something unique, as claimed. One after one, all the key claims were found to be false: -it was not unique, it was actually a common relaxation response. -researchers used methodology to isolate the mantra as a variable and found there was also nothing special about the mantra - the TM experience (neurologically speaking) wasn't unique at all. It could be replicated with faux-TM in naive subjects. -metabolic rate, alleged to be much deeper than deep sleep also turned out to be false (and it appeared Wallace had used vey deceptive methodology to fake the results). TM was actually no different from a nap. -etc., etc. Now I personally would never conceive of doing a Puja, because of its very power to change me in a way that I believe is inimical to sustaining the integrity of my own personality.But for you to advance the idea that the effect of singing the Puja is produced by the placebo effect, this is the final evidence of your fraudulent claim to be a TM initiator. And not only this: it proves you never learned TM, because you would not make this claim had you passed through that experience. I would actually say most of the puja could be attributed to expectation effect from indoctrination, that expectation creating a style of placebo effect. Having said that, there are subtle aspects of mantra that allude the blade of science. But again, they're highly subjective - and since TM does not aim to balance attention nor does it allow a mindful clarify of the object of meditation, it's like trying to look at the stars through a telescope and hoping to see them clearly. The object of meditation largely remains a fuzzy buzz alternating with a comfortable laya. It's very comfortable and those with previous awakening of their shakti can progress. Others tend to languish and sleep. The principle of charm it turns out, isn't charming enough. Consciousness is not discerned clearly, but one is indoctrinated that mental silence IS pure consciousness. Tell it to someone else. No, Vaj; you must stop this. Whatever TM, Maharishi, and the Puja are all about, the notion of the placebo effect is utterly inapplicable. I have the strongest resistance and aversion to the TM experience, to Maharishi, to the Puja; but I know this: were I to sing it alone right now, and go through the proper ritualistic motions (and offerings) my consciousness would undergo an objective change, and I would find myself, however subtly, in another context than the one I am in as I write this. TM and the Puja, they do, as Maharishi insisted, operate mechanically. Your attempt to portray the Puja as a placebo effect is so wrong-headed, so false to reality, and therefore such a lie, it would be as if you said that lifting weights cannot affect your muscles. Not one initiator could ever say to himself or herself: That Puja thing; it was just the placebo effect. And if anyone saying he or she was an former initiator said it worked on the basis of the placebo effect, every initiator in the world—who did not have a dishonest agenda—would know that such a person never knew Maharishi, never learned Transcendental Meiditation, and never was a Teacher of TM. The Puja was perhaps the most powerful thing about the whole TM Movement. And it truly bathed us in the purest form of Hinduism. You never got baptized, Vaj. You are an outsider. Even among those of us who have repudiated Maharishi and TM and the beneficence of their
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
As a former TM teacher who taught hundreds of people but no longer practices TM, I would say that MZ is absolutely correct here in every point he so eloquently makes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Vaj: The majority of TM initiators not only stopped teaching TM, but have probably even stopped meditating. I am almost certain of this. However, for you to propose that the Puja ceremony works on the basis of the placebo effect is so bizarre and misinformed as to be the same as saying that when you are in a car that is moving, it turns out it is really an illusion: you are actually not going anywhere. Maybe one in a hundred TM initiators (of all those that Maharishi made teachers) still do the Puja;; but even all those who have turned their back on TM and Maharishi, they, to a one, know that *the Puja works*. That is, to say, singing the Puga (especially in the context of teaching someone to meditate) alters one's consciousness, changes one's perception, and acts on every level of one's being, including the physical. Now I personally would never conceive of doing a Puja, because of its very power to change me in a way that I believe is inimical to sustaining the integrity of my own personality.But for you to advance the idea that the effect of singing the Puja is produced by the placebo effect, this is the final evidence of your fraudulent claim to be a TM initiator. And not only this: it proves you never learned TM, because you would not make this claim had you passed through that experience. No, Vaj; you must stop this. Whatever TM, Maharishi, and the Puja are all about, the notion of the placebo effect is utterly inapplicable. I have the strongest resistance and aversion to the TM experience, to Maharishi, to the Puja; but I know this: were I to sing it alone right now, and go through the proper ritualistic motions (and offerings) my consciousness would undergo an objective change, and I would find myself, however subtly, in another context than the one I am in as I write this. TM and the Puja, they do, as Maharishi insisted, operate mechanically. Your attempt to portray the Puja as a placebo effect is so wrong-headed, so false to reality, and therefore such a lie, it would be as if you said that lifting weights cannot affect your muscles. Not one initiator could ever say to himself or herself: That Puja thing; it was just the placebo effect. And if anyone saying he or she was an former initiator said it worked on the basis of the placebo effect, every initiator in the world�who did not have a dishonest agenda�would know that such a person never knew Maharishi, never learned Transcendental Meiditation, and never was a Teacher of TM. The Puja was perhaps the most powerful thing about the whole TM Movement. And it truly bathed us in the purest form of Hinduism. You never got baptized, Vaj. You are an outsider. Even among those of us who have repudiated Maharishi and TM and the beneficence of their influence upon a human being, know that the Puja is anything but something that could have its efficacy�experientially�on the basis of the placebo effect. You are deceived in this Vaj: Like saying the sensation of the fragrance of a rose is the placebo effect. Or that the effects of fasting are just imagined in the mind. No, Vaj: the Puja is the heart and soul of TM and the TM Movement. And I knew this the moment after I had performed my first Puja and motioned to my initiate to kneel as I was kneeling. The Puja as taught to us by Maharishi is flawless, it is real, and it has a potency that refutes everything you say. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:58 PM, johnt johnlasher20002000@ wrote: You never will in a TM context, but if you study some of Milton Erickson, Bandler and Grinder and other related sources you will find that each part of a TM initiation has a well studied neurolinguistic effect which in this case is very effective at producing a self transcending accessing cue which accesses an experience at a primal (original) level prior to subsequent conditioning It's called the placebo effect silly. We actually now know where the TM puja came from and what sources the puja was hobbled together from. It's from a pundits poem that Mahesh was told to throw away. There's nothing magical about it at all - unless you believe it is. But it does not come from a real lineal tradition, it's something Mahesh made up.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
On Nov 7, 2011, at 4:40 PM, John wrote: Vaj, You should do some research before making such disingenuous statements. Parts of the TM puja actually can be found in the Vishnu kavach which is stated in Srila Prabhupada's commentary to the Srimad Bhagavatam. I'm well aware that it was hobbled together from various sources already John. I actually remember Paul Mason being kind enough to write to a bunch of us and show us his research on it's origins. Of course posting it here met with an, uh, silence. Now all the sudden everyones seeming to catch up to most of it, except the part where SBS insisted it be attached to a heavy rock and hurled into the Ganges...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
On Nov 7, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Susan wrote: Wait a minute, Vaj. The TM puja is the same as used by many Hindus. When I initiated Hindus from India they could sing it along with me - pretty much word for word. What ever else you might think of TM, this is not something MMY hobbled together at all. I think you should review the evidence. The melody is traditional and occurs in numerous other rituals, as are other pieces of it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
On Nov 7, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Bhairitu wrote: It's cobbled from a number of different recitations and shuddhis including the guru puja. The tradition of masters is the only thing that is probably TM unique. There is no one standard puja. Offerings different and length according to who is performing the puja. And we now know at least part of it was done by a poet-pandit and retrieved instead of destroyed despite the insistence of his master. Such is the karma of Asuriac gurus the west is oh so familiar with. Vimalananda was right.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yo Denise!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: snip For you listening pleasure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCeebWgjrrUfeature=related Ah. Now I wish I was a guitar. (Playing in the Alhambra, yet!) Not as cool a setting, but... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mZvdGAGlOo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
On Nov 7, 2011, at 6:00 PM, feste37 wrote: As a former TM teacher who taught hundreds of people but no longer practices TM, I would say that MZ is absolutely correct here in every point he so eloquently makes. If I may ask: why on earth did you stop doing TM Feste?
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHY TM CAN'T BE LEARNED FROM A BOOK
There's a Magical quality to TM you'll never get unless you actually do it. No amount of data regarding the outer, superficial properties of TM can penetrate the outer coverings (what can be written down in a book); and get into the Absolute heart of the matter. A pissing contest enumerating academic and/or historial references is hopeless; ultimately speaking...although such discourses are sometimes interesting. http://www.fantasygallery.net/fishel/art_0_Teutopolis.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Nov 7, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Bhairitu wrote: It's cobbled from a number of different recitations and shuddhis including the guru puja. The tradition of masters is the only thing that is probably TM unique. There is no one standard puja. Offerings different and length according to who is performing the puja. And we now know at least part of it was done by a poet-pandit and retrieved instead of destroyed despite the insistence of his master. Such is the karma of Asuriac gurus the west is oh so familiar with. Vimalananda was right.
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi sandals
Looks like Mark has (had) some unexpected competition http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=Maharishi+sandals_sacat=0_odkw=Mah\ arishi_osacat=0_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=Maharishi+sandals_sacat=0_odkw=Ma\ harishi_osacat=0_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi sandals
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Occupy the Domes!!
Yup, these TM-Raja guys are maniacal. I ran in to someone today who went to update their badge sticker to join in the Super-Radiance Monday program and got denied as ineligible. It's nuts. This is someone who goes way back with TM, is retired, moved to Fairfield to be part of a large meditation, actually has the time and resources to do it and is denied a badge for going to some seminar twenty years ago. FFL? -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 7:55 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Occupy the Domes!! Up at Occupy the Domes in the Dome parking lot someone told me they will no longer go inside the dome to meditate because they visit saints. The Rajas have not changed that policy guideline so this person is not going to stop seeing the saints and hence is not going to go inside to meditate anymore. Is a long time TM-movement person. Has a valid dome badge and just stopped going. A friend of mine just got turned down for the same reason. She said to the course office guy that if they kicked out all the people who see saints, they'd have very few left. He admitted that was true, but said they have to boot the ones they know about. In other words, machine guns still firing at the movement's feet.
